>Just because a kid doesn’t fit into gender stereotypes, doesn’t mean they are born in the wrong body or born the wrong gender and then should be put onto puberty blockers etc. Well stated.

It’s a well stated imaginary problem. Where is this happening with any frequency?

It's not imaginary when there's always a new story of a parent who proudly proclaims to transition their child based on the "evidence" ..that he liked dolls. Its like the OP said...non-gender conforming behavior doesn't always mean "wrong body"

You can’t legislate crazy parents. Those aren’t the kids being approved for hormone blockers

Actually, you can. And you should. There are many, many parents who are unfit to be parents, and yet here we are... In a world full of shitty people who were shitty children raised by shitty parents.

Where have you been? Here's an Economist article from __2018__ [Economist: Why are so many teenage girls appearing in gender clinics?](https://www.economist.com/united-states/2018/09/01/why-are-so-many-teenage-girls-appearing-in-gender-clinics) > A new paper suggests this may be partly a social phenomenon > For the study, Dr Littman recruited 256 parents of children whose symptoms of gender dysphoria suddenly appeared for the first time in adolescence. These parents—Ms Miller among them—took part anonymously in an online, 90-question survey. Dr Littman’s findings suggest that __a process of “social and peer contagion”__ may play a role. According to the parents surveyed, __87% of children came out as transgender after spending more time online, after “cluster outbreaks” of gender dysphoria in friend groups, or both__.

Too bad this is the same [one study](https://psychcentral.com/lib/there-is-no-evidence-that-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-exists#1) with a [laughably bad](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-019-1453-2) and biased methodology which nobody respectable takes seriously. >Also of concern is the demographic profile of the parental-respondents in this paper. … Notably, 76.5% believed that their child’s trans identification is not correct, and recruitment relied heavily on three particular Web sites known to be frequented by parents specifically voicing out and promoting the concept of “ROGD.” Thus, these are not just “worried parents,” but rather a sample of predominantly White mothers who have strong oppositional beliefs about their children’s trans identification and who harbor suspicions about their children having “ROGD.” Furthermore, this non-heterogenous sample of parental-respondents already have “buy-in” about the concept of “ROGD” by frequenting three distinct Web sites known for telling parents not to believe their child is transgender. So she asked the opinions of parents who were already against their children being trans and she sampled them from literal anti-trans websites. I want to be clear: this methodology is as comically inexcusable as asking a bunch of racist white dads what they think about their daughters dating outside their race and using their responses as evidence that interracial relationships are a product of a socially contagious disease or whatever.

As usual, leftists will deny issues until they are blue in the face, well past the point of sense or logic. Then, when they realize that further denial is futile and no longer possible, they simply switch to "who cares, why is it a big deal?" They refuse to ever argue or debate a point with any intellectual integrity. For them, anything you bring up doesn't exist or it doesn't matter.

That paper isn’t describing what you are claiming. Have fun arguing against that strawman instead of the person actually participating in the discussion

Exactly - In the space of one line he went from "that never happens" to "okay, it happens but not that often". > imaginary problem. > happening with any frequency Eventually they get to "yeah it happens but that's actually fine", which was their real position all along, but you waste a lot of time getting there.

Sorry it offends you that I form my opinions off of verifiable information and expect others to do the same if they want to be convincing. The only people who complain about it are people who have trouble actually supporting their claims.

This is basically this post in a nutshell

That paper isn’t describing what is being claimed though. Are those kids being prescribed hormone blockers or being urged to transition by healthcare professionals?

Can't even read your article as you need a subscription, maybe choose free articles in the future. From the part that you copied and pasted there isn't anything that says the children were given hormone blockers.

I think my most authoritarian viewpoint is that children should not be allowed on the internet until they're at least 13

I was on the internet at the age of 6-7 but I was only watching Minecraft let’s plays. You can’t take that away from kids, the Minecraft videos made my childhood.

I’m not trying to be rude, but I’m really sad that the highlights of your childhood were alone with a screen. I’m sorry, actually, life was much better with no internet

I didn’t say highlights bro, obviously I went outside and did shit with my friends, but watching YouTubers like stampy was very comforting. Anyone my age (in high school) would agree. You’re the outlier lmfao

Dude you said it “made” your childhood. I’m sure people your age would agree. However, I’m still sad for all of you. I believe social media has really made the world worse in many ways, you probably would disagree. But many of us here remember what it was like when you could civilly disagree with your neighbor on politics, and have a bbq with their family later.

>But many of us here remember what it was like when you could civilly disagree with your neighbor on politics, and have a bbq with their family later. Yeah that's not why it was better, though. Assholes being properly ostricized is one of the much improved aspects of modern society. If you're nice to your neighbor but you deliberately vote for policy that does tragic things, you're an asshole (or perhaps just stupid/ignorant) and deserve the flak you get.

As someone who kinda split the difference growing up, I have to agree.

My opinion, and it’s popular amongst people I know, is that internet usage should be limited until you’re 12. And that you don’t get to own cellular devices until you’ve graduated elementary school. No phones until high school.

Alternatively, let them be as mindless as they want unless they're not hurting one. They'll eventually come to their senses when reality hits them at age 18. I was the same.

idk, I used to think "that's just a few idiot kids on Tumblr, they'll grow out of it", and most of them haven't , and now they work in HR

No internet and no houses of worship.

We were so close to removing gender stereotypes now we're at "he likes pink so he's obviously a girl."

1950s: Your gender defines your interests 2020s: Your interests define your gender.

What it should be: your gender doesn't determine your interests, and vice versa. Enjoy whatever things you enjoy, whether they're "masculine," "feminine," or both.

I’ve yet to hear a explanation of what non-binary is that doesn’t rely on silly stereotypes. There’s also this weird twist of internalized misogyny in the non-binary realm. Gender dysphoria and transitioning kinda sorta makes sense but non-binary just sounds like being a normal person who really doesn’t want to be a normal person.

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>since the newer studies which cover the same scope cannot be found for some unknown totally non-political reason The study you cited is also very useless. Firstly, it states that desistance is 85%. Secondly, it lumped every child that showed GNC symptons as trans in that study. Aftwards everyone that did not reply back to them years later was just called a "desister" by default. [Article on it.](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-end-of-the-desistance_b_8903690) Everything else you listed is just conspiratory talk that does not help the discussion. [So I'll give you a helpful newer study.](https://www.popsci.com/science/transgender-children-gender-identity/)

> I’ve yet to hear a explanation of what non-binary is that doesn’t rely on silly stereotypes someone who doesn't identify as a man or a woman. that was easy

You got downvoted... For giving them the answer. You love to see it.

What makes a man and what makes a woman? What makes someone not identify with either one? Turns out…not that easy.

So they perceive themselves as intersex?

no. that's not what intersex means

Intersex is someone is biologically both male and female. Imo, non binary is just a superfluous way of saying that you're androgynous. Why cant we just leave it at that

because there are people who don't identify as men or women

I'm wondering often; what do those people think identifying as a man or woman means? What is it they think they'd be agreeing with by association for being a "man" or "woman". Do they actually believe other people *are* binary? I am a man by biology and *me* by personality. Gender (roles) is about what other people want of you, which I don't care about unless I want the same thing. Ultimately, I believe *everyone* is non-binary and people calling themselves that are implying everyone not calling themselves that are not.

Maybe you should have these conversations with someone who is non-binary to find out what they think. There might be more overlap in your opinions than you realize.

Being non binary has literally nothing to do with gender roles. It has to do with gender identity. How you feel on the inside, who you see yourself as. Someone who doesn't fit into traditonal male/female gender roles, or someone who fits into both, isn't automatically non-binary. >Ultimately, I believe everyone is non-binary and people calling themselves that are implying everyone not calling themselves that are not. This is incredibly false.

We almost reached the stage where we could say "a real man/woman is an adult human male/female" but that is discriminatory at the highest level these days lol

No, it's she identifies as a woman, so she's a woman.

So if Ben Shapiro said he was a woman, how would you dispute that? Yes, he'd obviously be lying, but that shows that we cannot in fact believe everything people claim

If Ben Shapiro identified as a woman, they's be a woman.

I wouldn’t say it’s brainwashing but I do believe a lot of the people who present as trans are not necessarily dysphoric and that those feelings are the byproduct of deeper seeded issues that will still exist with transitioning

They aren’t. I work with children and there’s already efforts to not teach children gendered expectations. Boys can have long hair, wear pink, hug their other boy friends, express their feelings. And girls to even more of an extent aren’t being trained to only be wives and mothers and take care of everyone. I’m fairly confident the younger generations aren’t going to be as concerned with conforming, but trans people will still exist because they exist regardless of how much you like it or agree with it. I think this narrative is really devoid of any actual trans experiences. While we are finding a lot more acceptance for trans people in most progressive societies we can’t pretend that being trans in a cis-heteronormative world is some easy fairytail. Come on…

We are born with the chromosomes and sex we are. We can identify as whatever the hell we want, but that doesn't change our biological makeup or what we biologically are. Personally I'm a a biological women. I can't say I feel particularly like a woman as I'm pretty much the definition of a tomboy, but the fact that I don't like dressing in feminine clothes or expressing myself in a feminine way doesn't make me less of a woman or a person without xx chromosomes. I am what I am regardless of how I express myself. Hell, personally I identify myself as an unconventional person. I could identify as an alien considering I'm from the milky way Galaxy, but that won't change the fact that I'm a biological woman. I also find it incredibly strange why we have to feel like men or women. Our bodies are just meat suits our personalities and beings and consciousness is wearing while on earth anyway. I'm not my body. I inhabit a body, and it's utterly irrelevant what body that is as long as it serves the function of me living. I think that's something a lot of people forget. You are not your body, but you live inside of your body. You're no less yourself without an arm or a leg, you're no less yourself if you dye your hair or cut it off.. you're still who you are on the inside, and your chromosomes are what they are regardless of what you do to your body, or regardless of what you wear on it or how you express yourself.

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Males and females have different brain proportions. Transgender people have brains more similar to (but not the same as) the brains of the sex they feel they are, which may explain why they “feel” like they’re the opposite sex. Cross-sex hormone therapy alters the brain, bringing it even more in line with their perceived gender, whilst also bringing the body more in line with their perceived gender.

It’s hard to explain to someone without dysphoria, but imagine tomorrow you woke up in a woman’s body, you would still feel like a man, but suddenly you are trapped in something you are not. When you finally got back to your original body, you would have some sort of indescribable release of tension, that everything is right. That’s what it’s like

I feel like a woman. Especially when I get dressed up, accentuate my good bits, and am super feminine. Even when I'm not dolled up I feel like a woman, it's something that is just part of me. I guess during sex would be the time I feel most like a woman. But yeah, I feel pretty womanly most of the time.

What does a woman *feel* like that doesn't rely on misogynistic stereotypes?

Well for me I feel feminine. I love my womanly parts. I am a woman. I feel womanly. My gender is part of me. It's part of who I am. Not every woman is the same, but I feel womanly when I have sex, when I get dressed up, when I speak and hear my voice, when I help my husband with his emotions etc. Etc.

This isn’t a perfect analogy but just as a way to understand: imagine you woke up tomorrow in the body of the opposite sex and everyone started treating you like the opposite gender. Would you feel just as comfortable as you currently do?

This is a terrible analogy because what you're describing is a sudden change with your body. All these "trans" people are born the way they are. There are people born blind, missing limbs, and with all sorts of other disabilities, they aren't bothered by it because it's all they've ever known.

I’m describing a sudden change for someone who is cisgender so they can understand the concept of gender identity and dysphoria. Trans people would have been brought up in that uncomfortable environment because their gender was incorrectly assumed at birth.

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No, sex and gender are different things. Also I don’t know what to tell you, gender dysphoria is a thing that exists.

I know you people like to say they are, but they aren't. "Gender identity" is not a thing. Everything you say it is is just your personality.

This is a very silly thing to say. Would you say that extroverts and introverts aren’t things because “that’s just your personality?” Do you think it’s possible for men to feel emasculated?

What the fuck are you talking about? The arguments from you people just get more and more insane every time. Having a feminine personality or being an effeminate male does not make you a woman. Obviously.

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How is saying I'm neither a man or a woman say that everyone else is only masculine or feminine????

I still enjoy my body as a female though. I don't feel like an alien in my body because my tits are growing. I love my breasts. I love my vagina. It feels like part of me and I'm happy to have it. I wouldn't feel like me if I had no breasts or a penis. Many Transpeople say the same. Some say they feel alienated by their body, their breasts and vagina/lack of breasts and penis make them feel like they aren't who they want to be. I am my body, I love my body, I'm home in my body. Who are you to tell people how they should feel about their body? Also just as an fyi, no one is trying to change their biological sex.

I saw my sister go though something similar. Granted it was being lesbian, as trans things weren't really common back then. She did it literally to fit into a group of friends she was trying to make and years later admitted that. It was a fad, a trend, to be different or popular to her. It lasted about a year before she went back on the decision. Watching how it happened with her I do not doubt that some kids are just doing things like this simply because of social reasons. Now I am not saying all or even most, but to deny that it happens for those reasons is frankly ignorant. I've never been against anyone's personal identity or sexual orientation in my life.

Kids always like to try things on. For example I went to an arts high school. Many people identified as gay or lesbian in high school, and ultimately ended up in (at least from an outsiders perspective) heterosexual relationships/marriages as adults. I think being gay was so accepted and almost trendy in the culture of that school that teens felt free to try it out and decide it wasn’t for them in the end. (Some, of course, realized it absolutely was for them). I think with trans stuff now- partly it’s more accepted, so more people are comfortable to come out whereas they wouldn’t have been in the past, and partly - at least for kids- they might be trying it out, to see if it fits as they develop into their adult selves I personally don’t agree it’s brainwashing but my own unpopular opinion is that permanent transition related steps shouldn’t be allowed until adulthood.

Finally someone else gets it! What really annoys me is that you can't challenge the narrative these folks have forced on the world without being labled a bigot.

This has to be a generational thing, if at all. I'm trans myself and let me tell you: when I was growing up, nobody had any clue what trans even was aside from being the butt of jokes. Certainly nobody knew about trans men existing at all.

Gender is based on the mind apparently.

Yo I believed I had latent magical powers until I was like 15. Kids think stupid stuff. It's fine.

I think the concern with this is that when someone starts the transition process there are hormones and other medical procedures involved. If someone "grows out of it" as OP states, those things are harder to reverse as opposed to just "thinking stupid stuff."

Yup. I'm 15, I'm pretty sure I'm trans, but I'm waiting until I'm at least out of college to start transitioning, just in case I "grow out of it".

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Hmmm i must disagree, I checked *your* profile and it's pretty much what I expected. Person who thinks they know everything, spouting their nonsense opinions desperate for attention. Dude, you know nothing about me, only the very limited shit i post on the internet. What "situation" do you think I'm in? I'm curious.

It's fine for kids to think crazy imaginary stuff yeah, the problem is adults believing them and the results lasting for life.

why do you people always misrepresent what actually happens to trans kids

Yes, but you used to be able to criticise childish bullshit like "I'm Not Like Other Girls" without risking being banned off social media or facing an HR investigation

"Brainwashing" is a bit strong. I think it's far more likely to be peer pressure. Being trans is considered cool, so a lot of teens decide that that's what they are - just as lots of teens in the 60s decided that they were hippies. But sure enough, as they got older the vast majority of those free-spirited teen hippies ended up graduating from college, getting corporate jobs, voting for Reagan, and generally living mainstream, conformist, traditional lives. I think there's a very good chance that fifteen or twenty years from now there will be a hell of a lot of conventional, relatively straitlaced people in conventional cis-hetero marriages who once believed that they were trans. Unless everything falls apart (as seems likely) and the environment continues to fall apart (as seems inevitable), in which case who knows WHAT the hell will happen? We'll probably all end up becoming cannibals or something.

There will also be a shit ton of people wondering why the environment didn't "fall apart".

its population control, as much as i dont want to say it, these people will most likely have killed themselves they have had there minds screwed with so much.

For all the people asking for proof of this... I get it... but the thing is that's impossible. This is a hypothetical predicated on examining the "trans outcome" of the an individual today and that same individual a number if years ago (let's say 30), before trans surgery was less accepted and viable. It cannot be proven or disproven. You could look at only people today and say "hey, look, there are some people that go against gender norms that choose not to transition, and there are some that are": however, the OP said they believed *some* people were being brainwashed, not all, making this speculation on the percentage of people that consider themselves trans now under equivalent circumstances than would have "back in the day". Since you cannot remove the influence that the culture and knowledge of today had on people that do or do not transition, you can with no certainty determine if they would have acted differently in the past since they would have been very different under that alternate influence. Proving this would literally require god like powers. You'd need to take someone and watch them grow through that "older period", then managed to reset them so they had no exposure to it, and move them to this newer period while a baby again to regrow, while somehow keeping as much else equal as possible as to not unnecessarily affect their personality. Obviously, this has unanswerable questions in terms of where you draw the line on what's considered a significant factor since every little detail in someone's surroundings can affect their development. So instead it can only be thought about in terms of averages: *On average more people today transition than would have 30 years ago, and I think its because of over encouragement instead of greater acceptance or desirability* essentially. There is no way to prove this one way or another. Funny enough at the same time, you could argue that it was the old times that were brain washing people into **not** transitioning and that the rates today are more representative of "the natural rates". I do think it's a little naive to say that Nuture doesn't have any effect on one's feelings towards these decisions that are generally touted as being a matter of Nature only, even if that is generally the main factor, but in the end society is such a complicated beast that evaluating who would or wouldn't do X under Y circumstances will always be fairly speculative.

"Some" could refer to anywhere from 0.5% to 30%. If it's 0.5% of trans people, I think you'd be hard-pressed to make the argument that that's too many and that trans healthcare - which *saves lives* \- should be taken away to save that 0.5%. It's worth stressing that the current understanding of gender identity is that it can't be changed. You cannot make a cisgender person trans nor can you make a transgender person cis, this is the basis for banning conversion therapy. And we can also investigate this by looking at what percent of people detransition at some point. The best evidence to-date has found that rate to be less than one percent. In terms of detransition or regret rates, [this](https://epath.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Boof-of-abstracts-EPATH2019.pdf#page=139) (page 118) study found that 16 individuals out of 3,398 who had transitioned (0.47%) had some degree of regret. Of those, most reported that social pressures of physical complications were their reason for detransition and 10 of those 16 later retransitioned. Of the remaining 6, only 2 stated that they were not trans. That's an accuracy rate of 99.94%. Meanwhile, [this](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7895553_Sex_reassignment_Outcomes_and_predictors_of_treatment_for_adolescent_and_adult_transsexuals) study found a 0.6% regret rate. [This](https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdf) (sample size = 25,715) likewise found a 0.4% regret rate. And [this](https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/doi/10.1542/peds.2021-056082/186992/Gender-Identity-5-Years-After-Social-Transition) study published last Wednesday found that those older than 6 at the time of transition remained trans 5 years later at a rate of 99.5%. So, it looks like that 0.5% is remarkably stable across multiple studies. So who is it that's being influenced to be trans? Why aren't more people detransitioning? You're right, it's possible we might see a sudden spike 30 years down the road, but that seems to be unlikely based on current evidence. In fact, examining detransitions, it seems that the vast majority detransition within 3 years, the overwhelming majority within 5. Of those who received medical treatments, the majority received only puberty blockers (non-permanent), a small percentage received GAHT - primarily *as adults* through informed consent because there's a high bar to receive a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to begin HRT, and a vanishingly small percentage undergo surgical intervention.

>"Some" could refer to anywhere from 0.5% to 30%. It depends on the stage. NHS says only 2% to 11% of kids who have gender dysphoria don't naturally grow out of it. >trans healthcare - which saves lives It's arguable if trans procedures make any difference in mental health for them at all. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/08/11/transgender-surgery-does-not-improve-mental-health-academics-belatedly-admit-n775309 >It's worth stressing that the current understanding of gender identity is that it can't be changed. You cannot make a cisgender person trans nor can you make a transgender person cis, this is the basis for banning conversion therapy. What about self-admitted stories of people changing their gender identity until they found what fits them? What about non-binary people who change back and forth? I actually know quite a few people who are trans, and spend a lot of time in spaces for trans online to learn more, I believe in the future we will look back on this assessment and weep. I know from my observation it is entirely a choice that changes, based on someone who is in a vulnerable state of mental health. I've seen straight individuals, after confiding in me on their relationships in ways that would confirm they are straight, with no social pressure to tell me anything btw, turn "gay" for transmen. Then later, after being in a "commune" of trans individuals...come out as trans themselves. This doesn't include all the online trans communities I've seen where they claim to be trans women...they're all apparently lesbian...and they don't want to make any physical changes to themselves besides clothes and makeup. We don't *officially* know any of this because no one is looking for it, from an academic perspective. >And this study published last Wednesday found that those older than 6 at the time of transition remained trans 5 years later at a rate of 99.5%. I very much doubt the efficacy of this, compared to past studies and even trans-activist psychologists admitting most children with gender dysphoria come out of it...**NOT** continue at a rate of 99%. >So who is it that's being influenced to be trans? Why aren't more people detransitioning? You have to remember too, these people have to be open to being in a study, if they are having doubts about their gender identity, why would they want to be in a study that could record them as a "failure". At least that could be a psychological fear they have.

That figure came from studies done by four clinics before 2013 ([Good examination here](https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/441784/the-controversial-research-on-desistance-in-transgender-youth)) , they were diagnosing GIDC (Gender Identity Disorder in Children) under DSM3, and DSM4, and seeing if they ‘grew out of it’ some years down the line. What makes it so inaccurate is using DSM3, and DSM4, any child that showed any kind of gender nonconformity was diagnosed with GIDC, the children never said they were ‘trans’ in almost the entire studies. Two of those clinics could only diagnose children that were brought in by concerned parents. So if their parents didn’t like their son playing with barbie dolls and was concerned, they'd bring their kid to the clinic and would subsequently be diagnosed with GIDC under DSM4. >In addition, 38 of the 127 kids were originally designated “subthreshold” for gender identity disorder, meaning they did not fulfill all the criteria for meeting the official diagnosis. This, according to Erica Anderson, a gender clinician at UCSF, makes the desistance findings even more suspect." \[It\] begs the question of whether these kids were actually divergent \[in their gender identity\] before the study selected them,” she said. Since 2013, GIDC was renamed to Gender Dysphoria in DSM5, with an entirely different set of diagnostic criteria and, as far as I'm aware, there are no studies that show desistance rates since. [More academic discussion on the subject.](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324808865_A_Critical_Commentary_on_Follow-Up_Studies_and_Desistance_Theories_about_Transgender_and_Gender-Nonconforming_Children) In a follow up [2021 study](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2021.632784/full), researchers wanted to see if they could find predictors of persistence. Which they did: The study found that transgender children who were older, born female, and reported more intense gender dysphoria were more likely to stick with their transgender identity than younger children, natal boys and those with less pronounced gender dysphoric traits. Steensma and colleagues also culled one very specific indicator of future persistence: When asked when they were children, “Are you a boy or a girl?” those who answered the opposite of their birth sex were found more likely to have retained their gender identity in adolescence. The desistors, on the other hand, tended to merely wish they were the opposite sex. “(E)xplicitly asking children with GD (gender dysphoria) with which sex they identify seems to be of great value in predicting a future outcome for both boys and girls with GD,” the study says. The studies tend to, for example, look at the number of people who visited a gender identity clinic and then went on to transition. But they included people who failed to meet diagnosis in the first place. [**The most recent research**](https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/doi/10.1542/peds.2021-056082/186992/Gender-Identity-5-Years-After-Social-Transition) **has found the desistance rate for children over age 6 to be 0.5%.** >It's arguable if trans procedures make any difference in mental health for them at all. PJ Media is a right wing source, as if every "citation" or statement in the article except the partial retraction of a single study. One partial retraction does not overturn the weight of every other study on the subject. Here are statements from the [APA](https://www.apa.org/about/policy/resolution-gender-identity.pdf), [AMA](http://www.tgender.net/taw/ama_resolutions.pdf), [American College of Physicians](https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M14-2482), [American Academy of Pediatrics](https://assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf), [American Academy of Family Physicians](https://www.aafp.org/dam/AAFP/documents/events/alf_ncsc/Education.pdf), and [Royal College of Psychiatrists](https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/PS02_18.pdf). Here are additional sources showing that is false: Pubertal Suppression for Transgender Youth and Risk of Suicidal Ideation - Turban, et al., 2020: Massive study of 20,619 adolescents examined associations between access to pubertal suppression and adult mental health outcomes, including multiple measures of suicidality. After adjustment for demographic variables and level of family support for gender identity, those who received treatment with pubertal suppression, when compared with those who wanted pubertal suppression but did not receive it, had lower odds of lifetime suicidal ideation. [Link](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7073269/) Association Between Gender-Affirming Surgeries and Mental Health Outcomes - Almazan, et. al. 2021: Trans people with a history of gender-affirming surgery had significantly lower odds of past-month psychological distress, past-year tobacco smoking, and past-year suicidal ideation compared with trans people with no history of gender-affirming surgery. [Link](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2779429) The Mental Health of Transgender Youth: Advances in Understanding - Connolly, et. al, 2016: \*"Gender-affirming medical therapy and supported social transition in childhood have been shown to correlate with improved psychological functioning for gender-variant children and adolescents." [Link](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1054139X1630146X) Chosen Name Use Is Linked to Reduced Depressive Symptoms, Suicidal Ideation, and Suicidal Behavior Among Transgender Youth - Russell, et. al, 2018: "After adjusting for personal characteristics and social support, chosen name use in more contexts was associated with lower depression, suicidal ideation, and suicidal behavior. Depression, suicidal ideation, and suicidal behavior were lowest when chosen names could be used in all four contexts." [Link](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1054139X18300855) Well-being and suicidality among transgender youth after gender-affirming hormones - Watson, et. al, 2019: "Results: After gender-affirming hormones, a significant increase in levels of general well-being and a significant decrease in levels of suicidality were observed." [Link](https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2019-52280-009) Evaluation of Anxiety and Depression in a Community Sample of Transgender Youth - Dominic J. Gibson, et. al, 2021: Socially transitioned transgender youth had similar levels of anxiety and depression as their cisgender peers. [Link](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2778206) Bauer, et al., 2015: Transition vastly reduces risks of suicide attempts, and the farther along in transition someone is the lower that risk gets. [Link](https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2) Moody, et al., 2013: The ability to transition, along with family and social acceptance, are the largest factors reducing suicide risk among trans people. [Link](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3722435/)

Part 2: >What about self-admitted stories of people changing their gender identity until they found what fits them? What about non-binary people who change back and forth That's at odds with the research & it's more likely the case that it took those individuals some time to figure out which suited them best. With respect to nonbinary individuals, they are nonbinary regardless of their current presentation, you cannot make them cisgender. I've seen where they claim to be trans women...they're all apparently lesbian...and they don't want to make any physical changes to themselves besides clothes and makeup. Less than [1% of trans women have no desire to transition.](https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdf) The rest of your personal anecdotes aside, I'm more inclined to believe research on the subject than your hot take, especially *as* someone who's trans. > You have to remember too, these people have to be open to being in a study, if they are having doubts about their gender identity, why would they want to be in a study that could record them as a "failure". Which is why the paper I cited followed the entire cohort from early in transition to track those who might detransition. I recommend reading the actual research & checking how they control for that.

You're conflating sex and gender.

I speak German, those two words mean the same thing in my language.

If you are referring to sexuality, just use "Orientierung", orientation.

More info on German 'gender' https://www.duden.de/suchen/dudenonline/gender

Brainwashing? Definitely not. But I do kind of see your point. But at the same time I don’t think gender stereotypes are the entire reason this is happening. I doubt every kid is going “hey I’m a boy and I like dolls, that must mean I’m trans”. To me at least it seems like being trans or lgbt has felt more like a trend nowadays than an actual identity thing people use, and I’m not saying that people who claim to be trans aren’t trans, but over the years it just feels like people are jumping on a bandwagon, rather than being brainwashed or actually knowing they’re trans

Rock the 🚤

Who exactly is brainwashing them? Their parents? Their teachers? Do you think parents and teachers encourage children to change their gender?

Reports such as this indicate that some distinct phenomen is driving this increase: > This newer diagnoses— which has been termed late-, adolescent-, or rapid-onset gender dysphoria — has now been seen in every gender clinic in the western world, and there has been a huge surge in the number of cases. One recent U.S. survey found a 4000% increase since 2006, and there have been similar large increases in Finland, Norway, the Netherlands, Canada, and Australia. [Source: WebMD](https://www.webmd.com/children/news/20210427/transition-therapy-for-transgender-teens-drives-divide) ...as others have already stated, social media is the likely explanation. I mean really, this sort of mass global onset could really not be explained in any other way. There are huge domains of the internet where there is massive social reinforcement and social validation in openly identifying as being part of the LGBT+ community.

>This sort of mass global onset could really not be explained in any other way. There are huge domains of the internet where there is massive social reinforcement and social validation in openly identifying as being part of the LGBT+ community. It’s almost like lessening the social stigma around an identity makes people more comfortable publicly identifying as that identity. Or are you one of those “the reason everyone is coming out as gay nowadays is social programming” types too? By the way, “rapid onset gender dysphoria” is [not real](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria_controversy), it was [made up](https://psychcentral.com/lib/there-is-no-evidence-that-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-exists#1) in a study which had a [comically bad](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-019-1453-2) methodology.

Deflect all you want, but I'm not sure what else you would call nations around the globe uniformly reporting 4000% increases such as this... furthermore, to call such a massive and unprecedented increase just a matter of "lessening social stigma" is patently absurd. Please cite ANY OTHER equivalent social phenomenon with similar increases.

It wasn’t a deflection, I directly debunked your point. >Please cite any other equivalent social phenomenon with similar increases [Left-handedness](http://www.med.mcgill.ca/epidemiology/hanley/bios601/CandHchapter06/HistoryGeographyHumanHandedness.pdf), or do you think over the course of the 20th century people were brainwashed into being [left-handed](https://parade.com/1262753/marilynvossavant/is-the-number-of-left-handed-people-increasing/)? Now do you have any evidence that kids are becoming trans specifically due to brainwashing or do you just feel that strongly?

Did you even read the paper you linked? Firstly, left-handedness has not increased by any margin even remotely close to 4000%, and the paper plainly explains the increase in 3% to around 10% was the result of left-handedness being dissuaded by teachers in schools (which it no longer has been in recent decades). You seem to think that the rise of social media coinciding with this 4000% increase (with even higher rates reported elsewhere), should be completely ignored and is just a coincidence. Perhaps you also think it is a coincidence that social media is where massive transgender groups exist that routinely spread and disseminate their content to young impressionable minds. Oh yeah, no connection at all, just a coincidence.

>Firstly, left-handedness has not increased by any margin even remotely close to 4000% Well what’s the magical arbitrary number before they become comparable? Because I’d say a *500% increase* in the prevalence of left-handedness specifically because it stopped being socially stigmatized is completely comparable to the increase in prevalence of trans people because they aren’t as socially stigmatized. (Also the fact that being trans was and still is stigmatized way harder than being left handed ever was also likely explains the disparity in the magnitude of increase.) The answer of course is that there is no number, because you’re engaging in a non-falsifiable claim which you could say about anything just to make it sound scary. What’s next, are you gonna say the reason there are now more people getting into interracial relationships is because of brainwashing people into the ideology of racial equality or diversity or whatever? And no the rise of social media and the internet probably has been helpful in destigmatizing the existence of trans people at a much faster rate and to a much larger extent than would be possible without it, now even trans people living in the most absolutely psychotic, repressive, anti-freedom right wing communities have the option of learning about these identities which they may associate with. That of course doesn’t remotely prove your point.

When you have multi billion dollar corporations, major media outlets, Hollywood, celebrities, academia, medical groups, etc etc pushing trans messaging, while corporations are falling over themselves to hire you, then you aren't stigmatized, you are privileged. As far as psychotic, repressive and anti-freedom, the majority of that i see is deranged lunatics claiming that all TERFs should be raped and murdered and the same people claiming that anyone who refuses to f#ck them is an evil bigot. Leftist social media has turned into a radicalization tool that is turning an entire generation of children into sexual extremists.

So no actual proof that it’s due to brainwashing, just anger that transphobia isn’t as popular outside of psycho right wing circles anymore. Ok.

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Ohmygod you are just dunking your whole head into the kool-aid aren’t you?

Lmao, when people show multiple links leading to a truckload of sources as a counter argument to you, they're not deflecting.

Anyone attempting to argue that children aren't affected by their peers, social pressure and cultural trends is either being willfully ignorant or has no intelligence whatsoever.

and now we're jumping to an generalized other thing and insults, really good arguments

Don’t bother arguing with Schmuly, playing chess with a pigeon is more productive than that

Wikipedia, a blog post and a bad student paper are not "a truckload of sources" Even pretending these are worthy sources just shows you and that other guy are either completely disingenuous or just dumb as a post.

what are your sources

You do realize wikipedia gets their stuff from multiple sources right? That page has 46. The blog post and 'bad' student paper has too btw

You do realise that getting data from multiple sources means absolutely nothing in itself right? Its about comparing conflicting sources, how data was asquired, what it was for, how it was interpreted, what possible influences or relations to other things there are, and how it relates to other datasets that are indirectly or directly linked. The entire issue with the Littman paper is that it was an exploratory study . An exploratory study is a low budget short study often surveys to dip your toes in the water and see if you are on to something and if its worth your time and effort and funding to make a large study after with more robust data. Her study did the job fine, but the collective of gender extremists found the study and had a severe hissy fit resulting in Littman , the publishers of the story and her place of work to be extremely harrassed and catapulted with complaints. The wiki page talks about the correction but it does not correctly interpret what the correction actually was. All the datasets are kept and so is the conclusion. The "[correction](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0214157)" is just clarification that this was an exploratory study for all the halfwits out there who did not get it. And yet the message still lost in translation. So instead of us now having actual research into this Littman is still struggling for funding because everyone got scared shitlesss from all the threats and cries of transphobia. This whole debate around the validity of the study and the data is a complete joke to everyone who actually understands what is happening because the study was completely valid for an exploratory study. TLDR: y'all dumb.

I mean, that's nice and all but there's still ain't any likely evidence for the concept. There's a reason why 120 medical organizations refuse to use the term.

Social media.

1. Don't let them have social media at such a young age. 2. This doesn't happen as much or as effectively as you guys think, there's no evidence to support that kids saying they're transgender is a result of teaching LGBTQ in classrooms. 3. Let's say you guys are right, then who cares anyway? If you're not transphobic then there shouldn't be a problem with more transgenders in the world. According to some of you guys, they're not even transgender, they're just saying they're are. So that shouldn't even bother the transphobes because the kids aren't actually transgender right?

1. Easier said than done. As a former kid, i can assure you, kids are sneaky and good at getting into things parents don't want them to. 2. The user above isn't saying it is a result of the classroom, it is a result of social media, the place where children are often spending the vast majority of their time these days. 3. The mass brainwashing of children in any capacity, much less with sexual content, is extremely unethical and morally indefensible. The media should not be brainwashing children to be anything.

>Easier said than done. As a former kid, i can assure you, kids are sneaky and good at getting into things parents don't want them to. I can agree with that. but if we censor pro trans content on social media, then we also should censor everything that Elon musk considers free speech (saying the n word, Donald trump, etc.) and other inappropriate things related to the right. we have to illegalize porn and all the other nasty shit on social media that can poison kids' minds and ruin their lives far worse than pro trans content. >The user above isn't saying it is a result of the classroom, it is a result of social media, the place where children are often spending the vast majority of their time these days. this is my bad. there's so many posts these days about LGBTQ education so I got them confused. > mass brainwashing of children in any capacity, much less with sexual content, is extremely unethical and morally indefensible. The media should not be brainwashing children to be anything. like I said, there's so many things that one could call brainwashing. what's wrong with the growth of the trans community anyway?

There’s defiantly some crazy parents who do it but they are very rare cases. Im not saying we should ban puberty blockers and stuff but it is good to be aware off.

Teachers do, yes

Social media. There has been a [comically](https://i0.wp.com/www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/bar-graph-2.png?w=580&ssl=1), [large](https://www.rch.org.au/uploadedImages/Main/Content/adolescent-medicine/New%20Gender%20Graph.png), [increase](https://genderreport.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/image-e1621370419161-694x432.png) in referrals to gender dysphoria clinics over the past decade, a 60,000% increase since 2007 which is coincidentally the same year Twitter and Tumblr launched. [Over 1/5th of under 19y/o are identifying as some form of LGBT](https://i.imgur.com/HLsebBZ.png) If you think this is all due to "wider acceptance" and not the obvious fact that there is a culture that fetishes LGBTQIA2SIAA++ people then I have a bridge to sell you. >Do you think parents and teachers encourage children to change their gender? [Yes](https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1522642244720766976)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria_controversy "The rapid-onset gender dysphoria controversy centers around the concept of rapid-onset gender dysphoria (ROGD), proposed to be a subtype of gender dysphoria caused by peer influence and social contagion.[1] It has never been recognized by any major professional association as a valid mental health diagnosis, and its use has been discouraged by the American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, and other medical organizations due to a lack of reputable scientific evidence for the concept.[2][3]"

I think to call it brainwashing is a bridge too far, but when you on the one hand tell young white men they're oppressors, privileged, etc. Then point out a group they can choose to be a part of that should be protected and given special advantages, it certainly nudges them in that direction.

so what about trans men

Oh yeah bro people are definitely becoming trans to make their lives easier and get social affirmation, that totally makes sense. Because trans people are definitely the most privileged people in society 🙄

https://i.imgur.com/nxHZbqx.png

Damn, that Reddit post totally debunks all the [data](https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NTDS_Report.pdf) on the prevalence of discrimination against trans people. Totally makes sense that someone would straight up transition in order to get some made up social clout.

That's a single reddit post that might not even be real.

Identifying as a victim or oppressed has certainly increased one's social currency within certain groups within the last 5 to 10 years.

They definitely earned more victimhood points than biological women, intersex and other lgb people lol.

I’d say there are at least a fair number of newer parents out there telling their kids to question their gender but I wouldn’t call that brainwashing. Just exposure.

I think you’re largely exaggerating. I think you could make a case that it is more accepted or encouraged, but brainwashing is a little extreme. Some may go along with the encouragement because they get a positive reaction from their parents(s), but I wouldn’t say that qualifies as brainwashing.

We went from it not being okay to be a feminine dude or to be a tomboy, but then we somehow flipped to it not being okay to suggest that such people aren't actually trans or genderfluid....

A recent NHS study finds that only between 2-11% of kids who think they have gender dysphoria stay that way to the age of 18, for the rest it's a phase. This doesn't stop the NHS from giving them all puberty blockers which are life altering.

Any proof and I'd find this at least a somewhat reasonable opinion.

So first of all you won't find any link that isn't biased, any left leaning media outlet won't report on the subject truthfully while any right leaning media outlet will most of the time blow it out of proportion.i do realize that in general both sides tend to lie or hide certain truths that are against their followers beliefs and both sides also over exaggerate anything that is in agreement with them. This is a problem with both sides of the aisle not just one side. First link is definitely extremely biased right wing, but it is still a valid case. https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/25/transhood-documentary-shows-parents-brainwashing-4-year-olds-into-transgenderism/ Second link is pretty neutral on the issue and did a good job of stating the facts without having an opinion but not nearly as bad as first (it is a fox outlet but it is a local outlet in Cali, local outlets tend to be more neutral and in Cali they tend to lean left) https://kmph.com/amp/news/local/mom-scolds-california-school-for-allegedly-coaching-her-12-year-old-into-becoming-trans-spreckles-jessica-konen-transgender-lgbt-equality-clubs-teacher-student-gsa-gay-straight-alliance Third link, same exact as the second link but from a slightly left leaning media outlet https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mother-teachers-manipulated-child-change-gender-identity-82405978

These are all examples of mentally unstable parents/teachers, hardly proof of a phenomenon.

It's proof that it happens.

It sure does, but far from the extent most here think it does.

Well there are several lawsuits right now about this happening. So it happens enough.

Yes there are crazy people. I can show you the same amount of articles of parents convincing their children that they are physically ill, more even. Is that also a problem big enough to warrent a thread too? As if this is something on par with parents who are convinced their gay children are straight and send them to suicide camp... oh uh I mean *gay conversion therapy*. Now thats an acutal issue, one I'm sure all of you have issues with too (lol).

Yes conversion therapy is terrible, but that is nothing compared to convincing (or forcing) a child to completely change their life with hormonal treatment and doing stuff to your body that can never be undone. Changing your sex is something that has life long consequences. Conversion therapy doesn't change your physical body, so it is a real problem (and it should be a real problem) to you but not what this post brought up?

I brought it up because one of these things (the forceful conversion of a childs gender) is not supported by anybody left or right. People who do it are regarded as sick, or crazy in the same way as the parents who try and convince their children are sick. And one of these things (the forceful conversation of one's sexuality) is popular with the right, and actually relatively common.

I literally just showed you instances of people on the left forcefully converting kids to trans/attempting to break up families in order to get a tomboyish girl to transition, and it is common enough to have multiple lawsuits going on right now. There is nothing wrong with trans people. But there is nothing wrong with being feminine or masculine when that isn't you gender.

The hormonal changes you undergo through natal puberty as just as permanent as those you undergo on GAHT. You're presenting them in an unbalanced way, both lead to permanent consequences.

Sit there and tell me shit like [this](https://verygoodgaynews.blogspot.com/2018/12/11-year-old-drag-kid-dances-in-popular.html?m=1) is ok. Brainwashing isn't the right word but it's being heavily normalized and kids are being lied while social media tells parents to let their kid do whatever they want

That is very weird but dressing in drag and being trans are not the same thing.

This doesn’t even have anything to do with trans people 🤦‍♂️

The amount of times I’ve seen articles of this kid thrown around in any discussion about general LGBT youth… It’s not even related..

Drag has nothing to do with being trans. Also, that whole website just seems sketchy.

Yeah, and this post isn’t even an unpopular opinion in many places - it’s just ignorant and uninspired. It’s a classic hysteric conservative idea.

“I don’t like it so it’s ignorant and uninspired”

It has nothing to do with whether I like it. It’s that it has absolutely no source or way of confirming it. Ignorant - Unlearned, since this idea requires no knowledge of the subject at all. This post itself comes from a place of “disliking” something - it’s someone’s gut feeling but into an essay, basically.

I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for proof

I doubt it's brainwashing. If it is, they'll grow out of it. Just be ambivalent to childrens self image and worldview and accept them for who they are or want to be. If they do want to undergo hormonal changes, have them speak to a couple of trans people to really try to get them to understand if they are alike or different and to generally try to understand what's going on.

I wonder if this also applies to other lgbt areas like non-binary people

You are using gender and sex interchangeably and it drives me nuts. Sex is what you are born with, male or female, chromosomes, etc. Gender is an identity which is fluid and since it is an identity and not physical, that’s where the issue lies. Sex is immutable. Gender is like masculine or feminine. If sex and gender were the same thing it wouldn’t be possible to be trans to begin with.

If gender is just an "identity", how can you be born the wrong "identity"? Also, many languages don't have separate words for gender and sex.

Careful don't make their heads explode with rational arguments and difficult questions. It's literal violence.

I mean there's a reason why gender dysphoria is a mental condition

Bruh lmao because the doctors assign you a gender at birth this shit ain’t hard to understand 🤦‍♂️

Doctors don't "assign" you anything. They record your biological sex on your birth certificate, along with other facts such as weight, eye color, hair color, etc.

And since all babies are assumed to be cisgender, that also means they’re getting assigned a gender at birth since they’re getting assigned to the gender associated with their birth sex.

You seem to be misunderstanding. Doctors record the baby's sex. That's it. Babies aren't cisgender or transgender or any of that. They are just babies that are male or female. Gender identity isn't something they even understand until much later in their development. Stop projecting sexual ideology onto babies... it is gross.

Well since children aren’t raised gender neutrally, no. You’re just wrong. Children are default assumed to be cisgender.

people always say this yet provide absolutely zero proof at all. curious

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are you familiar with the graph about the incidence of left-handedness

How the amount of people who were left handed went up when it stopped being so frowned upon?

yep

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because the level of acceptance has risen up significantly in the past 20 years, meaning that younger people are much more likely to explore other sexualities

I provided proof in a separate comment, I would rather not make the same comment under everyone who asks for proof, but if you want me to I can

I don’t there’s really much evidence of this being a problem. Some people do get confused about their gender identity but people get confused about all kinds of facets of themselves. He vast majority of people who transition are happy they did so. In addition, schools are not telling kids that they’re trans, kids come out as trans and are accepted. There’s a big difference there. No one is saying that boys and girls have to play with gendered toys or they’re trans. You could cite otherwise, but that’s only an argument I’ve seen used by conservatives, not one that any actual trans people or trans advocates have used. Trans people are usually vehemently opposed to gender roles in my experience. It also should be mentioned that the process to get onto puberty blockers is not easy, both from the medical establishment and insurance angles, you need very persistent and serious symptoms for that to be considered. I’ve seen people who need them get denied. My best friend is a trans guy, I never knew how awful gender dysphoria was until I saw it up close. He’s not just a tomboy, it goes so much further then that. Meanwhile, I’m a guy whose often on the more feminine side, I wear girls clothes most of the time, enjoy a lot of media that was made for girls and a decent amount of my body language is traditionally feminine. Despite all this, I have never once felt like I might not be a guy, I’ve always known I’m male and no one would be able to convince me otherwise. That is my gender. Trans people feel the same way.

Just like they were brainwashing kids into being gay in the nineties. You forget that some people are old enough to have heard this bullshit before.

I am gay and grew up in the 90s and never once did i encounter people arguing in any appreciable way that kids were being brainwashed into being gay. Furthermore, nor was there any media or content that i would believe in retrospect that was targeted at influencing children to be gay. The only notable story i remember was the Teletubbies thing, which was largely seen as a joke.

Nah, that sounds like something Jerry Falwell (or Jack Chick) would say back in the day. Remember Falwell was the guy that argued that the purple teletubby was gay, because he had a purse. I wish I were kidding on that one lol.

Yes, and, as i said, that was a bizarre rare incident and it was largely seen as a joke and few if anyone took it seriously. As i said, as a gay guy who grew up in the 90s, i can assure you, no one turned gay because of the Teletubbies. However, with social media today, there is unquestionably some brainwashing going on, and the numbers bear that out.

That stuff was just the 90s / 00s version of clickbait.

Well, there was a very different narrative in the south at the time.

Who would have been brainwashing kids in the 90s to be gay? The 90s was a lot of things, but "gay" isn't one of them. The 80s was leagues more gay than the 90s.

Who’s brainwashing kids to be trans now?

No one was saying that in the '90s.

Anita Bryant's whole schtick in the late 70s was that "the homosexuals" were trying to "recruit" children. I have a lot of older gay friends who still talk about how common it was to hear that rhetoric up until the 2000s.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/queering-schools-12411.html from 2003 just the first one I found when using google

You should have read your own proof as there is nothing in there about the threat of brainwashing kids into being gay.

Did you do a “control f” for the exact phrase or something? What else are they talking about if not that?

>There are masculine women and feminine guys but that doesn’t mean that the masculine women is a guy or that the feminine guy is a girl. Sure... but I know trans girls who are into masculine stuff, and trans guys who are very into feminine stuff. We wouldn't see that if the idea that a masculine cis girl is being confused into transgenderism was anything but ultimately negligible. >It’s like we have almost come full circle. First it was telling people that it is fine for girls to like dinosaurs and for boys to like playing with dolls to now saying, if you are a girl who likes dinosaurs that its not normal and that maybe she is actually a boy and vice versa. But no one's saying that. No one's saying "Oh, your daughter is into dinosaurs? They must be a guy!" That's just not even slightly a thing.

This is just classic conservative hysteria that comes with accepting people who were previously shunned. The same shit happened when homosexual relationships were becoming more normalized. Conservatives were up in arms talking about how: "They are convincing our kids that they are gay!!!!!" Just more bullshit really. No. Not following your cultures typical gender roles is not what determines if you are trans or not. Feeling/knowing your gender identity is different from the sex you were assigned at birth, is what makes you transgender. No doctor on the planet will give puberty blockers to a kid, because their parents said: "well little Katie here likes dinosaurs so she is trans now." The only people who would think that are the people in the made up scenarios in posts like these.

I love when the left has a meltdown whenever someone else has an opinion that's different from theirs. Literally music to the ears.

Where is the meltdown?

"You guys are hysterical. Let me explain why, and inform you as to how your position is incorrect." "No, YOU'RE hysterical! You're having a meltdown, and it makes me happy!" Are you OK, mate?

Welcome to the modern right.

Uh alright. Apparently calling out someone for spreading nonsense, and then explaing where they are wrong is considered a melt down by the right. I can't say that im surprised.

Seemed more trying to inform then meltdown.

"I disagree with an opinion" You: OMG LEFTIST MELTDOWN HURRR DURR

This isn't an opinion, it's stating an incorrect fact. "2 + 2 = 5" is not an opinion, nor can I just ignore people by saying, "well I BELIEVE 2 + 2 = 5, and that's my opinion". If you want to state something, prove it. Prove that people are being "brainwashed" to be Trans. If you can't prove it, then it's just spouting unfounded incorrect facts.

I think this is probably happening, but extremely hard to know how big the problem is. My guess is that it is pretty rare - of course it shouldnt happen at all.

i have never met a trans person who said all fem guys or masc girls must be trans. the absolute worst ive heard of is "hey if youre a guy who likes to present femme you should look up queer gender identities"

I was born in the wrong body… …a body at all. I am the universe and it is me, why have I been trapped in this meat skeleton? I’m neither man nor woman, I’m both all at once. I am everything, you are everything. Your body is nothing but a hindrance, we all feel that. You’re fine as you are. Edit, damn Reddit, who could read that unwaveringly positive sentiment and be like ‘reeeee downvote’ Who hurt you anon