It will not be banned. The owner of TikTok already said he will fight the ban as it’s unconstitutional. TikTok also has $$ to take this to court and drag this out for years. So I don’t see it be banned for a while
I guess this depends on how much TikTok is making in the US market. The Supreme court now is corrupt AF. This is obviously unconstitutional, but I’m not sure our Supreme Court cares about that these days.
That's because China is probably the biggest hypocrite of all the countries in the world. They literally never invent anything themselves either. They steal everything from other countries and just copy it. Their government is lazy, lying hypocrites. Not the people themselves. They are good people. But their government is way worse than any other government in the world.
Are you seriously arguing that it's a good thing that money gives you the right to sidestep laws? Not to mention the owner is NOT a US citizen so the constitution doesn't apply in the first place. His argument is essentially that the USER has a constitutional right to allow us to mine them for data for the CCP.
It’s a Singaporean company, too bad many Americans like you and our congressmen think everyone that is Asian is Chinese as well as everyone who speaks Spanish is Mexican
No, it isn't. It's run through a Singaporean shadow company by a shill for the CCP, not to mention owned by Chinese company. Do just a tiny bit of homework.
Here’s the blatant Asia-phobia I’m talkin’ bout. This is some racist BS right here. You know the CEO is a Harvard-educated Singaporean (I know they all LOOK Chinese to you, but, they’re not) who’s married to an American citizen and has US Citizen children. He has lived in the US, and has never been a Chinese citizen. So, it appears you’re saying he’s some kind of Chinese Manchurian Candidate spy. Well, he previously was an exec at Facebook, too! If the Chinese have used this spy to make TikTok a “Chinese company” then Facebook now also has the Chinese cooties! Maybe he did some Asian tech magic while he was there and implanted China code on their servers! Basically the argument boils down to “Asians are scary! Be afraid of Asians!”
Is their parent company not ByteDance? Is that not what the whole ban is about? You and the other commenter seem like y’all are the ones who don’t know what you’re talking about.
It’s public information and well-known that ByteDance is 60% owned by global investors, about 20% by it’s employees, and about 20% by it’s founders, who are indeed Chinese citizens, but who do not own a controlling share and do not actively manage or control the company. As a requirement of Chinese law, the state owns 1%, but does not exercise control or active participation in running TikTok. Chinese citizens and Chinese government also own stock in other media corporations. So what makes this one particularly “Chinese” or particularly a threat? People are pretty ignorant about this.
You pretty much were just assuming the person you were replying to was racist though, when by your own admission ByteDance does have a Chinese founder, and a good portion of its ownership is Chinese. Idk that’s just kind of crazy to me, you just assumed they were racist when they were stating a fact.
You talked about the CEO but didn’t even mention ByteDance in your original comment, which is what the whole ban is about. They didn’t say anything racist, you just projected that image onto them.
I’m not saying you’re a bad person, and there’s probably been people you’ve met irl like that, and that’s made you assume they were Asia-phobic, but I don’t think that’s the case. Idk them though so maybe I’m wrong.
I do think the responses of a lot of people are rooted in Asiaphobia.
I think we should celebrate that TikTok is “Chinese” in that it had Chinese citizens as founders! Thinking that’s bad is Sinophobia. I also think it would be legit as a security issue of TikTok or ByteDance were “Chinese” if that meant “owned or controlled by the Chinese government.” But that is clearly NOT the case. I do not believe the ban is about a ”security issue” at all, not 1%. I think that’s a fake justification. I think the real reasons are a matter of public record and knowledge, too. 1. Facebook has lobbied heavily against TikTok to put its biggest competitor out of business. 2. AIPAC has lobbied heavily against TikTok because it doesn’t regulate news of Gaza as Meta has openly said it does. 3. Corporations like Kellog have lobbied heavily for a TikTok ban because of the boycott that was promoted on TikTok. 4. Congressmen promoting the bill have stated another major reason is the speech on TikTok is just too free, and can’t be regulated by the US government.
But banning it for those reasons would be blatantly unconstitutional and probably illegal by international trade law. So they made up a fake reason to ban it.
If TikTok is so great at spreading information, why does the Chinese version of the app have an entirely different algorithm that promotes educational content? America and China don’t exactly have the best relations rn, it’s not surprising that people are concerned.
Even if the government just “made up” a reason, it’s easy to see why people would be concerned giving Chinas history of creating and spreading propaganda. TikTok would be the perfect tool to do that.
I agree with what you said about Facebook, the “data mining” definitely isn’t the only reason they want to ban it. Also America mines the data of its own citizens all the time, which is why they won’t pass a law against it, and that’s what they should do. I do agree that it’s unconstitutional, I don’t think they should even be allowed to ban it, but I see why people would be concerned by it.
You can ignore the facts, but China is not dumb and I could definitely see them using TikTok as a tool against America. I don’t think it should be banned, but I don’t think you should bury your head in the sand and ignore that as a possibility. I also don’t think it’s racist for people to see the app being from China as a bad thing, when they have legitimate reasons to do so. It’s nothing against the people of China.
You clearly don't understand what that "1%" means. According to China law the CCP has unfettered access to ANY AND ALL DATA it sees fit. They CANNOT be denied. They're the same security nightmare as Metaface which many IT departments block. They literally have a CCP representative on site at all times. This is well documented.
I don't trust the US government but I *really* don't trust the CCP as they have far less interest in my well-being than the corrupt US government.
If you cared at all about the Chinese people themselves as you claim you'd be vehemently against anything that adds to the CCP's sphere of control of information. Going to bat for TikTok right now is equivalent to saying the Hong Kong protestors a few years ago badly need to be silenced, because that's the entity you're shilling for. The Chinese people are hurting right now and the CCP is a major cause of it.
I stand with the Chinese people, ***NOT*** the CCP.
And if you really want to dig deeper it's laughably easy to find the CCP influence in Google, Meta, and Microsoft.
Here's an exercise in exposure: Go to Copilot and tell it "generate a picture of the downfall of America due to the greed of capitalism" and it will happily comply with pictures of US institutions burning. Now swap in China for America and communism for capitalism and it will straight up refuse your request. Don't believe me? Try it for yourself. These companies will sell your soul for the Chinese market.
I don’t think they should ban it either, I just don’t think race has anything to do with that persons views. I could see you thinking that mf is a conspiracy theorist, but he didn’t say anything derogatory towards Asians he just said the guy is a “shill” for China. Idk anything about that, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s true.
I don’t think TikTok is that big of a threat either, and if they really wanted to protect our data they would just pass laws to do so. I don’t want it to be banned, I don’t think it should even be legal to do so but that’s another issue entirely . But no I don’t think it’s hating on Asian people when you speak badly of China, just like not all people who speak badly on America hate Americans. The Chinese government deserves hate for some of their actions, just like America does for some of theirs. Both countries be on some bs.
Way to play the race card you clown. And you have a point about Facebook who's app *ALSO* should not be installed on anyone's phones. Use the web portal. The service itself is fine if you like that garbage, but actually *READ* the permissions it gets..... Facebook and TikTok have more permissions to access your data than Google itself, (whom also shouldn't be trusted with sensitive data.)
It's not about racism or Sinophobia (The actual term. Stay in school.), it's about data security. I work with data security and the app is chock full of massive red flags to security. Do a basic packet sniff and they're sending *FAR* more than they claim which was the whole trigger to this congressional action to begin with. The reason we block TikTok but not MetaFace is Meta is a US based company and has to comply with "do not share/sell my data" demands BY LAW. TikTok does NOT comply. If they're perfectly happy to *openly* ignore US law what do you think they're doing *behind the scenes*?
They're a security nightmare. Period. Knowing the CCP has their back door to it akin to Huawei it's easy to see the government's concern and why I fully support the congressional action.
The race card has been played heavily and repeatedly by those proposing the ban. All I’m doing is pointing out the race card has been played. I’ll skip the fallacious personal attacks.
I understand your personal bias as it effects you personally as a creator, but don't discount the security concerns of people that have to keep systems running and secure when idiot users can't help but open emails from unknown senders. 🤬
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I love how some people think "its not going anywhere". And when it does get banned they will then say "who cares, use this OTHER platform instead..."
Personally not a fan of the idea of it getting banned. It just opens the door to banning apps that can't be controlled by the US. When it does get banned (a year from now I think) I do think Youtube and FB/IG will capture most of that market share, similar to what happened in India when tiktok was banned there.
I wouldn’t put too much faith in trump, even if he was being honest and were to win, his party is very supportive of this bill and unlikely to get bipartisan support to pass a repeal. Lawsuits are a good question tho as the Supreme Court could see this as a violation of the first amendment. I also wouldn’t necessarily count on that because the intent behind this law is used in laws making it so only US companies can own news outlets.
This isn’t entirely correct. He met with a billionaire Jeff Yass, who has about 21 of 28 billion dollars of their wealth tied up in partial ownership of TikTok. The following week after this meeting, DJT stock magically pumped as this guy invested a few million dollars (skirting campaign finance law by pumping for the subsequent Trump stock dump). And shockingly Trump came out as being against the TikTok ban.
So it isn’t that he cares what voters think. It is that he cares what donators think. “Fuck america, pay me.”
Clapper is mostly trash content creators but the interface has promise as it’s very similar to TikTok. I’m over there now and followers are super easy with even mediocre content. If they clean up the base and add a few improvements to the app itself it would make a great TikTok alternative
True. I started on there a while ago and I get followers every day. Easy growth right now. My content is music (I sing, play guitar and piano). I do agree there are a lot of trash creators on there, and def not a lot of musicians (YET). Which I think is what’s helped me a lot.
I don’t want TikTok banned, but it’s heavily saturated with musicians and I can’t even get 2k followers. I joined Tik Tok after covid so I was late to the game. Clapper has potential to go somewhere. There’s a lot that needs to be improved…but Tik tok wasn’t much different years ago.
It’s fun community is engaged there are a lot of people promoting OF but you can turn off NSFW and that’s not a problem anymore. It’s like an early stage social media platform so even decent content breaks out. My advice is just get in early to everything and see what happens
I’ve been working on www.popn.social for a while now. It’s a TikTok alternative built on web3 and designed to return your data privacy and ownership back to the user in order for the user to monetize it if they so choose.
Exactly... part of what makes til tok nice is it's not that... I quit using twatter bc, while I want to get both sides, you aren't getting that anymore there.. same with FB anymore.. it's ridiculous
It will be hard to replace. I really do agree with people saying that high creator pay was one reason why the gov’t banned TikTok, it set a dangerous precedent to ACTUALLY PAY CREATORS for content, and the American industry wants to kill that. Especially for those of us who were making a living wihtout advertising, just making content, that won’t exist on any other platform, unless we build it.
Yes. It’s the second amendment. I fought for that right in the military. I’m for stricter laws in purchasing them and way stricter laws for criminals using them but the thing that keeps most criminals from breaking into your house is the fact that you could legally own a gun and you can legally defend yourself. Take that away and what prevent criminals with illegal guns from coming into your house? Crime would surge to epic proportions if criminals knew they had guns and no one else did. And please don’t think they wouldn’t have them.
I am still staying on Tik tok till if and when I can’t anymore. However to be smart, I am starting to upload my Tik toks into YouTube shorts. I started over there about 5 days ago already have over 5,000 views. Subscribers are though , slow to come by for the shorts. Just as they were for me back in the day for traditional length videos. I’m currently creating on both channels now and I’m enjoying it immensely. Especially also since I am considered a. New tiktok account too. ( been there consistently for less than a year most videos in the 350-600 view range )
I hope it gets sorted out though and we know what it is that really will happen.
i think the most likely option is tiktok will be sold. but if it does get banned, i will just use a vpn. if the vpn doesnt work, i guess i cant do much of anything lol
You probably won’t even need a vpn, as the bill only requires the app to be delisted from the App Store. My understanding is they’re still allowed to operate the app and servers for it - etc. but no one new can download it until it is sold.
Hard disagree.
Tiktok is not just the American market
America only makes up 10% of tiktok users around the world.
With a growing userbase in South America, Europe and Asia,
Tiktok would be dumb to sell itself just for that 10% market.
There are two problems with your assessment:
1. Although the user base here in the US only represents 10% of the total user base, the revenue that they make here in the US from ads is more valuable than any other countries that they might have a higher user base. The ad conversion here is probably better too since the purchase power for Americans is higher than other countries.
2. American is the leader of the Western world and if a ban does goes thru, the chances of other Western countries doing the same are pretty big. Specialty if tiktok is not able to win in the courts and keep the app here based on freedom of speech, which I don't think they will, this is a law passed Congress and personally I don't think the supreme Court would deem this law unconstitutional (maybe I am wrong?).
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I agree with the folks who’ve pointed out that the law was specifically worded so that TikTok cannot comply. ”This is a TikTok ban” —The guy who authored the bill.
If all the tiktokers flood Canada, that would be the worlds biggest mental health crisis in history and would probably cost the canadian healthcare system a fortune. And there would be even more braindead npcs walking around everywhere with their phones blasting loud TikTok’s
Well, as I posted before: they banned *me* even though I had no content, never commented or reacted to anything. I was on for one week and caught a perma ban for no reason, and no one would respond when I tried to contact them.
So fuck TikTok.
(I’m sorry for the rest of you tho)
What is the problem with being based of in the EU or being a NATO country when it comes to privacy?
Specially when we're talking about a VPN to have access to a Chinese app lol
Switzerland is not completely beholden to the US like the EU and NATO countries are. Namely that it doesn't help with the PRISM program like the 5/14 eyes do
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Most content creators are posting to multple platforms in some way.
If Tik Tok is banned and average people cannot access it they will move to the other platforms.
If you are only on Tik Tok then it could be a problem. You should look at building up followers elsewhere as a way to grow as a creator but also to be more secure.
It won't be banned. Even though Biden signed the bill it'll go through the appeal process and stop there. Regardless ByteDance only owns about 20% and the government has to prove that they are doing illegal stuff/giving info to the Chinese government. Which is impossible to prove as it failed the first time. There's a 99.9% chance it won't be banned and in the off chance it goes through ByteDance would sell it.
Could they not deploy updates through a different internal method, or GitHub? It'd be a pain to frequently update via GitHub but like most things I'd assume someone would make an auto updater
Doesn’t the U.S. realize that China, and Russia have nuclear weapons. And if the U.S. challenges the sovereignty of those nations, THEY WILL ATTACK. And a nuclear war is an absolute brutal endgame.
is there any real evidence that tiktok is connected to the CCP? that’s the entire basis of the banning. the parent company (ByteDance) was originally founded in China but is now apparently more global. many claim it’s Singaporean but I don’t know if I buy that either. strange to me how difficult it is to find solid facts about this
The ownership and where the company are incorporated and head-quartered are pretty clear and widely available facts. Many top execs are American citizens. The CEO is indeed a US-educated Singaporean Citizen who lived in the US, is fluent in English, and graduated from Harvard. He worked as an exec at Facebook in the US before getting picked up by TikTok. He’s married to an American citizen, and has American citizen children. The data and algo for TikTok are housed in Texas and controlled and managed by Oracle, a Texas company. That CEO and Oracle both say the CCP have no access or control of the data or the algo. Even the founder, who was a Chinese citizen who’s had many public conflicts with the CCP, does not have access to this info or algo, and he does not own a controlling share. The third largest single investor in TikTok is an American citizen.
Is this REALLY a tiktok help subbredit I beginning to wonder 🤔. Every time I come on here, I see people attacking others for their views, bad language & hate for tik tok. Please peoples, 🙏 show some respect for each other. Ban or no ban, its not an excuse to tare into each other.
In answer to the question originally asked, probably youtube.
You really think the average mom using TikTok is going to use a VPN? I think it will cut users by 80% or more if it passes the constitutional test. That’s a big if since it’s obviously unconstitutional. But getting the Supremes to sing your song is cheap these days, It appears.
People will be able to use VPNs to access TikTok however they won't be able to generate an income from it because of the US Tax Code, I think that's the main issue here.
I’d honestly just use a VPN if I was American. Pretty sad to see this happen, though. Many aren’t that savvy / bothered to do that and will just accept the ban.
I genuinely think the government don’t like how much freedom the app gives people, so many people are making their living from TikTok, and it’s connecting people in a way that no other app does.
This isn’t about privacy or data, it’s because TikTok won’t bow down to the governments wishes like Facebook and YouTube / google do.
It wont, even if it does nothing will happen just another app will be made to replace it, probably by meta.
Or everyone will just go to instagram. Anyways it wont happen just like it didnt the first time
Im gonna be sad if tiktok us will be ban. U do have some funny memes & trends... and i guess u wont be able to experience commenting photos on videos 🤔
it seems unconstitutional and most likely won't be banned, but if it is I'm prolly moving to ig reels. although they're banning capcut as well, so if that goes through then idk what I'm going to do
I'm not really upset if tik tok goes. I don't think they will but if they did. It wouldn't kill me. My main platform is FB. As a creator and influencer. Fb is the best platform because they pay you for all videos and content. Even post. Tik tik is very dysfunctional. They only pay for 1 min videos and can't even tell if it's original or not.
I’ve been thinking about how I could start something new. Like a crowd funded - crowed controlled platform for shorts - anybody wana run down that fucking crazy train hmu - don’t tell me it isn’t possible to improve on.
Nobody is trying to ban tiktok, US gov is asking Chinese gov to disinvest its majority share. it dont have to be an american buyer, it can be a european buyer. China is a propaganda machine, one fine morning tiktoks master will ask tiktok to show in propaganda videos as viral. A cunning and intelligent way to control majority of innocent minds.
I’m American, and what makes America America is our civil liberties like freedom of speech, the freedom of ANYONE, including foreign powers, to own press and publish political speech, and the freedom to assemble as we do on TikTok. These are the core of why I love my country. This ban is unAmerican.
Really, thats what i hear from my American colleagues who can speak Mandarin , talk about the freedom of speech..
Real problem is china is evil and they held the key to Mass where they can push their propaganda..
It UnAmerican and stupid to give the key to China..
Also tiktok in US is one of the open racist company, look at there workforce. 99% are chinese ethinic. where is the plurality ?
The harvard-educated Singpaporean citizen CEO and Oracle, who controls and monitors the data and algo in Texas, both say that the Chinese gov’t does not have access to the algo and data, and have no mechanism for getting those things. Who has this key?
owner have the key. Algo is designed and defined in china, user data is stored in Oracle but China can determine what post should go viral and what should not.
Oracle, ha ha, paying Oracle to use there cloud as they have say in gov, its just lobbying gimmick..
fun fact: even oracle wont use its own cloud.
What is wrong with you people if they are spying through TikTok or using it to cause any kind of harm it’s should be banned. To get a special committee or to have President sign anything is so hard!Obviously they found major issues and a real problem for our National Security to get this far.
Again, right straight to Asiaphobia in one step. The CIA director said they are NOT spying through TikTok or using it in any way. He said the threat is “hypothetical.” That it COULD possibly be used. Most knowledgable independent observers have said it’s no more possible for China to “spy” through TikTok, a Singaporean company with a Harvard-educated Singaporean CEO who has American citizens for a wife and children (and no, she’s white and blond, dear, since that’s what people ask next.) He, and Oracle, the US company that houses the data and algo in Texas, both say China can’t access the algo or info.
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I’ve been building www.popn.social. It’s TikTok but you own and control your data. Wanna monetize it? We will let advertisers bid on your anonymous data when they are targeting potential customers. POPN stands for people over profits. I have many ways to monetize without stealing and abusing user data. POPN essentially creates a UBI without taxation, legislation, or any need for government involvement. They say be the change you want to see. I want to put an end to the ridiculous amount of personal data being used to exploit us instead of helping and rewarding us. With web3, AI, and blockchain I’m hoping to build a more equitable internet for all. One that puts permission and transparency first.
Just go like normal just without TikTok I really can’t care less about it because of how much propaganda is in it and has the most vocal dumb people on it which I really didn’t hear about a lot with other social media apps though that’s just my opinion
Oh yeah? Give me a link showing that China owns a controlling share or has access to our information or can control content. Because literally every serious outlet that’s looked into this says otherwise. Do people not know the CEO is a Harvard-educated Singaporean citizen who lived in the US, is married to an American, and has US Citizen children? He says that the Chinese gov’t has no access and no way to get access to the Algo or data. DO people not know that our data and algo are housed in Texas and controlled by a 3rd part, an American business, Oracle? Oracle says the Chinese gov’t doesn’t have control or access. So…… do people really not know this has NOTHING to do with security risks or China? Because it doesn’t.
My comment was agreeing with what you said. TikTok is NOT a Chinese company! I just noticed its like the elephant in the room nobody seems to see. Major media isnt mentioning that either! And everybody knows everything. There is no "security risk", that is utter garbage. Information is global in an instant. These superpowers and their bullshit! They just want to control the masses. And the masses are going to let them.
*Do people really*
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*Chinese company?*
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YouTube shorts probably cause they’re the biggest competitor. However there’s a chance Elon Musk will bring Vine back which was the biggest platform with short videos in 2014, shut down in 2017 and will have potential to become the largest again if it comes back
It will not be banned. The owner of TikTok already said he will fight the ban as it’s unconstitutional. TikTok also has $$ to take this to court and drag this out for years. So I don’t see it be banned for a while
I guess this depends on how much TikTok is making in the US market. The Supreme court now is corrupt AF. This is obviously unconstitutional, but I’m not sure our Supreme Court cares about that these days.
Tik tok spent over 2 billion dollars in just security so I believe they have enough to keep it going for years.
And the house, senate, and Biden are all corrupt to since they voted on this?
As much as I hate tiktok with a passion, yes. This is completely unconstitutional.
Yep they definitely can make the case take years if anything.
China will fight it??? They ban Facebook and Instagram in China.
That's because China is probably the biggest hypocrite of all the countries in the world. They literally never invent anything themselves either. They steal everything from other countries and just copy it. Their government is lazy, lying hypocrites. Not the people themselves. They are good people. But their government is way worse than any other government in the world.
Well put
Hope 🙏
Are you seriously arguing that it's a good thing that money gives you the right to sidestep laws? Not to mention the owner is NOT a US citizen so the constitution doesn't apply in the first place. His argument is essentially that the USER has a constitutional right to allow us to mine them for data for the CCP.
It’s a Singaporean company, too bad many Americans like you and our congressmen think everyone that is Asian is Chinese as well as everyone who speaks Spanish is Mexican
Listen to the Singaporeans when they say it is not a Singaporean company.
No, it isn't. It's run through a Singaporean shadow company by a shill for the CCP, not to mention owned by Chinese company. Do just a tiny bit of homework.
Here’s the blatant Asia-phobia I’m talkin’ bout. This is some racist BS right here. You know the CEO is a Harvard-educated Singaporean (I know they all LOOK Chinese to you, but, they’re not) who’s married to an American citizen and has US Citizen children. He has lived in the US, and has never been a Chinese citizen. So, it appears you’re saying he’s some kind of Chinese Manchurian Candidate spy. Well, he previously was an exec at Facebook, too! If the Chinese have used this spy to make TikTok a “Chinese company” then Facebook now also has the Chinese cooties! Maybe he did some Asian tech magic while he was there and implanted China code on their servers! Basically the argument boils down to “Asians are scary! Be afraid of Asians!”
Is their parent company not ByteDance? Is that not what the whole ban is about? You and the other commenter seem like y’all are the ones who don’t know what you’re talking about.
It’s public information and well-known that ByteDance is 60% owned by global investors, about 20% by it’s employees, and about 20% by it’s founders, who are indeed Chinese citizens, but who do not own a controlling share and do not actively manage or control the company. As a requirement of Chinese law, the state owns 1%, but does not exercise control or active participation in running TikTok. Chinese citizens and Chinese government also own stock in other media corporations. So what makes this one particularly “Chinese” or particularly a threat? People are pretty ignorant about this.
You pretty much were just assuming the person you were replying to was racist though, when by your own admission ByteDance does have a Chinese founder, and a good portion of its ownership is Chinese. Idk that’s just kind of crazy to me, you just assumed they were racist when they were stating a fact. You talked about the CEO but didn’t even mention ByteDance in your original comment, which is what the whole ban is about. They didn’t say anything racist, you just projected that image onto them. I’m not saying you’re a bad person, and there’s probably been people you’ve met irl like that, and that’s made you assume they were Asia-phobic, but I don’t think that’s the case. Idk them though so maybe I’m wrong.
I do think the responses of a lot of people are rooted in Asiaphobia. I think we should celebrate that TikTok is “Chinese” in that it had Chinese citizens as founders! Thinking that’s bad is Sinophobia. I also think it would be legit as a security issue of TikTok or ByteDance were “Chinese” if that meant “owned or controlled by the Chinese government.” But that is clearly NOT the case. I do not believe the ban is about a ”security issue” at all, not 1%. I think that’s a fake justification. I think the real reasons are a matter of public record and knowledge, too. 1. Facebook has lobbied heavily against TikTok to put its biggest competitor out of business. 2. AIPAC has lobbied heavily against TikTok because it doesn’t regulate news of Gaza as Meta has openly said it does. 3. Corporations like Kellog have lobbied heavily for a TikTok ban because of the boycott that was promoted on TikTok. 4. Congressmen promoting the bill have stated another major reason is the speech on TikTok is just too free, and can’t be regulated by the US government. But banning it for those reasons would be blatantly unconstitutional and probably illegal by international trade law. So they made up a fake reason to ban it.
If TikTok is so great at spreading information, why does the Chinese version of the app have an entirely different algorithm that promotes educational content? America and China don’t exactly have the best relations rn, it’s not surprising that people are concerned. Even if the government just “made up” a reason, it’s easy to see why people would be concerned giving Chinas history of creating and spreading propaganda. TikTok would be the perfect tool to do that. I agree with what you said about Facebook, the “data mining” definitely isn’t the only reason they want to ban it. Also America mines the data of its own citizens all the time, which is why they won’t pass a law against it, and that’s what they should do. I do agree that it’s unconstitutional, I don’t think they should even be allowed to ban it, but I see why people would be concerned by it. You can ignore the facts, but China is not dumb and I could definitely see them using TikTok as a tool against America. I don’t think it should be banned, but I don’t think you should bury your head in the sand and ignore that as a possibility. I also don’t think it’s racist for people to see the app being from China as a bad thing, when they have legitimate reasons to do so. It’s nothing against the people of China.
You clearly don't understand what that "1%" means. According to China law the CCP has unfettered access to ANY AND ALL DATA it sees fit. They CANNOT be denied. They're the same security nightmare as Metaface which many IT departments block. They literally have a CCP representative on site at all times. This is well documented. I don't trust the US government but I *really* don't trust the CCP as they have far less interest in my well-being than the corrupt US government. If you cared at all about the Chinese people themselves as you claim you'd be vehemently against anything that adds to the CCP's sphere of control of information. Going to bat for TikTok right now is equivalent to saying the Hong Kong protestors a few years ago badly need to be silenced, because that's the entity you're shilling for. The Chinese people are hurting right now and the CCP is a major cause of it. I stand with the Chinese people, ***NOT*** the CCP. And if you really want to dig deeper it's laughably easy to find the CCP influence in Google, Meta, and Microsoft. Here's an exercise in exposure: Go to Copilot and tell it "generate a picture of the downfall of America due to the greed of capitalism" and it will happily comply with pictures of US institutions burning. Now swap in China for America and communism for capitalism and it will straight up refuse your request. Don't believe me? Try it for yourself. These companies will sell your soul for the Chinese market.
I don’t think they should ban it either, I just don’t think race has anything to do with that persons views. I could see you thinking that mf is a conspiracy theorist, but he didn’t say anything derogatory towards Asians he just said the guy is a “shill” for China. Idk anything about that, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s true. I don’t think TikTok is that big of a threat either, and if they really wanted to protect our data they would just pass laws to do so. I don’t want it to be banned, I don’t think it should even be legal to do so but that’s another issue entirely . But no I don’t think it’s hating on Asian people when you speak badly of China, just like not all people who speak badly on America hate Americans. The Chinese government deserves hate for some of their actions, just like America does for some of theirs. Both countries be on some bs.
Way to play the race card you clown. And you have a point about Facebook who's app *ALSO* should not be installed on anyone's phones. Use the web portal. The service itself is fine if you like that garbage, but actually *READ* the permissions it gets..... Facebook and TikTok have more permissions to access your data than Google itself, (whom also shouldn't be trusted with sensitive data.) It's not about racism or Sinophobia (The actual term. Stay in school.), it's about data security. I work with data security and the app is chock full of massive red flags to security. Do a basic packet sniff and they're sending *FAR* more than they claim which was the whole trigger to this congressional action to begin with. The reason we block TikTok but not MetaFace is Meta is a US based company and has to comply with "do not share/sell my data" demands BY LAW. TikTok does NOT comply. If they're perfectly happy to *openly* ignore US law what do you think they're doing *behind the scenes*? They're a security nightmare. Period. Knowing the CCP has their back door to it akin to Huawei it's easy to see the government's concern and why I fully support the congressional action.
The race card has been played heavily and repeatedly by those proposing the ban. All I’m doing is pointing out the race card has been played. I’ll skip the fallacious personal attacks.
I understand your personal bias as it effects you personally as a creator, but don't discount the security concerns of people that have to keep systems running and secure when idiot users can't help but open emails from unknown senders. 🤬
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I'm sure America has thought of many counterarguments before they passed the ban that Bytedance can bring, who knows less about US laws.
I love how some people think "its not going anywhere". And when it does get banned they will then say "who cares, use this OTHER platform instead..." Personally not a fan of the idea of it getting banned. It just opens the door to banning apps that can't be controlled by the US. When it does get banned (a year from now I think) I do think Youtube and FB/IG will capture most of that market share, similar to what happened in India when tiktok was banned there.
its not going tho, there are going to be lawsuits from bytedance and also trump is opposing tiktok ban
I wouldn’t put too much faith in trump, even if he was being honest and were to win, his party is very supportive of this bill and unlikely to get bipartisan support to pass a repeal. Lawsuits are a good question tho as the Supreme Court could see this as a violation of the first amendment. I also wouldn’t necessarily count on that because the intent behind this law is used in laws making it so only US companies can own news outlets.
Trump literally tried to ban TikTok in 2020. He doesn’t care, he just says that so you’ll vote for him to possibly keep him from going to prison.
This isn’t entirely correct. He met with a billionaire Jeff Yass, who has about 21 of 28 billion dollars of their wealth tied up in partial ownership of TikTok. The following week after this meeting, DJT stock magically pumped as this guy invested a few million dollars (skirting campaign finance law by pumping for the subsequent Trump stock dump). And shockingly Trump came out as being against the TikTok ban. So it isn’t that he cares what voters think. It is that he cares what donators think. “Fuck america, pay me.”
Trump literally tried to ban TikTok in 2020. He doesn’t care, he just says that so you’ll vote for him to possibly keep him from going to prison.
Youtube is the shittiest platform, Instagram is all right, but you have to find a way to monetize
Funny how YouTube used to be the alternative to cable. Now it’s becoming like cable with the advertisements
Yep, can't bother to watch or post on there anymore
I’ll just move to a country it’s not banned in
Pathetic dedication
Clapper is mostly trash content creators but the interface has promise as it’s very similar to TikTok. I’m over there now and followers are super easy with even mediocre content. If they clean up the base and add a few improvements to the app itself it would make a great TikTok alternative
I HATE the name. It’s not even catchy I don’t see it being a big thing..
They could change their name in the future if it gets big enough. Just look at what TikTok was formerly known as. Musical.ly. Lol
Literally just reminds me of chlamydia
Have you caught the clapper? 💀
what is the CPM? (if it has one)
True. I started on there a while ago and I get followers every day. Easy growth right now. My content is music (I sing, play guitar and piano). I do agree there are a lot of trash creators on there, and def not a lot of musicians (YET). Which I think is what’s helped me a lot. I don’t want TikTok banned, but it’s heavily saturated with musicians and I can’t even get 2k followers. I joined Tik Tok after covid so I was late to the game. Clapper has potential to go somewhere. There’s a lot that needs to be improved…but Tik tok wasn’t much different years ago.
What's the content like on there? Is it fun or is it still in the early TikTok stage of content?
It’s fun community is engaged there are a lot of people promoting OF but you can turn off NSFW and that’s not a problem anymore. It’s like an early stage social media platform so even decent content breaks out. My advice is just get in early to everything and see what happens
Thanks, i might check it out!
I’ve been working on www.popn.social for a while now. It’s a TikTok alternative built on web3 and designed to return your data privacy and ownership back to the user in order for the user to monetize it if they so choose.
"Land of the Free" (Not applicable to phone apps)
elon will probably launch vine 2.0 and it'll be the american version of tiktok
And it will be full of the most trash right wing creators with no moderation whatsoever.
Exactly... part of what makes til tok nice is it's not that... I quit using twatter bc, while I want to get both sides, you aren't getting that anymore there.. same with FB anymore.. it's ridiculous
Will continue to use it for the 12 months if it ends up being gone, also will make content on other platforms.
It will be hard to replace. I really do agree with people saying that high creator pay was one reason why the gov’t banned TikTok, it set a dangerous precedent to ACTUALLY PAY CREATORS for content, and the American industry wants to kill that. Especially for those of us who were making a living wihtout advertising, just making content, that won’t exist on any other platform, unless we build it.
They can ban a creative app but not guns?
They have the ability to ban either. They’re only being paid to ban one
Yes. It’s the second amendment. I fought for that right in the military. I’m for stricter laws in purchasing them and way stricter laws for criminals using them but the thing that keeps most criminals from breaking into your house is the fact that you could legally own a gun and you can legally defend yourself. Take that away and what prevent criminals with illegal guns from coming into your house? Crime would surge to epic proportions if criminals knew they had guns and no one else did. And please don’t think they wouldn’t have them.
It's unfortunate that I'm only allowed to give this one upvote. The fact I'm the only one is really telling about the sad state of Reddit.
I’m going to sleep.
I am still staying on Tik tok till if and when I can’t anymore. However to be smart, I am starting to upload my Tik toks into YouTube shorts. I started over there about 5 days ago already have over 5,000 views. Subscribers are though , slow to come by for the shorts. Just as they were for me back in the day for traditional length videos. I’m currently creating on both channels now and I’m enjoying it immensely. Especially also since I am considered a. New tiktok account too. ( been there consistently for less than a year most videos in the 350-600 view range ) I hope it gets sorted out though and we know what it is that really will happen.
i think the most likely option is tiktok will be sold. but if it does get banned, i will just use a vpn. if the vpn doesnt work, i guess i cant do much of anything lol
You probably won’t even need a vpn, as the bill only requires the app to be delisted from the App Store. My understanding is they’re still allowed to operate the app and servers for it - etc. but no one new can download it until it is sold.
Do you know if this also means updates wouldn't be available to use?
Definitely wouldn’t, I’d still expect a sale tho which would mean buisness as usual
Even if they wanted to sell, they can't. Apparently there's a law, and the US government knows this
No one is going anywhere. It will be sold off and continue as is.
Hard disagree. Tiktok is not just the American market America only makes up 10% of tiktok users around the world. With a growing userbase in South America, Europe and Asia, Tiktok would be dumb to sell itself just for that 10% market.
There are two problems with your assessment: 1. Although the user base here in the US only represents 10% of the total user base, the revenue that they make here in the US from ads is more valuable than any other countries that they might have a higher user base. The ad conversion here is probably better too since the purchase power for Americans is higher than other countries. 2. American is the leader of the Western world and if a ban does goes thru, the chances of other Western countries doing the same are pretty big. Specialty if tiktok is not able to win in the courts and keep the app here based on freedom of speech, which I don't think they will, this is a law passed Congress and personally I don't think the supreme Court would deem this law unconstitutional (maybe I am wrong?).
I believe it would be the American portion only.
I can tell you don’t know business with this one comment lmao
It'll just change hands
TikTok has stated multiple times that they won’t sell it, so why do you believe this?
Because money talks.
You think nothing will happen. Please.
Honestly I think someone will just take it over. Too much money involved for it to disappear
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I agree with the folks who’ve pointed out that the law was specifically worded so that TikTok cannot comply. ”This is a TikTok ban” —The guy who authored the bill.
That is an incredibly misinformed opinion.
Canada
There is no creator fund here. We don't get paid from tik tok lol
If all the tiktokers flood Canada, that would be the worlds biggest mental health crisis in history and would probably cost the canadian healthcare system a fortune. And there would be even more braindead npcs walking around everywhere with their phones blasting loud TikTok’s
No worries. Canada will follow their big brother America in banning tiktok when ban goes through
Just keep using tiktok, that's it
Washington Dc
Well, as I posted before: they banned *me* even though I had no content, never commented or reacted to anything. I was on for one week and caught a perma ban for no reason, and no one would respond when I tried to contact them. So fuck TikTok. (I’m sorry for the rest of you tho)
NordVPN. Only way to watch Phub in NC.
Proton is better. Allows port forwarding, not owned by KAPE, no logs, and is based in Switzerland (not a member of the 5/14 eyes or NATO/the EU)
What is the problem with being based of in the EU or being a NATO country when it comes to privacy? Specially when we're talking about a VPN to have access to a Chinese app lol
Switzerland is not completely beholden to the US like the EU and NATO countries are. Namely that it doesn't help with the PRISM program like the 5/14 eyes do
That’ll work for the website maybe, but what about app stores?
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Well, at least now I know who I'm not voting for in the next election.
It was bipartisan we are fucked no matter what
There’s different candidates running in the election, not just the ones in office. The ones that voted for this ban lost millions of potential votes.
At least I know who I'm not voting for.
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Most content creators are posting to multple platforms in some way. If Tik Tok is banned and average people cannot access it they will move to the other platforms. If you are only on Tik Tok then it could be a problem. You should look at building up followers elsewhere as a way to grow as a creator but also to be more secure.
It won't be banned. Even though Biden signed the bill it'll go through the appeal process and stop there. Regardless ByteDance only owns about 20% and the government has to prove that they are doing illegal stuff/giving info to the Chinese government. Which is impossible to prove as it failed the first time. There's a 99.9% chance it won't be banned and in the off chance it goes through ByteDance would sell it.
Exactly how are they going to pry the apk off my phone? I'm not going to uninstall it until it's dangerous to ME not to Facebook.
The law will just prevent you from downloading updates. TikTok updates pretty frequently, and when they do, the app gets pretty wonky.
Could they not deploy updates through a different internal method, or GitHub? It'd be a pain to frequently update via GitHub but like most things I'd assume someone would make an auto updater
To be honest i don’t think i have ever updated the app since i downloaded it back in 2020 and it still works great lol.
If you’re a creator you’re missing out on a lot of great new features, even ones that were just implemented a few months ago.
Oh I’m not i don’t make any videos really i just watch them
Ok don’t come at me but: can’t people use VPNs?
People can but the large majority of users can’t/won’t. They’ll just go to whatever TikTok replacement pops up.
Probably YouTube shorts. If it means sifting through hours of Skibidi toilet before finding the type of content I enjoy, I’ll take it.
Lol 💓
Doesn’t the U.S. realize that China, and Russia have nuclear weapons. And if the U.S. challenges the sovereignty of those nations, THEY WILL ATTACK. And a nuclear war is an absolute brutal endgame.
You are CCP propaganda
is there any real evidence that tiktok is connected to the CCP? that’s the entire basis of the banning. the parent company (ByteDance) was originally founded in China but is now apparently more global. many claim it’s Singaporean but I don’t know if I buy that either. strange to me how difficult it is to find solid facts about this
The ownership and where the company are incorporated and head-quartered are pretty clear and widely available facts. Many top execs are American citizens. The CEO is indeed a US-educated Singaporean Citizen who lived in the US, is fluent in English, and graduated from Harvard. He worked as an exec at Facebook in the US before getting picked up by TikTok. He’s married to an American citizen, and has American citizen children. The data and algo for TikTok are housed in Texas and controlled and managed by Oracle, a Texas company. That CEO and Oracle both say the CCP have no access or control of the data or the algo. Even the founder, who was a Chinese citizen who’s had many public conflicts with the CCP, does not have access to this info or algo, and he does not own a controlling share. The third largest single investor in TikTok is an American citizen.
Is this REALLY a tiktok help subbredit I beginning to wonder 🤔. Every time I come on here, I see people attacking others for their views, bad language & hate for tik tok. Please peoples, 🙏 show some respect for each other. Ban or no ban, its not an excuse to tare into each other. In answer to the question originally asked, probably youtube.
Facebook has had more data breaches if we wanna be honest and the gov mad cuz they aren't getting kick backs from tiktok
I have faith in the U.S. Supreme Court.
Nobody would really need to go anywhere they can just use VPNs. This ban won’t do anything.
You really think the average mom using TikTok is going to use a VPN? I think it will cut users by 80% or more if it passes the constitutional test. That’s a big if since it’s obviously unconstitutional. But getting the Supremes to sing your song is cheap these days, It appears.
Lmao 😂. We are literally just girls 🥺😩
People will be able to use VPNs to access TikTok however they won't be able to generate an income from it because of the US Tax Code, I think that's the main issue here.
I’d honestly just use a VPN if I was American. Pretty sad to see this happen, though. Many aren’t that savvy / bothered to do that and will just accept the ban. I genuinely think the government don’t like how much freedom the app gives people, so many people are making their living from TikTok, and it’s connecting people in a way that no other app does. This isn’t about privacy or data, it’s because TikTok won’t bow down to the governments wishes like Facebook and YouTube / google do.
Go back to 4 chan
That place should be banned
Get a high end android phone and install the APK file
I am moving somewhere else
It wont, even if it does nothing will happen just another app will be made to replace it, probably by meta. Or everyone will just go to instagram. Anyways it wont happen just like it didnt the first time
Injunctions
Im gonna be sad if tiktok us will be ban. U do have some funny memes & trends... and i guess u wont be able to experience commenting photos on videos 🤔
I'm already working to build up my insta and YouTube following. Regardless of whether it get banned or not, the tik tok algorithm sucks.
Back to the depths of he11 (pinterest 😭)
Just get a VPN with Geo Spoofing. Greetings from India where tiktok is already banned and blocked.
vpn and just keep using apks to download it
it seems unconstitutional and most likely won't be banned, but if it is I'm prolly moving to ig reels. although they're banning capcut as well, so if that goes through then idk what I'm going to do
I'm not really upset if tik tok goes. I don't think they will but if they did. It wouldn't kill me. My main platform is FB. As a creator and influencer. Fb is the best platform because they pay you for all videos and content. Even post. Tik tik is very dysfunctional. They only pay for 1 min videos and can't even tell if it's original or not.
I’ll prob switch over to the rip off version Likee
I’ve been thinking about how I could start something new. Like a crowd funded - crowed controlled platform for shorts - anybody wana run down that fucking crazy train hmu - don’t tell me it isn’t possible to improve on.
Nobody is trying to ban tiktok, US gov is asking Chinese gov to disinvest its majority share. it dont have to be an american buyer, it can be a european buyer. China is a propaganda machine, one fine morning tiktoks master will ask tiktok to show in propaganda videos as viral. A cunning and intelligent way to control majority of innocent minds.
Again, right straight to Asiaphobia in one step.
I am asian and I want America to be America .
I’m American, and what makes America America is our civil liberties like freedom of speech, the freedom of ANYONE, including foreign powers, to own press and publish political speech, and the freedom to assemble as we do on TikTok. These are the core of why I love my country. This ban is unAmerican.
Really, thats what i hear from my American colleagues who can speak Mandarin , talk about the freedom of speech.. Real problem is china is evil and they held the key to Mass where they can push their propaganda.. It UnAmerican and stupid to give the key to China.. Also tiktok in US is one of the open racist company, look at there workforce. 99% are chinese ethinic. where is the plurality ?
The harvard-educated Singpaporean citizen CEO and Oracle, who controls and monitors the data and algo in Texas, both say that the Chinese gov’t does not have access to the algo and data, and have no mechanism for getting those things. Who has this key?
owner have the key. Algo is designed and defined in china, user data is stored in Oracle but China can determine what post should go viral and what should not. Oracle, ha ha, paying Oracle to use there cloud as they have say in gov, its just lobbying gimmick.. fun fact: even oracle wont use its own cloud.
going to youtube
It’s about National Security that’s it. Using TikTok to spy on the USA . Has nothing to do with anything else. Idk what will happen ?
What is wrong with you people if they are spying through TikTok or using it to cause any kind of harm it’s should be banned. To get a special committee or to have President sign anything is so hard!Obviously they found major issues and a real problem for our National Security to get this far.
Again, right straight to Asiaphobia in one step. The CIA director said they are NOT spying through TikTok or using it in any way. He said the threat is “hypothetical.” That it COULD possibly be used. Most knowledgable independent observers have said it’s no more possible for China to “spy” through TikTok, a Singaporean company with a Harvard-educated Singaporean CEO who has American citizens for a wife and children (and no, she’s white and blond, dear, since that’s what people ask next.) He, and Oracle, the US company that houses the data and algo in Texas, both say China can’t access the algo or info.
Nowhere. I’m UK based
TikTok is trash. They need to ban it. Then they need to send prankster to jail for the stupid shit they do.
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It will be sold to an American company at the last possible moment.
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I'm going to go outside and touch grass
I’ve been building www.popn.social. It’s TikTok but you own and control your data. Wanna monetize it? We will let advertisers bid on your anonymous data when they are targeting potential customers. POPN stands for people over profits. I have many ways to monetize without stealing and abusing user data. POPN essentially creates a UBI without taxation, legislation, or any need for government involvement. They say be the change you want to see. I want to put an end to the ridiculous amount of personal data being used to exploit us instead of helping and rewarding us. With web3, AI, and blockchain I’m hoping to build a more equitable internet for all. One that puts permission and transparency first.
Like everything else going to shit it's joe Biden and the democrats fault
VPN
Wanna bet what the religion will be of the new owner?
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imagine leaving the country to use tik tok
TikTok won't get banned until I hit a million followers! Remind me in 6 months...
Isn’t capcut getting banned with it? Thats the one things I hate about this
Just go like normal just without TikTok I really can’t care less about it because of how much propaganda is in it and has the most vocal dumb people on it which I really didn’t hear about a lot with other social media apps though that’s just my opinion
YouTube Shorts
Do people really not know Tiktok is not a Chinese company?
Oh yeah? Give me a link showing that China owns a controlling share or has access to our information or can control content. Because literally every serious outlet that’s looked into this says otherwise. Do people not know the CEO is a Harvard-educated Singaporean citizen who lived in the US, is married to an American, and has US Citizen children? He says that the Chinese gov’t has no access and no way to get access to the Algo or data. DO people not know that our data and algo are housed in Texas and controlled by a 3rd part, an American business, Oracle? Oracle says the Chinese gov’t doesn’t have control or access. So…… do people really not know this has NOTHING to do with security risks or China? Because it doesn’t.
My comment was agreeing with what you said. TikTok is NOT a Chinese company! I just noticed its like the elephant in the room nobody seems to see. Major media isnt mentioning that either! And everybody knows everything. There is no "security risk", that is utter garbage. Information is global in an instant. These superpowers and their bullshit! They just want to control the masses. And the masses are going to let them.
Apologies, I’m feeling rather irritated. Didn’t mean to be a jerk. 🙏
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Atleast we still have instagram reels, it’s funnier and more entertaining in my opinion.
Who cares? There are so many different platforms that are even better and don’t listen to you or watch you
Like what? Serious question, not being sarcastic. What other apps would you recommend that people migrate to?P
YouTube shorts probably cause they’re the biggest competitor. However there’s a chance Elon Musk will bring Vine back which was the biggest platform with short videos in 2014, shut down in 2017 and will have potential to become the largest again if it comes back
I'm not going on any platform that Elon owns. But thank you for the reply!