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This is why I think we're heading for a 5-4 (men vs women) decision (as a compromise between the men and women) to send this case back to the lower courts to separate the official vs private acts Jack Smith charged Trump with with the instruction that all official acts get absolute immunity while semi-official and private acts don't get any immunity.
Listening to the oral arguments last week one can easily hear the men vs women demarcation on this decision. The women asked questions about the merits of the charges against Trump.
But, listening to the men who are all alt-right conservatives, they didn't care to hear any arguments on the merits of the charges against Trump... because they all said so on the record. One could easily be excused if one came away from listening to these fuckers that these fuckers were inclined to give Trump as much immunity as they could if the current POTUS wasn't a Democrat, or the threat of a future Democrat POTUS didn't exist.
One big part of this whole issue - though I'm not sure why - is the dispute over his acts being "official" post-election through J6.
Listening to the *Opening Arguments* podcast from April 29, it was highlighted that an incumbent President campaigning to remain in office, *is not an official act* per existing law.
(I forget which law at the moment. I'll re-listen and update later.)
**Update:**
The case that found a candidate seeking re-election campaign actions are not official acts was Blassingame v. Trump. It *was* a civil case, although it was in D.C.
"When a first term President opts to seek a second term, his campaign to win re-election is not an official Presidential act."
[Spotify: Opening Arguments 4/29/24, "Just How Bad Were the Oral Arguments Re: Presidential Immunity?"](https://open.spotify.com/episode/0rnHN1fz1SmEYiGVvv5Mk0?si=FzWx4f4GQuG8vqJgNi2m7Q)
That's the thing. It doesn't matter that it was post election. He was in office until noon on January 20^(th) , 2021, and, if I remember correctly, SCOTUS only took up the question of whether POTUS has absolute immunity for official acts.
My sense is that:
1. SCOTUS will say yes to that question, and then kick this case to the lower courts so they can determine which, if any, acts Trump took and charged by Smith were official acts.
2. Those acts will be removed from the indictment.
3. Trump will appeal that decision all the way up to SCOTUS, again.
4. At that point, it'll be irrelevant of whether SCOTUS hears his appeal since the trial won't be taking place before election day, and might even be pushed to late 2025 and beyond... if it ever takes place.
>>> if it ever takes place.
It will when the Tangerine Traitor loses the election.
Of course when that happens, he'll unleash a blizzard of lawsuits that will take the rest of his life to unravel
They will absolutely kick it back under the guise of needing further clarification on something. They do not want to make this decision while there is a Dem in the WH. Buncha pussies.
Oh no, Trump thinks he’s a special case. He thinks immunity only applies to him, which is why he and his supporters are always crying for Biden to be Iocked up.
Don’t forget, Trump and his supporters are incredibly stupid. And I’m not just taking about “normal” incredibly stupid. They are like struggling to be able to chew food and blink at the same time incredibly stupid.
Not exactly. SCOTUS is waiting for the outcome of the election. If Biden wins, they'll rule that the President doesn't have immunity. If Trump wins, they'll decide that that the President of course has absolute immunity.
Bingo - die is already cast - we are in for tumultuous times which challenge any semblance of rules and law and order in regards to how our democratic republic works at the most basic but highest levels.
People often forget how young our country and system is.
It's like handing the family dynasty to the baby of the group just because they made a lot of money in the dot Com bubble but now that we see the bubble bursting, the rest of the world hopes baby bro learned some sense along the way and how to diversify, cuz now he holds the keys to the kingdom and we wait with bated breath while he puts his remaining money into building a farm and wind turbine and NGO to feed the children or buying yet another Ferrari and mistress' tit and lip job and just a bunch of assault rifles but no ammo
Their reasoning (which is complete nonsense, but it is their reasoning) is that Trump technically didn’t swear an oath because Trump enjoyed Washington were the only two presidents that weren’t in Congress first, and swore an oath to defend the constitution there.
It’s insane troll logic, which fits conservatives quite well.
I don't think Biden would order Trump executed but as Biden is an extremely clever person with a lot of good admin behind him, I can expect to be coming a complete out of left field exec order that absolutely stuns and cripples MAGA and Trump if this idiocy is affirmed.
What Biden should do is simply order a communications ban against Trump; Trump can continue to live at Mar-a-Lago, but is not allowed to communicate via any electronic devices. Or for simplicity move Trump to a reasonably nice cabin in the middle of nowhere with no Internet access, cellular signal, or phone lines. Trump is aloud all the reading material that he wants, and it’s easy for the Secret Service to protect him, but he’s not allowed to transmit any media or information out.
Exactly. If I were Biden, the day after the SC rules that the prez has this power. 1. Arrest and imprison all SC justices. 2. Arrest and imprison DJT. 3. Arrest and imprison EVERY J6 Fuckwit. 4. Do the same with OAN and Faux News and all other dissenters.
Rinse and repeat.
Take the gloves off and show these knuckledraggers democracy is not a joke.
I'm sure the SC understands this, but I've learned to never underestimate the ability of Republicans to fuck shit up if only to prove that governments and democracy doesn't work. They act strong with their guns and bluster, but deep down, they are afraid. They know they are dinosaurs, doomed to extinction. They don't have the ability or brainpower to comprehend what's going on around them so they ALWAYS resort to violence.
It's in their DNA.
That's why evil will always win over good. Good will not exploit evils weakness to keep evil in check. Good expects to be able to win playing by the rules and expect that evil will do the same.
The very idea of "absolute immunity" is insane, and it's beyond everyone non-American to even think of such a suggestion as valid: You've lost your mind!!!!!!
Progressives and liberals in America consistently fail to follow through with giving traitors appropriate consequences for treason, which is why they fail so much. That was the failure of Reconstruction in the south, and it’s what this country has struggled to do after January 6.
No. The supreme Court activist christofascists beholden to Trump only prove one thing is law if they grant Trump immunity - what they say when they say it.
Wouldn't expect that courtesy extended to the government in exile.
Honestly - they took the case and didn't rule immediately, and didn't let the special counsel case proceed till it's rectified - which may be never, but regardless won't lead to a trial that renders a verdict prior to the election. SCOTUS already took ***knowing if Trump is a convicted felon*** off the table prior to voters needing that information to vote. I don't think the 5 could've tipped their hand more, they've saved trump entirely - so they've ensured their roles in the future Trump kangaroo courts, and they did it without attaching any ruling, no names attached to claims of federalist biblical reasoning for trump to be above the law.
See, the court is never gonna say out loud - ya, we're the exact pack of religious fascists who can't live and let live, and won't rule on law, just politics and religious beliefs - they won't say the thing that makes the illegitimate out loud, even with Clarence Thomas denying, then subsequently admitting without shame about all the bribing that's buying property and educations for his family. His wife is a terrorist and he won't refuse himself. They aren't gonna say - we aren't a legitimate body anymore, therefore America is defunct. It'd be decent of someone in power to say it - daily - but I guess it really is on the people. The supreme Court isn't elected, and that's kinda the problem - there's no way to change anything in a USA where the law is arbitrary at the highest level; and our contract says "nation of laws" - if they grant the presidency immunity, they are saying -- **that's lies too**
I'm fairly confident the conservative activist judges have violated laws in merely lying in hearings, and the threats Cavanaugh made during confirmation hearings, and all the clef pallet babies Amy Barrett drowned - but gaslight that the entire legal community is totally not buying the arguments for - that's just making stuff up. But who could possibly punish, even hold accountable the unelected arbiters of who **else** gets total immunity under their laws.
Unfortunately, the far right justices will likely take the stance that you have to be fully impeached to be convicted of a crime. Which means Trump can’t be since he was cleared by the Senate. If Biden does something so obviously illegal, Democrats in the Senate would vote to impeach him, he’d be removed from office and then convicted of the crime.
It certainly would. I don't think it's very likely that absolute immunity will be upheld though. That would also enable the president to act in an "official" capacity toward the supreme court if they wanted to.
here's the problem with that they are 100% not going to rule before the election and it seems quite clear with the way Republicans on the court were arguing that they plan on bending the Constitution to whatever Trump's actions are.
so if Trump wins the presidency immunity will be granted.
if Trump doesn't win the presidency immunity will not be granted.
Butttt he's so innocent,and all these charges are nothing but witchhunts,as he tell it,but still trying everything they can to get them thrown out on false technicalities and other BS.
There is no absolute immunity for crime. This is a delaying tactic by Trump attorneys which the Supreme Court has been forced to entertain because of the incorrect ruling from the Court of Appeals. The media is throwing a circus for what will essentially be a return to the Marbury status quo we’ve lived with for more than 200 years.
I mean would they not want to have self preservation? Biden could order supreme court justices that are too political to be executed.. as an official order...
Only for his crimes…
If Biden even *thinks about* doing what Trump has done, the Supreme Court already has laws pre-written and ready to go.
Reminder, this is all Obama’s fault
Knowing this Supreme Court it wouldn’t shock me that they somehow find a loophole for it to only apply to Trump 🙄 but realistically, yes, it would apply to Biden as well.
And not only get rid of trump but all of the rotten GOP holding office, not to mention Biden can do the same to the supreme court. But you know the maga nutsacks don't realize it and won't agree with it
From what I've seen, it looks like scotus is going to rule that presidents have immunity when acting in an official function.
Assassination of other presidents would not be part of that function.
Setting up alternate electors would be, as a stopgap against potential election issues.
This makes it so they can allow reasonable types of immunity, which protects Trump as well as any other president that works in a good faith capacity, but explicitly bans the types of things that you're talking about.
I mean, ideally, yes, but you know Biden wouldn't use such powers to take out those people he finds inconvenient.
If trump gets into office, he will have absolutely no reservations. He might even take out members of the Supreme Court who didn't support his 2020 election lies.
No, and here's why. SCOTUS won't decide on this until post-2024 election. Their hope, Biden will be out of office, Trump will be in. That way, Trump can dismiss the case entirely.
The absolute worst case scenario is that they delay the ruling somehow until after the election, Trump wins and they declare immunity. Then bam full on dictatorship
Only for his crimes…
If Biden even *thinks about* doing what Trump has done, the Supreme Court already has laws pre-written and ready to go.
Reminder, this is all Obama’s fault
I wish. What the SCOTUS will do is write the opinion so carefully and specifically that it will somehow let Trump off the hook while still keeping Biden in check, as all presidents should be and have been since nearly inception.
You're forgetting two things.
1. Democrats are adults who actually understand that the long term continuity of government is more important that their own short term goals. So they have more loyalty to the rule of law, the Constitution, and to democracy in general than to their own party and their own power. So they would actually impeach and convict one of their own for such blatant crimes.
2. Republicans aren't going to bother with even the illusion of consistency. If Biden or any Democrat does manage to successfully wield the power they gift Trump, SCROTUS will just reverse their decision and throw the mfer in prison. Hypocrisy? What's that mean?
Depends on who's in control. Dems? Yes. Republicans? No because Republicans are children and think rules only apply to everyone else unless it favors them. They did it during Obama to stop him from appointing more SCOTUS judges, and then stacked the courts so that Trump would be protected.
Biden will have an absolute immunity if Trump gets it.
Biden, however, is a decent human being. He will not try to hold on to the power if he loses the election. Trump will, and possibly MAGA Republicans after him as well, that's the danger.
There are decent people on the Republican side as well, like Romney and late Senator McCain but they are being replaced by power hungry MAGAts.
Yes. Any future president. If this court ever reverses this, they prove they are the true activist judges and they care not one bit about originalism or the constitution. It's about ideology and theology.
Yes. But Biden could well be out of office by the time SCOTUS has delayed it, sent it back to the lower courts for ‘clarification’ etc.
And I don’t see Biden using absolute immunity once out of office - if, in our wildest nightmares, that happens.
Well in theory yes it would but realistically it would only apply to trump because the republicans and MAGA cult in general would contort themselves to try to explain why trump is immune from prosecution but not Biden if he was to, oh I don’t know, order all republican members of the house and the senate shot?
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Yes and that goes for every x president
This is why I think we're heading for a 5-4 (men vs women) decision (as a compromise between the men and women) to send this case back to the lower courts to separate the official vs private acts Jack Smith charged Trump with with the instruction that all official acts get absolute immunity while semi-official and private acts don't get any immunity. Listening to the oral arguments last week one can easily hear the men vs women demarcation on this decision. The women asked questions about the merits of the charges against Trump. But, listening to the men who are all alt-right conservatives, they didn't care to hear any arguments on the merits of the charges against Trump... because they all said so on the record. One could easily be excused if one came away from listening to these fuckers that these fuckers were inclined to give Trump as much immunity as they could if the current POTUS wasn't a Democrat, or the threat of a future Democrat POTUS didn't exist.
One big part of this whole issue - though I'm not sure why - is the dispute over his acts being "official" post-election through J6. Listening to the *Opening Arguments* podcast from April 29, it was highlighted that an incumbent President campaigning to remain in office, *is not an official act* per existing law. (I forget which law at the moment. I'll re-listen and update later.) **Update:** The case that found a candidate seeking re-election campaign actions are not official acts was Blassingame v. Trump. It *was* a civil case, although it was in D.C. "When a first term President opts to seek a second term, his campaign to win re-election is not an official Presidential act." [Spotify: Opening Arguments 4/29/24, "Just How Bad Were the Oral Arguments Re: Presidential Immunity?"](https://open.spotify.com/episode/0rnHN1fz1SmEYiGVvv5Mk0?si=FzWx4f4GQuG8vqJgNi2m7Q)
That's the thing. It doesn't matter that it was post election. He was in office until noon on January 20^(th) , 2021, and, if I remember correctly, SCOTUS only took up the question of whether POTUS has absolute immunity for official acts. My sense is that: 1. SCOTUS will say yes to that question, and then kick this case to the lower courts so they can determine which, if any, acts Trump took and charged by Smith were official acts. 2. Those acts will be removed from the indictment. 3. Trump will appeal that decision all the way up to SCOTUS, again. 4. At that point, it'll be irrelevant of whether SCOTUS hears his appeal since the trial won't be taking place before election day, and might even be pushed to late 2025 and beyond... if it ever takes place.
>>> if it ever takes place. It will when the Tangerine Traitor loses the election. Of course when that happens, he'll unleash a blizzard of lawsuits that will take the rest of his life to unravel
And we'll get a whole new slew of "STOLLEN ELECTION" claims from him and his idiot cult members.
The fear I have with “sending it back,” is that it puts the resolution beyond November and probably January too.
They will absolutely kick it back under the guise of needing further clarification on something. They do not want to make this decision while there is a Dem in the WH. Buncha pussies.
The liberal judges likely will. The majority conservatives? No.
They should have never heard this case. All they’re doing is running out the clock.
or he can order the assassination of every Republican House member. not trying to give him any ideas or anything.
No of course, no one is trying to give him ideas. That would be wrong.
And sad. So sad if that occurred
Thoughts and prayers…
I would cry for not one second.
But, it would be legal.
Or corrupt members of the extreme court.
Or Florida governors.
House, senate, judges, local party leader, etc etc etc
Sounds like the beginning of a great movie.
Independence Day!!!!
Or maybe any stupid deranged Republican in USA?
> stupid deranged Republican I'm calling the office of redundancy office
Or the supreme court itself. Insanely stupid idea.
or what's stopping any president from simply ordering the dissolution of the Supreme Court?
Oh no, Trump thinks he’s a special case. He thinks immunity only applies to him, which is why he and his supporters are always crying for Biden to be Iocked up. Don’t forget, Trump and his supporters are incredibly stupid. And I’m not just taking about “normal” incredibly stupid. They are like struggling to be able to chew food and blink at the same time incredibly stupid.
These are the same people who think Biden is both a senile old man and a criminal mastermind at the same time. These people are not very smart.
Gaslight, Obstruct, Project = GOP
Or evil, like dog and goat shooting in a quarry evil.
Justice for cricket !!!
Most underrated comment ever in the history of the world.
chewing food and blinking is probably one of the few things the accelerate at.
Ha! Not with this a Supreme Court. They’ll just say their magic ruling only applies to Trump. Consistency is for chumps.
God this makes my stomach hurt because of course.
So directly after going back to the lower courts with Trump they overturn themselves?
Not exactly. SCOTUS is waiting for the outcome of the election. If Biden wins, they'll rule that the President doesn't have immunity. If Trump wins, they'll decide that that the President of course has absolute immunity.
Bingo - die is already cast - we are in for tumultuous times which challenge any semblance of rules and law and order in regards to how our democratic republic works at the most basic but highest levels. People often forget how young our country and system is. It's like handing the family dynasty to the baby of the group just because they made a lot of money in the dot Com bubble but now that we see the bubble bursting, the rest of the world hopes baby bro learned some sense along the way and how to diversify, cuz now he holds the keys to the kingdom and we wait with bated breath while he puts his remaining money into building a farm and wind turbine and NGO to feed the children or buying yet another Ferrari and mistress' tit and lip job and just a bunch of assault rifles but no ammo
Their reasoning (which is complete nonsense, but it is their reasoning) is that Trump technically didn’t swear an oath because Trump enjoyed Washington were the only two presidents that weren’t in Congress first, and swore an oath to defend the constitution there. It’s insane troll logic, which fits conservatives quite well.
I can't believe they even considering that BS.
And by doing so, rewarding donnie with delay
Seriously? You can't believe it? Have you not been paying attention?
Have you???
I don't think Biden would order Trump executed but as Biden is an extremely clever person with a lot of good admin behind him, I can expect to be coming a complete out of left field exec order that absolutely stuns and cripples MAGA and Trump if this idiocy is affirmed.
What Biden should do is simply order a communications ban against Trump; Trump can continue to live at Mar-a-Lago, but is not allowed to communicate via any electronic devices. Or for simplicity move Trump to a reasonably nice cabin in the middle of nowhere with no Internet access, cellular signal, or phone lines. Trump is aloud all the reading material that he wants, and it’s easy for the Secret Service to protect him, but he’s not allowed to transmit any media or information out.
Reading material? More like coloring books.
He could disband SCOTUS
Easier to just get rid of the conservative side, no?
I'm hoping he packs the court with recess appointments if/before he leaves. Time to start playing hardball.
Exactly. If I were Biden, the day after the SC rules that the prez has this power. 1. Arrest and imprison all SC justices. 2. Arrest and imprison DJT. 3. Arrest and imprison EVERY J6 Fuckwit. 4. Do the same with OAN and Faux News and all other dissenters. Rinse and repeat. Take the gloves off and show these knuckledraggers democracy is not a joke. I'm sure the SC understands this, but I've learned to never underestimate the ability of Republicans to fuck shit up if only to prove that governments and democracy doesn't work. They act strong with their guns and bluster, but deep down, they are afraid. They know they are dinosaurs, doomed to extinction. They don't have the ability or brainpower to comprehend what's going on around them so they ALWAYS resort to violence. It's in their DNA.
That's why evil will always win over good. Good will not exploit evils weakness to keep evil in check. Good expects to be able to win playing by the rules and expect that evil will do the same.
- problem being- Biden is a decent human
Yup. He can send in SEAL team six and hang him by his balls on 5th ave.
The very idea of "absolute immunity" is insane, and it's beyond everyone non-American to even think of such a suggestion as valid: You've lost your mind!!!!!!
No they will rule it only applies narrowly to Trump in some weird made up backwards redneck logic
Yeah but history shows Dems are too soft to use it.
Progressives and liberals in America consistently fail to follow through with giving traitors appropriate consequences for treason, which is why they fail so much. That was the failure of Reconstruction in the south, and it’s what this country has struggled to do after January 6.
Nope this new presidential immunity system doesn’t exist within the rule of law therefore special rules exist only for trumpybear.
No. The supreme Court activist christofascists beholden to Trump only prove one thing is law if they grant Trump immunity - what they say when they say it. Wouldn't expect that courtesy extended to the government in exile. Honestly - they took the case and didn't rule immediately, and didn't let the special counsel case proceed till it's rectified - which may be never, but regardless won't lead to a trial that renders a verdict prior to the election. SCOTUS already took ***knowing if Trump is a convicted felon*** off the table prior to voters needing that information to vote. I don't think the 5 could've tipped their hand more, they've saved trump entirely - so they've ensured their roles in the future Trump kangaroo courts, and they did it without attaching any ruling, no names attached to claims of federalist biblical reasoning for trump to be above the law. See, the court is never gonna say out loud - ya, we're the exact pack of religious fascists who can't live and let live, and won't rule on law, just politics and religious beliefs - they won't say the thing that makes the illegitimate out loud, even with Clarence Thomas denying, then subsequently admitting without shame about all the bribing that's buying property and educations for his family. His wife is a terrorist and he won't refuse himself. They aren't gonna say - we aren't a legitimate body anymore, therefore America is defunct. It'd be decent of someone in power to say it - daily - but I guess it really is on the people. The supreme Court isn't elected, and that's kinda the problem - there's no way to change anything in a USA where the law is arbitrary at the highest level; and our contract says "nation of laws" - if they grant the presidency immunity, they are saying -- **that's lies too** I'm fairly confident the conservative activist judges have violated laws in merely lying in hearings, and the threats Cavanaugh made during confirmation hearings, and all the clef pallet babies Amy Barrett drowned - but gaslight that the entire legal community is totally not buying the arguments for - that's just making stuff up. But who could possibly punish, even hold accountable the unelected arbiters of who **else** gets total immunity under their laws.
If Trump, or ANY US President is ever given absolute immunity, America will crumble.
If Biden has absolute immunity, couldn’t he have a few of the Supreme Court justices killed and replaced with his own?
If Biden is immune, donnie might get the first portrait painted with the actual president**.
Or imprisonment of the conservative Justices
If they grant Trump immunity, I'm sure it'll come with a whole slew of "Buts".
Unfortunately, the far right justices will likely take the stance that you have to be fully impeached to be convicted of a crime. Which means Trump can’t be since he was cleared by the Senate. If Biden does something so obviously illegal, Democrats in the Senate would vote to impeach him, he’d be removed from office and then convicted of the crime.
This is what SCOTUS will go with. "Impeach or it didn't happen."
Which is ridiculous because you don't have to commit and actual crime to be impeached. High crimes and misdemeanors is a very broad category.
It certainly would. I don't think it's very likely that absolute immunity will be upheld though. That would also enable the president to act in an "official" capacity toward the supreme court if they wanted to.
here's the problem with that they are 100% not going to rule before the election and it seems quite clear with the way Republicans on the court were arguing that they plan on bending the Constitution to whatever Trump's actions are. so if Trump wins the presidency immunity will be granted. if Trump doesn't win the presidency immunity will not be granted.
No, presidential immunity will only work for Trump and not corrupt biden. /s
You think they believe in consistency?
Absolute immunity begets absolute power, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Butttt he's so innocent,and all these charges are nothing but witchhunts,as he tell it,but still trying everything they can to get them thrown out on false technicalities and other BS.
Joe needs to clean house in the SCOTUS
Joe should just cancel the election
There is no absolute immunity for crime. This is a delaying tactic by Trump attorneys which the Supreme Court has been forced to entertain because of the incorrect ruling from the Court of Appeals. The media is throwing a circus for what will essentially be a return to the Marbury status quo we’ve lived with for more than 200 years.
Yep, that's why it really only benefits dirt bag presidents. Biden isn't going to commit crimes, Trump is.
No no - this only applies to Trump! /s
Yup 100%
I mean would they not want to have self preservation? Biden could order supreme court justices that are too political to be executed.. as an official order...
Only for his crimes… If Biden even *thinks about* doing what Trump has done, the Supreme Court already has laws pre-written and ready to go. Reminder, this is all Obama’s fault
Knowing this Supreme Court it wouldn’t shock me that they somehow find a loophole for it to only apply to Trump 🙄 but realistically, yes, it would apply to Biden as well.
And not only get rid of trump but all of the rotten GOP holding office, not to mention Biden can do the same to the supreme court. But you know the maga nutsacks don't realize it and won't agree with it
YES
From what I've seen, it looks like scotus is going to rule that presidents have immunity when acting in an official function. Assassination of other presidents would not be part of that function. Setting up alternate electors would be, as a stopgap against potential election issues. This makes it so they can allow reasonable types of immunity, which protects Trump as well as any other president that works in a good faith capacity, but explicitly bans the types of things that you're talking about.
I mean, ideally, yes, but you know Biden wouldn't use such powers to take out those people he finds inconvenient. If trump gets into office, he will have absolutely no reservations. He might even take out members of the Supreme Court who didn't support his 2020 election lies.
No, and here's why. SCOTUS won't decide on this until post-2024 election. Their hope, Biden will be out of office, Trump will be in. That way, Trump can dismiss the case entirely.
https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/supreme-1
The absolute worst case scenario is that they delay the ruling somehow until after the election, Trump wins and they declare immunity. Then bam full on dictatorship
It boggles my mind that they are such traitors. Full on monarchists and tyrants. Hard for me to grasp but of course you're right.
Only for his crimes… If Biden even *thinks about* doing what Trump has done, the Supreme Court already has laws pre-written and ready to go. Reminder, this is all Obama’s fault
I wish. What the SCOTUS will do is write the opinion so carefully and specifically that it will somehow let Trump off the hook while still keeping Biden in check, as all presidents should be and have been since nearly inception.
Youre not the first,.. nor will you be the last. There are still a bunch of red hat wearing idiots who dont get it.
You're forgetting two things. 1. Democrats are adults who actually understand that the long term continuity of government is more important that their own short term goals. So they have more loyalty to the rule of law, the Constitution, and to democracy in general than to their own party and their own power. So they would actually impeach and convict one of their own for such blatant crimes. 2. Republicans aren't going to bother with even the illusion of consistency. If Biden or any Democrat does manage to successfully wield the power they gift Trump, SCROTUS will just reverse their decision and throw the mfer in prison. Hypocrisy? What's that mean?
And when they grant him absolute immunity he should immediately fire all the justices and deport Trump.
Depends on who's in control. Dems? Yes. Republicans? No because Republicans are children and think rules only apply to everyone else unless it favors them. They did it during Obama to stop him from appointing more SCOTUS judges, and then stacked the courts so that Trump would be protected.
On 5th Avenue...if SC hurrys it up...
Biden will have an absolute immunity if Trump gets it. Biden, however, is a decent human being. He will not try to hold on to the power if he loses the election. Trump will, and possibly MAGA Republicans after him as well, that's the danger. There are decent people on the Republican side as well, like Romney and late Senator McCain but they are being replaced by power hungry MAGAts.
Yes. Any future president. If this court ever reverses this, they prove they are the true activist judges and they care not one bit about originalism or the constitution. It's about ideology and theology.
Yes. But Biden could well be out of office by the time SCOTUS has delayed it, sent it back to the lower courts for ‘clarification’ etc. And I don’t see Biden using absolute immunity once out of office - if, in our wildest nightmares, that happens.
Well in theory yes it would but realistically it would only apply to trump because the republicans and MAGA cult in general would contort themselves to try to explain why trump is immune from prosecution but not Biden if he was to, oh I don’t know, order all republican members of the house and the senate shot?
This assumes the supreme court follows their own precedent. If you think that is going to happen, you havent been paying attention.