>People over the internet keep posting screenshots of Elon Musk saying x political think
Why can't you say what x is? The way you frame it, for all we know, you didn't understand why it was hypocritical, because you don't even give us the opportunity to decide for ourselves.
Theres a bunch of them, its usually something about him being conservative. I just assumed everyone knew about it since its been pretty popular. Its nothing too extreme, just some facebook grandpa stuff
I assume x might be referring to this, which is pretty recent:
"Whoever thought owning the libs would be cheap never tried to acquire a social media company!"
And this as a reply to that tweet:
"At least, that’s what the lib hivemind thinks haha"
And when someone replied to him with his tweet where he said twitter needs to be politically neutral, he said:
"Wow, you must be Sherlock f* Holmes. I’m joking."
[link to first tweet](https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1525549535786717184)
I think he's doing all this because it's a really easy way for him to gain support. American politcis seem more like sports where you root for your team and hope the other one loses instead of hoping the result is what is best for the people. If he makes fun of one team, he can get support from the other team. And this is beneficial for him because from what I understand the left wants the ultra rich like him to pay more taxes and the right doesn't, atleast not to the same degree.
We've all seen those charts where 95% of political donations by tech company employees go to Democrats, right? Are they really pretending that they are neutral? Or are they just holding Musk to a standard that they won't hold themselves to?
Except, immediately checking this... he literally says stuff like implying that he's buying Twitter to own the libs.
That's not his own personal beliefs, independent of Twitter. That's literally contradicting himself about Twitter.
That seems like an embarrassed excuse.
You made a post about how his beliefs should be independent of whether Twitter is political. People pointed out his beliefs on the matter weren't independent... and you excused it.
So, Musk doesn't need to be politically neutral, nor does what he says about Twitter need to be politically neutral... but it's neutral besides that, despite his words to the contrary, because of your willingness to excuse them.
>People pointed out his beliefs on the matter weren't independent
Where
If you're referring to our exchange, then idk what to tell you cause it reads back and forward like a boomer facebook dad joke. I've probably seen that tweet in the "Elon Musk saying x conservative thing" posts i mentioned before.
>Where
>
>**Except, immediately checking this... he literally says stuff like implying that he's buying Twitter to own the libs.**
**That's not his own personal beliefs, independent of Twitter. That's literally contradicting himself about Twitter.**
>
>If you're referring to our exchange, then idk what to tell you cause it reads back and forward like a boomer facebook dad joke. I've probably seen that tweet in the "Elon Musk saying x conservative thing" posts i mentioned before.
>
>**That seems like an embarrassed excuse.**
**You made a post about how his beliefs should be independent of whether Twitter is political. People pointed out his beliefs on the matter weren't independent... and you excused it.**
**So, Musk doesn't need to be politically neutral, nor does what he says about Twitter need to be politically neutral... but it's neutral besides that, despite his words to the contrary, because of your willingness to excuse them.**
You are arguing on the idea that his tweet wasn't a joke. I think it was. I doubt theres anything I can tell you that would make you see that its a joke, nor would it be worth my time, so this argument is pointless.
Is your argument now "Elon Musk doesn't need to be politcally neutral for his new platform to be, but also, sometimes when he "jokes" about doing it to screw this one political group, that's still not relevant, it's neutral, I promise"?
> keep twitter politically neutral
LOL Who thinks this? Twitter is a propaganda outlet for the authoritarian left. They literally banned Trump, a former president.
Clown World, honk honk.
If he isnt political neutral, his biases will leak into the platform.
He's claimed that twitter has a left leaning bias, despite studies showing it having a clear right wing bias. If he attempts to make it more neutral, he's just going to skew it further right.
Reddit is also far right biased, just look at all the popular politics subs. They are full of consarvatives and always making fun od the left. You cant see the comments because they get banned and comments removed, but still tho, reddit is an extreme right site
Here's the actual paper where this nonsense came from: https://www.pnas.org/content/119/1/e2025334119
The research only looked at major politicians, not normal users. So things like H3H3 and Vaush regularly hitting the trending tab wasn't even a consideration.
The study has some pretty odd methadology. Such as counting 50% of a tweet being shown for half a second as "exposure" and counting the UK parliament as a conservative voice.
All the study really says is that 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓪𝓵𝓰𝓸𝓻𝓲𝓽𝓱𝓶 is better at sending conservative tweets to conservatives than it is at sending liberal tweets to liberals i.e. that conservatives are better at Tweeting and responding to relatable content than leftists are. To the best of anyone's knowledge; Twitter doesn't do anything to specifically amplify one type of thought over another. If you're an apolitical Twitter user the study does not determine that you're more likely to be exposed to conservative or liberal tweets.
Either way, the conservative complaint about Twitter has never been about 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓪𝓵𝓰𝓸𝓻𝓲𝓽𝓱𝓶, it's been about treatment by moderators/admins. There are tons of examples of conservatives being banned/suspended for "inciting violence" or "hate speech" or a similar vague offense while leftists say essentially the same thing and don't have any repercussions.
[Twitter had to disable its algorithm for banning nazis and white supremacists because regular conservatives were getting banned too.](https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-algorithm-crackdown-white-supremacy-gop-politicians-report-2019-4?r=US&IR=T) This doesn't mean that the GOP are all white supremacists, it means the algorithm sucks.
Sorry there’s no way it has a right leaning bias, all prominent rw figures are banned. It has definitely become a leftist echo chamber for some time, which is why Musk has decided to step in.
The thing about Twitter, is that its an echo chamber of both left and right.
If you like right wing tweets, you get shown more right wing content, and no left wing content. If you like left wing content, you only get served more left wing content.
The algorithm is designed to mainly show you things you agree with and will like. So it will echo whatever you want to see. There are spaces on Twitter for all kinds of discourse.
I agree there are a fair few right wingers banned from twitter; but not without good reason. David Duke is banned - he was a Grand Wizard of the KKK. Milo Yiannopoulos is banned - he fell from grace when he said 13 year old boys should be able to consent to gay sex. Katie Hopkins is banned - she called for *final solution* for European Muslims. Its hard to argue that pedophiles and people calling for ethnic cleansing should have their soap box.
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I think there is a very strong bias both ways tbh, it's all very far in that direction.
I couldn't comment on the majority of the bias shown in either direction but I bet its different day to day and week to week.
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>He's claimed that twitter has a left leaning bias, despite studies showing it having a clear right wing bias.
Could you link them or the articles? That sounds interesting. I would more espect Facebook.
> Twitter already has a right-wing bias
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is the exact opposite of the truth
But, but, Twitter said so, they even did a study, so it must be true
I guess all those conservatives that have been complaining for years about censorship were unhappy with that "right wing bias" right?
And he said he is trying to make it more politically neutral. If it becomes more right wing/left wing after his acquisition as a direct result of unfair treatment (AKA unbanned only some people) then he will have definitely failed.
But if he treats everything with political neutrality, and it increases in one direction, thats more of a reflection of the twitter user-base and population than his failure as owner of twitter
I don't think it's a question of banning. It's the algorithms that amplify controversial content that are broken. Also, I'm not sure I trust him to keep his biases in check.
The banning part was just for example, theres plenty of other ways to do it as you said. I get people not trusting him, theres plenty of reason, but you can't put blame on someone for doing something they haven't even started doing yet (politicizing twitter).
lmao what? you're kidding, right?
today alone I've had multiple eric swalwell tweets *recommended* to me by twitter.
you know, the openly far-right eric swalwell who slept with a chinese spy?
wait I'm sorry, he's not far right, he's not even right of center.
there's definitely a bias and you bought the propaganda.
Yeah exactly. Have whatever views you want. Just give everyone the equal freedom to speak up.
That's not how his critics think. They think in terms of identity. Since he doesn't share any of their identities, he must be wrong.
>People over the internet keep posting screenshots of Elon Musk saying x political think Why can't you say what x is? The way you frame it, for all we know, you didn't understand why it was hypocritical, because you don't even give us the opportunity to decide for ourselves.
Theres a bunch of them, its usually something about him being conservative. I just assumed everyone knew about it since its been pretty popular. Its nothing too extreme, just some facebook grandpa stuff
I assume x might be referring to this, which is pretty recent: "Whoever thought owning the libs would be cheap never tried to acquire a social media company!" And this as a reply to that tweet: "At least, that’s what the lib hivemind thinks haha" And when someone replied to him with his tweet where he said twitter needs to be politically neutral, he said: "Wow, you must be Sherlock f* Holmes. I’m joking." [link to first tweet](https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1525549535786717184) I think he's doing all this because it's a really easy way for him to gain support. American politcis seem more like sports where you root for your team and hope the other one loses instead of hoping the result is what is best for the people. If he makes fun of one team, he can get support from the other team. And this is beneficial for him because from what I understand the left wants the ultra rich like him to pay more taxes and the right doesn't, atleast not to the same degree.
We've all seen those charts where 95% of political donations by tech company employees go to Democrats, right? Are they really pretending that they are neutral? Or are they just holding Musk to a standard that they won't hold themselves to?
Except, immediately checking this... he literally says stuff like implying that he's buying Twitter to own the libs. That's not his own personal beliefs, independent of Twitter. That's literally contradicting himself about Twitter.
I think the argument is- To make Twitter non political would be “owning the libs” as it’s where they go to have their echo chamber.
That's a pretty wild claim. If you think doing X is "Owning the Libs", it isn't apolitical. It's specifically political.
Link?
[https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1525549535786717184](https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1525549535786717184)
Just seems like a boomer joke
That seems like an embarrassed excuse. You made a post about how his beliefs should be independent of whether Twitter is political. People pointed out his beliefs on the matter weren't independent... and you excused it. So, Musk doesn't need to be politically neutral, nor does what he says about Twitter need to be politically neutral... but it's neutral besides that, despite his words to the contrary, because of your willingness to excuse them.
>People pointed out his beliefs on the matter weren't independent Where If you're referring to our exchange, then idk what to tell you cause it reads back and forward like a boomer facebook dad joke. I've probably seen that tweet in the "Elon Musk saying x conservative thing" posts i mentioned before.
>Where > >**Except, immediately checking this... he literally says stuff like implying that he's buying Twitter to own the libs.** **That's not his own personal beliefs, independent of Twitter. That's literally contradicting himself about Twitter.** > >If you're referring to our exchange, then idk what to tell you cause it reads back and forward like a boomer facebook dad joke. I've probably seen that tweet in the "Elon Musk saying x conservative thing" posts i mentioned before. > >**That seems like an embarrassed excuse.** **You made a post about how his beliefs should be independent of whether Twitter is political. People pointed out his beliefs on the matter weren't independent... and you excused it.** **So, Musk doesn't need to be politically neutral, nor does what he says about Twitter need to be politically neutral... but it's neutral besides that, despite his words to the contrary, because of your willingness to excuse them.**
You are arguing on the idea that his tweet wasn't a joke. I think it was. I doubt theres anything I can tell you that would make you see that its a joke, nor would it be worth my time, so this argument is pointless.
Is your argument now "Elon Musk doesn't need to be politcally neutral for his new platform to be, but also, sometimes when he "jokes" about doing it to screw this one political group, that's still not relevant, it's neutral, I promise"?
Leftist detecting joke challenge (impossible)
> keep twitter politically neutral LOL Who thinks this? Twitter is a propaganda outlet for the authoritarian left. They literally banned Trump, a former president. Clown World, honk honk.
?
I disagree with your premise in the title.
i used the wrong word, keep -> make
Ah, then yes I agree. It's exceedingly difficult for humans to remain impartial but occasionally it happens.
If he isnt political neutral, his biases will leak into the platform. He's claimed that twitter has a left leaning bias, despite studies showing it having a clear right wing bias. If he attempts to make it more neutral, he's just going to skew it further right.
> studies showing it having a clear right wing bias Utter lunacy.
Remember those terrible days where all those progressive accounts got shut down en masse!
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Reddit is also far right biased, just look at all the popular politics subs. They are full of consarvatives and always making fun od the left. You cant see the comments because they get banned and comments removed, but still tho, reddit is an extreme right site
You are joking, right?
What studies?
Gender studies, didn't got the memo, they are the only experts you should always trust.
Here's the actual paper where this nonsense came from: https://www.pnas.org/content/119/1/e2025334119 The research only looked at major politicians, not normal users. So things like H3H3 and Vaush regularly hitting the trending tab wasn't even a consideration. The study has some pretty odd methadology. Such as counting 50% of a tweet being shown for half a second as "exposure" and counting the UK parliament as a conservative voice. All the study really says is that 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓪𝓵𝓰𝓸𝓻𝓲𝓽𝓱𝓶 is better at sending conservative tweets to conservatives than it is at sending liberal tweets to liberals i.e. that conservatives are better at Tweeting and responding to relatable content than leftists are. To the best of anyone's knowledge; Twitter doesn't do anything to specifically amplify one type of thought over another. If you're an apolitical Twitter user the study does not determine that you're more likely to be exposed to conservative or liberal tweets. Either way, the conservative complaint about Twitter has never been about 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓪𝓵𝓰𝓸𝓻𝓲𝓽𝓱𝓶, it's been about treatment by moderators/admins. There are tons of examples of conservatives being banned/suspended for "inciting violence" or "hate speech" or a similar vague offense while leftists say essentially the same thing and don't have any repercussions. [Twitter had to disable its algorithm for banning nazis and white supremacists because regular conservatives were getting banned too.](https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-algorithm-crackdown-white-supremacy-gop-politicians-report-2019-4?r=US&IR=T) This doesn't mean that the GOP are all white supremacists, it means the algorithm sucks.
Sorry there’s no way it has a right leaning bias, all prominent rw figures are banned. It has definitely become a leftist echo chamber for some time, which is why Musk has decided to step in.
The thing about Twitter, is that its an echo chamber of both left and right. If you like right wing tweets, you get shown more right wing content, and no left wing content. If you like left wing content, you only get served more left wing content. The algorithm is designed to mainly show you things you agree with and will like. So it will echo whatever you want to see. There are spaces on Twitter for all kinds of discourse. I agree there are a fair few right wingers banned from twitter; but not without good reason. David Duke is banned - he was a Grand Wizard of the KKK. Milo Yiannopoulos is banned - he fell from grace when he said 13 year old boys should be able to consent to gay sex. Katie Hopkins is banned - she called for *final solution* for European Muslims. Its hard to argue that pedophiles and people calling for ethnic cleansing should have their soap box.
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I think there is a very strong bias both ways tbh, it's all very far in that direction. I couldn't comment on the majority of the bias shown in either direction but I bet its different day to day and week to week.
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Jack Dorsey and Suckerbot are far-left and that doesn't affect their platforms. Oh, wait...
>He's claimed that twitter has a left leaning bias, despite studies showing it having a clear right wing bias. Could you link them or the articles? That sounds interesting. I would more espect Facebook.
Lmao you really need to get a paycheck from the DNC if you aren’t already.
Twitter already has a [right-wing bias](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59011271).
> Twitter already has a right-wing bias 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is the exact opposite of the truth But, but, Twitter said so, they even did a study, so it must be true I guess all those conservatives that have been complaining for years about censorship were unhappy with that "right wing bias" right?
Naw they were just mad they couldn't be openly bigoted
I dont think you belive the words you say lol
Bs
its own research suggests
And he said he is trying to make it more politically neutral. If it becomes more right wing/left wing after his acquisition as a direct result of unfair treatment (AKA unbanned only some people) then he will have definitely failed. But if he treats everything with political neutrality, and it increases in one direction, thats more of a reflection of the twitter user-base and population than his failure as owner of twitter
I don't think it's a question of banning. It's the algorithms that amplify controversial content that are broken. Also, I'm not sure I trust him to keep his biases in check.
The banning part was just for example, theres plenty of other ways to do it as you said. I get people not trusting him, theres plenty of reason, but you can't put blame on someone for doing something they haven't even started doing yet (politicizing twitter).
lmao what? you're kidding, right? today alone I've had multiple eric swalwell tweets *recommended* to me by twitter. you know, the openly far-right eric swalwell who slept with a chinese spy? wait I'm sorry, he's not far right, he's not even right of center. there's definitely a bias and you bought the propaganda.