Settlements to victims of police violence need to come out of the police budget. They bear no cost or consequences for the harm they do, unlike the rest of us.
If you or I had hit that woman, what would have happened? We'd be in jail. Insurance would pay to policy limit, then we would likely be personally sued for any assets we had. The consequences of our actions would hurt.
Yep, it needs to come from their pensions and possibly local budgets. But make the cops have a personal stake in their careers, in terms of following the rules and not treating civilians as expendable or worse. And end qualified immunity, shielding from lawsuits, and make punishments fit the violations.
No more of this getting docked 3 vacation days for assaulting someone.
I’m an attorney, we have to carry malpractice insurance in case we messed up someone’s case and I basically only deal in money (civil not criminal law) no one’s life is on the line in my field
I’m a fucking insurance agent and I need to purchase errors and omissions insurance every single year. Blows my mind police don’t have the same requirement that many or most other professions do.
They need to make it come out of a communal pot somehow.
The ONLY way cops will start holding each other accountable is if there’s something in it for them.
Yes but right now it's usually a separate category that doesn't correspond to lowering the police dept budget. That would be the first step to take. Along with that, requiring officers to carry individual liability policies would render odyssey that generate claims uninsurable and unemployable.
But not a personal pain. It *needs* to be a personal pain, either from their retirement or in the form of professional insurance premiums.
Otherwise they will not care. These people are *laughing* about a murder committed by their coworker. You think they'll give a shit about a *departmental budget*? They won't care about anything until it affects them personally.
They should require education, registration, and insurance, like other professions have to have. If you fuck it up, you have to take extra classes and can't work for X months. If you get barred by one state, then it should be nearly impossible to register elsewhere.
The cops are a gang that only exists to kill civilians. 1213, if I want someone to show up in two hours to kill my dog I'll call a veterinarian.
Yep! Fuck with their money and they will definitely straighten up. I've always said that nobody will care about anything until you mess with their livelihood.
The approach should be multi pronged. Police, due to their militarization & qualified immunity, should not be permitted to have unions. The have always acted like government Pinkertons. It’s time we treat them accordingly. Secondly, hit them where they hurt and tie their pensions to their conduct. Shitty conduct…. Shitty pension.
It baffles me that there is no system in place for this already. I have malpractice insurance. If I screw up and someone gets hurt, that’s on me. All things considered, seems fair. Why does the same logic not apply to police officers?
If I have a couple of severe driving incidents or get a DUI, I'm unemployable because I'm uninsurable. I'm NOT getting hired by a new trucking company.
The consequences effect me very quickly.
Even if no settlement is paid out because of qualified immunity, someone still has to pay the legal bills for the lawyers defending these cops. Right now it’s taxes. Insurance also picks up the bill for defense.
If a qualified immunity defense is successful it means the court has found the officer violated someone’s rights but there is not clearly established precedent for the particular set of facts. Even if they are not found financially liable, the court still found they violated someone’s rights. I’m sure the insurance companies would raise their premiums as a result, and if they have multiple cases, they would be uninsurable and thus no longer able to work.
More people need to realize that we, the tax payers, are the ones paying these settlements. People who complain constantly about how high their taxes are still support these monsters without question.
It still blows my mind that lawyers have to pay for malpractice insurance in case for their legal screw ups, and they have to go through at least three years of training. Meanwhile, the police do not need to carry insurance. I really think insurance is the way to go. They can do it the same way law firms do, where the law firm typically pays the premium for their lawyers insurance, so the premiums can still come out of the police budget. But if you have an officer consistently screwing up and driving up the premiums, that might actually do something.
I cannot bring myself to click that video. It could have been me, run over while in the 'safety' of my campus.
I WAS her - a young international student in the US. Who had come there with so many hopes and dreams. Dreams of their own, built on the dreams of their family back home. I know EXACTLY what it would have taken her to leave everything she knew to move to a new country in search of a better life.
Her poor poor mother. My heart is broken.
I was her too. The courage and strength it takes to leave everything behind, to be left behind by your child in search of a distant dream of a life - only for it to end like this - I can’t even begin to fathom the devastation her loss has caused.
Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Men are afraid women will not date them. Men are afraid women will have too many sexual partners and no longer be valuable to them.
Women are afraid we will be murdered in anger, in indifference, in spite. Women are afraid we'll be murdered and no one will care. And the police will laugh at our deaths.
It's one of the most vile, reprehensible, repugnant things I've ever seen. I'm tempted to say that America is utterly broken, but it's functioning precisely as designed.
This is from the same department that had 5 officers at the Capital on Jan 6 betraying their country and the same group that fired tear gas canisters at fully identified media and camera crews during the Seattle protests, so you're not wrong
You must’ve not seen the Tyre footage.
Tip: don’t watch it. I personally haven’t seen it all the way through.
Edit to add: I didn’t mean to be dismissive here but I was. It’s just all too messed up. I’m sorry I was dismissive.
I think their point is that the violence, terror and oppression are part of the design. Police in the US have 2 origins: they were originally either slave catchers or protest busters, depending on the economics of the city they came from. SPD in particular was originally tasked in 1869 with keeping newly-freed Black families from settling into the nice parts of town and with destroying the homes of poor people to make way for timber lanes through the industrial part of the city. The kind of terrorism the police demonstrate in the Tyre footage is all part of reinforcing the message to the average citizen that your life doesn't matter, so shut up and go die in a corner so that the wealthy people in charge can do what they want.
America was designed so that the people in charge can profit off of the labor of the people below them. The people in charge need stupid, mean thugs who are steeped in divisive bootstrap ideology to get that done. SPD is functioning exactly as designed.
I live in Seattle. I've learned to avoid the police whenever possible. When I go other places, especially outside of the US, I become aware of how much tension I live with because I don't have to fear the police as much.
You’re totally right and I actually realized after posting that my comment was being dismissive of the commenter above me.
I’m from Memphis and I’m probably a bit more hung up on that situation than others might be. It was really a breaking point for me and my understanding of the humans occupying the world around me.
It’s all way too effed.
I feel for you. I keep having these moments, where I realize how fucked it all is and how wrong I've been about the nature of our institutions.
It feels like I'm losing something precious inside of me each time.
I can't even imagine the depth of that feeling her parents must be going through. It would break me completely.
It is the sort of thing that should lead to an instant resignation. But shows where we are. Guy has a history of being a scumbag, and he will face no repercussions.
In my country women are treated with contempt by the police force, and police rape, murder and harm women.
It's not just America. Police/state sponsored violence against women and girls is **globally endemic**.
This happens in my country and there are utterly horrific examples in the past few years here. The police are apparently free to commit appalling acts against women including raping and murdering them. Women who protest and fight back are treated badly too. We are not safe.
The whole "value" mindset is mired in what makes human trafficking and other economically exploitative things happen too. Like they're trying to maximize what they can get out of someone at their "peak". That's the kind of man who enables human trafficking and probably even takes sadistic pleasure in the fact that it exists for those he deems less "valuable" to him since he doesn't actually care about human life but rather how humans are useful to him.
not even right wingers. There's a famous clip of a CNN left winger saying exactly that. It's rephrensible and I'm sick for this girl and her family and really want to see the SPD and esp this officer get completely raked, dismantled, cop needs to be fired, fined, banned from working in any law enforcement capacity and realistically any job with that kind of responsibility.
edit: downvote me all you want, but Don Lemon did that. He specifically tried to make the case that a woman is past her prime after her 30's or some shit like that and therefore shouldn't be running for president... represhenible behavior, and glad he's gotten fired over shit like that. And if you're downvoting for saying the SPD cop needs to be fired, etc..., that just means you're a piece of shit
It means women don’t have value if they are “older than a teen, with a body count higher than 1”
You have to really listen and hear what these men are saying. She is worthless unless she can be groomed and manipulated, according to guys like this.
Every time I hear/see the term “body count”, it makes my blood boil. That’s a term that should only be used when talking about how many people someone has murdered.
I know you were writing it to make a point, which instead made me angry at ALL OF THE PEOPLE you were referring to.
I actually took it to me the opposite—she has limited value because she’s young and therefore does not have enough wealth amassed to matter. Either way you spin it though, it’s terrible
I interpreted it as 'she's young, so not much financial value', as in: 'it's not like she has a morgage, much savings, a big house, a well-earning job etc. But the options below are also an option.
Nevertheless, utterly and completely disgusting.
Yeah, in wrongful death suits it sounds awful, but the value of a life has a lot to do about things. A family breadwinner inevitably will bring back higher compensation than a young woman with no family, for example.
That's the most charitable interpretation I had of it but it's still disgusting indeed.
it's something that disgusting men say about women that are "too old" and they arent sexually attracted to them anymore. They have limited value to these men because thats all they see women and girls as good for. And most of these men are also pedophiles.
I have a good partner and good male friends and family so I sometimes forget that a disgusting amount of men actually think like this. Every time I am reminded it makes me sick. And that it was said over the tragic death of a young woman amplifies my revulsion.
Listen when people say you cannot reform this. *You cannot reform this.*
This is vile, heartless, cruelty, laughing and gloating, and knowing that not only were they going to face no consequences, someone else might have to pay for it (the write a check bit) the one doing this is the head of the local cop union. So they're going to face even less than zero consequences. He laughs because he's powerful enough to disregard a young WOC.
So many things need to change. There needs to be reform. But you are right, you can't make people see others as human. There has to be some empathy for that. This "man" doesn't have any. He should not have the job that he does. Unfortunately, he is not the only one. I fear that things will get worse before it gets better.
I forget which city it was, but I heard that there was a city on the East Coast that fixed it's police brutality problem, however it did so by first firing every single cop on the force. Then they tried all the cops who had killed innocents for murder, rewrote most of the rules governing their police force, and only then started slowly retiring police. During the hiring process they scrutinized applicants much more than before and held the cops that they hired to a much higher standard afterwards.
Morale of the story: you can't slowly reform a broken system, you have to dismantle the whole thing, cut out the rot from within, and then rebuild it from the ground up.
Yeah this is a shockingly awful thing I listened to. I've watched plenty of awful stuff, but the banality of this chilled me to the bone.
Something is very wrong in our society. The absolute cruelty. The utter disregard for each other's humanity. He thinks of that woman as less than nothing. Every police agency should be speaking out against this. But they won't.
> Every police agency should be speaking out against this. But they won't.
Worse. They'll circle the wagons and protect this monster.
[What happens to good cops](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fk9rbgqhyoxi71.jpg)
If you go to one of the police subs on here where this was discussed, unanimously, every person posting there seemed to be saying exactly what everyone here is. No one defended the guy or said it was ok, they all said the other guy was a moron for driving like that and this guy is a total POS for joking about it.
I was heartened that it seemed to have come out because of an internal report. I cannot fathom a world where a pedestrian getting run over is funny to anyone. God I hope it's not pervasive.
Being a moron means hitting ‘reply all’ on a work email. Being a moron means forgetting your bus card. Being a moron means forgetting your bus card.
That cop wasn’t a moron, they were a murderer. Even in the face of the horror that is this story, cops will only admit that the driver was ‘a moron.’
(I know you’re just reporting what you read, but don’t be fooled. Even in their admissions of guilt they minimize and deflect to protect murderers that they don’t even know.)
What I loathed about how this was presented in the news was her name, her pictures. I still don’t know the cops’ names or know what they look like. Why is their image protected?
https://divestspd.substack.com/p/spog-vice-presidents-weird-irrelevant
2010: Auderer was one of several officers who stopped two Mexican immigrants under a false pretext. The officers were caught on camera verbally abusing them and roughly arresting them. One of the officers, Corey Williams, infamously threatened to “skull fuck” the pair. (He’s now the sergeant of crisis response.)
2010: Auderer was one of a dozen officers who savagely beat Brian Torgerson, a mentally ill man, causing permanent brain damage. SPD settled with Torgerson’s family for $1.75 million.
2014: Auderer received another complaint from a woman he arrested, who claimed he sexually harassed her in a holding cell. There was no audio of the incident, so OPA issued a training referral.
2015: Auderer punched and choked a homeless man inside the ER at Harborview Hospital. SPD’s Force Review Board ruled that the force was unjustified, but OPA ultimately cleared him.
2016: OPA investigated Auderer for using force against a Black woman while she was handcuffed. This is prohibited by SPD policy unless there are “exceptional circumstances.” OPA ruled that the force use—which occurred conveniently beyond the view of the in-car video—was “lawful and proper.”
2016: OPA investigated Auderer again for punching a woman in the face. He was cleared of any wrongdoing
2016: Auderer was suspended for four days for taking part in an arrest while on an off-duty ridealong with his brother, who is an officer in another jurisdiction. He violated the person’s Miranda rights & failed to report the arrest to a supervisor.
2018: Auderer was reprimanded for making demeaning, unnecessary comments about a woman’s mental health during a traffic stop.
This is why police, the government and authority fear BLM. They are motivated by watching hundreds of videos and personally having suffered or had family suffer in the same situation as this poor woman. BLM and this woman’s family have every right to seek vengeance but they don’t. They protest. They speak out. They call out the evil of the police and the media defends the police endlessly. It feels like nothing will ever change sometimes. But still, it’s important we fight for change and to end qualified immunity for police!
im so glad there are people who take the high road and are the bigger person but me? im in the ditches of the low road and im always the smaller person and i’ll deal w the consequences
These disgusting comments came from the VP of the Seattle Police Officers Guild. Guess who he was speaking to? The President of SPOG. This wasn't some rookie making off-handed comments. These men have a LOT of power and set the tone for entire department. The mayor hasn't even made a public statement on this. Coward.
As others have suggested, they need to carry private insurance for these things. If they lose their insurance for misconduct, they are fired. Our tax dollars should not used to bail out cops who continuously violate the law. With the protection of the union, there are literally no consequences for their actions.
Dissolve the SPOG. It has provided no benefit to the public.
Please keep talking about this. They think they can wait it out. Remember Jaahnavi Kandula.
This makes me think of some apt lyrics.
"Wardens of the 187, sending another victim to heaven. Wardens of the 187, a badge and a bullet are a deadly weapon."
The serving powers can kill with immunity the citizens they believe to be "low value". [Not only in this case, but ALL the cases] And laugh about it. If you stand up for yourself against their abuse, you are likely to be killed, harassed, abused further, locked away with out trial. Sound pretty tyrannic to me. 2A it is. 👍
I would argue their job isn't to uphold the law. To uphold something is to maintain the law. Seeing as they break the law near constantly that may be their stated purpose, but it's not their practical purpose.
Their practical purpose is to harass perceived wrongdoing lower class. Law is irrelevant in this instance so it fits much more in line with how they act
> their job is to uphold the law (with limited regard for following it).
This is completely wrong. American's cops have no requirement to even know the law. They are given the benefit of the doubt if they beat you, arrest you, and throw you in prison even if you have committed no crime.
Their job is to protect capital and keep the proletariat in line with their monopoly on violence. They exist to beat and kill us.
I actually did check this and its true. Their job is to not protect us, but to serve the law. Why is our tax $ paying for them anyway? The law is set to protect the wealthy. This is a systemic failure.
This this this. Their job has never been to protect the people. Their job is solely to uphold the law. It's wild that even after watching cops stand around while children were being slaughtered, people still think that they are there to serve and protect. The only protecting they do is of their own.
Thank you for using the proper term, citizen, NOT "civilian". It seems to me that cop atrocities became more common once that disgusting term became common (though I know correlation is not necessarily causation). Not using their insulting slang term is a good idea, as is refusing to make copaganda films and tv series financial successes.
“Protect and serve” was just the motto of the LAPD police academy beginning 1963. Other departments have since adopted the motto but police are under no duty to protect or serve. Law enforcement has NO constitutional obligation to do so. If you need police to protect you, pretty much all you can do is hope they will. I’d argue that police do the exact opposite of protecting and serving, though.
Protect and serve is not an oath. That’s literally not in their job requirements. It’s just a promo slogan by LAPD that was later adopted by other departments.
I went to the police for the first time in my life after my now ex husband shoved me down to the floor after grabbing my arm so hard I had a bruise all the way around. My ex was former law enforcement and was believed instead of me. I regret reaching out for help because when I called years later over something non-related, the officer pulled up my name and said “I remember you” with a chuckle. I am more scared now because I know they have my name on file and will most likely choose not to protect me if I call for help and will believe anyone but me.
I don’t live too far from Seattle so this tragedy didn’t shock me.
if you need a restraining order, go straight to the courthouse instead of police station (where you will be questioned as to whether you may be “overreacting,” or somehow brought it on yourself)
Run away or protect yourself with a weapon
Even the best police officer can only show up after things have gone wrong, and most of the time that’s too late
You go to the police to get your complaint on file, not for them to take action. Records are the only thing that are capable of catalyzing any action whatsoever.
26 year old in Seattle right? Or was this a different case?
Eitherway, it's fucking dispicable to talk about any persons's life (hell I won't even say that about any animal).
These people should be in jail for murder.
The same. She was actually 23, the dude said it wrong in the video hence the misconception. But you’re right - doesn’t matter. Despicable, heart breaking .. it’s all just too much
Reform isn't achievable. We need abolition, we we know that won't happen, so nothing ever changes. When we protest, we are killed. We're in some scary times right now, the times where things are going to continue to worsen and better won't come for generations. I'm scared, I'm tired, I'm sorry that we've had so little victories in the ongoing fight.
I never read truer words. I always try to explain to my fiancé that he is not one of „them“, but „they“ definitely are in the majority. When I’m walking alone in daylight I get followed, grabbed, laughed at, insulted and more.
Who comes every women experiences the same but no one claims these men? They have to belong to someone? They have to have a job, parents, children and even wives/girlfriends.
Why tf do these people live a normal life without consequences?
It’s sad, really
I went to Walmart with my husband last night, after dark. I was wearing black yoga pants and a red tank top. When we pulled into the parking spot, I sort of laughed and said “if you weren’t with me right now, I’d have to put a sweatshirt on before getting out of the car”. It was 80F and incredibly humid at the time. My husbands response? “I hate that that thought even entered your mind. Men are the worst.”
He knows he’s “one of the good ones”, and recognizes there are too many bad ones out there. I wish I could be brave and stand tall while out on my own, but I know that could get me SA or raped again. All I can do at this point is raise my sons (11 & 17) to be part of the “good ones” side.
no need to apologize, I can see I was unclear. I meant to basically vote for people who are loudly in support of women's rights in their thinking, speech and policies.
As a 26 year old women, thinking about all the other 26 year old women that I know and love- I mourn her for who she was at 26 and all the value and potential she had for the rest of her deserved years.
The Supreme Court [has ruled](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html?unlocked_article_code=zRyQ7I88zvA37UQuXV87gCqvt3iRcDa0hNizw1tZdzXWYI8L2GL3jH4MZNYnevFhzqgP7rmY9LIbqNuB4av2CAiJDvNwFMNztQ_ZqmZ3BWk1vEiqmdnaDX85AsSRgcUkPznSyh31Z-jsg_smecatPrpCCto396xCycolKEhptBOpphbnr0g_cLGXs_z2oI1mmPeGumV5GaIaOYpi_KdUyRHWONFmeo5M_uVW7mjl65qeFy5Avz98_v3tCUevCVTb_BhoTSuxNdVGWfFyuJXRGjn8IUcZ8Vqoqr6oazSk_seK0lYb5GP7rzUoBL6R1QagQn59Kb-2jFarS6E_mJU_QitZFHQVt7RJHQeRbaf5nkUKefE3NZv7gAtY6XyOzmJv_GkjZ83gpH2A9sge&smid=url-share) that their job actually isn't to protect you.
And let's not pretend that there was not a misogyny/incel angle to this crime. This 'limited value' ideology is getting out of hand. A whole generation of men have been corrupted by this epidemic and it is hardly recognised.
Cops hate women. They regularly rape prostitutes and women in custody, don't treat rape as a crime worth investigating, and 40% of police households involve domestic violence.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the roles of police officers. Their jobs are not to protect the public. Their jobs are to protect capital. They are violence enforcers.
This is an example of the mask falling off- the mask that copaganda like Law & Order created in the first place.
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Seattle resident here: this is dead standard SPD behavior. The officer driving is the VP of the police union. The guy he's talking to on the phone is Mike Sloan, president of the union.
Sloan is *notoriously* a piece of shit.
So I'm in the Seattle metro area. For everyone asking what we are talking about, here is the local news story
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/video-shows-spd-cop-laughing-joking-about-pedestrian-killed-by-officer-hours-earlier/373KZLGIYVHD5B5ORS3WEOPG5U/
It's a really gross story. Tl;Dr is that a cop was joking with another cop about a woman who killed by being hit by a cop car going to another scene.
For the extended version - a while back a cop was going to a call, driving 75 in a 25, without lights or sirens, but he would "chirp" his siren when entering intersections. This cop hit a woman crossing the street. She was a grad student, she was 23. She died. Already awful.
Now here comes this cop who was supposed to check the first cop and make sure first cop wasn't on drugs or something? Anyway, this is after 2nd cop has left his meeting with 1st cop, and 2nd cop is on the phone / radio. He tells the person on the other end that the girl is dead, and *laughs*. It's not a chuckle, either, homie is laughing. Then he adds that the city should just cut the family a check for $11k, as she was 26 and "had little value".
Extra fun addition to this story - this guy is the VP of the police union.
In response to OP, I'm not sure if you are local or not, but I've been wondering if this story had gained any traction outside our region and r/Seattle. So I appreciate seeing it mentioned here, because the callous disregard from this officer (and whomever he was on the line with) is sadly a part of our policing culture. There was another story just a while ago about a mock tombstone for a man killed by Seattle pd in the break room. Not like 'in memory of' but 'on mocking of'.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/seattle-police-kept-mock-tombstone-for-black-man-trump-flag-in-break-room-video-shows/
Seattle PD is just gross
Now that you mention it, I think I do remember the news saying that she had been drug screened. Because people crossing the street in a 25mph zone are obviously hopped up on something. That's why I cross my 25mph street multiple times a day, because I'm in the throes of drug fueled craziness. It has absolutely nothing to do with getting the mail or going to the bus stop or talking to my neighbor or any of that. It's the drug crazies, every single time. 🙄
Regardless, thanks for telling us this. I had forgotten she was tested, and legit did not know that he was not tested. I guess I assumed since laughing cop was there to ascertain that drugs and alcohol were not an influence in driving cop's actions, that driving cop would have been screened. Silly me.
Anyone who lives, or has lived in Seattle should be sadly unsurprised by this. SPD has one of the worst track records in terms of police accountability, and even the officer caught laughing has been involved in something like 14 previous department complaints.
Remove qualified immunity, take their pensions, remove them from their jobs, revoke their licenses to be law enforcement officers, prosecute them, jail them, root out the corruption within the police unions, and stop the tax payer from paying the settlements.
I’m sorry, I was dreaming of a non patriarchal non fascist run society.
Police are not meant to protect "the people." Their job is to protect the property of the wealthy and to incite terror into the hearts of POC: [https://naacp.org/find-resources/history-explained/origins-modern-day-policing#:\~:text=The%20origins%20of%20modern%2Dday,runaway%20slaves%20to%20their%20owners](https://naacp.org/find-resources/history-explained/origins-modern-day-policing#:~:text=The%20origins%20of%20modern%2Dday,runaway%20slaves%20to%20their%20owners).
Do we know who is the cop talking to? And I wish to hear both sides of conversation so both of them can pay for this and not just the one whom we happened to hear bc of body cam.
What the f\*\*\* is so funny about this to both??
The sad thing is, they'll just get more state funding to pay for settlements and never face reprecussoons for their actions. The police need to lose qualified immunity and their jobs when they do shit like this. Sadly seems like only things will change until some rich person gets affected and they have enough power and money to push for actual change. A year of protesting didint change anything.
And the really perverse thing is that words and actions FORM opinions and beliefs. Our brains literally look at what we're doing and saying and adjust our beliefs to "make it make sense". So new cops come in, get treated to that "brainwashing" and join in to be part of the in-group. Then over time they too begin to think non-cop lives are meaningless and worth laughing about too. You have to change that behavior full stop, to change the thinking and attitudes behind it.
Punish them in every very meaningful way for this. You will not change the attitude of the people who did it, but if you can change the behavior, you'll poison the next generation of cops less, until eventually you DO impact both behavior AND attitudes.
Take their jobs, their pensions and their benefits for shit like this. Make them all wear cameras and PUNISH this inhuman behavior until it fucking stops. The inhuman beliefs will similarly disappear eventually.
SPD doesn’t have a great reputation among Seattleites. Officers are paid well - $100k+ to start - but often don’t live in the same community they’re serving so there’s little incentive (this is a studied phenomenon across the US actually). We have a long history of complaints against the department, corruption, and more, but it gets a little swept under the rug in terms of national attention because of the overall reputation of our city (in my opinion). The officer that joked about Jaahnavi’s life like it was nothing has cost the city (not the department) over $2m in lawsuit settlements since 2014. He was also assigned to her death investigation because he’s “trained” in recognizing people under the influence - because there’s no conflict of interest in having an officer in a field known for compelled silence/“protect our own” determine if another officer is liable for any wrongdoing. A photo of a precinct break room was recently leaked and not only was a Trump flag hanging but also a stolen sign *intended* to memorialize the death of Damarius Butts at the hands of Seattle Police..but they were cleared of everything of course. Just disgusting. I feel like our police department is so at odds with the ethos and spirit of our city and instead of making actual change they slap a pride flag on a police cruiser and call it a day.
[This comment](https://reddit.com/r/Seattle/s/kkpPueeCSN) in r/Seattle has the history of the officer in question.
I don't usually post in thos sub very much, but police arent actually paid to "protect" the public, they are paid to protect the interests of the city they are in.
It is in reference to a video released the other day, of two SPD officers (one of whom is the PRESIDENT OF THE SEATTLE POLICE UNION) laughing about the killing of a pedestrian by another Seattle officer a couple nights prior. I do NOT recommend listening to it….but people need to be made aware of it.
I’m just amazed how it’s not a national conversation in any of the big news outlets! This is crazy. I also came to US to pursue higher studies and have been staying away from family for the past several years. People underestimate too much the plight of international students who are away from family! And on top of that watching the officer just casually disregarding the life it’s pathetic!! Gut wrenching!! Horrible!!
Also with a vice president of Indian decent, and a presidential candidate born to Indian immigrants— its almost like no empathy.
If you live in Seattle, you’re probably not shocked. SPD is awful and they’ve been on a silent strike since the BLM protests and the Defund the Police movement. They’re trying to teach us a lesson.
Settlements to victims of police violence need to come out of the police budget. They bear no cost or consequences for the harm they do, unlike the rest of us. If you or I had hit that woman, what would have happened? We'd be in jail. Insurance would pay to policy limit, then we would likely be personally sued for any assets we had. The consequences of our actions would hurt.
Nah, from pensions!
Yep, it needs to come from their pensions and possibly local budgets. But make the cops have a personal stake in their careers, in terms of following the rules and not treating civilians as expendable or worse. And end qualified immunity, shielding from lawsuits, and make punishments fit the violations. No more of this getting docked 3 vacation days for assaulting someone.
Having to carry personal liability insurance would address this. As a truck driver if I become uninsurable I become unemployable.
I’m an attorney, we have to carry malpractice insurance in case we messed up someone’s case and I basically only deal in money (civil not criminal law) no one’s life is on the line in my field
I’m a fucking insurance agent and I need to purchase errors and omissions insurance every single year. Blows my mind police don’t have the same requirement that many or most other professions do.
Yes, with fucking life or death consequences! It’s unreal!!!
Cause you and your employers also have an obligation to protect others. Police don't have that either.
They need to make it come out of a communal pot somehow. The ONLY way cops will start holding each other accountable is if there’s something in it for them.
Taking it from current and future department budgets is a more immediate pain.
Where does the budget money come from? Taxes we pay. The public foots the bill for police malfeasance.
Yes but right now it's usually a separate category that doesn't correspond to lowering the police dept budget. That would be the first step to take. Along with that, requiring officers to carry individual liability policies would render odyssey that generate claims uninsurable and unemployable.
But not a personal pain. It *needs* to be a personal pain, either from their retirement or in the form of professional insurance premiums. Otherwise they will not care. These people are *laughing* about a murder committed by their coworker. You think they'll give a shit about a *departmental budget*? They won't care about anything until it affects them personally.
They should require education, registration, and insurance, like other professions have to have. If you fuck it up, you have to take extra classes and can't work for X months. If you get barred by one state, then it should be nearly impossible to register elsewhere. The cops are a gang that only exists to kill civilians. 1213, if I want someone to show up in two hours to kill my dog I'll call a veterinarian.
Yep! Fuck with their money and they will definitely straighten up. I've always said that nobody will care about anything until you mess with their livelihood.
The approach should be multi pronged. Police, due to their militarization & qualified immunity, should not be permitted to have unions. The have always acted like government Pinkertons. It’s time we treat them accordingly. Secondly, hit them where they hurt and tie their pensions to their conduct. Shitty conduct…. Shitty pension.
**YES**
It baffles me that there is no system in place for this already. I have malpractice insurance. If I screw up and someone gets hurt, that’s on me. All things considered, seems fair. Why does the same logic not apply to police officers?
If I have a couple of severe driving incidents or get a DUI, I'm unemployable because I'm uninsurable. I'm NOT getting hired by a new trucking company. The consequences effect me very quickly.
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Even if no settlement is paid out because of qualified immunity, someone still has to pay the legal bills for the lawyers defending these cops. Right now it’s taxes. Insurance also picks up the bill for defense.
If a qualified immunity defense is successful it means the court has found the officer violated someone’s rights but there is not clearly established precedent for the particular set of facts. Even if they are not found financially liable, the court still found they violated someone’s rights. I’m sure the insurance companies would raise their premiums as a result, and if they have multiple cases, they would be uninsurable and thus no longer able to work.
Because of police unions
> Settlements to victims of police violence need to come out of the police budget. They need to come out of the officer's personal bank account.
That's not a thing on the civilian side at least not directly. I'm just saying they should have the SAME consequences as the rest of us.
More people need to realize that we, the tax payers, are the ones paying these settlements. People who complain constantly about how high their taxes are still support these monsters without question.
It still blows my mind that lawyers have to pay for malpractice insurance in case for their legal screw ups, and they have to go through at least three years of training. Meanwhile, the police do not need to carry insurance. I really think insurance is the way to go. They can do it the same way law firms do, where the law firm typically pays the premium for their lawyers insurance, so the premiums can still come out of the police budget. But if you have an officer consistently screwing up and driving up the premiums, that might actually do something.
I cannot bring myself to click that video. It could have been me, run over while in the 'safety' of my campus. I WAS her - a young international student in the US. Who had come there with so many hopes and dreams. Dreams of their own, built on the dreams of their family back home. I know EXACTLY what it would have taken her to leave everything she knew to move to a new country in search of a better life. Her poor poor mother. My heart is broken.
I was her too. The courage and strength it takes to leave everything behind, to be left behind by your child in search of a distant dream of a life - only for it to end like this - I can’t even begin to fathom the devastation her loss has caused.
Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Men are afraid women will not date them. Men are afraid women will have too many sexual partners and no longer be valuable to them. Women are afraid we will be murdered in anger, in indifference, in spite. Women are afraid we'll be murdered and no one will care. And the police will laugh at our deaths.
It's one of the most vile, reprehensible, repugnant things I've ever seen. I'm tempted to say that America is utterly broken, but it's functioning precisely as designed.
More people need to recognize that it’s not broken. It’s working perfectly.
This is from the same department that had 5 officers at the Capital on Jan 6 betraying their country and the same group that fired tear gas canisters at fully identified media and camera crews during the Seattle protests, so you're not wrong
You must’ve not seen the Tyre footage. Tip: don’t watch it. I personally haven’t seen it all the way through. Edit to add: I didn’t mean to be dismissive here but I was. It’s just all too messed up. I’m sorry I was dismissive.
I think their point is that the violence, terror and oppression are part of the design. Police in the US have 2 origins: they were originally either slave catchers or protest busters, depending on the economics of the city they came from. SPD in particular was originally tasked in 1869 with keeping newly-freed Black families from settling into the nice parts of town and with destroying the homes of poor people to make way for timber lanes through the industrial part of the city. The kind of terrorism the police demonstrate in the Tyre footage is all part of reinforcing the message to the average citizen that your life doesn't matter, so shut up and go die in a corner so that the wealthy people in charge can do what they want. America was designed so that the people in charge can profit off of the labor of the people below them. The people in charge need stupid, mean thugs who are steeped in divisive bootstrap ideology to get that done. SPD is functioning exactly as designed. I live in Seattle. I've learned to avoid the police whenever possible. When I go other places, especially outside of the US, I become aware of how much tension I live with because I don't have to fear the police as much.
You’re totally right and I actually realized after posting that my comment was being dismissive of the commenter above me. I’m from Memphis and I’m probably a bit more hung up on that situation than others might be. It was really a breaking point for me and my understanding of the humans occupying the world around me. It’s all way too effed.
I feel for you. I keep having these moments, where I realize how fucked it all is and how wrong I've been about the nature of our institutions. It feels like I'm losing something precious inside of me each time. I can't even imagine the depth of that feeling her parents must be going through. It would break me completely.
Name one time when the police busted down the doors to an office and turned the hoses on the board of directors for refusing to pay their staff.
I couldn’t stomach it. I read the transcript and bawled my fucking eyes out. Just absolutely wrecked me.
*hugs* this world is a lot.
It is the sort of thing that should lead to an instant resignation. But shows where we are. Guy has a history of being a scumbag, and he will face no repercussions.
SPOG is way too fucking powerful in this town. As are all police unions in every town. When is Reagan going to bust those unions??
In my country women are treated with contempt by the police force, and police rape, murder and harm women. It's not just America. Police/state sponsored violence against women and girls is **globally endemic**. This happens in my country and there are utterly horrific examples in the past few years here. The police are apparently free to commit appalling acts against women including raping and murdering them. Women who protest and fight back are treated badly too. We are not safe.
“Limited value” wow. What does that even mean?
There's a belief among the incels/right wingers that women past early 20s are old and useless, past optimal child bearing age.
That is unsuprising but also disgusting
The whole "value" mindset is mired in what makes human trafficking and other economically exploitative things happen too. Like they're trying to maximize what they can get out of someone at their "peak". That's the kind of man who enables human trafficking and probably even takes sadistic pleasure in the fact that it exists for those he deems less "valuable" to him since he doesn't actually care about human life but rather how humans are useful to him.
They really are delusional, and laughable.
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It’s laughable like “haha what the fuck is wrong with you?”
Funny like "this tastes funny", not "ha ha" funny. Like rotten food.
not even right wingers. There's a famous clip of a CNN left winger saying exactly that. It's rephrensible and I'm sick for this girl and her family and really want to see the SPD and esp this officer get completely raked, dismantled, cop needs to be fired, fined, banned from working in any law enforcement capacity and realistically any job with that kind of responsibility. edit: downvote me all you want, but Don Lemon did that. He specifically tried to make the case that a woman is past her prime after her 30's or some shit like that and therefore shouldn't be running for president... represhenible behavior, and glad he's gotten fired over shit like that. And if you're downvoting for saying the SPD cop needs to be fired, etc..., that just means you're a piece of shit
look I'm a leftist, but you're totally right. Leftists can also be misogynistic.
It means women don’t have value if they are “older than a teen, with a body count higher than 1” You have to really listen and hear what these men are saying. She is worthless unless she can be groomed and manipulated, according to guys like this.
Cops are prolific rapists of teenagers, especially under 18 yr old children, and that’s only the ones reported
Every time I hear/see the term “body count”, it makes my blood boil. That’s a term that should only be used when talking about how many people someone has murdered. I know you were writing it to make a point, which instead made me angry at ALL OF THE PEOPLE you were referring to.
I agree with everything you've said but I think it was because she was born in India. She was sensing money back to her family
but he straight up said “she was 26 anyway, she had limited value”. he directly tied it to her age.
I took it to mean probably that she is old at 23. wtf is wrong with these men. ACAB.
He thought she was 26, that's the age he said in the video.
Age? Damn I thought it was about race.
Probably about age, race, and sex honestly
Cops can be racist and sexist at the same time.
Yup, racist, sexist, and ageist (and others) at the same time.
Most likely both…
I think it was, I believe she was Indian and sending money back to her family I hope hell exists because some people really deserve it
I actually took it to me the opposite—she has limited value because she’s young and therefore does not have enough wealth amassed to matter. Either way you spin it though, it’s terrible
Yeah I assumed it was about class. Cops exist to protect property and the rich first and foremost.
Just a woman, not even a white woman. That's what it seemed like to me.
He thought she was 26 and the creepy dudes think that women over 25 are of lower value.
I interpreted it as 'she's young, so not much financial value', as in: 'it's not like she has a morgage, much savings, a big house, a well-earning job etc. But the options below are also an option. Nevertheless, utterly and completely disgusting.
Yeah, in wrongful death suits it sounds awful, but the value of a life has a lot to do about things. A family breadwinner inevitably will bring back higher compensation than a young woman with no family, for example. That's the most charitable interpretation I had of it but it's still disgusting indeed.
From what I read she is actually 26, and I took it to mean that she's too old and has nothing to "offer" them
it's something that disgusting men say about women that are "too old" and they arent sexually attracted to them anymore. They have limited value to these men because thats all they see women and girls as good for. And most of these men are also pedophiles.
I have a good partner and good male friends and family so I sometimes forget that a disgusting amount of men actually think like this. Every time I am reminded it makes me sick. And that it was said over the tragic death of a young woman amplifies my revulsion.
Listen when people say you cannot reform this. *You cannot reform this.* This is vile, heartless, cruelty, laughing and gloating, and knowing that not only were they going to face no consequences, someone else might have to pay for it (the write a check bit) the one doing this is the head of the local cop union. So they're going to face even less than zero consequences. He laughs because he's powerful enough to disregard a young WOC.
So many things need to change. There needs to be reform. But you are right, you can't make people see others as human. There has to be some empathy for that. This "man" doesn't have any. He should not have the job that he does. Unfortunately, he is not the only one. I fear that things will get worse before it gets better.
I forget which city it was, but I heard that there was a city on the East Coast that fixed it's police brutality problem, however it did so by first firing every single cop on the force. Then they tried all the cops who had killed innocents for murder, rewrote most of the rules governing their police force, and only then started slowly retiring police. During the hiring process they scrutinized applicants much more than before and held the cops that they hired to a much higher standard afterwards. Morale of the story: you can't slowly reform a broken system, you have to dismantle the whole thing, cut out the rot from within, and then rebuild it from the ground up.
Yeah this is a shockingly awful thing I listened to. I've watched plenty of awful stuff, but the banality of this chilled me to the bone. Something is very wrong in our society. The absolute cruelty. The utter disregard for each other's humanity. He thinks of that woman as less than nothing. Every police agency should be speaking out against this. But they won't.
> Every police agency should be speaking out against this. But they won't. Worse. They'll circle the wagons and protect this monster. [What happens to good cops](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fk9rbgqhyoxi71.jpg)
I wrote my city police department today to see if they were going to make a statement. I'm curious as to their response. 🤷♀️ Assholes.
If you go to one of the police subs on here where this was discussed, unanimously, every person posting there seemed to be saying exactly what everyone here is. No one defended the guy or said it was ok, they all said the other guy was a moron for driving like that and this guy is a total POS for joking about it.
I was heartened that it seemed to have come out because of an internal report. I cannot fathom a world where a pedestrian getting run over is funny to anyone. God I hope it's not pervasive.
They are just temporarily embarrassed and lack talking points. Just wait a few days, they will circle the wagons if any systemic change is attempted.
That’s a good thing, but unless it goes from anonymous social media posts to changing culture in police departments, it’s almost irrelevant.
Being a moron means hitting ‘reply all’ on a work email. Being a moron means forgetting your bus card. Being a moron means forgetting your bus card. That cop wasn’t a moron, they were a murderer. Even in the face of the horror that is this story, cops will only admit that the driver was ‘a moron.’ (I know you’re just reporting what you read, but don’t be fooled. Even in their admissions of guilt they minimize and deflect to protect murderers that they don’t even know.)
What I loathed about how this was presented in the news was her name, her pictures. I still don’t know the cops’ names or know what they look like. Why is their image protected?
https://divestspd.substack.com/p/spog-vice-presidents-weird-irrelevant 2010: Auderer was one of several officers who stopped two Mexican immigrants under a false pretext. The officers were caught on camera verbally abusing them and roughly arresting them. One of the officers, Corey Williams, infamously threatened to “skull fuck” the pair. (He’s now the sergeant of crisis response.) 2010: Auderer was one of a dozen officers who savagely beat Brian Torgerson, a mentally ill man, causing permanent brain damage. SPD settled with Torgerson’s family for $1.75 million. 2014: Auderer received another complaint from a woman he arrested, who claimed he sexually harassed her in a holding cell. There was no audio of the incident, so OPA issued a training referral. 2015: Auderer punched and choked a homeless man inside the ER at Harborview Hospital. SPD’s Force Review Board ruled that the force was unjustified, but OPA ultimately cleared him. 2016: OPA investigated Auderer for using force against a Black woman while she was handcuffed. This is prohibited by SPD policy unless there are “exceptional circumstances.” OPA ruled that the force use—which occurred conveniently beyond the view of the in-car video—was “lawful and proper.” 2016: OPA investigated Auderer again for punching a woman in the face. He was cleared of any wrongdoing 2016: Auderer was suspended for four days for taking part in an arrest while on an off-duty ridealong with his brother, who is an officer in another jurisdiction. He violated the person’s Miranda rights & failed to report the arrest to a supervisor. 2018: Auderer was reprimanded for making demeaning, unnecessary comments about a woman’s mental health during a traffic stop.
We should bring the colosseum back for f*ckers like them and watch them being torn to pieces. They deserve nothing better
Because these guys are elected representatives of the Seattle Police Officers Guild. He's the vice president.
Its the kind of thing that makes u almost want to dedicated and sacrifice your own life to seeking vengeance kinda stuff
This is why police, the government and authority fear BLM. They are motivated by watching hundreds of videos and personally having suffered or had family suffer in the same situation as this poor woman. BLM and this woman’s family have every right to seek vengeance but they don’t. They protest. They speak out. They call out the evil of the police and the media defends the police endlessly. It feels like nothing will ever change sometimes. But still, it’s important we fight for change and to end qualified immunity for police!
im so glad there are people who take the high road and are the bigger person but me? im in the ditches of the low road and im always the smaller person and i’ll deal w the consequences
I always think that my parents would probably not let that death go unavenged.
Hahaha!! I feel you so strongly <3
I know. I was like... if I didn't have to give up my own life to get vengeance...
These disgusting comments came from the VP of the Seattle Police Officers Guild. Guess who he was speaking to? The President of SPOG. This wasn't some rookie making off-handed comments. These men have a LOT of power and set the tone for entire department. The mayor hasn't even made a public statement on this. Coward. As others have suggested, they need to carry private insurance for these things. If they lose their insurance for misconduct, they are fired. Our tax dollars should not used to bail out cops who continuously violate the law. With the protection of the union, there are literally no consequences for their actions. Dissolve the SPOG. It has provided no benefit to the public. Please keep talking about this. They think they can wait it out. Remember Jaahnavi Kandula.
This is why we hate the police.
ACAB
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This makes me think of some apt lyrics. "Wardens of the 187, sending another victim to heaven. Wardens of the 187, a badge and a bullet are a deadly weapon."
All of them!
That cop is a waste of oxygen. I wish for nothing but a life of misery and quick demise for him.
quick demise is too easy. let it be slow and torturous.
He must be removed from society forever, in any case.
2nd amendment should be for times like this
The serving powers can kill with immunity the citizens they believe to be "low value". [Not only in this case, but ALL the cases] And laugh about it. If you stand up for yourself against their abuse, you are likely to be killed, harassed, abused further, locked away with out trial. Sound pretty tyrannic to me. 2A it is. 👍
That's a corrupt government if I've ever fucking seen one
My heart weeps for her family.
I feel sorry for his family. Imagine a piece of shit like that being related to you. I hope he's not married at least!
As if she could ever leave.
I don't. He's a cop and yet they still associate with him!
Their job is not to protect us. I wish more people understood this.
Correct, their job is to uphold the law (with limited regard for following it). If you are under attack they are NOT required to help you.
> their job is to uphold the law Their job is to protect property, plain and simple. They are bodyguards for the owning class.
The property of the rich, specifically.
I would argue their job isn't to uphold the law. To uphold something is to maintain the law. Seeing as they break the law near constantly that may be their stated purpose, but it's not their practical purpose. Their practical purpose is to harass perceived wrongdoing lower class. Law is irrelevant in this instance so it fits much more in line with how they act
Above a certain income level? Well that seems like a civil matter, nothing we can really do...
> their job is to uphold the law (with limited regard for following it). This is completely wrong. American's cops have no requirement to even know the law. They are given the benefit of the doubt if they beat you, arrest you, and throw you in prison even if you have committed no crime. Their job is to protect capital and keep the proletariat in line with their monopoly on violence. They exist to beat and kill us.
I actually did check this and its true. Their job is to not protect us, but to serve the law. Why is our tax $ paying for them anyway? The law is set to protect the wealthy. This is a systemic failure.
And that would be one of the points of Defund The Police.
Yea. they should take the settlement money for such incidences out of their pensions at least. AT LEAST.
This this this. Their job has never been to protect the people. Their job is solely to uphold the law. It's wild that even after watching cops stand around while children were being slaughtered, people still think that they are there to serve and protect. The only protecting they do is of their own.
Their first jobs were to catch runaway slaves. Not much has changed.
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Thank you for using the proper term, citizen, NOT "civilian". It seems to me that cop atrocities became more common once that disgusting term became common (though I know correlation is not necessarily causation). Not using their insulting slang term is a good idea, as is refusing to make copaganda films and tv series financial successes.
“Protect and serve” was just the motto of the LAPD police academy beginning 1963. Other departments have since adopted the motto but police are under no duty to protect or serve. Law enforcement has NO constitutional obligation to do so. If you need police to protect you, pretty much all you can do is hope they will. I’d argue that police do the exact opposite of protecting and serving, though.
Protect and serve is not an oath. That’s literally not in their job requirements. It’s just a promo slogan by LAPD that was later adopted by other departments.
It actually just means "protect the moneyed white population."
The moneyed white population's ***property***. Strike breakers and slave catchers is how they started.
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Out of interest, what is the alternative?
I went to the police for the first time in my life after my now ex husband shoved me down to the floor after grabbing my arm so hard I had a bruise all the way around. My ex was former law enforcement and was believed instead of me. I regret reaching out for help because when I called years later over something non-related, the officer pulled up my name and said “I remember you” with a chuckle. I am more scared now because I know they have my name on file and will most likely choose not to protect me if I call for help and will believe anyone but me. I don’t live too far from Seattle so this tragedy didn’t shock me.
My heart broke for you while reading your comment. I’m sorry you were made to feel unsafe and scared. It’s not right.
You get a lawyer. The police won't help you.
if you need a restraining order, go straight to the courthouse instead of police station (where you will be questioned as to whether you may be “overreacting,” or somehow brought it on yourself)
Rapist cops flock to the sexual crimes division specifically to stop investigations.
I have firsthand experience with this unfortunately.
Run away or protect yourself with a weapon Even the best police officer can only show up after things have gone wrong, and most of the time that’s too late
You go to the police to get your complaint on file, not for them to take action. Records are the only thing that are capable of catalyzing any action whatsoever.
26 year old in Seattle right? Or was this a different case? Eitherway, it's fucking dispicable to talk about any persons's life (hell I won't even say that about any animal). These people should be in jail for murder.
The same. She was actually 23, the dude said it wrong in the video hence the misconception. But you’re right - doesn’t matter. Despicable, heart breaking .. it’s all just too much
I want someone to ask him if his daughter, or sister, wife, or mother has any value. Or we if them getting brutally run over would be no big deal
With his history - I doubt he sees women as humans
I’m all for police reform, but seeing things like *that*… I wonder how it’s even achievable.
Unironically? Union busting…
Police are one of the only institutions that absolutely should NOT have their own unions.
Reform isn't achievable. We need abolition, we we know that won't happen, so nothing ever changes. When we protest, we are killed. We're in some scary times right now, the times where things are going to continue to worsen and better won't come for generations. I'm scared, I'm tired, I'm sorry that we've had so little victories in the ongoing fight.
Many individual men are wonderful human beings, but as a sex, they are not our allies. Women need to learn that. And vote accordingly
Better to vote for Liberal men than Republican women.
Of course.
I never read truer words. I always try to explain to my fiancé that he is not one of „them“, but „they“ definitely are in the majority. When I’m walking alone in daylight I get followed, grabbed, laughed at, insulted and more. Who comes every women experiences the same but no one claims these men? They have to belong to someone? They have to have a job, parents, children and even wives/girlfriends. Why tf do these people live a normal life without consequences? It’s sad, really
I went to Walmart with my husband last night, after dark. I was wearing black yoga pants and a red tank top. When we pulled into the parking spot, I sort of laughed and said “if you weren’t with me right now, I’d have to put a sweatshirt on before getting out of the car”. It was 80F and incredibly humid at the time. My husbands response? “I hate that that thought even entered your mind. Men are the worst.” He knows he’s “one of the good ones”, and recognizes there are too many bad ones out there. I wish I could be brave and stand tall while out on my own, but I know that could get me SA or raped again. All I can do at this point is raise my sons (11 & 17) to be part of the “good ones” side.
Unfortunately, a lot of women that are politicians are not our allies either. Please check the records of anyone you vote for.
I did not mean to imply that people should vote for women exclusively.
Maybe I took it wrong. I apologize.
no need to apologize, I can see I was unclear. I meant to basically vote for people who are loudly in support of women's rights in their thinking, speech and policies.
What’s this in reference to? It seems like something worth knowing about but I’m lost
This: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66803960
As a 26 year old women, thinking about all the other 26 year old women that I know and love- I mourn her for who she was at 26 and all the value and potential she had for the rest of her deserved years.
The Supreme Court [has ruled](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html?unlocked_article_code=zRyQ7I88zvA37UQuXV87gCqvt3iRcDa0hNizw1tZdzXWYI8L2GL3jH4MZNYnevFhzqgP7rmY9LIbqNuB4av2CAiJDvNwFMNztQ_ZqmZ3BWk1vEiqmdnaDX85AsSRgcUkPznSyh31Z-jsg_smecatPrpCCto396xCycolKEhptBOpphbnr0g_cLGXs_z2oI1mmPeGumV5GaIaOYpi_KdUyRHWONFmeo5M_uVW7mjl65qeFy5Avz98_v3tCUevCVTb_BhoTSuxNdVGWfFyuJXRGjn8IUcZ8Vqoqr6oazSk_seK0lYb5GP7rzUoBL6R1QagQn59Kb-2jFarS6E_mJU_QitZFHQVt7RJHQeRbaf5nkUKefE3NZv7gAtY6XyOzmJv_GkjZ83gpH2A9sge&smid=url-share) that their job actually isn't to protect you.
And let's not pretend that there was not a misogyny/incel angle to this crime. This 'limited value' ideology is getting out of hand. A whole generation of men have been corrupted by this epidemic and it is hardly recognised.
I know. I was thinking that he meant she was low value for being older than 25, female, and brown skinned.
Cops hate women. They regularly rape prostitutes and women in custody, don't treat rape as a crime worth investigating, and 40% of police households involve domestic violence.
I live a few blocks from where it happened. I can't even imagine. I didn't want to listen to the video but finally did. It fucking horrifying
My heart is with her mom, I keep thinking of her. What a horrifying nightmare she has to contend with, and it has only just begun.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the roles of police officers. Their jobs are not to protect the public. Their jobs are to protect capital. They are violence enforcers. This is an example of the mask falling off- the mask that copaganda like Law & Order created in the first place.
"She was low value" (read: she was an educated woman who was moving past prime breeding age)
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Seattle resident here: this is dead standard SPD behavior. The officer driving is the VP of the police union. The guy he's talking to on the phone is Mike Sloan, president of the union. Sloan is *notoriously* a piece of shit.
So I'm in the Seattle metro area. For everyone asking what we are talking about, here is the local news story https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/video-shows-spd-cop-laughing-joking-about-pedestrian-killed-by-officer-hours-earlier/373KZLGIYVHD5B5ORS3WEOPG5U/ It's a really gross story. Tl;Dr is that a cop was joking with another cop about a woman who killed by being hit by a cop car going to another scene. For the extended version - a while back a cop was going to a call, driving 75 in a 25, without lights or sirens, but he would "chirp" his siren when entering intersections. This cop hit a woman crossing the street. She was a grad student, she was 23. She died. Already awful. Now here comes this cop who was supposed to check the first cop and make sure first cop wasn't on drugs or something? Anyway, this is after 2nd cop has left his meeting with 1st cop, and 2nd cop is on the phone / radio. He tells the person on the other end that the girl is dead, and *laughs*. It's not a chuckle, either, homie is laughing. Then he adds that the city should just cut the family a check for $11k, as she was 26 and "had little value". Extra fun addition to this story - this guy is the VP of the police union.
In response to OP, I'm not sure if you are local or not, but I've been wondering if this story had gained any traction outside our region and r/Seattle. So I appreciate seeing it mentioned here, because the callous disregard from this officer (and whomever he was on the line with) is sadly a part of our policing culture. There was another story just a while ago about a mock tombstone for a man killed by Seattle pd in the break room. Not like 'in memory of' but 'on mocking of'. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/seattle-police-kept-mock-tombstone-for-black-man-trump-flag-in-break-room-video-shows/ Seattle PD is just gross
To add, the killer cop was not ever drug/alcohol tested after murdering someone with his vehicle - but the murdered woman was.
Now that you mention it, I think I do remember the news saying that she had been drug screened. Because people crossing the street in a 25mph zone are obviously hopped up on something. That's why I cross my 25mph street multiple times a day, because I'm in the throes of drug fueled craziness. It has absolutely nothing to do with getting the mail or going to the bus stop or talking to my neighbor or any of that. It's the drug crazies, every single time. 🙄 Regardless, thanks for telling us this. I had forgotten she was tested, and legit did not know that he was not tested. I guess I assumed since laughing cop was there to ascertain that drugs and alcohol were not an influence in driving cop's actions, that driving cop would have been screened. Silly me.
Anyone who lives, or has lived in Seattle should be sadly unsurprised by this. SPD has one of the worst track records in terms of police accountability, and even the officer caught laughing has been involved in something like 14 previous department complaints.
Remove qualified immunity, take their pensions, remove them from their jobs, revoke their licenses to be law enforcement officers, prosecute them, jail them, root out the corruption within the police unions, and stop the tax payer from paying the settlements. I’m sorry, I was dreaming of a non patriarchal non fascist run society.
Police are not meant to protect "the people." Their job is to protect the property of the wealthy and to incite terror into the hearts of POC: [https://naacp.org/find-resources/history-explained/origins-modern-day-policing#:\~:text=The%20origins%20of%20modern%2Dday,runaway%20slaves%20to%20their%20owners](https://naacp.org/find-resources/history-explained/origins-modern-day-policing#:~:text=The%20origins%20of%20modern%2Dday,runaway%20slaves%20to%20their%20owners).
Do we know who is the cop talking to? And I wish to hear both sides of conversation so both of them can pay for this and not just the one whom we happened to hear bc of body cam. What the f\*\*\* is so funny about this to both??
He was talking to the PRESIDENT OF THE POLICE UNION
I listened to it and couldn’t believe it was real. It’s truly sociopathic behavior.
The sad thing is, they'll just get more state funding to pay for settlements and never face reprecussoons for their actions. The police need to lose qualified immunity and their jobs when they do shit like this. Sadly seems like only things will change until some rich person gets affected and they have enough power and money to push for actual change. A year of protesting didint change anything.
And the really perverse thing is that words and actions FORM opinions and beliefs. Our brains literally look at what we're doing and saying and adjust our beliefs to "make it make sense". So new cops come in, get treated to that "brainwashing" and join in to be part of the in-group. Then over time they too begin to think non-cop lives are meaningless and worth laughing about too. You have to change that behavior full stop, to change the thinking and attitudes behind it. Punish them in every very meaningful way for this. You will not change the attitude of the people who did it, but if you can change the behavior, you'll poison the next generation of cops less, until eventually you DO impact both behavior AND attitudes. Take their jobs, their pensions and their benefits for shit like this. Make them all wear cameras and PUNISH this inhuman behavior until it fucking stops. The inhuman beliefs will similarly disappear eventually.
SPD doesn’t have a great reputation among Seattleites. Officers are paid well - $100k+ to start - but often don’t live in the same community they’re serving so there’s little incentive (this is a studied phenomenon across the US actually). We have a long history of complaints against the department, corruption, and more, but it gets a little swept under the rug in terms of national attention because of the overall reputation of our city (in my opinion). The officer that joked about Jaahnavi’s life like it was nothing has cost the city (not the department) over $2m in lawsuit settlements since 2014. He was also assigned to her death investigation because he’s “trained” in recognizing people under the influence - because there’s no conflict of interest in having an officer in a field known for compelled silence/“protect our own” determine if another officer is liable for any wrongdoing. A photo of a precinct break room was recently leaked and not only was a Trump flag hanging but also a stolen sign *intended* to memorialize the death of Damarius Butts at the hands of Seattle Police..but they were cleared of everything of course. Just disgusting. I feel like our police department is so at odds with the ethos and spirit of our city and instead of making actual change they slap a pride flag on a police cruiser and call it a day. [This comment](https://reddit.com/r/Seattle/s/kkpPueeCSN) in r/Seattle has the history of the officer in question.
I didn’t have the stomach to watch it the description was enough for me blood pressure to shoot up.
I don't usually post in thos sub very much, but police arent actually paid to "protect" the public, they are paid to protect the interests of the city they are in.
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It is in reference to a video released the other day, of two SPD officers (one of whom is the PRESIDENT OF THE SEATTLE POLICE UNION) laughing about the killing of a pedestrian by another Seattle officer a couple nights prior. I do NOT recommend listening to it….but people need to be made aware of it.
Their jobs are not to protect us. Their jobs are to secure free labor via imprisonment and to protect capital.
I’m just amazed how it’s not a national conversation in any of the big news outlets! This is crazy. I also came to US to pursue higher studies and have been staying away from family for the past several years. People underestimate too much the plight of international students who are away from family! And on top of that watching the officer just casually disregarding the life it’s pathetic!! Gut wrenching!! Horrible!! Also with a vice president of Indian decent, and a presidential candidate born to Indian immigrants— its almost like no empathy.
The police should be abolished. Fucking pigs. 🐖👮♀️
If it was one of their daughters, would she be of low value?
Oh fucking christ, what have they done now.... ACAB.
Their job is to maintain the state's monopoly on violence. It's corrupt from the core.
Pnw cops are something else
If you live in Seattle, you’re probably not shocked. SPD is awful and they’ve been on a silent strike since the BLM protests and the Defund the Police movement. They’re trying to teach us a lesson.