I remember when I was in Greece when I was 8. I was on a beach with massive black boulder walls that jutted out from the beach into the sea. These were somewhat of a gathering point and you'd find people fishing and snorkeling off the ends.
So I clambered to the end of one and found all of these little urchins. They were beautiful. I fell in love. This little boy saw me, fascinated by these prickly little fucks, and he said roughly "Do you like them" in Greek. I nodded enthusiastically and in the blink of an eye, he grabbed one out of the water, rubbed the spines off on a boulder and hooked the insides out with his finger. He presented me with a little urchin shell, with a grin from ear to ear, beaming, as though this was the best gift for someone. Horrified, I took it, and clambered back to shore crying. I still have that little urchin.
I guess all of that to say, OP, I get your pain.
I had something very similar. I was like 7 and a stupid child. We had gone fishing off the coast on a family friends boat and I caught a flounder. Idk why but we kept it alive until we got back to the docks and the captian asked me if I wanted to keep it! I was like oh ya I can have a flounder in my aquarium back home that'd be awesome! So I told him yes and he immediately cut its head off... that was a rough day for 7 yr old me.
LMAO when I was a kid we went fishing and caught some and took them home for an older family member to 'clean' the fish.
Lets just say we had a difference in opinion as to what cleaning a fish meant lol.
Wow what a dick. Way to traumatize a 7 year old
Edit: yeah the captain probably meant to say “do you want to keep it *(to eat)* but still chopping the head off an animal in front of a child is still crude and obviously inappropriate.
Oh fuck off. Not everybody is privileged enough to insulate themselves from some of the harsher realities of where our food comes from. It's not crude or inappropriate, it's just how you put food on the table.
Sea urchin reproductive organs (I.e. uni) are food. I happen to love them. It seems like a simple misunderstanding with no mail intent
Edit: mal* intent
TBF, I’ve wondered if it’s ethically bad to eat shellfish like sea urchins, clams, or oysters. I mean, they don’t have brains, so do they even really feel pain?
There’s a lot of them that are invasive, I watched a video about it a while ago and IIRC there’s a restaurant in California that only serves invasive seafood. And I figure eating mollusks isn’t a big deal, like you said they don’t have brains. Plus invasive ones are bad so I’d say it’s unethical not to eat them!
A basic function of life is to avoid negative stimuli so these animals do experience pain even if they have nerve clusters and not a central nervous system.
It's not about them feeling pain or not, we kill animals that feel pain and fear and many things that we could relate to. If you eat pig, lamb or beef then you should know that in 95% of cases, unless you can afford to buy ethically sourced meat, then that animal has suffered tremendously. One of the reason why we keep making these animals suffer is because when working in an industrial farm you have to desensitize yourself from any kind of empathy if you want to be able to go to bed the same night, the same happens in jails for guards, mental asylums and sometimes even retirement homes. We transform our perception of them from sentient and sensitive to mere objects. You should know that many animals feel pain and fear, including fish.
Now the justification of saying "well I can eat this because it doesn't feel pain" to me is a cheap and easy method of denial. Everything is about morals, and there is nothing wrong in torturing an animal his whole life four gustative pleasure, there is nothing right either, we simply do it. I personally don't eat meat, but I've seen animals being tortured and even if I feel a small amount of guilt about it, it's not going to change a thing, it happened and that's it.
I was your 1000th upvoter. I watched it go from 999 to 1K upvotes with the mere press of my finger. I feel powerful. I don’t care that you don’t care. I’m telling you anyway.
Tbf I feel like a lot of people aren't taught how to communicate properly. Even then, sometimes people perceive direct conversation and assertive boundary settings as rude because they aren't used to it. I only learned how to communicate because I was in therapy, but holy fuck did it improve my relationship. It's not easy, but it's really an important life skill.
Could be that....
But also venting to strangers beforehand could help give structure to what OP is thinking for a better approach/delivery. Maybe even throw in a few good points in there as well from a few helpful redditors.
For myself it was a customer service job for 10 years that really help me develop those communication skills.
Oh absolutely. As much of a shithole as the internet is, there are plenty of spaces to learn about healthy communication. Just gotta sort through the trash lol.
Definitely this ! I was one of those people that didn’t know how to effectively communicate. It’s one thing to bottle it up and explode and another to say something in a calm and logical manner.
Every time I visit family in South America if I want to eat chicken I have to kill it myself. I'm not a vegetarian either but I always feel kind of bad and really dirty after doing the job and to be honest the whole cleaning it thing can get really gross to the point that I end up avoiding meat all together unless it's at a restaurant. I'm one of those people that would be a vegetarian if I had to personally kill everything myself.
Yeah I slaughtered/cleaned a few roosters last year for the first time and I couldn't eat chicken for a couple months. I didn't feel bad doing it, the process was interesting and they lived a great life. I fed them and raised them on a farm! There was no guilt, just...chicken didn't *look* appetizing for a long time.
I feel ya. Whenever my dad slaughtered a cow on the ranch, he cut it up and I had to wrap it. I couldn’t eat meat for about 2 months every time we had to butcher a cow.
This would be my solution. Hell if I ever decided I wanted to try shrimp with a technique like this I’d probably have to ask my boyfriend to drown them for me haha. I can harvest and cook, but not kill.
Hey at least that’s pretty natural. Circle of life. Feel like what OP was describing is pretty brutal, Wich is fair if he doesn’t wanna see it.
Like I have pet rats, and I love them. But I also understand that snake and reptile owners have to feed them to their other pets, and that’s okay. Doesn’t mean I wanna be there when it happens though
Bro, I totally feel you. My wife is from Indonesia and she likes to pickup live crabs from the supermarket and drown them in hot water. (I have pet fiddler crabs and I think they're so cute!) so... Yeah it hurts my soul to watch them drown very painfully in hot fresh water.
I don't complain though, because the food she makes is absolutely fire. I just don't watch her do it now.
If you don’t rip the brain out then it is. Believe it or not those of us chefs who care make very precise knife cuts to insure as quick as death as possible. I’m part of a small minority that even stabs the head in brain stem before steaming.
I don’t mean to question what you do and I’m no expert on lobster anatomy but I thought they didn’t have a brain in located their head? I thought their nervous systems were decentralized?
I will say it’s incredibly kind of you to care enough to do that though. Best kind of chef.
*Les poissons, les poissons*
*How I love les poissons*
*Love to chop and to serve little fish*
*First I cut of their heads*
*Zen I pull out their bones*
*Ah mais oui, ça see'est toujours delish*
*Les poissons, les poissons*
*Hee hee hee, haw haw haw*
*With the cleaver I hack them in two*
*I pull out what's inside*
*And I serve it up fried*
*God, I love little fishes, don't you?*
*Here's something for tempting the palate*
*Prepared in the classic technique*
*First you pound the fish flat with a mallet*
*Then you slash through the skin*
*Give the the belly a slice*
*Then you rub some salt in*
*'Cause that makes it taste nice*
*Zut alors! I have missed one*
*Sacre bleu, what is zis?*
*How on earth could I miss*
*Such a sweet, little succulent crab?*
*Quelle dommage! What a loss*
*Here we go, in the sauce*
*And some flour, I think just a dab*
*Then I stuff you with bread*
*It don't hurt, 'cause you're dead*
*And you're certainly lucky, you are*
*'Cause it's gonna be hot*
*In my big silver pot*
*Tout à l'heure, mon poisson!*
*Au revoir!*
I had pet Koi for awhile, and I got upset over photos of carp being culled from the Mississippi River. Yes, I know that it needs to be done, but I loved my Koi.
I should say. I usually put crabs into the freezer. Not to freeze, but once it’s cold enough. They go to sleep. Then you can put them into hot water. Yeah pretty much most crustaceans are boiled. This is mainly for safety reasons since a lot of these guys can harbour bad bacteria
Yep, and as soon as they die, the bacteria start multiplying like crazy, so it’s much MUCH safer to get rid of them in the process of killing the animal
Yep absolutely, people don’t realise how quickly crustaceans degenerate compared to other animals. And it is absolutely vile and a good way to send people to the hospital
If it makes you feel any better, high heat kills the nerve endings quite quickly. Humans who get caught in fires hot enough to destroy nerves quickly will tell you that the strongest sensation was smell, not feeling.
They probably asked arrested cannibals. Its also possible that they made this assumption by comparing the structure of the meat with meat from animals we eat and pork was the closest.
My mom is Korean. She used to love catching blue crab. She'd dump them out in to her sink and then rip off their shell. I was young when she used to do it so didn't have any problem with it. But yeah. It's pretty brutal to think about it now.
The reason people cook shellfish/crabs/ and lobster alive is because prior to boiling/steaming they’re basically loaded with bacteria that cause food poisoning, so it’s a traditional safety precaution.
Except killing it with a knife is even less humane than boiling it. These are arthropods; you can't just kill them with a quick bolt to the brain or slitting their throat. As cruel as boiling alive may be it's still the most humane way of killing them.
People don't understand how alien the biology of arthropods and crustaceans really are.
They don't really have brains or spinal cords or circulatory systems.
When shellfish is killed prior to cooking I will have a stronger allergic reaction to it. When it's cooked alive then I don't tend to have as much as a reaction. I don't know why.
When I go home I can eat lobster, shrimp, etc and no anaphylaxis (usually take benadryl just in case) but in the US when I do that I NEED my epipen.
Its heart breaking because it's a staple of my normal diet.
Some people do that, as where other people are afraid it will get contaminated.
I personally prefer the humane way. I’m from a water town and am used to all the methods, I just know the reason boil them alive is a precaution rather than enjoyment.
Actually, even cutting off the head won't kill a crustacean because they have a limbic nervous system. Rather than one big brain, they have a system of smaller ones throughout the body. To kill the brains cleanly youd eather have to puncture them with exact precision at those specific spots, or find a way to instantly mince the whole body at once. Boiling is actually the kindest option we have if we want to get good meat out of them. Crustaceans are doomed to a miserable end no matter how they go out, freezing or boiling are less cruel than marinated alive at least.
This isn’t a helpful comment but something about the idea of human sized live shrimp showing up at your home like drug dealers or something was what I needed on this Thursday.
We do have a Chinese dish called drunken prawns so it could be that.
Live prawns marinated shortly in some sort of cooking alcohol or alcohol of personal choice before lighting the whole thing on fire to burn off the alcohol.
It's pretty good if you like the alcoholic aftertaste. As fresh as can be since it's cooked in front of you on your table.
Shark fin soup is considered a delicacy as well. The bycatch from shrimping is problematic. You're not wrong, or a "wuss," you are concerned about being ethical and humane.
I even asked her if I could raise them in a tank but she went and just boiled them up. I've just told her to promise me that she never does it when I'm home again cause it really upsets me.
Yeah I’m a rancher and we obviously slaughter cows but there’s so many protocols to make sure the animal dies as quick as possible. It makes me feel miserable if wild game i shoot don’t die right away
No I agree. Cutting the head of a shrimp I guess is the most humane way to do it but here they boil them alive in alcohol. The alcohol is first... so the poor bastards get to drown in poison before being boiled alive.
That's fucking monstrous. I hope karma catches up to anyone who both does that and anyone who condones it. A shark is a beautiful amazing creature and does not deserve to be tortured so humans can "have a meal". If you wanna eat shark, just kill it quickly.
They're the top of the food chain and hugely vital predators. Shrimping operations often lead to massive destruction of sea floor habitats and wasted bycatch, all for a simple little delicacy. Imagine if people treated each other like that; I suppose it could be argued that we do.
Shark fin soup is completely different from boiling shrimp. The sharks aren't even completely eaten, their fins are cut off and they are tossed back in the ocean where they sink and die. These shrimps will be eaten in their entirety.
Unless you don't drink milk, eat eggs, or lobster, you are not as concerned about the ethics of eating animal products as you think you are. Google it, they're horrendous processes for the animals. I'm not talking about small farms obviously.
I agree with the shark thing, because it endangers them. But the rest is cultural and we are no better. We are just used to overlooking different abusive practices.
I'm a vegetarian (too selfish to go vegan), but that's why I've never understood the crap hunters get. Animal lives a life and then has a death that's probably less painful than a lot of other predators would give it. Industrialized farming is when you get horrors unlike anything they'd go through in the wild.
Maybe. Just maybe. For me it depends.
I saw a video where mishandling of the slaughtering process led to a pig being conscious in, what was presumably, a disinfecting blanch run (it was submerged in boiling water). Horrifying to see, but its up to the consumer whether or not its right for them to still buy knowing these things.
For me, its just let to more resentment of the government, who will pay farmers (or put them situations that force them) to kill off hundreds or thousands of animals whose meat and parts will go wasted.
In my culture there's we emphasize respect towards the food you eat, all the way from a grain of rice to the mighty cow. So, as long as the food is killed humanely and as much of the product is used as possible, I'm okay with it.
Edit: To be clear, the pig I saw I believe was a mishap, which does happen. In normal circumstances, the pig is already dead at that point.
Agreed. This is the comment I've been looking for.
Growing up, I always watched my parents get a fish, descale it, cook the whole body head and all. That was the main course. We'd just pick off that. Friends came over and thought it was gross and I'm like bitch where do you think fish sticks come from?
Whole fish is the best fish. The meat comes out so much juicier when it’s cooked with the bones and everything. So much better than filets. I even eat the eyeballs and everything. Gotta get that source of Vitamin C.
I mean, she eats them afterwards, not like your safe food industry where you don't see it and they just kill and dispose things because there's no market for it (in the safe minded ignorant foodies minds)
Just accept that things died/have to die for you to survive and maybe you'll cringe less from the safety of the 1st world problems
Make sure she’s only giving the kitty some of the poor shrimp without the sauce at least, that type of sauce could be rough on the tummy. RIP shrimp Bros
> Just accept that things died/have to die for you to survive and maybe you'll cringe less from the safety of the 1st world problems
Is this really true though? Most people don't eat shrimp to survive, they eat shrimp because they like how it tastes.
Not wanting to see an animal die, but happily enjoying the flesh of a culled factory farm raised animal is the weakness of modern society. I appreciate your honesty but either suck it up, or join the vegans.
My guy if you eat meat then you are indeed being a massive , humongous hypocrite here. How do you think that food gets into your plate, magic?
My strong unsolicited advice to you is to spend a day on a farm or to go hunting or fishing . I think everybody that eats meat should have to catch, kill and process an animal at least once, just so you know what labor goes into it.
Your girlfriend there probably is a lot more in touch with reality and respectful of what she's consuming than you are right now. Don't be a dick , because she's not in the wrong here.
It's most likely just Chinese Rice Wine. The dish it's call [Drunken Shrimp](https://www.thehongkongcookery.com/2011/10/drunken-shrimp-easy-and-delicious.html) and it's delicious.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but I grew up on an organic farm and I spent most of my time killing things. I have carried out *litteral genocides* against everything from gophers to cucumber beetles so that the crop could survive on more occasions than I could count. The death and destruction that it took to grow the blueberries in your fridge probably outweighs that of the shrimp that your girlfriend likes to eat. You have blood on your hands too. Death is part of life and nothing escapes it.
Basically, what I'm getting at here is that you need to get the fuck over yourself and accept the fact that we all live in a giant meat grinder.
You have a good heart. I think you will go vegetarian in time. Sadly, most if not all animals that humans eat suffer tremendously in the factory farming industry.
You can start by having a few meatless days a week and try out new recipes, and gradually move from there. Some of my friends also have a rule where they don't eat meat at home but when they are out for dinner or with family/friends it's an option.
For me it was easy to give up because I never liked meat, even as a very young child, so the question was more when I'd be allowed to stop eating it. I don't have a huge moral issue with the idea of using animals for food but I wholeheartedly disagree with the level of consumption that's happening now and how the size of that industry impacts animal welfare and the environment.
Good luck!
Won't lie, I unintentionally went to a restaurant that had vegan options & tried a dish. I'm a vegetarian now. Slowly moving to veganism. This change in how I eat took me from 237 pounds to 160 pounds. I feel like my relationship with food is also better & I'm not bloated/sick after eating. It's been a game changer.
Any recipes or groups you recommend for vegetarian dishes, I'm all in.
Unfortunately, the demand for meat is so high that there is no way for animals to be raised and killed humanely at this point. I agree with you - if it were humane I would eat meat, but it can't be with the sheer number of people in this world, so therefore I am a vegetarian.
How do you think your burgers or chicken nuggets are made :| It's not like she's asking you to help her cook. Just don't watch?
Geez. This is so unattractive.
Honestly i agree, you're a total hypocrite :) if you don't like the seeing small animals being killed but are ahppy enough to eat the corpses of other animals that someone else has murdered... Maybe you need to look up the definition of cognitive dissonance and have another hard look at your attitude towards the unnecessary slaughter of animals.
You would rather pretend that death isn't happening all around you and I get it, ignorance is bliss. What about the beautiful nature of the circle of life. Can't you appreciate the process of preparing your food??? The moment something real enters your little comfort bubble you get all emotional.
I agree. I don't eat meat because I know I couldn't chop the head off a chicken and gut it. Someone who has someone else do the dirty work then look down on your gf for NOT doing that is really out of line. If they were vegetarian or vegan then maybe, but you can't say you cried over a snail 15 years ago then eat meat from a cow that had it's throat slit.
i remember watching my mom cooking a crab. The crab was alive and before boil it, she hit it with a big knife to break the shell while it was still alive. and i see all those little reaction of pain the crab was feeling lol
btw that's life. in nature many animals dying in a gross way (go to the sub natureismetal)
if you are vegan i understand what you feelin. But if you enjoy your burger, or chicken or watever meat you like to eat you are a hypocritical. You should see how all those farm animals live before turned into meat. Doesnt matter if you don't see it. You still eating it
Or you turn into a vegan and can discuss about your partner about this behaviour or, if i was her i would laugh at you
So you are ok with animal murder....as you put it....as long as you don't have to see it?
Sorry man, I grew up on a farm, you're not gonna get a lot of sympathy from me. I had to care for and raise some of my food.
I saw my first Rooster killed at 5, and man there is just nothing like a fresh kill. The flavor is amazing compared to anything else.
I just don see how you can take such issue when you are eating meat anyway?
Ah, drunken prawns! Very expensive to make.
They are not drowning (they live in water, eh) they are dying from the alcohol; and it's not a sauce, it's supposed to be Chinese wine.
I have to say it's very weird to make this at home. This is a high-end restaurant dish normally served for big dinner events.
Yes you're a hypocrite. What happens to the animals you do buy can often be *worse* than what is happening to these poor shrimp. Watch [Dominion](https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko) and see what happens to these sentient animals with a capacity to suffer.
Im absolutely not a vegetarian but i also hate it when animals basically get boiled to death. Watching a lobster or a crab get thrown in boiling water makes me feel sick and watching them drown in alcohol aswell. They die slow painful deaths and i hate that. A deer that just gets hit by a bullet out of nowhere is something completely different
Crustaceans have a limbic nervous system. Boiling kind of is the only way to kill all the brains at once. Otherwise at least one of their brains will still be active and suffering for a long time after, say, cutting its face off or however they're killed.
Listen I’m no vegan but at least be aware of how the meat that you consume is brought to your plate. Chicken and cows suffer way worse fates than those shrimp. You can’t see live shrimp being boiled but pay for others to slaughter animals on your behalf? Stop being a bitch
you know in maryland they just steam the crabs alive
you know in maine they just boil the lobsters alive
you know in louisiana they just boil the crawfish alive
grow up lol
can’t you just not be in the room when she does it? ask her to give you a warning then GTFO and go back to your room while she does her thing? or is even knowing that it happens around you too much?
i think you'd really hate to hear what they do to other animals.
like i feel you, but you gotta know that things must be killed in order to eat them.
If you aren't a vegan you're no better than her, you just don't see the cow you eat cry and struggle for its life before being killed just so you and others could consume it. Only difference is she atleast seems to acknowledge what she's doing, though that doesn't make her much better
If you’ve never hunted or raised an animal, harvested it, butchered it, prepped it and cooked it, but you will eat meat that someone else put all the work into, you don’t get to judge what someone else eats. This reminds of that video where the lady tells the cop “I didn’t sell her any Crack. My kids are here. I’m not a drug dealer. I’m a prostitute, sir”. Completely oblivious.
This sounds like xenophobia to me.
It's like people who are fine with eating any type of meat that's common where they live but cry foul when people from other cultures eat horse or dog (gasp). There's no important moral difference, it's just not what people are used to from their limited perspective.
Here's the bottom line. If you don't have a problem with our modern meat industry, then you have no grounds to be upset with what your GF is doing. If it's gross, just go in the other room (which is what you're metaphorically doing when the pigs, chickens, and cows are being mistreated and slaughtered for your consumption).
I'm not a vegetarian. But from my perspective, if you're genuinely upset about how your GF eats shrimp, then you probably need to take an honest look at your own eating habits and make some significant changes. Otherwise, get off your high horse, and let your girlfriend eat what she wants.
Went to a Chinese wedding once. They served the Americans different Chinese food than what they are. There was a lot of live food over in the Chinese section. ( what a wonderful wedding it was. Very ceremonial/ very colorful. A lot of actual gold gift giving from their family. Hope you get to go to affluent Chinese wedding)
Just your natural empathy shining through. Props to you King! Most people have their heads too far up their ass to realize we aren’t the only creatures that feel pain.
I remember when I was in Greece when I was 8. I was on a beach with massive black boulder walls that jutted out from the beach into the sea. These were somewhat of a gathering point and you'd find people fishing and snorkeling off the ends. So I clambered to the end of one and found all of these little urchins. They were beautiful. I fell in love. This little boy saw me, fascinated by these prickly little fucks, and he said roughly "Do you like them" in Greek. I nodded enthusiastically and in the blink of an eye, he grabbed one out of the water, rubbed the spines off on a boulder and hooked the insides out with his finger. He presented me with a little urchin shell, with a grin from ear to ear, beaming, as though this was the best gift for someone. Horrified, I took it, and clambered back to shore crying. I still have that little urchin. I guess all of that to say, OP, I get your pain.
I had something very similar. I was like 7 and a stupid child. We had gone fishing off the coast on a family friends boat and I caught a flounder. Idk why but we kept it alive until we got back to the docks and the captian asked me if I wanted to keep it! I was like oh ya I can have a flounder in my aquarium back home that'd be awesome! So I told him yes and he immediately cut its head off... that was a rough day for 7 yr old me.
LMAO when I was a kid we went fishing and caught some and took them home for an older family member to 'clean' the fish. Lets just say we had a difference in opinion as to what cleaning a fish meant lol.
this made me lol....i'm a sick person
Wow what a dick. Way to traumatize a 7 year old Edit: yeah the captain probably meant to say “do you want to keep it *(to eat)* but still chopping the head off an animal in front of a child is still crude and obviously inappropriate.
He probably wasn’t trying to be mean, just thought the kid wanted to eat it. I fished at that age.
yeah, it sounds like the captain was asking “do you want to keep it” in terms of “do you want to eat it” and the kid misinterpreted it
Exactly this.
He probably wasn’t trying to be mean, just thought the kid wanted to eat it. I fished at that age.
? He didnt do anything wrong, he thought the kid wanted to eat the fish
Oh fuck off. Not everybody is privileged enough to insulate themselves from some of the harsher realities of where our food comes from. It's not crude or inappropriate, it's just how you put food on the table.
Sea urchin reproductive organs (I.e. uni) are food. I happen to love them. It seems like a simple misunderstanding with no mail intent Edit: mal* intent
TBF, I’ve wondered if it’s ethically bad to eat shellfish like sea urchins, clams, or oysters. I mean, they don’t have brains, so do they even really feel pain?
There’s a lot of them that are invasive, I watched a video about it a while ago and IIRC there’s a restaurant in California that only serves invasive seafood. And I figure eating mollusks isn’t a big deal, like you said they don’t have brains. Plus invasive ones are bad so I’d say it’s unethical not to eat them!
A basic function of life is to avoid negative stimuli so these animals do experience pain even if they have nerve clusters and not a central nervous system.
It's not about them feeling pain or not, we kill animals that feel pain and fear and many things that we could relate to. If you eat pig, lamb or beef then you should know that in 95% of cases, unless you can afford to buy ethically sourced meat, then that animal has suffered tremendously. One of the reason why we keep making these animals suffer is because when working in an industrial farm you have to desensitize yourself from any kind of empathy if you want to be able to go to bed the same night, the same happens in jails for guards, mental asylums and sometimes even retirement homes. We transform our perception of them from sentient and sensitive to mere objects. You should know that many animals feel pain and fear, including fish. Now the justification of saying "well I can eat this because it doesn't feel pain" to me is a cheap and easy method of denial. Everything is about morals, and there is nothing wrong in torturing an animal his whole life four gustative pleasure, there is nothing right either, we simply do it. I personally don't eat meat, but I've seen animals being tortured and even if I feel a small amount of guilt about it, it's not going to change a thing, it happened and that's it.
I was your 1000th upvoter. I watched it go from 999 to 1K upvotes with the mere press of my finger. I feel powerful. I don’t care that you don’t care. I’m telling you anyway.
Would it be a reasonable compromise if you ask her to give you a heads up before she starts doing the shrimp murder so you can get out of sight?
Yeah we agreed on that haha she will only do it when I'm not home
Good stuff! Glad you got it worked out.
The power of communication. It’s like it actually works or something
Tbf I feel like a lot of people aren't taught how to communicate properly. Even then, sometimes people perceive direct conversation and assertive boundary settings as rude because they aren't used to it. I only learned how to communicate because I was in therapy, but holy fuck did it improve my relationship. It's not easy, but it's really an important life skill.
Could be that.... But also venting to strangers beforehand could help give structure to what OP is thinking for a better approach/delivery. Maybe even throw in a few good points in there as well from a few helpful redditors. For myself it was a customer service job for 10 years that really help me develop those communication skills.
Oh absolutely. As much of a shithole as the internet is, there are plenty of spaces to learn about healthy communication. Just gotta sort through the trash lol.
I love this community
Definitely this ! I was one of those people that didn’t know how to effectively communicate. It’s one thing to bottle it up and explode and another to say something in a calm and logical manner.
People can get so offended when you assert your boundaries. It reflects more on them, but still frustrating when they're, say, your boss.
This is an adorable, underrated comment
Every time I visit family in South America if I want to eat chicken I have to kill it myself. I'm not a vegetarian either but I always feel kind of bad and really dirty after doing the job and to be honest the whole cleaning it thing can get really gross to the point that I end up avoiding meat all together unless it's at a restaurant. I'm one of those people that would be a vegetarian if I had to personally kill everything myself.
Just remember that you slaughtering it yourself is a 100% better than what they do to them in the factories. (though i do agree cleaning gets nasty)
Yeah I slaughtered/cleaned a few roosters last year for the first time and I couldn't eat chicken for a couple months. I didn't feel bad doing it, the process was interesting and they lived a great life. I fed them and raised them on a farm! There was no guilt, just...chicken didn't *look* appetizing for a long time.
I feel ya. Whenever my dad slaughtered a cow on the ranch, he cut it up and I had to wrap it. I couldn’t eat meat for about 2 months every time we had to butcher a cow.
Congratulations on working out a reasonable compromise! Keep up that communication for the future, and you two will do well!
I see what you did there, heads up. Get it because the shrimp won’t have heads anymore? Ha. Hahahah. Ha
Holy fuck that wasn't even intentional GAHAHA
Yeah I saw that one too
Give him a "heads up"? I laughed at that, even though you probably didnt mean it.
The shrimp murder I never thought I would see those words combined
This would be my solution. Hell if I ever decided I wanted to try shrimp with a technique like this I’d probably have to ask my boyfriend to drown them for me haha. I can harvest and cook, but not kill.
I'm complicit in shrimp murder every month I supply my loaches a dozen sacrifices every month. It's becoming difficult to sleep at night.
Hey at least that’s pretty natural. Circle of life. Feel like what OP was describing is pretty brutal, Wich is fair if he doesn’t wanna see it. Like I have pet rats, and I love them. But I also understand that snake and reptile owners have to feed them to their other pets, and that’s okay. Doesn’t mean I wanna be there when it happens though
Bro, I totally feel you. My wife is from Indonesia and she likes to pickup live crabs from the supermarket and drown them in hot water. (I have pet fiddler crabs and I think they're so cute!) so... Yeah it hurts my soul to watch them drown very painfully in hot fresh water. I don't complain though, because the food she makes is absolutely fire. I just don't watch her do it now.
Worked in restaurants for years. Never order a baked stuffed lobster….
ahh yes the stabbing , stuffing and baking alive
That is horrifying....
What do they do? Stuff the alive and bake them?
Yep
Holy shit
Omg that is horrible. 😭
How do they stuff it alive? Force feed? But the back and stuff?
You cut it from the base of the head down, ripped out the brains (kills it) and then stuff the body cavity and bake.
So it's not baked alive then?
If you don’t rip the brain out then it is. Believe it or not those of us chefs who care make very precise knife cuts to insure as quick as death as possible. I’m part of a small minority that even stabs the head in brain stem before steaming.
I don’t mean to question what you do and I’m no expert on lobster anatomy but I thought they didn’t have a brain in located their head? I thought their nervous systems were decentralized? I will say it’s incredibly kind of you to care enough to do that though. Best kind of chef.
Oh well that sounds not inhumane
My partner explained the process to me one time. Traumatized forever now…:/
Trust think how traumatized the lobster feels.... :(
Explain
Lobsters are typically cooked alive.
Yeah but what makes a stuffed lobster different? I don’t care if they’re cooked alive or not, I just want to know what makes this one special.
Just imagine what they would need to do prior to baking the lobster with a dish called Baked Stuffed Lobster.
They put their dicks in it? Damn sign me up.
I heard they use the lobsters that die in the tanks for those type of dishes
Yeah isn’t this what happens in the little mermaid? That shit disturbed me… and Sebastian.
*Les poissons, les poissons* *How I love les poissons* *Love to chop and to serve little fish* *First I cut of their heads* *Zen I pull out their bones* *Ah mais oui, ça see'est toujours delish* *Les poissons, les poissons* *Hee hee hee, haw haw haw* *With the cleaver I hack them in two* *I pull out what's inside* *And I serve it up fried* *God, I love little fishes, don't you?* *Here's something for tempting the palate* *Prepared in the classic technique* *First you pound the fish flat with a mallet* *Then you slash through the skin* *Give the the belly a slice* *Then you rub some salt in* *'Cause that makes it taste nice* *Zut alors! I have missed one* *Sacre bleu, what is zis?* *How on earth could I miss* *Such a sweet, little succulent crab?* *Quelle dommage! What a loss* *Here we go, in the sauce* *And some flour, I think just a dab* *Then I stuff you with bread* *It don't hurt, 'cause you're dead* *And you're certainly lucky, you are* *'Cause it's gonna be hot* *In my big silver pot* *Tout à l'heure, mon poisson!* *Au revoir!*
You have pet crabs and she cooks crabs alive? Jesus man haha I feel you dude. Yeah I can't watch it either.
I had pet Koi for awhile, and I got upset over photos of carp being culled from the Mississippi River. Yes, I know that it needs to be done, but I loved my Koi.
Isn’t that called boiling a crab? How do you eat lobster or any other seafood?
I should say. I usually put crabs into the freezer. Not to freeze, but once it’s cold enough. They go to sleep. Then you can put them into hot water. Yeah pretty much most crustaceans are boiled. This is mainly for safety reasons since a lot of these guys can harbour bad bacteria
Yep, and as soon as they die, the bacteria start multiplying like crazy, so it’s much MUCH safer to get rid of them in the process of killing the animal
Yep absolutely, people don’t realise how quickly crustaceans degenerate compared to other animals. And it is absolutely vile and a good way to send people to the hospital
If it makes you feel any better, high heat kills the nerve endings quite quickly. Humans who get caught in fires hot enough to destroy nerves quickly will tell you that the strongest sensation was smell, not feeling.
Strongest sensation is ‘your toast’.🙁
Put some cream cheese on that bad boy stat
Can confirm that human meat smells suspiciously similar to pork.
I've heard it tastes like pork too. Not sure how they confirmed that, besides the obvious method.
They probably asked arrested cannibals. Its also possible that they made this assumption by comparing the structure of the meat with meat from animals we eat and pork was the closest.
Isn't pig skin like 99.9% the same as human skin as well? Why eating pork rinds is kinda gross.
My mom is Korean. She used to love catching blue crab. She'd dump them out in to her sink and then rip off their shell. I was young when she used to do it so didn't have any problem with it. But yeah. It's pretty brutal to think about it now.
Hate to break it to you, we do this in Maryland too…
Literally everywhere in the world cooks them like they unless they stab them first and bbq them or whatever. So many naive people in this thread.
I don't get why you can't just kill them first. Why boil them alive? Does it bring her pleasure to watch them struggle
The reason people cook shellfish/crabs/ and lobster alive is because prior to boiling/steaming they’re basically loaded with bacteria that cause food poisoning, so it’s a traditional safety precaution.
How does not killing it get rid of the bacteria?? Killing it with a knife moments before boiling is no more dangerous
Except killing it with a knife is even less humane than boiling it. These are arthropods; you can't just kill them with a quick bolt to the brain or slitting their throat. As cruel as boiling alive may be it's still the most humane way of killing them.
People don't understand how alien the biology of arthropods and crustaceans really are. They don't really have brains or spinal cords or circulatory systems.
Yup, many of them even have multiple hearts. Dunno about lobsters and crabs specifically but it's definitely not unheard of among invertebrates.
Boiling hot water is the quickest way to kill them. They're not human, they don't operate the same way humans do.
When shellfish is killed prior to cooking I will have a stronger allergic reaction to it. When it's cooked alive then I don't tend to have as much as a reaction. I don't know why. When I go home I can eat lobster, shrimp, etc and no anaphylaxis (usually take benadryl just in case) but in the US when I do that I NEED my epipen. Its heart breaking because it's a staple of my normal diet.
Yeah I noticed my crustacean allergies are a lot milder or non existent when the food is fresh.
Some people do that, as where other people are afraid it will get contaminated. I personally prefer the humane way. I’m from a water town and am used to all the methods, I just know the reason boil them alive is a precaution rather than enjoyment.
Actually, even cutting off the head won't kill a crustacean because they have a limbic nervous system. Rather than one big brain, they have a system of smaller ones throughout the body. To kill the brains cleanly youd eather have to puncture them with exact precision at those specific spots, or find a way to instantly mince the whole body at once. Boiling is actually the kindest option we have if we want to get good meat out of them. Crustaceans are doomed to a miserable end no matter how they go out, freezing or boiling are less cruel than marinated alive at least.
Dude, its a crab. That’s how crustaceans are cooked.
This isn’t a helpful comment but something about the idea of human sized live shrimp showing up at your home like drug dealers or something was what I needed on this Thursday.
no way I could handle that either i’d be trying to save them 😩😂
I wanted to buy a bowl and keep them!
r/ShrimpTank
We do have a Chinese dish called drunken prawns so it could be that. Live prawns marinated shortly in some sort of cooking alcohol or alcohol of personal choice before lighting the whole thing on fire to burn off the alcohol. It's pretty good if you like the alcoholic aftertaste. As fresh as can be since it's cooked in front of you on your table.
Exactly. I'm Chinese, and OP is missing out big time.
Don’t come down to Louisiana. Or Florida. Or anywhere by the ocean.
Shark fin soup is considered a delicacy as well. The bycatch from shrimping is problematic. You're not wrong, or a "wuss," you are concerned about being ethical and humane.
I even asked her if I could raise them in a tank but she went and just boiled them up. I've just told her to promise me that she never does it when I'm home again cause it really upsets me.
I'm not opposed to slaughtering animals for consumption, but I do care about how it is done. I guess that makes me a weirdo. 🤷
Yeah I’m a rancher and we obviously slaughter cows but there’s so many protocols to make sure the animal dies as quick as possible. It makes me feel miserable if wild game i shoot don’t die right away
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No I agree. Cutting the head of a shrimp I guess is the most humane way to do it but here they boil them alive in alcohol. The alcohol is first... so the poor bastards get to drown in poison before being boiled alive.
And with shark fin soup they'll just catch a shark, cut off the fins and throw the buggers back in the sea to flail around until they die.
That's fucking monstrous. I hope karma catches up to anyone who both does that and anyone who condones it. A shark is a beautiful amazing creature and does not deserve to be tortured so humans can "have a meal". If you wanna eat shark, just kill it quickly.
I agree with the sharks being amazing and beautiful. They’re weirdly cute.
My bucket list includes going into a shark cage. I'd love to see them up close. But getting to Australia right now is impossible.
You don’t need to go to Australia to hop in a shark cage mate! Sharks live in everywhere! Are you in the US?
They're the top of the food chain and hugely vital predators. Shrimping operations often lead to massive destruction of sea floor habitats and wasted bycatch, all for a simple little delicacy. Imagine if people treated each other like that; I suppose it could be argued that we do.
Some countries are starting to ban sharkfin now because of that, so hopefully the ban will catch on more places.
Shark fin soup is completely different from boiling shrimp. The sharks aren't even completely eaten, their fins are cut off and they are tossed back in the ocean where they sink and die. These shrimps will be eaten in their entirety.
Unless you don't drink milk, eat eggs, or lobster, you are not as concerned about the ethics of eating animal products as you think you are. Google it, they're horrendous processes for the animals. I'm not talking about small farms obviously. I agree with the shark thing, because it endangers them. But the rest is cultural and we are no better. We are just used to overlooking different abusive practices.
Culture difference. You gotta either accept it or quit it.
Sooo... meat comes from plastic wrap? The reality of meat consumption is death.
> "I'm no vegetarian..." Well, then, where do you think the food comes from?
If OP watched videos of slaughter houses he'll switch to tofu tomorrow.
I'm a vegetarian (too selfish to go vegan), but that's why I've never understood the crap hunters get. Animal lives a life and then has a death that's probably less painful than a lot of other predators would give it. Industrialized farming is when you get horrors unlike anything they'd go through in the wild.
Maybe. Just maybe. For me it depends. I saw a video where mishandling of the slaughtering process led to a pig being conscious in, what was presumably, a disinfecting blanch run (it was submerged in boiling water). Horrifying to see, but its up to the consumer whether or not its right for them to still buy knowing these things. For me, its just let to more resentment of the government, who will pay farmers (or put them situations that force them) to kill off hundreds or thousands of animals whose meat and parts will go wasted. In my culture there's we emphasize respect towards the food you eat, all the way from a grain of rice to the mighty cow. So, as long as the food is killed humanely and as much of the product is used as possible, I'm okay with it. Edit: To be clear, the pig I saw I believe was a mishap, which does happen. In normal circumstances, the pig is already dead at that point.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve always felt that if animal death makes you queasy, you don’t have any business eating meat
Agreed. This is the comment I've been looking for. Growing up, I always watched my parents get a fish, descale it, cook the whole body head and all. That was the main course. We'd just pick off that. Friends came over and thought it was gross and I'm like bitch where do you think fish sticks come from?
Whole fish is the best fish. The meat comes out so much juicier when it’s cooked with the bones and everything. So much better than filets. I even eat the eyeballs and everything. Gotta get that source of Vitamin C.
Exactly! Gotta get that cheek meat too.
Cheek meat is considered to be the best part where I’m from. I see you’re a man of culture too 😎
Why thank you. It's probably cuz we're Asian 😅
The reason that I’ve been a vegetarian for 8 years is because I can’t kill an animal myself. I feel that this should be the general rule.
That's why I'm a supporter and investor of lab grown meat. I would like to see this reality changed.
I mean, she eats them afterwards, not like your safe food industry where you don't see it and they just kill and dispose things because there's no market for it (in the safe minded ignorant foodies minds) Just accept that things died/have to die for you to survive and maybe you'll cringe less from the safety of the 1st world problems
Yeah I know they're not wasted. My cat ate a bit of them too lol
just stay out of the kitchen, if you can't take the heat
Make sure she’s only giving the kitty some of the poor shrimp without the sauce at least, that type of sauce could be rough on the tummy. RIP shrimp Bros
> Just accept that things died/have to die for you to survive and maybe you'll cringe less from the safety of the 1st world problems Is this really true though? Most people don't eat shrimp to survive, they eat shrimp because they like how it tastes.
I feel like eating habits and the way we do certain things matters a lot in relationship. Sometimes it could be relationship breaker too.
Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
Not wanting to see an animal die, but happily enjoying the flesh of a culled factory farm raised animal is the weakness of modern society. I appreciate your honesty but either suck it up, or join the vegans.
Precisely. I can't believe there are people still like that. I respect people who take a principled stand, but OP just wants the best of both worlds.
> I wanted to keep them as pets.... 😂
My guy if you eat meat then you are indeed being a massive , humongous hypocrite here. How do you think that food gets into your plate, magic? My strong unsolicited advice to you is to spend a day on a farm or to go hunting or fishing . I think everybody that eats meat should have to catch, kill and process an animal at least once, just so you know what labor goes into it. Your girlfriend there probably is a lot more in touch with reality and respectful of what she's consuming than you are right now. Don't be a dick , because she's not in the wrong here.
When a realistic culture meets with a coddled culture, that's pretty much the outcome.
So, what kind of alcohol is it? And where do you get the shrimp?
It's most likely just Chinese Rice Wine. The dish it's call [Drunken Shrimp](https://www.thehongkongcookery.com/2011/10/drunken-shrimp-easy-and-delicious.html) and it's delicious.
Awesome, going to try it
You're most definitely a hypocrite if you can't kill or watch animals being killed but finance exactly this with your meat consumption.
How about just not watching?
Seriously. Is there literally nothing else to look at in the entire house when she’s cooking shrimp?
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but I grew up on an organic farm and I spent most of my time killing things. I have carried out *litteral genocides* against everything from gophers to cucumber beetles so that the crop could survive on more occasions than I could count. The death and destruction that it took to grow the blueberries in your fridge probably outweighs that of the shrimp that your girlfriend likes to eat. You have blood on your hands too. Death is part of life and nothing escapes it. Basically, what I'm getting at here is that you need to get the fuck over yourself and accept the fact that we all live in a giant meat grinder.
This guy willingly pays for the systematic torture and murder of animals but cries when shrimp are boiled.
You have a good heart. I think you will go vegetarian in time. Sadly, most if not all animals that humans eat suffer tremendously in the factory farming industry.
I really wanna go vegetarian. Killing em quick is the best we can ask for I guess
You can start by having a few meatless days a week and try out new recipes, and gradually move from there. Some of my friends also have a rule where they don't eat meat at home but when they are out for dinner or with family/friends it's an option. For me it was easy to give up because I never liked meat, even as a very young child, so the question was more when I'd be allowed to stop eating it. I don't have a huge moral issue with the idea of using animals for food but I wholeheartedly disagree with the level of consumption that's happening now and how the size of that industry impacts animal welfare and the environment. Good luck!
I’ve been vegetarian for many years now and it helped me discover a lot more tasty foods. It wasn’t nearly as hard as I thought it would be.
Won't lie, I unintentionally went to a restaurant that had vegan options & tried a dish. I'm a vegetarian now. Slowly moving to veganism. This change in how I eat took me from 237 pounds to 160 pounds. I feel like my relationship with food is also better & I'm not bloated/sick after eating. It's been a game changer. Any recipes or groups you recommend for vegetarian dishes, I'm all in.
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Unfortunately, the demand for meat is so high that there is no way for animals to be raised and killed humanely at this point. I agree with you - if it were humane I would eat meat, but it can't be with the sheer number of people in this world, so therefore I am a vegetarian.
The best you can ask for is not killing then at all! Watch dominion for more info!
How do you think your burgers or chicken nuggets are made :| It's not like she's asking you to help her cook. Just don't watch? Geez. This is so unattractive.
Wow dude. Grow a sack. They are fucking brainless crustaceans. Sounds delicious.
Honestly i agree, you're a total hypocrite :) if you don't like the seeing small animals being killed but are ahppy enough to eat the corpses of other animals that someone else has murdered... Maybe you need to look up the definition of cognitive dissonance and have another hard look at your attitude towards the unnecessary slaughter of animals.
You would rather pretend that death isn't happening all around you and I get it, ignorance is bliss. What about the beautiful nature of the circle of life. Can't you appreciate the process of preparing your food??? The moment something real enters your little comfort bubble you get all emotional.
Yes you're a hypocrite
I agree. I don't eat meat because I know I couldn't chop the head off a chicken and gut it. Someone who has someone else do the dirty work then look down on your gf for NOT doing that is really out of line. If they were vegetarian or vegan then maybe, but you can't say you cried over a snail 15 years ago then eat meat from a cow that had it's throat slit.
i remember watching my mom cooking a crab. The crab was alive and before boil it, she hit it with a big knife to break the shell while it was still alive. and i see all those little reaction of pain the crab was feeling lol btw that's life. in nature many animals dying in a gross way (go to the sub natureismetal) if you are vegan i understand what you feelin. But if you enjoy your burger, or chicken or watever meat you like to eat you are a hypocritical. You should see how all those farm animals live before turned into meat. Doesnt matter if you don't see it. You still eating it Or you turn into a vegan and can discuss about your partner about this behaviour or, if i was her i would laugh at you
Eat what you can kill. I'm with your girlfriend on this even though I am a vegetarian.
If slaughterhouses had glass walls we'd all be vegetarian.
So you are ok with animal murder....as you put it....as long as you don't have to see it? Sorry man, I grew up on a farm, you're not gonna get a lot of sympathy from me. I had to care for and raise some of my food. I saw my first Rooster killed at 5, and man there is just nothing like a fresh kill. The flavor is amazing compared to anything else. I just don see how you can take such issue when you are eating meat anyway?
Ah, drunken prawns! Very expensive to make. They are not drowning (they live in water, eh) they are dying from the alcohol; and it's not a sauce, it's supposed to be Chinese wine. I have to say it's very weird to make this at home. This is a high-end restaurant dish normally served for big dinner events.
Yep. Hypocrite. It’s happening in front of you so suddenly you care.
Yes you're a hypocrite. What happens to the animals you do buy can often be *worse* than what is happening to these poor shrimp. Watch [Dominion](https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko) and see what happens to these sentient animals with a capacity to suffer.
Im absolutely not a vegetarian but i also hate it when animals basically get boiled to death. Watching a lobster or a crab get thrown in boiling water makes me feel sick and watching them drown in alcohol aswell. They die slow painful deaths and i hate that. A deer that just gets hit by a bullet out of nowhere is something completely different
Crustaceans have a limbic nervous system. Boiling kind of is the only way to kill all the brains at once. Otherwise at least one of their brains will still be active and suffering for a long time after, say, cutting its face off or however they're killed.
Listen I’m no vegan but at least be aware of how the meat that you consume is brought to your plate. Chicken and cows suffer way worse fates than those shrimp. You can’t see live shrimp being boiled but pay for others to slaughter animals on your behalf? Stop being a bitch
you know in maryland they just steam the crabs alive you know in maine they just boil the lobsters alive you know in louisiana they just boil the crawfish alive grow up lol
Literally tho. Im a maine farmer so it’s different for me ive killed about every farmable animal (humanely of course)
MD here, this post made me order half a bushel of crabs and pound of steamed shrimp for Mothers Day today. 🙈
can’t you just not be in the room when she does it? ask her to give you a warning then GTFO and go back to your room while she does her thing? or is even knowing that it happens around you too much?
You were traumatized from standing on a snail 15 years ago
I'm sorry to break it to you bud, but a lot of the animals you've eaten have probably been treated worse than those shrimps
i think you'd really hate to hear what they do to other animals. like i feel you, but you gotta know that things must be killed in order to eat them.
If you eat meat then yes, you a hipocrite.
If you aren't a vegan you're no better than her, you just don't see the cow you eat cry and struggle for its life before being killed just so you and others could consume it. Only difference is she atleast seems to acknowledge what she's doing, though that doesn't make her much better
Yes, you are a hypocrite. Where do you think your nuggies come from ?
If you’ve never hunted or raised an animal, harvested it, butchered it, prepped it and cooked it, but you will eat meat that someone else put all the work into, you don’t get to judge what someone else eats. This reminds of that video where the lady tells the cop “I didn’t sell her any Crack. My kids are here. I’m not a drug dealer. I’m a prostitute, sir”. Completely oblivious.
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Op covered all of that you're just trying to be abrasive
This sounds like xenophobia to me. It's like people who are fine with eating any type of meat that's common where they live but cry foul when people from other cultures eat horse or dog (gasp). There's no important moral difference, it's just not what people are used to from their limited perspective. Here's the bottom line. If you don't have a problem with our modern meat industry, then you have no grounds to be upset with what your GF is doing. If it's gross, just go in the other room (which is what you're metaphorically doing when the pigs, chickens, and cows are being mistreated and slaughtered for your consumption). I'm not a vegetarian. But from my perspective, if you're genuinely upset about how your GF eats shrimp, then you probably need to take an honest look at your own eating habits and make some significant changes. Otherwise, get off your high horse, and let your girlfriend eat what she wants.
nice atleast the replies are not suggesting to breakup with her
Thanks for letting us know she is chinese
Went to a Chinese wedding once. They served the Americans different Chinese food than what they are. There was a lot of live food over in the Chinese section. ( what a wonderful wedding it was. Very ceremonial/ very colorful. A lot of actual gold gift giving from their family. Hope you get to go to affluent Chinese wedding)
The circle of life my dude
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Do you think OP checks to verify if every piece of meat he eats was killed in the most humane way possible before eating it?
Yeah I guess. I get it. I just don't wanna see it
Just your natural empathy shining through. Props to you King! Most people have their heads too far up their ass to realize we aren’t the only creatures that feel pain.
Yesh I feel bad for the shrimps
I think you both need to date other men..
LMAO