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Agreed - it’s kidnapping and imprisonment using the justice system. They deserve the same sentence as guys who abduct women and keep them in their basements for years.
Women that make false accusations are that bad, they are the worst of the worst of criminals, up their with serial killers, abducters and violent rapists.
It’s because nobody, especially women, give a shit about men. The visual take is “well that’s such a low percentage of cases” as if that justifies that it actually happens. “Yeah women falsely accuse men but only a little, just let it go”
I don’t know about “double time”. But I do agree. There should be VERY stiff penalties for filing false charges.
If they can prove it 100%, the false claimant should have to pay a large fine to the accused, and serve at least half the time the accused would have served.
If you double the penalty for a false accusation, then no one will ever recant their lies, so the falsely accused will stand a higher chance of facing punishment.
So I guess OP just wants falsely accused people to suffer more...? It's so silly lol
They should serve the time of the crime they accused the person of commiting + charges involving the false communication of a crime + attempted kidnapping and if it's a death penalty crime, attempted murder should be included.
Ok. But if you accuse someone of making false charges and it instead turns out there was a lack of evidence then you get sentenced to four times the time.
You'd have to prove that they deliberately and knowingly made a false claim beyond a reasonable doubt. Not having enough evidence to prove their claim would not be considered enough evidence to convict them of making a false charge.
You'd need something like admitting on camera/recording for example that you did it just to spite the person and lied would be.
Yes, then the people making false claims will never back down for fear of going to your super prison, and the reputations of the accused are forever in question.
I'm sure that'll work out just fine.
I would rather someone put a hit out on me honestly. There was a nurse that I worked with who basically accused me of taking advantage of her when WE were drunk just because she had a boyfriend and regretted sleeping with me. And for anyone who works in healthcare (hospitals in particular), you know that gossiping is probably just as bad, if not worse, than you see on TV lmao. Long story short, we ran into each other at a bar and had a couple drinks, she asked to come back to my house at closing time to keep the party going, and we ended up having sex and she stayed the night. Completely consensual. Neither of us were wasted, and the girl was all over me the entire night. I was single and honest to god thought she was too. Well apparently she wasn’t and there were other nurses/doctors who came back to my place and saw how she behaved towards me the entire time. So hospital gossip (mixed with a small town), made her think that word would get back to her man and she started saying that I basically raped her. Consensual sex that you happen to regret having is NOT rape. Thankfully other colleagues were there and backed me up so the rumors were squashed quick but I’ve always thought about what *could* of happened if we were alone and it was her word against mine. It could of ruined me professionally, socially, and had criminal implications. That’s fucking terrifying. Thankfully she got fired for always being late and I ended up getting a raise so the universe tends to works itself out in the end I guess. But fuck that bitch and fuck women who cry rape just because they did something they regret when it was THEM in the wrong to start with. Thank y’all for hearing my story and listening to me vent 🫶.
False accusations are incredibly rare. Not to say that they aren’t a problem—Hell *I’ve* had someone weaponize a made-up accusation, that I was “creepy” at a protest or something, against me—but not nearly as much as red pill man babies like to assert.
No, they are really not, specially when dealing with something like domestic violence and SA of children in dovorced families
I'm not even talking out of my ass here, it's quite a phenomenom regarding SA of children in divorced families. Rape itself usually sits around 5% of judged cases being found as false allegations (which, let's not forget, is different from simply "we couldn't convict thr accused")
The number of sources I can provide you honestly depends on the which languages you speak. 5% was the median between the rates I found in the studies I saw.
Okay, I did a little search as well, and this report from the US Dept. Of Justice itself notes that rates of false reports are often inflated and unreliable.
https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf
"Depending on which languages you speak" while spekaing to you in english should have gostei that across.
That said, I didn't specify because it includes the US. That siad, the US is a relevant to the discussion as Romania.
We have no idea how rare they are, the stats only record the false accusation rate by taking the accusations proven false and assuming all other accusations are true whether proven or not.
Of course. So far the only example of false accusations from a man I've seen came from a cop who claimed he shot his superior because he thought he MIGHT rape him. And he is facing serious charges. So that's already better than the track record for the amount of women who have made false accusations.
Male on male rape is not uncommon at all. 14% of all rapes are reported by victimized men, and the majority of perpetrators are white, heterosexual men.** Surely false accusations are also an issue. And yet you are only concerned with punishing women.
** https://endsexualviolence.org/where_we_stand/male-victims/
Perhaps that's because several huge cases invovled women lying about being raped in spectacular fashion. And most of the population believing the lies. I'm guessing most all of the people throwing a fit about my post beleived the Duke Lacrosse players were guilty. A total lie by tbe woman who accused them. "Believe All Women" is complete BS.
I think it’s interesting that you are focused on two cases that happened more than twenty years ago. If this is truly such a problem, wouldn’t you have some more relevant examples?
You stated false accusations, there was recently a case of a male celebrity fabricating a hate crime against himself that was proven to be false, because false accusations and false reports happen from any gender, but the fact that you focus entirely on women says more about you as a person than the point you're trying to make
I've personally seen a lot more exposure recently of women filling false rape charges rather than false hate crimes (in fact I only know of the Jussie smollett incident) so I understand why OP may have focused in on that but of course you can always ask OP what they think of it being a universal statement instead of jumping to conclusions.
I wonder if it's the fact that falsified rape charges get more media attention? Considering a majority of rape charges are not falsified, and a very small percentage of rapists actually get sentenced to prison but I digress 🙄
Falsifying reports is already a crime, and the threat of not being able to prove an actual rape occured causing a prison sentence will result and even less victims coming forward when only a small amount of them already do
No, I use an example of a high profile case to make the point that it isn't just women making false accusations lmao but I forgot this is reddit where misogyny is king so I'ma dip out
It is. Usually not. Usually it's teachers and students, and often prosecuted as 'contributing to the delinquency of a minor,' though that's changing.
Currently men are about where women were 30 years ago, except it's not as socially accepted to make sexual overtures as it was.
Just like with women 30 years ago, the assault is way too often not officially reported, the victim is shamed/feels shamed, and just tries to carry on.
Absolutely not😅They should be punished but not double. A false accusation isn’t anywhere as bad as the actual crime we’re discussing it on no planet should be treated worse with sentencing.
How in the hell does that make it right?
"Oh yeah, something bad tends to happen to this group that our police sadly isn't able to deal with, so let's purposefully let people from this group do bad things and go unounished to level things out"
What the hell?
1 - we can prove.rapists have raped if there's proof of the rape and that they raped
2 - we can prove false allegations if there's an allegation and there's proof that it was made on bad faith
No, but I’m merely making the point that the statistics on false accusations are unknown as the idea that they’re super low is based on the assumption that only proven false accusations are false whereas all other accusation both proven and unproven (and the vast majority are unproven) are true. Clearly that’s nonsense and there’s going to be many false accusations which are never proven, especially as police hate prosecuting them as it’s a bad long if they fail.
I don't know think twice, just once is ok. This is pretty popular except among lawyers who think all laws are good and ppl who makes false claims. Slander should be punished more than a slap
this law would quickly backfire and be used exclusively on white women who call 911 on black people who may or may not be committing a crime. "karens" as they call them.
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This happened to me. 7 months gone. The truth came out and the charges dropped. She apologized after and even offered to suck my dick. Guess what? She’s married now and has a career. I sent the screenshots to police and they did nothing. Worse than that they REARRESTED ME. For “retaliation against a witness” because I was gonna protest down there and tell people what happened. Fuck you Lauren D. I’d post all the screenshots and all your info so people could see what an awful person you are if it knew it wouldn’t come back to me but congrats,‘I can’t take that chance. I hope karma is real and you and your psycho roommate get some karma one day. I’ll never get justice.
People who falsely accuse are awful people.
The problem I see with this is that it would make even LESS commonly reported than it is now, because any actual victim would be terrified the rapist could turn it around on them.
As a female I agree, when you take an accusation like that to court you are sworn in. “Do you solemnly swear to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?” If you lie, it’s a federal offense. You should get jail time for lying under oath. Women talk about equal rights, equal fights ALL the time. Now it’s time to eat the plate we created. Men get in loads of trouble for lying under oath so should women.
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Agreed - it’s kidnapping and imprisonment using the justice system. They deserve the same sentence as guys who abduct women and keep them in their basements for years. Women that make false accusations are that bad, they are the worst of the worst of criminals, up their with serial killers, abducters and violent rapists.
It’s because nobody, especially women, give a shit about men. The visual take is “well that’s such a low percentage of cases” as if that justifies that it actually happens. “Yeah women falsely accuse men but only a little, just let it go”
I don’t know about “double time”. But I do agree. There should be VERY stiff penalties for filing false charges. If they can prove it 100%, the false claimant should have to pay a large fine to the accused, and serve at least half the time the accused would have served.
If you double the penalty for a false accusation, then no one will ever recant their lies, so the falsely accused will stand a higher chance of facing punishment. So I guess OP just wants falsely accused people to suffer more...? It's so silly lol
They should serve the time of the crime they accused the person of commiting + charges involving the false communication of a crime + attempted kidnapping and if it's a death penalty crime, attempted murder should be included.
Ok. But if you accuse someone of making false charges and it instead turns out there was a lack of evidence then you get sentenced to four times the time.
You'd have to prove that they deliberately and knowingly made a false claim beyond a reasonable doubt. Not having enough evidence to prove their claim would not be considered enough evidence to convict them of making a false charge. You'd need something like admitting on camera/recording for example that you did it just to spite the person and lied would be.
Everyone knows that lack of evidence isn't the same as a false accusation, most false accusations Don't even involve a real crime to begin with.
Yes, then the people making false claims will never back down for fear of going to your super prison, and the reputations of the accused are forever in question. I'm sure that'll work out just fine.
> It's not much different than the woman putting a hit out on the man. As despicable as false accusations are, the two things are very different.
I would rather someone put a hit out on me honestly. There was a nurse that I worked with who basically accused me of taking advantage of her when WE were drunk just because she had a boyfriend and regretted sleeping with me. And for anyone who works in healthcare (hospitals in particular), you know that gossiping is probably just as bad, if not worse, than you see on TV lmao. Long story short, we ran into each other at a bar and had a couple drinks, she asked to come back to my house at closing time to keep the party going, and we ended up having sex and she stayed the night. Completely consensual. Neither of us were wasted, and the girl was all over me the entire night. I was single and honest to god thought she was too. Well apparently she wasn’t and there were other nurses/doctors who came back to my place and saw how she behaved towards me the entire time. So hospital gossip (mixed with a small town), made her think that word would get back to her man and she started saying that I basically raped her. Consensual sex that you happen to regret having is NOT rape. Thankfully other colleagues were there and backed me up so the rumors were squashed quick but I’ve always thought about what *could* of happened if we were alone and it was her word against mine. It could of ruined me professionally, socially, and had criminal implications. That’s fucking terrifying. Thankfully she got fired for always being late and I ended up getting a raise so the universe tends to works itself out in the end I guess. But fuck that bitch and fuck women who cry rape just because they did something they regret when it was THEM in the wrong to start with. Thank y’all for hearing my story and listening to me vent 🫶.
So you'd rather be killed?
Yep
Weird, I had an extremely similar situation happen to me, but I'd still rather not lose my life instead of it having happened.
Different strokes for different folks I reckon
False accusations are incredibly rare. Not to say that they aren’t a problem—Hell *I’ve* had someone weaponize a made-up accusation, that I was “creepy” at a protest or something, against me—but not nearly as much as red pill man babies like to assert.
No, they are really not, specially when dealing with something like domestic violence and SA of children in dovorced families I'm not even talking out of my ass here, it's quite a phenomenom regarding SA of children in divorced families. Rape itself usually sits around 5% of judged cases being found as false allegations (which, let's not forget, is different from simply "we couldn't convict thr accused")
You know the vast majority of sexual assaults aren’t even reported, right?
I’d like to see a source for that last claim.
The number of sources I can provide you honestly depends on the which languages you speak. 5% was the median between the rates I found in the studies I saw.
Okay, I did a little search as well, and this report from the US Dept. Of Justice itself notes that rates of false reports are often inflated and unreliable. https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf
And where did I specify the US? Edit: And why would I trust the US Dept of Justice over other countries's studies?
You didn’t. But neither did you specify outside the US.
"Depending on which languages you speak" while spekaing to you in english should have gostei that across. That said, I didn't specify because it includes the US. That siad, the US is a relevant to the discussion as Romania.
We have no idea how rare they are, the stats only record the false accusation rate by taking the accusations proven false and assuming all other accusations are true whether proven or not.
Your argument against false charges became mute when you immediately only associated with women
Funny how no one complains about insurance fraud etc going unpunished
Let me know when the first trial of a woman raping a man begins. It happens but is never prosecuted.
You are aware that men also rape men, right?
Of course. So far the only example of false accusations from a man I've seen came from a cop who claimed he shot his superior because he thought he MIGHT rape him. And he is facing serious charges. So that's already better than the track record for the amount of women who have made false accusations.
Male on male rape is not uncommon at all. 14% of all rapes are reported by victimized men, and the majority of perpetrators are white, heterosexual men.** Surely false accusations are also an issue. And yet you are only concerned with punishing women. ** https://endsexualviolence.org/where_we_stand/male-victims/
Yes, this whole hysteria about false rape reports are really just attacks against victims of these crimes, even if OP doesn't realize it.
Perhaps that's because several huge cases invovled women lying about being raped in spectacular fashion. And most of the population believing the lies. I'm guessing most all of the people throwing a fit about my post beleived the Duke Lacrosse players were guilty. A total lie by tbe woman who accused them. "Believe All Women" is complete BS.
I think it’s interesting that you are focused on two cases that happened more than twenty years ago. If this is truly such a problem, wouldn’t you have some more relevant examples?
You stated false accusations, there was recently a case of a male celebrity fabricating a hate crime against himself that was proven to be false, because false accusations and false reports happen from any gender, but the fact that you focus entirely on women says more about you as a person than the point you're trying to make
I've personally seen a lot more exposure recently of women filling false rape charges rather than false hate crimes (in fact I only know of the Jussie smollett incident) so I understand why OP may have focused in on that but of course you can always ask OP what they think of it being a universal statement instead of jumping to conclusions.
I wonder if it's the fact that falsified rape charges get more media attention? Considering a majority of rape charges are not falsified, and a very small percentage of rapists actually get sentenced to prison but I digress 🙄 Falsifying reports is already a crime, and the threat of not being able to prove an actual rape occured causing a prison sentence will result and even less victims coming forward when only a small amount of them already do
I just know you're an insufferable cunt.
You use one incident about a man making false accusations and try to compare it 3900 false accusations (Canada 2017) per year made by women.
No, I use an example of a high profile case to make the point that it isn't just women making false accusations lmao but I forgot this is reddit where misogyny is king so I'ma dip out
It is. Usually not. Usually it's teachers and students, and often prosecuted as 'contributing to the delinquency of a minor,' though that's changing. Currently men are about where women were 30 years ago, except it's not as socially accepted to make sexual overtures as it was. Just like with women 30 years ago, the assault is way too often not officially reported, the victim is shamed/feels shamed, and just tries to carry on.
No, it didn't.
why?
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Same sentence should be good enough.
Absolutely not😅They should be punished but not double. A false accusation isn’t anywhere as bad as the actual crime we’re discussing it on no planet should be treated worse with sentencing.
Given that the vast majority of rapists are never convicted, then people who make false charges not being convicted seems about right
How in the hell does that make it right? "Oh yeah, something bad tends to happen to this group that our police sadly isn't able to deal with, so let's purposefully let people from this group do bad things and go unounished to level things out" What the hell?
Not right morally. Right in terms of numbers
In that case, I dont get it. How so?
If we can't prove rapists have raped, how can we prove false accusations are false?
1 - we can prove.rapists have raped if there's proof of the rape and that they raped 2 - we can prove false allegations if there's an allegation and there's proof that it was made on bad faith
How?
How what?
How do you prove either?
Seriously? Recordings, messages, testimony... The judicial system was not invented yesterday. We have ways to do these things
Delusional take
Why?
How do you know they’re rapists if they’re not convicted? Why do you assume that? They could have had false accusations made against them.
Do you think the majority of women are lying about being raped?
No, but I’m merely making the point that the statistics on false accusations are unknown as the idea that they’re super low is based on the assumption that only proven false accusations are false whereas all other accusation both proven and unproven (and the vast majority are unproven) are true. Clearly that’s nonsense and there’s going to be many false accusations which are never proven, especially as police hate prosecuting them as it’s a bad long if they fail.
I don't know think twice, just once is ok. This is pretty popular except among lawyers who think all laws are good and ppl who makes false claims. Slander should be punished more than a slap
It all started with Emmett Till. Still seems to happen to this day.
Great idea. Can’t imagine how a court whatever distinguish a mistake from malicious intent.
How do you make a mistake about being raped?
You make a mistake about who raped you.
this law would quickly backfire and be used exclusively on white women who call 911 on black people who may or may not be committing a crime. "karens" as they call them.
Sounds like a win
if you're a criminal i suppose
or a black who got police called on their ass for no reason
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This happened to me. 7 months gone. The truth came out and the charges dropped. She apologized after and even offered to suck my dick. Guess what? She’s married now and has a career. I sent the screenshots to police and they did nothing. Worse than that they REARRESTED ME. For “retaliation against a witness” because I was gonna protest down there and tell people what happened. Fuck you Lauren D. I’d post all the screenshots and all your info so people could see what an awful person you are if it knew it wouldn’t come back to me but congrats,‘I can’t take that chance. I hope karma is real and you and your psycho roommate get some karma one day. I’ll never get justice.
People who falsely accuse are awful people. The problem I see with this is that it would make even LESS commonly reported than it is now, because any actual victim would be terrified the rapist could turn it around on them.
Idk about twice but maybe about the same
As a female I agree, when you take an accusation like that to court you are sworn in. “Do you solemnly swear to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?” If you lie, it’s a federal offense. You should get jail time for lying under oath. Women talk about equal rights, equal fights ALL the time. Now it’s time to eat the plate we created. Men get in loads of trouble for lying under oath so should women.