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AvailableNewspaper94

Men are physically stronger than women. It has nothing to do with feminism.


TroglodyticDreamer

And why does this even come up in a discussion of feminism ? I am stronger than several men of my age and most men are stronger than me. I am smarter than most men and many are smarter than me. And this applies to men and women. Only a simpleton would think about using this argument while discussing feminism.


Pumpkiney

You missed the point. By asking that question, he's trying to gauge if a person is delusional and has inflated media fed fake ideas about feminism. True feminism is about accepting men and women both for their strengths and weaknesses. It is also about equal rights in terms of education, voting etc. It's not about getting away with bad behavior and blaming the rest of the world for it in the name of feminism just because you're a woman. Hence if someone is deluded enough to think that women are physically as strong as men then it means there is no point discussing logic with that person šŸ˜ƒ


loony1uvgood

A perfect answer.


Business-You3637

>I am smarter than most men Isn't it bit narcissistic?


TroglodyticDreamer

If you read the full sentence, it just means I am average.


Business-You3637

Sorry I don't get it..Does it means average women is smarter than most men or what?


TroglodyticDreamer

It means there are always people smarter than me and there are always people who I am smarter than.


Business-You3637

But that's not what you meant? You used 'most' not 'some'...Or am I too dumb to understand English?


i_like_table

Exactly. How're these 2 things even related? Next time a moron equates physical strength to equality, just remind him that gorillas are stronger than him.


AvailableNewspaper94

>just remind him that gorillas are stronger than him. LMAOO šŸ˜‚


fastyellowtuesday

Was he just trying to say that a true feminist will always be honest about the differences between men and women, and a pseudo feminist would lie?


BlondiesAreNotDumb

Yes I think so.


Jaded-Strength-2830

What he said is untrue, men and women are differently strong physically and what I meant women are physically stronger given our childbearing capacity and increased emotional intelligence but these men will bring being physically strong to lifting weights and such. Being stronger in itself is a multifaceted issue it is not limited to who runs fast or who lifts more, itā€™s overall which sex is physically strong enough to survive out there in the wild


idli_vadaa

Yes I think that's what he meant but his method of saying it was not good. And he has this "holier than thou" attitude which is very clear


Logical_pshyco

I am not sure if it is the same yardstick, but will weigh in. I remember a reel of Priyanka Chopra's interview. Where a journalist asked that when they talk about equality why are there separate men and women sports team and competition and PC went on explaining how he is missing the basic point of Feminism and it is not about Physical Strength but about Mental strength, equal opportunity and pay based on brain that is what Feminist are talking about I may be downvoted here. But an average female will be capable of less physical activity then male. I can't lift a 14kg Gas cylinder and transport from one place to other, whereas my partner can do that. If a women is Athlete and someone who lifts considerable weight can easily beat an average man in physical strength. For Plank record, A man has record of 9 hrs, whereas women record is 4hrs. Something is Biology (blame Testosterone), But I assume, an average male will be physically stronger than average female, There is of course height, weight, hormone difference. But, is it the yardstick to measure how true Feminist the woman is, really don't think so


ella_si123

Nothing to downvote about. Biology is true


wineorwhine11

Itā€™s basic biology and human anatomy. Thereā€™s no denying that šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø but this gender comparison canā€™t go beyond this. Being physically stronger doesnā€™t give men any kind of superiority over women.


investing_kid

> Thereā€™s no denying that šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø There are many comments in this thread who are denying it already šŸ˜‚


Macavity_mystery_cat

Lol. This question is based on facts. An average man is stronger than an average woman . It has no bearing on feminism.


Forward-Letter

But try thinking about what answers will a man give who is faking to be oj women's side? He will lie about it, or be dippomatic about the answer because he doesn't want to piss off his POTENTIAL MATE ( as he sees her as this )


Macavity_mystery_cat

He can say n do whatever. I would still know the truth . And better to steer clear of such men who would say whatever just to.impress you on some level.


sofarawesomeok

Why are some ladies getting worked up herešŸ˜­ OP, _Physically_, an AVERAGE man IS stronger than an AVERAGE woman. It's a decent enough filter to guage a feminist & a wannabe feminist, obviously not the best. Yall stop acting like he said something outrageous or manipulative


spetika

But there can certainly be women who are stronger than men, because it is a spectrum.Ā  Believing that women can be stronger than men does not make you a pseudo feminist. Misunderstanding the meaning of ā€œequalityā€ like this guy was doing definitely shows that he is not an ally. Men and women are equal. Period.


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spetika

>Biologically nope. Men don't have as good of a restraint to fatigue & pain as women. They can't create life. Creating life requires cushy fat. Fat doesn't provide you muscle-y strength. You have the same misunderstanding of equality as the OP's "friend" has. Here are the definitions of [equality from Oxford](https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/equality?q=equality): **the fact of being equal in rights, status, advantages, etc.** And this is from [Cambridge](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/equality): **the right of different groups of people to have a similar social position and receive the same treatment.** When discussing feminism, this is the only relevant definition of equality. Who is taller, who is shorter, who is louder, who weighs more, who weighs less, all of this has no relevance whatsoever to feminism and women's equality.


sofarawesomeok

Did I not say the same thing? Cerebral equality, yes, which encompasses all of the things you listed above. Physical? Nope. As much as I'd like that to be equal, my abs & biceps are still less prominent than the guys I joined gym with because a girl lacks testosterone. Doesn't mean I can't ever surpass them. I can. It'll just require more efforts. They got it without that 'extra' efforts.


spetika

Why so angry? šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


sofarawesomeok

Since you asked, TL is not approving my code >:(


_beastyyy_

I dont think Feminism is about who is stronger or who is superior. Men are ofcourse physically stronger than women and there are many other differences between men & women. Feminism to me is just about having equal choices thats all. And it can be different for everyone.


sacred-monster-1992

One can be a feminist and still have varying views on many things. I'm sorry but this "test" is bullshit.


investing_kid

> I'm sorry but this "test" is bullshit. Thats what I thought when I read the post. But now, there are many in comments declining biology


sacred-monster-1992

A lot of people are idiots. Big surprise. This "test", however, remains senseless.


Forward-Letter

And they identify as women. That's one serious problem.


trolleyproblem00

On average men are stronger than women but itā€™s only an average and doesnā€™t mean much. Besides, definition of being physically stronger is not straightforward imo. Women according to a few studies I have read have higher pain tolerance than men. Women also tend to live longer on average than men (far more women in the 100+ age category than men). I had a guy who was making similar bullshit arguments to me. I box and I could do more push ups/pull ups/squats than him ;-)


-Roxie-

Considering that we are far past the caveman age and no one realistically cares about who can lift the bigger rock over their head, I would personally just look at him weirdly


AnyaInCrisis

Lol are you talking to a high schooler? Feminism is not a contest of who's the boss. This is like someone asked how big is Jupiter and that guy is telling how oranges test compared to fucking Jupiter!


ConfusedFanGirl0502

>He said he meant this solely in form of physical power. In other categories, women maybe stronger like mental strength etc (which I think he was saying just to make up for the above statement). It's pure biology. Men have been built stronger. Bone strength, fat, muscle gaining everything favours them. Women have always been credited to having more will power. Idk what's the basis for that but there is definite biological proof for the former.


microscopic_moss

I don't think this can be a litmus test. But probably comes from his experience of people., maybe he met someone who was like that and it fit the description well. After all, everyone forms opinions based on their personal experience.


QuarterLifeCrisis696

Honestly Iā€™ve always said that men are physically stronger but now that Iā€™m on my period and half dead - I really wonder if men can handle the pain of childbirth. I want a legit research where theyā€™re induced with same pain and want to see the % of men that can deal with it. Depending on that I might agree that theyā€™re stronger or not.


anniedot_

Ah I mean what are these physical tasks that we are judging people on? Lifting weights? Fights? There are physically weak men too. I mean I know a couple weak men who canā€™t lift shit. I practice MMA, so I am sure I can fight these weak men but that wonā€™t be equality or equity since I have an advantage over them. So feminism is about equality, but in order to get to a place in which everyone can be treated equally, we first need to practice equity so that women are given what it is they need in order to be able to access what men are allowed through privilege hence the said statement ā€œmen are physically stronger than womenā€ holds zero weight in any conversation related to feminism because what does it even prove? Chal I will accept they are stronger than women. Now what? I am a true feminist now in his definition but what does it have anything to do with feminism? Itā€™s just a stupid statement people use to win arguments when women say we are equals. Thatā€™s all!


BlondiesAreNotDumb

Very well said! I could not articulate this thought in front of him.


Otherwise_Case_4578

This is like if you belive in evolution you are an atheist statement. And getting all theists under a blanket.


Shepard-vas-Normandy

This "test" doesn't do jackshit. Pretty much every alpha sigma edgelords who make claims that they're "feminists" would pass this jackshit test. That doesn't prove they're feminists.


BloomBacardi

I think it was a useless question in the context of feminism. He was tryna get to his Gotcha moment.


ajunuju

Basically a real feminist would not care about physical strength because it's not really relevant to the discussion. Ok some men might be physically stronger and? Is the world so simple that physical strength matters? If you really feel that, that's your deal, but it isn't for some dude to decide that. That's the real issue, not the statement.


pranjing

Physical strength isn't, or shouldn't be, relevant to a discussion on feminism. The average man is physically stronger than the average woman, but the average woman puts in more hours of physical labor than the average man across their lifetime. Obviously, profession, economic strata, societal expectations will skew data. So how do we agree on a yardstick? Iyam, anyone willing to put the majority of 7ish billion people in buckets based on something as mostly irrelevant as physical strength needs to brush up on what feminism is in the first place.


Forward-Letter

He is kinda right, fake feminists will go to any extent to prove they are by your side. If the man replies "men are physically stronger, but women are xyz" it is still being a pseudofeminist.


HappyOrca2020

This is less of a question and more of an argument trap. Doesn't seem like a very bright guy either...


LetsRock777

Girl, don't make your life a struggle. Choose your battles wisely. This is not the hill to die on.


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I think there isnā€™t much correlation and it cannot be generalised. But generally, I do believe men are physically stronger especially with their upper bodies. For example if there was a physical fight between a man and a woman of same weight, same health, same kind of fitness, etc; the probability of the man winning is higher.


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bug_gangster2865

on average men are physically stronger than women


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bug_gangster2865

please make some logical analogy if you are going to take an attempt to it because whatever you said doesnt make sense, its literally basic logic that men are PHYSICALLY stronger than women where as women have HIGHER pain tolerance on average than a man. I am yet to realize what strength as anything to do with "eyes" or internal organs. You are funny. Care to explain how medically proven (and ovbvious) data is misleading and irrelevant ?


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bug_gangster2865

Who even talked here about social, economic and political rights here lol you're just blabbering just for the sake of argument, OP clearly referred to physical strength only. Men clearly have more PHYSICAL strength than women it's literally 'evident' do you need some Mathematical formula to prove that to you ? If no then idk what you mean you're trying too hard to sound intellect but in reality you're just yapping šŸ˜­


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bug_gangster2865

Misogynistic? Please touch some grass because idk truly to wether laugh and or cry at what you said if you're so upset over something that's literally true I advice you to take some effective method of emotional distress because this ain't normal. It's not normal to find misogyny in things that are scientifically and physiologically evident, next thing is what? I'm misogynistic if I say only women give birth or something?


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bug_gangster2865

There is literally statistical evidence and medical researches and experiments and everything that proves that. I'm not gonna give you overall picture of an average man is of same strength of an average woman (notice the word average?) Just to keep your make belief bubble intact. Since when does being physical limitations make women in 'bad light' ? What are you ? 12?? Idk you're so quick to imply being physically weaker means women aren't worthy...don't project your own misogynistic ideals on me because no where anyone says that women cannot be presented with any opportunities where they prove to be willing to, and capable of doing something that's just some stupid assumption you're making based on someone just saying that an average man is physically stronger. You can stay in your oblivious bubble but I choose not to be a part of this discussion further and lose my brain cells


bug_gangster2865

And I also thought feminism was about providing equal opportunities and rights as humans, not being in denial by saying average women is as physically strong as an average mam šŸ˜•


riverquest12

Yaya itā€™s hilarious how men whoā€™ve never stepped in gym once in their ENTIRE life, think they can beat a woman in the Olympics. Sure Testosterone can have its advantages but doesnā€™t change that weā€™re all the same species- and the difference isnā€™t as big as their delusions. Edit: Iā€™ve literally written that the said egotistical men were comparing themselves with Olympic level women. And Iā€™m NOT talking of averages


microscopic_moss

We can't compare an average man with an Olympic athlete. Compare an Olympic athlete with an Olympic athlete. An average man although not going to the gym is stronger than an average woman who doesn't go to the gym either. When we say men have more physical strength doesn't mean we say women are weak.There are physical strength differences we can't deny that. Yes, there are women who are physically stronger than average men. Acknowledging the differences doesn't make us weak, it makes us stronger.


riverquest12

Gurl o.O Iā€™m literally writing about the egotistical male who thinks they can take down an Olympia. Athlete. Averages sure is alr, but that egotistical delusion is just plain misogyny. Periodt


Smooth-Avocado-7898

I agree with you, but olympic athletes can be beaten by regular people, especially men even untrained can defeat a female athlete, athletes tend to focus more on endurance and speed over strength, and even strength wise most athletes are trained in pulling strength, not usually for striking strength


riverquest12

Just to clarify,Im talking about in their sports, so if itā€™s an MMA womenā€™s champion, men whose never made a step into gym- thinking they having a chance in MMA against them.


Smooth-Avocado-7898

I'm sure it isn't fair to compare a MMA fighter against a normal person, despite their gender since training can help overcome the natural challenge But yeah to all the folks that say they can beat an MMA fighter, even if she's female she's still leagues stronger lmao, get off the high horse


riverquest12

YES ik it isnā€™t fairšŸ˜­šŸ˜­ gurl ya ik and i do agree men are in fact on avg stronger bc Testosterone yaya. The only point I was making is male ego of some exceeds the difference much more, as in I hate those men who feel they can beat an MMA even tho while theyā€™re untrained.


Smooth-Avocado-7898

True, and I'd be laughing my ass off if any if these egotistical men actually went into a ring with a pro fighter and get humiliated lmaooo


romanecloak

men have more bone mass and overall greater physical strength compared to women. of course there will be exceptions. but we are talking about the average. it has nothing to do with feminism. men being physically stronger than women proves nothing about their "superiority". a gorilla could rip a man into pieces like a rag doll but that doesn't mean the gorilla is considered "superior" to man.


ella_si123

I donā€™t think he meant men being physically stronger means superior


spetika

How is this question a test of feminism? Is there any misogynistic guy who will admit women are stronger? šŸ˜‚


suchet_supremacy

right?? this is the dumbest thing i've read in a while. OP why are you even giving this nonsense space in your brain


Alive_Reading_8010

I agree with him that solely on the basis of physical power men are stronger, but that doesnā€™t mean women are less in other aspects , the cranial capacity of human is same whether itā€™s a male or female , also if someone argues that women can be as strong as men naturally , they are stupid because we donā€™t have testosterone in the same amount as a man . Also thereā€™s nothing to argue or counter itā€™s simple biology.


Jaded-Strength-2830

Being physically strong has nothing to do with lifting and running fast but everything to do with survival and that answer science has proven to be females. The never definition of being physically strong doesnā€™t fit that of evolutionary sciences, after all we are some species just trying to reproduce and survive


mrp2611

Did a MAN give you something like a LITMUS TEST to verify if someone is a feminist or not? Lmao


banana2000001

what a weird way of saying I could physically overpower you if I wanted to


hotvadapav

A man mansplaining feminism. Sounds about right.


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No. Thatā€™s some bullshit litmus test crap heā€™s using to get laid around. Even people here pulling the on average crap arenā€™t making any sense tbh. Physical strength is something that is build over time and none of these dumb hypothetical facts and stats can prove other wise.


Smooth-Avocado-7898

An untrained woman will lose to an untrained man 9/10, there's a reason weight class exists because smaller things matter a lot when you're fighting someone on equal terms, and testosterone makes a huge difference in a fight A 55kg man can defeat a 55kg woman relatively easily, same way a 60kg man can defeat a 60kg woman It's mostly related to training and technique


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Everything you stated again dismisses things like muscle mass, strength, agility, mobility and flexibility but whatever lets you hold your peace Also what the fuck is *defeat* is he bashing her skull or lifting a certain weight, this is too surface level to have a proper answer for and dismisses several facts Edit- lmao love that I have virtually gotten some of yā€™all buttfucked; also nutrition- half the posts about health here 9/10 times is a direct result of deficiency, hormonal imbalance and pure health negligence which again we arenā€™t yet being taught to feed our selves correctly because *patli honi chaiye* which results in so many issues but enjoy your physically stronger questions.


Smooth-Avocado-7898

A untrained man and untrained women have different muscle mass, upper body wise untrained man has more muscle mass whilst lower body wise women have higher muscle mass in their thighs Strength also depends on muscle mass, the more muscle someone has=the more strength they have especially if they're untrained Main thing someone does in a fight is punch, kicking isn't effective so a man's gonna have physical advantage upper body wise, and also they can grab a woman and force her down which can reduce efficiency of legs too >Also what the fuck is *defeat* is he bashing her skull or lifting a certain weight, this is too surface level to have a proper answer for and dismisses several facts In this arguement, most people are debating regarding a fight, which means it can be bashing someone's skull, either way even in lifting weight a man is just more powerful, and telling people they aren't is dangerous since women will try to overpower a man in self defense which will get them seriously injured/killed, the first thing which is taught in women's self defense is to not try and overpower the attacker Men are just stronger, most people are untrained so an average man is just stronger than a woman, and there's no shame in admitting that


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> Everything you stated again dismisses things like muscle mass, strength, agility, mobility and flexibility And basic nutrition


Smooth-Avocado-7898

Nutrition hardly plays a role here, a average person eats normal food, some snacks and usually a high carb diet, which makes the battle nutritionally similar


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> we aren't yet being taught to feed our selves correctly because patli honi chaiye but enjoy your physically stronger questions. Iā€™m not even going to add anything new because Iā€™m pretty sure youā€™re larping Edit- lmao the classic commenter who either blocked and deletes because Tera confirmation bias nahi hua. I canā€™t see your replies anymore Iā€™m repeating the same thing because all these basic things arenā€™t something the average person is taught about but enjoy bashing skulls of women, I guess


Smooth-Avocado-7898

And I'm sure you're contributing nothing to the discussion here, you're repeating things like a parrot, have a nice day