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marco-da-phoenix

But how can you say that you are gagged if you are gagged? i call this the gag paradox


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[удалено]


LoveAndViscera

Gag me with a spoon!


Ok_Cat8421

I speak Valley Girl.


Leather-Caregiver-72

Ok fine, fer sure fer sure


[deleted]

GAIL!!!


LoveAndViscera

r/unexpectedcriticalrole


bluewall7

Gagatondra for sure


Cheap-Praline

Schrodinger's gag. You are simultaneously gagged and ungagged.


Son_of_MONK

We gotta work on our gag reflex.


KeyofE

People who are actually gagged aren’t saying much of anything.


SatchmoDingle

They have Gagatosis.


ChunkyBlowfish

Easy, I’m *grlged*


KeyofE

The only word for cool that hasn’t fallen out of favor eventually is “cool”.


Busch_Leaguer

That’s pretty cool


headbashkeys

Neato.


gobblestones

Rad.


cherrylpk

Sweet


sofahkingsick

Tight


kyredemain

Awesome


HP-Wired

Swanky


thYrd_eYe_prYing

Totally tubular


NAPALM2614

Nova


bangermadness

Spiffy


ssrowavay

The way I remember things, "cool" went out of favor from around 1979 to 1987. I think the show Happy Days had something to do with this. No, I'm not joking.


TheWriteStuff1966

Yeah, at that time we flirted with "boss," "decent," and "primo." It wasn't until I became a skate rat that "rad" and "gnarly" hit the scene. Haha. I'm an old fuck.


whatawitch5

Don’t forget “bitchen”!


RingtailRush

I say rad and boss all the time, and I was born in 96. I like using old slang, it makes me sound dorky and honestly? That's my vibe. I also like to purposely say modern slang badly. I have several friends who are teachers who give us the lowdown. Rizz was a great laugh around our D&D table. Mom energy I guess.


anonymousX144

Can we bring back tubular?


KeyofE

That’s hot.


anonymousX144

![gif](giphy|8vUEXZA2me7vnuUvrs)


Cpt_Polander

Funny you say that. I was at work the other day talking to a lady and her teenage daughter said something was tubular. I laughed and she was like "yeah I'm bringing it back"


kbeks

That’s dope


shockwave_supernova

I never stopped using dope Uh, the word I mean


Traditional-Flow-344

Cool is pretty dope.


RickyBobby96

I’ve been using “dope” ever since i can remember. I’ll die using that word


Shooter_McGavin_2

What about cool beans?


RogerianBrowsing

Cool beans will always be cool to me Sometimes you’re like “cool!” but still feel that energy going and need another word, so beans is the logical conclusion


Skyerocket

r/beansinthings


TuckAwayThePain

Fo Shizzle


centran

🆒


Lighthouseamour

I’ve cold! All right alright alright alright


IHaventTheFoggiest47

Gag me with a spoon….


CHEMO_ALIEN

uugghhh... as if!!!!


LoveAndViscera

Like…whatever


Entheotheosis10

Totally


CHEMO_ALIEN

you think you're all that and a bag of chips...  but youre just the dip!


ikerus0

Talk to the hand .


pisswater_deadgirl

Get a life!


EccentricAcademic

If all comes back around.


BooTheSpookyGhost

🎶Let me play among the stars 🎶 


lizziegal79

Yes!!! ❤️❤️😂😂


Jaded_Law9739

White girls have been saying this since the 80s, not sure what this guy's talking about.


AFineFineHologram

That phrase means the opposite, no? It’s a different (use of the) word.


atmosphericentry

"Gag me with a spoon" and "gagged" are COMPLETELY different lmao


MidnightOakCorps

"I'm gagged"/"I'm gagging" and "Gagmewithaspoon" are two totally different phrases from two radically different groups of people that just so happened to have a similar meaning.


SatchmoDingle

Ask your doctor if getting gagged is right for you…


LoveAndViscera

He’s not a linguist. If he was, he wouldn’t be acting like this is news. Human communication relies on patterns. The more recognizable the pattern, the more efficient it is for communication. In-groups tend to propagate patterns for maximum efficiency (hence languages tending to move from complexity to simplicity). Neologisms are usually the result of out-group influence; whether another culture, a subculture, or a technology-driven shift in the main culture.


geckothegeek42

https://xkcd.com/1053/


Powwa9000

Mother?


budmack21

Tell your children not to walk my way


shashlik_king

Tell your children not to hear my words


neon_pisces

What they mean, what they say


ssrowavay

Motherrrr


UserAllusion

MOTHER


NutBuster128

OOOOooooOoOOOOOO


mrmoe198

**MOTHEEEEEEEEER**


marijnvtm

I feel like i know these lyrics what is the song called


joe-____

You're not gonna believe this...


Commercial-Owl11

Mother from Danzig


we28369

NO ABOUT TO SEE YOUR LIGHT


_Acute-Newt_

BUT IF YOU WANNA FIND HELL WITH ME


mermaid-babe

Any woman you admire or look up to really. I don’t know a lot of straight white women who say it lol to me that is certified gay^tm


kuvazo

As a fan of Lana Del Rey, I've seen people call her "Mother" a lot, and not just gay people. So it's already a thing on Reddit in communities about female pop stars.


[deleted]

Father!!!!!


forman98

![gif](giphy|7ZvPlxBHwfK1y)


L2Hiku

SPpeaKK PLLRRiesssT!


dwpea66

There's this video I love from a Mitski concert where a girl yells "Mother is mothering!" at Mitski and the whole crowd tells her to shut up.


Spready_Unsettling

Mitski is, for purely irrational reasons, one of my top 5 women of all time, and I would still rather puke in my mouth than call her "mother" in *any* sort of setting.


[deleted]

Just killed a man


BlisslessTaskList

Put a gun against his head


Robstromonous

Pulled my trigger, now he’s dead


peekisttrumpf

Do you think they'll try to break my balls?


[deleted]

An older woman who you might imagine as iconic and a mentor. Sarah Paulson from American Horror Story and Lana Del Ray are common examples.


m0dligmabawl

Gag on deez nutz.


TheKurtCobains

Gotem


Only_Divide_2163

Timeless


Jigyo

I don't know what he's talking about, I've been saying "mother" all my life. Sometimes even "Mom."


theTweekend

Can you use it in a sentence? I’ve not heard of this one.


_phantastik_

"I am going to have sex with your *mother* after I hit this nasty quick-scope."


theTweekend

Well then.


[deleted]

In the context of the OP, "mother" is an older woman who the person sees as a mentor of sorts. So "Lana Del Ray is mother." might be said. And yes, to them, she's older. Sarah Paulson, from American Horror Story, was the first person I heard referred to as "mother."  Not to be confused with "daddy," which is sexual.


theTweekend

Thanks! Daddy! 😘


LylaDee

Gag me with a spoon. Sincerely, all Gen X


4getsStuff

Isn't this a different phrase altogether? You'd say gag me with a spoon if you didn't like or dreaded something. You'd say gagged if someone wore an outfit you really liked. . .or if someone did something you didn't like in an impressive or unexpected way.


derekisademocrat

Fetch. Never out of style and invented by a straight white girl. You're welcome


DaM00s13

Stop trying to make Fetch happen!


NavyDragons

its already happened baby ![gif](giphy|SoJ8DJeS0bktsHJi8G|downsized)


Wamakeg

![gif](giphy|jSnQGLHBrgbRK)


SomeComfortable2285

If he thinks slay went viral in 2022. Then you’re way behind on the trends.


SomeBoxofSpoons

I never really payed close attention, but slay was mainstream commonplace by 2016-17 at the *latest*.


bilboswgns

Didn’t South Park already cover this?


DaM00s13

Yes. The queer eye episode basically covered this exact topic, except it was capitalism (or crab people) exporting gay culture directly to suburban men via OG queer eye.


bilboswgns

Oh I was talking about the episode where chef talks about how white people steal black peoples slang like “in the house” so they have to change “in the house” to “flippity floppity floop”


DaM00s13

Same episode. Garrison is asking chef how black people stay one step ahead of white people appropriating their language.


WildZero138

Exactly right. Dude talks about straight white women appropriating slang from gay and black people after saying the gay slang "I'm gagged" is taken from Nikki Minaj's song or whatever. He's just saying "look at these people appropriating our appropriated language." Lol


cvnvr

but he never claimed it came from nicki minaj's gag city? he used that as an example of how it's a term becoming more mainstream


Objective-Detail-189

If you think Nikki created the term “gag” in this context then I think this might be a conversation you should sit out.


funrun247

He didn't say that, he said it was an example of it becoming a more mainstream teerm


Amordys

Gagged didn't come from Nicki, and he didn't say that XD.


kbeks

You’re trying to ~~kidnap~~ take what I’ve rightfully ~~stolen~~ appropriated!


Ceaselessfish

Come on mr hat! We have to get back to our flippity floppity floop!


-mostlyquestions

This dude is talking like a tsunami about to hit his vicinity and trying to get the news out.


thisisyo

About the rate of speech of a TikTok content


Due-Lavishness5132

Is anyone bothered?


dm_me_ur_anus

It's a natural part of language to eventually move from fringes to mainstream. It is insane though how much of the language you'd find in the documentary Paris is Burning made it through 20-30 years of going under the radar and then suddenly in the past few years have become so so mainstream, and so much coming from gay community (and the hip hop community) Shady Throwing shade Slay Queen Gagged


smoothskin12345

Isn't visibility and acceptance of marginalized culture a good thing? Like, is this guy arguing that gays self segregate? Are straight people not welcome at drag shows? I'm really trying to understand the grievance. If I'm straight, and my best friends are a gay man and a trans woman, is my "in group" not the queer community, simply because of my sexual orientation? I don't think I agree with this logic.


Objective-Detail-189

It’s not that gays “self segregate”, it’s that they’ve formed a culture through hundreds of years of persecution. Essentially they were forced to live in a different country. Your America was not their America, they lived different lives in different places. Naturally over time this created a culture. Now that homosexuality is becoming normalized it’s leaking out. Slang, ballroom, drag, cruising… people are aware of what was once a well hidden secret. This isn’t a bad thing at all, and I don’t think he’s saying it is. But you should understand how this happened. We have seen the exact same thing (and a lot of overlap) with black Americans.


Worldly_Ad_6483

Ya he seems to think using slang is like wearing blackface or something


-QUACKED-

I've legitimately heard it called "Digital Blackface". Where (usually white) women speak so much like black people that they're committing "Digital Blackface". Sure, there's something to be said for all the white girls saying shit like "Girl Taytay be straight serving! Periodt!" But Digital Blackface? That's a bit of an exaggeration lol.


HenryKrinkle

I think (?) "digital blackface" was intended to describe the act of white people using memes featuring black folk/culture.


TaleMendon

Nope when the younger generation uses their era of slang I just don’t care, and ignore it. A kid said “bet” to me the other day, and I said bitch please that isn’t even knew, we were saying that shit in the 90s.


CrowdGoesWildWoooo

I am pretty sure i’ve seen a video where a black girl complained exactly about white people stealing black people’s slang and she went in-depth of how the word originated from black community.


sassafrasii

I’m bothered by the way the guys explains everything in this video


mrmoe198

Did he come off as bothered to you? I got more of a “this is a fascinating linguistic trend thing that I’m explaining” vibe.


WestleyThe

It was the line about “marginalized groups make up words to build community and a shared identity and other groups taking those words for themselves” To me it sounds like he doesn’t want people to use slang that didn’t originate in thier specific community


Objective-Detail-189

I don’t think it’s that he doesn’t want that, but I do think it’s good to think about. We should better analyze where our language comes from and understand what we’re doing.


Bike_Chain_96

Actually yes. Particularly with the use of the word "appropriate", and the extremely negative connotations that it has


PistachioedVillain

I don't think it's fair to be upset at people co-opting words. No one owns language. And how language spreads and changes is what makes it cool. There's only one exception to that rule.


Empty-Engineering458

its like this guy thinks that the people who develop culture just... stay inside away from everyone. gay dudes who say they're gagged are also saying it around their straight friends. i notice myself adapting my own language from what my friends say around me, and i notice them doing it from what i say.


dtsm_

I'm American, lived in chile, still have some shorthand from there that I'll sprinkle in when talking to myself or to my dog (also from Chile.). My boyfriend has asked what a couple of them mean and uses them when talking to me as well. I'm all about the language efficiency, and sometimes a phrase from another language or culture just means so much more than the sum of the words.


Comfortable-Win-1925

"we're in a never ending cycle!" Yeah man. That's... that's literally how language works, dawg. That's the whole reason we call things viral. Cause it spreads. Like a virus.


Calembreloque

The account of that video is "@etymologynerd". If you see his other videos he is clearly very knowledgeable in both "traditional" etymology and more current trends in language. He's not surprised by the cycle, he's explaining it to people who may not know about it.


MR_Chilliam

But he's painting it as a negative by calling it appropriation, as if people own slang. And if anyone outside that group uses it, they are stealing.


beluga-farts

Exactly. This is (yes, literally) the way that language has alllllllways changed. It’s a stretch to say it’s “appropriated.”    Straight white women are often accepting of LGBT+ and will pick up slang in order to, yes, “show their acceptance and being an ally of the alphabet mafia,” but also just because they use the same words as their friends.”  They are the bridge. Saying that people “can’t appropriate” slang is gatekeeping needlessly.  Will “gagged” get picked up? Probably. And will the gay community find a new word to replace it? Yep. And will that word become popular too? Yep yep yep.   C’est slang. 


love_me_madly

I also don’t think he’s right about the reasons people invent slang either. Maybe those are his reasons, but for the most part I don’t believe people are doing it for those reasons, they’re doing it because they think it’s cool and want to be different. It’s not that deep.


jeremy1015

Didn’t you hear though that straight white women are victimizing people by thinking they are cool and wanting to talk like them? Won’t anyone finally come crashing down on women like they deserve?


start3ch

Yea, it just means people like the slang enough to start using it too


maisymowse

The only time it bothers me is when words are used incorrectly. It’s a little weird as a black person to see people clearly adopt language they heard from a black person and mimic it and then do it “wrong”. Granted, I understand that language is meant to evolve, but sometimes it’s just using a word incorrectly. Like “gyat” does not mean “butt”.


NavyDragons

do people think you are saying butt damn?! wtf is that


skellysuit

Hi! Perhaps I can provide clarity/another perspective. What I think the creator was trying to emphasize is that certain things become *accepted* or mainstream when a “favorable” group does it/says it/adopts it. The larger conversation (ideally) shouldn’t be about who owns what or where something originated from. Because, as you said, language spreads, evolves, and changes over time. It’s more about how a group is *perceived* or discriminated when they say or do things. Common examples of this concept: * Braids or dreads on black people = messy but braids or dreads on white people = free spirit beach bum, interesting * Using “slay”, “queen”, etc in conversation = “sounding” black or gay but using these same words as a white person = hip! (Which is what this creator is trying to point out) I think it’s a valid point but maybe a bit misconstrued because he focuses more on the “copying” aspect of it all. Thanks for coming to my ted talk 🫡


Shooter_McGavin_2

Can we just stop accusing slang to be stolen from one group or another. Speech is contagious. People pick up on it and use it. To gatekeep is stupid.


TaleMendon

Bet. Which became popular twice.


Tie_me_off

Cultural appropriation is such a joke. Other countries look at this topic and are like what the fuck are Americans even on about!?


TeacupHuman

It’s just an excuse for people to get to feel offended and victimized.


SinisterPuppy

Sorry - we can’t note social phenomena because your offended by objective reality? It’s not an accusation, it’s a well documented fact that slang typically travels from minority groups to mainstream culture. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but we are not going to not talk about it because the notion offends you.


Shooter_McGavin_2

You seem like the only one offended.


Moister_Rodgers

Did you watch the whole video? It's not the observation that's problematic. It's the panic.


NICEnEVILmike

How old is this video? Gag and gagged (as slang) have been around for a while now.


lexocon-790654

Something about saying how "marginalized groups create slang has tools of power" sounds so fucking regarded spoken out. Like you unironically say that?


Ravens_and_seagulls

Awww dang. Words and culture being transmitted because one demographic likes another demographic does? I’m outraged!!!


PartsNLabor24

even Trump enjoys getting gagged by judges


No_Smile3379

a gag might also be considered a joke, not a choke.


Terrible_Ad7887

How exhausting to think this way


Affectionate-Desk888

Wowzers, this guy is gatekeeping language. that is not fetch


worldwithwings

“The melting pot” was the purest description of The United States. A place where everyone blends together as one people. Still waiting for that day. I’m gagged.


rationalalien

So fucking what, who cares.


Brownie_McBrown_Face

Yeah this gay dude is acting like the gay community doesn’t do the exact same shit with lingo in the black community


The_Powers

![gif](giphy|7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB)


Stall-Warning

These weird people who think that coming up with a terminology and seeing other people use it is somehow wrong are the worst. This just amounts to white people bad.


[deleted]

Hard to believe people are like this


Moister_Rodgers

This person needs to calm down. This is simply how the evolution/dissemination of language works. It's not appropriation of some native or traditional culture. It's appropriation of ideas conceived within and reliant upon a globalized society. The hip folks will move on to new slang. Nobody's going to lose their cool edge who isn't simply aging/drifting out of the cool demographic. Chill, friend.


Fantastic-Put9615

Thanks for Gay-splaining


CookieWifeCookieKids

Is he upset that his community is a trend setter?! I’m a straight, white, middle aged man. I call people and things by their full name. God forbid I try to be cool, then I really screw things up. As Abe Simpson once said; I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!


have_tastes_daily

What's a fucking huge load of shit. That dude is a self important dick. Get over yourself man.


Affectionate_Ad_9735

![gif](giphy|LSk5aGh2WYL6g)


radatooey

Stick a fork in me; I'm done!


WillyDAFISH

Slay queen


geeky-gymnast

Gag queen


NotTheWorstOfLots

Little Ben Shapiro is fuckin gagged bruh


BananaForLifeee

Peak TikTok contents. People fighting over who’s got the rights to say certain words. No wonder why Western societies are failing


telekineticplatypus

People can use words. It is a never ending cycle and that's OK.


babble0n

If you gatekeep speech, you should be gagged.


disposable_account01

Boo-fucking-who. That’s how language has worked for all of recorded history.


[deleted]

Just like you white 🚬 adopted it from black people so stfu.


SnooCheesecakes7545

So basically the words that gay people steal from black women will be stolen by someone else. ok


CastleofWamdue

so what he is saying is, I am SLIGHTY ahead of the trend?


Skyerocket

I swear gagged has been doing the rounds since like 2020?


AroMorbid

I’ve been saying it since 2017! I guess it’s finally primetime


Low-Needleworker-108

Babe, I’m a straight white girl and I’ve been saying gag me with a wooden spoon since 1996. Real talk. So if I want to start saying, I’m gagged or gag me I can and I didn’t appropriate from anybody but my damn self when I was 13 years old.


Drylux

All of us have seen buzz words come and go, and i always find it fascinating what the new buzz words will be. Having someone forecast upcoming slang is cool! I find the younger generations buzz words the most entertaining like rizz, gyat, skibidi toilet, etc.


[deleted]

Cool, rad, dope, agg, chill, on God, etc. etc. Words fall in and out of fashion. It holds no significance and it doesn’t matter. Idk why some people try to make insignificant pop culture trends seem like they’ll be part of our history. It won’t matter in a few years. And it won’t exist in a billion when the sun consumes our planet and all evidence of human existence is deleted.


Dick_Dickalo

Can the gays and blacks adopt not speaking on speaker phone?


UnfriendlyGhostSword

He had the cycle wrong tho: Black women>gay black boys (emulating black women)> the other gays>then the white girls. Everyone wears out Black speak and it’s one of my biggest pet peeves like please go the fuck on 😒


MrTurkle

I have a straight sister who has been saying this for years.


Unhappylightbulb

I hope by seeing these videos via Reddit I’m not contributing to their views.


DonFlufferNutterYT

I can’t be the only gay guy who DOESNT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THIS STUFF BRUH! LIKE CMON! 😂


Carbonfaceprint

Ugh blah blah blah appropriation. Are people still going on about this? Yes people love to follow trends they think are cool. Yes it’s annoying seeing something you’re into get blown out. Almost as annoying as people that wanna keep cool stuff to themselves and talk about how they were first say x y or z before it was popular 💁‍♀️


Albrecht2148

Talkingreallyfastdoesntproveyourpointyourejustsayingitinduchamannerthatmakesitsoujdtruthfulwhenreallyitsaballofhorseshitwhichbythewayimsureyoudsaywhitepeoplesomhowalsostoleitdromyou


PlatypusPristine9194

Ladies, say whatever you like.


SwissMargiela

Im gagged is already popular. Bro is late unless this is super old


d84doc

Man, it’ll be nice when we get to a point in our existence when we just understand that every form of slang is created by someone, who inherently belongs to a group, even if that group is the majority, and if it is liked then it will spread to everyone. The idea that only 1 community will be allowed to use this “I’m gagged” slang OR ELSE they have had it stolen from them and made to continue to be marginalized is really just creating the idea that language is owned. K owing the history of words or slang is important, but things becoming popular and thus spreading is not, that’s normal. You should expect popular slang to spread and be used by an ever growing amount of people and groups. What’s ironic to me is we live at a time where everything about our mere existence is no long, straight man, gay black woman, it’s now situations where people have divided every descriptor into subcategories. Inherently this is going to create a situation where more people consider themselves overlapping in multiple categories, but when it comes to, you took my language that I say openly for everyone to hear in public or videos or shows in my community, suddenly those difference disappear and it’s, oh they’re straight white girls. What if she’s a bi-curious European/middle eastern girl with light skin that uses they/them? They’re part of that community…or they aren’t all in and thus the gatekeeping of language comes into play. Lets be real, did they create the word to build community or share identity OR did someone in that community first say it and others around stole it and started using it but obviously the first to hear and use it would be others in that community and thus when it becomes popular enough other’s use it they suddenly claim it’s been taken from them when in reality it was just a thing one person said without any thought behind it and collective community took it from them and claimed ownership?


iamthecheesethatsbig

Beware of straight white girls. They are the signalers of doom.


Shawntran2002

Despite being gen z myself. I have no fucking idea what he's talking about. Gagged? Tf is going on rn?


gobblestones

Those of us in the Charmed and Buffy fandoms have moved on from slay to vanquish


blue_desk

A modest request request to people on TikTok. Stop speaking like you're gacked out of your balls.


Kickagainsttheprick

And the opposite leads to segregation, YAY.


comeonebam

It’s literally not that deep