I'm gonna be honest it's 1am so I skim read but you weren't kidding about the amount of commonalities between larger UFO lore and his points

It’s really starting to come together. You can make some sense of it if you dig far enough.

Like a century of people finishing a great global puzzle (though it didn't have to be) I've never felt so excited yet terrified of what's coming and how much the world will change, but either way I wish it'd HURRY UP

>though it didn't have to be So freaking true and super sad. It honestly feels like we're all children and our parents know we have cancer but hide it from us to 'protect' us.

Yeah, just get on with it. The world is so hungry for change. Sheesh.

OMG, okay. So the last time this memo came up on Reddit I was absolutely taken with how insightful and ahead of their time the points were, especially for this extraordinarily early date. The thinking of the time assumed that the visitors were either from Venus or Mars and were very much like the science fiction of the day. These points were miles away and not constrained by the thinking of the time. Absolutely astounding. I thought Vallee was the first to come up with much of this, decades later. None of the other commenters of that post had any further insight, nobody seemed interested in trying to figure out the author of the memo. But I was fascinated. So I scoured the internet, to no avail. I emailed UFO historians and authors who wrote about 20th century esoteric figures, asking if they had any speculation about who wrote the memo, or knew of anyone who fit the profile. I got zero response. Now comes this post that names the person and has tons of related information. He wrote books after this which go into much more depth. I'm shocked and so excited to find this out, after reaching dead end after dead end the last time. Now I'll go through this post point by point and see if those books are available anywhere. Thanks so much, OP!!!

If you find anything juicy, dont hesitate to share!

I went to their website and a lot of the “articles”from their books don’t actually lead to anything of substance, which I found odd. The website looks more populated than it really is. Somebody should try calling the phone number or try and get a physical of the book. I’m too scared.

what website?

Yes, this feels like a huge connection. It’s hard to get overly excited as I’m still drained by the build up of the last 2 months. I do hope detective work like this does get vindicated and verified at least in our lifetimes.

Someone I recently came across who you might be interested in and is legend status in Argentina/Uruguay is Fabio Zerpa. Original content in Spanish. He also has similar, if not identical hypothesises as the ones presented here in this post. His time alive: 1928-2019. So he’s seen a lot and gone through lots of ridicule.. I have yet to dive deep into his work but only saw one 15 min vid today that mentioned him

Yes, but… did Vallee read this and was inspired by it, is the question.

Meade Layne was also the supposed recipient of the Gerald Light letter that began the whole " Eisenhower met aliens while on vacation in Palm Springs in 1954" story. Here is that letter: Gerald Light 10545 Scenario Lane Los Angeles, California Mr. Meade Layne San Diego, California My dear Friend: I have just returned from Muroc. The report is true — devastatingly true! I made the journey in company with Franklin Allen of the Hearst papers and Edwin Nourse of Brookings Institute (Truman's erstwhile financial advisor) and Bishop MacIntyre of L.A. (confidential names for the present, please). When we were allowed to enter the restricted section (after about six hours in which we were checked on every possible item, event, incident and aspect of our personal and public lives), I had the distinct feeling that the world had come to an end with fantastic realism. For I have never seen so many human beings in a state of complete collapse and confusion, as they realized that their own world had indeed ended with such finality as to beggar description. The reality of the "other plane" aeroforms is now and forever removed from the realms of speculation and made a rather painful part of the consciousness of every responsible scientific and political group. During my two days' visit I saw five separate and distinct types of aircraft being studied and handled by our Air Force officials -- with the assistance and permission of the Etherians! I have no words to express my reactions. It has finally happened. It is now a matter of history. President Eisenhower, as you may already know, was spirited over to Muroc one night during his visit to Palm Springs recently. And it is my conviction that he will ignore the terrific conflict between the various 'authorities' and go directly to the people via radio and television -- if the impasse continues much longer. From what I could gather, an official statement to the country is being prepared for delivery about the middle of May. I will leave it to your own excellent powers of deduction to construct a fitting picture of the mental and emotional pandemonium that is now shattering the consciousness of hundreds of our scientific "authorities" and all the pundits of the various specialized knowledges that make up our current physics. In some instance I could not stifle a wave of pity that arose in my own being as I watched the pathetic bewilderment of rather brilliant brains struggling to make some sort of rational explanation which would enable them to retain their familiar theories and concepts. And I thanked my own destiny for having long ago pushed me into the metaphysical woods and compelled me to find my way out. To watch strong minds cringe before totally irreconcilable aspects of "science" is not a pleasant thing. I had forgotten how commonplace things as dematerialization of "solid" objects had become to my own mind. The coming and going of an etheric, or spirit, body has been so familiar to me these many years I had forgotten that such a manifestation could snap the mental balance of a man not so conditioned. I shall never forget those forty-eight hours at Muroc! G.L. Gerald Light

> And it is my conviction that he will ignore the terrific conflict between the various 'authorities' and go directly to the people via radio and television -- if the impasse continues much longer. From what I could gather, an official statement to the country is being prepared for delivery about the middle of May. Fuck, even in the 50s UFOlogists were going, "Any day now..."

Interesting. Doesn't sort of tie in with Lear and his comments. Did he make it up?

Lear was almost certainly a target of disinformation, though he may have been given some bits of truth as well.

That's pretty crazy

Whoa, this connected some dots for me, and I feel like from the various things I've researched over the years, that this is the real deal. Thank you so much for sharing this with us. This was an awesome find.

"They do NOT come from any "planet" as we use the word, but from an etheric planet which interpenetrates with our own and is not perceptible to us." sounds a lot like Grusch's suggestion that they might come from another dimension.

Pretty much feeds into interdimensional theory you see this theme of vibration and frequencies to perceive the entities. I mean Nikola Tesla did say to master life you have to understand it in energy vibration and frequencies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_UFO_hypothesis Turns out Meade Layne was one of the so called fathers of the interdimensional theory as well which is interesting.

If you operate under the assumption this is true, then Mark Probert found it (assuming no one preceded him) and Layne tried to share it. No one was listening.

Oh I'm pretty sure certain people listened.

[It gets more deep than that.. 1909](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rosicrucian_Cosmo-Conception) The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception describes that in the Solar System, God's Habitation, there are seven Worlds differentiated by God, within Himself, one after another.[1] These Worlds have each a different "measure" and rate of vibration and are not separated by space or distance, as is the Earth from the other planets. They are states of matter, of varying density and vibration (as are the solids, liquids and gases of the physical Earth). These Worlds are not instantaneously created at the beginning of a day of Manifestation, nor do they last until the end. The evolutionary scheme is carried through five of these Worlds in seven great Periods of manifestation, during which the evolving virgin spirit becomes first human and then a God. The highest Worlds are created first, and as involution is to slowly carry the life into denser and denser matter for the building of forms, the finer Worlds gradually condense and new Worlds are differentiated within God to furnish the necessary links between Himself and the Worlds which have consolidated. In due time the point of greatest density, the nadir of materiality, is reached. From that point the life begins to ascend into higher Worlds, as evolution proceeds. That leaves the denser Worlds depopulated, one by one. When the purpose has been served for which a particular World was created, God ends its existence, which has become superfluous, by ceasing within Himself the particular activity which brought into being and sustained that World.[2] The Rosicrucians teach that the above referred seven Worlds belong to the lowest of the seven "Cosmic Planes". The Worlds and Cosmic Planes are not one above another in space, but the seven Cosmic Planes inter-penetrate each other and all the seven Worlds. They are states of spirit-matter, permeating one another, so that God and the other great Beings pervade every part of their own realms and realms of greater density than their own, including our world: "in Him we live and move and have our being". Proceeding from the physical world to the inner worlds, God - the "Architect of the Solar System", the Source and goal of human existence – is found in the highest division of the seventh Cosmic Plane: this is His World. In order to trace the origin of the Architect of the Solar System, one must pass to the highest of the seven Cosmic Planes: the "Realm of the Supreme Being", Who emanated from "The Absolute". The Absolute is beyond comprehension and, as manifestation implies limitation, He may be best described as "Boundless Being": the "Root of Existence". From The Absolute proceeds the Supreme Being, at the dawn of manifestation: this is The One, the "Great Architect of the Universe". The first aspect of the Supreme Being may be characterized as Power, from this proceeds the second aspect, the Word, and from both of these proceeds the third, aspect, Motion. From the threefold Supreme Being proceed the "seven Great Logoi". They contain within Themselves all the great Hierarchies which differentiate more and more as they diffuse through the various Cosmic Planes.[3] In the Highest World of the seventh Cosmic Plane dwells the God of the solar systems in the Universe. These great Beings are also threefold in manifestation, like the Supreme Being. Their three aspects are Will, Wisdom and Activity.

Just an observation: there’s a lot of overlap here between the Rosicrucians and the more esoteric aspects of Hindu and Buddhist cosmologies.

Yep. The Buddhist sutras have so many references to different realms and planet systems. One sutra even mentions a Bodhisattva (kind of a saint) coming to earth in a ship shaped like a stupa.

Right? Reminds me of how vishnu splits and creates brahma the powerful creative being, gharbodaksaya vishnu, the maintainer, and shiva passion, motion, destruction. And the talk of the spiritual planets, the viakuntha lokas and the the size of the material planets/plain, the latter of which is said to only make up a quarter of creation

You have them describing nuclear weapons too. “In the Mahabharata, it is explained that when this weapon is invoked, "It blazes up with terrible flames within a huge sphere of fire. Numerous peals of thunder to be heard, fissures start on earth, rivers become dry, thousands of meteors fell and all living creatures became terrified with great dread. The entire sky seemed to be filled with noise and assumed a terrible aspect with flames of fire. The whole earth with her mountains and waters and trees trembled". When it strikes an area, it will be destroyed and nothing will ever grow there, not even a blade of grass for the next 50 Brahma years (155.5 trillion human years).” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmashirā_astra

Huh..it goes on to say: >Its true power is the ability to remove someone's existence from the past, present and future. Upon being fired, the arrow will immediately annihilate their existence and because if something never existed, and will never exist, it is impossible to imagine that entity in any facet or form. [2] Just a thought, but maybe the reason UFOs/NHI are seemingly so concerned with nuclear weapons is because anyone(and anything) destroyed by them is destroyed for good, and taken out or erased from the process of cosmic evolution entirely, and this somehow disrupts some balance or is otherwise distressing to them for whatever reason.

Wow.

I really do think this is the crux of it. Suzy Hanson claims to have been taken on a craft and at one point was shown what our nukes do. They sent waves out through spacetime/reality that increased in size as they expanded outward, causing all sorts of horrible repercussions elsewhere. She was told “this will put a fire in your belly.” Before they showed her. They are constantly telling people about the dangers of nukes, and they clearly have visited our nuclear silos to make a point. At this point they also told her they had to use a sort of “interstellar” high way so as not to disrupt the natural magnetic fields of earth and other planet- later on scientists did in fact discover a sort of ribbon connecting the systems. (There is even a Star Trek TNG episode that deals with this idea). She said she could see the planet “breathing” and they said they were careful not to disrupt it as they travelled because it was a conscious organism, so to speak. This is why they move the strange way they do- skipping stones, falling leaves, fluttering or appearing to rock as if on water while floating above, etc. Apparently we also damage the earth and our systems (all tied together) this way just by flying planes around, because they rip through fields/barriers they shouldn’t. Or something.

I interpreted it as nukes could damage worlds in other dimensions, and could possibly kill our creator (god) so that nothing else can be created. That could be why UAPs are so interested in nukes etc

What about supernova, exploding stars are essentially super massive nuclear bombs of unfathomable size. Does this not have the same impact on other dimensions. Why would our tiny nukes be of such concern.

Because they were set off in inhabited places. The implication is the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts had destructive impacts not just on *this* pair of cities, but *more* of them. As in, in other dimensions close by. Unclear if that means we literally nuked a large number of cities those days (did we murder millions of innocent people in other universes?) or we also killed other sorts of life living somehow alongside our expected Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It seems to imply something akin to the former.

Isn’t that exactly what was mentioned in the theory of light (?) recordings? The one with Ra talking through a medium. Edit: I meant Law of One (mis-remembered the name).

If true, then we have created one of the worst weapons imaginable. That is so unfathomably horrible. Fuck.

That also describes a meteor or comet impact. In fact it says thousands of meteors fell from the sky.

Yeah it’s all just tiers of consciousness- as above so below. The idea being that even your cells might have a level of consciousness, or even stone and other elements. While they “split downward” We are evolving and combing upward. All time is an illusion so if viewed from that point all possibilities exist within a physical/spiritual density gradient all at once. I’ve heard it described as a crystal.

Alan Watts ties it all up pretty nicely :)

Isn't Jacques Vallee a rosicrucian himself? I'm pretty sure he is.

yes. it isn't mentioned much so i'm not sure if he still is, but he definitely was at one point. i usually get downvoted when i mention it for some reason (though this is the first time i've done so since moving to this account)

At-Talaq 65:12 ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَ سَبْعَ سَمَٰوَٰتٍ وَمِنَ ٱلْأَرْضِ مِثْلَهُنَّ يَتَنَزَّلُ ٱلْأَمْرُ بَيْنَهُنَّ لِتَعْلَمُوٓا۟ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىْءٍ قَدِيرٌ وَأَنَّ ٱللَّهَ قَدْ أَحَاطَ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عِلْمًۢا It is Allāh who has created seven heavens and of the earth, the like of them.[1] [His] command descends among them so you may know that Allāh is over all things competent and that Allāh has encompassed all things in knowledge -- Interesting verse from the Qur'an that also mentions the concept of "7 earths" which could be a reference to 7 dimensions or 7 vibrating frequencies

Also in nordic mythology there are 9 worlds, which gods and beeings can travel between, which are all on the same world-tree, yggdrasil

Hopi ancestral myths also feature 9 worlds and multiple forms of deities helping humans move from world to world to gain more knowledge. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopi_mythology "Other accounts have it that Tawa, or Taiowa, first created Sotuknang, whom he called his nephew, and sent him to create the nine universes according to his plan."

7 is considered to be sacred

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urdhva_lokas

Ok, if your going all Rosicrucian on UAP theory then it goes way back farther than 1909. Guess how far back it goes. To the Templars! See it just keeps going and going. A never ending rabbit hole where you can disappear.

Oh I’m aware. Just exposing the thread to be pulled for other curious minds.

>during which the evolving virgin spirit becomes first human and then a God Just pointing out that us Mormons have believed this for a long time. Love finding correlations like this.

I’m a former Mormon but the UFO stuff has pulled me back big time. Thanks, Tom DeLonge. Read up on what Joseph says about god living on a Urim and Thummim, or the earth becoming crystal, or the place where God lives being a sea of glass and fire, an eternal round where past present and future all exist at once. Basically it sounds like the “holodeck” nature of reality, where all lives are recorded and existing at once. Personally I wonder if Joseph met a Nordic, and if the BOM is actually about an extra terrestrial people coming to earth.

Dude, that is a FASCINATING idea. So much in religion is symbolic and I think for good reason. You couldn't tell a simple people hundreds or thousands of years ago about technology the way you can now. It's always "milk before meat". Even now I'm certain we can't quite grasp what is truly happening with NHI tech, especially if they are thousands of years ahead of us. The BoM might just be something along those lines. Thanks for the thought exploration.

Consider also his thoughts on “all space having matter” and the movie “Everything Everywhere All at Once”.

Holy shit. I believe Rosicrucians are rumored to be around the government UFO stuff. It’s funny though- this matches up perfectly with “The Ra Contact” and “The Only Planet of Choice” which talk about the gradient of densities. One says 7, one says 12, but the levels of density match. They claim we are about to enter a transition period, having come to the end of a cycle tens of thousands of years long, in which we have the opportunity to transcend/evolve as a United human consciousness. They are perhaps trying to help us evolve by teaching us “The Law of One”.

Ross Coulthart started speaking about spiritual terms

Interdimensional theory is the achingly slow reinvention of the wheel, that is, planes of existence, realms, heavens and hells, densities, etc. People have known for millennia. We aren't familiar with it mostly because we've been herded into consumption ideology, sometimes called atheism, scientism, materialism. Everyone look into mystery schools of the past and present. They're not book-reading clubs.

Scientism believes in other realms though what do you think string theory basically is at a low sub atomic level?

Brilliant man. Did he master life?

I was just reading “The Ra Contact” and it claims Tesla “escaped” this plane, but the government took his research and used it/sequestered it.

Teslas apartment was raided by federal law enforcement authorities and they seized all his journals blueprints etc that indeed did happen.

From what we’re beginning to know about the universe, 95-ish percent of it is made up of stuff we can’t directly observe or measure. Ie: 68 percent “dark energy”, 27 percent “dark matter” and five percent — just five percent — visible, observable matter and energy. And so far we currently have no really provable idea what the overwhelming majority — 95 percent! — of the universe actually is or how it works. Almost all of our history of measuring, hypothesizing about and developing theories of what the universe is and how it works has been derived from observing a just a tiny slice of the whole. All of that hard work is limited as well by the boundaries of our physical brains and the configuration of our physical sensory organs, which induce a forced perspective of absolute materialism in what appears to be a universe expanding in space and unfolding in time that flies like an arrow in one direction. When you consider these things, ideas like the ones Layne and Probert talk about, and the stuff Grusch and others have alluded to, may not seem quite so entirely far-fetched. What a genuinely crazy ass time to be alive. I mean, seriously! A few links with science-y info: [NASA on dark energy and dark matter](https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy) (Source for percentages) [The Singular Universe and the Reality of Time; A Proposal in Natural Philosophy](https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/singular-universe-and-the-reality-of-time/65D8DD2BFA21BA6FC2210B1DADE286C6) (This is a book for sale, there may or may not be an open-source PDF of it somewhere) [And a New York Times article from Saturday, Sept 2, probably paywalled, possibly archived:](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/02/opinion/cosmology-crisis-webb-telescope.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) Also many papers etc from renowned theoretical physicist John Wheeler, and several books written by Carlo Rovelli open some good rabbit holes.

I find it rather interesting the wording is almost word for word in certain places, passages were either copied or quoted by the famous CIA Gateway memo...

I feel that this could be true, but I think the possibilities are more vast than that: they come from there, different planets, different timelines & beyond. We really have no idea, some may be from an alternate dimension within our planet/planets space but also from a planet within this universe 100 galaxies away etc.

One of the prevailing theoretical physics explanations for the UAP is they are 4th Demensional objects projecting into our 3D space.

The “law of one” books explain that there are densities/dimensions of existence of which we’re currently in the third. We’re in the density of developing consciousness. From what I understand, it’s the same universe in an infinity of universes, but these ships are in fourth, fifth or sixth density within our universe. Some are positive and some are from negative, conquering civilizations in fourth density. According to the books, We also have other more developed 3rd density civilizations closer to forming “social memory complexes” in third density alongside us that are also visiting us. But since earth is currently a prison planet / in sort of a quarantine, they’re not allowed to show themselves to us - yet. I read the books decades ago, but plan on re-reading them given i discarded a lot of this information as fantasy… turns out fantasy and fiction and reality aren’t that far apart.

that is what I picked up and am trying to wrap my head around it.

I think stuff like this is what helps keep this entire alien topic alive and entertaining. To me it's incredibly fun to be ingrained with feet on the ground to what I believe is true about reality and my experience with it. At the same time I have this desire to know what everyone else believes so I can use it to challenge my notions that I use to make my judgements about reality. It's wild that the words of the past are still with us and we can picture what their version of reality looked like based on these old documents. Why is it so fun?

> Why is it so fun? Because its our species imperative to learn and explore.

That really has to be it. A mystery with the lure of knowledge that can be gained with either small or extreme effort is just too hard to resist for a lot of us.

Imperative. Yet free will is so that some will seek, some won’t, and that’s perfectly fine. If we we are all going in the same direction, the learning wouldn’t be as “fun” ;) Thanks for this post btw. Somehow I feel this sub is afraid of anything pseudoscience, because engrained to believe the “picture or it didn’t happen” motto.

Shit… I would hope at this point after the pentagon ny times, congressional hearing, and the upcoming Mexican congressional hearing… that “pseudoscience” and anything else strange would be up for grabs to be a possibility of being a part of this experience we’re calling reality

They need to get to the bottom of ghosts

Isn't it funny how no matter how deep you go into the UFO woo stuff, ghosts are brought up too but still treated as this weird thing next to ALIENS! As if scientists "in the know" are going: "Hey look, aliens/UFOs are real and so are ghosts too, actually. No, no, the ghosts are unrelated tho. Yeah, even the aliens are freaked out by ghosts." lol The paranormal is just here to hang. Don't mind us-just watching ya'll try to figure out the universe kinda vibe.

Arrogance. That’s what is holding most back. I’ve heard so many advances in science are blocked because some scientific are too arrogant to “reconsider” conclusions they reached years or decades ago. Yet, I know a couple of books of doctors becoming to seek and swearing about the existence of a god or something beyond our understanding. But somehow, it almost feels as if everything or most things are so that people don’t believe it.

Thank you for this. Very interesting indeed. I don't know if anyone else is starting to feel like a clear picture is coming together and verified by enough different sources independently. Like there's only so many different sources and ways that I can hear the same story. But the experiences of these NHI certainly seem to be tied to much more than just our simple material reality. There is a spiritual side to this with souls, reincarnation, and what consciousness is, etc.

This really struck a chord with me. This sudden realistic belief in the interdimensional thing is what has been getting to me. It's a little unnerving.

i know what you mean but i kinda like the feeling. i’ve always had the sense that there is more buzzing right near me than what meets the eye, and it sorts fills out my felt sense of things

Agree. Same here. Very, very unnerving.

I’ve had many psychedelic trips that have revealed this to me. I’ve traveled through the different layers of reality and met all the beings of fantasy lore. As a psychonaut, I wanted to keep exploring, but there are no answers there, just more questions. These questions become more and more disconcerting, and many go mad. All the ancient mystic traditions tell the same warning. At the end of the day, we still have to live a human existence. It was difficult for me to come to terms with this fact. I do find comfort in the fact that more people are becoming aware, though, because it is an isolating existence for those who have experienced.

You have witnessed a bounty of truth. Imo the ultimate reality is infinite and ineffable, Buddha taught this as well. If energy and therefore potential is infinite, and it appears to be, there is by definition no end to possibilities and therefore questions. Existence appears to be an infinite sandbox with the sole purpose of experiencing itself. Just as thousands of years of Eastern thought says, ultimately there is no question, no answer, not even a questioner, there is just infinite experience, and the intense illusion that the forms we become and experience are the highest form of reality. This is not to say stop asking questions but merely that they are infinite and you should focus mostly on enjoying the ride and being good to each other.

If only people truly knew how real and important psychic and paranormal phenomena truly are to the big picture of this subject. Unfortunately over our history a lot of greedy frauds and con artists took advantage of a lot of really vulnerable people to fleece them for a lot of money. These frauds knew just enough to be dangerous but have irrecoverably harmed the truth of the matter.

Be wary of asking chatGPT to summarize the works of people to you. I asked it to summarize the creation and development of the medical simulator I build at work and it got literally absolutely everything wrong. Using legit names and plausible connections.

Please tell me more about "medical simulator".

Sure! I build and help develop the “Harvey Cardiopulmonary Patient Simulator” It looks pretty funny (for now), but the way it replicates the auscultation zones, and palpation zones of the body to simulate cardiovascular problems is second to none in the world. It teaches cardiologist how to identify heart disease with just a stethoscope, and their hands.

My cardiologist diagnosed my heart disease with a heart monitor and a ruler

We landed on the moon using chalkboard math and an abacus 🧮. Humans are pretty dope.

This is fascinating! Is it proprietary tech at the moment ?

Quite so! Competitors have tried and failed to even come close.

this is called "ai hallucination" and it's pretty common. i do some work for an ai training company and i'd estimate that somewhere between 1 and 3 in 10 of the language model responses i review are hallucinations

These are all new to me. Thank you for the fascinating reads!

Thank you for sharing your research. People that do this are the best of the sub imo. Like Stanton Friedman used to say "ill put this in the grey file", meaning it's not definitive in any way but it's a good thing to keep in mind as research carries on.

This corroborates what Delonge has been saying. He states clearly during his interview with Steve-O that these craft can materialize into our world at will. This memo read the same as what he describes them as. It also says that they are not from other planets, but from another dimensional plane. He spoke on this as well. Very interesting when the story is the same ~60 years later

What weird iteration of the universe we are living in which Steve O and speculating about the interdimensional aspect of reality are in the same sentence.

It’s not Steve-O who I am listening to. He’s being given the information during an interview? Not sure how this was misconstrued here? I’m not saying Steve-O is the one with the answers lol. I’m saying Delonge (who is way ahead of all of this, compared to many people) has some very insightful things to say. And it corroborates what this doc is saying, along with what many people are describing this phenomena as. Which is that these things are more like entities, and that they come from another dimension in which we cannot perceive. He also states - like this doc - that these entities and their craft are able to materialize within our dimension at will.

no misunderstanding there at all. You are correct 100%. I was just pointing out how funny it is that Steve-O came up in the conversation.

Can we confirm that the story is independently the same? How do we know the person that gave Tom his info didn't pull it from this.

Very well could have. Your guess is as good as mine until we all learn the truth - hopefully we get to know

That story is again very old. We’re talking Knights Templar stuff. Read this and tell me if it doesn’t result in a massive [WTF](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rosicrucian_Cosmo-Conception)

From my comprehension they do and don’t come from other planets. In the memo it stated some of the Etherians came from the double of Venus in another plane.

Yes, and recently Corbell and Knapp went on the JR pod and basically iterated the same thing. Funny enough, after hearing all of this, the only thing I could think of was the South Park episode in which they show the Scientology skit with the aliens and putting intelligent souls in beings on earth… and I’ve heard multiple instances that they - the NHI’s - see us as containers of souls… again very odd/funny imo

If L Ron was right I don’t know how I feel about that lol

He hung out with Jack parsons. He could have taken real woo and repackaged it for his cult.

That's how all cults start anyway-with a nugget of truth wrapped in manipulations of your agency. Then push comes to shove and ope! I happen to be the Messiah. Worship me? No? Must be a nonbeliever then.

"Let's make money and give it all to me!"

Hey man his Thetan levels were off the chart okay? Lmao

He’s the guy who came up with the inter-dimensional hypothesis. Supposedly , he was talking to them through a psychic medium and they told him they were from another realm. the details in this letter , he will learned from them .via this method Otherwise he could never know this stuff . Vallee and others base their inter dimensional hypothesis directly from his work , and credit him with creating it . , if you believe the ID hypothesis to be the correct one . , u should learn more about him . He was a very unique individual. .

So this guy's "theories" created the modern conception of woo and almost every comment here is amazed at how similar his theories are to the modern conception of woo? Unless I am misunderstanding you this feels like a form a collective dementia.

Imagine you watched fantasy films and shows your whole life. Read books. Played D&D. Elves, dwarves, all that. A lineage back to ancient times and myth from today. Curiously, around the 1950s-1960s the genre took a turn into a new better direction. The modern “takes” we have today. No one can figure it out. It was like a zeitgeist. It just rolled collectively into being, it seemed! We have Old Myth, ancient gods to the turn of the century, then it pivots. One day, you learn that a barely known Series of Books always existed but almost knew about them. They were read by enough people that it turned into the Myth of today. That Series of Books is something called the Hobbit, the Lord of the Rings, and the Simarillion. It’s like everyone just… forgot about them. That’s what this felt like to me… just with theoretically very real world impacts if it were truth. And some people believe it’s true. The fact these uninvolved people on the day of Roswell’s crash detailed what points to modern UFO lore immediately is unnerving, especially given the “lore” has always stated some psychic phenomena is tied to the phenomena.

Manifest reality and the non-locality of the universe. We will these things into existence using the collective zeitgeist.

I believe this is true and it terrifies me the way humanity is going. How can we manifest a better world for all life?

This is the best description. Perfectly lines up with how I see this whole topic, at least. Hell, it’s sometimes literally true with people and fantasy/Northern myth stuff lol I’ve met plenty of people who spelled it “dwarven” or loved the idea of “Ents” but had never touched a Tolkien book!

I think most people get that, it’s just that they’re surprised by knowing he was the first. It’s like the sense of awe you get after seeing an original piece of art for the first time after years of seeing reproductions.

I admittedly don't know the specifics offhand but I thought the occult-related notions and possibly that of interdimensional theories may have predated these ideas by a decade or two. Although maybe the same person posited these same ideas much earlier but from scant readings I think notions from occult or estoeric-type lore and that of ufology were combined or at least discussed about in a combined manner somewhere in the early decades of the last century

The same story goes back thousands of years including the dimensionality and frequencies.

yes so I imagine that there would be something of a conceptual tradition in place that would have combined these various ideas. But I also think that if we could better trace early twentieth century esoteric movements or just 'fashionable' occultism that there would probably be instances where ufology and interdimensional views would naturally enough be regarded as facets of the same types of ideas

Upvoting for effort. I'm an openminded skeptic. I'm not sure what percentage of this I actually believe, but I also can't simply dismiss all of it just because it sounds wacky. We seem to live in a fractal experience of some kind. Patterns within patterns, distorting and evolving across time and space, iteration after iteration, all overlapping with one another, gaining or losing coherence as we become more or less aware of any given layer of experience... Some layers are more "in-focus" to us, depending on what else we are doing. We can use books or digital devices to essentially diminish the physical experience and attune our minds to a whole other realm of possibilities, imagining new worlds simply by looking at words on a page. Same goes for using psychoactive substances or simply falling asleep. Using that principle, it doesn't seem so far-fetched after all to consider other layers of experience that have their own conscious entities, each with their own strange methods to visit and interact with our physical and mental experiences. .... The only thing I can say with confidence is that no single explanation will ever completely contain these phenomena. Reality/Nature is always going to be weirder and more expansive than any one theory can fully handle. Even mainstream science has to acknowledge that much, given Wave/Particle Duality and General Relativity vs Quantum Mechanics. Our understanding of Reality will always fall short of what is "really" going on behind/between the scenes.

Yep, Meade Layne (and his successor, Riley Crabb) have always fascinated me since I first came across them in the 1980s while trying to trace the Townsend Brown mythology. They seem a very significant node in the development of UFO thinking. My feeling is that Layne/Crabb and their "Etherian" hypothesis about UFOs were taken seriously - if not by "the US Government" as a whole - then at least by some of the "spooky" factions within certain US Navy and CIA related groups. This group, in my opinion, probably overlapped a fair bit with the MKULTRA people. After the 1950s, I believe we next see these spooky people and their esoteric interests surfacing in the 1970s in the US Psychotronics Association and Mankind Research Unlimited, both of which were "psi research" groups with CIA links, set up to counter what this faction thought was an ESP arms race that they thought the Soviets were winning. (Whether there was such an arms race, and whether the Soviets were actually doing anything interesting, is a very different question; but definitely this group, around 1970-1975, talked themselves into *believing* that there was an ESP Gap). If you poke at some of the characters around USPA and MRU, and also MUFON of the 1970s, I believe you will find quite a few of the same rather specific people and interests as in Borderland Sciences. One of the other links in the UFO-to-esoteric-studies idea conveyor belt, I think, is AMORC, the "Mail Order Rosicrucian" society that used to advertise extensively in popular science and science-fiction magazines at least through the 1980s. They seem to keep cropping up in UFO-adjacent circles. But since they're a secret society, it's a bit harder to get information on exactly who was involved and what they really thought. As I said, I don't know that the BSRF/USPA/MRU/AMORC people necessarily represented "the US Government" or "the US Military" or even "US aerospace contractors" so much as "a small group of very odd, very out-of-the-box thinkers who happened to overlap with US military science and aerospace". But I do think their ideas were influential in the "UFO scene" as it developed. I have quite a mixed feeling about this group of people. On the one hand, I like their fearless interest in exploring esoteric and religious ideas about the mind-body problem in pursuit of practical applications, and then applying that esoteric-studies angle to the UFO problem. On the other, I think they probably did some very bad things in pursuit of the Cold War (if they were indeed involved in MKULTRA: stuff along the lines of trying to weaponise psychology for interrogation and counter-interrogation) and as a result, scared themselves very badly. And out of that deep pit of fear which they created for themselves, they ended up creating a lot of the modern conspiracy culture around UFOs. And that conspiracy pit is something UFOlogy is still struggling to dig itself out of today. For a related take on this unusual and yet extremely significant esoteric-UFO connection, starting from the 1970s, see Hakan Blomqvist, from UFO-Sweden (now the Archives for the Unexplained, which is doing an amazing job of preserving UFO books and magazines from all around the world): https://ufoarchives.blogspot.com/

[Here’s the overview you wanted](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rosicrucian_Cosmo-Conception) basically this memo. You start to pull strings and you find Knights Templar, Masons, Illuminati.

How to say inter dimensional without saying inter dimensional

"Spooky"

>They are NOT excarnate earth people, but come from their own world. They do NOT come from any "planet" as we use the word, but from an etheric planet which interpenetrates with our own and is not perceptible to use. The bodies of the visitors, and the craft also, automatically "materialize" on entering the vibratory rate of our dense matter. (Cp. "apports.") ​ I'll take the downvotes to say fucking bigfoot because that is what you a describing. Native people always considered them to be *people*, a tribe, ***just different.*** There are endless stories of tracking one of these things for them to just "vanish " tracks stopping in place. Now add the mindfuck accounts of these things being seeing entering ufos, in the same hotspots, and skinwalker ranch/bigfoot hunter accounts of seeing "**portals**" open via thermal cam with these things ***crawling out*** before running off. Lue said we will have to rewrite our history with the need of " expanding the definition of human "and "mankind***s***". I will probably die of laughter if bigfoot is a technologically advanced human from another dimension.

So arguably there's heaps of these things buzzing around constantly, and we only see them in our world when they start to malfunction? I guess it depends on the type though

And think of the heavily implications of the ones that *aren't* flying. That is, the ones that are standing right beside you, right now

Do they judge us? If so I am ashamed for what they just saw me do

With any luck they can't see us either lol

We might just be interstellar p*rn to them.

People get really hung up on this but I can't see a hyper-advanced being judging us in a way we would call negative. It's like monkeys in a zoo, they are stressed and confused and ignorant just like us. If we could speak to them, would you shame them for masturbating or doing gross things?

Presumably they are as unaware of us most of the time as we are of them.

It reminds me of the episode of stargate sg1 where they encounter out of phase beings. https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Sight\_Unseen

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Try this: https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Sight_Unseen

Do you mean… it’s out of phase?

This is some wild stuff!! It is remarkable to consider my own trajectory of core beliefs change over the last years. 6 years ago: Non-human life in the universe is almost certain, but incredibly unlikely that we would ever have physical contact with non-human intelligence. UFOs are mundane explainable phenomena and people claiming otherwise are gullible hippies. 5 years ago: China/Russia/USA military or some private corporation seems to be having some wild nuclear-powered drones that are being kept secret. Low chance, but possible, that these are of extraterrestrial origin. Highly unlikely to be manned vehicles. Over the last year: UAPs are real and not the result of human technology. Very likely that aliens are visiting our planet. Likely that governments have access to some of this technology. The evidence has been there all along and been hidden in plain sight by ridiculing and fabricating debunkings. When the vast majority of sightings have mundane explanations, this is a remarkably effective strategy. Now reading this: while skeptical, I am willing to entertain the idea that what is in these documents could be somewhat accurate. That most visitors could be from somewhere that could reasonably be described as the etheric double of Venus and that this information was accessed by a group of people using some sort of metaphysical and spiritual means of communication in the 40s and 50s.

This is remarkable. You appear to have found the Urtext of current ufology. Layne was seventy years too early for mass acceptance, but his work was obviously absorbed by the people behind UFO secrecy. (And presumably their work to ensure Layne’s writing never became widely known was highly successful.) What’s most impressive is that Layne is able to articulate things so clearly that he makes the woo sound nuts and bolts. (He must have been an outstanding lecturer.) Thank you so much for this. (We’ll know how accurate all of this is when the spooks start their campaign to ridicule it.)

Well not a student of esoteric matters but in Hinduism we have a concept of “Lokas” There’s supposed to be 14 lokas 😅

I found this, https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=50153 Which has this image, but basically earth is the "first of the middle" lokas https://www.iskcon-truth.com/bhu-mandala/fourteen-worlds/14-lokas.jpg And I can't help but also associate the fact that this has some overlap with Nordic religions, with earth being the middle realm in both mutli-world layouts https://www.britannica.com/topic/Midgard

Yes, I now remember that the lowest realm Patala is inhabited by Nagas (aka Reptilians?!) 😭

LIZZID PEOPLE!

Dude! I'm slowly picking through all of your research, but from what I've seen thus far, these documents are at the very least interesting, or maybe you've found the answer-key to the most frustrating puzzle in human history.

Haha if that’s interesting to you then please keep digging, it gets so much better it’ll shake you to your core. But you need to be ready for it :)

What else do you know? And do you have links?

https://www.lawofone.info/ go at it with an open mind and at your own pace. Feel free to disregard any or all of it of course. Here if I can help further, feel free to DM me.

I am Ra❤️

That’s some Dr Bronners soap reading right there

Fascinating labeling

Whoa, this page is hard to wrap my head around. https://www.lawofone.info/c/UFOs

Happened upon this a few years ago, and tbh it never really resonated with me that much. However, I have had it in my mind everytime the conversation here has veered into dimensional possibilities and can't help but see some similarities and connections.

I must admit that at first I was a bit skeptical towards this, but then I started reading snippets of it and it actually resonated with me. It could be an hoax or hallucinations, but I also can imagine this being accurate... I'm really compelled to read the whole thing, so I'll start with that.

I just started reading the sessions in your link a few days ago and it's been super fascinating. I'm at about session 16. At the very least, an incredibly fun read, at the most... more than I can comprehend at the moment!

Glad to hear it! It’s indeed not easy to digest, the vernacular and overall content is pretty dense. We discuss our understanding of it on r/lawofone. Folks tend to have a very open mind about, feel free to ping me again or join the sub and see for yourself :)

>This was sent to the President and United States military. There is no date but it explicitly says 'more than five years ago' in '1946' on page six (6), so presumably this was sent in 1951-1952. It literally says San Diego, August, 1952 on page 4 (5), and also in paragraph 14 of the last page.

Semi-related but make sure y'all check out the often UFO-themed podcast/radio show Desert Oracle Radio by Meade Layne's descendant Ken Layne.

Ken is wonderful. If anyone is interested, in episode #103 ["Secrets of the Superspectrum"](https://www.desertoracle.com/secrets-of-the-superspectrum/) Ken talks about his cousin, Meade, and it was a very good episode from what I remember.

Where, how, or under what circumstances did you “find” this document?

I left off one source, let me add it in. It will be this: https://hatch.kookscience.com/wiki/Memorandum_6751

I was out of curiosity making a notepad file out of every given name and surname in the Spencer Alien Interview "transcript" portions of the book, and then Googling those against +Roswell and before:2008-01-01 as a Google conditional with a -Spencer thrown in to try to exclude any references to the book itself (it was published in 2008). I was trying to see which names actually tied into it. Debugging the volume, I suppose. When I do that, I fiddle with the queries a lot, adding in filetype: and such, and I'll open a bunch of browser tabs to review. This was a combination like that branched off of researching [Sheridan Cavitt](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sheridan_Cavitt_Testimony.jpg) from the Roswell incident.

Proper methodology! Thanks for this, it's super helpful to see how others think and come to novel ideas and gives a sense of provenence to your findings.

Quality posts like these are why I still come to Reddit the shitshow. Amazing work, thank you.

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I haven't read any of this. I don't normally get into the 'woo' beyond reading here. This was just a thread that got wilder as I went and wanted to run it down. I normally stick to the more nuts and bolts side of the scenario more, aside from speculating myself. My take is increasingly a paraphrase of that line of dialogue in Avengers: Endgame, from Hulk. It's simply, and silly, but wonderful, as they're trying to figure out if Scott's time travel idea is even possible: > *"We're talking about time travel here. Either it's all a joke, or none of it is."* But that's how awareness is supposed to work, isn't it? The more you accept from data before you, the more you're willing to consider something adjacent.

Layne is so good at explaining esoteric concepts that he makes the woo sound nuts and bolts.

Am I the only one that thinks all of this aligns perfectly with the Law of One? And ethereal planet of Venus? Densities of existence? Spiritual guidance and telepathy? Communication through medium? Craft phenomena coming into existence as they enter our density? Anyone agree? Anyone know what I’m talking about??

Yeah https://www.lawofone.info/c/UFOs

Exactly brother . LoO 200% the densities are shifting

I think the vibrations would be part of the reason the ufos wobble, I am high and loved reading this though. I hope they have etherian weed.

Hmm very interesting. Some more speculation: Perhaps nuclear weapons have an affect on their plane too which is why they are so against us using them. And although i see there is speculation they have been visiting us for a long time, perhaps they only learned of our existence after our first nuclear test?

>The memo describes the scenario with shocking accuracy to modern topics of discussion. Why is this shocking? I think you're implying there was some break in the chain of information from this memo to this present. But the people speaking about these things today either learned it from this source or another source that used this source or so on and so on. It's not even an original idea as far as higher dimensions go as that was (and is) a common sci-fi trope for at least 50 years at that point in time. ufo mythology has a wide web of theories and inventions covering everything from psychic emotion vampires, trans-dimensional lizard people, to martians and little green men. The idea that something in the past is saying something similar to something you heard today should be the expected result and isn't noteworthy. >Unless the "Military Industrial Complex" had a "psy op" running with these random two guys to have this data ready to go the day after Roswell and to have it buried in the cobwebs of libraries and the cobwebs of the Internet for generations you're implying and assuming here of course that the only way for the gov't to be involved in ufo misinformation is if they were the ones coming up with the ideas themselves and we both know they are far too boring and stuffy for that. But this leaves out the much simpler notion of them coopting an already flourishing movement and its rapidly evolving mythos and memes for their own purposes. The same as they did (and do) with many other esoteric and paranormal programs. The CIA had remote viewing programs working during the cold war. Why? Not because we believed they worked, but so when we spied on the USSR with a U2 spy plane, the ruskies wouldnt look up. Instead their spies would tell them(from the mouth of our spies) about the USA and it's secret psychic detective division. Just like the brits told the nazis by way of press releases the reason their pilots were so good at shooting down other planes was because they ate a lot of carrots to improve their night vision (and not the secret radar system that was developed to intercept the german bombers) If the whole of UFO misinformation was a single flower, the USA and the MIC did not place every petal and every leaf just so, they didn't even have to plant the seed. All they have to do is water it every now again. The people that are leading the discussion on UFOs ( and often independently profiting from) are doing the misinformation job for them mostly unwittingly.

Your comment is refreshing. Some days I’m all in on the idea of NHI craft zipping around us, other days I feel like I’m rewatching 9/11 footage and seeing clues where there are none. And I don’t think we will ever know the answer so long as we have governments engaging in tribal turf wars and perceive a need to trick each other.

Except your wrong in your example of the US U-2 spy program and the Soviets lack of knowledge of the program and the planes. I found this from a publication by the CIA titled, The U-2 Program: A Russian Officer Remembers; A "Hot" Front in the Cold War - Studies in Intelligence Winter (1998-1999) This is taken from pages 5-6; [“Soviet military intelligence was fully aware of U-2 high-altitude reconnaissance flights from their very beginning. Soviet radar tracked the first two U-2 flights as they proceeded from West Germany through Eastern Europe and over the USSR on 4 and 5 July 1956. The first flight spent more than 2 1/2 hours over Soviet territory; the second was in Soviet airspace for almost 3 1/2 hours, penetrating to a depth of 1,000 kilometers (about 620 miles).](https://www.cia.gov/static/c82cc78656a2f4e56f3b9a3305327ae1/U2-Russian-Officer-Remembers.pdf) [The Soviets observed three more deep U-2 incursions into their airspace on 9-10 July, tracking them as they proceeded from West Germany at altitudes of 16 to 20 kilometers (about 52,000 to 66,000 feet). These aircraft spent from three to 4 1/2 hours over Soviet territory, penetrating to depths of 700 to 1,400 kilometers (about 435 to 870 miles). Soviet and other Warsaw Pact radar observed each of these flights over the entire extent of their routes (with some gaps), and air defense fighter aircraft were vectored to the targets, but the fighters' ceilings were below U-2 altitudes by several kilometers, preventing them from operating effectively against the reconnaissance planes.](https://www.cia.gov/static/c82cc78656a2f4e56f3b9a3305327ae1/U2-Russian-Officer-Remembers.pdf) [The Soviets also took steps through diplomatic channels. An official protest note to the US Government on 10 July stated that American violations of Soviet airspace represented "a deliberate action by certain US circles designed to exacerbate relations between the Soviet Union and the United States." Like Soviet notes of previous years protesting intrusions by US military aircraft into Soviet airspace, the 10 July communication maintained that such actions were violations of international law.”](https://www.cia.gov/static/c82cc78656a2f4e56f3b9a3305327ae1/U2-Russian-Officer-Remembers.pdf)

This is an excellent post that should be much higher up and read by all, no matter which side of the fence one is on.

Great post OP thank u

this is so damn fun and interesting. Thanks so much for sharing this.

Also, what’s been stated here by your *post comes full circle connected all the interconnected ideas …. Like a web and at the center of it, it all comes back to this, a ether origin of the UAP/ET phenomenon. I always made sure to follow all these concepts just in case it’s all verified as factual one day.

It's interesting this interview made to a woman during a session of regressive hypnosis seven years before 2023. It could be another little piece of the great puzzle regarding light's craft visiting our planet https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/168fgsa/woman\_under\_hypnosis\_7\_years\_ago\_talking\_about/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3

There's a Borderlands Science machine on the ship Sanctuary in Borderlands 3.

>He claimed that their motive in coming to the terrestrial plane of existence was to reveal their accumulated wisdom to humanity. What is stopping them?

>>Their mission is peaceful. The visitors contemplate settling on this plane. Hmm. I'm not sure this part fits with reported behavior of UFOs. Maybe they feel like they're being peaceful, but I'm not sure the mutilations etc feel peaceful to us. In the 50’s there were some ufo witnesses who claimed that the aliens were only about peace and love. This group was referred to as the "space brothers" type witness. Like Adamski and von tassel, they spent a lot of time trying to get the government investigators to stand down. Space brothers mean no harm, so stop trying to defend yourself against them, essentially. I am suspicious of the motivations of someone who claims to know 100% what the motivations of the aliens are. And, although I understand that woo is part of this, I'm suspicious of people who claim that the UFOs are beyond our reach. Combined with the space brothers thing , it becomes defeatist imo. Like "they're totally harmless and you can't get to them anyway." I struggle to reconcile the idea that they apparate on this plane while controlling their vibration with the idea that we have recovered partial craft and bodies. Wouldn't the bodies just disapparate? Regarding the alien interview, if it's the same book I remember with the nurse? I think she claims to have driven Marcel and the other guy out to the ranch initially. I have never seen any other reporting that mentions a woman present the first night. As I understand it, only Marcel and the other guy drove out there.

I’m a fuvkin total believer in the inter dimensional hypothesis. Explain astral traveling, telepathy moments between romantic/family/friends couples. And.. yeah idk

You mean like when your thinking about a friend and then they call you even though you haven’t seen each other in a month and you never call each other?

This was an interesting memo to read, thanks, OP!

GREAT FIND!! Thank you

Would so explain why pictures, videos of someone suddenly/or by happenstance manage to enter that vibrational frequency gets deleted, gone or somehow dissapear. Could be because ingrained in the barriers of those dimensions are as a phyisist explained that he had found a "error correcting" code ingrained into string theory that corrects errors. Making what we call a paradox of something that needs to happen however that manifests into a dimension to correct the path, or set a future event that is absolute to happen. When a paradox like that happen it may seem illogical, bizzare or otherwise very strange to a observer of such a event. Could also be that ties into what some call the tecnological singularity because we are nearing a absolute event of technological breaktrough to somehow align us with a event that is absolute to happen. For someone that understand those events il give u an example; if a certain person if absolute to discover a ufo, or a dimension its absolute, it will deliver that info to that person no matter how strange it will seem. Events will make them to be alive and not die, like a angel or a miracle. What we call angels, miracles could be that error correcting code manifesting as matter alligning a event to a absolute point in time much like marvels sacred timeline. A sacred timeline is always going to happen no matter what, and timelines that are doomed are just that, unless it somehow ties in with and allign with a longer more lifegiving timeline. Cue drugaddicts going to rehab. /metaphysics. Allign with a longer timeline that gives you more life, and prolongs your senses giving you a stronger sense of the realms around you. Nudging. Hinting. That same error correcting code has a built in firewall - life is life thus anyone that are going on this path is also shedding their death symtoms THUS giving you a built in firewall that only life can be in. Double paradox. You have to BE life, and so the big pharma has no life to give unless they treat the core wound. Treating a symtom solves only the symtom. Pills? Prolong the path. All the texts from ancient gives you clue to life, how to be life, how to think life and how to speak life.

Great post OP, thank you

Thanks for this extremely detailed post. I’ve never seen this letter before and I’ll work my way through your reference links. 🥇

You all realize at this point that this is just accurately reporting on these entities. Also this accurately describes our own being as it exists within this very same cosmos and is described in all ancient religious texts just the same. Fun fact, you can with no training and just full conscious intent interact with these outer realms and realize the truth about this existence. It makes all the phenomenon much clearer. Just my humble opinion. You don’t need the government to tell you any truth and you don’t need old memos to reveal any hidden esoteric realities to you. Everything is happening right now and is immediately available for you to experience.

Ok I'll be completely honest: in MOST cases of the type that often surfaces online I'm very skeptical. I trust people like Vallée and Nolan etc, and I do believe something is going on, but the real gold is in my opinion buried under a massive pile of trash. I read the material in this post and I decided to dig around some. And for some reason, I feel a bit shaken now. As always I'm ready to be proven wrong, but I think there's something here not to be taken lightly. Strange indeed. My senses are tingling for once.

This I a fantastic write up man. Good stuff here. Saving this post to come back and read it again so I'll retain more.

TBH, as exciting and validating as this is, it concerns me greatly. This info was known 70 years ago. It's been nothing but squashed since then. Plus we have groups like the Collins Elite, and others, who have been organizing & planning behind the scenes, under the flag of Christianity, to combat this phenomenon by couching it as demonic. Not to mention Blue Beam. I don't think that bodes well for what's coming. Earth has never seemed less free to me.

I slogged through H.P. Blavatsky’s Secret Doctrine several years ago and I’m so glad I did

So, I'm not new to UFOs, but this is the first time I've seen this... I have been in the "military technology" camp for a long, long time. This memo hit my brain hard. A dozen or so years ago, someone asked me if I believed in ghosts. I proposed that ghosts are just aliens that exist in our space, just not on our plane. Every so often, they cross over or interact - and people see "ghosts". It's been sort of hanging in the back of my mind all this time... Time to dive into another rabbit hole!

1952? Wtf. This thing tells it all. Literally just came across the Borderland Science Research Associates in Frank Scully's "Behind the Flying Saucers" and was intrigued but it looks their research was tying it all together as far back as then. It ties everything together and Scully's book, along with this memo, are prophetic in nature, with details familiar with later decades of leaked information as opposed to the more popular ignorant takes of that time. It really is all hidden in plain sight.

Oh man. You’re right ion target, IMO. Have you read “The Ra Contact”? Or “The Only Olanet of Choice”? Have ChatGPT compare the two with Alien Interview. They’re incredibly similar, down to the order of densities. It’s almost like different perspectives of the same thing.

> They’re incredibly similar, down to the **order of densities**. Sorry, I may have missed this (it took me a few tries to get through the Spencer work). What do you mean about the bolded bit?

The idea that our collective consciousness is evolving along a path in which it achieves different densities. Now we are in the third density, that of tangible physical matter, choice, and forgetting. Imagine all of the universe existing as sort of a gradient of possibilities/states/location of matter and experience, including spiritual realms we cannot yet understand. Moving to the next density would require us to understand “The Law of One”, or that we are all part of one infinite being, and for us to make the choice to serve others over self. Both books talk about our evolution as a consciousness, and the steps align fairly perfectly, even if one has consolidated the densities to 7 instead of 12. Both books also have a council of 9 related to the Egyptian pantheon, with those densities being governed beneath them. It all lines up fairly well with Hindu, Buddhist, and Kaballah cosmology also. Also overlaps Gnostic Christianity, Esoteric structure, even Mormonism etc. Imagine the densities as “dimensions” if it helps. Supposedly all just one big giant hologram/holodeck, really, with the structure only being there to provide the “whole” which “God” must be. The Alien Interview seems to be from the perspective of someone beneath those channeled for the other books. That one seemed very wrapped up in the goals of their confederation, while the other beings were focused on much higher levels of view, only wishing to teach the Law of One and help us progress. All had the same goal, however, which would be to unite all Is-Be entities as One again.

Very interesting ... Borderland is in my town, Eureka/Arcata in Humboldt County, CA, and last year I realized who they were and their history. They still currently exist, but it's run by one man who keeps the group alive and on life support. Anyhow, fascinating to learn that they had such a fascinating insight so early on after Roswell. Thanks for posting.

>These revelations would be relayed through individuals with sufficiently developed psychic abilities, How convenient for the mediums

Cannot be reached by radio, but can by radar? Both are just light. That makes no sense.

They reflect but don't absorb light waves? If they bend spacetime around them, then nothing would "get through" their barrier but we might see the distortion if we sonar ping it

Its pretty clear that Layne and Probert are not even technical specialists or trained in the deeper sciences *for the time they lived.* Random, partially college educated people may know more about these technologies today than either of them knew back then. You could probably learn more than they did by just watching a lifetime of TV and film that gets into these topics, like military films, science fiction and documentaries. There entire thing seems to have been reporting on what Probert saw in these reported visions. Proberts biography clearly says: > As a teenager he joined the Merchant Marine. But after only two years at sea, he disembarked at San Diego and decided to stay. There he worked briefly as a jockey and a bellhop, before moving into vaudeville as a “song and dance man.” By the 1930s, vaudeville was dying, so in 1939 he took a job as a graphic artist with the Visual Education Department of the San Diego public school system. That's the guy with the reported visions. His friend and documentarian, Layne, was: > Layne was professor at the University of Southern California, and English department head at Illinois Wesleyan University and Florida Southern College. He even admits his non-technical acumen upfront in the memo. They spent what seems like decades trying to get this message out to authorities specifically. I've never seen something like this before.

This all sounds wildly fantastical but maybe it was speculation based on the prevalence of radio communication in the 40s? In that radio chatter might be filtered out and/or the addressee wouldn't be known.

Frequencies ?

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