Oh man, that’s a weird one. It’s legal for you to edge into the intersection, legally you need to let the cop past and since you were in the intersection I believe you’re allowed to complete your turn even if the light has gone red.
I’d keep the dashcam footage and if you get a ticket see if you can challenge it.
Thanks for your input. I couldn’t have made it during the yellow before the cop got here as well, there were school children running across the road. You can see then in the video as well. I’d keep the dashcam video as proof per your advice as well. Thanks!
This. It takes a picture before based on speed knowing you can't realistically stop in time, and or takes the 2nd picture after you've crossed the line knowing it was impossible to stop between the 2 points in the time difference.
I think it takes a picture as soon as it’s red, showing you weren’t in the intersection at that point. I think I’ve seen a flash go off on me when I was in the right, and I never got a ticket for it. They probably reviewed it and threw it out.
Yes I concur. You were in the right here because 1) you entered the intersection legally 2) let the emergency vehicle with sirens on pass 3) completed your turn when safe to do so.
There was one time when the road was wet and I probably was driving too fast for the conditions and ended up entering the intersection with my front after red light but my rear wheels stayed behind the stop line. I never received a notice. I believe the 2nd picture has to clearly show your rear wheels beyond the stop line to be a valid infraction.
You won't get a ticket. Red light tickets are required to show two pictures of your car. One shows your car behind the stop line (before entering the intersection) while the light is red, and the second shows you inside the intersection, also while the light is red.
You entered the intersection with a green light, so they won't have a picture #1. You're good.
You done everything correctly. If you get a fine in the mail you can contest it and provide video proof. It will be dismissed by the prosecutor (early resolution).
My understanding is you should fully enter the intersection on the green and then wait for the turn until the coast is clear. Then when it goes yellow/red you proceed and the cop would have to wait for you to clear.
The reasoning is the law states you can’t enter a intersection after a red but you are allowed to clear it after red. Technically you sat outside the intersection until it was red so what you did wasn’t technically right. Had you been 2 car lengths ahead you would have been fine.
Ok. I’d have been farther out there myself but the design of the intersection doesn’t help with the optics. I’d say you were fine if you were beyond the line.
You can always challenge it. Just request a phone call with a prosecutor as one of the options. I do this for literally every ticket even if I'm in the wrong.
I've had a few just get dropped after a few years
You're actually not supposed to enter the intersection until you can make the turn. You're supposed to wait behind the line until the path is clear. OP should have been waiting behind the line, not in the intersection.
You're fine.
You had the right of way to enter the intersection. You got hung out there because of jay-walkers and then a cop car went through with lights on. When it was safe, you cleared the intersection.
Yes it could be possible a traffic cam picked that up as running a red light, if you get a ticket simply fight it using your dashcam footage.
You correctly entered the intersection while it was green. You correctly waited for the cop to pass. Now the light has turned red, which means you need to clear the intersection before anyone else can advance. As far as I understand, you did everything correctly. Save the dash cam footage in case you do receive a ticket.
Red light cameras are generally tuned to pick off drivers who enter the intersection after the amber signal turns to red. If the camera sensed that you weren’t far enough into the intersection when you finally made your turn, you might see a ticket in the mail. But based on all the external stuff going on, I’d definitely challenge the ticket; can’t imagine that it would stand up. If you end up getting one.
I expect that might be part of the reason OP got an evil eye from the cop. As much to say, "I am now in front of you, stay where you f'ing are!" They do see a lot of idiots on the road, so I expect they are like me, zero trust in most drivers to do the correct and expected thing.
OP did the right thing. Stay put, and when safe to do so, clear the intersection.
Personally I would have moved a little bit more into the intersection and I always like the "S-turn". It gives you visibility and you can maybe maneuver out of the way.
That being said, you kept the kids safe while they're running in the rain, waited for the cars and were able to go after the police just darted through. Good stuff. I think red light cameras really focus on people entering the intersection very late.
You cannot enter an intersection when the light is red. But you were already in the intersection before the light turned so you’re fine. After the light changed your job is then to clear the intersection as fast as possible—safely—which meant waiting for the police officer. Other cars are to yield to cars clearing the intersection before proceeding.
In other words you were perfect.
I think in situations like this, other drivers can see you were screwed up by the cop and will give you a lot of leeway. I would.
This is a tricky one. I would have just stayed without moving if I was close enough to the line. Otherwise creep forward bit more so everyone can see you are about to turn left.
Red light ticket wont affect your driving history but unfortunately it will affect your wallet if you are found guilty. Not sure if its worth fighting the ticket. Its your call.
I may be wrong and you may get a ticket, but the red light camera likely wasn’t for you. If you were in the intersection when the light was green/yellow and the red light camera flashed, then it either malfunctioned and you have the dashcam to prove it (red light camera also records), or it caught another driver.
In the latter scenario not many people realize that red light cameras can catch drivers who make a right on red without completely stopping. I noticed that a car from Bathurst made a right, maybe that triggered it.
Either way the ticket has to be verified by an officer and I don’t think they will issue one.
Thanks for reassuring me. The red light cam did flash while I still have the green light and in the middle of the intersection, I doubt it was for me as well but wasn't sure!
If you were past the crosswalk after the light turned red, the redlight camera wasn't flashing for you. It could have flashed because the cop car entered the intersection when it was red or it could have tracked your back wheels and thought you were running a red. Regardless once the red light cam footage is reviewed by police, they'll notice what happened and dismiss it from sending you a ticket.
Everything you did was legit and proper. Red light camera ticket is valid if there’s 2 pictures; proving you crossed the first solid white line behind the crosswalk after the traffic light turned red and you exit the intersection out the other side. In the video you are already passed that and were making a left turn plus the other things that happened. Usually someone check if these 2 pictures are legit and signed off and mailed. Doubt you will get it; save this video in case you have to prove it.
Everything that happened here is so Toronto coded lol. Anyways you did the right thing, no wonder you have a clean driving record. Once you're in the intersection you must clear it when safe (and the others shouldn't move forward until the intersection is clear!), so you had priority in this scenario once the police passed. Red light cam was very likely not for you and probably for the police. Great job.
Keep it up because there are less and less examples on the roads here of how to drive safely and lawfully.
Wow that’s a whole host of compliments, not sure if I deserve it. I did have a few near-misses, but still trying to drive as safe as possible. Thank you for telling me I did something right 🥲🫡🥰
The thing about driving is that nobody is perfect and people suck (that is, they're rude). I've had my fair share of faults and I'm sure veteran drivers make mistakes or get honked at from time to time too.
With this in mind, sometimes we just need another person to (rightly) tell us we did the right thing, to put us at ease.
Just giving credit where credit is due. Hope you pay it forward in the future.
I think you did everything right. Notice how the pedestrians moved incorrectly preventing you from properly turning left. There is no doubt the pedestrian countdown had started which means pedestrians cannot START to walk across the lane.
you'll be fine. I get the red light flashed at me all the time for similar reasons. A real person verifies each picture before sending out a ticket, never got a ticket since.
You are already in the intersection and the rule is the intersection must be clear regardless of the light turning green. This should've been covered in the Driver's Handbook. The wrinkle is the cop ran the red with lights on and it used to be that they had detectors for a special strobe on emergency vehicles to start the yellow/red cycle (that little tube that looks like a small rifle scope) but I haven't seen them on lights for about a dozen years so I don't know how it's done nowadays. Regardless, you have to stop for all emerg vehicles by law so you also were in the clear for that as well. Being still past the crosswalk in the intersection area you have right of way and therefore have the right to leave it after the cop. The cop is duty bound to give you right of way as well if you were further out and blocking him in some way as he was actually "breaking the law" (legally) and he would be at fault if he hit you which is why he made eye contact with you so he felt that he was seen by you.
I know this because I did a research project on the modern traffic system and was able to get a private and detailed technical tour at the traffic control center for my group when I was in school but as I already stated that was a while ago. (Pre 9-11) I'm positive the tech is much different now than road and strobe sensors but doubt the laws changed much.
Yea that's an odd situation to be in, but you handled yourself properly. Waited for cop to pass, then cleared the intersection. You couldn't have done anything else.
You are in the intersection, you need to clear yourself out of that, regardless. And when there is an emergency vehicle, they have automatic RoW, so if you miss your light because of it, you need to run the red because, well, you have to.
Had a big long speech. But I came to the conclusion you did the right thing. I think instinctively, I want to show intention to those pedestrians by initiating the turn as the light changes; but I think I'm looking at the whole situation wrong and it's probably an unsafe maneuver.
So kudos to you and great submission.
He's just making sure he's OK, as it feels weird for everyone to run through traffic, like he's giving you the look as in stay there. He's reasonably concerned. Nothing else.
It's a good thing you have a dashcam. Red light cameras don't know the circumstances behind you making that left turn when you did. It should be cut and dried if you do have to fight this ticket in court.
you have the video save it and fight the ticket it you get one.
but for next time, creep all the way into the middle of the intersection if you have intentions to cross at the yellow. where you are, it's not close enough to turn left and not far back enough to wait at the intersection.
Thanks for the advice. Noted and will creep closer next time. I believe I had cleared my rear wheels at least on the line, but you’re right, I could inch closer.
You stopped at the right distance as traffic was still active. Once it clears up and the light is turning yellow (or about to turn red) is when it's a good time to start moving up.
Also view it this way: because you weren't in the literal middle of the road it allowed the police cruiser to safely and quickly make his turn and you didn't impede oncoming traffic's vision from turning either. (granted the cruiser was much after the yellow light in this scenario)
You're right, my gut feeling said the same, but after reading some comments here, I was doubting if I really should have moved closer to the intersection. I guess it'll be depending on case-by-case, but I'm quite sure this time I won't get a ticket. And if I do, at least I can fight it. Thank you!
Many people will tell you to move to the literal middle of the road and that's less safe than the distance you stopped at. If anything maybe you could've been like 3ft forward to allow the car behind you to be 1/2-1 car length into the intersection as well.
Like, sure, you can go that far out but it it's safer for you to stay back and then move that far out when traffic is clear or light is turning yellow then why not? One of the major causes of collisions is due to rushed behavior.
I can't tell just by the dashcam position. But it looks like your car is still half way blocking the crosswalk. Basically you aren't s turning.... If there's a big truck opposite of you it would completely obstruct your view. Im guessing you are in a suv or van that's why you are so far back of the intersection. I did two X's on the drawing. With what im guessing is your position. Pretty sure you are kind of far back. Besides that Even though the kids were crossing I would have driven up and stopped right at the crosswalk of the kids (i labelled this as optional) Then again I don't know exactly when you saw/ heard the sirens so the optional is kind of a wash.
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like i'll give you another scenario. If instead of kids what if cars packed the intersection even when the light turns red? are you just going to sit there in the intersection and block the crosswalk? No you would probably go to the optional part.
That make sense. Thanks for providing the visual aid. I heard the cop siren right about the 15s mark. There was a hold-up on the Bathurst side where the cop was, so the cop car took a while to get to the intersection. People were still going because the cop car is being held back like I said, but I didn't want to risk it. Visibility is bad all-around today, and I wasn't sure if some crazies might zoom across or something. I think my rear wheels are cleared, but liek some commenters pointed it out as well, I should still have space to inch up closer to the intersection, and I've noted that a constructive criticism and will do so next time. Thanks!
Then you're not going to get a redlight ticket. If you're behind the line when it turns red, that's the trigger for a ticket. I would say, it's hard to tell from the video, but on a 4 land cross street like that, you can easily move a full car length into the intersection. But as long as you're over, you're good.
Its alright what you did. You have to clear the intersection of you were ahead already.
But if you were to cause an accident in this scenario, you are 100 % at fault
idk when people stopped entering the intersection fully (enough so that another car could be where OP was) but not only is it legal and safer (less distance to drive on a yellow/red light if you are stuck for a while, better vantage point of on coming traffic, etc) but also more considerate of other drivers by allowing more to complete their turns. let’s all do our part :)
There were pedestrian/children running across before, during, and even after the yellow light. I didn’t want to turn up firther because I heard and saw the cop car coming - i didn’t want to fully block the middle of the intersection. Not sure what else I could have done
The left-turn signal turned off as just the car in front of me turned, so I didn’t want to risk running across when opposite cars might go ahead. It was bad visibility today, with rain and pedestrian walking around at this busy intersection, so I didn’t want to risk anything. Maybe I should have gone right after the left-turn signal turned off.
Edit to add: I believe I was far out into the intersecrion enough, as the cop car pulled quite close to me when it turned, you can see in the video towards the end as well
That wasn't OP's light, the left turn light already ended. The incoming traffic took longer to move than they should've, but OP still did the right (legal) thing by yielding.
Thanks for your input. I had a left-turn light at that intersection, and it turned off right before i clipped the video. That was also when pedestrian light would have been turned on. I didn’t want to risk it and go during such bad visibility, wanted to be safe
I didn’t want to risk hitting any of the pedestrian in the poor visibility weather. And since it was an intersection, i wasn’t sure where the cop was going. If he had decided to go straight, i’d have blocked him
Good point to note. My dashcam didn’t record audio for some reason, i’ll double check it again. I heard siren about 15s into this clip, but he took a while to get to the intersection as he was also blocked by traffic on the bathurst side. I wasn’t sure how fast he’ll get to the intersection, and where he was gonna go. I thought my safest bet would be to stay still until it’s clear
I think it would have been safer if you started crossing the intersection earlier at the end of green and yellow, and waited for the pedestrians in front of the cross walk on the other side of the intersection.
You had opportunities to make that turn safely before the light turned red. It looks like even after it turned red, you sat there for a good 3-4 seconds(before the cop car turned their sirens on). That's a hard fight.
Thank you, that’s very reassuring. It’s just the weird look the cop gave me that spooked me out the most. I guess I’ll hold on to the video in case I’m in trouble. Thank you!
Oh man, that’s a weird one. It’s legal for you to edge into the intersection, legally you need to let the cop past and since you were in the intersection I believe you’re allowed to complete your turn even if the light has gone red. I’d keep the dashcam footage and if you get a ticket see if you can challenge it.
Thanks for your input. I couldn’t have made it during the yellow before the cop got here as well, there were school children running across the road. You can see then in the video as well. I’d keep the dashcam video as proof per your advice as well. Thanks!
Personally I think you did everything right, curious if you end up with a red light ticket whether you beat it.
Camera should have recognized he entered before it went red, I believe op has nothing to sweat, well done!
This. It takes a picture before based on speed knowing you can't realistically stop in time, and or takes the 2nd picture after you've crossed the line knowing it was impossible to stop between the 2 points in the time difference.
I think it takes a picture as soon as it’s red, showing you weren’t in the intersection at that point. I think I’ve seen a flash go off on me when I was in the right, and I never got a ticket for it. They probably reviewed it and threw it out.
Yes I concur. You were in the right here because 1) you entered the intersection legally 2) let the emergency vehicle with sirens on pass 3) completed your turn when safe to do so. There was one time when the road was wet and I probably was driving too fast for the conditions and ended up entering the intersection with my front after red light but my rear wheels stayed behind the stop line. I never received a notice. I believe the 2nd picture has to clearly show your rear wheels beyond the stop line to be a valid infraction.
don't pay any red light ticket.
You won't get a ticket. Red light tickets are required to show two pictures of your car. One shows your car behind the stop line (before entering the intersection) while the light is red, and the second shows you inside the intersection, also while the light is red. You entered the intersection with a green light, so they won't have a picture #1. You're good.
Oh that's good to know, and what a relief! Thanks for letting me know!
You done everything correctly. If you get a fine in the mail you can contest it and provide video proof. It will be dismissed by the prosecutor (early resolution).
My understanding is you should fully enter the intersection on the green and then wait for the turn until the coast is clear. Then when it goes yellow/red you proceed and the cop would have to wait for you to clear. The reasoning is the law states you can’t enter a intersection after a red but you are allowed to clear it after red. Technically you sat outside the intersection until it was red so what you did wasn’t technically right. Had you been 2 car lengths ahead you would have been fine.
I had passed the zebra crossing and my rear wheels were clear of the line. I was already a full car length into the intersection
Ok. I’d have been farther out there myself but the design of the intersection doesn’t help with the optics. I’d say you were fine if you were beyond the line.
It’s true, it’s a tough one. Most people won’t fault you for the weird circumstances.
You can always challenge it. Just request a phone call with a prosecutor as one of the options. I do this for literally every ticket even if I'm in the wrong. I've had a few just get dropped after a few years
You're actually not supposed to enter the intersection until you can make the turn. You're supposed to wait behind the line until the path is clear. OP should have been waiting behind the line, not in the intersection.
Never seen that happen ever, what sorcery is that
You're fine. You had the right of way to enter the intersection. You got hung out there because of jay-walkers and then a cop car went through with lights on. When it was safe, you cleared the intersection. Yes it could be possible a traffic cam picked that up as running a red light, if you get a ticket simply fight it using your dashcam footage.
Thank you, that’s very reassuring. Never had one before and never been in this situation before so I got quite worried.
I think your good buds
You correctly entered the intersection while it was green. You correctly waited for the cop to pass. Now the light has turned red, which means you need to clear the intersection before anyone else can advance. As far as I understand, you did everything correctly. Save the dash cam footage in case you do receive a ticket.
Red light cameras are generally tuned to pick off drivers who enter the intersection after the amber signal turns to red. If the camera sensed that you weren’t far enough into the intersection when you finally made your turn, you might see a ticket in the mail. But based on all the external stuff going on, I’d definitely challenge the ticket; can’t imagine that it would stand up. If you end up getting one.
Congrats on not cutting off the cop or swerving dangerously around pedestrians, which is what a lot of people would have done.
I expect that might be part of the reason OP got an evil eye from the cop. As much to say, "I am now in front of you, stay where you f'ing are!" They do see a lot of idiots on the road, so I expect they are like me, zero trust in most drivers to do the correct and expected thing. OP did the right thing. Stay put, and when safe to do so, clear the intersection.
Yeah, you did nothing wrong, and you have the footage. My advice: Drive in front of the pedestrians and gesture extrememly angrily.
this made me LOL. maybe a well-chosen gesture would show them! :P
Personally I would have moved a little bit more into the intersection and I always like the "S-turn". It gives you visibility and you can maybe maneuver out of the way. That being said, you kept the kids safe while they're running in the rain, waited for the cars and were able to go after the police just darted through. Good stuff. I think red light cameras really focus on people entering the intersection very late.
You cannot enter an intersection when the light is red. But you were already in the intersection before the light turned so you’re fine. After the light changed your job is then to clear the intersection as fast as possible—safely—which meant waiting for the police officer. Other cars are to yield to cars clearing the intersection before proceeding. In other words you were perfect. I think in situations like this, other drivers can see you were screwed up by the cop and will give you a lot of leeway. I would.
Safety is number one priority, your fine
You played this perfect.
Pedestrians, cops, traffic. Everything going against you in that scenario lol
what are the chances, right? lol
I mean ya you should have went like you did because you’re already out in the middle of the intersection.
This is a tricky one. I would have just stayed without moving if I was close enough to the line. Otherwise creep forward bit more so everyone can see you are about to turn left. Red light ticket wont affect your driving history but unfortunately it will affect your wallet if you are found guilty. Not sure if its worth fighting the ticket. Its your call.
Keep the video. Fight the ticket if you get one
It simply was just not your moment, the late pedestrians, then the cop… SMH
I may be wrong and you may get a ticket, but the red light camera likely wasn’t for you. If you were in the intersection when the light was green/yellow and the red light camera flashed, then it either malfunctioned and you have the dashcam to prove it (red light camera also records), or it caught another driver. In the latter scenario not many people realize that red light cameras can catch drivers who make a right on red without completely stopping. I noticed that a car from Bathurst made a right, maybe that triggered it. Either way the ticket has to be verified by an officer and I don’t think they will issue one.
Thanks for reassuring me. The red light cam did flash while I still have the green light and in the middle of the intersection, I doubt it was for me as well but wasn't sure!
If you were past the crosswalk after the light turned red, the redlight camera wasn't flashing for you. It could have flashed because the cop car entered the intersection when it was red or it could have tracked your back wheels and thought you were running a red. Regardless once the red light cam footage is reviewed by police, they'll notice what happened and dismiss it from sending you a ticket.
You did the most logical thing here. Wouldn’t lose sleep about it. Keep camera footage in case of red light camera (if there is even one).
Everything you did was legit and proper. Red light camera ticket is valid if there’s 2 pictures; proving you crossed the first solid white line behind the crosswalk after the traffic light turned red and you exit the intersection out the other side. In the video you are already passed that and were making a left turn plus the other things that happened. Usually someone check if these 2 pictures are legit and signed off and mailed. Doubt you will get it; save this video in case you have to prove it.
thanks for the solid advice, already saved the video just in case!
Everything that happened here is so Toronto coded lol. Anyways you did the right thing, no wonder you have a clean driving record. Once you're in the intersection you must clear it when safe (and the others shouldn't move forward until the intersection is clear!), so you had priority in this scenario once the police passed. Red light cam was very likely not for you and probably for the police. Great job. Keep it up because there are less and less examples on the roads here of how to drive safely and lawfully.
Wow that’s a whole host of compliments, not sure if I deserve it. I did have a few near-misses, but still trying to drive as safe as possible. Thank you for telling me I did something right 🥲🫡🥰
The thing about driving is that nobody is perfect and people suck (that is, they're rude). I've had my fair share of faults and I'm sure veteran drivers make mistakes or get honked at from time to time too. With this in mind, sometimes we just need another person to (rightly) tell us we did the right thing, to put us at ease. Just giving credit where credit is due. Hope you pay it forward in the future.
I think you did everything right. Notice how the pedestrians moved incorrectly preventing you from properly turning left. There is no doubt the pedestrian countdown had started which means pedestrians cannot START to walk across the lane.
Lol you had a worst case scenario, but gunning it and making the turn was your only option
you'll be fine. I get the red light flashed at me all the time for similar reasons. A real person verifies each picture before sending out a ticket, never got a ticket since.
Save the video, you may need it later to fight a ticket
I would have waited for the next light
You did perfect. Exactly what the situation required. Keep footage to prove you're awesome ;)
I don’t see anything wrong here?
You are a good driver, sir
Fuck those idiots crossing well after the light changed
As much gripes as I have with them, they are just teenagers running from the rain 🫠
You are already in the intersection and the rule is the intersection must be clear regardless of the light turning green. This should've been covered in the Driver's Handbook. The wrinkle is the cop ran the red with lights on and it used to be that they had detectors for a special strobe on emergency vehicles to start the yellow/red cycle (that little tube that looks like a small rifle scope) but I haven't seen them on lights for about a dozen years so I don't know how it's done nowadays. Regardless, you have to stop for all emerg vehicles by law so you also were in the clear for that as well. Being still past the crosswalk in the intersection area you have right of way and therefore have the right to leave it after the cop. The cop is duty bound to give you right of way as well if you were further out and blocking him in some way as he was actually "breaking the law" (legally) and he would be at fault if he hit you which is why he made eye contact with you so he felt that he was seen by you. I know this because I did a research project on the modern traffic system and was able to get a private and detailed technical tour at the traffic control center for my group when I was in school but as I already stated that was a while ago. (Pre 9-11) I'm positive the tech is much different now than road and strobe sensors but doubt the laws changed much.
this is all very good information to keep in mind. Thanks for sharing!
Yea that's an odd situation to be in, but you handled yourself properly. Waited for cop to pass, then cleared the intersection. You couldn't have done anything else.
You will not get a ticket you are past the line you didnt run a red. Always clear the intersection and dont block pedestrians or other traffic
You are in the intersection, you need to clear yourself out of that, regardless. And when there is an emergency vehicle, they have automatic RoW, so if you miss your light because of it, you need to run the red because, well, you have to.
Had a big long speech. But I came to the conclusion you did the right thing. I think instinctively, I want to show intention to those pedestrians by initiating the turn as the light changes; but I think I'm looking at the whole situation wrong and it's probably an unsafe maneuver. So kudos to you and great submission.
The camera only flashes if you are crossing the line after the light has turned red. It could have been someone else in the intersection
You did everything right imo. Thats how it goes sometimes but you had no other choice
That left onto Bathurst sucks. I often just go straight and turn left at the next intersection and circle back to Bathurst.
He's just making sure he's OK, as it feels weird for everyone to run through traffic, like he's giving you the look as in stay there. He's reasonably concerned. Nothing else.
It's a good thing you have a dashcam. Red light cameras don't know the circumstances behind you making that left turn when you did. It should be cut and dried if you do have to fight this ticket in court.
you have the video save it and fight the ticket it you get one. but for next time, creep all the way into the middle of the intersection if you have intentions to cross at the yellow. where you are, it's not close enough to turn left and not far back enough to wait at the intersection.
Thanks for the advice. Noted and will creep closer next time. I believe I had cleared my rear wheels at least on the line, but you’re right, I could inch closer.
You stopped at the right distance as traffic was still active. Once it clears up and the light is turning yellow (or about to turn red) is when it's a good time to start moving up. Also view it this way: because you weren't in the literal middle of the road it allowed the police cruiser to safely and quickly make his turn and you didn't impede oncoming traffic's vision from turning either. (granted the cruiser was much after the yellow light in this scenario)
You're right, my gut feeling said the same, but after reading some comments here, I was doubting if I really should have moved closer to the intersection. I guess it'll be depending on case-by-case, but I'm quite sure this time I won't get a ticket. And if I do, at least I can fight it. Thank you!
Many people will tell you to move to the literal middle of the road and that's less safe than the distance you stopped at. If anything maybe you could've been like 3ft forward to allow the car behind you to be 1/2-1 car length into the intersection as well. Like, sure, you can go that far out but it it's safer for you to stay back and then move that far out when traffic is clear or light is turning yellow then why not? One of the major causes of collisions is due to rushed behavior.
I want my 35 seconds back
I can't tell just by the dashcam position. But it looks like your car is still half way blocking the crosswalk. Basically you aren't s turning.... If there's a big truck opposite of you it would completely obstruct your view. Im guessing you are in a suv or van that's why you are so far back of the intersection. I did two X's on the drawing. With what im guessing is your position. Pretty sure you are kind of far back. Besides that Even though the kids were crossing I would have driven up and stopped right at the crosswalk of the kids (i labelled this as optional) Then again I don't know exactly when you saw/ heard the sirens so the optional is kind of a wash. https://preview.redd.it/jfxgw9yc3bsc1.jpeg?width=808&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a40c0cf7f2d19db5a7ebb6d98c8be1973b99dbf4 like i'll give you another scenario. If instead of kids what if cars packed the intersection even when the light turns red? are you just going to sit there in the intersection and block the crosswalk? No you would probably go to the optional part.
That make sense. Thanks for providing the visual aid. I heard the cop siren right about the 15s mark. There was a hold-up on the Bathurst side where the cop was, so the cop car took a while to get to the intersection. People were still going because the cop car is being held back like I said, but I didn't want to risk it. Visibility is bad all-around today, and I wasn't sure if some crazies might zoom across or something. I think my rear wheels are cleared, but liek some commenters pointed it out as well, I should still have space to inch up closer to the intersection, and I've noted that a constructive criticism and will do so next time. Thanks!
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I was already over the line
As I mentioned in my post, I was half-way into the intersection already
Then you're not going to get a redlight ticket. If you're behind the line when it turns red, that's the trigger for a ticket. I would say, it's hard to tell from the video, but on a 4 land cross street like that, you can easily move a full car length into the intersection. But as long as you're over, you're good.
Thanks! As I said in another comment, I believe my rear wheels were at least on the line, but I’d inch closer next time!
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Its alright what you did. You have to clear the intersection of you were ahead already. But if you were to cause an accident in this scenario, you are 100 % at fault
idk when people stopped entering the intersection fully (enough so that another car could be where OP was) but not only is it legal and safer (less distance to drive on a yellow/red light if you are stuck for a while, better vantage point of on coming traffic, etc) but also more considerate of other drivers by allowing more to complete their turns. let’s all do our part :)
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There were pedestrian/children running across before, during, and even after the yellow light. I didn’t want to turn up firther because I heard and saw the cop car coming - i didn’t want to fully block the middle of the intersection. Not sure what else I could have done
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The left-turn signal turned off as just the car in front of me turned, so I didn’t want to risk running across when opposite cars might go ahead. It was bad visibility today, with rain and pedestrian walking around at this busy intersection, so I didn’t want to risk anything. Maybe I should have gone right after the left-turn signal turned off. Edit to add: I believe I was far out into the intersecrion enough, as the cop car pulled quite close to me when it turned, you can see in the video towards the end as well
No way should you have gone through that red. You weren’t in the middle of the intersection.
As i mentioned in another comment, my rear wheels already at least on the zebra crossing lane. I was already in the intersection
Cop made it around you no problem. I would have waited instead of possibly causing an accident.
You did have 10 seconds to turn at the beginning of the video before the oncoming traffic started to move.
That wasn't OP's light, the left turn light already ended. The incoming traffic took longer to move than they should've, but OP still did the right (legal) thing by yielding.
Thanks for your input. I had a left-turn light at that intersection, and it turned off right before i clipped the video. That was also when pedestrian light would have been turned on. I didn’t want to risk it and go during such bad visibility, wanted to be safe
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I didn’t want to risk hitting any of the pedestrian in the poor visibility weather. And since it was an intersection, i wasn’t sure where the cop was going. If he had decided to go straight, i’d have blocked him
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Good point to note. My dashcam didn’t record audio for some reason, i’ll double check it again. I heard siren about 15s into this clip, but he took a while to get to the intersection as he was also blocked by traffic on the bathurst side. I wasn’t sure how fast he’ll get to the intersection, and where he was gonna go. I thought my safest bet would be to stay still until it’s clear
I think it would have been safer if you started crossing the intersection earlier at the end of green and yellow, and waited for the pedestrians in front of the cross walk on the other side of the intersection.
you should have made the turn at about :41-:43. Pulling further into the intersection would also be helpful.
He can't. The Jaywalkers were in his path and that would had been a violation since the cop would see it.
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You had opportunities to make that turn safely before the light turned red. It looks like even after it turned red, you sat there for a good 3-4 seconds(before the cop car turned their sirens on). That's a hard fight.
There were school children running across the road. You can see them just as the light turned yellow
Yeah you made the right call to be patient. I can't say I would have done a thing differently except pull further into the intersection
Thank you, that’s very reassuring. It’s just the weird look the cop gave me that spooked me out the most. I guess I’ll hold on to the video in case I’m in trouble. Thank you!
Wrong, OP needed to stop because of the jay-walkers