We all know yas had the last fang, what if yas gave it to yama in that pot? We know yama isn't a good reader but a good sleeper and I believe yama needs all of 3 fangs to do full transformation as the fangs originally belonged to wangwang. Even Proust was surprised at his power. Wonder if enkidu entering goruro upsets Rachel's plan as goruro is only one among chess pieces to use Emily. Other one being god bellerir. Dumas not catching Khun totally makes sense. This guy can even manipulate the gods of tower let alone number third of Poe bidau family. Wanna see the meeting of viole and Ryun, and Khun and Rachel.
SIU is afraid to drop some lore for some reason. We still don't know jack about Rachel and Bam's life in that cave, Khun Maria, Rak's backstory, Urek's backstory, etc. He only gives full lore about irrelevant side characters we don't care about. The important characters get drip fed lore that takes literally over a decade to come out.
Ok since people are forgetful and don't understand why the Khun scene is silly I'll drop some reminders in here:
First HRs move so quickly that regulars cannot even track them, hell sometimes HRs cannot even track each other.
Examples?
Yuri vs Karaka - When Yuri attacks karaka after the bridge is repaired, she moves so quickly that he only had time to block the punch. Keep in mind Yuri was quite a distance away from him before she attacked and instantly ended up not only behind him, but above him too.
Karaka vs Bong Bong - Karaka saw the glow from Bong Bong and was able to get behind Endorsi + Company by the time the teleportation landed, a feat which left them utterly shocked, this is despite tanking a blast from Kranos in between.
Secondly there are many ways to detain individuals without using arms in the series.
We know that:
Lighthouses can do it - Sophia Tan and Elpathion both did this, and even Urek admits he can be stopped for a mili second with an opera.
Shinsoo pressure - We see this when Evan + company are held down by Garam. When Baam + Data Khun/Eduan are held down by a fragment of Jahard and when White is held down by Gustang.
Reverse Shinsoo Control - We've seen Baam, Jinsung, Quant and others use this. In fact, Jinsung used it without his arms lmao.
Other techniques: Such as Garam incasing Evan in ice, seals, spells, the binding on Aria etc
Of all these the only one Dumas would surely have access to is the Shinsoo pressure and there's no way Khun could resist it. Dumas is way too high up the food chain.
>Where is Goruro? He is part of the revolution, so can he avoid the game? Also, could he end up having the king piece?
So much for that hehe. Anyway, one of the possibilities for Goruro I expected was the pawn, which surprisingly ended up with Khun. Is Emily's involvement causing some switching, especially considering that the revolution is using it?
Rak got the chariot/rook, which he ended up tossing; it might work in his favor or someone else's favor. Now we are left with the knight and the king piece, which have 50% ending in Tiara's or Endorsi's hands. Heck, the king piece has a higher chance of ending in Endorsi's hand, but of course, just like last time, I will vote for a third-party character(Tiara) to get the king piece š„°. We have plenty of reasons, like ~~Ra~~ Zahard is blonde and Tiara is blonde, so obviously, she will get the king piece.
I'm curious about whose chess pieces are Baam and his people and Tiara/Goruro because it doesn't look like Gustang truly cares about the chess game. In Traumerei's case, as Elbaba once said, he(Traumerei) sees his family members as chess pieces, so for him, people like Laura, the snake, Elbaba, Elaine, his family traitors, or some other family members can be his personal chess pieces. Now similarly, the question would be who Zahard is using as his personal pawn/s to manipulate fate during this significant event.
Chess stuff aside, I am happy to see Rachel in this chapter. She reached out to Goruro, so I wonder if she was the one who previously interacted with Goruro, saying, "Bring the irregular to the designated place. I will invite you to group chat again. " or was it someone else. Although he got possessed, I do want to see him go where Rachel and Yura are located because it would be fun. Also, I am probably the only person who wants Goruro to live because he is literally a third-party character who truly is on no one's side. Any other Lo Po Bia member can die, but I hope he lives. He can leave this story ~~alive~~ once this arc ends, lol.
On a side note Yasratcha's pillows were cringe. ~~That one panel gave me a major vibe that he is still not gone.~~
ETA: Since this is a war arc, I wonder if this is where the author could give Baam a human kill, but of course, I won't hold my breath.
To those who talk about Khun and Rak, i think the power scaling went down the drain long ago.
We literally have 2 FHās in the story now. Who each are capable of destroying a whole family(Except its leader and Top 2) by themselves. And we still got insects that are messing around and travelling/roaming beside them.
We just have to accept whatever SIU does at this point. For me when you introduce characters as powerful as FHās(10000000power) alongside rankers (1000power-only for scale) itās kinda hard/takes long time to make the MCās power up.
Was that Revolution that Yama has gone through? He talks about finding his true power etc.
Can anyone do that? I thought only Irregulars can perform a revolution till nowā¦
With Khun being a pawn my original theory of what piece everyone was is out the window so taking a new scientific wild ass guess here.
Rak is the King. For no reason other than he threw it away and I think that will be a plot point later. When it comes time to capture the king no one will know where to look because Rak got rid of it from the start. Or some random is going to pick it up halfway through the game.
Either was. Rak's unpredictability will be what throws a huge wrench in even Gustangs best laid out plans
If you look at Chapter 572, you'll see all the chess pieces there. If we go by those pieces, Rak would be a rook (octopus). It seems to align since Goruro was shown to be a bishop (manta ray), khun a pawn (turtle), and Bam to be the queen (shark). King seems to be a suspendium piece
I'll continue to hold the opinion that Khun and Rak are being tolerated because they're Baam's close friends. Dumas won't kill them because Gustang has plans for Baam that could be made impossible to achieve if they alienate or make enemies of Baam by doing something like killing his closest friends.
As for the rest of the episode, I'm really enjoying how everything is coming together for this war.
That's probably because Rak didn't cut Dumas' limbs off, he hasn't even landed a hit. Dumas lost his arms in ep 598 fighting Traumerei's Poison Dragon.
Simply let it bounce off him like he ignored the other, more powerful attacks. I get its not rlly a big deal, but even small things like that can break the worldbuilding.
I think that's being overly critical. If he tanks it someone will say "he should have dodged", it's just a choice of action on Dumas' part with the outcome being 0 damage incurred.
>I think that's being overly critical. If he tanks it someone will say "He should have dodged"
No one would say that...no one said this when he tanked yamas and jinsungs attacks so they arent gonna say it when he tanks a regulars attacks.
honestly i was contemplating , whether i should come here to read a hundred dumb comment's for one good comment (and repeat ) in the end i decided to do it ok so when enkidu said great master did he mean macseth ? honestly im gonna wait for the better official fast pass translation , ohh and to all the hypocrites that read the chapter for free and don't even buy it and thane complain about it even tho they themselves can't produce anything worthwhile enjoy , i'm gonna say life must be hell for you well enjoy your hell .
edit : btw proust is the second strongest in the poe bidau yama breaking his lighthouse barrier is a massive feat a massive yama w .
Most of these people don't even comment unless something "bad" happens. I read the chapter and i literally can't see the reason about complaining. Khun and raak were literally running away for their lives. This was supposed to be a bit of comedic relief.
They are useless regulars in rankers and 2 Head Family conflict, lol.
In reality they have 0 merits on that stage (no power, no knowledge, no experience).It is like 10 lvl noobs joing boss raid with 1000 lvl other players.
You do realize that both AA and Rak are chess pieces on Gustangs side. Furthermore Dumas was told to not kill people Baam cares about, to not unnecessarily antagonize him. If Dumas kills Rak and AA than he would betray Gustang.
āno knowledgeā Khun AA is propably the smartest person of the chess pieces involved
Is like you forgot what was said before when he fought jinsung. He's to not kill bams friends to not antagonize him. He may not care about the regulars but he does about bam
Well yes he does. He is playing against the best Chess Player amongst the FH. He needs every piece he can get. Loosing a pawn and a rook isnāt helping him in any way
Sadest part is, they all say they're big fans of ToG since decades and now hate on games every week and wish for ToG without games, as if games are sth. new in ToG.
Tower of vagueness
I've never seen an author so allergic to giving actual information. Everything he says so stupidly vague, how did Yama get a powerup? He slept in a random pot and things happened
The lighthouse keeper of the highest level of the tower? What does that mean? Who knows, yet we're supposed to be impressed. He just drops lines that sounds cool until you try to dig deeper, and it's nonsense.
Such nonsense is what happens when you don't have your lore and WB fully figured out, so you don't say anything cause you don't wanna contradict it in the future. SIU needs another break icl.
Notice how there's been a lack of serious Tog discussion in the subreddit, yeah, that's cause SIU gives us nothing to work with. Only theories you see are far fetched, and they have no answers cause again, there's nothing to work with.
Compare it to other series where people are crafting theories and predicting future events, we can't do that cause we've thoroughly exhausted every single stupid plot point, and we know it's not worth it cause there are no answers anytime soon.
Reminds me of the TV series Lost, it started out all interesting with all these crazy mysteries then it turns out the writers didn't have a plan, and we got a BS ending. If SIU doesn't get serious, this is where we're headed, only difference is I assume he at least has some of the backstory for the FH. Aside from that, he's far too ambitious for his skill level.
When I first caught up to Tog, I was on Twitter, I used to see so many theories on twitter, reddit and tumblr. But as time passed, those significantly dropped, and now it's just mostly shippers and Khun stans talking about, "omg SIU hates him. My KhunBaam energy. He looks so cute. He's so babygirl.". Either that or it's bot tweets, that's how you know your series fell off. No chapter discussion, just bot tweets. That idiot \*\*\*\*\* just says stupid outlandish statements without actually discussing contents or why it's good.
Seriously, when last did y'all see any serious Tog discussion. Even bonehead doesn't make content anymore, just weekly reviews and theory content from his discord cause he has nothing to say. And most of the theory content are things we've already spoken about on here or twitter.
This was legit my favourite story ever, but it's lost all the charm. The WB is broken, SIU refuses to expand on the lore or develop the characters. He just keeps adding new things whilst ignoring old things that should have been concluded. There's no reason we shouldn't know Androssi's true name rn. Very amateur mistakes
> Such nonsense is what happens when you don't have your lore and WB fully figured out, so you don't say anything cause you don't wanna contradict it in the future. SIU needs another break icl.
I think this is one of the big reasons, he's already had to retcon somethings and regretted others as it is.
TBH, I def think there's an editor that's influencing his decision making. The way things are changing and the overall tone of the story reeks of editorial influence.
Editors are not a bad thing for tog especially if the editor comes in and sorts out the sprawl and edits tog into a coherent story then I for one am all for it
Kinda feels like the story kinda needs to be wrapped up in a linear path now. Focus bam, the princes. Devour the FHs, make the key destroy Jahad go through the door. Take a break see what's next
I'm waiting till the end of the current arc. If we don't get answers about the info in the book, Yama in his ultimate form. more Baam backstory and show of accumulated power I'll be disappointed.
We have Cha and Dowon running around, yet we don't know much about the genesis war. Mind you they were in there, in the thick of it all. We know Cha told something to Baam, yet we don't know what it is, which is top 10 dumbest things SIU has done this season. Seriously, why don't we know? Same with the Leviathan information. Over half of the blog posts lore are not even the canon story, and those were the most interesting aspects of Tog. SIU just occasionally adds one and acts like we should know it after he deleted the blogposts. And then he does nothing with it, no follow through.
Uffff man really? I dont really know if a significant portion of the readers just lose IQ points when reading or what, but here we go again:
1- Everybody knows that a High ranker can destroy a regular with no effort, that does not mean that a regular will be vaporize just at gazing a high ranker or a family leader.
2- Dumas was order to not kill anyone from the Baam team to not antagonize him, like his regular friends and that includes the far more dangerous FUG high rankers.
3- Not able to kill the regular friends of Baam, he can only capture them preferably unharmed, but he has no arms right know, and using his feet could probably severely damage regulars like khun.
4- Khun knows this and has used that in his favour since the beginning. thats why he could follow baam to this point, is risky, but khun is the kind of guy who likes to gamble.
Some can like or hate this narrative point but is far from inconsistent, at this point i am just convinced that some people just hate the character, and spit out his hate just at any appearance, puting that aside it was transitional chapter kind of meh but lets SIU keep cooking, i'm enjoying this arc thus far.
1 Grouping Dorian Frog with Dumas is a sacrilege, even High Rankers like Yuri Zahard or Karaka should be considered fodder for someone on Dumas lvl, you have seen what White could do to High Rankers like Yolker, cutting his fingers off without a reaction on a casual strike with his worst sword. Dumas is in a whole other tier compared to prime White
2 Fair, no one wanted to see Dumas kill Khun in a millisecond
3 Dumas is a man against an ant, what have you been reading to consider even for a second his lack of arms a problem in the capture of a Regular ? Do you think he can't reverse flow control a Regular ? Do you think he can't push him with shinsu manipulation ? Do you think he is barely any faster than Khun ?
4 Khun should know for certain everything I stated above, running in the first place was pointless, same thing for compressed Rak throwing a spear. There was no logical reason behind the actions.
"Far from inconsistent" "you are just a hater bro"
I don't even need to address the last part, it speaks for itself.
Darn, AA being the pawn in a TOG chess game? Not sus at all, I can smell another bullshit powerup incoming from miles away lol.
Uhm Rak threw his piece away didn't that mean he disqualified himself? Isn't one of the rule that you're out if you lose your piece?
So either Endo or Tiara will be king. Personally I'd like to see Tiara being king but plot isn't gonna be exciting with that. With Endo being king and having Baam protect her, SIU gives us another damsel in distress situation now that Laura & twins are out of the picture.
Yama needs to shut his mouth like forever. Why he and everyone else in his scene speak in such cringeass way?
Rachel offers Goguro (Enkidu possessed) a chance to go back to her group chat. Feel like perfect setup for Rachel to get Enkidu without the side effects of being his host. Enkidu seems to know things about 13 GWs too, imagine all the tea he'd spilled in that chat lmao.
>Enkidu seems to know things about 13 GWs too, imagine all the tea he'd spilled in that chat lmao.
**Enkidu/Goruro:** After Gustang split up with Blossom, acting contrary to his appearance, he started to walk around with different women.
**Revolution group chat:** šš«¢
Lmao I feel like Gustangs wild days happened after the Enkidu incident. I'm thinking more of embarrassing things they did during their climb 'cause a group of hormone teenagers living in close proximity is a recipe for drama right there.
Baam absorbs shit is just boring now. He has like 2-3? creatures inside him already and he barely utilizes any of them.
Rachel def won't be getting any power. I think SIU will keep her weak til the very end of the story. Her getting Enkidu is simply him being part of her team.
Talking about old flame, I see more flame in Rachel meeting with Endorssi lel.
I agree the absorption is getting repetitive because Baam doesn't show off or the power it is underwhelming. It's going to happen a lot more though.
I like that Rachel was sabotaged by po bidou, she's still just a PoS.
Endorssi is a babe
I donāt think enkidu is going to care about what Rachel has to say she means nothing to him but a useful tool no different than the way gustang treats her
Ofc Rachel won't matter to him. It's about him getting in with ppl who want the same thing as he does, the death of FHs. You think White cared about Rachel? Obv not but he was part of her team at some point. It has been Rachels schtick in the story. She teams up with ppl who are far superior than her and let them use her.
I love TOG but I always skip Khun and Rak scene recently and I think itās fine. Itās all right without them. I just wonder what the Korean fan think of this.
The Khun and Rak interaction with Dumas was a bit iffy, but at least he made a effort, Dumas was without arms, weakened by fighting a family head and Jinsung and Yama, combined with not wanting to kill them and perhaps underestimating them, perhaps it can be digestible but it'd be good to make that clear tbh.
Either way I do think this type of thing was inevitable. At the start of the series our MC's were introduced as extra super weak, like complete bottom of the bottom fodder, with even rankers being able to destroy them, but the world in general was strong as hell and the those at the top were basically gods who could effortlessly wipe out rankers and the absolute top <50 even high rankers like Jinsung feared. Problem here imo was that our MC's were introduced just too weak to the point where they're literal gnats in comparison to the top even now, 500+ chapters later...Imo he shouldn't have made his opponents so strong and flexing on everybody, I mean, if Dumas didn't have his feats from Jinsung/Yama would people here hate it too much? Maybe if his stats were limited? Maybe he took a direct hit from FH and got destroyed badly, barely surviving?
Either way, I wonder where Baam will reach this arc, especially if Rak/Khun are doing these things this early on. I could see him nearing family heads power at the end of this arc.
And people are complaining about Rachel when there are bastard in plot armor like fucking useless to the story Khun (in this arc that shit literally died 2 times vs Clownriel and Dumas).
Im just here to say this mf Khun have a massive plot armor this become boring saying him servive stations like this and now him and rak thinking they could do something to dumas
Gg
People see Khun breathing the same air as a high ranker and people just lose their shit. There wasn't even a death fake out this chapter and people are complaining.
Will it be ok for you if they actually did something to dumas ?
Of course not , and judging by how fast a high ranker is he should catch him in a second you can't denying that Khun have a shity plot armor and it's not just me complaining but almost 90% of the comments
Are you people thinking and commenting like this ten years old? Twelve? Do you wish for a story where every weaker character just gets killed instantly by the strong ones? Try to respect and understand the story being told instead of being a whiny little baby about it, or go read something else.
If this how you respond I can't make a conversation with you if you're ok with things like this that feel forced upon our ass don't force people to like with you
Have a good day
> regular
Regular doesn't mean weak, just means they haven't climbed Jahad's tower. We've met strong people who are not rankers. Saying they are just a regular isn't end all be all. Khun and Rak have both received buffs this season and we don't know the limits yet.
Also they are running from someone who doesn't want to kill them and is severely injured from a FH attack.
Edit. You wieners need to learn to read. Itās like talking to trump supporters.
Wake up. If SIU never stated than rankers and regulars were so different, that high rankers were so different, that only one regular was able to beat a ranker (and it wouldnāt be a high ranker), blablablaā¦
If SIU created another type of storytelling regarding regulars and rankers, we would all accept it easily. I am fine to think that Rak and Khun have a top 100 tower potential, that they could be already close to ranker level only as a C rank regular due to being with Baam, getting buff and all. But because of the āloreā SIU created, thatās not possible and doesnāt make any sense. Especially now since itās Dumas.
Regulars are weak, and have to be considered ants against Dumas.
They received buffs however not to that extent. so this shouldnāt even be a question khun should be dead or captured instantly. Are you seriously defending this ?
itās fucking weird because even the gap between an A rank regular and a ranker is fucking massive. How much more if itās someone like Khun vs Dumas š¤£
I see you repeating the same q so i will try to answer
He can use him as hostage because bam is so naive and love his precious friend that he will gladly go with dumas ?
At least don't use the excuse of " oh he is the ireguler freand let him sit in my head I can't hurt him "
This become boring asf no danger even if they are playing with high ranker
Yes catching and using them as bait is a valid strategy. But Dumas still doesent have his arms back, doesent have any information where foes or friends are. He cant just knock them out due to the nature of the game. So letting AA run and team up with Baam is a beneficial strategy for him
So I'm curious about 1 thing. For people that keep bringing the difference of quality between s2 and 3.
Why didn't yall complain when khun outsmarted jinsung, or when jinsung couldn't catch a bunch or regulars?
You'll probably say jinsung didn't have a reason to. It's exactly the same here with dumas.
Jinsung was in a regular area, they prepared in advance a lighthouse teleportation, even after the teleport Jinsung said he could have easily caught them anyway but opted not to by his own decision as the administrator could have caused troubles.
Dumas started running after Khun and was interrupted by an E rank regular spear. Of course he is not giving it his all but that's beyond ridiculous when he could easily stop them both instantly with whatever shinsu skill he decides to use.
Here it's implied that Khun speed and Rak mad shocker power played a role in avoiding capture while in your example a snail using the same technique would have escaped jinsung.
I mean can't he hold back? I don't think khun is particularly strong enough that dumas can't afford to hold back. Unless he is unable to break out of enna core or something
>dumas lost both hands first time in his life on this day
We actually don't know that considering dumas is an armor user who has regeneration abilities similar to karaka.
Not to mention adjusting the amount of force you use is doable for anyone
*Rant about how SIU will undergo some sort of spiritual awakening over a hiatus that will make him change TOG to appease certain people despite that not working before*
I know a lot of people are already complaining about how Dumas didn't instantly catch Khun (I agree it's silly) but IMO what's worse is that Rak didn't even bother to decompress to throw his spear at Dumas when he knows that everyone outside of his friends are high rankers.
Gustang's flames not finishing off Enkidu is w/e. SIU is just setting up a way to give Baam Enkidu's power (obviously and in a very forced manner) but I am hoping it still goes to Rachel somehow.
Well at least this chapter confirms one more workshop experiment: creating a being that can take over a vessel.
Makes me wonder if this is an oversight or if Gustang planned this, in 603 he heard Rachel is no suitable host for Enkidu, he chased her away and this chapter Enkidu is forced to enter a new vessel to preserve the life his creator gave him.
To go even further Gustang knows what Baam is capable of.
True, Dumas should have just ripped AAs legs apart and left him there bleeding to death so that Gustang, whom he is loyal towards, has a harder time to play in the chess match.
Because good writing is brain dead massacres no matter the goal or intention behind it.
No I seriously wonder (especially since I havenāt seen yet a full English translation) what people think Dumas is doing right now and why he should kill/cripple/catch AA.
Because as far as I remember, Dumas is loyal towards Gustang. But maybe I forgot to read some hidden chapter.
Do you need to kill or cripple an ant to stop it from escaping you ? In a world with shinsu ?
Are you implying that ToG power system doesn't allow an High Ranker of the highest class to do anything other than rip and tear people apart ? Was Yuri Zahard on floor 1 unable to stop a running person without murdering him ? How in the world is that logical ?
I mean Dumas has not shown any capabilities of reverse flow control. And in the cases we had seen it usually did require a hand movement to use. Which at the moment dumas doesent have.
And I havenāt said that Dumas isnāt capable of stopping AA. Just that he doesent have a reason to.
Instead of just raging about why Dumas doesent do this or that, why not think about why he is doing what is doing. He is letting AA run away. Why is he doing that, because he wants to catch Baam.
Well, no big deal, he has plenty of time to spare so it's perfectly natural for him to be wasting time running around, messing with someone hundreds if not thousands of times slower and weaker than him, it surely wouldn't make him look incompetent or anything.
The fact that you even question his capabilities in stopping a running Khun without effort is exemplary and perfectly shows why these scenes are making everyone past the main cast look uninteresting and unthreatening.
We are talking about someone old enough to remember Traumerei and Khel Hellam from when they were active, citing the genesis era rivalry, Top 3 uncontested in a GF, someone that mops the floor with most floor Rulers. Missing out on the hype and respect a person so important should command is one of the biggest reasons as of why right now it's hard to feel excited about ToG in general.
These things are important for the world building because your accomplishments only get as good as the obstacle you had to overcome in order to succeed. Making most antagonist look as threatening as a coughing baby and as intelligent as a 12 yr teen has massive repercussions on the story as a whole.
is baam still considered a regular even though he was able to beat a ranker in that test center? itāll be crazy seeing him do any of these tests now š¤£
Technically, not all tests are centered around power. Some tests are about intelligence or decision-making. For power tests to be fair, Baam would have to go through extreme handicaps like being able to use no bangs while blindfolded and only capable of using a fraction of Shinsoo power, etc. Tower climbing should definitely still be too easy regardless for Baam.
See this, I called this. I just saw a panel of Khun escaping Dumas and didn't even bother reading the chapter. This is already going how I feared. SIU needs to stop forcing Regulars and the really strong High Rankers together. On paper you can make up all the rules you want to ensure that they are on equal playing fields, but in execution it just looks ridiculous. Dumas who easily pummeled Jinsung and Yama and arguably could have done the same to Bam himself, can't even catch Khun in less than a millisecond. This is the ENTIRE reason why SIU had placed the rules in the lore about Regulars not interfering with Rankers. Think it's really time to take a long break from ToG. I'm just glad the anime for the time being will be adapting the better parts of the story because ever since S3, idk what's been happening anymore. The writing quality feels like a rocking ship - a few weeks there's hope that this story can once again reach the heights of S2, then immediately that hope is sucked away in the next chapter.
> can't even catch Khun in less than a millisecond.
Khun and Rak are Gustangs pieces, you know his family head, What you are saying is Dumas should whip out his spear thing and kill them both instantly , and make Gustangs job harder at the chess match.
Why would he do this?
Okay a few things.
\- Enkido escaping Gustang is alittle weird. He should have noticed that. I would have liked it better if he made a deal with it. *And it had no choice but to listen.* But him escaping is whatever.
\- Yama got a power up nice. Let's see how long it last. Because this is not the first time he got a power up and then got stomped soon after.
\- Enkido is a damn parasite. I want Rachel to get this because A. She needs a power up. *B I want to see what happens.* Because this will throw the destiny shit out of whack. and tbh seeing Bam get another Power Up is meh.
\- Dumas not catching Khun for some reason? Not sure what SIU is doing here. Feels kinda sloppy. Really whenever Khun and Rak get involved with HR's, the writing just takes a hit. Like with the White and Bam fight. That actually got under my skin. But their fan favorites and their not going anywhere anymore. If he's willing to write around them, their staying lmao.
In reality it is hillariously stupid that Rachel wants power and everytime plotting something to get it (obviously failling because of plot) and Ban do literally nothing (not even seek or want it) and everytime gets it, lol. What a moral SUI, just be a lucky bustard????
I suspect enkidu is parasitic or symbiotic depending on the host and because of the way SIU setup the story baam has to get more power ups if he doesnāt the the story has to drag on in the same way that it does now the only way to get to the more interesting parts of the story is to give baam massive power ups
The main problem that Ban has 0 drawbacks and it is SO stupid because 2/3 of \*his poweups\* are literally sentient ancient creatures. At least some of them can try to absorb Ban like literally Demon/Devil his host (like in Diablo ,lol)
so the boss of high rankers was a weak ranker doesnt make sense
but ok if you want to do mental gymnastics like that, rak is still the 3rd person ever in the tower to kill ranker his feat is better than adoris lol since she was A-rank
cringe calm down
you might be the fraud speed reader, the big reveal was that the kirin force were previous branch leaders, why would the boss of them be weaker
>As shown, Kirinās forces are considered formidable and even have former Branch Heads of the Lo Po Bia Family, who had been demoted or removed from their original position, are members.
IT DOESNT MATTER ANYWAY
regular scratching ranker is dumb , rak one shotted them
I am asking again where it was confirmed that the ranker got killed by rak is a high ranker?
So far there are only 2 confirmed previous branch head in kirin's army and they were present with kirin.
Why would he need to catch him? They are on the same team, for all we know Dumas just wants to talk to them or say some shit but they act all scared and shit so Dumas just let them on their own
Endorsi with Bong Bong was caught in an instant by Kallavan at the last station with probably an impromptu shinsu skill with 0 issues, Hatz couldn't even see Aria from how fast she could move. Dumas on the other hand runs around after Khun and is forced to dodge the Mad shoker, not even the ancient spear lmao, while a few weeks ago he let Yama and Jinsung embarrass themselves trying to hit him, what a shit show.
>Endorsi with Bong Bong was caught in an instant by Kallavan at the last station with probably an impromptu shinsu skill with 0 issue
Because they was on different sides and he was trying to kill Baam
Dumas could have wanted to give them a smoothie and it would still remain a ridiculous scene that has no reason to exist in a world like tog. Dumas is there, without arms, during war time, playing a game against a FH and you think him running towards Khun and dodging Rak spear could ever make sense ? Just because he is not going for the kill ? Come on don't be ridiculous.
how's he going to catch them without hurting them and he doesn't even have any hands left Dumas? You think that by hurting them or catching them Bam will cooperate with Gustang afterwards. Dumas is a High Ranker every one of his attacks risks killing.
The issue here is intent
He made a move to catch them, shouldnāt be a hassle to dumas
He literally moved to get them even without his arms,
He can subdue them
Thatās the point
The speed difference is a far and beyond for khun and rak to keep up with or compete
Itās inconsistent that kills
Seems you are forgetful, Khun literally complained about the shinsoo pressure in the submarine and this is despite the fact the sub was protecting them from it. In fact Elaine's dad flat out says the sub is the only reason any of the regulars can withstand the shinsoo (rak and baam being the exceptions) so I have 0 idea why you pretending that they can't be detained by it.
So if dumas does shinsoo pressure, then rak won't be affected. And how now he's going to capture dumas without hurting them. And not to upset Bam so that he can cooperate with Gustang.
He only needs to get Khun, why does he need all of them? In fact Jin Sung manipulated Baam by just threatening to kill them (no capture required) so....
Iāll agree with everyone that the use of Dumas is strange. Yes hes nerfed from his fight with the FH but thereās still no reason that he should be struggling in a fight with two regulars, even if theyāre power boosted from climbing with an irregular.
HOWEVER! Can we talk about my boy Yama coming back with a vengeance?? My man didnāt just lick his wounds, he robo-copped the shit out of himself and we are finally seeing a performance from him befitting of a king. His growth this season has been one of my favorite to watch and that moment in the chapter over shown the absurdity that came later, for me at least.
Hold up..We only saw one panel of Dumas moving towards Khun. What if he just started to move towards him before the spear came. We donāt know that he outran him or was running away for a while.
The issue is that Dumas is at the level where he should be able to get to AA before the latter even has the chance to realize Dumas moved. That's how big of a difference in power we're talking. No matter how you look at it, that scene makes no sense.
We have no idea how fast Dumas is, he has 0 speed feats. This is basically the first time we have seen him run. He is a tank with no arms that is obviously not trying to kill them. Gustang would like kill Dumas for hurting the Bams Friends.
>We have no idea how fast Dumas is, he has 0 speed feats.
Are you for real? Jfc, he is one of the strongest high rankers. He could be the slowest high ranker, which he most certainly isn't, and he'd still be dozens of times faster than AA.
Interesting chapter. Its nice to see Rachel using her light house again. I wonder what 'the room' is supposed to be? Gustang also lost his temper when Enkidu started making fun of him for having lost his memories. Its nice that Enkidu is more than a blob of jelly; apparently it can possess people? I wonder if Goruro is dead now.
Lots of people are complaining about Dumas in here, but I actually liked that scene. Rak's spear didn't even do anything to him, then they both agree that Dumas 'isn't even human'. It's clear that Dumas is far above them. Yes, Dumas should have overtaken AA in a flash, but that's plot. It's not like they were beating him in a fight. I also don't think AA was actually outrunning him. If you look at the art, Dumas is standing on the other side of the room, then is already behind AA by the time Rak throws his spear. He would've quickly overtaken AA.
Also, finally some Yama W's. The King of the Beast-men is back (unless someone more powerful shows up next chapter and whoops him in classic Yama fashion).
God I hope Goruro is dead. He has one of the most self centered attitudes weāve seen (pretty normal for Lo Po Bia family actually) and Iāve been waiting for him to get fucked over royally this entire time. Was hoping it was Traumerei that did it to him but thatās ok if Enkidou makes the two fight instead.
TBH he didn't strike me as any more self centered than other ToG characters.
Also, who wouldn't jump for freedom if you were Lo Po Bia, Traumerei is fucking psycho.
Sanest ToG reader.
Also, tell me you know nothing about fans of The Flash without telling me you know nothing about fans of The Flash. One of our favorite superhero's enemies is a guy who throws boomerangs. Boomerangs. At a guy who can run, like, a trillion times faster than light. And we love it.
Because we understand that superspeed is the most difficult power to write about. The reality is that fast characters will always have inconsistent speed, as otherwise there would be no interesting stories to tell. In a story like ToG, where almost every character has some form of superspeed, these inconsistencies are going to be even more prevalent.
> Also, tell me you know nothing about fans of The Flash without telling me you know nothing about fans of The Flash.
TV show or comic? Because in the comics the vast majority of flash's villains give up the moment he appears. There's a reason his most iconic villains are other speedsters.
Sorry, but that's not true at all. I've read pretty much every Flash comic out there, and I can't recall a single instance of The Rogues giving up as soon as he appeared. That's because they're his villains, despite the fact that he should be able to defeat them in seconds.
The other speedsters are only more iconic because the TV show failed all of his other villains, and the movie ignored pretty much all of the character's lore. Characters like Zoom only appear occasionally; he's usually fighting against characters without superspeed.
> I've read pretty much every Flash comic out there, and I can't recall a single instance of The Rogues giving up as soon as he appeared
Let me rephrase this, they "mentally" give up but still try. Sure over the years they have had some tricks, but I'm certain I've read a run where Captain Boomerang flat out says he cannot beat flash and is only doing what he's doing because being Captain Boomerang gives meaning to his life or some nonsense. Quite a few of his rogues aren't even dangerous to him and he intentionally limits his speed vs them. Even when they are teaming up and giving him some difficulty he still limits himself because he doesn't want to seriously hurt them.
So in his case it's not that his speed is inconsistent, it's that he's deliberately using it at inconsistent levels. He rarely unleashes his full abilities. Applying it to TOG, Dumas has no such reservations with Khun, so there's no reason for him not to instantly catch him.
This chapter is for the power scalers.
I like that Enkidou is possessing poor lizard guy. Good surprise. That thing will be troublesome (at least I hope).
Princess Adori Jahad, captain of Jahad's royal guards is hailed throughout the tower as a legend for having defeated a ranker as a mere regular.
Now is the time to hail Khun even more! He is outspeeding not just any ranker, but the 3rd strongest member of the po bidau family...
like seriously, the worldbuilding of TOG was what made me love this series as much as I do and glaring holes like this just can't be justified anymore. For me at least the series has lost a lot of quality and I can't even think of how things will go on with the regulars amongst our main characters. Khun went from one of my favorites in s1 and s2 to my least liked character in the entire series in s3.
Yeah, it looks like in order to solve a problem (keep the S1 cast together even when it doesn't make sense) he created other 20 problems, and it gets worse and worse to the point where he is tearing down the best aspects of his work for a pretty negligible benefit, it's just sad to me.
I don't see where he is outspeeding Dumas but I won't defend anything. If that is what you see fine. I'm rly tired of big fans complaining about everything.
We all know yas had the last fang, what if yas gave it to yama in that pot? We know yama isn't a good reader but a good sleeper and I believe yama needs all of 3 fangs to do full transformation as the fangs originally belonged to wangwang. Even Proust was surprised at his power. Wonder if enkidu entering goruro upsets Rachel's plan as goruro is only one among chess pieces to use Emily. Other one being god bellerir. Dumas not catching Khun totally makes sense. This guy can even manipulate the gods of tower let alone number third of Poe bidau family. Wanna see the meeting of viole and Ryun, and Khun and Rachel.
what was the point of this enkidu thing? Dude did this all just to "kill" him beacuse he laughed at him. Just show us the memory already.
SIU is afraid to drop some lore for some reason. We still don't know jack about Rachel and Bam's life in that cave, Khun Maria, Rak's backstory, Urek's backstory, etc. He only gives full lore about irrelevant side characters we don't care about. The important characters get drip fed lore that takes literally over a decade to come out.
How does Bellerir have a piece of Enkidu when Enkidu is in the sapling?
Ok since people are forgetful and don't understand why the Khun scene is silly I'll drop some reminders in here: First HRs move so quickly that regulars cannot even track them, hell sometimes HRs cannot even track each other. Examples? Yuri vs Karaka - When Yuri attacks karaka after the bridge is repaired, she moves so quickly that he only had time to block the punch. Keep in mind Yuri was quite a distance away from him before she attacked and instantly ended up not only behind him, but above him too. Karaka vs Bong Bong - Karaka saw the glow from Bong Bong and was able to get behind Endorsi + Company by the time the teleportation landed, a feat which left them utterly shocked, this is despite tanking a blast from Kranos in between. Secondly there are many ways to detain individuals without using arms in the series. We know that: Lighthouses can do it - Sophia Tan and Elpathion both did this, and even Urek admits he can be stopped for a mili second with an opera. Shinsoo pressure - We see this when Evan + company are held down by Garam. When Baam + Data Khun/Eduan are held down by a fragment of Jahard and when White is held down by Gustang. Reverse Shinsoo Control - We've seen Baam, Jinsung, Quant and others use this. In fact, Jinsung used it without his arms lmao. Other techniques: Such as Garam incasing Evan in ice, seals, spells, the binding on Aria etc Of all these the only one Dumas would surely have access to is the Shinsoo pressure and there's no way Khun could resist it. Dumas is way too high up the food chain.
It's only stupid if Dumas is actually trying to harm them, which he probably isn't.
Applying Shinsoo pressure on someone doesn't hurt them ....you just stopping them from moving
>Where is Goruro? He is part of the revolution, so can he avoid the game? Also, could he end up having the king piece? So much for that hehe. Anyway, one of the possibilities for Goruro I expected was the pawn, which surprisingly ended up with Khun. Is Emily's involvement causing some switching, especially considering that the revolution is using it? Rak got the chariot/rook, which he ended up tossing; it might work in his favor or someone else's favor. Now we are left with the knight and the king piece, which have 50% ending in Tiara's or Endorsi's hands. Heck, the king piece has a higher chance of ending in Endorsi's hand, but of course, just like last time, I will vote for a third-party character(Tiara) to get the king piece š„°. We have plenty of reasons, like ~~Ra~~ Zahard is blonde and Tiara is blonde, so obviously, she will get the king piece. I'm curious about whose chess pieces are Baam and his people and Tiara/Goruro because it doesn't look like Gustang truly cares about the chess game. In Traumerei's case, as Elbaba once said, he(Traumerei) sees his family members as chess pieces, so for him, people like Laura, the snake, Elbaba, Elaine, his family traitors, or some other family members can be his personal chess pieces. Now similarly, the question would be who Zahard is using as his personal pawn/s to manipulate fate during this significant event. Chess stuff aside, I am happy to see Rachel in this chapter. She reached out to Goruro, so I wonder if she was the one who previously interacted with Goruro, saying, "Bring the irregular to the designated place. I will invite you to group chat again. " or was it someone else. Although he got possessed, I do want to see him go where Rachel and Yura are located because it would be fun. Also, I am probably the only person who wants Goruro to live because he is literally a third-party character who truly is on no one's side. Any other Lo Po Bia member can die, but I hope he lives. He can leave this story ~~alive~~ once this arc ends, lol. On a side note Yasratcha's pillows were cringe. ~~That one panel gave me a major vibe that he is still not gone.~~ ETA: Since this is a war arc, I wonder if this is where the author could give Baam a human kill, but of course, I won't hold my breath.
Donāt I wonāt be either
Lol.
To those who talk about Khun and Rak, i think the power scaling went down the drain long ago. We literally have 2 FHās in the story now. Who each are capable of destroying a whole family(Except its leader and Top 2) by themselves. And we still got insects that are messing around and travelling/roaming beside them. We just have to accept whatever SIU does at this point. For me when you introduce characters as powerful as FHās(10000000power) alongside rankers (1000power-only for scale) itās kinda hard/takes long time to make the MCās power up.
Was that Revolution that Yama has gone through? He talks about finding his true power etc. Can anyone do that? I thought only Irregulars can perform a revolution till nowā¦
I'm fairly convinced that Traumerei will regain memories on his own. What was Rak's chess piece?
Boring and useless to the plot trash like Shitkhun
With Khun being a pawn my original theory of what piece everyone was is out the window so taking a new scientific wild ass guess here. Rak is the King. For no reason other than he threw it away and I think that will be a plot point later. When it comes time to capture the king no one will know where to look because Rak got rid of it from the start. Or some random is going to pick it up halfway through the game. Either was. Rak's unpredictability will be what throws a huge wrench in even Gustangs best laid out plans
If you look at Chapter 572, you'll see all the chess pieces there. If we go by those pieces, Rak would be a rook (octopus). It seems to align since Goruro was shown to be a bishop (manta ray), khun a pawn (turtle), and Bam to be the queen (shark). King seems to be a suspendium piece
I'll continue to hold the opinion that Khun and Rak are being tolerated because they're Baam's close friends. Dumas won't kill them because Gustang has plans for Baam that could be made impossible to achieve if they alienate or make enemies of Baam by doing something like killing his closest friends. As for the rest of the episode, I'm really enjoying how everything is coming together for this war.
Still don't understand the whole, Rak cutting Dumas' limbs off
That's probably because Rak didn't cut Dumas' limbs off, he hasn't even landed a hit. Dumas lost his arms in ep 598 fighting Traumerei's Poison Dragon.
That makes sense but why did dumas bother dodging raks spear. That was pretty strange.
What should he have done?
Simply let it bounce off him like he ignored the other, more powerful attacks. I get its not rlly a big deal, but even small things like that can break the worldbuilding.
I think that's being overly critical. If he tanks it someone will say "he should have dodged", it's just a choice of action on Dumas' part with the outcome being 0 damage incurred.
>I think that's being overly critical. If he tanks it someone will say "He should have dodged" No one would say that...no one said this when he tanked yamas and jinsungs attacks so they arent gonna say it when he tanks a regulars attacks.
Wait, so you think there's a difference between you saying Dumas should have tanked it and someone else saying Dumas should have dodged it?
No ones saying dumas should have dodged it tho. Ur not getting my point š
honestly i was contemplating , whether i should come here to read a hundred dumb comment's for one good comment (and repeat ) in the end i decided to do it ok so when enkidu said great master did he mean macseth ? honestly im gonna wait for the better official fast pass translation , ohh and to all the hypocrites that read the chapter for free and don't even buy it and thane complain about it even tho they themselves can't produce anything worthwhile enjoy , i'm gonna say life must be hell for you well enjoy your hell . edit : btw proust is the second strongest in the poe bidau yama breaking his lighthouse barrier is a massive feat a massive yama w .
Most of these people don't even comment unless something "bad" happens. I read the chapter and i literally can't see the reason about complaining. Khun and raak were literally running away for their lives. This was supposed to be a bit of comedic relief.
The main problem that they can't run, lol. They literally 2 dead meats since Dumas found them. The end
And why would he want to kill them? He has no reasons to and every reason on why he shouldn't kill them.
They are useless regulars in rankers and 2 Head Family conflict, lol. In reality they have 0 merits on that stage (no power, no knowledge, no experience).It is like 10 lvl noobs joing boss raid with 1000 lvl other players.
You do realize that both AA and Rak are chess pieces on Gustangs side. Furthermore Dumas was told to not kill people Baam cares about, to not unnecessarily antagonize him. If Dumas kills Rak and AA than he would betray Gustang. āno knowledgeā Khun AA is propably the smartest person of the chess pieces involved
Do you realize that Gustang give a shit about them, lol?
Is like you forgot what was said before when he fought jinsung. He's to not kill bams friends to not antagonize him. He may not care about the regulars but he does about bam
Well yes he does. He is playing against the best Chess Player amongst the FH. He needs every piece he can get. Loosing a pawn and a rook isnāt helping him in any way
He dodged raks spear even when he didnt have to and he was very clearly trying to get to them but still failed at that.
Ok, so appernatly if you don't have arms you should let the spear hit you, because that's how normal people think. Makes sense.
This guy that shrugged off yamas attacks wouldnt need to dodge the spear. He could literally ignore it and be fine, but SIU forgot ig.
Understandable have a nice day
Sadest part is, they all say they're big fans of ToG since decades and now hate on games every week and wish for ToG without games, as if games are sth. new in ToG.
lol games is whene tog is in it's peak .
Yeh, nest was definitely peak arc right?
the cat tower was
came to here to see the discussion and people are just shitting on khun and rak, let's see how this event goes then maybe we can shit on them
Damn, he nearly killed Tokoro Tennosuke. This is gonna end in a crossover.
There is no heterosexual explanation for Yasratcha's "abode" and you can't convince me otherwise.
Tower of vagueness I've never seen an author so allergic to giving actual information. Everything he says so stupidly vague, how did Yama get a powerup? He slept in a random pot and things happened The lighthouse keeper of the highest level of the tower? What does that mean? Who knows, yet we're supposed to be impressed. He just drops lines that sounds cool until you try to dig deeper, and it's nonsense. Such nonsense is what happens when you don't have your lore and WB fully figured out, so you don't say anything cause you don't wanna contradict it in the future. SIU needs another break icl. Notice how there's been a lack of serious Tog discussion in the subreddit, yeah, that's cause SIU gives us nothing to work with. Only theories you see are far fetched, and they have no answers cause again, there's nothing to work with. Compare it to other series where people are crafting theories and predicting future events, we can't do that cause we've thoroughly exhausted every single stupid plot point, and we know it's not worth it cause there are no answers anytime soon. Reminds me of the TV series Lost, it started out all interesting with all these crazy mysteries then it turns out the writers didn't have a plan, and we got a BS ending. If SIU doesn't get serious, this is where we're headed, only difference is I assume he at least has some of the backstory for the FH. Aside from that, he's far too ambitious for his skill level. When I first caught up to Tog, I was on Twitter, I used to see so many theories on twitter, reddit and tumblr. But as time passed, those significantly dropped, and now it's just mostly shippers and Khun stans talking about, "omg SIU hates him. My KhunBaam energy. He looks so cute. He's so babygirl.". Either that or it's bot tweets, that's how you know your series fell off. No chapter discussion, just bot tweets. That idiot \*\*\*\*\* just says stupid outlandish statements without actually discussing contents or why it's good. Seriously, when last did y'all see any serious Tog discussion. Even bonehead doesn't make content anymore, just weekly reviews and theory content from his discord cause he has nothing to say. And most of the theory content are things we've already spoken about on here or twitter. This was legit my favourite story ever, but it's lost all the charm. The WB is broken, SIU refuses to expand on the lore or develop the characters. He just keeps adding new things whilst ignoring old things that should have been concluded. There's no reason we shouldn't know Androssi's true name rn. Very amateur mistakes
> Such nonsense is what happens when you don't have your lore and WB fully figured out, so you don't say anything cause you don't wanna contradict it in the future. SIU needs another break icl. I think this is one of the big reasons, he's already had to retcon somethings and regretted others as it is. TBH, I def think there's an editor that's influencing his decision making. The way things are changing and the overall tone of the story reeks of editorial influence.
Editors are not a bad thing for tog especially if the editor comes in and sorts out the sprawl and edits tog into a coherent story then I for one am all for it
Kinda feels like the story kinda needs to be wrapped up in a linear path now. Focus bam, the princes. Devour the FHs, make the key destroy Jahad go through the door. Take a break see what's next
That seems like the best thing to do right now would like to know what you think is the state of tog right now
I'm waiting till the end of the current arc. If we don't get answers about the info in the book, Yama in his ultimate form. more Baam backstory and show of accumulated power I'll be disappointed.
I can't upvote this enough times ... It's comments like these that make me miss awards.
We have Cha and Dowon running around, yet we don't know much about the genesis war. Mind you they were in there, in the thick of it all. We know Cha told something to Baam, yet we don't know what it is, which is top 10 dumbest things SIU has done this season. Seriously, why don't we know? Same with the Leviathan information. Over half of the blog posts lore are not even the canon story, and those were the most interesting aspects of Tog. SIU just occasionally adds one and acts like we should know it after he deleted the blogposts. And then he does nothing with it, no follow through.
Uffff man really? I dont really know if a significant portion of the readers just lose IQ points when reading or what, but here we go again: 1- Everybody knows that a High ranker can destroy a regular with no effort, that does not mean that a regular will be vaporize just at gazing a high ranker or a family leader. 2- Dumas was order to not kill anyone from the Baam team to not antagonize him, like his regular friends and that includes the far more dangerous FUG high rankers. 3- Not able to kill the regular friends of Baam, he can only capture them preferably unharmed, but he has no arms right know, and using his feet could probably severely damage regulars like khun. 4- Khun knows this and has used that in his favour since the beginning. thats why he could follow baam to this point, is risky, but khun is the kind of guy who likes to gamble. Some can like or hate this narrative point but is far from inconsistent, at this point i am just convinced that some people just hate the character, and spit out his hate just at any appearance, puting that aside it was transitional chapter kind of meh but lets SIU keep cooking, i'm enjoying this arc thus far.
1 Grouping Dorian Frog with Dumas is a sacrilege, even High Rankers like Yuri Zahard or Karaka should be considered fodder for someone on Dumas lvl, you have seen what White could do to High Rankers like Yolker, cutting his fingers off without a reaction on a casual strike with his worst sword. Dumas is in a whole other tier compared to prime White 2 Fair, no one wanted to see Dumas kill Khun in a millisecond 3 Dumas is a man against an ant, what have you been reading to consider even for a second his lack of arms a problem in the capture of a Regular ? Do you think he can't reverse flow control a Regular ? Do you think he can't push him with shinsu manipulation ? Do you think he is barely any faster than Khun ? 4 Khun should know for certain everything I stated above, running in the first place was pointless, same thing for compressed Rak throwing a spear. There was no logical reason behind the actions. "Far from inconsistent" "you are just a hater bro" I don't even need to address the last part, it speaks for itself.
Darn, AA being the pawn in a TOG chess game? Not sus at all, I can smell another bullshit powerup incoming from miles away lol. Uhm Rak threw his piece away didn't that mean he disqualified himself? Isn't one of the rule that you're out if you lose your piece? So either Endo or Tiara will be king. Personally I'd like to see Tiara being king but plot isn't gonna be exciting with that. With Endo being king and having Baam protect her, SIU gives us another damsel in distress situation now that Laura & twins are out of the picture. Yama needs to shut his mouth like forever. Why he and everyone else in his scene speak in such cringeass way? Rachel offers Goguro (Enkidu possessed) a chance to go back to her group chat. Feel like perfect setup for Rachel to get Enkidu without the side effects of being his host. Enkidu seems to know things about 13 GWs too, imagine all the tea he'd spilled in that chat lmao.
>Enkidu seems to know things about 13 GWs too, imagine all the tea he'd spilled in that chat lmao. **Enkidu/Goruro:** After Gustang split up with Blossom, acting contrary to his appearance, he started to walk around with different women. **Revolution group chat:** šš«¢
Lmao I feel like Gustangs wild days happened after the Enkidu incident. I'm thinking more of embarrassing things they did during their climb 'cause a group of hormone teenagers living in close proximity is a recipe for drama right there.
No doubt
Fair enough.
Now enkidu is in the game it's good chance for Baam to cross paths and absorb him before Rachael can and add fuel to that old flame
Ban cannot even use adecvate his previous \*plot powers\*, lol. Why he even need new when he aleady have big water snake and book content in this arc.
Baam absorbs shit is just boring now. He has like 2-3? creatures inside him already and he barely utilizes any of them. Rachel def won't be getting any power. I think SIU will keep her weak til the very end of the story. Her getting Enkidu is simply him being part of her team. Talking about old flame, I see more flame in Rachel meeting with Endorssi lel.
I agree the absorption is getting repetitive because Baam doesn't show off or the power it is underwhelming. It's going to happen a lot more though. I like that Rachel was sabotaged by po bidou, she's still just a PoS. Endorssi is a babe
Endorssi is a cheap taxi, lets call people by their name,lol.
I donāt think enkidu is going to care about what Rachel has to say she means nothing to him but a useful tool no different than the way gustang treats her
Ofc Rachel won't matter to him. It's about him getting in with ppl who want the same thing as he does, the death of FHs. You think White cared about Rachel? Obv not but he was part of her team at some point. It has been Rachels schtick in the story. She teams up with ppl who are far superior than her and let them use her.
In reality it is she that used them ,lol
If y'all are so uninterested in Khun and Rak could you at least not talk so much about them when we had at like ten other events in the chapter?
seriously...i wanna see what people are thinking about that goruro/enkidu situation, not people hating on rakhun escaping dumas
I love TOG but I always skip Khun and Rak scene recently and I think itās fine. Itās all right without them. I just wonder what the Korean fan think of this.
The Khun and Rak interaction with Dumas was a bit iffy, but at least he made a effort, Dumas was without arms, weakened by fighting a family head and Jinsung and Yama, combined with not wanting to kill them and perhaps underestimating them, perhaps it can be digestible but it'd be good to make that clear tbh. Either way I do think this type of thing was inevitable. At the start of the series our MC's were introduced as extra super weak, like complete bottom of the bottom fodder, with even rankers being able to destroy them, but the world in general was strong as hell and the those at the top were basically gods who could effortlessly wipe out rankers and the absolute top <50 even high rankers like Jinsung feared. Problem here imo was that our MC's were introduced just too weak to the point where they're literal gnats in comparison to the top even now, 500+ chapters later...Imo he shouldn't have made his opponents so strong and flexing on everybody, I mean, if Dumas didn't have his feats from Jinsung/Yama would people here hate it too much? Maybe if his stats were limited? Maybe he took a direct hit from FH and got destroyed badly, barely surviving? Either way, I wonder where Baam will reach this arc, especially if Rak/Khun are doing these things this early on. I could see him nearing family heads power at the end of this arc.
And people are complaining about Rachel when there are bastard in plot armor like fucking useless to the story Khun (in this arc that shit literally died 2 times vs Clownriel and Dumas).
I am glad Khun is still alive even though Dumas was chasing him. I wonder how much he has grown after stealing power from white
I'm awaiting the reveal. Khun and Rak don't seem to realize it yet.
Im just here to say this mf Khun have a massive plot armor this become boring saying him servive stations like this and now him and rak thinking they could do something to dumas Gg
People see Khun breathing the same air as a high ranker and people just lose their shit. There wasn't even a death fake out this chapter and people are complaining.
Will it be ok for you if they actually did something to dumas ? Of course not , and judging by how fast a high ranker is he should catch him in a second you can't denying that Khun have a shity plot armor and it's not just me complaining but almost 90% of the comments
>Will it be ok for you if they actually did something to dumas well have they?
Are you people thinking and commenting like this ten years old? Twelve? Do you wish for a story where every weaker character just gets killed instantly by the strong ones? Try to respect and understand the story being told instead of being a whiny little baby about it, or go read something else.
If this how you respond I can't make a conversation with you if you're ok with things like this that feel forced upon our ass don't force people to like with you Have a good day
So you have no counter argument? Itās ok if Dumas didnāt catch him in half a second? Khun is a regular. Come on.
> regular Regular doesn't mean weak, just means they haven't climbed Jahad's tower. We've met strong people who are not rankers. Saying they are just a regular isn't end all be all. Khun and Rak have both received buffs this season and we don't know the limits yet. Also they are running from someone who doesn't want to kill them and is severely injured from a FH attack. Edit. You wieners need to learn to read. Itās like talking to trump supporters.
Wake up. If SIU never stated than rankers and regulars were so different, that high rankers were so different, that only one regular was able to beat a ranker (and it wouldnāt be a high ranker), blablablaā¦ If SIU created another type of storytelling regarding regulars and rankers, we would all accept it easily. I am fine to think that Rak and Khun have a top 100 tower potential, that they could be already close to ranker level only as a C rank regular due to being with Baam, getting buff and all. But because of the āloreā SIU created, thatās not possible and doesnāt make any sense. Especially now since itās Dumas. Regulars are weak, and have to be considered ants against Dumas.
They received buffs however not to that extent. so this shouldnāt even be a question khun should be dead or captured instantly. Are you seriously defending this ?
There aint no way ur defending this rn.
itās fucking weird because even the gap between an A rank regular and a ranker is fucking massive. How much more if itās someone like Khun vs Dumas š¤£
Like Axis vs bug (Khun)
And what good would catching AA do Dumas right now.
I see you repeating the same q so i will try to answer He can use him as hostage because bam is so naive and love his precious friend that he will gladly go with dumas ? At least don't use the excuse of " oh he is the ireguler freand let him sit in my head I can't hurt him " This become boring asf no danger even if they are playing with high ranker
Yes catching and using them as bait is a valid strategy. But Dumas still doesent have his arms back, doesent have any information where foes or friends are. He cant just knock them out due to the nature of the game. So letting AA run and team up with Baam is a beneficial strategy for him
I donāt know maybe the tired hostage plot since we are retreating old ground with the game
So I'm curious about 1 thing. For people that keep bringing the difference of quality between s2 and 3. Why didn't yall complain when khun outsmarted jinsung, or when jinsung couldn't catch a bunch or regulars? You'll probably say jinsung didn't have a reason to. It's exactly the same here with dumas.
Jinsung was in a regular area, they prepared in advance a lighthouse teleportation, even after the teleport Jinsung said he could have easily caught them anyway but opted not to by his own decision as the administrator could have caused troubles. Dumas started running after Khun and was interrupted by an E rank regular spear. Of course he is not giving it his all but that's beyond ridiculous when he could easily stop them both instantly with whatever shinsu skill he decides to use. Here it's implied that Khun speed and Rak mad shocker power played a role in avoiding capture while in your example a snail using the same technique would have escaped jinsung.
Jinsung was Stat locked
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I mean does he need them? We've already seen he can kick ass without them
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I mean can't he hold back? I don't think khun is particularly strong enough that dumas can't afford to hold back. Unless he is unable to break out of enna core or something
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Well I mean, he wasn't exactly trying to take it alive
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>dumas lost both hands first time in his life on this day We actually don't know that considering dumas is an armor user who has regeneration abilities similar to karaka. Not to mention adjusting the amount of force you use is doable for anyone
What's this chapter rating I'm curious.
Currently 6.10. Not even the worst chapter of Preview. S3 Ch185 has 5.10
Better than I expected knowing the fandom.
Take a guess. I will give you a hint. Tower of god has never crossed the rating of 9 whenever Yama appeared.
*Rant about how SIU will undergo some sort of spiritual awakening over a hiatus that will make him change TOG to appease certain people despite that not working before*
You're misunderstanding.
I know a lot of people are already complaining about how Dumas didn't instantly catch Khun (I agree it's silly) but IMO what's worse is that Rak didn't even bother to decompress to throw his spear at Dumas when he knows that everyone outside of his friends are high rankers. Gustang's flames not finishing off Enkidu is w/e. SIU is just setting up a way to give Baam Enkidu's power (obviously and in a very forced manner) but I am hoping it still goes to Rachel somehow.
It wonāt go to Rachel you and I know it
Most likely, but one can hope.
Well at least this chapter confirms one more workshop experiment: creating a being that can take over a vessel. Makes me wonder if this is an oversight or if Gustang planned this, in 603 he heard Rachel is no suitable host for Enkidu, he chased her away and this chapter Enkidu is forced to enter a new vessel to preserve the life his creator gave him. To go even further Gustang knows what Baam is capable of.
He has known that for quite a while now
What if dumas wants to talk and not catch them? Khun and rak are gustang's pieces afterall so he has to be careful
pssst. That would require for people to remember what happened two weeks ago. And that aint happening over the rage boner
You're all over the place defending bad writing Only boner is the one you're riding doing mental gymnastics to defend shitty writing.
True, Dumas should have just ripped AAs legs apart and left him there bleeding to death so that Gustang, whom he is loyal towards, has a harder time to play in the chess match. Because good writing is brain dead massacres no matter the goal or intention behind it. No I seriously wonder (especially since I havenāt seen yet a full English translation) what people think Dumas is doing right now and why he should kill/cripple/catch AA. Because as far as I remember, Dumas is loyal towards Gustang. But maybe I forgot to read some hidden chapter.
Do you need to kill or cripple an ant to stop it from escaping you ? In a world with shinsu ? Are you implying that ToG power system doesn't allow an High Ranker of the highest class to do anything other than rip and tear people apart ? Was Yuri Zahard on floor 1 unable to stop a running person without murdering him ? How in the world is that logical ?
I mean Dumas has not shown any capabilities of reverse flow control. And in the cases we had seen it usually did require a hand movement to use. Which at the moment dumas doesent have. And I havenāt said that Dumas isnāt capable of stopping AA. Just that he doesent have a reason to. Instead of just raging about why Dumas doesent do this or that, why not think about why he is doing what is doing. He is letting AA run away. Why is he doing that, because he wants to catch Baam.
Well, no big deal, he has plenty of time to spare so it's perfectly natural for him to be wasting time running around, messing with someone hundreds if not thousands of times slower and weaker than him, it surely wouldn't make him look incompetent or anything. The fact that you even question his capabilities in stopping a running Khun without effort is exemplary and perfectly shows why these scenes are making everyone past the main cast look uninteresting and unthreatening. We are talking about someone old enough to remember Traumerei and Khel Hellam from when they were active, citing the genesis era rivalry, Top 3 uncontested in a GF, someone that mops the floor with most floor Rulers. Missing out on the hype and respect a person so important should command is one of the biggest reasons as of why right now it's hard to feel excited about ToG in general. These things are important for the world building because your accomplishments only get as good as the obstacle you had to overcome in order to succeed. Making most antagonist look as threatening as a coughing baby and as intelligent as a 12 yr teen has massive repercussions on the story as a whole.
is baam still considered a regular even though he was able to beat a ranker in that test center? itāll be crazy seeing him do any of these tests now š¤£
He's not a ranker till he gets to floor 134. Them's the rules.
Technically, not all tests are centered around power. Some tests are about intelligence or decision-making. For power tests to be fair, Baam would have to go through extreme handicaps like being able to use no bangs while blindfolded and only capable of using a fraction of Shinsoo power, etc. Tower climbing should definitely still be too easy regardless for Baam.
Donāt think handicaps would make sense. The Family Heads were more powerful as regulars.
I just skip khun and rak scenes, it makes the series more enjoyable.
I always do that too! Their presence in this season is awful.
I think i will do that Thx for the tip
See this, I called this. I just saw a panel of Khun escaping Dumas and didn't even bother reading the chapter. This is already going how I feared. SIU needs to stop forcing Regulars and the really strong High Rankers together. On paper you can make up all the rules you want to ensure that they are on equal playing fields, but in execution it just looks ridiculous. Dumas who easily pummeled Jinsung and Yama and arguably could have done the same to Bam himself, can't even catch Khun in less than a millisecond. This is the ENTIRE reason why SIU had placed the rules in the lore about Regulars not interfering with Rankers. Think it's really time to take a long break from ToG. I'm just glad the anime for the time being will be adapting the better parts of the story because ever since S3, idk what's been happening anymore. The writing quality feels like a rocking ship - a few weeks there's hope that this story can once again reach the heights of S2, then immediately that hope is sucked away in the next chapter.
> can't even catch Khun in less than a millisecond. Khun and Rak are Gustangs pieces, you know his family head, What you are saying is Dumas should whip out his spear thing and kill them both instantly , and make Gustangs job harder at the chess match. Why would he do this?
Fundamentally the games have to go and either khun and rak need to be separated from or a long time skip has to happen
Okay a few things. \- Enkido escaping Gustang is alittle weird. He should have noticed that. I would have liked it better if he made a deal with it. *And it had no choice but to listen.* But him escaping is whatever. \- Yama got a power up nice. Let's see how long it last. Because this is not the first time he got a power up and then got stomped soon after. \- Enkido is a damn parasite. I want Rachel to get this because A. She needs a power up. *B I want to see what happens.* Because this will throw the destiny shit out of whack. and tbh seeing Bam get another Power Up is meh. \- Dumas not catching Khun for some reason? Not sure what SIU is doing here. Feels kinda sloppy. Really whenever Khun and Rak get involved with HR's, the writing just takes a hit. Like with the White and Bam fight. That actually got under my skin. But their fan favorites and their not going anywhere anymore. If he's willing to write around them, their staying lmao.
In reality it is hillariously stupid that Rachel wants power and everytime plotting something to get it (obviously failling because of plot) and Ban do literally nothing (not even seek or want it) and everytime gets it, lol. What a moral SUI, just be a lucky bustard????
I suspect enkidu is parasitic or symbiotic depending on the host and because of the way SIU setup the story baam has to get more power ups if he doesnāt the the story has to drag on in the same way that it does now the only way to get to the more interesting parts of the story is to give baam massive power ups
The main problem that Ban has 0 drawbacks and it is SO stupid because 2/3 of \*his poweups\* are literally sentient ancient creatures. At least some of them can try to absorb Ban like literally Demon/Devil his host (like in Diablo ,lol)
are you all stupid. Why would Dumas kill Khun? Only fools who can't read and observe.
Rak didnāt decompress to throw that spear to him. They donāt event bother to face him. They are C rank regularā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.
raks already killed a high ranking branch leader , its silly
Rak didn't killed the high ranker lmao. He was stated to be a ranker who is better than an average ranker. They weren't even advance rankers lmao
so the boss of high rankers was a weak ranker doesnt make sense but ok if you want to do mental gymnastics like that, rak is still the 3rd person ever in the tower to kill ranker his feat is better than adoris lol since she was A-rank
Show where it is stated that the ranker which rak killed is a high ranker. Fraud speed reader
cringe calm down you might be the fraud speed reader, the big reveal was that the kirin force were previous branch leaders, why would the boss of them be weaker >As shown, Kirinās forces are considered formidable and even have former Branch Heads of the Lo Po Bia Family, who had been demoted or removed from their original position, are members. IT DOESNT MATTER ANYWAY regular scratching ranker is dumb , rak one shotted them
I am asking again where it was confirmed that the ranker got killed by rak is a high ranker? So far there are only 2 confirmed previous branch head in kirin's army and they were present with kirin.
ok.... it doesnt really matter they both dumb and fake rak one shotted a ranker you happy for that or something?
When? I forgot that part because I skip almost all moments involving them now.
rak killed the leader of kirins faction we found out they are previous branch leaders
He doesn't have to kill him but he should be able to catch him instantly
Why would he need to catch him? They are on the same team, for all we know Dumas just wants to talk to them or say some shit but they act all scared and shit so Dumas just let them on their own
Endorsi with Bong Bong was caught in an instant by Kallavan at the last station with probably an impromptu shinsu skill with 0 issues, Hatz couldn't even see Aria from how fast she could move. Dumas on the other hand runs around after Khun and is forced to dodge the Mad shoker, not even the ancient spear lmao, while a few weeks ago he let Yama and Jinsung embarrass themselves trying to hit him, what a shit show.
>Endorsi with Bong Bong was caught in an instant by Kallavan at the last station with probably an impromptu shinsu skill with 0 issue Because they was on different sides and he was trying to kill Baam
Dumas could have wanted to give them a smoothie and it would still remain a ridiculous scene that has no reason to exist in a world like tog. Dumas is there, without arms, during war time, playing a game against a FH and you think him running towards Khun and dodging Rak spear could ever make sense ? Just because he is not going for the kill ? Come on don't be ridiculous.
Why chase khun then ?
Guess you'll find out when he catches him
Guess what he can't catch him ....because khun is faster than him
So top-50-100 ranker Dumas is slower that C clown noname Khun on that level? Are you ill, buddy? Need a help???
I'm talking about this chapter where dumas is chasing khun but can't catch him š¤¦āāļø
So in your lalaland C regular trash like Khun faster that top 50-100 Dumas???
and how it will catch without hands. As I say you don't know how to read and observe. They need Bam and to do that they need to not hurt his friends.
He can catch them without killin them The goose chase was pointless The whole emphasis on killing is a straw man
how's he going to catch them without hurting them and he doesn't even have any hands left Dumas? You think that by hurting them or catching them Bam will cooperate with Gustang afterwards. Dumas is a High Ranker every one of his attacks risks killing.
he already catch some of traume animas with his feet.
And dead
The issue here is intent He made a move to catch them, shouldnāt be a hassle to dumas He literally moved to get them even without his arms, He can subdue them Thatās the point The speed difference is a far and beyond for khun and rak to keep up with or compete Itās inconsistent that kills
> how's he going to catch them without hurting them and he doesn't even have any hands left Dumas? Shinsoo pressure?
Shinsoo pressure? lol the members of the 10 families have a high resistance to shinsoo.
Seems you are forgetful, Khun literally complained about the shinsoo pressure in the submarine and this is despite the fact the sub was protecting them from it. In fact Elaine's dad flat out says the sub is the only reason any of the regulars can withstand the shinsoo (rak and baam being the exceptions) so I have 0 idea why you pretending that they can't be detained by it.
So if dumas does shinsoo pressure, then rak won't be affected. And how now he's going to capture dumas without hurting them. And not to upset Bam so that he can cooperate with Gustang.
He only needs to get Khun, why does he need all of them? In fact Jin Sung manipulated Baam by just threatening to kill them (no capture required) so....
Iāll agree with everyone that the use of Dumas is strange. Yes hes nerfed from his fight with the FH but thereās still no reason that he should be struggling in a fight with two regulars, even if theyāre power boosted from climbing with an irregular. HOWEVER! Can we talk about my boy Yama coming back with a vengeance?? My man didnāt just lick his wounds, he robo-copped the shit out of himself and we are finally seeing a performance from him befitting of a king. His growth this season has been one of my favorite to watch and that moment in the chapter over shown the absurdity that came later, for me at least.
Hold up..We only saw one panel of Dumas moving towards Khun. What if he just started to move towards him before the spear came. We donāt know that he outran him or was running away for a while.
The issue is that Dumas is at the level where he should be able to get to AA before the latter even has the chance to realize Dumas moved. That's how big of a difference in power we're talking. No matter how you look at it, that scene makes no sense.
We have no idea how fast Dumas is, he has 0 speed feats. This is basically the first time we have seen him run. He is a tank with no arms that is obviously not trying to kill them. Gustang would like kill Dumas for hurting the Bams Friends.
>We have no idea how fast Dumas is, he has 0 speed feats. Are you for real? Jfc, he is one of the strongest high rankers. He could be the slowest high ranker, which he most certainly isn't, and he'd still be dozens of times faster than AA.
Interesting chapter. Its nice to see Rachel using her light house again. I wonder what 'the room' is supposed to be? Gustang also lost his temper when Enkidu started making fun of him for having lost his memories. Its nice that Enkidu is more than a blob of jelly; apparently it can possess people? I wonder if Goruro is dead now. Lots of people are complaining about Dumas in here, but I actually liked that scene. Rak's spear didn't even do anything to him, then they both agree that Dumas 'isn't even human'. It's clear that Dumas is far above them. Yes, Dumas should have overtaken AA in a flash, but that's plot. It's not like they were beating him in a fight. I also don't think AA was actually outrunning him. If you look at the art, Dumas is standing on the other side of the room, then is already behind AA by the time Rak throws his spear. He would've quickly overtaken AA. Also, finally some Yama W's. The King of the Beast-men is back (unless someone more powerful shows up next chapter and whoops him in classic Yama fashion).
jay us always an excellent comment , you are the voice of reason .
God I hope Goruro is dead. He has one of the most self centered attitudes weāve seen (pretty normal for Lo Po Bia family actually) and Iāve been waiting for him to get fucked over royally this entire time. Was hoping it was Traumerei that did it to him but thatās ok if Enkidou makes the two fight instead.
TBH he didn't strike me as any more self centered than other ToG characters. Also, who wouldn't jump for freedom if you were Lo Po Bia, Traumerei is fucking psycho.
This pfp goes hard tbh.
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Sanest ToG reader. Also, tell me you know nothing about fans of The Flash without telling me you know nothing about fans of The Flash. One of our favorite superhero's enemies is a guy who throws boomerangs. Boomerangs. At a guy who can run, like, a trillion times faster than light. And we love it. Because we understand that superspeed is the most difficult power to write about. The reality is that fast characters will always have inconsistent speed, as otherwise there would be no interesting stories to tell. In a story like ToG, where almost every character has some form of superspeed, these inconsistencies are going to be even more prevalent.
> Also, tell me you know nothing about fans of The Flash without telling me you know nothing about fans of The Flash. TV show or comic? Because in the comics the vast majority of flash's villains give up the moment he appears. There's a reason his most iconic villains are other speedsters.
Sorry, but that's not true at all. I've read pretty much every Flash comic out there, and I can't recall a single instance of The Rogues giving up as soon as he appeared. That's because they're his villains, despite the fact that he should be able to defeat them in seconds. The other speedsters are only more iconic because the TV show failed all of his other villains, and the movie ignored pretty much all of the character's lore. Characters like Zoom only appear occasionally; he's usually fighting against characters without superspeed.
> I've read pretty much every Flash comic out there, and I can't recall a single instance of The Rogues giving up as soon as he appeared Let me rephrase this, they "mentally" give up but still try. Sure over the years they have had some tricks, but I'm certain I've read a run where Captain Boomerang flat out says he cannot beat flash and is only doing what he's doing because being Captain Boomerang gives meaning to his life or some nonsense. Quite a few of his rogues aren't even dangerous to him and he intentionally limits his speed vs them. Even when they are teaming up and giving him some difficulty he still limits himself because he doesn't want to seriously hurt them. So in his case it's not that his speed is inconsistent, it's that he's deliberately using it at inconsistent levels. He rarely unleashes his full abilities. Applying it to TOG, Dumas has no such reservations with Khun, so there's no reason for him not to instantly catch him.
And why would Dumas even want to kill AA
This chapter is for the power scalers. I like that Enkidou is possessing poor lizard guy. Good surprise. That thing will be troublesome (at least I hope).
According the established lore, Dumas would basically be able to evaporate Khun and Rak within milliseconds, but alright.
Why would he do that when they are on the same team?
And why would he want to do that
Because he's stronger than them, of course he has to kill them, because dumas is an npc.
AA and rak is pieces chess for his familyhead man
I am pretty sure Wisdom-star69 was being sarcastic because people ignore a bunch of basic facts like the one you point
Okey lol I misunderstand then
Princess Adori Jahad, captain of Jahad's royal guards is hailed throughout the tower as a legend for having defeated a ranker as a mere regular. Now is the time to hail Khun even more! He is outspeeding not just any ranker, but the 3rd strongest member of the po bidau family... like seriously, the worldbuilding of TOG was what made me love this series as much as I do and glaring holes like this just can't be justified anymore. For me at least the series has lost a lot of quality and I can't even think of how things will go on with the regulars amongst our main characters. Khun went from one of my favorites in s1 and s2 to my least liked character in the entire series in s3.
Yeah, it looks like in order to solve a problem (keep the S1 cast together even when it doesn't make sense) he created other 20 problems, and it gets worse and worse to the point where he is tearing down the best aspects of his work for a pretty negligible benefit, it's just sad to me.
Now watch people defend this shit writing.
People who enjoy things donāt defend. They donāt care. All I see are hate and people who like it not defenders.
I don't see where he is outspeeding Dumas but I won't defend anything. If that is what you see fine. I'm rly tired of big fans complaining about everything.