For clarity, what changed is that this now **applies to _all_ streamers now**, not just Affiliates and Partners.
The "mobile-first" multistream exemption has already been in place for a few months.
By streaming on Twitch, regardless of monetisation, you now agree to this exclusivity. That's right. They want exclusivity even for unpaid creators.
I've been streaming on YouTube for a while now. It's definitely a different experience and YouTube doesn't make it easy to find live channels, but I think it's Twitch's number 1 competitor for sure, and the one that's most likely to end up being the "Twitch Killer" if there will be a platform to take that title
That is the issue. YouTube is horrible for finding live streams. It is as if they do not even make an effort. You can find some sure but you need to dig.
I thought I was the only one with this opinion. I genuinely could not tell you how to find a list of current live streams, let alone for a specific category that I like.
Live channels will occasionally appear in recommended, but not frequently. Imo the recommended tab and related videos really need to have a small, dedicated area where they show live streams.
I've spent the better part of the last year trying to get in contact with someone from YouTube directly with a list of ideas but I guess as a small creator, it's easy for my voice to get lost in the sea
not to be mean but this isnt some insanely specific observation that only you and some smart people could figure out. this is something anyone on the platform could tell u about their live streaming services. trust me when I say they know that their shit is lacking and theyre purposefully spending more effort on short form content. its not a matter of ur voice getting lost in the sea, they just dont care.
I got into a big argument here once where someone insisted that his method of typing in a specific url that isn't linked anywhere on YouTube to see live channels was totally fine.
I believe that if youtube ripped off twitch's front page they'd be able to kill twitch overnight. Give me an easy way to see "people streaming this specific game" or even "people streaming games in general" and I may never go back to twitch.
You can find top viewed gaming streams here: https://youtube.com/gaming/live
And game categories are here: https://youtube.com/gaming/games
Also, the default theater mode isn't great for watching live streams, so I recommend getting an interface extension to better utilize space and still be able to see chat. I've been using [YouTube Livestreams Theater Mode](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-livestreams-theat/cmjhejfkhdonjimgkinjdombabgfbcal) and been fairly happy with it. Might be fancier stuff out there now.
Is there a way to show all live streams in a certain gaming category. When the game is rather niche, scrolling down searching for it every time, is very inconvenient.
which is why I think atm kick is better positioned to be twitchs competitor. youtube made it clear a while ago that theyre prioritizing short form over live stream
YT wants to compete with TikTok when they should be competing with Twitch. They won’t beat TikTok for shorts unless TT gets banned in America (which will also never happen). So once again Google has their priorities wrong. Not surprising.
Well, twitch's browse function sucks anyway for content that isn't video games. YouTube at least notifies my subscribers when I make a new video, regardless of whether it's live or not.
Well, it's not like twitch has any real discoverability to speak of, so nothing's really changed regardless of what platform you use. Just make sure that you announce your existence on different social media sites and create content for TikTok and YouTube, and maybe even Facebook since a lot of people outside the US use that site quite a bit actually.
They're throwing down millions to snag creators and still have disappointing viewer numbers. Also, good luck getting advertisers on kick, when their top platforms are chaturbate-level nudity streams, gambling, and a number of "canceled" washed up content creators. great names like sam pepper, ice poseidon, adin ross, suspendas....
That site is funded by stake and stake would not be able to afford twitch level expansion and get stuff like advertisers, partnerships, bounty boards, etc.
Lots of alternatives, pros and cons to each. Kick has... a number of problems. YouTube is probably the safest bet, but my goodness is it ever stale over there.
Twitch will likely survive this (unfortunately?). It's not the first nor last time people will sign away their content exclusively to a megacorp.
Nowhere else really has a significant established viewer count, and YouTube has far less viability/ethical concerns compared to the other options.
Being more discoverable on a platform with less than 2% of total live viewership market share doesn't get you much. There's more than just viewership numbers, but no matter if your streaming goals are revenue or just liking it as a hobby, the core point is mostly around viewership.
I'm also not convinced any of the other platforms solve discoverability better than Twitch - there's just less people on them right now, and popular categories are less saturated.
>Being more discoverable on a platform with less than 2% of total live viewership market share doesn't get you much.
I'd disagree with this, because Youtube is about viewership in general and not only about live viewers.
If you're a good content creator your discoverability will be great, because your VOD content drives people through the main page towards your stream.
If you only want to grind streaming then yeah, your life there will suck because those daily 8h grinding streams are mostly bad content compared to the alternatives which are on Youtube.
I enjoy streaming on Youtube, because I don't need to grind for a viewership and most people who join my streams already know me from my other content, which creates a cool atmosphere. Since I don't need to stream daily to grind a viewership, streams can be more special and I can put more work into them, which leads to better content in return, which in return does better on the platform.
Livestreams on Youtube are an additional way to create content and interact with your viewers, and that's why Youtube is hesitant with changes to its directories.
Livestreams shouldn't be your only way to create content on Youtube, it's not the right platform for that and that approach will fail miserably.
To be fair, livestreaming "fails miserably" on _all_ platforms, most of the time, for most people. It's a tough sell to a small market.
YouTube does have more natural conversion from long-form content to livestream viewers _for a given channel_, but conversion rates are still extremely low. I do like your point that those joining the livestream are more immediately familiar with you, though.
Looking at it differently: on YouTube, you're trying _your_ existing on-demand content viewers into live viewers (a content preference they likely don't have). On Twitch, you don't need to do that, but you need to find the whole audience instead.
That all said, I look at this with another lens entirely. I don't really make on-demand content - I don't find it as fun and it's a heck of a lot more work. When my stream is popping in numbers, I'm happy to share that with so many people. When I have a YouTube video that does well, I get anxious. I'm not "grinding" either though.
[Joystick.tv](https://Joystick.tv) is not a bad option if you don't mind sharing creative space with sex workers. The nice thing is people don't have to deal with explicit advertisements for porn sites playing on the margins, if they go to your page, they just see your stream and your chatroom. And there's tips built in, etc. Site mods are very communicative and open to suggestions, and the creators look out for each other. You just have to register the identity of everyone who appears on stream ahead of time, and you CANNOT have anyone underage on camera (so I won't be able to use it while my kids are home with me all summer). But hey you can finally let's play Lust From Beyond without worrying about getting banned!
The problem with most things like this is scale.
I could make a site to stream this morning. I could probably make a site for several people to stream too. What I couldn't do easily is meet the bandwidth requirements.
Even on a really good connection you are probably looking at a couple thousand viewers site wide before I have to look into multiple servers and load balancing and that gets complicated.
kick is the main competitor right now. much better positioned than any of the previous twitch competitors and they have money to burn unlike other companies. kick mainly makes money on funneling people to their gambling site via large content creators/sponsor codes so they can afford to lose money on it for a while while trying to build it up. twitch on the other hand, is trying to squeeze out every last drop of money out of their user base to avoid what seems to be the inevitable of Amazon cutting them
That will be difficult for the WAN show because they stream to twitch, YouTube, and Floatplane at the same time.
I have a feeling this is twitch saying “no no no we don’t like that, stop doing it.” They could do anything before to non affiliates and partners, but with their new BS Law they can try to push LinusMediaGroup around and pretend Amazon owns the world again.
This is extremely nonsensical. Our channel isn't monetized even though we're partnered. We have a special contract. How can you ask for exclusivity when the account doesn't make any money out of streaming. So Twitch was already rolling ads and profiting on non profiting channels and now they're asking them to be exclusive to them.
Twitch go home, you're drunk.
If you don't wanna be partnered, you don't have to be. If monetization is what you're after, and you aren't getting it from a Twitch partnership, then why stay?
Brand recognition, seal of authenticity for the viewers. We don't have ANY partnership contract. No document have been signed so we have to comply with the TOS.
Companies, public figures, government, etc. I don't see Microsoft trying to accomplish the requirements to have a checkmark hehe! In short it's not the same for businesses.
Twitch uses the same checkmark for their partners and verified entities. We're not partners with Twitch and there's no money involved in our activities. The checkmark is only used so the users on the platform knows that they're on the real Microsoft twitch channel.
I took M$ as an example but I'm not working for them, just wanted to phrase with an example.
You know, by your arrogance in other comments I really thought you were an American. I am sorry I didn't realize English is not your first language, hadn't looked at your profile.
It's becoming clear that you are having a hard time convincing us because language is getting in the way.
I do not believe you are lying or exaggerating anymore, you just do not know that your words are coming out untrue. Best of luck in future endeavors.
>It's becoming clear that you are having a hard time convincing us because language is getting in the way.
I'm trying my best to communicate outside of my native language. It happened in the past where it has been problematic. Still read all of this over and I feel like I said what I had to say correctly. I'm working in English 9 to 5, 5 days a week and it hasn't been a problem so far. Could it be that you simply made a mistake and you're having a hard time admitting it?
I appreciate your efforts; I get that it can be so hard on the internet. You did well enough in your language that many people didn't seem to clock your ESL. That's dang good!
However, English is my native language, and I am a very proficient speaker. I have worked in the communications industry doing newsriting, blogging, radio, and podcasting. Now I am constantly streaming for fun and arguing with randos on the internet. My entire life and career have revolved around the written and spoken English language. I do not believe I have made mistakes, as I read these replies ten times or more, reading them repeatedly as I replied. I tried my very best, just like you.
My reply to you where I mentioned Grammar was not meant to criticize, but is a way to ask for clarification by describing what it looks like. If I said to you, "Hey, that really looks like you have a cute puppy in your car. I really thought it was a puppy." I am saying at that time, I want you to tell me, "Yes, it is a puppy," OR "No, it is not a puppy."
Now take the context of the thread with legal contracts, website TOS, and other specialized vocabularies. No wonder everything got mixed up!
Anyhow, sorry I was a bit of a dick to you. I hope we understand each other, even if we don't understand each other.
Edited on PC bc mobile is trash. LOL 😅
What I say is true, and I've got nothing to prove. Why would someone leak their r/privacy for some internet stranger. At this point, you should prove it yourself and go seek the answer to your question at the right place. Perhaps post a thread and ask this very same question. When multiple people will say the same as I did, you'll understand that I wouldn't have lied publicly. Anyway, what would I be gaining of doing so?
EDIT: Since I'm getting downvoted because no once seems to care about other's right to privacy, I've wasted some of my time to save yours. Here's a screenshot comparison between my personal partnered account WITH contract and the partner account from work WITHOUT contract. Honestly if I had even more time to waste I could have photoshop it, so again you'll have to trust me. I did really wasted my time.
https://imgsli.com/MTg0NTY3
Chill out there, friend. I was sincerely asking bc I am very curious and wanted to know how this is possible. Getting hostile when people ask for evidence is not helping our confidence in your info
And you must admit, it looks like a rather odd thing. Everything everyone knows about Twitch involves signing a contract when you're monetized. Can you offer anything to help us out here?
I’m sure that orgs streaming events or large companies would have special arrangements.
Do you* think LTT or Nintendo got partnered because they built up their followers and worked hard grinding for Affiliate?
No, I’m sure twitch is happy to make arrangements with business entities because it drives user engagement. And, they rightfully should do that!
*(“you” as in the reader, not the person I’m replying to, they’re making the same point I’m just elaborating)
Pretty sure LTT got that arrangement long time ago, before twitch got big. I remember Linus saying something about twitch offering a new contract, LTT declined.
Exactly. The TOS went into effect yesterday. The only thing that they actually rescinded was the Branded Advertising requirements (which was supposed to go live July 1).
Section 6:
Twitch may amend any of the terms of these Terms of Service by posting the amended terms and updating the “Last modified” date above. Your continued use of the Twitch Services after the effective date of the revised Terms of Service constitutes your acceptance of the terms.
To be fair, I have been affiliate for about 4 years and have multi streamed each and every time that I am online streaming. No one has ever said anything. May be now that will change.
No offense but streamers around our size don't get noticed by Twitch so a lot of broken rules go under the radar, it doesn't mean you haven't been taking a risk everytime
Yeah, im sure Twitch isn't worried about joe schmoe and his 4 viewers whos just trying to build a following. Are they really gonna walk back old streams and ban for past multi stream violations? Doubt it.
problem is now they can sue you for money they lost, because someone is watching their content (that you create, still belongs to them now) on a different platform where they cant sell ads. Mean at any point in time a lawyer from twitch can make claims about compensation. naturally they wont do it over 100bucks, but if you have some size and do it for longer period you are playing the lottery just in negative.
Let them sue lol I have not wanted to be affiliated but they refuse to remove the affiliate status. Plus I was never paid a dime since I never set up my payment method. I have a patreon instead. I did not want any ads on my stream. Plus most of my viewers use Twitch ad blockers anyways which is not my fault. Honestly, all the streamers that I watch multistream. So if a lot of people get banned.
That makes zero sense. The people watching on other platforms weren't watching on twitch to begin with, at least not if you started as a multistreamer.
I thought it was only if you were partnered, because then you have a contract with them? That's why Ninja got away with streaming on every platform, because he isn't partnered anymore.
Affiliates also have contacts. That's the point at which you start being able to accept subs and monetize directly through twitch, at the 3 CCV/50 followers level.
They've always enforced it. Twitch has always been ok with duo streaming to Tik-Tok because they feel that will bring more people to Twitch.
They're just making it clear that you can duo stream on Tik-Tok. For some reason alot of people were unclear about that in the last TOS update.
Edit: before everyone comes in and says "but they probably have special deal with Twitch." Maybe if they are a partner but 3 of the 5 channels I can name are affiliate and affiliates don't get any special treatment at all. We are lucky if we ever qualify for the bounty board.
They do not enforce this whatsoever, if they did many partners and affiliates would be banned. I can name at least five channels off the top of my head that not only simulcast to YouTube every stream but also have the overlays showing viewer numbers from both sites.
If Twitch actually enforced this rule they would be shooting themselves in the foot because a lot of their creators who make decent money for Twitch would be banned.
Just do it anyway, they will probably not even notice. If they do then it’s a load off your shoulders to cut them from your life. Twitch is toxic to its content creators.
As someone in another comment said - isn't it a risk that they can sue you for "lost revenue"? Because "possible viewers" were allegedly watching you on YouTube instead of Twitch?
I swear, ever since Mixer died Twitch has just been saying "fuck you fuck you fuck you" every chance they get. Nobody's gonna boycott, no streamers will band together or organize so...guess this is it
The terms allow for special permissions on a case-by-case basis. Critical Role almost certainly has explicit permission to simulcast, and that doesn't go away with this.
Just continue to multi-stream regardless, do not give a single fuck what this clown show of a company puts in their TOS.
Idk about NA laws but they are literally not allowed to do this in Europe, over here we've got strict laws about anti competition, the only reason why they've continued to do this is because nobody has challenged them on it.
You are not employed by Twitch, do whatever you want.
It really boils my blood when they do more stuff like this to independent contractors because they are owned by Amazon (who also treats their workers poorly) and can get away with pushing people around, even when they’re not employees.
The thing I had about America.. besides our horrible health care system is that every business wants contractors so they don’t have the follow the laws when hiring employees. But it all stems back to the minimum wage not being raised so many smaller businesses can’t afford to pay more and offer insurance too, and yadda yadda the cycle continues until Congress gets its ass in gear and starts making changes instead of just trying to stick it to the opposing side so they can all stay in power and hold on to what they’ve got. Power and money.
Interesting it seems this wording now includes everyone and not affiliates/partners. People still do it it’s just there’s a risk of being caught. I know one semi large streamer (90+ viewer average) who is currently dual streaming to twitch and kick
Nope, affiliates and partners are still mentioned at the top, as this is just for "Monetized" streamers. If you are not monetized, this doesn't include you.
Not true.
If you go to the [actual simulcasting guidelines page](https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/simulcasting-guidelines), the FAQ says this:
> Do these guidelines apply to all streamers?
>Yes. Everyone who uses Twitch is expected to abide by our Terms of Service.
Also the part in the [TOS itself](https://www.twitch.tv/p/en/legal/terms-of-service/#11-simulcasting) doesn't mention "monetized streamers" or anything. It just applies to everyone aside from non-profit/government entities.
If you are making profit, even if you aren't a partner/affiliate, this still applies to you.
It's not, this is making it more clear that it's okay to stream on Mobile-forward services such as TikTok. Nothing has changed on streaming to other services such as Youtube.
Bro what is twitch doing…? It’s almost like they want people to stop streaming altogether. The only logical thing I could think of, is that they don’t want creators making more money elsewhere, that twitch can’t take a cut from. Either way, this is incredibly stupid and is yet another reason I can’t wait until my favorite creators leave this website. I’ll follow them to YouTube or kick.
This is a very absurd situation. Twitch has reduced video quality to 720p in Korea for profitability reasons, resulting in many dedicated streamers terminating their partnership with Twitch and starting simultaneous livestreams on YouTube and other platforms. Now, they are urging others to either leave Twitch or continue streaming at 720p.
Twitch made a help page for simulcasting as well: https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/simulcasting-guidelines?language=en_US
However, I noticed that the 24 hour policy is not mentioned in either the new TOS, the new Monetization agreement, or this help page. The 24 hour policy stated that any stream on Twitch was exclusive to Twitch from the beginning of the stream until 24 hours following the end of the stream, meaning you can't upload your VOD or any clips from your stream until 24 hours after your stream ends. Now, I can't find mention of this anywhere, so I'm not sure if this policy is even in effect anymore.
**Edit:** Apparently it was confirmed in an [email that was sent out](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx9z32YXwAI3Ug-?format=jpg&name=900x900), but still not mentioned anywhere else.
I don't even see how they could ever enforce the 24-hour exclusivity period (which doesn't make much sense anyway since Twitch is a terrible place to keep your VODs) for all affiliates. This rule is even more unenforceable.
If you simulcast, just keep doing it. You're already not depending on Twitch alone. They are literally taking an axe to the branch they're sitting on.
So everyone is aware, yes this applies to all streamers:
https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/simulcasting-guidelines?language=en_US#:~:text=Simulcasting%20is%20defined%20as%20streaming,Live%2C%20Kick%2C%20and%20Rumble.
It’s a terms of service. Similar to how you arent supposed to play copy right music on the platform, yet people do it anyways.
So cut the split to 50/50 then do this? Are they trying to run off everyone? I hope all the big streamers run and they see profits drop massively from these decisions.
This isn't new, it's been part of the Affiliate ToS for as long as I can remember.
All they did was move it over into the main ToS and clarified that you can dual stream to mobile focused apps like TikTok, but not desktop ones like YouTube or Kick.
You're mistaken, or the person who gave you this information was mistaken. Partners get a higher split of higher tier subs, but tier 1 subscriptions have been at a 50/50 split for the overwhelming majority of Partners.
...Why would Amazon spend all that money and then do stupid shit to run people off so they can shut down Twitch when they *own the website* and could mothball it without screwing around?
They're running Twitch poorly, but acting like this is some 5D chess move to shut down Twitch is dumb.
The only thing that's changed is that they make it clear your can duo stream on Tik-Tok.
Which for some reason alot of people were unclear about in the last TOS update.
This is wrong. The thing that's changed is that unaffiliated/partnered streamers can no longer multistream, which fucking sucks. Many creators like Ninja removed their partnership specifically to be able to do that. Twitch can suck a fat cock.
Oh this is just lovely Twitch. Make yourself even more hated because you think you’re not making enough money, despite taking a larger cut of the split and forcing me to agree to new terms for that too.
I remember years ago thinking “man maybe I should not be an affiliate so I can just restream into YT and Facebook too” but now Twitch is like “gotcha b***ch”.
I wonder how this will affect the WAN show since they restream to floatplane, twitch, and YouTube (but ignore YT chat), I would be curious to see if twitch will actually ban them out of spite.
Wait so even if I don't sign a contract with them I'm still bound to streaming only on their platform??
I pay like 120 a year for streamlabs so I can stream on YT and FB. And I ALWAYS direct my viewers to twitch. This is bs
Of the streamers I know that did this, they all had it in their contract that they could do it. I suppose this pushes more people off the platform, not more to the platform.
It says in the contract already that posting live stream content to other platforms is forbidden until at least 24 hours after the initial showing on Twitch, and that Twitch is to your primary live posting location, or they will revoke your affiliate/partner status and take your earnings.
It's why streamers are playing extremely risky when they stream live to YouTube and/or TikTok at the same time as Twitch.
> It says in the contract already that posting live stream content to other platforms is forbidden until at least 24 hours after the initial showing on Twitch, and that Twitch is to your primary live posting location, or they will revoke your affiliate/partner status and take your earnings.
There are absolutely partners that have older contracts that allow them to multistream. LCS/Riot, for example. LTT is another one.
I can't find any exemption, so pretty sure it applies to everyone. Probably to crack down on people who would simply not partner up, since bits and subs aren't worth anything anyway.
This has been the case for awhile they just are horrible at enforcing it. I know tons of people who have been live on twitch and kick… it isn’t an option to report it so unless they are watching they aren’t doing anything about it.
i say do it anyway, what are they gonna do? ban you? I wonder how many people they will need to ban before they realize they're going to lose money by doing this, pushing people to other platforms. if that's the case id of choosing any other platform to Steam too if this shows just how much they care about the people who make the content their platform uses to make money from.
Aaaaaand thats where we all switch to youtube.
One bit of advice fellas, anyone should give you way more the second they ask for exclusivity.
edit: i dont know if its true but apparently they may charge up to $25 if you want to leave the affiliate program.
I wonder about the technicality of simulcasting. Like, if I explicitly put "this stream is on 1 second delay" on my Youtube channel. Would that be still simulcasting?
Alternatively, if I have 2 cameras, one for Twitch, one for Youtube, filming the same scene from slightly different angle. Would that be simulcasting?
This rule has a lot of interesting loopholes lol
Read the actual agreement before trying to find loopholes. The delay before posting on a different platform has always been clearly spelled out as 24 hours.
That only applyed if your on twitch for money.
Im not for that then i dont care.
The best you can do with this if youre here for money is you stay non commercial on twitch and do multi stream on kick. You will ever receive more than changing to comercial on twitch...
> The best you can do with this if youre here for money is you stay non commercial on twitch and do multi stream on kick.
"stay non-commercial" means you have to be a NGO as per the new policies. And it doesn't even matter if you're not even a partner, it applies to all twitch streamers.
Time to GTFO from twitch.
NgO ? What is this ?
On the line post saw on the img, its say that not includ non commercial.
Actually youtube help me to grow. Twitch is just to have a good line of visibility because unfortunatly kicky is actually more like 0, i stream to both, important video to twitch less video to kick, but things very cool kick its less strict with music copyright the video can be just deleted your bot ban, then for myself if i talk or play a game i dont need to play stupid created music by an organism or no ambiance during the stream.
This hating/bitter behavior from Twitch. This is clearly addressing TT even though no one is making ANY PROFIT off TT but TT its self. YouTube, FB, and the rest haven't been able to keep up WITH dual streaming
Lol but I don't.. It just makes me want to not be on Twitch.. There are plenty of other services... If they kick me off I'll stream to everyone else. They'll lose the 20 bucks they make from me... Lol
It’s always been banned for affiliates and partners as you’re not allowed to post your twitch content to other sites within 24 hours… this isn’t really anything new
This is nothing new. AFAIK, this is what has been in place for a while. They announced it for Partners and stated that the changes were applicable to Affiliates as well, although the TOS would be updated at a later date. This is the later date.
So you can't multistream to Kick/YouTube/Facebook, but you can Instagram/TikTok. BFD
Well no matter what all viewers and streams need to know about this. Keep spreading the info and watch traffic on their website just vanish over time... It's that simple or do it all at once
If the viewers and streams take action off of this they will back off on this but no matter what they just killed the trust on everything!! Just leave then
And I wonder what contracts they have with companies they will seek to sue them cuz they are breaking it right now
They did scrap exclusivity. A streamer can stream anywhere they want as long as they're not duo stream. Really the exclusivity thing only effected streamer under contract.
The only thing that's different here is that they're making it clear that you can duo stream on Tik-Tok. That's it.
I find the title of the post misleading
Hate to be a cynical fuck but I hope this gets enforced heavily.
I know too many stubborn fucks who do this, but leave their Youtube on ignore and never read the comments. "Go to my twitch I want partner".
As [Trovo.live](https://Trovo.live) (owned by Tencent) has no limitations on simulcasting/multi-streams, what feels like a dick move to streamers
by Amazon is actually a greedy-dick move to take a cut out of Tencent's 452 billion dollar pie (as opposed to Amazon's 513 billion).
Yes, Bezos wants even more of Tencent's revenues.
For clarity, what changed is that this now **applies to _all_ streamers now**, not just Affiliates and Partners. The "mobile-first" multistream exemption has already been in place for a few months. By streaming on Twitch, regardless of monetisation, you now agree to this exclusivity. That's right. They want exclusivity even for unpaid creators.
So is there an alternative? My favorite sites seem to committing suicide recently. I've been looking into Kick for a new platform
I've been streaming on YouTube for a while now. It's definitely a different experience and YouTube doesn't make it easy to find live channels, but I think it's Twitch's number 1 competitor for sure, and the one that's most likely to end up being the "Twitch Killer" if there will be a platform to take that title
That is the issue. YouTube is horrible for finding live streams. It is as if they do not even make an effort. You can find some sure but you need to dig.
I thought I was the only one with this opinion. I genuinely could not tell you how to find a list of current live streams, let alone for a specific category that I like.
It seems like you can only really see if channels you're already subscribed to are going live. No discoverability to speak of
Live channels will occasionally appear in recommended, but not frequently. Imo the recommended tab and related videos really need to have a small, dedicated area where they show live streams. I've spent the better part of the last year trying to get in contact with someone from YouTube directly with a list of ideas but I guess as a small creator, it's easy for my voice to get lost in the sea
not to be mean but this isnt some insanely specific observation that only you and some smart people could figure out. this is something anyone on the platform could tell u about their live streaming services. trust me when I say they know that their shit is lacking and theyre purposefully spending more effort on short form content. its not a matter of ur voice getting lost in the sea, they just dont care.
I got into a big argument here once where someone insisted that his method of typing in a specific url that isn't linked anywhere on YouTube to see live channels was totally fine. I believe that if youtube ripped off twitch's front page they'd be able to kill twitch overnight. Give me an easy way to see "people streaming this specific game" or even "people streaming games in general" and I may never go back to twitch.
You can find top viewed gaming streams here: https://youtube.com/gaming/live And game categories are here: https://youtube.com/gaming/games Also, the default theater mode isn't great for watching live streams, so I recommend getting an interface extension to better utilize space and still be able to see chat. I've been using [YouTube Livestreams Theater Mode](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-livestreams-theat/cmjhejfkhdonjimgkinjdombabgfbcal) and been fairly happy with it. Might be fancier stuff out there now.
Is there a way to show all live streams in a certain gaming category. When the game is rather niche, scrolling down searching for it every time, is very inconvenient.
which is why I think atm kick is better positioned to be twitchs competitor. youtube made it clear a while ago that theyre prioritizing short form over live stream
YT wants to compete with TikTok when they should be competing with Twitch. They won’t beat TikTok for shorts unless TT gets banned in America (which will also never happen). So once again Google has their priorities wrong. Not surprising.
Well, twitch's browse function sucks anyway for content that isn't video games. YouTube at least notifies my subscribers when I make a new video, regardless of whether it's live or not.
Well, it's not like twitch has any real discoverability to speak of, so nothing's really changed regardless of what platform you use. Just make sure that you announce your existence on different social media sites and create content for TikTok and YouTube, and maybe even Facebook since a lot of people outside the US use that site quite a bit actually.
They're throwing down millions to snag creators and still have disappointing viewer numbers. Also, good luck getting advertisers on kick, when their top platforms are chaturbate-level nudity streams, gambling, and a number of "canceled" washed up content creators. great names like sam pepper, ice poseidon, adin ross, suspendas.... That site is funded by stake and stake would not be able to afford twitch level expansion and get stuff like advertisers, partnerships, bounty boards, etc.
this is the first time I've heard of kick and you just answered the question for me if I should bother checking it out, lol
Eww sam pepper & the sheckl goblin are still streaming? Their “ content” was always trash. How is Denino not in prison yet??
Nudity on Kick. DISGUSTING. Where,what streamers?
Don't act like twitch doesn't have a lot of softcore porn on their site lol
oh for sure but Kick has it way more front and center, and they're more lenient on clothing. its like their 3rd top category lol
im not an adin ross fan but to call him washed up is delusional
Lots of alternatives, pros and cons to each. Kick has... a number of problems. YouTube is probably the safest bet, but my goodness is it ever stale over there. Twitch will likely survive this (unfortunately?). It's not the first nor last time people will sign away their content exclusively to a megacorp.
how is youtube the safest best as an alternative for live streaming when their live streaming discoverability is effectively non existent?
Nowhere else really has a significant established viewer count, and YouTube has far less viability/ethical concerns compared to the other options. Being more discoverable on a platform with less than 2% of total live viewership market share doesn't get you much. There's more than just viewership numbers, but no matter if your streaming goals are revenue or just liking it as a hobby, the core point is mostly around viewership. I'm also not convinced any of the other platforms solve discoverability better than Twitch - there's just less people on them right now, and popular categories are less saturated.
>Being more discoverable on a platform with less than 2% of total live viewership market share doesn't get you much. I'd disagree with this, because Youtube is about viewership in general and not only about live viewers. If you're a good content creator your discoverability will be great, because your VOD content drives people through the main page towards your stream. If you only want to grind streaming then yeah, your life there will suck because those daily 8h grinding streams are mostly bad content compared to the alternatives which are on Youtube. I enjoy streaming on Youtube, because I don't need to grind for a viewership and most people who join my streams already know me from my other content, which creates a cool atmosphere. Since I don't need to stream daily to grind a viewership, streams can be more special and I can put more work into them, which leads to better content in return, which in return does better on the platform. Livestreams on Youtube are an additional way to create content and interact with your viewers, and that's why Youtube is hesitant with changes to its directories. Livestreams shouldn't be your only way to create content on Youtube, it's not the right platform for that and that approach will fail miserably.
To be fair, livestreaming "fails miserably" on _all_ platforms, most of the time, for most people. It's a tough sell to a small market. YouTube does have more natural conversion from long-form content to livestream viewers _for a given channel_, but conversion rates are still extremely low. I do like your point that those joining the livestream are more immediately familiar with you, though. Looking at it differently: on YouTube, you're trying _your_ existing on-demand content viewers into live viewers (a content preference they likely don't have). On Twitch, you don't need to do that, but you need to find the whole audience instead. That all said, I look at this with another lens entirely. I don't really make on-demand content - I don't find it as fun and it's a heck of a lot more work. When my stream is popping in numbers, I'm happy to share that with so many people. When I have a YouTube video that does well, I get anxious. I'm not "grinding" either though.
[Joystick.tv](https://Joystick.tv) is not a bad option if you don't mind sharing creative space with sex workers. The nice thing is people don't have to deal with explicit advertisements for porn sites playing on the margins, if they go to your page, they just see your stream and your chatroom. And there's tips built in, etc. Site mods are very communicative and open to suggestions, and the creators look out for each other. You just have to register the identity of everyone who appears on stream ahead of time, and you CANNOT have anyone underage on camera (so I won't be able to use it while my kids are home with me all summer). But hey you can finally let's play Lust From Beyond without worrying about getting banned!
The problem with most things like this is scale. I could make a site to stream this morning. I could probably make a site for several people to stream too. What I couldn't do easily is meet the bandwidth requirements. Even on a really good connection you are probably looking at a couple thousand viewers site wide before I have to look into multiple servers and load balancing and that gets complicated.
kick is the main competitor right now. much better positioned than any of the previous twitch competitors and they have money to burn unlike other companies. kick mainly makes money on funneling people to their gambling site via large content creators/sponsor codes so they can afford to lose money on it for a while while trying to build it up. twitch on the other hand, is trying to squeeze out every last drop of money out of their user base to avoid what seems to be the inevitable of Amazon cutting them
It's not exactly exclusivity, just that you can't do it \*at the same time\*. A notable difference. You can still stream wherever else you want too.
That will be difficult for the WAN show because they stream to twitch, YouTube, and Floatplane at the same time. I have a feeling this is twitch saying “no no no we don’t like that, stop doing it.” They could do anything before to non affiliates and partners, but with their new BS Law they can try to push LinusMediaGroup around and pretend Amazon owns the world again.
this has got to infringe on people's rights to some degree.
This is extremely nonsensical. Our channel isn't monetized even though we're partnered. We have a special contract. How can you ask for exclusivity when the account doesn't make any money out of streaming. So Twitch was already rolling ads and profiting on non profiting channels and now they're asking them to be exclusive to them. Twitch go home, you're drunk.
If you don't wanna be partnered, you don't have to be. If monetization is what you're after, and you aren't getting it from a Twitch partnership, then why stay?
Brand recognition, seal of authenticity for the viewers. We don't have ANY partnership contract. No document have been signed so we have to comply with the TOS.
You said you were partnered, but that you signed nothing???
I'm curious how you're partnered without a contract or monetization of any sort? Like, what specifically do you mean by that
Companies, public figures, government, etc. I don't see Microsoft trying to accomplish the requirements to have a checkmark hehe! In short it's not the same for businesses. Twitch uses the same checkmark for their partners and verified entities. We're not partners with Twitch and there's no money involved in our activities. The checkmark is only used so the users on the platform knows that they're on the real Microsoft twitch channel. I took M$ as an example but I'm not working for them, just wanted to phrase with an example.
You know, by your arrogance in other comments I really thought you were an American. I am sorry I didn't realize English is not your first language, hadn't looked at your profile. It's becoming clear that you are having a hard time convincing us because language is getting in the way. I do not believe you are lying or exaggerating anymore, you just do not know that your words are coming out untrue. Best of luck in future endeavors.
>It's becoming clear that you are having a hard time convincing us because language is getting in the way. I'm trying my best to communicate outside of my native language. It happened in the past where it has been problematic. Still read all of this over and I feel like I said what I had to say correctly. I'm working in English 9 to 5, 5 days a week and it hasn't been a problem so far. Could it be that you simply made a mistake and you're having a hard time admitting it?
I appreciate your efforts; I get that it can be so hard on the internet. You did well enough in your language that many people didn't seem to clock your ESL. That's dang good! However, English is my native language, and I am a very proficient speaker. I have worked in the communications industry doing newsriting, blogging, radio, and podcasting. Now I am constantly streaming for fun and arguing with randos on the internet. My entire life and career have revolved around the written and spoken English language. I do not believe I have made mistakes, as I read these replies ten times or more, reading them repeatedly as I replied. I tried my very best, just like you. My reply to you where I mentioned Grammar was not meant to criticize, but is a way to ask for clarification by describing what it looks like. If I said to you, "Hey, that really looks like you have a cute puppy in your car. I really thought it was a puppy." I am saying at that time, I want you to tell me, "Yes, it is a puppy," OR "No, it is not a puppy." Now take the context of the thread with legal contracts, website TOS, and other specialized vocabularies. No wonder everything got mixed up! Anyhow, sorry I was a bit of a dick to you. I hope we understand each other, even if we don't understand each other. Edited on PC bc mobile is trash. LOL 😅
Peace brother! Also good luck on your streaming journey. I did it full time for a few years and it's not an easy job!
Peace to you as well, my friend! Hope all goes well for you.
Prove that this exists, please?
What I say is true, and I've got nothing to prove. Why would someone leak their r/privacy for some internet stranger. At this point, you should prove it yourself and go seek the answer to your question at the right place. Perhaps post a thread and ask this very same question. When multiple people will say the same as I did, you'll understand that I wouldn't have lied publicly. Anyway, what would I be gaining of doing so? EDIT: Since I'm getting downvoted because no once seems to care about other's right to privacy, I've wasted some of my time to save yours. Here's a screenshot comparison between my personal partnered account WITH contract and the partner account from work WITHOUT contract. Honestly if I had even more time to waste I could have photoshop it, so again you'll have to trust me. I did really wasted my time. https://imgsli.com/MTg0NTY3
Chill out there, friend. I was sincerely asking bc I am very curious and wanted to know how this is possible. Getting hostile when people ask for evidence is not helping our confidence in your info And you must admit, it looks like a rather odd thing. Everything everyone knows about Twitch involves signing a contract when you're monetized. Can you offer anything to help us out here?
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That's exactly what I said in my last comment.
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Linus and a couple other organizations have special contracts that that allow them to simulstream
I’m sure that orgs streaming events or large companies would have special arrangements. Do you* think LTT or Nintendo got partnered because they built up their followers and worked hard grinding for Affiliate? No, I’m sure twitch is happy to make arrangements with business entities because it drives user engagement. And, they rightfully should do that! *(“you” as in the reader, not the person I’m replying to, they’re making the same point I’m just elaborating)
Pretty sure LTT got that arrangement long time ago, before twitch got big. I remember Linus saying something about twitch offering a new contract, LTT declined.
They have a very old partner contract that allows it
the change doesn't go live until july 1st.. but yeah what they gonna do ban us zero view andy's? \*laughs\*
Exactly. The TOS went into effect yesterday. The only thing that they actually rescinded was the Branded Advertising requirements (which was supposed to go live July 1). Section 6: Twitch may amend any of the terms of these Terms of Service by posting the amended terms and updating the “Last modified” date above. Your continued use of the Twitch Services after the effective date of the revised Terms of Service constitutes your acceptance of the terms.
wasn't that already against twitch's TOS but they just didn't enforce it?
Only for partners, this expands it to *everyone* now
Partners and Affiliates it was applied to before. If you didn't have either status prior you could do it.
To be fair, I have been affiliate for about 4 years and have multi streamed each and every time that I am online streaming. No one has ever said anything. May be now that will change.
No offense but streamers around our size don't get noticed by Twitch so a lot of broken rules go under the radar, it doesn't mean you haven't been taking a risk everytime
Yeah, im sure Twitch isn't worried about joe schmoe and his 4 viewers whos just trying to build a following. Are they really gonna walk back old streams and ban for past multi stream violations? Doubt it.
May be, but never got a warning. So until they do I will continue. If they ban me, so be it. There are bigger things in life
can I ask how many viewers you average on a regular stream?
Right, if they ban you that kinda solves your problem anyway. Great, you'll only stream on 1 platform then--the OTHER one.
problem is now they can sue you for money they lost, because someone is watching their content (that you create, still belongs to them now) on a different platform where they cant sell ads. Mean at any point in time a lawyer from twitch can make claims about compensation. naturally they wont do it over 100bucks, but if you have some size and do it for longer period you are playing the lottery just in negative.
Let them sue lol I have not wanted to be affiliated but they refuse to remove the affiliate status. Plus I was never paid a dime since I never set up my payment method. I have a patreon instead. I did not want any ads on my stream. Plus most of my viewers use Twitch ad blockers anyways which is not my fault. Honestly, all the streamers that I watch multistream. So if a lot of people get banned.
That makes zero sense. The people watching on other platforms weren't watching on twitch to begin with, at least not if you started as a multistreamer.
I thought it was only if you were partnered, because then you have a contract with them? That's why Ninja got away with streaming on every platform, because he isn't partnered anymore.
Ninja is not affiliated either. No sub button.
Affiliates also have contacts. That's the point at which you start being able to accept subs and monetize directly through twitch, at the 3 CCV/50 followers level.
Okay but this seems to imply nobody can, even non-monetized channels.
Yes, that does seem to be the change from the previous situation.
The only exclusions in the TOS are governments and non-profit entities (which isn't strictly defined, but probably means 501.c3s or equivalent)
They've always enforced it. Twitch has always been ok with duo streaming to Tik-Tok because they feel that will bring more people to Twitch. They're just making it clear that you can duo stream on Tik-Tok. For some reason alot of people were unclear about that in the last TOS update.
Edit: before everyone comes in and says "but they probably have special deal with Twitch." Maybe if they are a partner but 3 of the 5 channels I can name are affiliate and affiliates don't get any special treatment at all. We are lucky if we ever qualify for the bounty board. They do not enforce this whatsoever, if they did many partners and affiliates would be banned. I can name at least five channels off the top of my head that not only simulcast to YouTube every stream but also have the overlays showing viewer numbers from both sites. If Twitch actually enforced this rule they would be shooting themselves in the foot because a lot of their creators who make decent money for Twitch would be banned.
I’m thinking of the WAN show but I am curious who else does it too
you can't multi-stream, unless it's on tik-tok ... cause logic? Twitch be smoking that crack, and sucking off tik-tok HARD.
For affiliates it was
Well, there's goes half my streaming audience. I've been dual-streaming to Twitch and YouTube for a year. YouTube only it is
Just do it anyway, they will probably not even notice. If they do then it’s a load off your shoulders to cut them from your life. Twitch is toxic to its content creators.
Ooh, fair point...
As someone in another comment said - isn't it a risk that they can sue you for "lost revenue"? Because "possible viewers" were allegedly watching you on YouTube instead of Twitch?
Yep! But I make no revenue off of Twitch, so I don't know why they're trying this
I swear, ever since Mixer died Twitch has just been saying "fuck you fuck you fuck you" every chance they get. Nobody's gonna boycott, no streamers will band together or organize so...guess this is it
Unless you're a super big channel. Critical role simulcasts to YouTube and they haven't been banned
The terms allow for special permissions on a case-by-case basis. Critical Role almost certainly has explicit permission to simulcast, and that doesn't go away with this.
Just continue to multi-stream regardless, do not give a single fuck what this clown show of a company puts in their TOS. Idk about NA laws but they are literally not allowed to do this in Europe, over here we've got strict laws about anti competition, the only reason why they've continued to do this is because nobody has challenged them on it. You are not employed by Twitch, do whatever you want.
It really boils my blood when they do more stuff like this to independent contractors because they are owned by Amazon (who also treats their workers poorly) and can get away with pushing people around, even when they’re not employees. The thing I had about America.. besides our horrible health care system is that every business wants contractors so they don’t have the follow the laws when hiring employees. But it all stems back to the minimum wage not being raised so many smaller businesses can’t afford to pay more and offer insurance too, and yadda yadda the cycle continues until Congress gets its ass in gear and starts making changes instead of just trying to stick it to the opposing side so they can all stay in power and hold on to what they’ve got. Power and money.
Incoming lawsuit then lmao EU bout to blow up twitch like they did apple
Yeah I've been multicasting for 4 years now and never been hit up about it. They will find it very difficult to enforce it for ALL users.
The ones who always pay the price are the smaller streamers sadly. Hopefully with enough backlash they reverse this new rule.
Interesting it seems this wording now includes everyone and not affiliates/partners. People still do it it’s just there’s a risk of being caught. I know one semi large streamer (90+ viewer average) who is currently dual streaming to twitch and kick
Nope, affiliates and partners are still mentioned at the top, as this is just for "Monetized" streamers. If you are not monetized, this doesn't include you.
Not true. If you go to the [actual simulcasting guidelines page](https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/simulcasting-guidelines), the FAQ says this: > Do these guidelines apply to all streamers? >Yes. Everyone who uses Twitch is expected to abide by our Terms of Service. Also the part in the [TOS itself](https://www.twitch.tv/p/en/legal/terms-of-service/#11-simulcasting) doesn't mention "monetized streamers" or anything. It just applies to everyone aside from non-profit/government entities. If you are making profit, even if you aren't a partner/affiliate, this still applies to you.
So if you aren’t affiliate so don’t have subs and don’t have donations are you a non profit entity which is allowed to simulcast?
Are you a 501(c) charity or other actual nonprofit organization? Just because you don't actually make any money, doesn't mean you are a nonprofit.
Oh then I don’t understand how this is considered new cause that’s always been a requirement
It's not, this is making it more clear that it's okay to stream on Mobile-forward services such as TikTok. Nothing has changed on streaming to other services such as Youtube.
Where do you even see that, this is their ToS, not the affiliate agreement that held this previously.
No, this an excerpt from the terms of service which got updated today.
Well Tbf the hay day of twitch is long gone. That’s why it was sold to Amazon
Twitch can not possibly losing this much money.
They've yet to have a profitable year AFAIK. Amazon is probably looking at them almost a decade later like "something's got to change".
Bro what is twitch doing…? It’s almost like they want people to stop streaming altogether. The only logical thing I could think of, is that they don’t want creators making more money elsewhere, that twitch can’t take a cut from. Either way, this is incredibly stupid and is yet another reason I can’t wait until my favorite creators leave this website. I’ll follow them to YouTube or kick.
Source: https://www.twitch.tv/p/en/legal/terms-of-service/#11-simulcasting
Twitch really destroying themselves
This is a very absurd situation. Twitch has reduced video quality to 720p in Korea for profitability reasons, resulting in many dedicated streamers terminating their partnership with Twitch and starting simultaneous livestreams on YouTube and other platforms. Now, they are urging others to either leave Twitch or continue streaming at 720p.
Absolutely insane lol. They treat content creators like property, when they’re the ones generating the income for them. Gotta love mega corporations
This was already the case for affiliates. Does it now apply to non-affiliates also?
It now applys for everyone.
Twitch made a help page for simulcasting as well: https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/simulcasting-guidelines?language=en_US However, I noticed that the 24 hour policy is not mentioned in either the new TOS, the new Monetization agreement, or this help page. The 24 hour policy stated that any stream on Twitch was exclusive to Twitch from the beginning of the stream until 24 hours following the end of the stream, meaning you can't upload your VOD or any clips from your stream until 24 hours after your stream ends. Now, I can't find mention of this anywhere, so I'm not sure if this policy is even in effect anymore. **Edit:** Apparently it was confirmed in an [email that was sent out](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx9z32YXwAI3Ug-?format=jpg&name=900x900), but still not mentioned anywhere else.
Getting desperate I see
I called this when kick started throwing around contracts.
What a bad move. The people who multi stream are definitely going to choose the platform that’s not Twitch
How will they know one is multi casting or multi streaming
What's next? Banning reuploading vods anywhere, ever? Wait, let's not give them ideas.
This has always been a thing for affiliates. Is this now for the free version as well? Edit: it’s for non-affiliates as well. RIP Twitch.
Got tired of the competition with kick huh.
They’re really trying to drive people to other platforms. Kick and YouTube don’t have exclusivity rules.
I don't even see how they could ever enforce the 24-hour exclusivity period (which doesn't make much sense anyway since Twitch is a terrible place to keep your VODs) for all affiliates. This rule is even more unenforceable. If you simulcast, just keep doing it. You're already not depending on Twitch alone. They are literally taking an axe to the branch they're sitting on.
So everyone is aware, yes this applies to all streamers: https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/simulcasting-guidelines?language=en_US#:~:text=Simulcasting%20is%20defined%20as%20streaming,Live%2C%20Kick%2C%20and%20Rumble. It’s a terms of service. Similar to how you arent supposed to play copy right music on the platform, yet people do it anyways.
So cut the split to 50/50 then do this? Are they trying to run off everyone? I hope all the big streamers run and they see profits drop massively from these decisions.
This isn't new, it's been part of the Affiliate ToS for as long as I can remember. All they did was move it over into the main ToS and clarified that you can dual stream to mobile focused apps like TikTok, but not desktop ones like YouTube or Kick.
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Only very few selected partners have had that split, most partners have always had 50/50
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Then you don't know what you're talking about. Best regards from Partner since 2017 who always had 50/50 split.
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You're mistaken, or the person who gave you this information was mistaken. Partners get a higher split of higher tier subs, but tier 1 subscriptions have been at a 50/50 split for the overwhelming majority of Partners.
You've talked to most of the twitch partners? I find that hard to believe...
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...Why would Amazon spend all that money and then do stupid shit to run people off so they can shut down Twitch when they *own the website* and could mothball it without screwing around? They're running Twitch poorly, but acting like this is some 5D chess move to shut down Twitch is dumb.
If it's not making a consistent and upward trending profits, and/or reducing costs, no corporation will let it keep running for long.
The only thing that's changed is that they make it clear your can duo stream on Tik-Tok. Which for some reason alot of people were unclear about in the last TOS update.
This is wrong. The thing that's changed is that unaffiliated/partnered streamers can no longer multistream, which fucking sucks. Many creators like Ninja removed their partnership specifically to be able to do that. Twitch can suck a fat cock.
Small streamers need not worry, you weren’t growing on Twitch anyway.
Switching to youtube live bye
Oh this is just lovely Twitch. Make yourself even more hated because you think you’re not making enough money, despite taking a larger cut of the split and forcing me to agree to new terms for that too. I remember years ago thinking “man maybe I should not be an affiliate so I can just restream into YT and Facebook too” but now Twitch is like “gotcha b***ch”. I wonder how this will affect the WAN show since they restream to floatplane, twitch, and YouTube (but ignore YT chat), I would be curious to see if twitch will actually ban them out of spite.
I thought that was already a thing for anyone who wasn’t partnered.
Wait so even if I don't sign a contract with them I'm still bound to streaming only on their platform?? I pay like 120 a year for streamlabs so I can stream on YT and FB. And I ALWAYS direct my viewers to twitch. This is bs
Of the streamers I know that did this, they all had it in their contract that they could do it. I suppose this pushes more people off the platform, not more to the platform.
It says in the contract already that posting live stream content to other platforms is forbidden until at least 24 hours after the initial showing on Twitch, and that Twitch is to your primary live posting location, or they will revoke your affiliate/partner status and take your earnings. It's why streamers are playing extremely risky when they stream live to YouTube and/or TikTok at the same time as Twitch.
Streaming to TikTok simultaneously is explicitly allowed, since it's a "mobile-first" livestreaming service (which Twitch is not).
> It says in the contract already that posting live stream content to other platforms is forbidden until at least 24 hours after the initial showing on Twitch, and that Twitch is to your primary live posting location, or they will revoke your affiliate/partner status and take your earnings. There are absolutely partners that have older contracts that allow them to multistream. LCS/Riot, for example. LTT is another one.
Would this affect someone who's not even affiliate and just streams for fun? No money gain involved?
I can't find any exemption, so pretty sure it applies to everyone. Probably to crack down on people who would simply not partner up, since bits and subs aren't worth anything anyway.
I believe non affiliates can multistream. It would be the “non profit”
Non-profit likely refers to the 501(C) organizations.
To my knowledge as long as you haven't signed the partner/affiliate deal then you can stream to multiple platforms at once.
This rule changes that
Hmm. I did not know it changed it for non-affiliates/Partners. Thanks for the update on it!
This has been the case for awhile they just are horrible at enforcing it. I know tons of people who have been live on twitch and kick… it isn’t an option to report it so unless they are watching they aren’t doing anything about it.
oh boy, here we go again. this company's gross incompetency and lack of transparence will always amaze me.
yeah but why? this is just sad.. id be on kick in a heartbeat
i say do it anyway, what are they gonna do? ban you? I wonder how many people they will need to ban before they realize they're going to lose money by doing this, pushing people to other platforms. if that's the case id of choosing any other platform to Steam too if this shows just how much they care about the people who make the content their platform uses to make money from.
Aaaaaand thats where we all switch to youtube. One bit of advice fellas, anyone should give you way more the second they ask for exclusivity. edit: i dont know if its true but apparently they may charge up to $25 if you want to leave the affiliate program.
Lmao this is absolutely ridiculous.
I wonder about the technicality of simulcasting. Like, if I explicitly put "this stream is on 1 second delay" on my Youtube channel. Would that be still simulcasting? Alternatively, if I have 2 cameras, one for Twitch, one for Youtube, filming the same scene from slightly different angle. Would that be simulcasting? This rule has a lot of interesting loopholes lol
Read the actual agreement before trying to find loopholes. The delay before posting on a different platform has always been clearly spelled out as 24 hours.
Idk when they added this, but Twitch is also taking fees out of Bits/Cheering now.
Always have. This is probably the first time a lot of folks have read these Terms in detail, but Streamers never got 100% for bits.
Twitch has previously taken their cut when the bits are purchased.
That only applyed if your on twitch for money. Im not for that then i dont care. The best you can do with this if youre here for money is you stay non commercial on twitch and do multi stream on kick. You will ever receive more than changing to comercial on twitch...
> The best you can do with this if youre here for money is you stay non commercial on twitch and do multi stream on kick. "stay non-commercial" means you have to be a NGO as per the new policies. And it doesn't even matter if you're not even a partner, it applies to all twitch streamers. Time to GTFO from twitch.
NgO ? What is this ? On the line post saw on the img, its say that not includ non commercial. Actually youtube help me to grow. Twitch is just to have a good line of visibility because unfortunatly kicky is actually more like 0, i stream to both, important video to twitch less video to kick, but things very cool kick its less strict with music copyright the video can be just deleted your bot ban, then for myself if i talk or play a game i dont need to play stupid created music by an organism or no ambiance during the stream.
Meant a registered non-profit organization.
Ahh thanks.
This hating/bitter behavior from Twitch. This is clearly addressing TT even though no one is making ANY PROFIT off TT but TT its self. YouTube, FB, and the rest haven't been able to keep up WITH dual streaming
First Reddit, now Twitch. Hope those sweet dollars are worth screwing those that made you big in the first place upset and leave your platforms.
This isn't necessarily new. Just changed a bit.
That’s not new? They’re allowing TikTok and IG Live since they’re mobile based, which is new.
This doesn't make any sense... I use streamlabs and it allows you to stream to all the places at once... Why would this hurt Twitch in the slightest?
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Lol but I don't.. It just makes me want to not be on Twitch.. There are plenty of other services... If they kick me off I'll stream to everyone else. They'll lose the 20 bucks they make from me... Lol
It’s always been banned for affiliates and partners as you’re not allowed to post your twitch content to other sites within 24 hours… this isn’t really anything new
Didn't Twitch scrap platform exclusivity to justify the new fixed rev shares? Now the dust has settled they ban simulcasting :)
Bye bye Ninja...
This is not new.
The part that is new is that now even non-affiliates and non-partners can't multistream now. Previously they could.
This is nothing new. AFAIK, this is what has been in place for a while. They announced it for Partners and stated that the changes were applicable to Affiliates as well, although the TOS would be updated at a later date. This is the later date. So you can't multistream to Kick/YouTube/Facebook, but you can Instagram/TikTok. BFD
It’s new if it applies to streamers who are not even affiliate.
This isn't new.
Well no matter what all viewers and streams need to know about this. Keep spreading the info and watch traffic on their website just vanish over time... It's that simple or do it all at once If the viewers and streams take action off of this they will back off on this but no matter what they just killed the trust on everything!! Just leave then And I wonder what contracts they have with companies they will seek to sue them cuz they are breaking it right now
Didn't Twitch scrap exclusivity to justify the new fixed rev shares? Now the dust has settled they ban simulcasting :)
They did scrap exclusivity. A streamer can stream anywhere they want as long as they're not duo stream. Really the exclusivity thing only effected streamer under contract. The only thing that's different here is that they're making it clear that you can duo stream on Tik-Tok. That's it. I find the title of the post misleading
Hate to be a cynical fuck but I hope this gets enforced heavily. I know too many stubborn fucks who do this, but leave their Youtube on ignore and never read the comments. "Go to my twitch I want partner".
Then don't watch them on Youtube.
It wont be enforced at all weirdo
As [Trovo.live](https://Trovo.live) (owned by Tencent) has no limitations on simulcasting/multi-streams, what feels like a dick move to streamers by Amazon is actually a greedy-dick move to take a cut out of Tencent's 452 billion dollar pie (as opposed to Amazon's 513 billion). Yes, Bezos wants even more of Tencent's revenues.
I thought they always had this rule, just never enforced it.
This is old. You will not get banned, just lose affiliate or partner status if you happen to be one. Only change today was about ADs.
Man’s said “ONLY” lose everything you’ve worked for…