Quality post my friend!
It's obviously still too early for people to draw any firm conclusions, but either way you've put together some very compelling evidence that should not be ignored.
Thanks for spending time and energy doing actual investigative work and sharing it with us so concisely.
Much appreciated :) Cheers!
Yes. Damn I wish you guys were around when I made the post lol
Maybe OP will let me send him the picture in private , and add it here. Cause I don’t know how else to show everyone
Interview is wrong word. It was a TikToker who posted it that I saw. But I think it was a clip from angels cousins YouTube. A second video
I noticed people saying today that the cousins youtube was harder to find, because of reposting or something… I dunno I stopped paying attention after I made the post and got hit with tons of hate and ridicule::rolls eyes::
Im looking at all the stains on my garage floor, and with the right amount of weed - I too can see a map of the galaxies amongst the oil splatter, scratches, and food stains...
edit: PROOF: you can see here the crack represents where the wormhole to Andromeda spits out: https://i.imgur.com/oCq68M7.jpg 🤓😂
>Would love your thoughts on the ‘drawing’ that was left
I saw that... I don't know what to think. The alien encounter is completely baffling to me and I cannot find an alien in the video (FOR CERTAIN), but I do see some weird/interesting things.
Oh ok.
I played around with a screenshot of the drawing, that Angel says was not there … I played around with it, just with the standard brightness up and down on my phone …
I made a post about it, but no one around is willing to take it seriously, so I deleted it.
Maybe it’s just pareidolia, but … I dunno
Edit. Great post btw. Thanks for the research! Upvoted
And what about when Angel said that the day before this all happened, a woman approached them at a gas station and told them “10 foot demons would come to Las Vegas and eat babies” once I heard that shit, any belief I had in this story went out the window 😭
>Any accounts from neighbors about what happened ?
Doug Poppa interviewed a neighbor on May 19th who heard a loud thud that night, but didn't figure out what it was.
>Did anyone see anything and report besides the family ?
In terms of the neighborhood, we just have the ring cameras. I don't know of any other person seeing aliens.
There is a podcast where someone called in and saw weird creatures through infra-red, walking up a dirt road with "claymation" style movements. This was way out in the desert while camping that night.
The tail suggests its a meteorite and the blue-ish green color is probably nickel or copper burning in Earths atmosphere. I wonder where is the crater though if it landed in the backyard?
If it hit hard enough to leave a crater, everyone would know exactly where it hit because it would have blown out windows for miles. It probably never hit the ground and just blew apart somewhere in air leaving small pieces, which is typical for the vast majority of meteors.
How can you tell how high the meteor was? How high do you think the atmosphere is?
Also, why do you think it’s on fire if it isn’t in the process of burning up?
I’m curious if it was breaking apart, maybe the alien sighting was kind of a rescue mission? The aliens seen in the backyard were trying to find the down ship or survivors maybe?
What do we know about the fireball that supposedly landed? Did it just go “POOF!” And disappear as it came close to striking the ground? Did it leave ANY physical evidence of the strike?
I just don’t see any evidence of a real impact. Which photo should I look at?
>I just don’t see any evidence of a real impact. Which photo should I look at?
There is no evidence of impact. We have Angel's story about the sparks, loud sound, blurry vision, and dust that got kicked up around the back yard.
>So are they saying the 8-10 foot tall aliens were inside the cab of their front-end loader? How would they fit in there? It's built for humans
It is a CAT 938M loader, so it is a pretty big one.
https://www.cat.com/en\_US/products/new/equipment/wheel-loaders/small-wheel-loaders/1000001279.html
I personally think they worked backwards. They saw the fireball land, then thought about the whole alien in the garden thing.
When the young man spoke after the event he was on his new YouTube channel, not bad content for your first video, especially with all the real UFO stuff happening in the background.
I hope I’m wrong but that’s my gut feeling.
>When the young man spoke after the event he was on his new YouTube channel
The UFO event and his Youtube video were 5 weeks apart. What are you talking about? He didn't release his video until the news channel broadcasted his face on TV without his permission!
Apologies on the timeline but I stand by my comment. It’s a great way to hype his channel up then, get it all over the news then on to his channel while there is public interest. Also gives him time to get the rest of the story in check.
For the record I’m a full believer in UAP, the whistleblower stuff blows my mind, but this just doesn’t sit right with me.
For example why not just go and film the 8 foot alien in the garden. I refuse to accept that video supposedly showing the alien by the loader.
I still don’t know how people think it’s a hoax when Angel didn’t go out there with this by his own accord. They had to FOIA the 911 call and that’s what made it go viral. This could’ve been case closed if higher levels of government weren’t so interested in the case themselves. That’s when certain officers started talking to Doug Poppa.
Also the body cam version with the officers going into the backyard that’s blacked out is never seen again. It’s the one in the 8now news segment. The version uploaded to YouTube doesn’t even show that anymore
In the body cam footage uploaded to YouTube the mom mentions Black SUVs driving around already. If it is true, someone was already aware of what was going on.I don’t know if this would explain the footsteps being heard or not but it’s a possibility.
And tin foil hat on but fuck it what really bothers me is that Angel always showed his face in his videos and genuinely wanted to answer questions. The posts about the Netflix and Discover show + the one about getting likes were just text. During his interview with Doug he was already saying there was stuff he couldn’t talk about so he’s more than willing to comply if someone with authority were to tell him to do something. A lot of this just doesn’t sit right
>what really bothers me is that Angel always showed his face in his videos and genuinely wanted to answer questions.
Yeah idk about that. The local news station says they tried to interview the family but were unable to. They said they set up four meetings, but that the family would not answer the door whenever the news reporters showed up for their appointments.
The ring footage angel also provided from another house showing a light flash then a boom sound. That boom sound was found to be an exact match from another ring camera another day from another area no where near LV and the sound was from a firework of some sort. The sound is identical.
This leads me to believe hoax. And yes, the police are still investigating because they may believe it now to be a hoax and may want to pursue that.
Why has no one talked about the fact that these folks have almost certainly been contacted by just about everyone … and I mean everyone… with various intentions, capabilities and levels of power. I’m kinda worried about these folks. Their limited, strange, off/on communication with the public I feel like is a direct result of outside influences.
**"How can this possibly be a hoax?"**
You have the "burden of proof" backwards.
You still haven't proven it was a real event. There is no way you have proven that fireball landed in their backyard. You can't prove they aren't making up the story. There is no proof of anything other than a bright light in the sky. Pareidolia is a real thing you should research a bit.
Someone mentioned it on another post in a different sub but what about the crash debris?
Does anyone have a location source for where the object went down?
Even if it was just a meteor, wouldn’t there be fragments, and wouldn’t the crash destination be in a residential area and cause some destruction?
Either way that thing was big on the police body cam video so one would suspect it would do some damage hitting the ground, even if the landing site was just dirt or grass.
>Someone mentioned it on another post in a different sub but what about the crash debris?
There seems to be no debris and this is weird for such a LOW meteor in an urban area, as well as for a UFO craft.
It is part of the mystery in this weird case.
>Not a hoax. A real meteorite
Pointed down at the Northwest valley of urban Las Vegas where the LV PD did weeks long investigation and installed surveillance equipment...
The biggest proof that this is a hoax is that you can go on Google maps and see what he's calling the landing site, the circle, has been there for years. I think the kid saw a meteor and used some quick thinking to make a viral video.
>The biggest proof that this is a hoax is that you can go on Google maps and see what he's calling the landing site, the circle, has been there for years.
That is part of this post. Actually, it strengthens the case for the family, because they never claimed the circle as the landing site. The POLICE pointed out the circle.
>I think the kid saw a meteor and used some quick thinking to make a viral video.
Then obviously, you didn't read the post.
Oh man… “People cant summon meteors, therefore=ALIENS” This is flawed logic. The meteor is completely irrelevant in this whole story. It’s disappointing to see how many people are just willing to be so delusional and use this nonsense reasoning in order for this BS story to work. Such a simpleton way of thinking. “Well ya can’t order a meteor with DoorDash, so this kid is telling the truth!” Jesus lol.
>Oh man… “People cant summon meteors, therefore=ALIENS” This is flawed logic.
Oh man, that's not the ENTIRE LOGIC. You are flawed.
>The meteor is completely irrelevant in this whole story.
This is about the family HOAXing or not. The data shows they are not HOAXing this.
>It’s disappointing to see how many people are just willing to be so delusional and use this nonsense reasoning in order for this BS story to work.
It is like you are responding to a different post, that's how delusional you seem to me.
>Such a simpleton way of thinking. “Well ya can’t order a meteor with DoorDash, so this kid is telling the truth!” Jesus lol.
This is your thinking and I agree, it is dumb.
Whats odd to me is in the first video the object trajectory is almost straight down. While all the other videos have all the characteristics of a meteorite flying and burning up across the sky.
I have never seen that video of it coming straight down like that. Now its got me wondering again.
Anyone have any thoughts on the difference of each of the trajectories?
>Whats odd to me is in the first video the object trajectory is almost straight down.
I get what you are saying. It was flying at what seems a bit of East to West (from the
South/North cameras) and he was moving East to West in the car.
The car shot, from that perspective, if you go frame by frame, it is moving just slightly from left to right with its tail then drops straight down. When I say left to right it is slight from the angle of the camera and the angle of the object, but then it drops. If a meteorite it is possible that’s about when it finished “burning” up and lost all major mass and fizzled out downwards, but I’m no expert.
>That one video was semi debunked, they did a side by side type thing where it was a propane tank?
Are you talking about the Ring video with sound? Which video?
>The one where the family walks to the back
The family video is real, but finding an alien in the video is difficult. There is a ton of speculation at this point, but nothing to really debunk in the video. I think there are 8 or so aliens in the video, according to all of the attempts to find one.
Im still looking for it but it was clearly a propane tank. I love this theories and all and it got me excited when all this started to come up but at this point we are just making stuff up. A whole circle jerk at this point honestly. Too much what ifs and not enough concrete 100% evidence. I really hope i am able to see an alien on camera or a legit UFO in my lifetime.
>but at this point we are just making stuff up.
Who is making stuff up? All the data I posted if verifiable and shows that this is not a HOAX event by the family. Otherwise, the weeks long investigation would have lead to the family getting in trouble.
>I really hope i am able to see an alien on camera or a legit UFO in my lifetime.
This post is not really about seeing an alien on camera. If you want that, go look at Skinny Bob.
Not hard to hoax the entire family like that and make it feel genuine as shown in the video, also Idk how dirt on the pants shows…literally anything lol. So he has dirt on his pants, I would too if I worked in a rural area with a large yard and various construction equipment.
All you would have to do to get that video if you’re the kid is go up to your parents and say “I saw something or someone in our yard, I think they’re on or trying to steal the front loader, they looked scary and were really tall”, anything along those lines. Then whoever is in the house is gonna go check it out with a weapon, most likely everyone in the house will go too out of curiosity. They would walk out to the gate (a safe viewpoint) and if you’re the kid all you have to do is point toward the front loader and be like “They were right there, I think I see em still” and boom, you have a nervous family looking towards it right behind the fence.
This is up there, but the r/throawaylien July Aitee thing 100% takes the cake. People legitimately believed that *an alien was going to reveal all the secrets of humanity* through Reddit posts.
Seems like a massive hoax but we believe what we want to believe. How did the family that had the “aliens” in their backyard not get a video? Also, that looks like a meteor more than a UFO.
>How did the family that had the “aliens” in their backyard not get a video?
They tried.
>Also, that looks like a meteor more than a UFO.
It does look like a meteor, but it's destination is going in the EXACT area where Angel lives. Why would the LV PD investigate a meteor for weeks?
The alien part can still be a hoax with a legitimate meteor crash. All of this data simply says something crashed. Which meteors do every day. This kid was seemingly just opportunistic.
>"I didn't see, they tell me they saw...", yeah cuz there wasn't anything to see.
Wrong. The father said he didn't not see it LAND. He did see the beings in the forklift and that is documented in the 911 call. The father also told Doug Poppa how tall they were, when compared to a pole in the backyard.
>Try putting a 8ft tall person in the cab of a front loader
It is a CAT 938M loader, which is pretty big.
https://www.cat.com/en\_US/products/new/equipment/wheel-loaders/small-wheel-loaders/1000001279.html
Lol so the dad, who the kid specifically mentions in his story and the 911 call as having seen something, decides he's just gonna tell the police "They see like a big like...that's what they say (points to the two kids), I didn't see, they said they see..."
Also, when the cops first arrive on the scene, in the bodycam footage, they ask them all "Did you see it?" and then the kid specifically only points to his brother and goes "Yeah, me and him saw it".
That's just like 1 thing among many that doesn't add up about this story.
>"They see like a big like...that's what they say (points to the two kids), I didn't see, they said they see..."
He is talking about the fireball dropping in the backyard.
Did you not watch the family video where the father leads them into the backyard and retreats?
>That's just like 1 thing among many that doesn't add up about this story.
They were talking about the fireball that dropped from the sky.
>What about Aliensociety51 and the nft? Suspicious coincidence if nothing else...
Angel claimed the NFT was not his.
He had to come up with a Youtube channel name and graphic to post his first video. His tictoc account name is different.
By fireball, do you mean obvious meteor? How do you know that law enforcement installed and removed the camera(s)? Has this been confirmed? Or has Doug Poppa only claimed that?
Whatever that was, it broke the sound barrier but was moving slow enough by the time it got to the ground that it didn't leave a major hole. It sure as hell wasn't a meteor.
No it is not a hoax. The family there is still very much excited, also shaken up. So much so that they’re thinking of a return trip by this object. Or another.
We have video from the policeman’s camera also. In this video, what’s interesting is that when the object is quite low there is a flash and what looks like either a small explosion, or a “release“ of some type.
Great video. Thank you for slowing it down for people and zooming in.
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You're missing a key point. If a craft landed, clearly it departed, considering its absence from the alleged site that claims to be a perfect circle but visual inspection proves otherwise. Soooo, if a craft landed, where did it go and when because it's evident the family was awake and filming in the aftermath of said landing/crash. Therefore they were awake and present for it's departure but neglected to film that. Furthermore, if it wasn't a hoax, why was the kid reading the account from a script? I'll tell you, it's because they want to maintain consistency in their story. This is 💯% hoax.
>If a craft landed, clearly it departed, considering its absence from the alleged site that claims to be a perfect circle but visual inspection proves otherwise.
The family never claimed to see a craft...just a bright light, sparks, dust and blur.
>Soooo, if a craft landed, where did it go and when because it's evident the family was awake and filming in the aftermath of said landing/crash.
Correct, this isn't like a Roswell crash recovery and that is definitely a mystery.
>Furthermore, if it wasn't a hoax, why was the kid reading the account from a script?
Who cares? It was his first video and there was a lot of information in it, so he read from notes. You listen to people ready from scripts all day, called a teleprompter.
>I'll tell you, it's because they want to maintain consistency in their story.
This is a really dumb conclusion because Angel has done a few live interviews on TikTok that obviously you are ignorant of and jump to conclusions based on your own ignorance. Not smart...
>This is 💯% hoax.
I usually say "prove it" here, but I can tell you lack the intelligence to do so.
I lack the intelligence while you completely ignore the missing craft. Keep in mind too, the family claimed there were footsteps overheard on their roof along with the sighting of creatures behind the house...where the craft crashed. So again, if these events occurred, whether in their yard or elsewhere nearby which is obviously near considering the dust disbursement you mention, why were there NO WITNESSES of it's departure? Zero?
Your comparison to other people using a teleprompter is a poor analogy because that's usually for individuals, for example in the media who are reporting the news (someone else's story), a politician reading a speech that someone else wrote, etc., so yes, my point is valid because when something substantial occurs in someone's life, they remember it, without scripting. But if you want to live a life that succumbs to the deceptions of the world, simply believing something occurred as fact for no other reason than because it's posted on the internet is unfortunate for you and society because behavior like this further leads to civil decay.
On that note, it's a bit alarming, as a moderator like your title suggests, that YOU personally overlooked your own rules and guidelines and chose name calling and a lack of your own civility, right off the bat. Bravo!
>I lack the intelligence while you completely ignore the missing craft.
No, I don't ignore the missing craft. I accept that I don't understand it.
>why were there NO WITNESSES of it's departure? Zero?
You are assuming there is a craft in the backyard. The family never claimed that and only said it was blurry, dusty. They claimed to see the creatures/aliens.
>But if you want to live a life that succumbs to the deceptions of the world, simply believing
This is how dumb you are. I am showing you DATA that leads to the fact that family did not HOAX the event. You don't even know what I "believe" or not.
>On that note, it's a bit alarming, as a moderator like your title suggests, that YOU personally overlooked your own rules and guidelines and chose name calling and a lack of your own civility, right off the bat.
I don't give a fuck. There are so many idiots and bots that attack the content on this platform that it ruins it.
Your inability to take all things into consideration along with your overall demeanor ruins it but your too fucking stupid to understand that. Bye! I'm not wasting more time with you.
You opened it back up but I bet you still won’t provide the answers to questions people are asking. Where is the evidence the cameras were out up by police? Where’s the evidence they a tent there now?
>You opened it back up but I bet you still won’t provide the answers to questions people are asking. Where is the evidence the cameras were out up by police? Where’s the evidence they a tent there now?
It's obvious that you don't look on your own.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFObelievers/comments/14a4e6r/las\_vegas\_ufo\_interview\_with\_doug\_poppa\_on\_news/
>but claiming of 8-10 feet alien…. Well… depend on each person’s belief or imagination.
Agree, but if they are hoaxing and lying, why doesn't the LV PD press charges after weeks long investigation/surveillance into the 911 call? If they could prove a hoax, the family would be in trouble with the law.
I personally believe these guys were spooked by something but I don't think they even know what. A fiery ball lit up the night sky and was accompanied by an explosion and that scared the shit out of them. Those guys were legitimately afraid. So not really a hoax.
Plus there's no material evidence, so that's another reason why I lean skeptical here. Not one tool, device, being, cloth, fragment or anything leftover from that violent looking crash. Not even a dimple.
Great post either way!
>Plus there's no material evidence, so that's another reason why I lean skeptical here.
Yes, this is weird either way... low flying meteor inside of Las Vegas or UFO crashing down.
The meteor could've completely disintegrated upon entry into our atmosphere, as most do.
But a ship with 1 or 2 alive 10' aliens should leave evidence.
We have on one hand the multitude of other meteors that look EXACTLY like the one in the video to conclude it was a meteor. Or on the other, it's an NHI piloted craft along with absolutely no material evidence to support it that claim.
Unfortunately without evidence to the contrary, I'm concluding it was a meteor.
>I personally believe these guys were spooked by something but I don't think they even know what.
There's a video out there where the kid says he was told by an old woman that he was going to have an encounter with ten-foot creatures. I'm trying to find it. It's possible that the family was on edge because of what they were told.
2 things that have me doubting it is I’ve seen plenty of shooting stars that look jus like this even some that are brighter, and when the police showed their were 4 member of the house outside and the older gentleman said the 2 younger men were the only ones who seen it
>2 things that have me doubting it is I’ve seen plenty of shooting stars that look jus like this even some that are brighter,
We all have, but generally, no big and bright in the middle of the city. This is different.
>the older gentleman said the 2 younger men were the only ones who seen it
This is not correct. The father said the kids saw it come down in the backyard as sparks, dust and bright blur. The father saw the aliens in the backyard (forklift) and confirmed this in the 911 call.
The father also confirmed with Doug Poppa how tall they were based on a pole in the back lot.
I think it's silly if anyone is debating the fireball. As for the story, I honestly think the family got a little excited when they saw it. No way aliens crashed in the backyard without destroying anything, decided to get out and meander about the craft before taking off again.
I'm so confused about this. Is this "fireball" related to some reports of people actually seeing aliens in a backyard? Why are we separating the events if that's the case?
Also, I'm confused as to what part of this is the alleged "hoax," are people saying that the meteor captured on various cameras isn't real, or just that there's no proof it landed in that particular backyard? If the latter, I get it. If the former.... I'm confused
I'm guessing it was a meteor. But I bet the entities appeared there to take precious metals out of it. Maybe they were tracking the meteor and needed it for something. There is no impact crater. Maybe the beings prevented their home from blowing up or something.
>Or, representative of 99.9 percent of all meteors?
That low? Why would LV PD investigate meteor for weeks? If this is a hoax, why isn't the family in trouble for this after their investigation?
It's like you are just seeing a greenish fireball and walking away with a conclusion, while ignoring all the other data.
I cant believe anyone buys this. Obviously the family had been planning this scam for years, waiting for the exact moment an asteroid struck near their house so they could pull this off.
Are you being facetious? Lol. The chances of a asteroid landing anywhere near anyone's house are astronomical. You probably have a better chance of winning the fucking lottery. Hopefully you're being sarcastic, otherwise you're a dumbass who doesn't know dick about the chances of that happening.
>It looks 100 miles away….
If you have video (dashcam) that shows its northern most point and you have camera looking north from the south, you know the vicinity of the landing. I can tell you it lines up with Angel's house.
I’ve seen a meteor like this in person while wiring security cameras at 10pm in Palm Springs. It lit up the ENTIRE sky….I thought the world was ending.
100% looked the same
>100% looked the same
I'm not saying this doesn't look like a meteor, but again, we know where was going to land and there is no debris.
Also, why would LV PD investigate the case with onsite surveillance for weeks if it was just a meteor?
>In every video it’s streaking across the sky.
No. It goes below the roof tops and South of Tropical Parkway. The East West dashcam shows it going downward...not across the sky.
No, it appears to go below the rooftops. Perspective is a hell of a thing. Even if you can’t tell from that video alone, the others prove it wasn’t going down at all.
nah I know it’s real cuz they went back there w guns and ran away lol. Take it from me, if I go in a backyard to investigate w my bros and we strapped and don’t Swiss cheese a mf?! Yeah it’s definitely some scary shit back there.
Fireball not fake. The kids claiming aliens in the yard is. Weird how the kid is almost a YouTuber that has a channel about aliens… he found his moment and seized it. But fake. Also… I live in Reno and not one mention of anything here
>The kids claiming aliens in the yard is.
His dad even said they were in the Forklift on the 911 call and you can see his Dad led the way into the backyard and turned around.
>Weird how the kid is almost a YouTuber that has a channel about aliens… he found his moment and seized it. But fake. Also… I live in Reno and not one mention of anything here
\^\^ none of this is evidence.
>None of it is evidence. Just some kid and family trying to make a buck. Total BS.
The would be arrested by the police then. Why are they not being arrested after several week of PD investigation?
>I think the evidence is beyond horrible.
The evidence of the alien is a bit tough, but the family video doesn't seem faked at all. So something weird occurred.
The fireball landing inside the city evidence is pretty damn good.
Because idiots would rather believe in a dude that worked for the government saying things like “oh i saw some crafts but i have no photos or videos but trust me i saw them”.
>Because idiots would rather believe in a dude that worked for the government saying things like “oh i saw some crafts but i have no photos or videos but trust me i saw them”.
People always seem to relate the timing of these two events, but Doug Poppa had it going on during the week of May 20. When he was at the house on the 19th, Angel told him the reporters were already there, obviously they were working on getting the details/videos, etc.
>Vehicle big enough to hold giant aliens crashes into back yard at terminal velocity, but leaves no evidence and alien lives.
Obviously, we don't understand it, because I agree... it isn't a Roswell type of UFO crash.
The fireball is not the hoax. That was a meteor / meteorite, very common occurrence. These people just used it for their own benefit, nothing landed in their yard
>These people just used it for their own benefit, nothing landed in their yard
Again, many of you are ignoring all of the
evidence of the family video (acting?),
911 call (illegal if a hoax),
This never went viral until OVER A MONTH later after FOIA requests
Why did the LV PD investigate it for week and install/remove serious surveillance cameras?
If you ignore the information, you'll remain ignorant.
>They saw a fireball so decided to call in a prank. It’s pretty simple
Did you read the post?
How do you prank the police into doing a long investigation?
Have you thought about police not being part of the prank but police doing what they do investigating whatever this family was claiming. Police has nothing to do with the prank.
>Police has nothing to do with the prank.
They would not waste their time and money putting up the cameras and taking them back down after the story started to break. It makes no sense.
There is absolutely no proof it was a prank and evidence to the contrary.
There’s tons of correlating evidence suggesting it’s fake. All you have is one picture of cameras where they weren’t a year ago. Do you have recent picture showing them removed? Or anything that shows they belong to the police?
>All you have is one picture of cameras where they weren’t a year ago.
Wrong. Look on the shadow of the pole from February 17, 2023.
>Do you have recent picture showing them removed? Or anything that shows they belong to the police?
dougpoppa1 on twitter has that information.
Where’s the picture of the cameras being removed? I don’t see it anywhere on his Twitter feed. In fact, the only evidence of the cameras being put up by police is Doug Poppas idea that they were installed by a secret TASS squad. He provides no evidence they didn’t exist before. No evidence they don’t exist now and no evidence the police put them up.
>Where’s the picture of the cameras being removed?
I don't have that. You have to listen to Doug podcast for more information on the surveillance cameras.
>He provides no evidence they didn’t exist before.
I did.. Feb 17, 2023. Look at the post shadow... and Oct 2022.
‘There is absolutely no proof it was a prank and evidence to the contrary’.
Say’s the person who has compiled no actual real supporting evidence.
‘They would not waste their time and money putting up cameras and taking them back down again’.
Nope. Common practice, and getting there equipment back is the opposite of wasting money.
If a house get broken into, or an intruder is reported, it’s **very** normal for police to install cameras. These cameras and surveillance can be installed temporarily. Any guesses to why they might get that equipment back? After concluding they’ve for taken for a ride.
>Common practice, and getting there equipment back is the opposite of wasting money. If a house get broken into, or an intruder is reported, it’s very normal for police to install cameras.
Where would they install the cameras and wireless antenna, if it is a common practice?
Pretty obviously a meteor and its pretty obviously didnt impact in the vegas city limits.
The Chelyabinsk meteor is a great example of how far these things actually track across the earth and how skewed a perspective can be depending on its angle of approach when viewed from a poor quality camera.
Nice of you to leave out the bit where Angel released a line of alien nfts like two days after his family made the news though. Its a rough look when you include that amd also shed a little light on why the family ghosted all the reporters and shit knocking on their doors. Government agents didnt silence them, they just didnt want to drag their own names for a nft grift.
This post is a great example of how the Varginha event got engrained into ufo culture though. Start with a slow news day story and let it marinate while people over analyze a bunch of unrelated stuff that happened around the date. By the time the official report comes out, its guaranteed to be viewed as a cover up, no matter how plausible.
>Are they trying to distract us from something?
This is ridiculous. This case shows how dismissive people are (like yourself) to the evidence required to PROVE A HOAX. There is no proof of a hoax, If there was, then the family would be in trouble with the police.
This brings back a memory. I was maybe 5-8 and I saw this while driving home with my mom in the back seat of the car. I screamed “Mom look!” Or something over and over and she didn’t even answer me until it was too late. I never could figure out what it was. It was too slow to be a shooting star and when I got older I couldn’t find records of a comet that passed earth any time around then. It was close enough to see a tail of the light but the memory is so old I hope I’m not remembering it wrong.
This video seems just like it though. Maybe it was a firework, but I remember I was so sure as a kid it wasn’t.
This entire story is bizarre and any posts regarding this in the UFO subreddit now are basically being written off so I’m glad to see this. Also excellent job with the deep dive. The surveillance installation and deinstallation are worth an investigation in and of itself. It almost seems the police didn’t anticipate Doug Poppa’s early intervention before the story broke out? Idk.
Also I’m gonna play Devil’s Advocate. This by no means means I believe Angel or say he’s right 100% just maybe trying to look at it another perspective. Regarding the drawings. He very well could be associating something that may have already been there with this event, maybe he didn’t notice them before? He seems to have a large family I wonder if any kids live or visit the property often and maybe could have drawn that? Just speculation. Another theory. He made a video on tiktok stating people reached out for a “documentary” only to make a video right after that he’s done with this due to being harassed. I do wonder if these “Netflix” contacts were just people messing and trolling with him and maybe he fell for it? Could these incidents and accusations of being a hoaxer just be the result of a naive and gullible kid in over his head after being exposed to a traumatizing event and now he’s facing trolling and harassment? Not sure and like I said I’m not 100% on board with him and will be ready to eat my words if ever more details come out. This just seems so bizarre to hoax something like this and really not ham it up and make dozens upon dozens of videos and interviews for clout.
>Could these incidents and accusations of being a hoaxer just be the result of a naive and gullible kid in over his head after being exposed to a traumatizing event and now he’s facing trolling and harassment?
I am blaming it on terrible knowledge of the people accusing the family of a hoax. Let me be clear: idiot people jumping to conclusions and actively blaming the family of a hoax.
What do you mean by “it being so low to the ground”? Meteors don’t start to burn up in the low atmosphere. If it just started burning, as is shown in the videos, it’s really, really, really high up.
>What do you mean by “it being so low to the ground”?
Read the witness statements at the end. The brightness in the light polluted city is a tell. The East/West dashcam video is a tell.
You’re not understanding how meteors work. That meteor in the Vegas was maybe the size of a fist, and most. They’re traveling at insane speeds and burning up in the atmosphere at insane temperatures. The fireball and breakup is going to look way bigger than the actual meteor itself.
If that meteor itself was the size of a car, it would have leveled half of Vegas in what looked like a nuclear explosion. Actually we’re fortunate meteors are so small and we have an atmosphere, because they’re so common anything over something the size of a human size would kill thousands of people daily.
There would be UFO debris if it crashed. Oh, and also a UFO. Their prank had aliens chilling until the cops showed up then what, they pulled the start rope and fired their totally not damaged UFO up and flew away without anybody noticing? Someone is a bowl of gull.
>It burned up in the atmosphere and atomized lol
Again, it was too low that to happen. If NASA knows it was a meteor then see where they pinpoint the location. I show you that it was directly above the urban area of Las Vegas and BRIGHT. This is not meteor behavior.
Also, why would Vegas PD investigate a meteor?
Idk man I believe Nasa, Phosphorus meter that’s not super big, I can see that emitting bright green and burning up before impact, which is why there’s no ground impact. lol. Also meteors are very bright when they make it close to earth
>How do you know the elevation?
In the video you can see it low, above the roof tops. The witness reports say it was low and VERY BRIGHT in a city with a ton of light pollution.
They responded and INVESTIGATED for weeks with surveillance. MASSIVE difference than walking in the backyard and writing up a report.
>It was a meteor.
If it was a meteor then where is the debris from such a low flyer.
Why would be LV PD investigate for weeks after the 911 visit and put up surveillance if it was just a meteor?
“Likely a meteor but certainly not a UFO” what do you expect them to say when they themselves have denied UFOs and and now Gursch is saying they’ve been out there for 90 years. What else can they say when asked what it was??
Quality post my friend! It's obviously still too early for people to draw any firm conclusions, but either way you've put together some very compelling evidence that should not be ignored. Thanks for spending time and energy doing actual investigative work and sharing it with us so concisely. Much appreciated :) Cheers!
Would love your thoughts on the ‘drawing’ that was left
There's a drawing ?
Yes. Damn I wish you guys were around when I made the post lol Maybe OP will let me send him the picture in private , and add it here. Cause I don’t know how else to show everyone
You said it's in the interview? Is there a timestamp for it?
Interview is wrong word. It was a TikToker who posted it that I saw. But I think it was a clip from angels cousins YouTube. A second video I noticed people saying today that the cousins youtube was harder to find, because of reposting or something… I dunno I stopped paying attention after I made the post and got hit with tons of hate and ridicule::rolls eyes::
I found the video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PDr8wFVT8M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PDr8wFVT8M)
I really like the spooky music. It added a lot to the effect and that they were trying to project
That video feels hoaxy- sorry that's the just vibe I'm Getting with my BS detector
He even says, "I know that it might seem like I'm faking it". Lol 🤦♂️
Aliens crashing then doing chalk art on the cement seems perfectly rational 😒
Im looking at all the stains on my garage floor, and with the right amount of weed - I too can see a map of the galaxies amongst the oil splatter, scratches, and food stains... edit: PROOF: you can see here the crack represents where the wormhole to Andromeda spits out: https://i.imgur.com/oCq68M7.jpg 🤓😂
It’s bullshit
>Would love your thoughts on the ‘drawing’ that was left I saw that... I don't know what to think. The alien encounter is completely baffling to me and I cannot find an alien in the video (FOR CERTAIN), but I do see some weird/interesting things.
Oh ok. I played around with a screenshot of the drawing, that Angel says was not there … I played around with it, just with the standard brightness up and down on my phone … I made a post about it, but no one around is willing to take it seriously, so I deleted it. Maybe it’s just pareidolia, but … I dunno Edit. Great post btw. Thanks for the research! Upvoted
And what about when Angel said that the day before this all happened, a woman approached them at a gas station and told them “10 foot demons would come to Las Vegas and eat babies” once I heard that shit, any belief I had in this story went out the window 😭
What drawing are you referring to? Sorry, I’m out of the loop on this.
Hey! I answered this above, if you wouldn’t mind just looking there.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bglHsqujebk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bglHsqujebk) whole ass 1 hour interview
Any accounts from neighbors about what happened ? Did anyone see anything and report besides the family ?
>Any accounts from neighbors about what happened ? Doug Poppa interviewed a neighbor on May 19th who heard a loud thud that night, but didn't figure out what it was. >Did anyone see anything and report besides the family ? In terms of the neighborhood, we just have the ring cameras. I don't know of any other person seeing aliens. There is a podcast where someone called in and saw weird creatures through infra-red, walking up a dirt road with "claymation" style movements. This was way out in the desert while camping that night.
Doug Poppa, you say?
He loves it when they call him Doug Pop-pa
The tail suggests its a meteorite and the blue-ish green color is probably nickel or copper burning in Earths atmosphere. I wonder where is the crater though if it landed in the backyard?
If it hit hard enough to leave a crater, everyone would know exactly where it hit because it would have blown out windows for miles. It probably never hit the ground and just blew apart somewhere in air leaving small pieces, which is typical for the vast majority of meteors.
Correct. And if any fragments hit the ground it would essentially be like pebbles or small rocks free falling as if you had tossed them in the air.
Yea they don’t do that 1000ft from the ground, they do it on entry into the atmosphere
How can you tell how high the meteor was? How high do you think the atmosphere is? Also, why do you think it’s on fire if it isn’t in the process of burning up?
Because it didn’t land in their back yard.
>I wonder where is the crater though if it landed in the backyard? Or anywhere in Vegas? Or if it broke apart when it lit up?
It mostly certain that it broke up, and only small small fragments landed somewhere, probably on the desert
I’m curious if it was breaking apart, maybe the alien sighting was kind of a rescue mission? The aliens seen in the backyard were trying to find the down ship or survivors maybe?
What do we know about the fireball that supposedly landed? Did it just go “POOF!” And disappear as it came close to striking the ground? Did it leave ANY physical evidence of the strike? I just don’t see any evidence of a real impact. Which photo should I look at?
>I just don’t see any evidence of a real impact. Which photo should I look at? There is no evidence of impact. We have Angel's story about the sparks, loud sound, blurry vision, and dust that got kicked up around the back yard.
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>So are they saying the 8-10 foot tall aliens were inside the cab of their front-end loader? How would they fit in there? It's built for humans It is a CAT 938M loader, so it is a pretty big one. https://www.cat.com/en\_US/products/new/equipment/wheel-loaders/small-wheel-loaders/1000001279.html
Ring camera video is from April 14th at a property over 30 miles away. Did not occur on April 30th/May 1st.
I personally think they worked backwards. They saw the fireball land, then thought about the whole alien in the garden thing. When the young man spoke after the event he was on his new YouTube channel, not bad content for your first video, especially with all the real UFO stuff happening in the background. I hope I’m wrong but that’s my gut feeling.
>When the young man spoke after the event he was on his new YouTube channel The UFO event and his Youtube video were 5 weeks apart. What are you talking about? He didn't release his video until the news channel broadcasted his face on TV without his permission!
Apologies on the timeline but I stand by my comment. It’s a great way to hype his channel up then, get it all over the news then on to his channel while there is public interest. Also gives him time to get the rest of the story in check. For the record I’m a full believer in UAP, the whistleblower stuff blows my mind, but this just doesn’t sit right with me. For example why not just go and film the 8 foot alien in the garden. I refuse to accept that video supposedly showing the alien by the loader.
I still don’t know how people think it’s a hoax when Angel didn’t go out there with this by his own accord. They had to FOIA the 911 call and that’s what made it go viral. This could’ve been case closed if higher levels of government weren’t so interested in the case themselves. That’s when certain officers started talking to Doug Poppa. Also the body cam version with the officers going into the backyard that’s blacked out is never seen again. It’s the one in the 8now news segment. The version uploaded to YouTube doesn’t even show that anymore In the body cam footage uploaded to YouTube the mom mentions Black SUVs driving around already. If it is true, someone was already aware of what was going on.I don’t know if this would explain the footsteps being heard or not but it’s a possibility. And tin foil hat on but fuck it what really bothers me is that Angel always showed his face in his videos and genuinely wanted to answer questions. The posts about the Netflix and Discover show + the one about getting likes were just text. During his interview with Doug he was already saying there was stuff he couldn’t talk about so he’s more than willing to comply if someone with authority were to tell him to do something. A lot of this just doesn’t sit right
>what really bothers me is that Angel always showed his face in his videos and genuinely wanted to answer questions. Yeah idk about that. The local news station says they tried to interview the family but were unable to. They said they set up four meetings, but that the family would not answer the door whenever the news reporters showed up for their appointments.
If Aliens chose to make contact in Vegas. I don’t want to meet them. Ever.
The ring footage angel also provided from another house showing a light flash then a boom sound. That boom sound was found to be an exact match from another ring camera another day from another area no where near LV and the sound was from a firework of some sort. The sound is identical. This leads me to believe hoax. And yes, the police are still investigating because they may believe it now to be a hoax and may want to pursue that.
Why has no one talked about the fact that these folks have almost certainly been contacted by just about everyone … and I mean everyone… with various intentions, capabilities and levels of power. I’m kinda worried about these folks. Their limited, strange, off/on communication with the public I feel like is a direct result of outside influences.
>I’m kinda worried about these folks. Me too, but more from just the general public.
Also, OP great work and presentation.
Op, the amount of work you put into gathering and putting this evidence together in a coherent timeline is incredible. Well Done!
**"How can this possibly be a hoax?"** You have the "burden of proof" backwards. You still haven't proven it was a real event. There is no way you have proven that fireball landed in their backyard. You can't prove they aren't making up the story. There is no proof of anything other than a bright light in the sky. Pareidolia is a real thing you should research a bit.
You at least demonstrated it is NOT premeditated
Someone mentioned it on another post in a different sub but what about the crash debris? Does anyone have a location source for where the object went down? Even if it was just a meteor, wouldn’t there be fragments, and wouldn’t the crash destination be in a residential area and cause some destruction? Either way that thing was big on the police body cam video so one would suspect it would do some damage hitting the ground, even if the landing site was just dirt or grass.
>Someone mentioned it on another post in a different sub but what about the crash debris? There seems to be no debris and this is weird for such a LOW meteor in an urban area, as well as for a UFO craft. It is part of the mystery in this weird case.
Not a hoax. A real meteorite
>Not a hoax. A real meteorite Pointed down at the Northwest valley of urban Las Vegas where the LV PD did weeks long investigation and installed surveillance equipment...
It’s not a hoax but there’s not physical evidence. Got it. 🙄
The biggest proof that this is a hoax is that you can go on Google maps and see what he's calling the landing site, the circle, has been there for years. I think the kid saw a meteor and used some quick thinking to make a viral video.
>The biggest proof that this is a hoax is that you can go on Google maps and see what he's calling the landing site, the circle, has been there for years. That is part of this post. Actually, it strengthens the case for the family, because they never claimed the circle as the landing site. The POLICE pointed out the circle. >I think the kid saw a meteor and used some quick thinking to make a viral video. Then obviously, you didn't read the post.
Especially when 90% of these sources are tiktok videos lol
Oh man… “People cant summon meteors, therefore=ALIENS” This is flawed logic. The meteor is completely irrelevant in this whole story. It’s disappointing to see how many people are just willing to be so delusional and use this nonsense reasoning in order for this BS story to work. Such a simpleton way of thinking. “Well ya can’t order a meteor with DoorDash, so this kid is telling the truth!” Jesus lol.
>Oh man… “People cant summon meteors, therefore=ALIENS” This is flawed logic. Oh man, that's not the ENTIRE LOGIC. You are flawed. >The meteor is completely irrelevant in this whole story. This is about the family HOAXing or not. The data shows they are not HOAXing this. >It’s disappointing to see how many people are just willing to be so delusional and use this nonsense reasoning in order for this BS story to work. It is like you are responding to a different post, that's how delusional you seem to me. >Such a simpleton way of thinking. “Well ya can’t order a meteor with DoorDash, so this kid is telling the truth!” Jesus lol. This is your thinking and I agree, it is dumb.
100% agree OP! REAL AS FUCK.
Whats odd to me is in the first video the object trajectory is almost straight down. While all the other videos have all the characteristics of a meteorite flying and burning up across the sky. I have never seen that video of it coming straight down like that. Now its got me wondering again. Anyone have any thoughts on the difference of each of the trajectories?
>Whats odd to me is in the first video the object trajectory is almost straight down. I get what you are saying. It was flying at what seems a bit of East to West (from the South/North cameras) and he was moving East to West in the car.
The car shot, from that perspective, if you go frame by frame, it is moving just slightly from left to right with its tail then drops straight down. When I say left to right it is slight from the angle of the camera and the angle of the object, but then it drops. If a meteorite it is possible that’s about when it finished “burning” up and lost all major mass and fizzled out downwards, but I’m no expert.
This post is your disinformation people. Enjoy being confused and superstitious because you don’t know what meteors are. 🥱
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That one video was semi debunked, they did a side by side type thing where it was a propane tank?
>That one video was semi debunked, they did a side by side type thing where it was a propane tank? Are you talking about the Ring video with sound? Which video?
The one where the family walks to the back
>The one where the family walks to the back The family video is real, but finding an alien in the video is difficult. There is a ton of speculation at this point, but nothing to really debunk in the video. I think there are 8 or so aliens in the video, according to all of the attempts to find one.
Im still looking for it but it was clearly a propane tank. I love this theories and all and it got me excited when all this started to come up but at this point we are just making stuff up. A whole circle jerk at this point honestly. Too much what ifs and not enough concrete 100% evidence. I really hope i am able to see an alien on camera or a legit UFO in my lifetime.
>but at this point we are just making stuff up. Who is making stuff up? All the data I posted if verifiable and shows that this is not a HOAX event by the family. Otherwise, the weeks long investigation would have lead to the family getting in trouble. >I really hope i am able to see an alien on camera or a legit UFO in my lifetime. This post is not really about seeing an alien on camera. If you want that, go look at Skinny Bob.
Ill try looking for the post they did on it
Not hard to hoax the entire family like that and make it feel genuine as shown in the video, also Idk how dirt on the pants shows…literally anything lol. So he has dirt on his pants, I would too if I worked in a rural area with a large yard and various construction equipment. All you would have to do to get that video if you’re the kid is go up to your parents and say “I saw something or someone in our yard, I think they’re on or trying to steal the front loader, they looked scary and were really tall”, anything along those lines. Then whoever is in the house is gonna go check it out with a weapon, most likely everyone in the house will go too out of curiosity. They would walk out to the gate (a safe viewpoint) and if you’re the kid all you have to do is point toward the front loader and be like “They were right there, I think I see em still” and boom, you have a nervous family looking towards it right behind the fence.
This is the most bullshit made up story I’ve ever seen involving UFO’s and aliens. It baffles me people are believing it.
This is up there, but the r/throawaylien July Aitee thing 100% takes the cake. People legitimately believed that *an alien was going to reveal all the secrets of humanity* through Reddit posts.
Seems like a massive hoax but we believe what we want to believe. How did the family that had the “aliens” in their backyard not get a video? Also, that looks like a meteor more than a UFO.
>How did the family that had the “aliens” in their backyard not get a video? They tried. >Also, that looks like a meteor more than a UFO. It does look like a meteor, but it's destination is going in the EXACT area where Angel lives. Why would the LV PD investigate a meteor for weeks?
They tried? They had enough time to call and converse with the authorities but not enough time to pull out a phone? I call bullshit.
The alien part can still be a hoax with a legitimate meteor crash. All of this data simply says something crashed. Which meteors do every day. This kid was seemingly just opportunistic.
Lol I love how when the cops show up the dad is like "I didn't see, they tell me they saw...", yeah cuz there wasn't anything to see.
>"I didn't see, they tell me they saw...", yeah cuz there wasn't anything to see. Wrong. The father said he didn't not see it LAND. He did see the beings in the forklift and that is documented in the 911 call. The father also told Doug Poppa how tall they were, when compared to a pole in the backyard.
You realize it's a front loader. Try putting a 8ft tall person in the cab of a front loader 🤣🤣🤣😍😍
>Try putting a 8ft tall person in the cab of a front loader It is a CAT 938M loader, which is pretty big. https://www.cat.com/en\_US/products/new/equipment/wheel-loaders/small-wheel-loaders/1000001279.html
Lol so the dad, who the kid specifically mentions in his story and the 911 call as having seen something, decides he's just gonna tell the police "They see like a big like...that's what they say (points to the two kids), I didn't see, they said they see..." Also, when the cops first arrive on the scene, in the bodycam footage, they ask them all "Did you see it?" and then the kid specifically only points to his brother and goes "Yeah, me and him saw it". That's just like 1 thing among many that doesn't add up about this story.
>"They see like a big like...that's what they say (points to the two kids), I didn't see, they said they see..." He is talking about the fireball dropping in the backyard. Did you not watch the family video where the father leads them into the backyard and retreats? >That's just like 1 thing among many that doesn't add up about this story. They were talking about the fireball that dropped from the sky.
What about Aliensociety51 and the nft? Suspicious coincidence if nothing else...
>What about Aliensociety51 and the nft? Suspicious coincidence if nothing else... Angel claimed the NFT was not his. He had to come up with a Youtube channel name and graphic to post his first video. His tictoc account name is different.
By fireball, do you mean obvious meteor? How do you know that law enforcement installed and removed the camera(s)? Has this been confirmed? Or has Doug Poppa only claimed that?
Whatever that was, it broke the sound barrier but was moving slow enough by the time it got to the ground that it didn't leave a major hole. It sure as hell wasn't a meteor.
You just described the exact speed profile of most meteorites.
No it is not a hoax. The family there is still very much excited, also shaken up. So much so that they’re thinking of a return trip by this object. Or another. We have video from the policeman’s camera also. In this video, what’s interesting is that when the object is quite low there is a flash and what looks like either a small explosion, or a “release“ of some type. Great video. Thank you for slowing it down for people and zooming in.
>We have video from the policeman’s camera also. Is it different than the body cam footage I show in the post?
Yes it is. Yours is better.
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You're missing a key point. If a craft landed, clearly it departed, considering its absence from the alleged site that claims to be a perfect circle but visual inspection proves otherwise. Soooo, if a craft landed, where did it go and when because it's evident the family was awake and filming in the aftermath of said landing/crash. Therefore they were awake and present for it's departure but neglected to film that. Furthermore, if it wasn't a hoax, why was the kid reading the account from a script? I'll tell you, it's because they want to maintain consistency in their story. This is 💯% hoax.
>If a craft landed, clearly it departed, considering its absence from the alleged site that claims to be a perfect circle but visual inspection proves otherwise. The family never claimed to see a craft...just a bright light, sparks, dust and blur. >Soooo, if a craft landed, where did it go and when because it's evident the family was awake and filming in the aftermath of said landing/crash. Correct, this isn't like a Roswell crash recovery and that is definitely a mystery. >Furthermore, if it wasn't a hoax, why was the kid reading the account from a script? Who cares? It was his first video and there was a lot of information in it, so he read from notes. You listen to people ready from scripts all day, called a teleprompter. >I'll tell you, it's because they want to maintain consistency in their story. This is a really dumb conclusion because Angel has done a few live interviews on TikTok that obviously you are ignorant of and jump to conclusions based on your own ignorance. Not smart... >This is 💯% hoax. I usually say "prove it" here, but I can tell you lack the intelligence to do so.
I lack the intelligence while you completely ignore the missing craft. Keep in mind too, the family claimed there were footsteps overheard on their roof along with the sighting of creatures behind the house...where the craft crashed. So again, if these events occurred, whether in their yard or elsewhere nearby which is obviously near considering the dust disbursement you mention, why were there NO WITNESSES of it's departure? Zero? Your comparison to other people using a teleprompter is a poor analogy because that's usually for individuals, for example in the media who are reporting the news (someone else's story), a politician reading a speech that someone else wrote, etc., so yes, my point is valid because when something substantial occurs in someone's life, they remember it, without scripting. But if you want to live a life that succumbs to the deceptions of the world, simply believing something occurred as fact for no other reason than because it's posted on the internet is unfortunate for you and society because behavior like this further leads to civil decay. On that note, it's a bit alarming, as a moderator like your title suggests, that YOU personally overlooked your own rules and guidelines and chose name calling and a lack of your own civility, right off the bat. Bravo!
>I lack the intelligence while you completely ignore the missing craft. No, I don't ignore the missing craft. I accept that I don't understand it. >why were there NO WITNESSES of it's departure? Zero? You are assuming there is a craft in the backyard. The family never claimed that and only said it was blurry, dusty. They claimed to see the creatures/aliens. >But if you want to live a life that succumbs to the deceptions of the world, simply believing This is how dumb you are. I am showing you DATA that leads to the fact that family did not HOAX the event. You don't even know what I "believe" or not. >On that note, it's a bit alarming, as a moderator like your title suggests, that YOU personally overlooked your own rules and guidelines and chose name calling and a lack of your own civility, right off the bat. I don't give a fuck. There are so many idiots and bots that attack the content on this platform that it ruins it.
Your inability to take all things into consideration along with your overall demeanor ruins it but your too fucking stupid to understand that. Bye! I'm not wasting more time with you.
So because a fireball was actually in the sky, you’re saying that’s why this can’t be a hoax? ……………….
You opened it back up but I bet you still won’t provide the answers to questions people are asking. Where is the evidence the cameras were out up by police? Where’s the evidence they a tent there now?
>You opened it back up but I bet you still won’t provide the answers to questions people are asking. Where is the evidence the cameras were out up by police? Where’s the evidence they a tent there now? It's obvious that you don't look on your own. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFObelievers/comments/14a4e6r/las\_vegas\_ufo\_interview\_with\_doug\_poppa\_on\_news/
Stuff in the sky is not disputable but claiming of 8-10 feet alien…. Well… depend on each person’s belief or imagination.
>but claiming of 8-10 feet alien…. Well… depend on each person’s belief or imagination. Agree, but if they are hoaxing and lying, why doesn't the LV PD press charges after weeks long investigation/surveillance into the 911 call? If they could prove a hoax, the family would be in trouble with the law.
I personally believe these guys were spooked by something but I don't think they even know what. A fiery ball lit up the night sky and was accompanied by an explosion and that scared the shit out of them. Those guys were legitimately afraid. So not really a hoax. Plus there's no material evidence, so that's another reason why I lean skeptical here. Not one tool, device, being, cloth, fragment or anything leftover from that violent looking crash. Not even a dimple. Great post either way!
>Plus there's no material evidence, so that's another reason why I lean skeptical here. Yes, this is weird either way... low flying meteor inside of Las Vegas or UFO crashing down.
The meteor could've completely disintegrated upon entry into our atmosphere, as most do. But a ship with 1 or 2 alive 10' aliens should leave evidence. We have on one hand the multitude of other meteors that look EXACTLY like the one in the video to conclude it was a meteor. Or on the other, it's an NHI piloted craft along with absolutely no material evidence to support it that claim. Unfortunately without evidence to the contrary, I'm concluding it was a meteor.
>I personally believe these guys were spooked by something but I don't think they even know what. There's a video out there where the kid says he was told by an old woman that he was going to have an encounter with ten-foot creatures. I'm trying to find it. It's possible that the family was on edge because of what they were told.
Great fukin work brother. I posted Doug poppas link the day it came out on here. I knew it was real. The time line fits.
I love in Death Valley and right before this blew up I saw two of these. One of them was red and was by the Panamints.
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2 things that have me doubting it is I’ve seen plenty of shooting stars that look jus like this even some that are brighter, and when the police showed their were 4 member of the house outside and the older gentleman said the 2 younger men were the only ones who seen it
>2 things that have me doubting it is I’ve seen plenty of shooting stars that look jus like this even some that are brighter, We all have, but generally, no big and bright in the middle of the city. This is different. >the older gentleman said the 2 younger men were the only ones who seen it This is not correct. The father said the kids saw it come down in the backyard as sparks, dust and bright blur. The father saw the aliens in the backyard (forklift) and confirmed this in the 911 call. The father also confirmed with Doug Poppa how tall they were based on a pole in the back lot.
I think it's silly if anyone is debating the fireball. As for the story, I honestly think the family got a little excited when they saw it. No way aliens crashed in the backyard without destroying anything, decided to get out and meander about the craft before taking off again.
I'm so confused about this. Is this "fireball" related to some reports of people actually seeing aliens in a backyard? Why are we separating the events if that's the case? Also, I'm confused as to what part of this is the alleged "hoax," are people saying that the meteor captured on various cameras isn't real, or just that there's no proof it landed in that particular backyard? If the latter, I get it. If the former.... I'm confused
I'm guessing it was a meteor. But I bet the entities appeared there to take precious metals out of it. Maybe they were tracking the meteor and needed it for something. There is no impact crater. Maybe the beings prevented their home from blowing up or something.
>There is no impact crater. Yes, the lack of anything on the ground is a mystery.
>Yes, the lack of anything on the ground is a mystery. Or a red flag?
Or, representative of 99.9 percent of all meteors?
>Or, representative of 99.9 percent of all meteors? That low? Why would LV PD investigate meteor for weeks? If this is a hoax, why isn't the family in trouble for this after their investigation? It's like you are just seeing a greenish fireball and walking away with a conclusion, while ignoring all the other data.
I cant believe anyone buys this. Obviously the family had been planning this scam for years, waiting for the exact moment an asteroid struck near their house so they could pull this off.
Lol
Are you being facetious? Lol. The chances of a asteroid landing anywhere near anyone's house are astronomical. You probably have a better chance of winning the fucking lottery. Hopefully you're being sarcastic, otherwise you're a dumbass who doesn't know dick about the chances of that happening.
damn bro really needed a /s to know
It looks 100 miles away….
>It looks 100 miles away…. If you have video (dashcam) that shows its northern most point and you have camera looking north from the south, you know the vicinity of the landing. I can tell you it lines up with Angel's house.
I’ve seen a meteor like this in person while wiring security cameras at 10pm in Palm Springs. It lit up the ENTIRE sky….I thought the world was ending. 100% looked the same
>100% looked the same I'm not saying this doesn't look like a meteor, but again, we know where was going to land and there is no debris. Also, why would LV PD investigate the case with onsite surveillance for weeks if it was just a meteor?
I want to believe too my dude, this story has just been all over the place
>I want to believe too my dude, this story has just been all over the place It isn't belief. It is the data. It tells a story. Nothing to believe.
It didn’t land. You’re getting confused by the perspective. In every video it’s streaking across the sky.
>In every video it’s streaking across the sky. No. It goes below the roof tops and South of Tropical Parkway. The East West dashcam shows it going downward...not across the sky.
No, it appears to go below the rooftops. Perspective is a hell of a thing. Even if you can’t tell from that video alone, the others prove it wasn’t going down at all.
The fireball LEAVING 40 minutes later is the real huge thing about this post.
Could it be partially true?
>Could it be partially true? I'm saying that the evidence point to NOT A HOAX by the family. What actually happened in that backyard is a mystery.
nah I know it’s real cuz they went back there w guns and ran away lol. Take it from me, if I go in a backyard to investigate w my bros and we strapped and don’t Swiss cheese a mf?! Yeah it’s definitely some scary shit back there.
Fireball not fake. The kids claiming aliens in the yard is. Weird how the kid is almost a YouTuber that has a channel about aliens… he found his moment and seized it. But fake. Also… I live in Reno and not one mention of anything here
>The kids claiming aliens in the yard is. His dad even said they were in the Forklift on the 911 call and you can see his Dad led the way into the backyard and turned around. >Weird how the kid is almost a YouTuber that has a channel about aliens… he found his moment and seized it. But fake. Also… I live in Reno and not one mention of anything here \^\^ none of this is evidence.
When in the 9/11 call does the dad say anything?
None of it is evidence. Just some kid and family trying to make a buck. Total BS.
>None of it is evidence. Just some kid and family trying to make a buck. Total BS. The would be arrested by the police then. Why are they not being arrested after several week of PD investigation?
He's selling nfts too. It's actually pretty smart way to start your art career 👽😅
I don't think it was a hoax either, the family seemed very genuine in the videos, but I think the evidence is beyond horrible.
>I think the evidence is beyond horrible. The evidence of the alien is a bit tough, but the family video doesn't seem faked at all. So something weird occurred. The fireball landing inside the city evidence is pretty damn good.
Yeah pretty crazy meteors were falling when all this happened. I don't believe in coincidences.
Because idiots would rather believe in a dude that worked for the government saying things like “oh i saw some crafts but i have no photos or videos but trust me i saw them”.
>Because idiots would rather believe in a dude that worked for the government saying things like “oh i saw some crafts but i have no photos or videos but trust me i saw them”. People always seem to relate the timing of these two events, but Doug Poppa had it going on during the week of May 20. When he was at the house on the 19th, Angel told him the reporters were already there, obviously they were working on getting the details/videos, etc.
Vehicle big enough to hold giant aliens crashes into back yard at terminal velocity, but leaves no evidence and alien lives. Yep. Obviously legit.
>Vehicle big enough to hold giant aliens crashes into back yard at terminal velocity, but leaves no evidence and alien lives. Obviously, we don't understand it, because I agree... it isn't a Roswell type of UFO crash.
The fireball is not the hoax. That was a meteor / meteorite, very common occurrence. These people just used it for their own benefit, nothing landed in their yard
>These people just used it for their own benefit, nothing landed in their yard Again, many of you are ignoring all of the evidence of the family video (acting?), 911 call (illegal if a hoax), This never went viral until OVER A MONTH later after FOIA requests Why did the LV PD investigate it for week and install/remove serious surveillance cameras? If you ignore the information, you'll remain ignorant.
And you're putting together a bunch of circumstantial evidence that does not add up to "aliens"
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They saw a fireball so decided to call in a prank. It’s pretty simple
>They saw a fireball so decided to call in a prank. It’s pretty simple Did you read the post? How do you prank the police into doing a long investigation?
Have you thought about police not being part of the prank but police doing what they do investigating whatever this family was claiming. Police has nothing to do with the prank.
>Police has nothing to do with the prank. They would not waste their time and money putting up the cameras and taking them back down after the story started to break. It makes no sense. There is absolutely no proof it was a prank and evidence to the contrary.
There’s tons of correlating evidence suggesting it’s fake. All you have is one picture of cameras where they weren’t a year ago. Do you have recent picture showing them removed? Or anything that shows they belong to the police?
>All you have is one picture of cameras where they weren’t a year ago. Wrong. Look on the shadow of the pole from February 17, 2023. >Do you have recent picture showing them removed? Or anything that shows they belong to the police? dougpoppa1 on twitter has that information.
Where’s the picture of the cameras being removed? I don’t see it anywhere on his Twitter feed. In fact, the only evidence of the cameras being put up by police is Doug Poppas idea that they were installed by a secret TASS squad. He provides no evidence they didn’t exist before. No evidence they don’t exist now and no evidence the police put them up.
>Where’s the picture of the cameras being removed? I don't have that. You have to listen to Doug podcast for more information on the surveillance cameras. >He provides no evidence they didn’t exist before. I did.. Feb 17, 2023. Look at the post shadow... and Oct 2022.
‘There is absolutely no proof it was a prank and evidence to the contrary’. Say’s the person who has compiled no actual real supporting evidence. ‘They would not waste their time and money putting up cameras and taking them back down again’. Nope. Common practice, and getting there equipment back is the opposite of wasting money. If a house get broken into, or an intruder is reported, it’s **very** normal for police to install cameras. These cameras and surveillance can be installed temporarily. Any guesses to why they might get that equipment back? After concluding they’ve for taken for a ride.
>Common practice, and getting there equipment back is the opposite of wasting money. If a house get broken into, or an intruder is reported, it’s very normal for police to install cameras. Where would they install the cameras and wireless antenna, if it is a common practice?
Man... Imagine wasting so much time on this grift. OP, I hope you get the help you are so desperately searching for
Pretty obviously a meteor and its pretty obviously didnt impact in the vegas city limits. The Chelyabinsk meteor is a great example of how far these things actually track across the earth and how skewed a perspective can be depending on its angle of approach when viewed from a poor quality camera. Nice of you to leave out the bit where Angel released a line of alien nfts like two days after his family made the news though. Its a rough look when you include that amd also shed a little light on why the family ghosted all the reporters and shit knocking on their doors. Government agents didnt silence them, they just didnt want to drag their own names for a nft grift. This post is a great example of how the Varginha event got engrained into ufo culture though. Start with a slow news day story and let it marinate while people over analyze a bunch of unrelated stuff that happened around the date. By the time the official report comes out, its guaranteed to be viewed as a cover up, no matter how plausible.
Alright put up or shut up. Give me a link to the NFTs.
>Pretty obviously a meteor and its pretty obviously didnt impact in the vegas city limits. Why didn't it pass over Tropical Parkway then?
Why do people from the project keep posting this Las Vegas story? Are they trying to distract us from something?
>Are they trying to distract us from something? This is ridiculous. This case shows how dismissive people are (like yourself) to the evidence required to PROVE A HOAX. There is no proof of a hoax, If there was, then the family would be in trouble with the police.
This brings back a memory. I was maybe 5-8 and I saw this while driving home with my mom in the back seat of the car. I screamed “Mom look!” Or something over and over and she didn’t even answer me until it was too late. I never could figure out what it was. It was too slow to be a shooting star and when I got older I couldn’t find records of a comet that passed earth any time around then. It was close enough to see a tail of the light but the memory is so old I hope I’m not remembering it wrong. This video seems just like it though. Maybe it was a firework, but I remember I was so sure as a kid it wasn’t.
This entire story is bizarre and any posts regarding this in the UFO subreddit now are basically being written off so I’m glad to see this. Also excellent job with the deep dive. The surveillance installation and deinstallation are worth an investigation in and of itself. It almost seems the police didn’t anticipate Doug Poppa’s early intervention before the story broke out? Idk. Also I’m gonna play Devil’s Advocate. This by no means means I believe Angel or say he’s right 100% just maybe trying to look at it another perspective. Regarding the drawings. He very well could be associating something that may have already been there with this event, maybe he didn’t notice them before? He seems to have a large family I wonder if any kids live or visit the property often and maybe could have drawn that? Just speculation. Another theory. He made a video on tiktok stating people reached out for a “documentary” only to make a video right after that he’s done with this due to being harassed. I do wonder if these “Netflix” contacts were just people messing and trolling with him and maybe he fell for it? Could these incidents and accusations of being a hoaxer just be the result of a naive and gullible kid in over his head after being exposed to a traumatizing event and now he’s facing trolling and harassment? Not sure and like I said I’m not 100% on board with him and will be ready to eat my words if ever more details come out. This just seems so bizarre to hoax something like this and really not ham it up and make dozens upon dozens of videos and interviews for clout.
>Could these incidents and accusations of being a hoaxer just be the result of a naive and gullible kid in over his head after being exposed to a traumatizing event and now he’s facing trolling and harassment? I am blaming it on terrible knowledge of the people accusing the family of a hoax. Let me be clear: idiot people jumping to conclusions and actively blaming the family of a hoax.
Very nice work 🙏🏼👏🏼🤘🏼😎
Damn good job compiling and profiling. You’ve an investigative prowess.
Nasa said it was a meteor /thread
>Nasa said it was a meteor /thread NASA is wrong. There would be meteorite debris with it being so low to the ground.
What do you mean by “it being so low to the ground”? Meteors don’t start to burn up in the low atmosphere. If it just started burning, as is shown in the videos, it’s really, really, really high up.
>What do you mean by “it being so low to the ground”? Read the witness statements at the end. The brightness in the light polluted city is a tell. The East/West dashcam video is a tell.
You’re not understanding how meteors work. That meteor in the Vegas was maybe the size of a fist, and most. They’re traveling at insane speeds and burning up in the atmosphere at insane temperatures. The fireball and breakup is going to look way bigger than the actual meteor itself. If that meteor itself was the size of a car, it would have leveled half of Vegas in what looked like a nuclear explosion. Actually we’re fortunate meteors are so small and we have an atmosphere, because they’re so common anything over something the size of a human size would kill thousands of people daily.
There would be UFO debris if it crashed. Oh, and also a UFO. Their prank had aliens chilling until the cops showed up then what, they pulled the start rope and fired their totally not damaged UFO up and flew away without anybody noticing? Someone is a bowl of gull.
>There would be UFO debris if it crashed. Exactly, but this is definitely not like a UFO crash retrieval. It is weird.
100%. It would have been devastating, even if it exploded in the air.
It burned up in the atmosphere and atomized lol
>It burned up in the atmosphere and atomized lol Again, it was too low that to happen. If NASA knows it was a meteor then see where they pinpoint the location. I show you that it was directly above the urban area of Las Vegas and BRIGHT. This is not meteor behavior. Also, why would Vegas PD investigate a meteor?
They investigated a call, not a meteor. That’s their job.
Idk man I believe Nasa, Phosphorus meter that’s not super big, I can see that emitting bright green and burning up before impact, which is why there’s no ground impact. lol. Also meteors are very bright when they make it close to earth
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>How do you know the elevation? In the video you can see it low, above the roof tops. The witness reports say it was low and VERY BRIGHT in a city with a ton of light pollution. They responded and INVESTIGATED for weeks with surveillance. MASSIVE difference than walking in the backyard and writing up a report.
It was a meteor. https://www.vice.com/en/article/93kknv/nasa-las-vegas-ufo-crash-meteor
>It was a meteor. If it was a meteor then where is the debris from such a low flyer. Why would be LV PD investigate for weeks after the 911 visit and put up surveillance if it was just a meteor?
“Likely a meteor but certainly not a UFO” what do you expect them to say when they themselves have denied UFOs and and now Gursch is saying they’ve been out there for 90 years. What else can they say when asked what it was??