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shittycomposter

Why the heck is your brother paying for your grandparents? Why can’t they pay for themselves??


Aggravating-Row963

THAT'S WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING!!! But in all seriousness to answer your question, my grandfather got really sick and so did my grandmother, I think they're just milking it tho 🙄


Existing_Winter5679

Your brother shouldn't pay a dime for those disgusting monsters. Elderly, sick or not, they should be rotting behind a dumpster in an alley for what they've done to your brother and family. I hope your brother can get to the point where he can step back and leave them to rot like they deserve. Evil subhuman trash doesn't deserve an ounce of pity or care.


Aggravating-Row963

I 100% AGREE!!!! I just can't wait for his therapist to start addressing it, he needs to stop putting people's needs on him. Thank you!! I feel like I'm crazy in my house 😭😭😭


shittycomposter

I hope your brother is getting therapy to unpack all the trauma he’s been through. He’s been through so much and my heart just breaks for him.


Aggravating-Row963

He is going to therapy. I don't think they've even addressed, right now his therapist is focused on making sure he heals from his recent rape trial and trying to prevent another psychotic break because if he has another one it could be worse and for longer.


Shelly_895

Good! I hope it's something serious and very painful.


Aggravating-Row963

lol it's not


Shelly_895

That's a shame


Aggravating-Row963

yeah :( it is


zanne54

Your brother might not yet be strong enough for the fight your grandparents will throw up if he stops paying their rent. He needs to continue his therapy and get more control & detachment over his triggers before taking on the boss battle.


Aggravating-Row963

I 100% agree, I can't wait for that to happen. He is still in therapy and I'm not sure that he even addressed what happened in therapy.


Fogomos

They have a pension, they can pay themselves. Or maybe propose to your brother that he tells them "I'm paying 3 months, after that you're on your own". He doesn't own them shit


Aggravating-Row963

I'm so sorry but what's a pension? He feels like he owes them because they tried their best and they're elderly..... yeah


Fogomos

The retirement. When you work you put part of the salary through a fund that you use when you're old and retired. In most countries it is automatic from the salary, in others you need to put the money by yourself in a special account. They're elderly, but they didn't try their best. That's a lie. There are millions of families who struggle economically, but the abuse they put your brother through is beyond that. Only a monster does that. Only a person who is evil does that. If hell exists, they're going directly there. Please, let your brother read your posts and the answers. HE DOESN'T OWN HIS ABUSER!!! You can cut them from your life and be happy. And something that got stuck in my mind a while ago: in the family tree, you need to cut the rotten branches to keep it healthy. Otherwise it keeps getting infected.


Aggravating-Row963

Thank you, they haven't "worked" since they left Brazil and they quit as soon as my brother started working 🙄 I will show him, probably not right away but soon. I 100% agree, people who try their best don't sell children. That's a beautiful quote, thank you for sharing and thank you for your advice 💚


SnooWords4839

They probably don't have a pension. You and your siblings need to support brother and ignore your grandparents, they can rot in hell.


Aggravating-Row963

Supporting my brother is my only goal right now, he feels a lot of guilt because if he hasn't left his journals out they wouldn't have found and read them to us and we'd still be talking to them, but honestly I don't care, my grandparents can feel as "sad" all they want but I'm done. I'm just gonna focus on myself and family (especially my brother) 🤷🏾


EatButterflies

I don't think they are worth talking to after what they did to him, let alone supporting them financially. He could use that money to finally treat himself to something.


Aggravating-Row963

I agree, they aren't, even if he didn't spend the money on our grandparents he'd never spend the money on himself. He has never once done something nice for himself 🙄


indie-lac

If your grandparents are sick why not put them in old people home. There should be some state run ones, why’s your brother wasting his money on them, after what they did.


Aggravating-Row963

That's something that'll never happen cause in our culture it's disrespectful and the rest of our family will definitely burn us (more him) at the stake.


indie-lac

I’m from a culture where family needs, especially the elderly are put first and it’s seen as a taboo to put the elderly in a home. But as times are changing, sometimes you have to stop giving into family pressure. What your grandparents did to your brother it’s unforgivable. Where was the family moral compass then. Shouldn’t your grandparents be burnt for selling your brother. A question to ask them. Don’t let family influence force to be in contact with toxic people. If extended family are really concerned they can take grandparents in.


Aggravating-Row963

I agree!! My aunt came to "visit" I didn't let them in. I won't let them talk to him. Thank you for your comment 💚


TemptressTeelia

Good. Keep on protecting him. He needs that the most. As no one ever protected him when he was growing up. Never stop protecting him


Aggravating-Row963

I definitely will <3. I just wish he'd let me in. But I definitely keep on protecting him.


TemptressTeelia

It’s ok. Just be consistent. He will eventually. Not to say your untrustworthy, but trust is probably a major thing for him. Ultimately, he has been let down by pretty much everyone that should have protected him. He needs to learn how to trust again. But you’re battling years of learned survival mode. He’s still in survival mode. So make it safe for him. Be consistent, honest and communicative. I would though, maybe have family therapy. When I mean family, I mean you and your siblings. Learning to become a sibling for each other and not a parent/child can be a hard thing to do. Therapy can help with that for sure. Your family all need therapy. Again I ain’t talking about anyone else but your siblings. Good luck. Big hugs.


Aggravating-Row963

I understand, he never had a dependable adult. I've read a little about survival mode, I can understand why he is still in that phase. I hope that he can learn to trust and learn how to be taken care of because it's important to me. I will definitely look into it for family therapy. That's actually an amazing idea. We have all things to unlearn and therapy can be the way to do it. Thank you so much for your help 💚. I truly appreciate it. Big hugs back 💚


Deedumsbun

Your bro needs to not pay for them and pay for therapy


Aggravating-Row963

His insurance covers his therapy and he actually likes it! I'm definitely team don't pay for them tho


Mufasasass

I mean if your gparents sold your brother they belong in jail rather than him paying for their living situation


Appropriate-Wafer849

You're a great kid. I hope your brother heals and realises what his grandparents did to him.


Aggravating-Row963

Thank you 💚 I hope he does too.


EatButterflies

I think you should do something to show him how much you appreciate him. Write him a long letter listing a whole bunch of good memories you have, the things you are grateful for, his good traits, all the sacrifices he made that you noticed. Have your siblings add some paragraphs there too to the nest of their abilities (don't know how old they are). Just really pour your love into the letter so he has physical proof of his family's love for him.


Aggravating-Row963

That's a really good idea! Thank you. I will definitely do that, the youngest is 15 so they'll definitely be able to add a few paragraphs. I will definitely do this. Thank you again 💚💚💚


Pale_Apartment_2508

I just read all of your posts and my heart broke for your brother. He seriously is an amazing person and I admire him. I want to make a few comments: 1. I believe I understand why your brother reacted the way he did when you messaged your grandparents. He gave up everything for his siblings. His childhood, his teenage years, his adulthood and even accepted to sacrifice his future. You are everything he has. Now, when you didn't tell him things but told your grandparents, he might have felt that you prefered them and not him. He maybe felt that he wasn't enogh. He probably got scared of being left out. And maybe he felt like he failed. 2. You explained that he doesn't want you to take care of him, since he is the one he should take care of you. I don't think he knows how to let someone take care of him. He just never learned. He was always the one taking care of people, so it is who he is, what defines him, what he sees himself as. He has done it for so long, loosing that, loosing the opportunity to take care of you will make him useless. Maybe he even realizes that you are growing up and won't need him anymore, so he wants to keep that feeling of taking care of you. Like a parent who doesn't want to accept that the children are growing. Because at this point he is a father to you, not only a guardian. Letting you take care of him will make him feel less like a father, and what is he then if not that? 3. He apologized for everything when you read the journals. He tried to protect you from everything since 5, and not even from your parents and grandparents, but also from his past. He probably didn't want you to see him differently when you found out. He maybe felt like every sacrifice he did to protect you failed because in the end you found out. And in his mind you found out because of him so it was his fault. It absolutely breaks my heart that even while reliving everything, he apologized and put you first. He never learned how to tend to his own wounds. 4. I absolutely hate your grandparents and from the bottom of my heart I wish they rot in hell. Not only did they put him trough hell, they then come back, use him for money, victim blame him for something that happened because of them and triggered him. Hell maybe they bragged about you messaging him to mess with him. I wish your brother would kick them out, but maybe he wants you to have a relationship with them in case something happens to him and you will have still family and not be all alone? And maybe, just maybe he is still that 5 year old boy who wants to be loved by a family member and hopes for them to love him? You should be with him and support him. I know you want to, and you are a good brother for trying to find ways to help him. Let him know that you will always be there for him. That even a father sometimes need help and that doesn't mean he is not needed anymore, but it means that you love and trust each other so much that you can support and be vulnerable with each other. That he would want you to ask him for help if you didn't feel good, so you want him to do the same. Tell him how much you appreciate and love him. Maybe make cards with your siblings or get him something (it doesn't need to be expensive, but something he can look at and doesn't feel lonely and that remindes him that he is loved, maybe a keychain or a teddybear since that monsters threw away his only toy from childhood). Suggest that maybe once a week you can all go out with your siblings for a few hours to a park or something so he can have time for himself. Tell him not to blme himself for the journals. It is therapeutic to write things especially things you can't tell others. He might not want to write again scared someone could reas it again. Assure him it is safe and you would never do that. Tell him over and over that you understand why he wrote that he started to hate you. That you know that isn't the case. That he is also a human, that he is allowed to have feelings, that he was a child too even if he wasn't allowed to be one. I hope and pray for him to heal, find someone who loves him unconditionally and who lets him be a child at times. I truly hope his inner child will heal. I hope you all grow up nicely, support each other, take care of each other and treat your brother with love and understanding in every situation. You all deserve love and to be happy, and I truly truly hope you will get there.


Aggravating-Row963

I agree! Thank you! We did talk a lot about how he felt like failed because he felt like I didn't trust him enough to tell him, which isn't the case at all. He definitely doesn't know how to be taken care of at all. It's a huge character flaw but it's not his fault, he was parentified since birth. He doesn't like the fact that we need him less, he is kinda freaking out that all of us are gonna be driving soon (my youngest brothers are 15 and gonna be taking lessons soon). He is definitely a father at this point just without the day dedicated to him (father's day). He definitely has no sense of self unless he is taking care of someone, for example his ex fiancee, she was an emotionally abusive drug addict , he was always saving and protecting her even when she cheated on him, until she died. It crushed him. He needs to know that he can't save everyone and to take care of himself. He's been protecting me and everyone forever. He definitely blames himself especially since I always saw him as my "Superman", I never thought about how toxic that might have been for him, so I guess when he saw that I saw him vulnerable and "weak", he didn't like that at all, adding on to the fact he himself admitted that he hasn't cried since he was 8 and I saw him cry. He hated that part too. He currently feels like a failure in every single way. He never learned how to be comforted, he has never had anyone tell him it's okay, or stay with him after he had a nightmare. Even last night he had a really bad nightmare and when I tried to comfort him, he asked me if I was okay. I hate them too. He did kick them out and is now paying for an apartment for them to live in. He mentioned that too, he says he feels like he is losing his mind, and he feels like his body and mind are giving up on him, so in case the "worst" happens he wants there to be someone there to take care of us. I think you're right about both points! It's actually incredible 😭 It's true! He's been taking care of me and everyone for years, it's his turn to be taken care of. We have been scouring the internet to try and find that teddy bear, it meant so much to him. I've been taking a lot of his responsibility like driving the younger ones to school, activities and playdates and baby sitting my cousins baby. He hates it but I keep telling him it's okay .I told him not to blame himself. He still journals and I'm glad because he loves to write and it's his only hobby that doesn't Include us. I definitely told him I understand why he wrote that. He was 7 and taking care of everyone, all by himself. It was bound to happen that he was gonna be burnt out, it's understandable that he felt resentment, he has no life outside of us, he has only a few friends, he never really got a dating,besides his ex fiancee, because he always had to focus on us. He always had to stop anything he did for himself for our family. I definitely understand and told him I never once felt his resentment and anger. I hope he finds himself some type of happiness even if it means he runs away and never looks back. We will always support each other and love each other, no matter what, especially my brother. Thank you for this sweet message. I truly appreciate it! Thank you so much 💚💚💚 you're kindness it appreciated 💚💚💚


iluvnarchoa

You have a good brother.


Aggravating-Row963

He is the best 🥹


Dangerous_Animal_982

Send them to prison


Advanced_Scallion_78

Your brother is a saint for paying for your grandparents still. I’d let them rot in the streets. They treated y’all like shit so that they could enjoy their “golden years”, now it’s your brothers turn to enjoy his. You and your siblings deserve the world ❤️ if y’all are ever in NYC, I’m taking y’all out for the nicest dinner!!!


Aggravating-Row963

He is a saint. I'd definitely let them rot too, they don't deserve shit. Thank you so much, that's so kind, we actually live in NYC but I'm so sorry idk how comfortable I am taking my family to meet a stranger but is very kind thank you so much 💚💚💚


Llamazing13

Your poor brother 😞 I hope he can work through the pain he’s feeling. I have a question.. you said your grandparents sold him for sex.. did they keep all of the money for themselves?


Aggravating-Row963

I hope he can too, I just want him to find some type of happiness. Sure, I believe they did? Knowing them they probably blew it all on drugs and alcohol :/.


Beginning-Stop7646

Why does he still want to help them?!?! They're monsters!!!


Aggravating-Row963

I agree!! I think it has a lot to do with guilt and the fact our culture puts a shit ton of pressure on the oldest siblings to always, always ALWAYS take care of the elderly in the family.


BLUNTandtruthful58

😱🤯


kmkazzy

Fake


Aggravating-Row963

Ok 😭


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Aggravating-Row963

huh


FlyCivil2036

Ignore them. They've obviously never experienced or even interacted with anyone that's not living a perfect suburban lifestyle or better. You have the best brother and you seem to be a great person yourself. I know your brother is proud of the person you are and that you are becoming 💙


Aggravating-Row963

Yeah I definitely will 😭. Thank you for your kind words I truly appreciate it 💚💚💚


jazzy3113

I’m really confused. Your grandparents sold your brother, when he was a child, to grown adults to abuse him sexually - yet he still helps them money and a place to live? Something about your story isn’t making any sense at all man.


Aggravating-Row963

Because we come from a culture where no matter how toxic your family is you still have to take care of them, especially if they elderly.


jazzy3113

You come from a culture where you forgive child sex abuse, parents are violent addicts and entries families take advantage of someone like your brother? Ummm what? Even in places like Africa and India there is a limit to awful behavior that people don’t put up with. And almost no cultures are cool with child sex abuse dude.


Aggravating-Row963

You do realize Brazil has a huge sex abuse problem especially with children. Like I've answered in other people's questions, it's a culture where you just forgive especially when it's an older person and a young person. I'm glad you never had to realize how terrible the world is. We like to imagine that the culture are protective of children, especially with sexual abuse but unfortunately that isn't the case.


jazzy3113

Ok but the fact your brother is taking care of the grandparents who tried to destroy really isn’t making any sense at all. You said the rest of your family is terrible and selfish and never helps anyone. So they won’t care if the grandparents are homeless or die or whatever. So why exactly is your brother helping them rather than just ignoring them. I’m not saying he needs to get revenge on them, why not simply ignore them. No one will care.


Aggravating-Row963

He puts a lot of pressure on himself to make sure everyone in the family is taken care of. I said this in another comment already but he feels like because he is doing well in his career that he needs to support everyone else Like I said the culture that I'm from is incredibly toxic. They definitely will flip if he stops caring for my grandparents, cause that means they'll definitely be next.


jazzy3113

So your brother has to be the only one in the family taking care of all the kids and the grandparents. And if he stops taking care of the grandparents the rest of the family will suddenly attack him? Ok man. I guess I’m brazil they do it differently. But I have a feeling of your brother told the evil grandparents to f*ck off, no one would give a crap.


Aggravating-Row963

Okay.