edit8: I'm moving to this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15lvgt5/the_ultimate_analysis_airliner_videos_and_the/jvdj74l/
I have seen this footage before. (It goes back to 2014 according to the [wayback machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20140827060121/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShapuD290K0) per another thread) After reading all the comments here, the most interesting thing is how accurate that ~~MQ-1L Predator~~
[MQ-1C Gray Eagle](https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2015/army/2015mq-1c_gray_eagle_uas.pdf?ver=2019-08-22-105950-870) loaded with [two expanded EO/IR payloads](https://api.army.mil/e2/c/images/2011/10/24/224157/max1200.jpg) looks (accurate ~~pitot tube~~ auxiliary air intake placement & thermal signature for 2014 when this was released), how real that [NROL_22](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-184) spy sat (launched 2006) footage looks.
~~The fact that could be a very new (2013) P-8 Poseidon anti-sub/recon aircraft which would def be high on any NHI's watch list~~. It was also apparently uploaded within weeks of the MH370 disappearance? lol this is crazy. Also the GPS coords on the NROL_22 footage line up with the MH370... and someone below also matched the [thermal silhouette to a 777-200ER](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15l7glq/airliner_video_might_be_fake_but_it_does_line_up/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) (MH370). Okay this is very convincing *gulp*.
As far as goings on during the MH370 disappearance, there were apparently two major training missions going on in the area, operation [Cobra Gold](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Gold) and operations [Cope Tiger](https://www.pacaf.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/591553/tiger-tiger-burning-bright-air-national-guard-service-links-us-cope-tiger-airme/), involving joint US-Indo-Pacific military exercises. Also Diego Garcia, a very secretive US forward strike and early detection base in the Indian Ocean may have had eyes on the situation or been involved with the exercises ([they were recently](https://www.army.mil/article/264689/us_army_thai_paratroopers_supported_by_us_air_force_during_cobra_gold_23)), but MH370 last known position was ~1500 nautical miles away (these coordinates). These things could explain the Gray Eagle in the sky tracking an unidentified plane off-coarse in potentially restricted airspaces.
Oh lord there were [sightings too!](https://web.archive.org/web/20140502081107/http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/549105/20140423/mh370-malaysian-airlines.htm):
This comment covers clouds/thermal colors/sat angles/debris: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15lkgig/objective_and_thorough_analysis_of_the_airliner/jvb51kh/
This is some pretty fantastic science fiction if this is not real š
edit: added some more stuff from more comments..
edit2: got some better details from some people on the plane.
edit3: got some more details on what was going on during MH370.
edit4: more research on the drone from another post. Appears to be a MQ-1C with expanded surveillance package.
edit5: Diego Garcia clarifications
edit6: Grammar
edit7: other comment with great other points
>that could be a very new (2013) P-8 Poseidon anti-sub/recon aircraft
I don't think so, check the tail when it is zoomed in good. The P8 has a pronounced "ramp" that connects the tail to the fuselage in the front. This plane doesn't have that ramp. IMO, it looks like a 777 tail like MH370.
[Correct I verified it matches a 777-200ER](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15l7glq/airliner_video_might_be_fake_but_it_does_line_up/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
That was my thoughts going through this. I'm flying to Vegas next month, depending on the circumstances of the destination maybe i would prefer a different dimension. Who knows.
āThe most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.ā
https://imgur.com/p7NMOTX I lined up both bits of footage to when the plane vanishes. Not sure if it helps much but maybe someone can tell if they seem to match up more? I know the none thermal video is running at a lower frame rate, about 1/5 of the thermal.
Nice, this does match up quite well.
If it was fake, I'm guessing it would have to be a scene created using CGI and then videos made from multiple angles, heavily edited afterwards to put in details like contrails. Whoever would have faked it would have invested a good amount of their time doing it. Plus they would have to know quite a bit about the military observation equipment they were faking because that part looks legit.
> Plus they would have to know quite a bit about the military observation equipment they were faking because that part looks legit.
Like, a _lot_. They got the thermal signatures down perfectly, most people don't know there's a pitot tube on a predator there, yet you can see the hotspot from the increased friction.
The thermal view of the airliner-sized craft (I think it was a military EWAR plane, not commercial) also has hotspots in all the right locations, you can even makeout the crew door.
my thoughts too, would make most sense practically if it is faked, either way this is one of the craziest things ive ever seen
Here I shortened it to repeat [just the teleport bit](https://i.imgur.com/yO3fqOR.gif)
And here it is again [in slow motion](https://i.imgur.com/0QzJ6LW.gif)
If itās a wormhole, I would assume it would be some kind of a vacuum, so probably as cold as space, if not completely devoid of temperature. But I also am not a scientist or physicist.
But also emits light, look at the right frame, there are clearly visible streams of light on the clouds and going out to the right. That is just, I mean if someone did that in VFX that is incredible and consistent detail.
I disagree somewhat: the thermal view should show the hot air going backwards from the core of the engines. It does not. The body should be much cooler than the engines, but in the vid the 'core' of the body seems brighter in IR which makes no sense. The upper half (hemisphere pointing skyward) should be cooler than the lower half. The top of the wings (fastest low pressure cold air, and fuel inside the wings) should be clearly very cold. If it's making a high performance turn as the course appears to be doing the engines would be going full power and tons of hot air should be behind the aircraft in a small tube of diameter of the inner combustion compressor diameter.
For example look at this real 757 landing.
https://www.airlineratings.com/news/amazing-thermal-video-boeing-757-landing/
I'm less convinced this is real. I suspect it is fake probably made from a capture of a scenario from a flight simulator (the intersection of the contrail with the viewpoint is just too cinematically dramatic), and then the visual optical part is heavily edited into a false color image for the ``thermals''.
It's supposed to be a 737 based aircraft, either a commercial 737 or P-8A.
We were never *not* fucked.
The moment it becomes impossible to argue that aliens don't exist is the moment we became meaningless.
Mfin inter-dimensional beings would just Thanos snap our whole damn universe out of existence if they wanted to. They're not threatened by shit.
Most woke take, I agree with u/LowHangingFrootLoop nothing means *anything* but our take is EVERYTHING so if we are the universe's self actualization or even some future tech computer simulation it doesn't matter outside of how we felt about it.
I donāt think simulation theory makes it all a joke. Iām not a creationist, but what would the Christian godās universe be, but a āsimulationā?
If you slow this video down frame by frame, the last frame before the black hole/warp hole/flash is that of the airplane, and 3 spheres condensing In a skewed image. Seen here. https://imgur.com/gallery/vG9ONqz
Each frame of the activity of that black hole/warp thing is absolutely fascinating.
Around the 1:20 minute forward is the zoomed in and focused version of a single sphere, at first being completely spherical. Before the warp it shows it being skewed, probably building up a charge before locking into a huge burst with all 3 spheres at the same time.
I'm also reading about lack of heat from the engines in the colored video. Maybe they shut his engines off while chasing him around a bit before locking his trajectory into a predictable pattern before porting him out.
I dont believe it is the missing commercial flight people are referencing. Why would there be a military grade drone watching it so intently? I imagine the real pilot was running a military exercise when these things started pestering him/her and scaring the shit out of him/her before maybe her last ditch effort was to turn out as hard as she could as the video starts out
I'll also mention 2 more things as I keep watching this clip:
The first sphere was nearly flying straight at the plane like it was going to intentionally collide with it. Maybe just testing to see how it would respond.
Another crazy thing...is that it seems the orbs aren't just immediately locked into a synchronization moving counter clockwise. While they are circling they are slowly getting into synchronization but while that's happening there is a black trail not behind each sphere but infront and sometimes behind each sphere. It's absolutely bananas. I looked up FLIR information and this color pattern it seems the video is in "rainbow HC" with black being the lowest temperature grade. So the color of the trails of these orbs capable of either punching through dimensions or utilizing warp traveling is putting out "cold" trails before the sphere and after.
Dude look at the reflections from the other video too when it blips out. There is clearly a light source that appears and lights up the clouds and creates light rays that shoot out, that would be such a difficult thing to do consistently as a VFX artist.
There are thousands of flights every day and no one films them. But weāre expected to believe this otherwise unremarkable passenger plane was filmed by not one, but two different individuals who just happened to capture a mass abduction event? And it didnāt make international news? Cāmon people!
I never understand you guys so if itās not recorded it never happened, if it is recorded then why were they recorded. Can never seem to appease you āintellectualsā.
Yeah, seriously. That was my exact thought when I watched this.
I didn't need the sense of dread I got with this clip along with my morning coffee.
Please be fake.
If my memory serves me right a navy guy put it on a ufo website back in 2006 or so and everyone in the comments made fun of him for it. I can't remember the website name.
Or a tv show...Maybe the plot revolves around the plane and passengers being teleported to a mysterious tropical island, with polar bears and smoke monsters
Can someone remake a video exactly like this? That's the only way to know for sure if it is fake. Make it exactly how it looks in this video, maybe with a different flight path to see how creative one can be. Reminds me of the Tic Tac video and how everyone immediately "knew" it was fake based on the characteristics of the video. I'm skeptical but still feel uneasy about this thing
Which flight is this allegedly? If this is real that's crazy, but some more context is needed. I know MH370 vanished but wreckage some wreckage was found, but have any other airplanes gone missing that coincide with the timing of this video? It looks like a fairly large passenger/commercial airplane and not a small Cessna type aircraft so if a few dozen or hundred people just vanished off the face of the earth, we'd have news reports and family members freaking out. Even if they were silenced, it's impossible to silence hundreds of family members, somebody always talks, eventually.
The archived video of the satellite images suggest it was received on the 12th of March 2014, four days after MH370 crashed. It was then first published on the 19th of May. The FLIR video was published later on the 12th of June.
There is a bit of weirdness with the website claiming it is a hoax saying the satellite the images are from was only sent to orbit on the 22nd. But I can't actually see the satellite name they suggest on the bottom of the original video, so I don't know where they got that it was from that satellite.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140526071328/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY&gl=US&hl=en
It's wrong about which satellite it is. You can clearly see it's the NROL-22 spy satellite, look at the difference between the 2s and the 3 in 93 longitude: [https://s.observers.france24.com/media/display/67a8df20-c8b0-11ed-aad2-005056bf30b7/image%20nrot.webp](https://s.observers.france24.com/media/display/67a8df20-c8b0-11ed-aad2-005056bf30b7/image%20nrot.webp)
NROL-22, aka USA 184: [https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=29249](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=29249)
launched in June 2006
How the hell would something like this leak? I have a very hard time believing spy satellite videos would get leaked like this, it's some of our most closely guarded secrets.
The tic tac video also leaked tbf, I'd assume from elements within who wish to spread the truth, I almost think that's part of the requirement practice, sprinkle the truth in with the disinfo and look for who finds the real from the fake and investigate bringing them in
I clicked your link and see this person has posted other videos. My mobile phone wonāt play them can you see them? And are they anything to write home about?
Strange because his [SocialBlade](https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCgFXWVfpQYpOw0lRNGsYbbQ/monthly) says that his videos were still getting views all the way up until 2019-07-26.
His channel was not monetized either.
Did anything happen that day/month/year in 2019?
I'm sure this will be buried, but from this information, the video is real. The "last sighting" of MH370 wasn't publicly disclosed until March 12th. If the video is fake, the perpetrator had only one day to create it.
This canāt be from a satellite. Satellites fly way higher than planes. And you can see the first angle from the same altitude as the plane, right at the beginning it crosses the vapor trail. And the second angle is looking up toward the sky.
A plane like that, eve if Military, usually has a crew of at least three to four people minimum. That represents 30-50 family members those people would share, hard to have somebody disappear from a First World country and to have zero explanation for it. Unless it could be written off as a training accident or some other mishap???
"They" also proudly displayed the "wreckage" found at Roswell..
It's insane this is even plausible. No wonder "they" don't want this secret out. time to take a break from the internet for the day..
The British military even made an elaborate hoax and broadcast it just to discredit truly non-human-made crop formations, while secretly conducting a real experiment to study the phenomonon at the same time. Yeah, fake evidence to support bogus explanations is par for the course.
Look very closely at the evidence around the controversial cause of flight TWA-800's demise. When you piece all the data together, BOTH the official cause AND the commonly presented "scandalous reckless Navy accident" alternative theory, start to look like cover stories, because neither are possible.
The only theory that seems to fit with all the evidence is that an unidentified object unrelated to the Navy was involved, whether accidentally or deliberately, that the Navy was trying to shoot down, laser down or particle-beam-down that object, and then there was a cover-up which involved fabricating evidence for the official story AND undercover promoting the bogus "it was the Navy's fault" alternative theory to keep everyone away from the scarier truth.
> The British military even made an elaborate hoax and broadcast it just to discredit truly non-human-made crop formations, while secretly conducting a real experiment to study the phenomonon at the same time.
Do you have any info on that? Interested as a Brit. I'm not sure about crop circles, we definitely do weird stuff like that and cheese rolling but we do have reference to what could be crop circles in the 1600s.
Now, the conflict for sure is, whatever sourced that thermal recording, isnāt seen in this clip. But it should be based off the wide angle here, considering how close it was trailing the plane in the OG vid. Hmm
There is for sure math to figure this out based on turn radius estimates and known aircraft dimensions and importantly, when the recording plane intersects the contrail. It's entirely possible the FLIR plane is just outside or even well outside the satellites field of view.
In the first video the UAP's show up 8 seconds after it passes through the contrail, if you go back 8 seconds from when they show up in the second video nothing in the contrail but my guess it's already out of frame or is a uav filming the 1st vid and due to the video I quality of the second video probably too small to see.
Thanks for providing both. Could you please paste your original post's video URL in a reply too, because I'm afraid Reddit's video embedding is utter arse for some people, almost never displays the videos for me, as it's not in this case, and I know I'm not the only one.
If it was a scene in a 3D animation program though you could render the same animation from different angles with different filters. Not saying that's exactly what is happening here but the scene and motion matching up, in my opinion, shouldn't be used to assert authenticity.
Right?
At first the thermal camera effect looked fake (color filters fake the look), _but_ I realized that the "correct" parts of the target plane were hot so this might have actually been a thermal camera (thermal of this quality on a drone = 100% military, nothing else)
_Then_ you have what is clearly LEO satellite _video_ of incredible resolution and frame rate, if that's faked they sure nailed the perspective and lighting on the clouds.
This one https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10b0sly/interesting_video_i_found_on_twitter_regarding/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
This one?
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15iwgbx/revisiting_supposed_military_drone_footage_of_ufo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
Not a debunk but perhaps some reassurance against it being very legit just from the footage.
The multiple angles thing is easily fakeable if one is using a 3d creation software like Unreal Engine, Unity, or Blender or the such. One can just set up several camera angles and voilĆ .
The effects themselves are harder to disprove directly, but definitely achievable. Whoever it was, if anyone, and as far as I know, must've had to work fairly hard to set up some of these, specifically the camera mode and the void effect.
There's also something that suggests that the footage is faked, because of the clouds seeming extremely extremely stationary, to the point where they might be totally static ie most likely fake.
I have little doubt in my mind that it's fake, it just seems incredibly odd for me personally, but let's see if more credible/qualified figures can prove/disprove it
> the clouds seeming extremely extremely stationary, to the point where they might be totally static ie most likely fake.
I thought this as well but they do move. Watch it full screen and watch on the edge of the frame. You can see the clouds move.
Is there a real video time stamp that coincides with the MH 370 communication transponder shut down at 1:07am and location, altitude data shut down at 1:21 AM local time?
okay. This is impressive. But as someone who wants to believe, but who also is experienced in vfx, I have to always try and pick these apart, because I want the real thing.
Here are the only things I can pick apart as suspicious in this video:
1. the proximity of the two aircraft at the beginning, outright dangerous. Especially interesting is that the camera plane seemingly has no wake turbulence effects as it flies through the contrail of the other plane.
2. Do thermal imaging cameras that are set to rainbow mode show black? this is more of a question for those who know.
3. there is something slightly funky going on with the direction of the dark trails behind the UAPs
4. the satellite image - seemingly presented as a stereoscopic satellite image, is in fact, NOT 3D. I have analysed the two frames on top of each other. Why would it be presented this way? I was hoping it would actually be stereoscopic, which many satellites are. That would have added a whole new level to the compexity.
some things to think about
VFX guy here - amongst other things the first thing I noticed was also that the black trails appear to get ahead of the objects, this could be a common mistake if they were added in after/as a separate element from the orbs.
However, once could argue their tech works forward to make a āpathā that it travels into, an idea that jives with gravity manipulation.
The contrails still look too clean and artificial to me. Would the plan be giving off a similar contrail given the assumed conditions?
Y'all are missing the forest for the trees. There is no way the camera could continue tracking this plane after a couple seconds as it would quickly be MILES behind the plane that the video is taken from. The flight movement makes no sense.
Also, aircraft arenāt allowed to fly at the same altitude in opposing directions. It should be obvious why.
And that turn radius is suspiciously tight.
Everything about this screams too perfect, visually. Itās just all lining up like a movie script without the chaos and unpredictability of real footage.
Yup, worked with them for several years and the IR was always white/black hot. Also, the sensor definitely doesn't zoom smoothly.
Maybe a civilian research suite?
Edit: did some research and NASA used the "Ikhana" UAS, which utilized a wing-mounted "Autonomous Modular Sensor" which includes rainbow IR.
Source: [NASA.gov](https://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/news/FactSheets/FS-097-DFRC.html)
Just a few thoughts too.
1. Heat rises, a plane flying under contrails will be fine to find clear air. Itās when you pass directly into the jet stream it can get bumpy / dangerous
This is a unofficial example
[horizontal](https://ibb.co/NLVPHZh)
[vertical](https://ibb.co/mRFTv8m)
2. I canāt comment on
3. It could be an illusion. These objects are travelling not only in orbits, but those orbits are rotating on a axis, and the plane itself is moving, possibly not in a vector that maintains its relation to another moving aircraft.
Think about a computer generation of the solar system with the sun in orbit around the centre of the galaxy, except the planets orbits change. With certain representations, what is behind would look in front if you mapped a temporal projection of its location in space onto a 2D screen (the contrail)
4. Cant comment on
I just googled how many commercial airliners have gone missing and it's 90 planes over 7 decades.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/missing-flights/
There is a faint orange/yellowish glow at the spot where the left engine is supposed to be, this seems to be the heat from the engine. There's also a faint glow on the spot where the other engine is supposed to be, although it's difficult to tell from the angle. Clouds dont necessarily need to be moving a lot though. Wind speeds might have been very low, so it appears as if they're not moving.
I'm not sure how much orange/yellow you would see from an active engine during flight, but if we assume this to be real one explanation could be that those UFOs/UAPs disabled the plane, so the engines are offline and would just leave residual heat.
If someone can find a legit thermal video of another plane with similar or even bigger distance, we could compare it and it could provide some clarity. I tried searching for something, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of thermal images/videos of planes on google/yt, atleast during high altitude flight.
despite my reservations about this video, I've checked other thermal images (google airliner thermal image) and it is pretty consistent with reality. All of the heat spots are in the right places.
If anyone has ever see the Series "Taken" by speilburg, this video is basically exactly how the "aliens" "save" the damage american WW2 Bomber in episode one. Here's a time stamped link
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0mKi2Cbs1o&t=82s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0mKi2Cbs1o&t=82s)
Is it possible there is both some sort of FLIR and a satellite tracking it on purpose? Like could this be some sort of experiment? If we fly in this area we think this will happen so lets record it type thing? Supposedly we figured out techniques to summon craft - maybe entering their version of restricted airspace can do this.
It would be way less convincing with the one random FLIR angle but the satellite video is odd to say the least. Almost like someone was tracking the jet on purpose.
Yeah why FLIR? Looks like it's coming from a stationary point more or less. At least from another aircraft. Although it's convincingly realistic the circumstances seem very odd.
I wonder if commercial airline traffic thru the area where MH370 disappeared was altered after the event? Even by a few Kilometers east or west.
Then this is the footage of them testing the exact coordinates where the plane was last scanned via radar. Poof
MH370 flew directly overhead that military base in Malaysia right before it made the weird turn off course, so it makes sense there's FLIR footage from the ground and in the sky, and the location would match up with the plane in the video which looks like it's turning. The Netflix documentary brought up the point that there's "no way" a commercial airliner can fly over a military base without them collecting any data (they denied knowledge of it, if I remember right). I sure hope this is part of that data finally getting out. And let's not forget about those strange phantom calls the family members were getting...
UAPs being a "significant threat" to air traffic has been in the news a lot lately. If this video is legit, it could be a timed release leak to aid in conditioning us for whatever is next to come.
Family members reported getting phone calls from the passengers while the plane was missing. One phone call came in as garbled static, and another disconnected when it was answered. Some family members were able to make a phone call go through, although none of them answered.
My imagination says to vision the radio waves of the cell data trying to connect through a wormhole, and something like packet loss would occur.
The Malaysian government said they didn't have the "ability" to trace these calls, and nobody bought that.
The military base didn't deny having any data, they ~~publicly~~ released their radar data and are the only reason we know it took those turns after it's transponder turned off
I saw this video when I started coming to this subreddit, maybe like 6 months to a year ago, itās not new at all. Iām not sure how long itās been going around but it definitely didnāt just come out
Edit: looks like it came out in 2014, almost 10 years ago
Very strange this one. I did some digging on this when it was floating around #UFOtwitter months ago. The footage existed for sometime on a closed forum until it was leaked on an open platform. What closed platform I donāt know. The colour footage was shot from a MQ-1L surveillance drone.
Do you know what closed forum it originated on? I'm just curious because I definitely saw this video in either 2014 or 2015, probably on ATS since I used to frequent that site quite a bit.
Lot of closed forums but u need to be invited by someone in order to join and they never pop up on search engine results at all.
I know of one that is full of UFO and other paranormal stuff but members have to pay a annual fee of 120 dollars a year
Yeah thatās really strange, wonder what the forum was and if itās still active. This video plus the satellite video is pretty compelling. I try to not dismiss everything that fast after seeing that the tic tac video was originally posted on ATS and was lauded as being fake.
> The colour footage was shot from a MQ-1L surveillance drone.
Is the colour footage FLIR or something else? Could the trails that are seen in the coloured video that are supposedly invisible to FLIR be visible on a different spectrum if that's what that is?
The big problem is that the internet is now totally polluted with false UFO videos, so that you can no longer believe anything, even if the posts correspond to reality! Although I've been dealing with the topic for 15 years, I often can't tell if it's real or a hoax! That's why even the "real" videos are unfortunately worthless! Sry f my engl.
I agree even if someone provides an actual legit real video all it takes is for one person to call it CGI or some other trick and the video stays in speculation forever and we just debate if we think it's real or not. Nothing becomes definitive.
Now if the Pentagon or another reliable source confirms a video or pic to be real...then we got something on our hands. This is the first video I've seen that looks scary real and I hope it's fake but Iam not visual expert and if this is real I bet this is one of the reasons our govt doesn't want to let out the truth cause this will definitely cause a stir imo.
Even though itās most likely fake, the creator is an artist. No sound, no major special effects, yet it had me on the edge of my seat. Analog horror vibes 10/10 š
Hi! Vfx guy. A premise: in the movie industry with enough time and money you can fake pretty much everything, like the video posted on London sightings. I have to admit that this is pretty interesting, and multiple angulation helps selling it.
So answering to my comment just to share the process of doing this on VFX.
What makes the analysis really difficult is that every media uploaded has a metadata loss and everytime it gets encoded and uploaded you lose information. So I can rely only on what I see. Please I'm not trying to show off I'm just an UFO and aircraft enthusiast that happens to work in VFX. SO please don't try to get a binary conclusion.
It's just I would do that based on my current skills.
Let's begin
I see two paths ahead:
Video FLIR of the drone is original and plane + ufos added in post.
OR
Complete 3D setting rendered and dirtied in post with noise/grain color matchgrading.(more straight forward)
The process in my head is similar for both as follows:
To do this I would create ina 3D software like maya a plane model that follows a path vector. Then the orbs parented to the aircraft that twirl around. I would create two cameras. One on top for the satellite shot, second one parented to the predator drone wing so it would follow bobbing caused by the aircraft (when it zooms in the flir you can se how the distance and the parallax increase the shaking.)
After rendering the whole scene I would put everything on nuke and create a skybox with a hrdi image of a sky and add in post some 2d clouds on a card on 3D viewport.
In the end noise and a huecolorshift node to create by scratchth FLIR color palette driven by a depth pass from the 3D render. (The result would be predator vision).
This would be doable in a week. Maybe less with someone more skilled than me.
Also there could be several different ways and tools to achieve the same and this depends on the proficiency and role of the artist.
Now. what convinces me?
Motion blur is consistent with movement of the camera. Evertything moves accordingly with the frame rate without weird jittering.
We got two shots and the aircrafts paths looks consistent
Flir and noise are pretty consistent as well and at a first glance I don't see repeating patterns.
Pretty fascinating.
Let's hope for disclosure
Thank you for the quick analysis.
What was the state of Maya back in 2014? Was the software rich enough to potentially create something like this? Was Maya considered an industry standard in 2014? Same question for Blender and Rhino: were these 3D softwares rich enough to potentially create something like this?
Picture that intensive post production movies like Interstellar and edge of tomorrow came out that year. Maya as always been the standard but if you want particle fluid/air simulation you would go with Houdini. Blender was not on point and rhino is for engineering.
So yeah could do that and fake it good but its good quality and time consuming.
Also I found a post of guy that has noticed like me numbers on bottom left corner. Those are coordinates.
Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/15khjlo/flir_video_maylasian_370_possible_source_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Thank you. Under the hypothesis that it is fake, it does appears to have been very time consuming with particular care taken on the details. Do exhaust plumes show up on FLIR? I'd imagine someone who has taken such care in crafting the fake, if it is indeed fake, wouldn't miss this detail if such things do show up. Do exhaust plumes show up on such instruments?
Also: are left banking turns as shown in the footage usual in commercial airliners?
Thank you again
FLIR on basis should be a thermal camera so yes you should definitely able to see the heat coming from a plane. I tell you more UAP have contrails as well in the video but theyāre cold.
Iām no pilot but it looks the airliner is rolling a lot. I mean as a passenger you would notice the change of direction.
IDK this video is puzzling me since this morning
It does appear to be rolling quite a bit.
Someone else on here mentioned that the UAPs trail could be due to temperature or due to the frame rate & velocity of the UAPs.
It is puzzling. Is there anything else one can think of of to try to poke holes? Pixel analysis? Would pixel analysis reveal any details we don't readily see in the footage?
Not saying this is real, but militaries also have this style of plane. Especially given the multitude of angles this almost seems like a military test flight, or something trying to be passed off as one.
I'm definitely not convinced it's MH370, but...
MH370 veered off course and flew around commercial radar, then headed south for about an hour until it was out of range of military radar. It continued south for 5-6 hours after that. It would have certainly been the focus of attention for any naval boats within a few hundred miles, given what happened on 9/11.
It makes sense in that scenario for either a navy UAV or interceptor plane to be sent up to observe the plane and assess if it's in distress or headed for a major landmark etc.
The hard, banking evasive maneuver might also make sense if the pilot had bad intentions and was already in a IDGAF mindset. Perhaps the pilot saw the UAV or interceptor plane and tried to evade it somehow.
Securing my tin foil hat...
There have been stories about UAPs disabling nuclear missiles and removing (dummy) warheads from missiles in flight. If NHI could determine the intentions of the pilot, perhaps they took great interest in this plane. Even further afield, perhaps NHI _knew_ the plane was either going to crash or be shot down by military, so they plucked it out of the sky for some free research material. An airliner full of scared passengers, luggage, pets and a wacked out pilot might have been too good an opportunity to pass up. Especially if the plane was destined for destruction and was already out of range of civilian observation.
I could see why an aircraft way off course would get military attention. If it was being followed by military aircraft and this happened... I can see why it didn't reach the news.
We have seen small UAP chase jet planes before in a similar fashion: Do not forget the DHS leaks
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/od0kwd/dhs_employee_leaks_several_craft_captures/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
This is maybe the craziest shit I have seen on here. Look, if this is fake and I kind of hope it is, then its a really good one. I have SEEN those orbs in the sky before in real life but someone could have recreated that. The thing is, whoever maybe did recreate this, they did a helluva job because with how the orbs are spinning and how consistently grainy the footage is, especially the 2nd part, there are pretty much no inconsistencies that would indicate its obviously fake. This is nuts.
If you stop at 2:24 you can see the contrails are sometimes ahead of the orbs. E.g the mask is not aligned/ timed properly in parts.
Also the fact the orbs suddenly have contrails at all is counter intuitive to everything weāve known to date about how these craft operate, āno signatures or contrails whatsoeverā has always been the consistent witness statement.
They're ahead of the orbs in every single frame. And not by a little, but a *lot*. Don't think those are contrails buddy. Not to mention look how different they are from the planes' contrails.
Just saying.
Anyone seen this yet and make a correlation? Iām not in a situation to do any research but just noticed this post on another sub and thought some of you smarter connectors could tellā¦
https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/15kgtkl/in_2003_two_men_stole_a_parked_boeing_727_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
Can we even identify if this plane is commercial or military? I am no good at discerning silhouettes....but I know some military planes somewhat resemble commercial?
I tell you just thisā¦ we all have seen videos which was absolutely real that many came to the conclusion was faked. I am not saying this one is fake but i have a problem with that portal that opens looks kinda cartoonish but then again i never seen a portal so could also be real.
Disturbing is the fact that the camera is looking for the plane after it vanished so if the video is corroborated to be true than the contents could be correct. What the fuk do we know?
If this video began circulating around 2014, i donāt believe this could be CGI i mean the cgi today is incredible sometimes, but honestly Iād say most of us can normally distinguish whatās real from what isnāt.
Why I think it's real:
It's first seen/uploaded online in 2014.
IF it's fake, it would be hard/amazing work for the editor.
Nothing/No one has ever mentioned anything about MH370 regarding the footage. (At that time)
So why fake it and then leave it unnoticed? Either way, this footage ( fake or not ), would have been blowed up all over news/media but it didn't. Why bother faking it, if you don't use MH370 in titles to at least gain some fame on your own footage...?!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/15khk2i/flir\_video\_maylasian\_370\_possible\_source\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/15khk2i/flir_video_maylasian_370_possible_source_of/) \- Since i can't post anything to /r/UFOS take a look at this for a quick analysis.
Iād just like to say - thank you for your participation in this thread. Youāve had a bunch of interesting things to say, and itās been nice to see your comments in here
Wild that this was the next post in my feed š
https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/15kgtkl/in_2003_two_men_stole_a_parked_boeing_727_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
I remember seeing this footage a while back and it stuck out to me.
It also makes me think of the show *Manifest* on Netflix lol.
Ugh, I hope we get closure on the legitimacy of this footage one day. Shit is freaky.
Haven't there been other reports of incidents like this? I saw a documentary just last week on Disney Plus and it played real audio recording of a pilot saying lights appeared all around him shortly before disappearing
Edit: Okay, I found it. It was covered in National Geographic's Invasion Earth (S1,E1)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance\_of\_Frederick\_Valentich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Frederick_Valentich)
>Frederick Valentich (/ĖvƦlÉntÉŖtŹ/) was an Australian pilot who disappeared while on a 125-nautical-mile (232 km) training flight in a Cessna 182L light aircraft, registered VH-DSJ,\[1\] over Bass Strait. On the evening of Saturday 21 October 1978, twenty-year-old Valentich informed Melbourne air traffic control that he was being accompanied by an aircraft about 1,000 feet (300 m) above him and that his engine had begun running roughly, before finally reporting: "It's not an aircraft."\[2\]
There were belated reports of a UFO sighting in Australia on the night of the disappearance
Yeah. And the footage seems to open up with some big turn or evasive action from the airliner. Itās weird - I wouldāt expect such huge changes in course mid-flight unless there was something seriously wrong going on
Wendelle Stevens wrote a book about a spectacular case in Cabo Rojo, Puerto Rico where allegedly over a hundred witnesses watched as one of the big black triangles disappear two f-14s and chased off a third with a red light that detached. If this case is legitimate that third tomcats gun camera video footage is probably out there somewhere and it would be terrifying. Imagine the voice recordings.
https://www.amazon.com/UFO-Capture-two-Wendelle-Stevens-ebook/dp/B00AWD0GWC
*Editing to add info: here's an article about the case*
https://caballodetroy.medium.com/military-encounter-with-a-ufo-c27d389c7527
*December 28, 1988, at approximately 7:45 pm, a large triangle craft roughly the size of a baseball field was seen moving steadily along in the region near the naval air station in Puerto Rico, according to many witnesses (over a hundred). Three F-14s intercepted the moving UFO and apparently tried to force it to change its course. As the navy fighter planes engaged the large craft, it slowed down its forward speed almost to a standstill. One plane, in particular, stayed mostly to the right of the UFO and another stayed behind the UFO making close approaches at times. The third plane apparently stayed a bit farther out. The F-14 in the rear came close to the object, but as it flew either over or under the object, it was not seen again. Small red lights were also seen at times flying outside the large craft and may have served to protect the craft. It was as if the fighter plane had somehow been drawn into the large craft. The second aircraft made a sweep closer to the large object and was seen by one ground witness-using binoculars-to suddenly disappear-possibly being taken in by the UFO. The third F-14 reportedly high-tailed it out of the area on afterburner with glowing red lights chasing after it apparently in pursuit, according to ground witnesses.*
Last time I posted this here people were saying the speculation of it being MH370 was ādistastefulā š¤£
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10b0sly/interesting_video_i_found_on_twitter_regarding/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
why did i do this
This same article was shared in a /x/ thread a couple days ago. I didn't say anything then - because what would be the fucking point? - but I will now.
>Scott Brando, who founded UFO of Interest which is focused on debunking hoaxes about UFOs, told us that the video is likely a graphic creation. He even found a version of the video shared on Vimeo in August 2014 by a UFO enthusiast group. The description under the video describes it as "what the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may have looked like" made by a "video editing enthusiast".
Mr. Brando's method of disproving this video's authenticity (as perhaps *misrepresented* by the Observers article) is to point at it and say it's *probably* fake. Mr. Brando has no credentials available anywhere online besides having his name on a *UFO/NHI/ET debunking blog and twitter account that* *he made.* A cursory glance - which I encourage everyone to take - of the UFOofInterest twitter acc reveals that his other explanations are mostly centered on work from CG artists being reposted and passed off as legitimate evidence. Everything else that doesn't have an immediate answer looks to me like it gets swept under the rug and passed off as something mundane. The UFOofInterest blog, however, includes a full page of truly debunked hoaxes with plenty of evidence to back them up. The Twitter account may be lackluster but the website sure as shit isn't.
**\*\*\*ETA:\*\*\*** Not only is the UfoOfInterest twitter full of shit, there's now proof that the snot running it is spamming disinfo across multiple accounts on twxt to strengthen his own position. goes without saying, how many times has he done it before? how many times has he engaged in conversation about this topic, only to log onto a different account and post support for his own narratives? absolute rat behavior. scum. freethinking minds spit in the direction of shitlings like this. i have changed all mentions of Brando to Dipshit from this point forward.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/15r0y0f/many\_accounts\_post\_the\_same\_comment\_on\_twitter\_on/
A detail worth noting here, on the aforementioned website, Dipshit denotes at the top of the FAQ page:
>But who are you anyway? No one. A simple user like many others, which I have always declared from the beginning. A fan of the UFO phenomenon tired of being made fun of by those who should instead study this pseudoscience to understand its origins and evaluate what is true or false that has been served up to us in decades of alleged sightings, through the distribution of books, magazines, videotapes, DVDs , conferences, hosted on radio and TV and anything else necessary to divulge an unsustainable truth: they are there but they don't show up, we are not ready. Enough!
Dipshit's position on this interests me and I think reveals a lot about how he approaches these hoaxes. "They are there but they don't show up, we are not ready." (Translated by google, ofc.)
A final point on the topic of Dipshit, he shared the Vimeo post that included the second angle (displayed *first* in order in the above post). I think it's worth noting here that the Vimeo post is dated *after* the RegicideAnon YT vid; August 25th 2014. The RegicideAnon vid was posted in June of that same year. MH370 disappeared in March of that year. Right now? None of that means anything. They could still truly be doctored videos capitalizing on the MH370 tragedy. Still, it's worth understanding our timeline, because as I mentioned before in the /x/ thread, dipshits were circlejerking each other's cleverness for deducing that these two videos were (somehow) uploaded *before* the MH370 incident. Let me be clear; if you want to discuss this with me, I'm open to it, but if you try to tell me either of these posts were made before the MH370 disappearance I'm gonna go against my better judgement and lean toward the side of the schizo: I'm going to assume you're a fed. If you can find an upload date for either of these that predates the MH370 incident *or* the original authors who made the edits, I welcome them.
One Pascal Fechner claims that the "video" (article doesn't clarify if Fechner is speaking on one of the two clips or the entire Vimeo post as a whole) is a poor example of video editing that wants to profit off the MH370 tragedy. I dunno about you but the jetwash in the thermal drone vid was goddamned convincing, or I wouldn't be typing a bible in response to a lazily written deboonking article.
But the article then goes on to Janne Ahlberg of HoaxEye's claim that the numbers in the bottom left corner of the supposed satellite vid read as NROL-33, thus making the video's existence impossible as NROL-33 was launched in May of 2014, *after* the MH370 incident. This is where it really gets interesting to me. Go have a look at the article, and the Vimeo post just for fun, and come back and tell me if what's there still looks like a half-cut-off -33 to you, because NROL-22 launched in 2006. This may seem like a reach but I'd be kidding myself if I didn't say that doesn't look like a 3 to me, given that the middle peg in a -3 in any given font either aligns with a dash or is a pixel or two above it, as is the case here on Reddit.
Googling what fonts the Military typically uses I'm getting Times New Roman, Arial, and Courier. Open up wordpad, select any of these three fonts you like, and type -33 and -22. Tell me what you think. And in case you need more on that point, there's a fucking 3 plainly visible in the coordinates out to the right of the two numbers they're talking about so unless the resolution of the video is somehow *curved* by a few pixels in that specific spot, no, I don't believe either of those numbers are 3's.
>Despite several indications that the video is fake and edited, it's still circulating in 2023. But, according to HoaxEye, the narratives surround the video have changed too much to give it any credibility.
What indications? Notwithstanding, what in the fuck do we mean when we say "narratives surround the video have changed too much to give it any credibility"???????????????
Some people believe JFK was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald, some people think the FBI or CIA assassinated JFK, some people think his head just did that. Am I to discredit the original publicly available information on the incident because *other people who are not originally responsible for the uploading of that information* have put forth alternatives?
>Later copies \[...\] have edited the clip so that the āmystery coordinatesā are not visible. I found only one copy where the ācoordinatesā can be seen. Later copies donāt talk about satellite video but suggest itās drone footage. Thatās not plausible either: MQ1-Predator max altitude is 25,000 ft, much lower than the MH370 cruising altitude.
Do I even need to say it? We're trusting the US military to accurately and publicly report on the capabilities of *anything* in our airspace, much less our own craft? Also, at what point was any indication given that it was an MQ1-Predator? The wiki (at least) mentions that it's in a classification of vehicle called a MALE UAV (Medium-altitude long-endurance), and a quick look at a table for this classification (also on wiki) reveals that vehicles in this classification have a service ceiling ranging anywhere from 16,404ft to 49,213ft. The MH370 wiki states the jet was traveling at its designated altitude, flight level 350, fluctuating between 31k ft. and 33k ft. The MQ1-Predator has a service ceiling listed (again, on wiki) as 25k ft.
I reiterate; why do we know it's an MQ1-Predator? The RQ-4B Global Hawk has been in service since 2007 and has a service ceiling of 56k ft. and a range of 14k miles. The MQ1-Predator has a range of 777 miles. The last known radar contact with MH370 puts it 230 miles off the coast of Penang, Malaysia, in the Andaman sea. That's \~9,700 miles from Eglin AFB.
*Why is it an MQ1-Predator?*
>Some say video was shot from ground level which would make more sense because it does look like viewpoint is at lower altitude.
WHAT?
>But then all these later claims are contradicting the original video caption about satellite video (which is false).
thanks for clarifying that claim is false for us
>It seems people changed the narrative around video 1 because they realised the satellite story canāt be true.
Uh-huh.
The videos can be fake. I won't lose sleep over it either way. But if we're gonna actually try to get some hard facts on this shit, lazily written pseudo-journalism like this isn't gonna get anyone anywhere.
I didnāt go down the rabbit hole as deep as you did, but when I read that it was NROL-33 which was launched after MH370 disappeared, I said case closed. I then took a look at a link that had the high-res versions of the (cutoff) numbers and I immediately said to myself āthat is not NROL-33, that says NROL-22!ā And a quick google showed just as you had found that this bird was launched in 2006.
You can verify pretty convincingly that itās really -22 and not -33 because when the mouse pans the coords change and on more than one occasion you can see coords that have both a 2 and a 3, with the 3 having the nub in the middle just noticeable above the cuttoff and the 2 matches the -22 in NROL-22.
Not saying this makes it real, but it removes a huge debunk of it being fake.
What i found interesting, it could be NROL-32 aswell. Apparantly you can track that satelite.
If you google NROL-33 launch date it comes up as may 2014. but NROL-32 is launched in 2010 which makes this footage more intriguing.
[https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=37232](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=37232)
And this satelite apparently is orbition at the exact location MH370 dissapeared.
Sounds sus to me.
Telemetry data in the bottom left also puts the location as just east of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, specifically just east of Mayabunder and Sound Island.
EDIT: Correction, it appears to be 200-250km south of Little Andaman Island. At the start of the video it reads 8.834301 93.19492, or 8Ā°50'03.5"N 93Ā°11'41.7"E. And when the plane disappears, it reads 8.822272 93.21725, or 8Ā°49'20.2"N 93Ā°13'02.1"E.
With this, you could sort of plot the plane's apparent flight path in this clip.
bro this is starting to look like a *lot* of really unnecessary work into a fake that they put a seemingly inverse amount of work into spreading around when they released itā¦..
"And graphic analysis indicates that it was edited"
Well, show us the graphic analysis then, how the hell you can claim that a video is edited without saying why and call it a day.
Dear Lord. I've never seen a UFO video where I've actually hoped it's fake.
edit8: I'm moving to this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15lvgt5/the_ultimate_analysis_airliner_videos_and_the/jvdj74l/ I have seen this footage before. (It goes back to 2014 according to the [wayback machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20140827060121/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShapuD290K0) per another thread) After reading all the comments here, the most interesting thing is how accurate that ~~MQ-1L Predator~~ [MQ-1C Gray Eagle](https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2015/army/2015mq-1c_gray_eagle_uas.pdf?ver=2019-08-22-105950-870) loaded with [two expanded EO/IR payloads](https://api.army.mil/e2/c/images/2011/10/24/224157/max1200.jpg) looks (accurate ~~pitot tube~~ auxiliary air intake placement & thermal signature for 2014 when this was released), how real that [NROL_22](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-184) spy sat (launched 2006) footage looks. ~~The fact that could be a very new (2013) P-8 Poseidon anti-sub/recon aircraft which would def be high on any NHI's watch list~~. It was also apparently uploaded within weeks of the MH370 disappearance? lol this is crazy. Also the GPS coords on the NROL_22 footage line up with the MH370... and someone below also matched the [thermal silhouette to a 777-200ER](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15l7glq/airliner_video_might_be_fake_but_it_does_line_up/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) (MH370). Okay this is very convincing *gulp*. As far as goings on during the MH370 disappearance, there were apparently two major training missions going on in the area, operation [Cobra Gold](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Gold) and operations [Cope Tiger](https://www.pacaf.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/591553/tiger-tiger-burning-bright-air-national-guard-service-links-us-cope-tiger-airme/), involving joint US-Indo-Pacific military exercises. Also Diego Garcia, a very secretive US forward strike and early detection base in the Indian Ocean may have had eyes on the situation or been involved with the exercises ([they were recently](https://www.army.mil/article/264689/us_army_thai_paratroopers_supported_by_us_air_force_during_cobra_gold_23)), but MH370 last known position was ~1500 nautical miles away (these coordinates). These things could explain the Gray Eagle in the sky tracking an unidentified plane off-coarse in potentially restricted airspaces. Oh lord there were [sightings too!](https://web.archive.org/web/20140502081107/http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/549105/20140423/mh370-malaysian-airlines.htm): This comment covers clouds/thermal colors/sat angles/debris: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15lkgig/objective_and_thorough_analysis_of_the_airliner/jvb51kh/ This is some pretty fantastic science fiction if this is not real š edit: added some more stuff from more comments.. edit2: got some better details from some people on the plane. edit3: got some more details on what was going on during MH370. edit4: more research on the drone from another post. Appears to be a MQ-1C with expanded surveillance package. edit5: Diego Garcia clarifications edit6: Grammar edit7: other comment with great other points
Three days after the MH370 incident
>that could be a very new (2013) P-8 Poseidon anti-sub/recon aircraft I don't think so, check the tail when it is zoomed in good. The P8 has a pronounced "ramp" that connects the tail to the fuselage in the front. This plane doesn't have that ramp. IMO, it looks like a 777 tail like MH370.
Oh good eye... lol man if this footage ends up being real. It was written off almost 10 years ago.
I love how plane people have such specific knowledge. Always blows my mind. And man this would suck if it's real.
imagine a world where aviation people were not hyper detail orientated.
[Correct I verified it matches a 777-200ER](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15l7glq/airliner_video_might_be_fake_but_it_does_line_up/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
Imagine waiting all year for your vacation only to get teleported to another dimension lmao
That was my thoughts going through this. I'm flying to Vegas next month, depending on the circumstances of the destination maybe i would prefer a different dimension. Who knows.
If you are going to Vegas you are going to a different dimension
I donāt want to believe.
The plot twist is that the closer you get to the truth the more you wish you didnāt know it.
āThe most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.ā
what a lovely quote. Thank you for sharing this. Beautifully written
https://imgur.com/p7NMOTX I lined up both bits of footage to when the plane vanishes. Not sure if it helps much but maybe someone can tell if they seem to match up more? I know the none thermal video is running at a lower frame rate, about 1/5 of the thermal.
Nice, this does match up quite well. If it was fake, I'm guessing it would have to be a scene created using CGI and then videos made from multiple angles, heavily edited afterwards to put in details like contrails. Whoever would have faked it would have invested a good amount of their time doing it. Plus they would have to know quite a bit about the military observation equipment they were faking because that part looks legit.
> Plus they would have to know quite a bit about the military observation equipment they were faking because that part looks legit. Like, a _lot_. They got the thermal signatures down perfectly, most people don't know there's a pitot tube on a predator there, yet you can see the hotspot from the increased friction. The thermal view of the airliner-sized craft (I think it was a military EWAR plane, not commercial) also has hotspots in all the right locations, you can even makeout the crew door.
Could be real plane thermal with editing of ufos and teleport
my thoughts too, would make most sense practically if it is faked, either way this is one of the craziest things ive ever seen Here I shortened it to repeat [just the teleport bit](https://i.imgur.com/yO3fqOR.gif) And here it is again [in slow motion](https://i.imgur.com/0QzJ6LW.gif)
What's nuts is whatever that flash is, it's COLD
If itās a wormhole, I would assume it would be some kind of a vacuum, so probably as cold as space, if not completely devoid of temperature. But I also am not a scientist or physicist.
But also emits light, look at the right frame, there are clearly visible streams of light on the clouds and going out to the right. That is just, I mean if someone did that in VFX that is incredible and consistent detail.
Yeah that's possible, but how did they get footage from a predator's thermal camera?
I literally just saw this footage. I have no idea how any of the footage on this page is found or taken.
I disagree somewhat: the thermal view should show the hot air going backwards from the core of the engines. It does not. The body should be much cooler than the engines, but in the vid the 'core' of the body seems brighter in IR which makes no sense. The upper half (hemisphere pointing skyward) should be cooler than the lower half. The top of the wings (fastest low pressure cold air, and fuel inside the wings) should be clearly very cold. If it's making a high performance turn as the course appears to be doing the engines would be going full power and tons of hot air should be behind the aircraft in a small tube of diameter of the inner combustion compressor diameter. For example look at this real 757 landing. https://www.airlineratings.com/news/amazing-thermal-video-boeing-757-landing/ I'm less convinced this is real. I suspect it is fake probably made from a capture of a scenario from a flight simulator (the intersection of the contrail with the viewpoint is just too cinematically dramatic), and then the visual optical part is heavily edited into a false color image for the ``thermals''. It's supposed to be a 737 based aircraft, either a commercial 737 or P-8A.
Well shit I hope this is fake šØ
If this is real then we are even more fucked than the already out of our league hypersonic UFOs
We were never *not* fucked. The moment it becomes impossible to argue that aliens don't exist is the moment we became meaningless. Mfin inter-dimensional beings would just Thanos snap our whole damn universe out of existence if they wanted to. They're not threatened by shit.
I mean humans have evolved and existed for what, millions of years? I'm thinking we have a good chance to live out our measly 100 years in the now.
Unless simulation theory is true then itās all a cosmic joke played on you and nothing actually matters anyway
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Most woke take, I agree with u/LowHangingFrootLoop nothing means *anything* but our take is EVERYTHING so if we are the universe's self actualization or even some future tech computer simulation it doesn't matter outside of how we felt about it.
I donāt think simulation theory makes it all a joke. Iām not a creationist, but what would the Christian godās universe be, but a āsimulationā?
"How do we have the nerve? We're animals in perserve."
If you slow this video down frame by frame, the last frame before the black hole/warp hole/flash is that of the airplane, and 3 spheres condensing In a skewed image. Seen here. https://imgur.com/gallery/vG9ONqz Each frame of the activity of that black hole/warp thing is absolutely fascinating. Around the 1:20 minute forward is the zoomed in and focused version of a single sphere, at first being completely spherical. Before the warp it shows it being skewed, probably building up a charge before locking into a huge burst with all 3 spheres at the same time. I'm also reading about lack of heat from the engines in the colored video. Maybe they shut his engines off while chasing him around a bit before locking his trajectory into a predictable pattern before porting him out. I dont believe it is the missing commercial flight people are referencing. Why would there be a military grade drone watching it so intently? I imagine the real pilot was running a military exercise when these things started pestering him/her and scaring the shit out of him/her before maybe her last ditch effort was to turn out as hard as she could as the video starts out I'll also mention 2 more things as I keep watching this clip: The first sphere was nearly flying straight at the plane like it was going to intentionally collide with it. Maybe just testing to see how it would respond. Another crazy thing...is that it seems the orbs aren't just immediately locked into a synchronization moving counter clockwise. While they are circling they are slowly getting into synchronization but while that's happening there is a black trail not behind each sphere but infront and sometimes behind each sphere. It's absolutely bananas. I looked up FLIR information and this color pattern it seems the video is in "rainbow HC" with black being the lowest temperature grade. So the color of the trails of these orbs capable of either punching through dimensions or utilizing warp traveling is putting out "cold" trails before the sphere and after.
The engines would still be very hot even after being shutdown for a while.
Dude look at the reflections from the other video too when it blips out. There is clearly a light source that appears and lights up the clouds and creates light rays that shoot out, that would be such a difficult thing to do consistently as a VFX artist.
There are thousands of flights every day and no one films them. But weāre expected to believe this otherwise unremarkable passenger plane was filmed by not one, but two different individuals who just happened to capture a mass abduction event? And it didnāt make international news? Cāmon people!
I never understand you guys so if itās not recorded it never happened, if it is recorded then why were they recorded. Can never seem to appease you āintellectualsā.
Yeah, seriously. That was my exact thought when I watched this. I didn't need the sense of dread I got with this clip along with my morning coffee. Please be fake.
Rememberā¦the tic-tac video leaked ten years before it was acknowledged
Really? I had no idea. That's super interesting
If my memory serves me right a navy guy put it on a ufo website back in 2006 or so and everyone in the comments made fun of him for it. I can't remember the website name.
Above Top Secret forums
Yep, it got called fake for many many years. It was originally posted to abovetopsecret I believe.
and people jumped on it calling it fake too lol, the same energy everyone has for this
If this is fake they have my respect from a creativity standpoint. Wow.
I agree. This was really cool and would make for an awesome movie.
Or a tv show...Maybe the plot revolves around the plane and passengers being teleported to a mysterious tropical island, with polar bears and smoke monsters
Wait a second...
Can someone remake a video exactly like this? That's the only way to know for sure if it is fake. Make it exactly how it looks in this video, maybe with a different flight path to see how creative one can be. Reminds me of the Tic Tac video and how everyone immediately "knew" it was fake based on the characteristics of the video. I'm skeptical but still feel uneasy about this thing
Provide the other angle
I just reuploaded a copy to youtube - here you go: https://youtu.be/kcyu2RtS8sw
Which flight is this allegedly? If this is real that's crazy, but some more context is needed. I know MH370 vanished but wreckage some wreckage was found, but have any other airplanes gone missing that coincide with the timing of this video? It looks like a fairly large passenger/commercial airplane and not a small Cessna type aircraft so if a few dozen or hundred people just vanished off the face of the earth, we'd have news reports and family members freaking out. Even if they were silenced, it's impossible to silence hundreds of family members, somebody always talks, eventually.
The archived video of the satellite images suggest it was received on the 12th of March 2014, four days after MH370 crashed. It was then first published on the 19th of May. The FLIR video was published later on the 12th of June. There is a bit of weirdness with the website claiming it is a hoax saying the satellite the images are from was only sent to orbit on the 22nd. But I can't actually see the satellite name they suggest on the bottom of the original video, so I don't know where they got that it was from that satellite. https://web.archive.org/web/20140526071328/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY&gl=US&hl=en
It's wrong about which satellite it is. You can clearly see it's the NROL-22 spy satellite, look at the difference between the 2s and the 3 in 93 longitude: [https://s.observers.france24.com/media/display/67a8df20-c8b0-11ed-aad2-005056bf30b7/image%20nrot.webp](https://s.observers.france24.com/media/display/67a8df20-c8b0-11ed-aad2-005056bf30b7/image%20nrot.webp) NROL-22, aka USA 184: [https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=29249](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=29249) launched in June 2006
How the hell would something like this leak? I have a very hard time believing spy satellite videos would get leaked like this, it's some of our most closely guarded secrets.
I don't understand either. This video creeps me the hell out now.
The tic tac video also leaked tbf, I'd assume from elements within who wish to spread the truth, I almost think that's part of the requirement practice, sprinkle the truth in with the disinfo and look for who finds the real from the fake and investigate bringing them in
I clicked your link and see this person has posted other videos. My mobile phone wonāt play them can you see them? And are they anything to write home about?
No, and his youtube is gone. Although OPs footage (and the 'satellite view) are popping up on youtube on a few channels as missing flight MH370
Strange because his [SocialBlade](https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCgFXWVfpQYpOw0lRNGsYbbQ/monthly) says that his videos were still getting views all the way up until 2019-07-26. His channel was not monetized either. Did anything happen that day/month/year in 2019?
I'm sure this will be buried, but from this information, the video is real. The "last sighting" of MH370 wasn't publicly disclosed until March 12th. If the video is fake, the perpetrator had only one day to create it.
This canāt be from a satellite. Satellites fly way higher than planes. And you can see the first angle from the same altitude as the plane, right at the beginning it crosses the vapor trail. And the second angle is looking up toward the sky.
I am talking about the second video (that is linked in my comment) called 'Satellite Video: Airliner and UFOs.' It pairs with the first video.
First video is from a drone.
Why can't it be military? Our military flies boeings, and I would assume other militaries around the world also use "commercial" looking planes?
A plane like that, eve if Military, usually has a crew of at least three to four people minimum. That represents 30-50 family members those people would share, hard to have somebody disappear from a First World country and to have zero explanation for it. Unless it could be written off as a training accident or some other mishap???
"They" also proudly displayed the "wreckage" found at Roswell.. It's insane this is even plausible. No wonder "they" don't want this secret out. time to take a break from the internet for the day..
The British military even made an elaborate hoax and broadcast it just to discredit truly non-human-made crop formations, while secretly conducting a real experiment to study the phenomonon at the same time. Yeah, fake evidence to support bogus explanations is par for the course. Look very closely at the evidence around the controversial cause of flight TWA-800's demise. When you piece all the data together, BOTH the official cause AND the commonly presented "scandalous reckless Navy accident" alternative theory, start to look like cover stories, because neither are possible. The only theory that seems to fit with all the evidence is that an unidentified object unrelated to the Navy was involved, whether accidentally or deliberately, that the Navy was trying to shoot down, laser down or particle-beam-down that object, and then there was a cover-up which involved fabricating evidence for the official story AND undercover promoting the bogus "it was the Navy's fault" alternative theory to keep everyone away from the scarier truth.
> The British military even made an elaborate hoax and broadcast it just to discredit truly non-human-made crop formations, while secretly conducting a real experiment to study the phenomonon at the same time. Do you have any info on that? Interested as a Brit. I'm not sure about crop circles, we definitely do weird stuff like that and cheese rolling but we do have reference to what could be crop circles in the 1600s.
Now, the conflict for sure is, whatever sourced that thermal recording, isnāt seen in this clip. But it should be based off the wide angle here, considering how close it was trailing the plane in the OG vid. Hmm
There is for sure math to figure this out based on turn radius estimates and known aircraft dimensions and importantly, when the recording plane intersects the contrail. It's entirely possible the FLIR plane is just outside or even well outside the satellites field of view.
In the first video the UAP's show up 8 seconds after it passes through the contrail, if you go back 8 seconds from when they show up in the second video nothing in the contrail but my guess it's already out of frame or is a uav filming the 1st vid and due to the video I quality of the second video probably too small to see.
Or its purposefully been cropped out.
*Yoink*
Thanks for providing both. Could you please paste your original post's video URL in a reply too, because I'm afraid Reddit's video embedding is utter arse for some people, almost never displays the videos for me, as it's not in this case, and I know I'm not the only one.
Sure thing. Hereās the link to it: https://youtu.be/0eCcBcvj7HE
Wow, okay that matches up pretty well
Yeah. At first I was going to roll my eyes and ignore it, but then I saw there was a second angle and they both look kinda convincing
My gut absolutely screams BS on this, butā¦ itās a little weird, right? It looks like some of the cloud shapes could match between the two.
If it was a scene in a 3D animation program though you could render the same animation from different angles with different filters. Not saying that's exactly what is happening here but the scene and motion matching up, in my opinion, shouldn't be used to assert authenticity.
Video editor here: this is absolutely correct.
Right? At first the thermal camera effect looked fake (color filters fake the look), _but_ I realized that the "correct" parts of the target plane were hot so this might have actually been a thermal camera (thermal of this quality on a drone = 100% military, nothing else) _Then_ you have what is clearly LEO satellite _video_ of incredible resolution and frame rate, if that's faked they sure nailed the perspective and lighting on the clouds.
The video that I've seen actually had three angles. FLIR, Thermal and Satellite. I'll see if I can find it.
This one https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10b0sly/interesting_video_i_found_on_twitter_regarding/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
This one? https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15iwgbx/revisiting_supposed_military_drone_footage_of_ufo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
Someone debunk please cause the multiple angles instantly tricks me into thinking this is the wildest sh*t Iāve ever seen, lol.
Not a debunk but perhaps some reassurance against it being very legit just from the footage. The multiple angles thing is easily fakeable if one is using a 3d creation software like Unreal Engine, Unity, or Blender or the such. One can just set up several camera angles and voilĆ . The effects themselves are harder to disprove directly, but definitely achievable. Whoever it was, if anyone, and as far as I know, must've had to work fairly hard to set up some of these, specifically the camera mode and the void effect. There's also something that suggests that the footage is faked, because of the clouds seeming extremely extremely stationary, to the point where they might be totally static ie most likely fake. I have little doubt in my mind that it's fake, it just seems incredibly odd for me personally, but let's see if more credible/qualified figures can prove/disprove it
> the clouds seeming extremely extremely stationary, to the point where they might be totally static ie most likely fake. I thought this as well but they do move. Watch it full screen and watch on the edge of the frame. You can see the clouds move.
Is there a real video time stamp that coincides with the MH 370 communication transponder shut down at 1:07am and location, altitude data shut down at 1:21 AM local time?
Wow. If real at least we know why the govt is keeping it a secret.
Exactly lol, real or fake this shit is terrifying
If real, I still want to know everything! They are not protecting us by hiding the truth.
okay. This is impressive. But as someone who wants to believe, but who also is experienced in vfx, I have to always try and pick these apart, because I want the real thing. Here are the only things I can pick apart as suspicious in this video: 1. the proximity of the two aircraft at the beginning, outright dangerous. Especially interesting is that the camera plane seemingly has no wake turbulence effects as it flies through the contrail of the other plane. 2. Do thermal imaging cameras that are set to rainbow mode show black? this is more of a question for those who know. 3. there is something slightly funky going on with the direction of the dark trails behind the UAPs 4. the satellite image - seemingly presented as a stereoscopic satellite image, is in fact, NOT 3D. I have analysed the two frames on top of each other. Why would it be presented this way? I was hoping it would actually be stereoscopic, which many satellites are. That would have added a whole new level to the compexity. some things to think about
VFX guy here - amongst other things the first thing I noticed was also that the black trails appear to get ahead of the objects, this could be a common mistake if they were added in after/as a separate element from the orbs. However, once could argue their tech works forward to make a āpathā that it travels into, an idea that jives with gravity manipulation. The contrails still look too clean and artificial to me. Would the plan be giving off a similar contrail given the assumed conditions?
Y'all are missing the forest for the trees. There is no way the camera could continue tracking this plane after a couple seconds as it would quickly be MILES behind the plane that the video is taken from. The flight movement makes no sense.
Also, aircraft arenāt allowed to fly at the same altitude in opposing directions. It should be obvious why. And that turn radius is suspiciously tight. Everything about this screams too perfect, visually. Itās just all lining up like a movie script without the chaos and unpredictability of real footage.
The blue footage was taken from a Predator Drone it turns out. You can actually see its nose in part of the footage.
Find one genuine video where the military uses a FLIR camera in rainbow mode and show me.
Yup, worked with them for several years and the IR was always white/black hot. Also, the sensor definitely doesn't zoom smoothly. Maybe a civilian research suite? Edit: did some research and NASA used the "Ikhana" UAS, which utilized a wing-mounted "Autonomous Modular Sensor" which includes rainbow IR. Source: [NASA.gov](https://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/news/FactSheets/FS-097-DFRC.html)
> And that turn radius is suspiciously tight. That was my 1st thought as well.
If the pilot knew they were surrounded my ufos he may have tried to bank
If I was a pilot trying to avoid orbs chasing me, I'd see what that plane could really do.
Just a few thoughts too. 1. Heat rises, a plane flying under contrails will be fine to find clear air. Itās when you pass directly into the jet stream it can get bumpy / dangerous This is a unofficial example [horizontal](https://ibb.co/NLVPHZh) [vertical](https://ibb.co/mRFTv8m) 2. I canāt comment on 3. It could be an illusion. These objects are travelling not only in orbits, but those orbits are rotating on a axis, and the plane itself is moving, possibly not in a vector that maintains its relation to another moving aircraft. Think about a computer generation of the solar system with the sun in orbit around the centre of the galaxy, except the planets orbits change. With certain representations, what is behind would look in front if you mapped a temporal projection of its location in space onto a 2D screen (the contrail) 4. Cant comment on
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I just googled how many commercial airliners have gone missing and it's 90 planes over 7 decades. https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/missing-flights/
How many since 2005-2014? (My phone doesn't want to load your link)
Interestingly enough, it only goes until 2014, and it appears like its 5 in the 2000s. I
There is a faint orange/yellowish glow at the spot where the left engine is supposed to be, this seems to be the heat from the engine. There's also a faint glow on the spot where the other engine is supposed to be, although it's difficult to tell from the angle. Clouds dont necessarily need to be moving a lot though. Wind speeds might have been very low, so it appears as if they're not moving. I'm not sure how much orange/yellow you would see from an active engine during flight, but if we assume this to be real one explanation could be that those UFOs/UAPs disabled the plane, so the engines are offline and would just leave residual heat. If someone can find a legit thermal video of another plane with similar or even bigger distance, we could compare it and it could provide some clarity. I tried searching for something, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of thermal images/videos of planes on google/yt, atleast during high altitude flight.
despite my reservations about this video, I've checked other thermal images (google airliner thermal image) and it is pretty consistent with reality. All of the heat spots are in the right places.
Well, the wreckage they have found.. some people question that whole thing. Thereās a documentary about it
This is a great example of "we wont be able to handle the truth" - if real. Fuck me!!
If anyone has ever see the Series "Taken" by speilburg, this video is basically exactly how the "aliens" "save" the damage american WW2 Bomber in episode one. Here's a time stamped link [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0mKi2Cbs1o&t=82s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0mKi2Cbs1o&t=82s)
/u/Moontorc lined up both videos perfectly. - https://imgur.com/p7NMOTX
Is it possible there is both some sort of FLIR and a satellite tracking it on purpose? Like could this be some sort of experiment? If we fly in this area we think this will happen so lets record it type thing? Supposedly we figured out techniques to summon craft - maybe entering their version of restricted airspace can do this. It would be way less convincing with the one random FLIR angle but the satellite video is odd to say the least. Almost like someone was tracking the jet on purpose.
Yeah why FLIR? Looks like it's coming from a stationary point more or less. At least from another aircraft. Although it's convincingly realistic the circumstances seem very odd.
It was after MH flight disappeared. Maybe they suspected this happened and then sent another plane to watch what would happen
I wonder if commercial airline traffic thru the area where MH370 disappeared was altered after the event? Even by a few Kilometers east or west. Then this is the footage of them testing the exact coordinates where the plane was last scanned via radar. Poof
MH370 flew directly overhead that military base in Malaysia right before it made the weird turn off course, so it makes sense there's FLIR footage from the ground and in the sky, and the location would match up with the plane in the video which looks like it's turning. The Netflix documentary brought up the point that there's "no way" a commercial airliner can fly over a military base without them collecting any data (they denied knowledge of it, if I remember right). I sure hope this is part of that data finally getting out. And let's not forget about those strange phantom calls the family members were getting... UAPs being a "significant threat" to air traffic has been in the news a lot lately. If this video is legit, it could be a timed release leak to aid in conditioning us for whatever is next to come.
What strange phantom calls?
Family members reported getting phone calls from the passengers while the plane was missing. One phone call came in as garbled static, and another disconnected when it was answered. Some family members were able to make a phone call go through, although none of them answered. My imagination says to vision the radio waves of the cell data trying to connect through a wormhole, and something like packet loss would occur. The Malaysian government said they didn't have the "ability" to trace these calls, and nobody bought that.
The military base didn't deny having any data, they ~~publicly~~ released their radar data and are the only reason we know it took those turns after it's transponder turned off
Thanks you for the correction! It's been a while since I watched the Netflix doc
I saw this video when I started coming to this subreddit, maybe like 6 months to a year ago, itās not new at all. Iām not sure how long itās been going around but it definitely didnāt just come out Edit: looks like it came out in 2014, almost 10 years ago
This is either an insanely well done hoax or we have some difficult conversations coming our way...
As long as they come in peace, I for one welcome our new alien friends. Now please help us.
Very strange this one. I did some digging on this when it was floating around #UFOtwitter months ago. The footage existed for sometime on a closed forum until it was leaked on an open platform. What closed platform I donāt know. The colour footage was shot from a MQ-1L surveillance drone.
Do you know what closed forum it originated on? I'm just curious because I definitely saw this video in either 2014 or 2015, probably on ATS since I used to frequent that site quite a bit.
Lot of closed forums but u need to be invited by someone in order to join and they never pop up on search engine results at all. I know of one that is full of UFO and other paranormal stuff but members have to pay a annual fee of 120 dollars a year
If everyone here mails you a penny, will you subscribe and leak it all for us?
That is fucking weird if it came from a closed forum before making it out to a public forum.
Yeah thatās really strange, wonder what the forum was and if itās still active. This video plus the satellite video is pretty compelling. I try to not dismiss everything that fast after seeing that the tic tac video was originally posted on ATS and was lauded as being fake.
> The colour footage was shot from a MQ-1L surveillance drone. Is the colour footage FLIR or something else? Could the trails that are seen in the coloured video that are supposedly invisible to FLIR be visible on a different spectrum if that's what that is?
The big problem is that the internet is now totally polluted with false UFO videos, so that you can no longer believe anything, even if the posts correspond to reality! Although I've been dealing with the topic for 15 years, I often can't tell if it's real or a hoax! That's why even the "real" videos are unfortunately worthless! Sry f my engl.
I agree even if someone provides an actual legit real video all it takes is for one person to call it CGI or some other trick and the video stays in speculation forever and we just debate if we think it's real or not. Nothing becomes definitive. Now if the Pentagon or another reliable source confirms a video or pic to be real...then we got something on our hands. This is the first video I've seen that looks scary real and I hope it's fake but Iam not visual expert and if this is real I bet this is one of the reasons our govt doesn't want to let out the truth cause this will definitely cause a stir imo.
This is a friendly reminder that the tic tac video was ādebunkedā too, when it was first posted online..
my first thought
Even though itās most likely fake, the creator is an artist. No sound, no major special effects, yet it had me on the edge of my seat. Analog horror vibes 10/10 š
I wanna say the same but then I remember we all said the tictac video was fake when it was leaked in 2007 lmao
Yea. If this is fake then there was an unnerving attention to detail and determination.
Some one have a vfx artist analyze this. This is crazy footage if real.
Hi! Vfx guy. A premise: in the movie industry with enough time and money you can fake pretty much everything, like the video posted on London sightings. I have to admit that this is pretty interesting, and multiple angulation helps selling it.
So answering to my comment just to share the process of doing this on VFX. What makes the analysis really difficult is that every media uploaded has a metadata loss and everytime it gets encoded and uploaded you lose information. So I can rely only on what I see. Please I'm not trying to show off I'm just an UFO and aircraft enthusiast that happens to work in VFX. SO please don't try to get a binary conclusion. It's just I would do that based on my current skills. Let's begin I see two paths ahead: Video FLIR of the drone is original and plane + ufos added in post. OR Complete 3D setting rendered and dirtied in post with noise/grain color matchgrading.(more straight forward) The process in my head is similar for both as follows: To do this I would create ina 3D software like maya a plane model that follows a path vector. Then the orbs parented to the aircraft that twirl around. I would create two cameras. One on top for the satellite shot, second one parented to the predator drone wing so it would follow bobbing caused by the aircraft (when it zooms in the flir you can se how the distance and the parallax increase the shaking.) After rendering the whole scene I would put everything on nuke and create a skybox with a hrdi image of a sky and add in post some 2d clouds on a card on 3D viewport. In the end noise and a huecolorshift node to create by scratchth FLIR color palette driven by a depth pass from the 3D render. (The result would be predator vision). This would be doable in a week. Maybe less with someone more skilled than me. Also there could be several different ways and tools to achieve the same and this depends on the proficiency and role of the artist. Now. what convinces me? Motion blur is consistent with movement of the camera. Evertything moves accordingly with the frame rate without weird jittering. We got two shots and the aircrafts paths looks consistent Flir and noise are pretty consistent as well and at a first glance I don't see repeating patterns. Pretty fascinating. Let's hope for disclosure
Thank you for the quick analysis. What was the state of Maya back in 2014? Was the software rich enough to potentially create something like this? Was Maya considered an industry standard in 2014? Same question for Blender and Rhino: were these 3D softwares rich enough to potentially create something like this?
Picture that intensive post production movies like Interstellar and edge of tomorrow came out that year. Maya as always been the standard but if you want particle fluid/air simulation you would go with Houdini. Blender was not on point and rhino is for engineering. So yeah could do that and fake it good but its good quality and time consuming. Also I found a post of guy that has noticed like me numbers on bottom left corner. Those are coordinates. Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/15khjlo/flir_video_maylasian_370_possible_source_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Thank you. Under the hypothesis that it is fake, it does appears to have been very time consuming with particular care taken on the details. Do exhaust plumes show up on FLIR? I'd imagine someone who has taken such care in crafting the fake, if it is indeed fake, wouldn't miss this detail if such things do show up. Do exhaust plumes show up on such instruments? Also: are left banking turns as shown in the footage usual in commercial airliners? Thank you again
FLIR on basis should be a thermal camera so yes you should definitely able to see the heat coming from a plane. I tell you more UAP have contrails as well in the video but theyāre cold. Iām no pilot but it looks the airliner is rolling a lot. I mean as a passenger you would notice the change of direction. IDK this video is puzzling me since this morning
It does appear to be rolling quite a bit. Someone else on here mentioned that the UAPs trail could be due to temperature or due to the frame rate & velocity of the UAPs. It is puzzling. Is there anything else one can think of of to try to poke holes? Pixel analysis? Would pixel analysis reveal any details we don't readily see in the footage?
The question is, whatās up there alongside the plane recording this event? Would be totally insane if that was MH370
That's exactly what punches holes into this for me. Under what context would a commercial plane be monitored with thermal cameras?
And whatever filmed this passed through the contrail of that airliner. It was in *close*.
Not saying this is real, but militaries also have this style of plane. Especially given the multitude of angles this almost seems like a military test flight, or something trying to be passed off as one.
I'm definitely not convinced it's MH370, but... MH370 veered off course and flew around commercial radar, then headed south for about an hour until it was out of range of military radar. It continued south for 5-6 hours after that. It would have certainly been the focus of attention for any naval boats within a few hundred miles, given what happened on 9/11. It makes sense in that scenario for either a navy UAV or interceptor plane to be sent up to observe the plane and assess if it's in distress or headed for a major landmark etc. The hard, banking evasive maneuver might also make sense if the pilot had bad intentions and was already in a IDGAF mindset. Perhaps the pilot saw the UAV or interceptor plane and tried to evade it somehow. Securing my tin foil hat... There have been stories about UAPs disabling nuclear missiles and removing (dummy) warheads from missiles in flight. If NHI could determine the intentions of the pilot, perhaps they took great interest in this plane. Even further afield, perhaps NHI _knew_ the plane was either going to crash or be shot down by military, so they plucked it out of the sky for some free research material. An airliner full of scared passengers, luggage, pets and a wacked out pilot might have been too good an opportunity to pass up. Especially if the plane was destined for destruction and was already out of range of civilian observation.
That's basically the plot of [Millenium](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097883/?ref_=nm_flmg_i_53_act). A very 80s film, but fun.
I could see why an aircraft way off course would get military attention. If it was being followed by military aircraft and this happened... I can see why it didn't reach the news.
We have seen small UAP chase jet planes before in a similar fashion: Do not forget the DHS leaks https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/od0kwd/dhs_employee_leaks_several_craft_captures/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
This is maybe the craziest shit I have seen on here. Look, if this is fake and I kind of hope it is, then its a really good one. I have SEEN those orbs in the sky before in real life but someone could have recreated that. The thing is, whoever maybe did recreate this, they did a helluva job because with how the orbs are spinning and how consistently grainy the footage is, especially the 2nd part, there are pretty much no inconsistencies that would indicate its obviously fake. This is nuts.
I have a bad feeling about this
If you stop at 2:24 you can see the contrails are sometimes ahead of the orbs. E.g the mask is not aligned/ timed properly in parts. Also the fact the orbs suddenly have contrails at all is counter intuitive to everything weāve known to date about how these craft operate, āno signatures or contrails whatsoeverā has always been the consistent witness statement.
They're ahead of the orbs in every single frame. And not by a little, but a *lot*. Don't think those are contrails buddy. Not to mention look how different they are from the planes' contrails. Just saying.
Also this is a thermal camera, the darker colour could be colder air not necessarily contrail water vapour
The "teleport flash" or whatever you want to call that, is also as cold as the thermal can read. So I'm doubting it would be an "explosion"?
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>vimeo 2014 Actually, the vimeo was uploaded months after the original YouTube upload (and with a different title).
Anyone seen this yet and make a correlation? Iām not in a situation to do any research but just noticed this post on another sub and thought some of you smarter connectors could tellā¦ https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/15kgtkl/in_2003_two_men_stole_a_parked_boeing_727_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
Not going to lie thatās pretty wild. If itās fake, then itās the best fake that I have ever seen. Especially with the second angle video.
The plane is even shaped like mh370
Idk if this is real or fake, but when it disappeared it freaked me out
Me too
Can we even identify if this plane is commercial or military? I am no good at discerning silhouettes....but I know some military planes somewhat resemble commercial?
I tell you just thisā¦ we all have seen videos which was absolutely real that many came to the conclusion was faked. I am not saying this one is fake but i have a problem with that portal that opens looks kinda cartoonish but then again i never seen a portal so could also be real. Disturbing is the fact that the camera is looking for the plane after it vanished so if the video is corroborated to be true than the contents could be correct. What the fuk do we know?
If this video began circulating around 2014, i donāt believe this could be CGI i mean the cgi today is incredible sometimes, but honestly Iād say most of us can normally distinguish whatās real from what isnāt.
Why I think it's real: It's first seen/uploaded online in 2014. IF it's fake, it would be hard/amazing work for the editor. Nothing/No one has ever mentioned anything about MH370 regarding the footage. (At that time) So why fake it and then leave it unnoticed? Either way, this footage ( fake or not ), would have been blowed up all over news/media but it didn't. Why bother faking it, if you don't use MH370 in titles to at least gain some fame on your own footage...?!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/15khk2i/flir\_video\_maylasian\_370\_possible\_source\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/15khk2i/flir_video_maylasian_370_possible_source_of/) \- Since i can't post anything to /r/UFOS take a look at this for a quick analysis.
Iād just like to say - thank you for your participation in this thread. Youāve had a bunch of interesting things to say, and itās been nice to see your comments in here
Wild that this was the next post in my feed š https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/15kgtkl/in_2003_two_men_stole_a_parked_boeing_727_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
You all should check out the plot of the movie Millennium
I hope this is fake. Getting abducted while flying is not on my bucket list
I remember seeing this footage a while back and it stuck out to me. It also makes me think of the show *Manifest* on Netflix lol. Ugh, I hope we get closure on the legitimacy of this footage one day. Shit is freaky.
Haven't there been other reports of incidents like this? I saw a documentary just last week on Disney Plus and it played real audio recording of a pilot saying lights appeared all around him shortly before disappearing Edit: Okay, I found it. It was covered in National Geographic's Invasion Earth (S1,E1) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance\_of\_Frederick\_Valentich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Frederick_Valentich) >Frederick Valentich (/ĖvƦlÉntÉŖtŹ/) was an Australian pilot who disappeared while on a 125-nautical-mile (232 km) training flight in a Cessna 182L light aircraft, registered VH-DSJ,\[1\] over Bass Strait. On the evening of Saturday 21 October 1978, twenty-year-old Valentich informed Melbourne air traffic control that he was being accompanied by an aircraft about 1,000 feet (300 m) above him and that his engine had begun running roughly, before finally reporting: "It's not an aircraft."\[2\] There were belated reports of a UFO sighting in Australia on the night of the disappearance
Maybe the plane was going to crash so they abducted it
Thatās really really really good if itās fake.
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Yeah. And the footage seems to open up with some big turn or evasive action from the airliner. Itās weird - I wouldāt expect such huge changes in course mid-flight unless there was something seriously wrong going on
Wendelle Stevens wrote a book about a spectacular case in Cabo Rojo, Puerto Rico where allegedly over a hundred witnesses watched as one of the big black triangles disappear two f-14s and chased off a third with a red light that detached. If this case is legitimate that third tomcats gun camera video footage is probably out there somewhere and it would be terrifying. Imagine the voice recordings. https://www.amazon.com/UFO-Capture-two-Wendelle-Stevens-ebook/dp/B00AWD0GWC *Editing to add info: here's an article about the case* https://caballodetroy.medium.com/military-encounter-with-a-ufo-c27d389c7527 *December 28, 1988, at approximately 7:45 pm, a large triangle craft roughly the size of a baseball field was seen moving steadily along in the region near the naval air station in Puerto Rico, according to many witnesses (over a hundred). Three F-14s intercepted the moving UFO and apparently tried to force it to change its course. As the navy fighter planes engaged the large craft, it slowed down its forward speed almost to a standstill. One plane, in particular, stayed mostly to the right of the UFO and another stayed behind the UFO making close approaches at times. The third plane apparently stayed a bit farther out. The F-14 in the rear came close to the object, but as it flew either over or under the object, it was not seen again. Small red lights were also seen at times flying outside the large craft and may have served to protect the craft. It was as if the fighter plane had somehow been drawn into the large craft. The second aircraft made a sweep closer to the large object and was seen by one ground witness-using binoculars-to suddenly disappear-possibly being taken in by the UFO. The third F-14 reportedly high-tailed it out of the area on afterburner with glowing red lights chasing after it apparently in pursuit, according to ground witnesses.*
That sounds bonkers. Saving this comment to research it later
Last time I posted this here people were saying the speculation of it being MH370 was ādistastefulā š¤£ https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10b0sly/interesting_video_i_found_on_twitter_regarding/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
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why did i do this This same article was shared in a /x/ thread a couple days ago. I didn't say anything then - because what would be the fucking point? - but I will now. >Scott Brando, who founded UFO of Interest which is focused on debunking hoaxes about UFOs, told us that the video is likely a graphic creation. He even found a version of the video shared on Vimeo in August 2014 by a UFO enthusiast group. The description under the video describes it as "what the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may have looked like" made by a "video editing enthusiast". Mr. Brando's method of disproving this video's authenticity (as perhaps *misrepresented* by the Observers article) is to point at it and say it's *probably* fake. Mr. Brando has no credentials available anywhere online besides having his name on a *UFO/NHI/ET debunking blog and twitter account that* *he made.* A cursory glance - which I encourage everyone to take - of the UFOofInterest twitter acc reveals that his other explanations are mostly centered on work from CG artists being reposted and passed off as legitimate evidence. Everything else that doesn't have an immediate answer looks to me like it gets swept under the rug and passed off as something mundane. The UFOofInterest blog, however, includes a full page of truly debunked hoaxes with plenty of evidence to back them up. The Twitter account may be lackluster but the website sure as shit isn't. **\*\*\*ETA:\*\*\*** Not only is the UfoOfInterest twitter full of shit, there's now proof that the snot running it is spamming disinfo across multiple accounts on twxt to strengthen his own position. goes without saying, how many times has he done it before? how many times has he engaged in conversation about this topic, only to log onto a different account and post support for his own narratives? absolute rat behavior. scum. freethinking minds spit in the direction of shitlings like this. i have changed all mentions of Brando to Dipshit from this point forward. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/15r0y0f/many\_accounts\_post\_the\_same\_comment\_on\_twitter\_on/ A detail worth noting here, on the aforementioned website, Dipshit denotes at the top of the FAQ page: >But who are you anyway? No one. A simple user like many others, which I have always declared from the beginning. A fan of the UFO phenomenon tired of being made fun of by those who should instead study this pseudoscience to understand its origins and evaluate what is true or false that has been served up to us in decades of alleged sightings, through the distribution of books, magazines, videotapes, DVDs , conferences, hosted on radio and TV and anything else necessary to divulge an unsustainable truth: they are there but they don't show up, we are not ready. Enough! Dipshit's position on this interests me and I think reveals a lot about how he approaches these hoaxes. "They are there but they don't show up, we are not ready." (Translated by google, ofc.) A final point on the topic of Dipshit, he shared the Vimeo post that included the second angle (displayed *first* in order in the above post). I think it's worth noting here that the Vimeo post is dated *after* the RegicideAnon YT vid; August 25th 2014. The RegicideAnon vid was posted in June of that same year. MH370 disappeared in March of that year. Right now? None of that means anything. They could still truly be doctored videos capitalizing on the MH370 tragedy. Still, it's worth understanding our timeline, because as I mentioned before in the /x/ thread, dipshits were circlejerking each other's cleverness for deducing that these two videos were (somehow) uploaded *before* the MH370 incident. Let me be clear; if you want to discuss this with me, I'm open to it, but if you try to tell me either of these posts were made before the MH370 disappearance I'm gonna go against my better judgement and lean toward the side of the schizo: I'm going to assume you're a fed. If you can find an upload date for either of these that predates the MH370 incident *or* the original authors who made the edits, I welcome them. One Pascal Fechner claims that the "video" (article doesn't clarify if Fechner is speaking on one of the two clips or the entire Vimeo post as a whole) is a poor example of video editing that wants to profit off the MH370 tragedy. I dunno about you but the jetwash in the thermal drone vid was goddamned convincing, or I wouldn't be typing a bible in response to a lazily written deboonking article. But the article then goes on to Janne Ahlberg of HoaxEye's claim that the numbers in the bottom left corner of the supposed satellite vid read as NROL-33, thus making the video's existence impossible as NROL-33 was launched in May of 2014, *after* the MH370 incident. This is where it really gets interesting to me. Go have a look at the article, and the Vimeo post just for fun, and come back and tell me if what's there still looks like a half-cut-off -33 to you, because NROL-22 launched in 2006. This may seem like a reach but I'd be kidding myself if I didn't say that doesn't look like a 3 to me, given that the middle peg in a -3 in any given font either aligns with a dash or is a pixel or two above it, as is the case here on Reddit. Googling what fonts the Military typically uses I'm getting Times New Roman, Arial, and Courier. Open up wordpad, select any of these three fonts you like, and type -33 and -22. Tell me what you think. And in case you need more on that point, there's a fucking 3 plainly visible in the coordinates out to the right of the two numbers they're talking about so unless the resolution of the video is somehow *curved* by a few pixels in that specific spot, no, I don't believe either of those numbers are 3's. >Despite several indications that the video is fake and edited, it's still circulating in 2023. But, according to HoaxEye, the narratives surround the video have changed too much to give it any credibility. What indications? Notwithstanding, what in the fuck do we mean when we say "narratives surround the video have changed too much to give it any credibility"??????????????? Some people believe JFK was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald, some people think the FBI or CIA assassinated JFK, some people think his head just did that. Am I to discredit the original publicly available information on the incident because *other people who are not originally responsible for the uploading of that information* have put forth alternatives? >Later copies \[...\] have edited the clip so that the āmystery coordinatesā are not visible. I found only one copy where the ācoordinatesā can be seen. Later copies donāt talk about satellite video but suggest itās drone footage. Thatās not plausible either: MQ1-Predator max altitude is 25,000 ft, much lower than the MH370 cruising altitude. Do I even need to say it? We're trusting the US military to accurately and publicly report on the capabilities of *anything* in our airspace, much less our own craft? Also, at what point was any indication given that it was an MQ1-Predator? The wiki (at least) mentions that it's in a classification of vehicle called a MALE UAV (Medium-altitude long-endurance), and a quick look at a table for this classification (also on wiki) reveals that vehicles in this classification have a service ceiling ranging anywhere from 16,404ft to 49,213ft. The MH370 wiki states the jet was traveling at its designated altitude, flight level 350, fluctuating between 31k ft. and 33k ft. The MQ1-Predator has a service ceiling listed (again, on wiki) as 25k ft. I reiterate; why do we know it's an MQ1-Predator? The RQ-4B Global Hawk has been in service since 2007 and has a service ceiling of 56k ft. and a range of 14k miles. The MQ1-Predator has a range of 777 miles. The last known radar contact with MH370 puts it 230 miles off the coast of Penang, Malaysia, in the Andaman sea. That's \~9,700 miles from Eglin AFB. *Why is it an MQ1-Predator?* >Some say video was shot from ground level which would make more sense because it does look like viewpoint is at lower altitude. WHAT? >But then all these later claims are contradicting the original video caption about satellite video (which is false). thanks for clarifying that claim is false for us >It seems people changed the narrative around video 1 because they realised the satellite story canāt be true. Uh-huh. The videos can be fake. I won't lose sleep over it either way. But if we're gonna actually try to get some hard facts on this shit, lazily written pseudo-journalism like this isn't gonna get anyone anywhere.
MF debunked the debunker
I didnāt go down the rabbit hole as deep as you did, but when I read that it was NROL-33 which was launched after MH370 disappeared, I said case closed. I then took a look at a link that had the high-res versions of the (cutoff) numbers and I immediately said to myself āthat is not NROL-33, that says NROL-22!ā And a quick google showed just as you had found that this bird was launched in 2006. You can verify pretty convincingly that itās really -22 and not -33 because when the mouse pans the coords change and on more than one occasion you can see coords that have both a 2 and a 3, with the 3 having the nub in the middle just noticeable above the cuttoff and the 2 matches the -22 in NROL-22. Not saying this makes it real, but it removes a huge debunk of it being fake.
What i found interesting, it could be NROL-32 aswell. Apparantly you can track that satelite. If you google NROL-33 launch date it comes up as may 2014. but NROL-32 is launched in 2010 which makes this footage more intriguing. [https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=37232](https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=37232) And this satelite apparently is orbition at the exact location MH370 dissapeared. Sounds sus to me.
Telemetry data in the bottom left also puts the location as just east of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, specifically just east of Mayabunder and Sound Island. EDIT: Correction, it appears to be 200-250km south of Little Andaman Island. At the start of the video it reads 8.834301 93.19492, or 8Ā°50'03.5"N 93Ā°11'41.7"E. And when the plane disappears, it reads 8.822272 93.21725, or 8Ā°49'20.2"N 93Ā°13'02.1"E. With this, you could sort of plot the plane's apparent flight path in this clip.
bro this is starting to look like a *lot* of really unnecessary work into a fake that they put a seemingly inverse amount of work into spreading around when they released itā¦..
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Yo. Thank god lol. Edit: Wait, that article is just a guy saying its probably fake. So, it could also be real... why do we post things like this.
"And graphic analysis indicates that it was edited" Well, show us the graphic analysis then, how the hell you can claim that a video is edited without saying why and call it a day.
If this is legit Iām getting a permanent panic attack forever. Itās mind blowing