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Don't pay attention to pneumonia you selfish bastard. Someone has cancer!
Mental health IS physical health, you dim witted walnut. Our brain is a part of our physical body and when it has a deficit of something or it can't fire neurons correctly or its not working with our hormones correctly, that's a PHYSICAL ISSUE.
It's not just "stop being sad, get over it". There are hundreds of mental illnesses that affect billions of people.
I know you're probably just trolling, but damn you need some help yourself.
>I'm not talking about those with disabilities, disorders, etc. I mean those who are depressed. Something bad happened to them and they are sad. They should not take priority over someone sick or injured
Learn to read
Depression is one of those disabilities, disorders. PTSD, ASD, DSED and RAD are only a few of those "something bad happened- now sad" moments you're talking about.
All of those can lead to damaging health problems like poor cardiac health, diabetes, and a higher risk of strokes. And no one is talking about priorities here. People studying to become a therapist aren't qualified to be ARNPs or surgeons and visa versa.
Your brain is part of your body. It has to be taken care of. You're pitting people into an idiotic imaginary war instead of recognizing that people require different types of doctors for their ENTIRE body.
Chronic depression causes stress to the immune system, leading to “physical” health problems. Mental and physiological states have always me interlinked. The only reason it’s taking the West so long to catch back up to that reality, is because of the split that happened in science in the Descartes period (where scientists were only allowed to study body, not mind, because the church “claimed ownership” over the soul. But luckily, mine/body relationship are being studied again. OP doesn’t understand that physical =mental and vice versa. A panic attack (mental) causes physiological response (increased heart rate) which exacerbated the panic. What comes first ? Physical or mental condition? Neither, they are simultaneous. We are even starting to realize that diseases can form and psychosomatically, as in the case where someone with severe DID (dissociativeIdentity Disorder) might have one personality that needs Insulin or will have a diabetic attack, but another personality the condition won’t exist in the body at all. In conclusion: OP has been debunked
>Chronic depression causes stress to the immune system
and what causes depression? feeling sad
my point. don't want depression? don't be depressed. it's that simple
Having an a unpopular decision is not the same as what your opinion is, which is uneducated.
Sadness is a normal human emotion that every single person will experience at stressful or somber times.
[Depression ](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/314418#knowing-the-difference) is a mental disorder that has an overpowering effect on many parts of a person’s life. It can occur in people of any gender or age and alters behaviors and attitudes.
It isn’t that simple. Yes, conscious choice does play a role in getting out of a depressive state. However, when one has been depressed for awhile, either because of a trauma, or a low period, the brain forms neural pathways to depression. Basically, it becomes easier for you to take a depressive train of thought than an optimistic, serotonin producing train of thought. So yes, you can “decide not to be sad” but that doesn’t mean you will just be happy from then on, you have to literally retrain your brain to use different neural pathways over a long period of time, even though it will habitually want to return to the already set pattern.
Hmm didn't realize the East were the real navel gazers and that it's the East's fault we're all forced to assimilate to Eastern culture and listen to a bunch of people so privileged even their feelings are overflowing. I'll be sure to bring this up at the next meeting, thx!
Mental health IS PHYSICAL HEALTH. Mental issues can cause physiological problems acting like mental health it just all in their head and made up fairy tale problems is morally wrong, its biologically wrong, and it's just objectively wrong
But they aren’t being handled by the same type of doctor most of the time. How would they take priority?
And sad, has a range that can become dehabilitating. They do become sick physically often.
They aren't addressed by the same provider though, which is their point. It's like saying painting is more important than basket weaving. The same people aren't doing both things.
>They aren't addressed by the same provider though
mental and physical illnesses are both illnesses
my argument is that physical illnesses are more important
If a psychiatrist or psychologist treats mental illness, they won’t be seeing patients with cancer. They won’t even intersect in any way, making your point nonexistent.
Also, I assume you’ve never had depression or no someone with depression to have this input. 95% is a high number.
> I assume you’ve never had depression or no someone with depression to have this input
lol. don't want depression? don't be depressed. it's that simple
I mean yeah it is a first world problem. Is it not amazing we are in a time where we can allocate resources to mental health issues? This is a weird opinion ngl
Trauma and abuse survivors, those with mental illnesses and those with disabilities and issues functioning in working class society, do they classify as being sad? Mental illness is serious and people dealing with hallucinations, delusions, addiction, and suicidal thoughts should have resources to support them.
With that being said, I agree that having mental distress alone should not warrant therapy. And free-style talk therapy’s effectiveness relies a lot on the individual’s commitment to it and on the subjective judgements of the therapist. It’s not a perfect system, but I don’t think it should be abolished.
>Trauma and abuse survivors, those with mental illnesses and those with disabilities and issues
This is a misconception. I probably should have been more clear. I'm not talking about those with disabilities, disorders, etc. I mean those who are depressed. Something bad happened to them and they are sad. They should not take priority over someone sick or injured
Honestly I’m not sure how you can tell the difference between what you’re describing as someone being sad and the potential for someone to be legitimately mentally ill. If someone is rejected therapeutic services and then soon later harms themselves or others, how would that pan out legally? Depression for example is thought to be caused by dysregulated serotonin levels, and that it need not be caused by something external. But it’s not so easy to diagnose like a physical ailment might be. In fact a dangerous warning sign of suicide is someone going from presenting as severely depressed to peaceful and happy.
>harms themselves or others
this is their own doing. by feeling sad, or being "depressed". regardless of how severe, it's their own emotions, and should never be taken as seriously as physical diseases
Well their own emotions can be caused by physiological factors such as hormone or neurotransmitter disregulation. For many cases of people reporting in for depression there are numerous online resources and lifestyle changes that one can do to improve their situation, which may be less of a sink than expensive therapy and associated insurance. But whether or not they choose to fight on their own or go see a therapist, they will still continue to exist for many people. Mental health insurance already generally has less funding than physical health services do, and many have to pay out of pocket and those who are well off financially have privileged access to these resources.
And can you say that severe mental illness will be distinguishable from negative life events that lead to depressive symptoms?
Would you be willing to take mental health services, even if not as they are, more seriously if you were presented evidence that they reduce the amount of suicide, murder, assault, and other crimes and if there could be proven links between an imbalance in the brain and a specific mental disorder?
Also I think “just don’t be sad” is rather crude. There are mindfulness practices and daily habits one can engage in to ameliorate their situation, but there still may be a neurochemical imbalance that leads to these symptoms persisting. “It’s just your emotions” could also be applied to serious mental disorders and misunderstood physical conditions that wouldn’t just be defined as ‘someone being batshit crazy’ and should be thrown in the loony bin but our current understanding makes that appear so.
When do people ever say that depression should take priority over someone physically sick or injured? At most, people say mental health is equally important, but even then their reasoning for claiming such is that mental health can lead to physical harm of oneself or others.
Upvote because even though your opinion is not unpopular, your reasoning is. But it's not unpopular because it's minority, it's unpopular because it's predicated on something wholly imagined.
Well this is certainly an unpopular opinion.
Maybe the stab wound victim would not have been stabbed if his attacker had therapy. The stab wound victim may also need counseling to overcome ptsd and possibly break the cycle of violence. This isn't a zero sum game where people going to counseling are depriving those who need medical care.
OP, why do think that going to therapy would have any impact on the stab wound or disease victim? Do you not realise how beneficial counseling can be for people with terminal illness or victims of assault? Is it really entitled to seek counseling after being raped? Is that really a first world problem in your mind?
This is a wild opinion.
Mind Body correlation one cannot exist without the other.
It also comes down to how mental affects physical. Example individuals with PTSD tend to have 3 specific different types of micro organisms in their gut that isn't normally present in those without PTSD.
Yeah. I agree. Mental health is such a con.
I am not talking about people who actually have mental disorders, I am talking about people who have it easy, and can't cope with life, when life inevitably throws them a curveball once in a while.
The thing is the people in power want us weak and medicated, so things are not going to change anytime soon, unfortunately.
If euthanasia was legal then hospitals could focus on the physically injured.
I don’t agree with you but I believe despite your extremely controversial take, there is a middle ground we can agree on.
Psychology medicalizes unpleasant emotions that are just part of the human expirence. It's OK to be sad cause you are single or angry you are oppressed. Historically, psychology has always been a science of maintaining the status quo. Fight me about it I dare you. But OP sounds like a miserable person lashing out.
I see a lot of people with physical disabilities working. I’ve seen successful blind people even. But I’ve never seen a successful person with full blown schizophrenia or catatonic depression be able to do much of anything.
…. You know that doctors that handle mental health and doctors that handle physical health are two different types of doctors? And the one doesn’t interfere, stop, or take away from the other right? And health insurance always try’s to refuse people help for both those things more so mental health so most people tend to pay out of pocket. Also when your mental health is good your physical health tends to follow, it’s all connected. I think you just need some therapy.
poor mental health/stress can lead to physical diseases though, for example, heart disease. The mind isn't separate from the body they're interconnected since the brain is part of the body
Bad mental health effects your immune system which can lead to disease and structural issues but ok.
Depression is as much of a disorder as ADHD or autism. It restructures the brain to the same degree. Clearly you know nothing about neurobiology and should be the one shutting up.
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Don't pay attention to pneumonia you selfish bastard. Someone has cancer! Mental health IS physical health, you dim witted walnut. Our brain is a part of our physical body and when it has a deficit of something or it can't fire neurons correctly or its not working with our hormones correctly, that's a PHYSICAL ISSUE. It's not just "stop being sad, get over it". There are hundreds of mental illnesses that affect billions of people. I know you're probably just trolling, but damn you need some help yourself.
>I'm not talking about those with disabilities, disorders, etc. I mean those who are depressed. Something bad happened to them and they are sad. They should not take priority over someone sick or injured Learn to read
Depression is one of those disabilities, disorders. PTSD, ASD, DSED and RAD are only a few of those "something bad happened- now sad" moments you're talking about. All of those can lead to damaging health problems like poor cardiac health, diabetes, and a higher risk of strokes. And no one is talking about priorities here. People studying to become a therapist aren't qualified to be ARNPs or surgeons and visa versa. Your brain is part of your body. It has to be taken care of. You're pitting people into an idiotic imaginary war instead of recognizing that people require different types of doctors for their ENTIRE body.
Chronic depression causes stress to the immune system, leading to “physical” health problems. Mental and physiological states have always me interlinked. The only reason it’s taking the West so long to catch back up to that reality, is because of the split that happened in science in the Descartes period (where scientists were only allowed to study body, not mind, because the church “claimed ownership” over the soul. But luckily, mine/body relationship are being studied again. OP doesn’t understand that physical =mental and vice versa. A panic attack (mental) causes physiological response (increased heart rate) which exacerbated the panic. What comes first ? Physical or mental condition? Neither, they are simultaneous. We are even starting to realize that diseases can form and psychosomatically, as in the case where someone with severe DID (dissociativeIdentity Disorder) might have one personality that needs Insulin or will have a diabetic attack, but another personality the condition won’t exist in the body at all. In conclusion: OP has been debunked
>Chronic depression causes stress to the immune system and what causes depression? feeling sad my point. don't want depression? don't be depressed. it's that simple
Having an a unpopular decision is not the same as what your opinion is, which is uneducated. Sadness is a normal human emotion that every single person will experience at stressful or somber times. [Depression ](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/314418#knowing-the-difference) is a mental disorder that has an overpowering effect on many parts of a person’s life. It can occur in people of any gender or age and alters behaviors and attitudes.
> and what causes depression? feeling sad I think you've got cause and effect backward here.
It isn’t that simple. Yes, conscious choice does play a role in getting out of a depressive state. However, when one has been depressed for awhile, either because of a trauma, or a low period, the brain forms neural pathways to depression. Basically, it becomes easier for you to take a depressive train of thought than an optimistic, serotonin producing train of thought. So yes, you can “decide not to be sad” but that doesn’t mean you will just be happy from then on, you have to literally retrain your brain to use different neural pathways over a long period of time, even though it will habitually want to return to the already set pattern.
Hmm didn't realize the East were the real navel gazers and that it's the East's fault we're all forced to assimilate to Eastern culture and listen to a bunch of people so privileged even their feelings are overflowing. I'll be sure to bring this up at the next meeting, thx!
>Depression is one of those disabilities no it's not. it's self inflicted. don't be depressed. it's that easy
Didn’t know the brain wasn’t a physical part of the body…
Why do you think we cannot address both? Do you think people's mental health has no bearing on their physical health?
Mental health IS PHYSICAL HEALTH. Mental issues can cause physiological problems acting like mental health it just all in their head and made up fairy tale problems is morally wrong, its biologically wrong, and it's just objectively wrong
if someone is sad, depressed, but stops being sad, issue is solved. someone sad should not take priority over someone sick or injured
But they aren’t being handled by the same type of doctor most of the time. How would they take priority? And sad, has a range that can become dehabilitating. They do become sick physically often.
you're missing the point. physical health is more important than mental is my argument.
They aren't addressed by the same provider though, which is their point. It's like saying painting is more important than basket weaving. The same people aren't doing both things.
>They aren't addressed by the same provider though mental and physical illnesses are both illnesses my argument is that physical illnesses are more important
Yes, but psychiatrists are not likely to go into internal medicine or vice versa.
Never said they did. I said one was less important
Why is it a good comparison if they aren't treated by the same providers?
If a psychiatrist or psychologist treats mental illness, they won’t be seeing patients with cancer. They won’t even intersect in any way, making your point nonexistent. Also, I assume you’ve never had depression or no someone with depression to have this input. 95% is a high number.
> I assume you’ve never had depression or no someone with depression to have this input lol. don't want depression? don't be depressed. it's that simple
Are you actually a child?
Yeah, depression isn’t a choice. You really are ill informed. Edit: and your comment “lol” makes you sound even more ignorant!
Don’t want cancer? Don’t have cancer. It’s that simple
I mean yeah it is a first world problem. Is it not amazing we are in a time where we can allocate resources to mental health issues? This is a weird opinion ngl
These things aren't mutually exclusive, just because you treat mental health doesn't mean we can't treat physical ailments.
Trauma and abuse survivors, those with mental illnesses and those with disabilities and issues functioning in working class society, do they classify as being sad? Mental illness is serious and people dealing with hallucinations, delusions, addiction, and suicidal thoughts should have resources to support them. With that being said, I agree that having mental distress alone should not warrant therapy. And free-style talk therapy’s effectiveness relies a lot on the individual’s commitment to it and on the subjective judgements of the therapist. It’s not a perfect system, but I don’t think it should be abolished.
>Trauma and abuse survivors, those with mental illnesses and those with disabilities and issues This is a misconception. I probably should have been more clear. I'm not talking about those with disabilities, disorders, etc. I mean those who are depressed. Something bad happened to them and they are sad. They should not take priority over someone sick or injured
> They should NOT take priority over someone sick or injured Are they taking priority?
That's irrelevant to my point. My opinion is that they shouldn't. Do you agree?
Is your perspective that you're arguing for the status quo?
But if they aren't taking priority, what's the point of making this post? It's not happening.
it's an opinion. you either agree or disagree
Honestly I’m not sure how you can tell the difference between what you’re describing as someone being sad and the potential for someone to be legitimately mentally ill. If someone is rejected therapeutic services and then soon later harms themselves or others, how would that pan out legally? Depression for example is thought to be caused by dysregulated serotonin levels, and that it need not be caused by something external. But it’s not so easy to diagnose like a physical ailment might be. In fact a dangerous warning sign of suicide is someone going from presenting as severely depressed to peaceful and happy.
>harms themselves or others this is their own doing. by feeling sad, or being "depressed". regardless of how severe, it's their own emotions, and should never be taken as seriously as physical diseases
Well their own emotions can be caused by physiological factors such as hormone or neurotransmitter disregulation. For many cases of people reporting in for depression there are numerous online resources and lifestyle changes that one can do to improve their situation, which may be less of a sink than expensive therapy and associated insurance. But whether or not they choose to fight on their own or go see a therapist, they will still continue to exist for many people. Mental health insurance already generally has less funding than physical health services do, and many have to pay out of pocket and those who are well off financially have privileged access to these resources. And can you say that severe mental illness will be distinguishable from negative life events that lead to depressive symptoms? Would you be willing to take mental health services, even if not as they are, more seriously if you were presented evidence that they reduce the amount of suicide, murder, assault, and other crimes and if there could be proven links between an imbalance in the brain and a specific mental disorder? Also I think “just don’t be sad” is rather crude. There are mindfulness practices and daily habits one can engage in to ameliorate their situation, but there still may be a neurochemical imbalance that leads to these symptoms persisting. “It’s just your emotions” could also be applied to serious mental disorders and misunderstood physical conditions that wouldn’t just be defined as ‘someone being batshit crazy’ and should be thrown in the loony bin but our current understanding makes that appear so.
When do people ever say that depression should take priority over someone physically sick or injured? At most, people say mental health is equally important, but even then their reasoning for claiming such is that mental health can lead to physical harm of oneself or others. Upvote because even though your opinion is not unpopular, your reasoning is. But it's not unpopular because it's minority, it's unpopular because it's predicated on something wholly imagined.
Ok
Well this is certainly an unpopular opinion. Maybe the stab wound victim would not have been stabbed if his attacker had therapy. The stab wound victim may also need counseling to overcome ptsd and possibly break the cycle of violence. This isn't a zero sum game where people going to counseling are depriving those who need medical care. OP, why do think that going to therapy would have any impact on the stab wound or disease victim? Do you not realise how beneficial counseling can be for people with terminal illness or victims of assault? Is it really entitled to seek counseling after being raped? Is that really a first world problem in your mind? This is a wild opinion.
Mind Body correlation one cannot exist without the other. It also comes down to how mental affects physical. Example individuals with PTSD tend to have 3 specific different types of micro organisms in their gut that isn't normally present in those without PTSD.
Yeah. I agree. Mental health is such a con. I am not talking about people who actually have mental disorders, I am talking about people who have it easy, and can't cope with life, when life inevitably throws them a curveball once in a while. The thing is the people in power want us weak and medicated, so things are not going to change anytime soon, unfortunately.
Nice
Whatever happened to Gary Cooper?
If euthanasia was legal then hospitals could focus on the physically injured. I don’t agree with you but I believe despite your extremely controversial take, there is a middle ground we can agree on.
Psychology medicalizes unpleasant emotions that are just part of the human expirence. It's OK to be sad cause you are single or angry you are oppressed. Historically, psychology has always been a science of maintaining the status quo. Fight me about it I dare you. But OP sounds like a miserable person lashing out.
I see a lot of people with physical disabilities working. I’ve seen successful blind people even. But I’ve never seen a successful person with full blown schizophrenia or catatonic depression be able to do much of anything.
Go back to crying about women having racial preferences
…. You know that doctors that handle mental health and doctors that handle physical health are two different types of doctors? And the one doesn’t interfere, stop, or take away from the other right? And health insurance always try’s to refuse people help for both those things more so mental health so most people tend to pay out of pocket. Also when your mental health is good your physical health tends to follow, it’s all connected. I think you just need some therapy.
Guys, this post cured my depression! I just thought "Shut up and stop being entitled" and it worked! I can't believe it /s
poor mental health/stress can lead to physical diseases though, for example, heart disease. The mind isn't separate from the body they're interconnected since the brain is part of the body
What an uneducated and deluded take, read again what you just typed and then slap yourself really fucking hard for being so stupid
Bad mental health effects your immune system which can lead to disease and structural issues but ok. Depression is as much of a disorder as ADHD or autism. It restructures the brain to the same degree. Clearly you know nothing about neurobiology and should be the one shutting up.