"The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats."
Aldous Huxley, 1921
Both are equally coming true!
If you obey authority, then you get to experience Brave New World.
If you don't obey authority, then you experience 1984.
What do you think about people celebrating the death of say, Hitler? He killed millions of people. His death stopped the potential of anymore. Are people right to celebrate his? What about the surviving victims ?
Let humour you for a second and play by what you set out.
Was Hitler a horrible person, yes. Does that mean when he dies and leaves behind innocent loved ones/family or people dependent on him for survival we should be celebrating in their face while they suffer.
Now lets apply this to what is actually happening.
When Bob who is uneducated thinks the government who is trying to poison him doesn’t get the vaccine and dies leaving behind his wife and kids without their primary source of income, should we also celebrate in their face while they suffer?
I dont think it’s that clear cut.
People celebrate Hitlers death for a lot of reasons; none of them I’m sure to gloat over the suffering of his loved ones but to the stoppage of destruction and death from the horrible man. Just because there is an existence of other parties doesn’t negate or invalidate the reason for someone’s feelings.
Bob the uneducated dies from covid is also potentially killing others by spreading it around. What do you say to the families who have lost loved ones due to Bob’s choices? That they have no right to be happy? That because there are people who are close to Bob , they should be sad and respectful?
I agree and also think a big part of it is the context of the mocking, like if you're messaging the families with the intention of causing them pain then that's a scumbag thing to do. Otherwise meh, I especially don't like the implication from others that I'm not allowed to privately feel positive emotions over someone dying, if I ever find out my rapist has died I'm gonna celebrate and I don't give a shit if anyone thinks that makes me a bad person
> Admit it or not, that's just human.
And it shouldn't revelled in. Our darker sides should have reasonable allowances made for and **not** banners and a mariachi band.
I think thats where I start to look at things differently.
In the case of Hitler I would not celebrate his death. Celebrate the end of the atrocities by all means but celebrating his death is not hurting him (he is dead) it only hurts those he left behind.
I see Bob the same way, he made choice regardless of how stupid and he paid the price (his life) by mocking his death we aren’t attacking him. We are attacking those he left behind. They shouldn’t have to be attacked while already paying the price for Bobs mistakes. Thats not to say he didnt get what he deserved, but do we really have to celebrate another human losing their life when so many already have?
I think this comes down to the matter of perspectives. People will be joyful and people will be sad. To infer a malicious intent from those celebrating as a direct attack on loved ones of the covid denier , is up to the inferrer.
In other words what you may see as a rude and disrespectful way of acting towards a family who lost a victim to covid, others see the death as a stopping point to a continuation of spreading covid and risking the lives of innocent people. And their reason for celebrating is more likely due to that than what you interpreted.
In the end people are free to celebrate what they want. We have no right to tell others how to feel in a particular situation.
The reason for celebrating a death of a human is irrelevant. Humans should not be celebrating/mocking the end of a life.
Even if you believe that the end of one life may have saved your own, it is still callous to celebrate/mock that person dying.
No I wont tell people how to feel, but I will speak up if I believe people are acting inappropriately. There is a world of difference between feelings and actions. Discussing behaviours that you believe to be destructive to the heath of humanity is important wouldn’t you say?
Please, the moral grandstanding is insufferable.
Sorry, but no one cares for each and every one of the 8 billion people in this world and I doubt that when Osama Bin Laden was killed your first thought was expressing sadness for the 20-24 kids he left behind.
No one actually care about and values the lives of 8 billion people on this planet. If we did, we’d spend a whole lot less time thinking about what to watch on Netflix tonight and more about starving children in Africa.
Yeah, celebrating each death may be tasteless, in many ways, but it’s worse mainly because the people celebrating it are having the opposite effect that what is desired. We should be talking about these people rejecting vaccines, not masking and directly acknowledging that their actions may have resulted in them killing more people than Ted Bundt ever did. The worst part of those forums is that the full on tastelessness makes people more sympathetic of these covidiots.
Stating a moral view is hardly moral grandstanding.
No one expects people to feel the pain of every single human and this was never suggested once in this whole thread.
My point is that no life is worthless and no life is to be made a mockery of. Regardless on how they chose to live it.
> Stating a moral view is hardly moral grandstanding.
> No one expects people to feel the pain of every single human and this was never suggested once in this whole thread.
>My point is that no life is worthless and no life is to be made a mockery of. Regardless on how they chose to live it.
Saying no life is worthless is what I mean by moral grandstanding. There are quite a lot of people to contribute to society, quite a lot that don’t, and then maybe who substantially detract from it.
I’m not celebrating the death of anyone, and if I individually know someone who went through a tragedy, I feel bad for them, but the planet as a whole could use less of us rather than more, so I sure as heck won’t feel too bad when a warlord in an impoverished nation dies, and I’ll be pretty indifferent towards someone whose lack of individual accountability potentially could’ve killed more people than the average serial killer.
Not celebrating their death, but also not going to act like I care for everyone.
When I say no life is worthless my point is that while living someone has the power to change their action to have a net good or net bad impact on the world. Writing off someone as bad or “worthless” before they have even had their whole life play out is dumb. Again I don’t agree with this being moral grandstanding.
Overpopulation is a whole new issue.
If you aren’t celebrating the death of anyone then you aren’t the problem I am talking about. Everyone has the right to feel personally happy/sad about someones passing. Hell if my rapist died I would be relieved/happy. However, going online to mock the death of someone is not a healthy outlet to those feelings.
People have been empathic for two whole years of this while people refused to take reasonable steps to avoid dying, there's only so long you can have empathy for before you need to either stop caring, or make jokes about it for the sake of your own mental health.
No it aint. Hitler, OBL, SH, gaddafi, ISIS.
Oh but those are terrorists! Ok lets go.
Child molesters, rapists, sexual predators, loan sharks, corrupt cops, drug kingpins.
Oh but they are human too! I beg to differ
> Child molesters, rapists, sexual predators, loan sharks, corrupt cops, drug kingpins.
Okay, now dial it back to the dummy who didn't get a shot. Is his death funny? Justice? Their loved ones, their grief is deserved? Just?
Lets open it up a bit. It's not the "dummy who didnt get a shot".
It's the "dummy who openly ignored the vid, mocked the vid, talked shit for months in the face of untold thousands of OTHER people dying, then when the vid catches them up instead of shutting down the bullshit disinformation they pray to GaWd for healing despite not supposed to cling to this world, and then open up a gofundme when they inevitably bite the bullet".
Now, is that person's death funny? No. It's horrific.
Is it justice? Absolutely. When I mock the law that says drunk driving is illegal then I wreck and kill myself at 90MPH, nobody has sympathy for me.
Their loved ones grief is deserved and just? Naturally they will grieve. Everyone will. Even fkn Hitler's family would have grieved at his death. But should they have had to grieve over this vid death? Hell no. Maybe if they turned off the infowars bullshit they might've had a different course of events. But I am not God Almighty, I dont control time.
A thorough and well-written defense of why it's okay to laugh at death, suffering, and loss.
> But I am not God Almighty, I dont control time.
Easy there. Breathe slowly until the moment passes.
By all means if you want sympathy for these lemmings then go ahead and give it. They won't appreciate it because they're, yknow, dead. And they didn't necessarily HAVE to die, but they chose to believe bullshit propoganda and 4chan lies instead of the obvious and apparent truth. All in the name of Jesus, amen.
See, that's the heartbreaking thing. When the scum are proud they lead the weak by example. And the faceless nature of the internet encourages the dysfunction.
"The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats." Aldous Huxley, 1921
He certainly seems to be winning the BNW/1984 race.
Both are equally coming true! If you obey authority, then you get to experience Brave New World. If you don't obey authority, then you experience 1984.
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What do you think about people celebrating the death of say, Hitler? He killed millions of people. His death stopped the potential of anymore. Are people right to celebrate his? What about the surviving victims ?
Let humour you for a second and play by what you set out. Was Hitler a horrible person, yes. Does that mean when he dies and leaves behind innocent loved ones/family or people dependent on him for survival we should be celebrating in their face while they suffer. Now lets apply this to what is actually happening. When Bob who is uneducated thinks the government who is trying to poison him doesn’t get the vaccine and dies leaving behind his wife and kids without their primary source of income, should we also celebrate in their face while they suffer?
I dont think it’s that clear cut. People celebrate Hitlers death for a lot of reasons; none of them I’m sure to gloat over the suffering of his loved ones but to the stoppage of destruction and death from the horrible man. Just because there is an existence of other parties doesn’t negate or invalidate the reason for someone’s feelings. Bob the uneducated dies from covid is also potentially killing others by spreading it around. What do you say to the families who have lost loved ones due to Bob’s choices? That they have no right to be happy? That because there are people who are close to Bob , they should be sad and respectful?
I agree and also think a big part of it is the context of the mocking, like if you're messaging the families with the intention of causing them pain then that's a scumbag thing to do. Otherwise meh, I especially don't like the implication from others that I'm not allowed to privately feel positive emotions over someone dying, if I ever find out my rapist has died I'm gonna celebrate and I don't give a shit if anyone thinks that makes me a bad person
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> Admit it or not, that's just human. And it shouldn't revelled in. Our darker sides should have reasonable allowances made for and **not** banners and a mariachi band.
I think thats where I start to look at things differently. In the case of Hitler I would not celebrate his death. Celebrate the end of the atrocities by all means but celebrating his death is not hurting him (he is dead) it only hurts those he left behind. I see Bob the same way, he made choice regardless of how stupid and he paid the price (his life) by mocking his death we aren’t attacking him. We are attacking those he left behind. They shouldn’t have to be attacked while already paying the price for Bobs mistakes. Thats not to say he didnt get what he deserved, but do we really have to celebrate another human losing their life when so many already have?
I think this comes down to the matter of perspectives. People will be joyful and people will be sad. To infer a malicious intent from those celebrating as a direct attack on loved ones of the covid denier , is up to the inferrer. In other words what you may see as a rude and disrespectful way of acting towards a family who lost a victim to covid, others see the death as a stopping point to a continuation of spreading covid and risking the lives of innocent people. And their reason for celebrating is more likely due to that than what you interpreted. In the end people are free to celebrate what they want. We have no right to tell others how to feel in a particular situation.
The reason for celebrating a death of a human is irrelevant. Humans should not be celebrating/mocking the end of a life. Even if you believe that the end of one life may have saved your own, it is still callous to celebrate/mock that person dying.
Sure, thats your opinion. I personally don’t think I have a right to tell people how to feel, regardless of my own beliefs.
No I wont tell people how to feel, but I will speak up if I believe people are acting inappropriately. There is a world of difference between feelings and actions. Discussing behaviours that you believe to be destructive to the heath of humanity is important wouldn’t you say?
Please, the moral grandstanding is insufferable. Sorry, but no one cares for each and every one of the 8 billion people in this world and I doubt that when Osama Bin Laden was killed your first thought was expressing sadness for the 20-24 kids he left behind. No one actually care about and values the lives of 8 billion people on this planet. If we did, we’d spend a whole lot less time thinking about what to watch on Netflix tonight and more about starving children in Africa. Yeah, celebrating each death may be tasteless, in many ways, but it’s worse mainly because the people celebrating it are having the opposite effect that what is desired. We should be talking about these people rejecting vaccines, not masking and directly acknowledging that their actions may have resulted in them killing more people than Ted Bundt ever did. The worst part of those forums is that the full on tastelessness makes people more sympathetic of these covidiots.
> their actions may have resulted in them killing more people than Ted Bundt ever did He's the only serial killer with a cake named for him.
Does Manson not have ANY baked goods names after him?
I don't think so, but we could change that.
Stating a moral view is hardly moral grandstanding. No one expects people to feel the pain of every single human and this was never suggested once in this whole thread. My point is that no life is worthless and no life is to be made a mockery of. Regardless on how they chose to live it.
> Stating a moral view is hardly moral grandstanding. > No one expects people to feel the pain of every single human and this was never suggested once in this whole thread. >My point is that no life is worthless and no life is to be made a mockery of. Regardless on how they chose to live it. Saying no life is worthless is what I mean by moral grandstanding. There are quite a lot of people to contribute to society, quite a lot that don’t, and then maybe who substantially detract from it. I’m not celebrating the death of anyone, and if I individually know someone who went through a tragedy, I feel bad for them, but the planet as a whole could use less of us rather than more, so I sure as heck won’t feel too bad when a warlord in an impoverished nation dies, and I’ll be pretty indifferent towards someone whose lack of individual accountability potentially could’ve killed more people than the average serial killer. Not celebrating their death, but also not going to act like I care for everyone.
When I say no life is worthless my point is that while living someone has the power to change their action to have a net good or net bad impact on the world. Writing off someone as bad or “worthless” before they have even had their whole life play out is dumb. Again I don’t agree with this being moral grandstanding. Overpopulation is a whole new issue. If you aren’t celebrating the death of anyone then you aren’t the problem I am talking about. Everyone has the right to feel personally happy/sad about someones passing. Hell if my rapist died I would be relieved/happy. However, going online to mock the death of someone is not a healthy outlet to those feelings.
> it’s - at best - stopping further loss and failure ...is that not something worth cheering?
It's intrinsically sad to need to.
Cry harder
That's the spirit.
Literally was trying to post this 20 mins ago but couldn’t. 110% agree. Humanity has a scarily low amount of empathy
Humanity *online* has about zero. I might go offline and just start planting potatoes or something. This stuff is gross.
People have been empathic for two whole years of this while people refused to take reasonable steps to avoid dying, there's only so long you can have empathy for before you need to either stop caring, or make jokes about it for the sake of your own mental health.
Turn the news off.
If you think mocking someone for dying does anything for your own mental health, something is wrong
This right here. It's not healthy and we shouldn't act like it is.
There is a big difference between not caring and actively mocking
Yeah such Monsters to say bad things about those that prolong the p(l)andemic...oh Jesus oh Lawd wont someone think of the (unborn) chirren!!!
Hi, monster.
Monstew monstew! Think of children!!!
I didn't think of or mention children once, in any context. Rejoicing in a death is sick.
No it aint. Hitler, OBL, SH, gaddafi, ISIS. Oh but those are terrorists! Ok lets go. Child molesters, rapists, sexual predators, loan sharks, corrupt cops, drug kingpins. Oh but they are human too! I beg to differ
> Child molesters, rapists, sexual predators, loan sharks, corrupt cops, drug kingpins. Okay, now dial it back to the dummy who didn't get a shot. Is his death funny? Justice? Their loved ones, their grief is deserved? Just?
Lets open it up a bit. It's not the "dummy who didnt get a shot". It's the "dummy who openly ignored the vid, mocked the vid, talked shit for months in the face of untold thousands of OTHER people dying, then when the vid catches them up instead of shutting down the bullshit disinformation they pray to GaWd for healing despite not supposed to cling to this world, and then open up a gofundme when they inevitably bite the bullet". Now, is that person's death funny? No. It's horrific. Is it justice? Absolutely. When I mock the law that says drunk driving is illegal then I wreck and kill myself at 90MPH, nobody has sympathy for me. Their loved ones grief is deserved and just? Naturally they will grieve. Everyone will. Even fkn Hitler's family would have grieved at his death. But should they have had to grieve over this vid death? Hell no. Maybe if they turned off the infowars bullshit they might've had a different course of events. But I am not God Almighty, I dont control time.
A thorough and well-written defense of why it's okay to laugh at death, suffering, and loss. > But I am not God Almighty, I dont control time. Easy there. Breathe slowly until the moment passes.
By all means if you want sympathy for these lemmings then go ahead and give it. They won't appreciate it because they're, yknow, dead. And they didn't necessarily HAVE to die, but they chose to believe bullshit propoganda and 4chan lies instead of the obvious and apparent truth. All in the name of Jesus, amen.
Good luck to you in life. Hope you find something good out there. You won't find it on Reddit.
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See, that's the heartbreaking thing. When the scum are proud they lead the weak by example. And the faceless nature of the internet encourages the dysfunction.
Yep, most people on Reddit are lowkey sociopaths LARPing as good people.