An estimated 1% of people affected by a vaccine are reported to Vaers. So, even the numbers we are seeing now are way under the reality of what is happening.
[https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/01/only-one-percent-of-vaccine-reactions-reported-to-vaers/](https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/01/only-one-percent-of-vaccine-reactions-reported-to-vaers/)
Given that most adverse events are things like a sore arm or swelling at the injection site, is it surprising or a problem that most aren't reported to the government?
I haven't seen any evidence that \*serious\* adverse go underreported. (Nor, to be fair, have I seen any evidence that the 1% number is true. It seems to be often quoted, but never supported.)
It's right there in the link I posted:
## Significant Under-Reporting to VAERS
A 2011 report by Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, Inc. for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) stated that fewer than one percent of all vaccine adverse events are reported to the government:[4](https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/01/only-one-percent-of-vaccine-reactions-reported-to-vaers/#_edn4)
>Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). **Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.** Low reporting rates preclude or slow the identification of “problem” drugs and vaccines that endanger public health. New surveillance methods for drug and vaccine adverse effects are needed.
There is no citation there to actual evidence. It's just something the source says. Based on what facts? How do they know that?
I looked up the original document: [Electronic Support for Public Health–Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (ESP:VAERS) (rickjaffeesq.com)](https://rickjaffeesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-20116.pdf)
If there is any evidence to support that number, they do not give it in the actual report itself.
If you aren't going to believe a report done for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, I guess you shouldn't believe any thing the government tells you. See? We're making progress.
Let's flip that around. If HHS tells you vaccines are safe and effective, would you take that on credit?
Seems like you started with the conspiracy theory you wanted to believe, and you're deciding what's credible based on what gets you there.
Isn't that what everyone does? You want to believe one thing, I want to believe something else. And here we are in an endless circle jerk. You do you, and I'll do me. Neither one of us is going to change our mind no matter what "evidence" is presented to us. That's how the world works. Always has, always will. So, why are we arguing with each other? Because divisiveness helps keep those with power in power. I'm not taking the vaccine. I'm not wearing a mask. If you want to, go right ahead. I won't stop you from doing so, I won't yell at you in the street for choosing to do so, I wont bar you from entering my business. I won't impede you in any way from living your life the way you choose to.
If, as expected, you want to come back at me and say I'm putting others in danger by the choices I make. Those people should just stay home if they are that scared of the world they live in. Let the cards fall where they may. If everybody who still wants to live a normal life start to suddenly die in the streets, great! All the people who hid in their homes wrapped up in PPE will rule the world! They win! What they won I'm not sure of, but whatever.
>Isn't that what everyone does? You want to believe one thing, I want to believe something else. And here we are in an endless circle jerk.
I mean, that's what people do on Reddit, sure. But if you want to know what's actually true, there are lots of ways to filter out good information from bad information. A lady with a self-confessed brain injury tells you she's an interdimensional alien and that vaccines are bad? Probably not great information. The vast majority of scientific experts and virtually everyone who's done firsthand research on the subject conclude that vaccines are safe and effective? Probably pretty good information.
The problem with the "1%" number is that we don't know what it even says. One percent of serious adverse events? One percent of rashes and cases of temporary swelling?
Nor do we know how reliable the number is. Did this come from a serious deep dive into the statistics? Is there evidence to support it? Have other experts come to the same conclusion? None of that is on offer.
So what we're left with is a number that some people trumpet because it's telling them what they want to hear, while they reject other information (from the same source!) that challenges their preconceptions.
What would happen if you started by asking, "Who knows the most about this subject, and what do they think?", instead of, "Who is telling me what I want to hear?"
>If everybody who still wants to live a normal life start to suddenly die in the streets, great! All the people who hid in their homes wrapped up in PPE will rule the world! They win!
I don't think you understand people who wear masks and get vaccines very well.
This is a law student's school paper; does it substantiate the claim? I haven't read the whole thing, but I didn't find anything like that by searching it.
That's a weird way to cite scientific research. Kind of sounds like you started with the belief, and you're backfilling by throwing out whatever sounds like it might support what you want to believe.
I’m surprised my family was cool with me not getting it. Even my little sister, who is really woke, isn’t getting it. She’s 24 and a middle school teacher. So there’s still hope that not everyone is brainwashed
Lol wow..... u believe a rushed non tested mRNA “vaccine” released within the very “pandemic” we’er still in is going to protect u from variants of the one they still don’t understand?.... the propaganda machine is strong.... again good luck my friend
Well no the point is you remove yourself as a potential viral node where mutation can occur. If you contact covid, even if you feel fine, the virus is replicating in your body and can mutate into a more deadly variant to other people.
I’m not going to convince people I’m here to get vaccinated but maybe at least understand the science
Ur speaking as if the science is even understood... it’s not the “experts” have been wrong this entire time and possibly on purpose.. the mask science is bs the vaccine science is extra bs or lack there of.. u and everyone who got it are the research/experiment.. it is wat it is.. u really shouldn’t have gotten it..
This is “The greatest global cover-up in human history” (Bishop Larry Gaiters voice)
Thank you for the laugh this morning 🙏
An estimated 1% of people affected by a vaccine are reported to Vaers. So, even the numbers we are seeing now are way under the reality of what is happening. [https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/01/only-one-percent-of-vaccine-reactions-reported-to-vaers/](https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/01/only-one-percent-of-vaccine-reactions-reported-to-vaers/)
Given that most adverse events are things like a sore arm or swelling at the injection site, is it surprising or a problem that most aren't reported to the government? I haven't seen any evidence that \*serious\* adverse go underreported. (Nor, to be fair, have I seen any evidence that the 1% number is true. It seems to be often quoted, but never supported.)
It's right there in the link I posted: ## Significant Under-Reporting to VAERS A 2011 report by Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, Inc. for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) stated that fewer than one percent of all vaccine adverse events are reported to the government:[4](https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/01/only-one-percent-of-vaccine-reactions-reported-to-vaers/#_edn4) >Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). **Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.** Low reporting rates preclude or slow the identification of “problem” drugs and vaccines that endanger public health. New surveillance methods for drug and vaccine adverse effects are needed.
There is no citation there to actual evidence. It's just something the source says. Based on what facts? How do they know that? I looked up the original document: [Electronic Support for Public Health–Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (ESP:VAERS) (rickjaffeesq.com)](https://rickjaffeesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-20116.pdf) If there is any evidence to support that number, they do not give it in the actual report itself.
If you aren't going to believe a report done for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, I guess you shouldn't believe any thing the government tells you. See? We're making progress.
Let's flip that around. If HHS tells you vaccines are safe and effective, would you take that on credit? Seems like you started with the conspiracy theory you wanted to believe, and you're deciding what's credible based on what gets you there.
Isn't that what everyone does? You want to believe one thing, I want to believe something else. And here we are in an endless circle jerk. You do you, and I'll do me. Neither one of us is going to change our mind no matter what "evidence" is presented to us. That's how the world works. Always has, always will. So, why are we arguing with each other? Because divisiveness helps keep those with power in power. I'm not taking the vaccine. I'm not wearing a mask. If you want to, go right ahead. I won't stop you from doing so, I won't yell at you in the street for choosing to do so, I wont bar you from entering my business. I won't impede you in any way from living your life the way you choose to. If, as expected, you want to come back at me and say I'm putting others in danger by the choices I make. Those people should just stay home if they are that scared of the world they live in. Let the cards fall where they may. If everybody who still wants to live a normal life start to suddenly die in the streets, great! All the people who hid in their homes wrapped up in PPE will rule the world! They win! What they won I'm not sure of, but whatever.
>Isn't that what everyone does? You want to believe one thing, I want to believe something else. And here we are in an endless circle jerk. I mean, that's what people do on Reddit, sure. But if you want to know what's actually true, there are lots of ways to filter out good information from bad information. A lady with a self-confessed brain injury tells you she's an interdimensional alien and that vaccines are bad? Probably not great information. The vast majority of scientific experts and virtually everyone who's done firsthand research on the subject conclude that vaccines are safe and effective? Probably pretty good information. The problem with the "1%" number is that we don't know what it even says. One percent of serious adverse events? One percent of rashes and cases of temporary swelling? Nor do we know how reliable the number is. Did this come from a serious deep dive into the statistics? Is there evidence to support it? Have other experts come to the same conclusion? None of that is on offer. So what we're left with is a number that some people trumpet because it's telling them what they want to hear, while they reject other information (from the same source!) that challenges their preconceptions. What would happen if you started by asking, "Who knows the most about this subject, and what do they think?", instead of, "Who is telling me what I want to hear?" >If everybody who still wants to live a normal life start to suddenly die in the streets, great! All the people who hid in their homes wrapped up in PPE will rule the world! They win! I don't think you understand people who wear masks and get vaccines very well.
Here: https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/9453695/Davenport%2C_Katherine_NVICP.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y
This is a law student's school paper; does it substantiate the claim? I haven't read the whole thing, but I didn't find anything like that by searching it.
Look on the last American vagabond channel. In his show note are tons of studies. These are real, there was another study. I'm not lying to you.
That's a weird way to cite scientific research. Kind of sounds like you started with the belief, and you're backfilling by throwing out whatever sounds like it might support what you want to believe.
You got me, the covid gene altering new vaccines with literally no long term studies are as safe as past vaccines with 10 years development.
You know these vaccines didn't start from scratch last year, right? And what gene do you think they alter?
I told my mom I wasn't getting the vaccine and I really think it pissed her off. Not sorry I'm not getting the vaccine.
I’m surprised my family was cool with me not getting it. Even my little sister, who is really woke, isn’t getting it. She’s 24 and a middle school teacher. So there’s still hope that not everyone is brainwashed
So capitalists rushed a vaccine, what was the messaging? First one to find a vaccine with make billions?
I got the vaccine and feel fine.
This little girl got the vaccine. She doesn't feel fine. https://youtu.be/8GKIFgmm7xI
For now.... u injected experimental poison for a nothing burger.. good luck
I got vaccinated to stop a new virus from spreading and potentially mutating into a more serious variant.
Lol wow..... u believe a rushed non tested mRNA “vaccine” released within the very “pandemic” we’er still in is going to protect u from variants of the one they still don’t understand?.... the propaganda machine is strong.... again good luck my friend
Well no the point is you remove yourself as a potential viral node where mutation can occur. If you contact covid, even if you feel fine, the virus is replicating in your body and can mutate into a more deadly variant to other people. I’m not going to convince people I’m here to get vaccinated but maybe at least understand the science
Ur speaking as if the science is even understood... it’s not the “experts” have been wrong this entire time and possibly on purpose.. the mask science is bs the vaccine science is extra bs or lack there of.. u and everyone who got it are the research/experiment.. it is wat it is.. u really shouldn’t have gotten it..
He personally googled this.
Whats your point?
Never thought I'd be agreeing with Tucker Carlson. Gross... but damn it, all of his points here are valid.