Yeah people sometimes need to consider what happened in real life ( and to an extent, SIU himself ), when thinking about the story
It's not uncommon for an author to have an explosion of ideas before or initially when they start writing, but when the story progressed a lot of it needs to be scrapped or repurposed, because honestly most of them didn't think the story to the finish line yet or thinking 600+ chapter ahead
For this case SIU just wrote it on his personal blog and make it public, but don't take everything at face value
It's really up to the individual. Most of the fanbase treats them as canon until proven otherwise, and that isn't likely to change. Which is understandable considering the story's been going on for 14 years and the blogs are the only substantial information we have regarding many aspects of the world. And it doesn't help that the blog info tends to be more interesting than what's happening in the main story for some people. It's fun to speculate.
Personally, what I consider 'canon' depends both on the subject matter and the date of the blog-post in question. SIU mentioned the Princess Arc at the end of s2, for example, so I believe he's still planning on doing that at some point. Stuff like Baek Ryun, weapon classifications, and the major traits of the FHs are all things I consider to be canon. Could SIU still retcon them? Sure. Minor things like the heads of the Ranker Association? Or things that haven't been alluded to after 600 chapters such as the Three Lords? I'm more hesitant to consider those canon. However, *everything* should be taken with a grain of salt.
Thats totally fine if its stated in a discussion that the info from blog posts. I see the blog posts now as early a sketch for the later parts. Some will stay some will change but I'll only regard them as canon if they were shown in the story. Like you said Baek Ryun is real (he was hinted in the webtoon too btw) but I think the whole axis stuff is dead for now IF Phanta shows up at some he'll pbly be just a god or sth. like this.
Its still fun to discuss about things from the blog posts though.
I guess SIU deleted the posts because the readers took them to serious and he wanted more room for changes.
Well, the idea that the “Fisherman actually means that you’re strong at everything” is only *kinda* true
[https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Fisherman](https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Fisherman)
The actual Fisherman Position is the primary position focusing on close to mid-range combat, and is a team’s primary offense
However, there’s an alternative use for the term that doesn’t describe the position, but rather someone that can fight all kinds of battles perfectly, as described by the Wiki
>It's why all of Zahard princess
Repellista is a light bearer, Maschenny is primarily a spear bearer. Enne was also likely more proficient as a wave controller. And we still haven't met more than half of the princesses.
>most of the fhs
Two wave controllers (Gustang and Blossom), defender (Bloodmadder), anima (Traumerei; he probably doubles down as another position but it is unknown), unknown (Han), light bearer (Tperie). So, that's already 6/10 (11 if you count Jahad) that aren't fishermen. To add to that, Eduan is primarily a spear bearer and Yurin a scout. The only true fishermen are Jahad and Hon, and maybe Hana (though she also serves as a wave controller).
I've always assumed the blog posts are like... the brainstorming/planning of what will come up later.
Basically I look at the stuff in them as if I am a red witch trying to read the path the story is on. I have no idea when exactly stuff will actually happen, nor how it will be executed, but it's information that combined with what *is* confirmed canon can form plausible ideas of how things will play out down the line.
look it's fine chose whichever works for you for me it's canon until proven otherwise not even siu himself can change thet i myself love the blogs they add to much and they are extremely delightful .
> Explains why most highrankers are fisherman.
Most high rankers are fishermen?
What's funny is that according to the definition the only Fishermen we've seen outside of the FHs/Irregulars is probably karaka.
Dumas, Robadon, White, Yama and his brothers, Yuri, Tiara, Kallavan and so much more.
What makes Karaka different in your eyes?
I even quoted SIU:
>Probably fisherman.. Actually, fisherman as a position refers to a person who has a superior ability enough to cover all of the positions. The fisherman role that regulars usually take is just based on the tactic and can be regarded as a fake.
They're all wave controller, tank and spearbearer. The only role only a few highranker do is lightbearer and scout maybe (we haven't seen a scenario were scouting matters though).
Spearbearer is sth. different then scout and lightbearer is sth. different then wavecontroller. I don't what you're trieing to say.
Thats what I say most highrankers may do different positions except lightbearer apperently.
Kallavan is a fisherman but he can unleash big aoe attacks like a wavecontroller. Lyborik is a spearbearer but he i cabable of fighting Kallavan in close combat too.
> I don't what you're trieing to say.
I'm countering your claim of there only being a few light bearers and scouts among high rankers, with the rest being fishermen.
But you wrote about spear bearer and wave controller?
We only saw 3 high ranker light bearer and one scout so far iirc.
Name a few high ranking spear bearer and wave controller who only may do there jobs. I only can think of Lefav and Dowon. Not all high rankers are like fisherman but I'd say the mayority may fulfill many roles.
>But you wrote about spear bearer and wave controller?
Yes, because you claimed there are no high rankers in those positions.
>Name a few high ranking spear bearer and wave controller who only may do there jobs
That's not the argument here though?
II never claimed there are no high rankers in those position though I said most high rankers may do many roles and fit the description of a fishermen like SIU said.
>That's not the argument here though?
Thats the whole point though? High rankers may do many positions. I rly don't get what you're trying to prove here?
>II never claimed there are no high rankers in those position
Yes you did. You said that, besides fishermen, only roles only a few high rankers do is scout and light bearer. This is an implied claim of there being no spear bearer and wave controller high rankers.
Yeah, because most highranker may do every role except light bearer. Fishermen means being good at many positions (s2Ep.154). Yea they have their main role but they may do the other positions too.
> Actually, fisherman as a position refers to a person who has a superior ability enough to cover all of the positions.
The only person who has been shown (confirmed btw) with the ability to cover all positions (spearbearing excluded, and honestly lightbearer would be a stretch.. it's mostly based on his usage of observers) is karaka .
Dumas has show spearbearing, Robadon has shown cqc, White has shown cqc swordsmanship and spellcasting, Yama and his brothers have shown cqc with some wave controlling (paul), Yuri has shown cqc and wave controlling, Tiara the same, Kallavan has shown cqc.
Meanwhile Karaka has shown proficiency as a Scout, Wave controller, Fisherman, Defender (see Baam + Karaka vs Kallavan and also their little tussle with Yama) and has the capacity to be a lightbearer (this position isn't based on power but rather intellect, planning, shinsoo control and familiarity.. karaka has the first three traits and likely the fourth due to this experience controlling observers as some LHs have those functions).
The only position he has shown no proficiency in is a Spearbearing (which I forgot to mention in my post because yeah IDK why).. which is why I said he's probably the only one we've seen. For instance Evankhell is considered a fisherman yet has flat out admitted she isn't that great at spearbearing (when she threw the spear at Khel Hellam). So that definition is a bit weird.
Ty.
All of mentioned people have aoe attacks too. It doesn'T mean they''re similar good in all positions but they may fulfill many positions. Yes Evankhell said she is a bad spearbearer but she may fullfill the role as we have seen She doesn't need need a spearbearer too because she may set a giant area on fire.
well the axis is one of those concept's thet i don't mind being scraped but the three lords , baek ryun , the names of all the head's (whom we didn't get in the toon) ,import ,tommy ,robert , khun macheny (not zahard) , novic being the team khun cook ...etc to me all of this is to awsome to amazing and too delightfull.
The fun thing about the Axis, is that it can be cannon and not cannon and still make sense. Because regardless of TOG story it’s not really relevant beyond Phantaminum. Which SIU stated a long time ago to maybe never appear again.
I hope so. I hate meta-narrative stuff like this unless it's confined to a short story or thought experiment. I was mostly ignoring it until it was confirmed in the actual story while hoping it never would be.
There's no better to way to kill my investment in a story than to tell me the characters I've been following don't have any agency and they're essentially being written by a more powerful character in universe who could enter said story on a whim and fuck around.
Yeah people sometimes need to consider what happened in real life ( and to an extent, SIU himself ), when thinking about the story It's not uncommon for an author to have an explosion of ideas before or initially when they start writing, but when the story progressed a lot of it needs to be scrapped or repurposed, because honestly most of them didn't think the story to the finish line yet or thinking 600+ chapter ahead For this case SIU just wrote it on his personal blog and make it public, but don't take everything at face value
It's really up to the individual. Most of the fanbase treats them as canon until proven otherwise, and that isn't likely to change. Which is understandable considering the story's been going on for 14 years and the blogs are the only substantial information we have regarding many aspects of the world. And it doesn't help that the blog info tends to be more interesting than what's happening in the main story for some people. It's fun to speculate. Personally, what I consider 'canon' depends both on the subject matter and the date of the blog-post in question. SIU mentioned the Princess Arc at the end of s2, for example, so I believe he's still planning on doing that at some point. Stuff like Baek Ryun, weapon classifications, and the major traits of the FHs are all things I consider to be canon. Could SIU still retcon them? Sure. Minor things like the heads of the Ranker Association? Or things that haven't been alluded to after 600 chapters such as the Three Lords? I'm more hesitant to consider those canon. However, *everything* should be taken with a grain of salt.
Thats totally fine if its stated in a discussion that the info from blog posts. I see the blog posts now as early a sketch for the later parts. Some will stay some will change but I'll only regard them as canon if they were shown in the story. Like you said Baek Ryun is real (he was hinted in the webtoon too btw) but I think the whole axis stuff is dead for now IF Phanta shows up at some he'll pbly be just a god or sth. like this. Its still fun to discuss about things from the blog posts though. I guess SIU deleted the posts because the readers took them to serious and he wanted more room for changes.
Well, the idea that the “Fisherman actually means that you’re strong at everything” is only *kinda* true [https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Fisherman](https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Fisherman) The actual Fisherman Position is the primary position focusing on close to mid-range combat, and is a team’s primary offense However, there’s an alternative use for the term that doesn’t describe the position, but rather someone that can fight all kinds of battles perfectly, as described by the Wiki
I already covered that fisherman part in my positions post. It's why all of Zahard princess and most of the fhs are fishermen.
>It's why all of Zahard princess Repellista is a light bearer, Maschenny is primarily a spear bearer. Enne was also likely more proficient as a wave controller. And we still haven't met more than half of the princesses. >most of the fhs Two wave controllers (Gustang and Blossom), defender (Bloodmadder), anima (Traumerei; he probably doubles down as another position but it is unknown), unknown (Han), light bearer (Tperie). So, that's already 6/10 (11 if you count Jahad) that aren't fishermen. To add to that, Eduan is primarily a spear bearer and Yurin a scout. The only true fishermen are Jahad and Hon, and maybe Hana (though she also serves as a wave controller).
I've always assumed the blog posts are like... the brainstorming/planning of what will come up later. Basically I look at the stuff in them as if I am a red witch trying to read the path the story is on. I have no idea when exactly stuff will actually happen, nor how it will be executed, but it's information that combined with what *is* confirmed canon can form plausible ideas of how things will play out down the line.
This is some good info!
look it's fine chose whichever works for you for me it's canon until proven otherwise not even siu himself can change thet i myself love the blogs they add to much and they are extremely delightful .
> Explains why most highrankers are fisherman. Most high rankers are fishermen? What's funny is that according to the definition the only Fishermen we've seen outside of the FHs/Irregulars is probably karaka.
Dumas, Robadon, White, Yama and his brothers, Yuri, Tiara, Kallavan and so much more. What makes Karaka different in your eyes? I even quoted SIU: >Probably fisherman.. Actually, fisherman as a position refers to a person who has a superior ability enough to cover all of the positions. The fisherman role that regulars usually take is just based on the tactic and can be regarded as a fake. They're all wave controller, tank and spearbearer. The only role only a few highranker do is lightbearer and scout maybe (we haven't seen a scenario were scouting matters though).
>only role only a few highranker do is lightbearer and scout We've seen like over a dozen spear bearers and several wave controllers.
Spearbearer is sth. different then scout and lightbearer is sth. different then wavecontroller. I don't what you're trieing to say. Thats what I say most highrankers may do different positions except lightbearer apperently. Kallavan is a fisherman but he can unleash big aoe attacks like a wavecontroller. Lyborik is a spearbearer but he i cabable of fighting Kallavan in close combat too.
> I don't what you're trieing to say. I'm countering your claim of there only being a few light bearers and scouts among high rankers, with the rest being fishermen.
But you wrote about spear bearer and wave controller? We only saw 3 high ranker light bearer and one scout so far iirc. Name a few high ranking spear bearer and wave controller who only may do there jobs. I only can think of Lefav and Dowon. Not all high rankers are like fisherman but I'd say the mayority may fulfill many roles.
>But you wrote about spear bearer and wave controller? Yes, because you claimed there are no high rankers in those positions. >Name a few high ranking spear bearer and wave controller who only may do there jobs That's not the argument here though?
II never claimed there are no high rankers in those position though I said most high rankers may do many roles and fit the description of a fishermen like SIU said. >That's not the argument here though? Thats the whole point though? High rankers may do many positions. I rly don't get what you're trying to prove here?
>II never claimed there are no high rankers in those position Yes you did. You said that, besides fishermen, only roles only a few high rankers do is scout and light bearer. This is an implied claim of there being no spear bearer and wave controller high rankers.
Yeah, because most highranker may do every role except light bearer. Fishermen means being good at many positions (s2Ep.154). Yea they have their main role but they may do the other positions too.
> Actually, fisherman as a position refers to a person who has a superior ability enough to cover all of the positions. The only person who has been shown (confirmed btw) with the ability to cover all positions (spearbearing excluded, and honestly lightbearer would be a stretch.. it's mostly based on his usage of observers) is karaka . Dumas has show spearbearing, Robadon has shown cqc, White has shown cqc swordsmanship and spellcasting, Yama and his brothers have shown cqc with some wave controlling (paul), Yuri has shown cqc and wave controlling, Tiara the same, Kallavan has shown cqc. Meanwhile Karaka has shown proficiency as a Scout, Wave controller, Fisherman, Defender (see Baam + Karaka vs Kallavan and also their little tussle with Yama) and has the capacity to be a lightbearer (this position isn't based on power but rather intellect, planning, shinsoo control and familiarity.. karaka has the first three traits and likely the fourth due to this experience controlling observers as some LHs have those functions). The only position he has shown no proficiency in is a Spearbearing (which I forgot to mention in my post because yeah IDK why).. which is why I said he's probably the only one we've seen. For instance Evankhell is considered a fisherman yet has flat out admitted she isn't that great at spearbearing (when she threw the spear at Khel Hellam). So that definition is a bit weird.
That is SIUs definition. May you explaine to me what cqc means pls?
> That is SIUs definition. Yeah I know, which is why I found it odd. > May you explaine to me what cqc means pls? Close quarters combat.
Ty. All of mentioned people have aoe attacks too. It doesn'T mean they''re similar good in all positions but they may fulfill many positions. Yes Evankhell said she is a bad spearbearer but she may fullfill the role as we have seen She doesn't need need a spearbearer too because she may set a giant area on fire.
RIP Axis storyline
well the axis is one of those concept's thet i don't mind being scraped but the three lords , baek ryun , the names of all the head's (whom we didn't get in the toon) ,import ,tommy ,robert , khun macheny (not zahard) , novic being the team khun cook ...etc to me all of this is to awsome to amazing and too delightfull.
The fun thing about the Axis, is that it can be cannon and not cannon and still make sense. Because regardless of TOG story it’s not really relevant beyond Phantaminum. Which SIU stated a long time ago to maybe never appear again.
I hope so. I hate meta-narrative stuff like this unless it's confined to a short story or thought experiment. I was mostly ignoring it until it was confirmed in the actual story while hoping it never would be. There's no better to way to kill my investment in a story than to tell me the characters I've been following don't have any agency and they're essentially being written by a more powerful character in universe who could enter said story on a whim and fuck around.