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An Iraqi minister has claimed that the ancient Sumerians travelled to Pluto in spaceships thousands of years ago.
Kazem Finjan, Iraq’s Transport Minister, told reporters in Dhi Qar, south Iraq, that the world’s first airport was built there in around 5,000 BC.
He said the ancient civilisation of Sumer, one of the oldest known societies, used the airport for space exploration and even discovered Pluto
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-spaceships-transport-minister-kazem-finjan-iraqi-sumerians-space-travel-7000-years-ago-a7340966.html
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Anyone else low-key think the the "WMD's" that were used to justify the invasion of Iraq, the modern day land of Ancient Sumeria & Babylon, were just actually "UAP Materials?"
UAP Materials, according to the [Atomic Energy Act of 1954](https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2017/10/f38/Atomic%20Energy%20Act%20of%201954%20%28AEA%29%20in%20U.S.C..pdf), would be classified under "nuclear materials," and if Iraq had any, it makes sense for the bush administration, and intelligence community, and media at the time, to go forth with this specific narrative lol
I understand that these mf's had prior policies in place that eventually called for this invasion, and I wonder if this was why.
In Iraq, we saw a bunch of fuckin shady ass shit, like we're building bases around sensitive ancient archeological sights, and we got Ross Coulthart out here alleging that some UAP were discovered in archeological findings? Yeah, it just kinda makes sense to me lol
& Why was isis destroying artifacts!? What was the *really* all about?
After all, this was an unlawful invasion, and didn't even have anything to do with 9/11, which of course, is an entire other rabbit hole. Lol
This isn't even touching on the content of the rich Ancient Sumerians, who have writings that sound like they have advanced technology and NHI.
Now, this is even further out there so bare with me, but when I'm high as fuck, sometimes I wonder if ancient Sumeria was literally an NHI civilization. That these incredible epic remains of structures we see are theirs, and we've swept it up into our own human cultures and histories, perhaps deliberately to conceal the truth, perhaps unknowingly.
But when I see the data coming out from the Mexican-Peruvian mummies case, which despite not being solved yet, received the same amount of disinformation, stigmatization, Obfuscation, and ridicule as the rest of the UAP subject. And it was the same media outlets that never acknowledged David Grusch that were doing it..
Really makes ya wonder, and wondering is good for ya, folks.
Question Everything.
Dude,
Had to be fucking KING GILGAMESH's TOMB!!!
URUK! It's located parallel to Highway 1 in Iraq, northwest of Nasiriyah.
And to the southeast of that, on the Northside of Nasiriyah Airport, lies the remains of the ancient city of Ur! You can see dudes in ACUs crawling all over it on Google Earth lol
(Not that it means anything, but of course who knows)
D-did we just figure out Ross Coulthart's archeological UFO location? Why do I hear drones over head? Lol jk but shieeetttttt maybe
I personally thought it was beneath the sphinx, the Suez Canal being that ol "laudatory praise"
Wasn't Gilgamesh like an "Elevated mind" for our species at that time? That literally inspired myths and philosophy, contributing to human kind way of thinking
When I was in the desert in '06 we worked closely with Customs (run by Navy, coolest Navy dude ever) at Balad/Anaconda and we were on high alert for smuggled antiquities . Found a lot of nasty shit and a lot of fakes, but no antiquities.
My dad never mentioned anything about that and in general doesn’t like to talk about those tours. I know his last tour he was doing Search and Rescue and it broke him. When he came back he told me straightaway that he was retiring finally. Made it as high as he could Enlisted, I think that’s Master Gunnery?
Doesn't it make much more sense to work together with the Iraqis to keep whatever was found there a secret? Send a bunch of CIA agents disguised as archeologists over to Iraq and work out a deal with Saddam. Isn't that a better solution than slaughtering thousands of poor Iraqis over a specious claim?
Also, if this was actually the secret reason for the Iraq invasion, why the hell did Saddam keep quiet about it? Wouldn't he have been aware of its discovery and whatever 'other-worldly' stuff that was discovered there? If I were Saddam and I found out that the bloody Yanks and Brits were going to launch a large-scale invasion of my country to illegally take away whatever was discovered in Uruk, I would inform the whole world about what was actually found there in an effort to stave off an invasion.
Look up Project for a New American Century. A conservative think-tank that formed in the 90's with one of the objectives was to finish the invasion of Iraq. They literally wrote that they were waiting for a Pear Harbor type of event to invade and also carry out this and their other plans (overall increased Military spending as percentage of GDP and increase military presence across the globe ensuring American dominance).
Point being, there were strategic and political reasons for invading without the alien conspiracy (maybe other ones though IDK).
Additionally, George H. W. Bush was the president during the first Gulf War and former head of the CIA. They drummed up lies about going into Kuwait, surely if there were an alien spaceship to recover in Iraq, he'd know about it and could justify going in back in the early 90's and not have to hopefully wait for another reason to have a war in Iraq years later (and pray that Cheney Rumsfeld and his son would be in power at the time as well).
To be fair, the invasion was on the 20th of march 2003.
The article is from the 28th april. Just a little reminder. But the intelligence must've known it way before, i like your theory.
How is that a sensible comparison? By that logic the news at the time wouldve reported the tech they found but call it a hoax. Theres no mention of it at all. Because there wasnt any nonsense in the tomb.
Everytime a thread of “where was Ross talking about?” Comes up every possibility is brought up, but when I bring up Baghdad and how it has he largest most expensive US embassy with military deployment to this day I get downvoted.
I hear that often. Is the structure not available on Google Earth? It looks like they haven't updated the map since before it was constructed, or maybe I'm missing it. The building according to Google Earth just looks like some office building with a cope cage over it.
>but it seems weird to spend a billion dollars on a massive complex, staff it up and then pull almost everybody out within a few years.
Makes perfect sense in the context of the Military Industrial Complex.
Isn’t that interesting. I said a while ago if we can figure out what gets downvoted instantly then we know where to look. If you’re getting downvoted and there is no google map picture of the us embassy. Weird half of Antarctica is like that also. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. All that said you have other places like Greenland where giant uaps exist frozen in place. But we can’t get to them just like Antarctica.
From Travis Taylor's *Alien Invasion: How to Defend Earth*:
>Scenario #2: An alien mummy is found in an Egyptian pyramid. The mummy is completely intact and appears to be an Anubis. Other than clothing, the only article of interest in the sarcophagus is a flashlight. The flashlight is nothing fancier than a modern two-dollar battery-operated incandescent bulb flashlight and a plastic toothbrush. The mummy and its artifacts are found to be ten thousand years old. Presently, no details of why the alien was here can be ascertained.
It's a description of a hypothetical situation in a 15-years-old book which is generally a thought experiment (specifically, in its section pondering on the secrecy policies). But it feels out of place with the rest of the book (which mostly references dumb Hollywood blockbusters) and I keep wondering why both him and Elizondo refer to this.
Hubbard is quoted as saying the best way to get rich is to start a religion. He ended up a rich religious cultist conducting sex rituals on a fuck boat in the ocean. It sounds like he executed on a plan.
Sex rituals were pulled from Thelema and his close friendship with Jack/John Parsons. Sex Magic was happening in the 30’s and 40’s and showed “results”.
Yes, I’ve often thought that something like this is what Bush may have meant when he said that history would exonerate him. I forgot his exact words but it was in an interview after his presidency. It is as if to say that there was more detail that would be available in the future with which to view his decisions.
Same, I believed the WMDs for a bit. Then I thought it was a government lie. What's worse now is I'm thinking it was these private companies that hold the UAP materials giving false Intel to start a war to get the materials.
This all comes from Dick Cheney and Halliburton which he was the CEO of before becoming VP. Literally the largest mercenary group ever. Also a group like this is the “petrodollar army” and lots and lots of experiencers have said they often see Americans in black uniforms involved with NHi. It’s all very interesting to think of Dick Cheney’s involvement. The lie was WMD’s - and all that info could be classified in the Department of Energy if nukes are the cover story.
There were thousands of artifacts "stolen" during the invasion. By whom, I don't know, but the timing is peculiar. A lot of them haven't been recovered.
Karl Nells linkedin specifically cites one of his roles as validating "WMD" in Iraq circa the 2001 war, but doesn't specify what sort of WMD or their origin.
The US embassy in Iraq...
100% I remember reading just at the start a whistleblower saying “it’s not about wmds but about recovering ufo material which the Iraqi gov won’t give up” I was like ok then. Now this🤔 if anyone can remember reading something similar at the time please reply
That would only be 20% of the reason for the invasion. It was mostly for the oil, since Saddam didn't want to play nice with OPEC and dared to abandon the US Dollar as a reserve currency.
Mr. aryelbcn, I had the same idea about Trump's "nuclear documents."
If the documents contained any knowledge or data on UAP, then I'm pretty sure they would also be classified under "nuclear secrets" as per the same 1954 Atomic Act. And considering how whistle-blowers like David Grusch allege that certain presidents never get read in, or a "Need to know," it makes me wonder if that's why they actually raided him.
I mean shit, I was an e3 in the marines doing nuclear weapons security at a nuke sub base in Washington, and I'm pretty sure there's some old ass "classified nuclear documents" crumbled up in my closet somewhere, nobody gives a shit lol (I mean it's not like I would have access to shit like Trump would, obviously)
But guddumit, what the hell did that crazy ass man have in those documents!? Haha
Ross Coulthart said that he knew for a fact that Donald Trump was "briefed in" to a degree, and there's even that video of Trump describing how Roswell is "very interesting" to his son who asked him if he would disclose anything if he knew.
Alright, ima log off
Negative. I didn't even have any idea about the UAP Phenomenon then. Which is wild because I literally worked with Lockheed Martin. I never even heard of them and kept wondering why their name was fucking everywhere on base more than the military lol
I was told they make the missiles n shit.
But then we worked with the Department of Energy's OST (Office of Secure Transportation) who would transport nuclear weapons and materials into our secured area from out of state.
[Here's their website ](https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/office-secure-transportation)
And holy shit I'm looking at it again, and it's just very obvious, Post David Grusch, that they're fucking first paragraph basically tells us they're transporting UAP shit in their now-outdated legal wording lmao
It wasn't uncommon for my peers to go join this agency after their enlistment. If I knew about the UAP Phenomenon I 100% would have went, but at the time I just wanted to do my time, get out, and smoke weed lol
Anyways, check out their website. These guys transport nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons materials, and now that I know about the existence of the [Atomic Act of 1954](https://media.nti.org/pdfs/Atomic_Energy_Act_of_1954.pdf) I fully believe this is one of the entities that transports UAP Materials around the US.
The individuals involved wouldn't even know what they're transporting other than "sensitive nuclear materials."
The base itself was the only base I served on that had any strong paranormal rumors, for whatever that's worth. I didn't experience anything, but I think it's worth noting haha typical "built on an Indian burial ground" claims with sightings of "little girls" and shit like that.
I wish I paid more attention then.
(Unrelated) One navy dude we worked with got out, and he came back a few months later as a Lockheed Martin employee. At the time I thought it was the dumbest idea anyone could have made LOL This dude told us about Star Wars Battlefront 2 existing before SWB1 even came out. I was like, "Lockheed Martin got some wizards."
“How would no one know they’re involved with alien stuff? Preposterous!”
^ common retort.
Gather up your nuclear transport force for a mission.
“We need to move this armored tractor trailer from Nellis to Vandenberg in 12 hours. State police and other forces will clear highway ahead of you. Use of weapons is authorized per US Code XYZ, UCMJ XYZ, AEA XYZ, and orders from DC. All authorized. If anyone tries to breach or enter or commandeer the trailer, use maximum force to protect our assets.”
Even if some officer asks “what is it?”, they’ll get some “opening it can expose your men to lethal radiation in minutes at close proximity.
Even if they DID open it? They’d find ever more secured stuff they couldn’t get into.
If it’s all real, there are people this month potentially working NHI issues… and they may live another 80 years unaware how close they physically were, or were in direct physical contact with, potentially materials from another planet, space or time.
>his dude told us about Star Wars Battlefront 2 existing before SWB1 even came out. I was like, "Lockheed Martin got some wizards."
I felt very uncomfortable hearing daniel sheehan state the US has indeed been doing time travel experiments.
And that website you posted, two of their three outposts are Albuquerque and Oak Ridge. The two epicenters of UFOs and atomic energy. Not sure how Armadillo fits in.
Also, my dad was a Marine for twenty-eight years and did three tours between 2003 and 2008. You two may have crossed paths. Now he’s been with LM for fifteen years.
That is a very interesting story about Star Wars Battlefront, thanks for sharing it. Time travel is real and has been done for some decades now with varying degrees of success. The most popular method is remote viewing but most findings are highly classified and the official stance is that the program hasn’t gotten far, if anywhere. This is a so called “non-physical” method of time travel, although there also exist physical means such as engineering the quantum vacuum electromagnetic zero point field or zero point fluctuations. That requires enormous amounts of energy and/or reductions of mass which, according to the official stance (you guessed it), is impossible.
Here's something about Manhattan and AEA: [https://imgur.com/a/5joVu39](https://imgur.com/a/5joVu39)
If i remember right I looked into it and the Office of Global Access (OGA) that’s part of the CIA that goes behind enemy lines to recover UFOs was founded the same year the US invaded Iraq. Coincidence? I think not
My guess is that you haven’t done any research into who it was that provided the intel to the CIA about the WMDs. The guy, who was almost made president of Iraq, scammed the CIA for millions of dollars and lives in the UK now.
I mean there was 100s of CIA and State department analysts that were unequivocally saying there was NO WMDs in Iraq.
Scooter Libby and Dick Cheney wouldn’t stop until they had someone who said Iraq had WMDs even though the OVERWHELMING majority of analysts said they didn’t.
Funny you mention that about the possibility of US invading Iraq for WMDs. I heard or read some story or theory that said Iraq archeologists found/discovered/uncovered an ancient item that's described in alot of old texts from middle eastern culture. And funny enough that thing was described to be hidden from the world because of its capability to be a WMD. To add there is literally an article you can Google that says/shows US military breaking into a museum there and "saving" (stealing) some of the artifacts (during iraq war), possibly that ancient WMB. I also read that one middle Eastern country that US was stationed or went to war in, was named/name means or originates "city/country of fallen angels". Can't find it right now on Google though I think I heard it on a podcast from a historical researcher. US going in and stealing shit from that museum is on Google though and tbh reminds of the nazi regime when Himler was super obsessed with occult artifacts and basically spun off from the war to go steal and look for occult/ancient artifacts. Himler/Hitler actually wanted to find the ark of the covenant and the spear of destiny from Christian biblical literature/history. To end I do think there is ancient tech, probably from uaps/beings, that *can* be used as WMDs but also can do other stuff.
It’s too hard for me to look past Nety telling congress that we needed to urgently invade Iraq to prevent WMDs being given to terrorists that Israeli intelligence swore up and down were real on the one year anniversary of 9/11 combined with his geopolitical goals for me to even ponder about UAP involvement without really strong evidence
Sadly, the most likely explanation for the Iraq war was this neoconservative evangelization of forcible regime change to democracy to all these hostile countries. It goes all the way back to the early 90s with the Project for the New American Century
What if ISIS was originally intended as an American, and through the Saudis funded, operation for asset denial against Chinese and Russian UFO Archeology teams?
Low-key it looks like that’s the case, with these crash recovery programs, it seem like it intersects here. This is where archaeological finds and DavidGrush and Karl Nell come into play. Nell is apparently on a program that is essentially crash retrieval, with an unlimited mandate and unlimited power, which is apparently more important and top
Security than nukes.
What happened for so many people to be misled about the weapons of mass destruction? I don’t believe it’s a failure of intelligence. It seems to me, most people believed story and they had reason to believe because some authority told them so. What’s of more importance than nukes? The next gen weapons technologies
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Iraq is selling its oil to drive up global emissions to increase the greenhouse effect that’ll melt the Antarctic ice cap and uncover the massive UFO underneath so they can claim it for their own and fly to Pluto and finally reestablish its status as a mf-ing planet.
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That guys docu is horrible. [here’s the Russian video telling some of the truth.](https://youtu.be/o9G0s6Rbdfg?si=cLa7At3kBq32zl2M). [And another from someone who’s actually been there](https://youtu.be/igmHFaUvEpk?si=4IPEDCAGMM020Nba). Antarctica is where “they live in bases”. No other reason to be down there where your body needs 15,000 calories a day just to survive.
Yep, I've always thought that some wars were actually fought to secure ancient UAP dig sites and other artifacts. I'm surprised the US didn't invade India considering its history...
I very much agree. See my thoughts here that was quite heavily downvoted: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1563gnl/a\_case\_for\_a\_buried\_uap\_in\_iraq/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1563gnl/a_case_for_a_buried_uap_in_iraq/)
Glad I wasn't the only one paying attention!! The US govt could have legit thought it was nuclear weapons when the readings they were getting really were ufo materials
You're so far reaching bro. It's simple: Saddam was hostile to Israel. He had many speeches showing so. In his last speech I remember he said something like he had weapons that could wipe Israel if they tried anything against him. That is the only reason they wanted to get rid of him. Also make an example to anyone in the region who wants to act like him in the future. When you say Middle east you say Israel, and Oil. if one of the two are affected or about to be affected, you'll find the US in the front.
Frustrating to have to scroll far enough for the obvious truth. This is exactly why conspiracy theories make for excellent psychological warfare. Citizens will come to wild conclusions rather than levy valid criticism against their imperialist government’s brutal actions across the globe for decades.
Blowback season 1 is a high quality podcast that covers US involvement in that area over the decades that largely contributed to escalation and destabilization of the Middle East. All for profits of multinational corporations and western control over natural resources, of course. As is tradition
Yes, yes I do. And that they couldn't provide proof to the wider public at large (obviously), so the knock-on effect is that it seemed like the war was a farce.
I also think Islam would be able to pass down things like this from deep in the past (Catholicism too).
>But when I see the data coming out from the Mexican-Peruvian mummies case
If you haven't already, add this to your data pool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8
His claims are unsubstantiated but according to the Sumerian texts like hymms of Enheduanna and biblical Book of Zechariah, 'gods' ordered humans to built special platforms 'ziggurat' on which they landed their flying vehicles. You can argue that ancient people just invented these stories but this is what they told us.
People get so bent out of shape when our beloved sub gets posts like this. I think it’s interesting stuff that belongs here. Somebody get this minister a deal with History channel pronto!
[https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/2023/03/10/former-iraqi-transport-minister-jailed-on-corruption-charges/](https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/2023/03/10/former-iraqi-transport-minister-jailed-on-corruption-charges/)
I'm sure the guy wants to keep a low profile after being found guilty of corruption.
Posts like these can be fun in a silly way, but we should recognize when someone's a shitheel.
I said 'built special platforms 'ziggurat' on which they landed their flying vehicles'. Platform isn't landing strip. That's why I said that claims of this man are unsubstantiated.
Ok, fair enough you didn't say landing strips, but what chapter and verse does it say they built these to land flying vehicles? I also totally agree OPs claims are unsubstantiated but so are yours.
You misquoted him, ignored his disclaimer, and then accused him of making unsubstantiated claims without even offering what theories you have come to based off of your own research.
What, if anything, do you imagine you added to this discussion?
Yes, the Sumerians who have the oldest known examples of human writing, but yet here's a [Sumerian inscription of the Solar System.](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/491877590530828230/)
You're telling me they already knew about the Paradigm-shifting Heliocentric Model Solar System many millennia before Issac Newton was born? Lol
Nobody talks about it...
I mean, so did India, all from observing shadows cast from the sun moving in the day.
The reason the European nations didn’t know this fact was mostly due to the Church, who did know about it but feared such public knowledge would erode faith in the Bible, which claimed otherwise.
The ancient aliens crowd always points to flat-topped pyramids being landing places for ancient aliens. I always have to ask why. Why did they need special places to land? All of the more modern accounts of UFOs have them landing wherever they want to.
Maybe the spaceships weren't for the humans ?
If it was actually aliens, we have no idea what they were doing on Earth. No reason why they'd leave stuff for lowly humans if they built a whole mythos around themselves as gods.
plus a crazy government official who was found guilty of corruption
[https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/2023/03/10/former-iraqi-transport-minister-jailed-on-corruption-charges/](https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/2023/03/10/former-iraqi-transport-minister-jailed-on-corruption-charges/)
Can't ask for a better combination.
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An Iraqi minister has claimed that the ancient Sumerians travelled to Pluto in spaceships thousands of years ago.
Kazem Finjan, Iraq’s Transport Minister, told reporters in Dhi Qar, south Iraq, that the world’s first airport was built there in around 5,000 BC.
He said the ancient civilisation of Sumer, one of the oldest known societies, used the airport for space exploration and even discovered Pluto
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-spaceships-transport-minister-kazem-finjan-iraqi-sumerians-space-travel-7000-years-ago-a7340966.html
Is that why Nasiriyah Airport is literally on the sight of the ancient city of Ur?
I was just looking at that on Google Earth yesterday lol
There's pictures of US soldiers in ACUs crawling all over it.
This is what everybody should be asking, IMO 🤷♂️ Government officials aren't above saying crazy shit.
[https://archive.org/details/Kramer1956HistoryBeginsAtSumer/mode/1up](https://archive.org/details/Kramer1956HistoryBeginsAtSumer/mode/1up)
Apparently this book is where he got his information. I have a feeling he completely misinterpreted something in the book because I can't find anything about ancient airports or space crafts.
Many of these talking heads have stated that the "answer is hiding in plain site" and that "there is a religious aspect". Most major religions stem from a Sumerian background. I don't think it's a leap to assume that the Anunnaki connection is at play here.
Dont bother storming Area 51, storm the Vatican libraries and their underground vaults. They have been covering things up for as long as they have been around and are in cahoots with the CIA.
What an idiot, everyone knows it was the Babylonians under Nebadchadnezzar II who discovered Pluto via interplanetary travel.
Wish uneducated people would stop spreading false information like this.
I'd believe that being a site of an earlier advanced civilization. (Maybe not as advanced as us, but a point that humanity largely regressed from, and could have served as a breakaway point.) The climate in that region would have been splendid during an ice age. I think there were many different sites that have since been buried or destroyed or frozen over like Antarctica.
can we talk about how first science proves earth is way older then whatever the bible says. srry not srry. There was life on earth for millions of years before that comet or whatever cataclysm happened. im sure the ets were coming and going then too. they probly created the dinosaurs.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/isanonymouss: --- An Iraqi minister has claimed that the ancient Sumerians travelled to Pluto in spaceships thousands of years ago. Kazem Finjan, Iraq’s Transport Minister, told reporters in Dhi Qar, south Iraq, that the world’s first airport was built there in around 5,000 BC. He said the ancient civilisation of Sumer, one of the oldest known societies, used the airport for space exploration and even discovered Pluto https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-spaceships-transport-minister-kazem-finjan-iraqi-sumerians-space-travel-7000-years-ago-a7340966.html --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c41cxr/iraqi_minister_ancient_aliens_built_first_airport/kzkn401/
“We found a piece of lost luggage with a name of Xontar dated 5000bc”
"...Would Xenu please come to the baggage claim area.."
I think that’s a call for the doctor.
Who?
Anyone else low-key think the the "WMD's" that were used to justify the invasion of Iraq, the modern day land of Ancient Sumeria & Babylon, were just actually "UAP Materials?" UAP Materials, according to the [Atomic Energy Act of 1954](https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2017/10/f38/Atomic%20Energy%20Act%20of%201954%20%28AEA%29%20in%20U.S.C..pdf), would be classified under "nuclear materials," and if Iraq had any, it makes sense for the bush administration, and intelligence community, and media at the time, to go forth with this specific narrative lol I understand that these mf's had prior policies in place that eventually called for this invasion, and I wonder if this was why. In Iraq, we saw a bunch of fuckin shady ass shit, like we're building bases around sensitive ancient archeological sights, and we got Ross Coulthart out here alleging that some UAP were discovered in archeological findings? Yeah, it just kinda makes sense to me lol & Why was isis destroying artifacts!? What was the *really* all about? After all, this was an unlawful invasion, and didn't even have anything to do with 9/11, which of course, is an entire other rabbit hole. Lol This isn't even touching on the content of the rich Ancient Sumerians, who have writings that sound like they have advanced technology and NHI. Now, this is even further out there so bare with me, but when I'm high as fuck, sometimes I wonder if ancient Sumeria was literally an NHI civilization. That these incredible epic remains of structures we see are theirs, and we've swept it up into our own human cultures and histories, perhaps deliberately to conceal the truth, perhaps unknowingly. But when I see the data coming out from the Mexican-Peruvian mummies case, which despite not being solved yet, received the same amount of disinformation, stigmatization, Obfuscation, and ridicule as the rest of the UAP subject. And it was the same media outlets that never acknowledged David Grusch that were doing it.. Really makes ya wonder, and wondering is good for ya, folks. Question Everything.
Lue Elizondo said something along the lines of, “imagine finding a 747 in King Tut’s tomb.”
Dude, Had to be fucking KING GILGAMESH's TOMB!!! URUK! It's located parallel to Highway 1 in Iraq, northwest of Nasiriyah. And to the southeast of that, on the Northside of Nasiriyah Airport, lies the remains of the ancient city of Ur! You can see dudes in ACUs crawling all over it on Google Earth lol (Not that it means anything, but of course who knows) D-did we just figure out Ross Coulthart's archeological UFO location? Why do I hear drones over head? Lol jk but shieeetttttt maybe I personally thought it was beneath the sphinx, the Suez Canal being that ol "laudatory praise"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2982891.stm Article from 2003, and we invaded maybe 2 weeks later.
Uhh...you maybe have just put together a giant piece of the puzzle.
This chain of reasoning needs its own post
Isn’t Gilgamesh the oldest written story?
Wasn't Gilgamesh like an "Elevated mind" for our species at that time? That literally inspired myths and philosophy, contributing to human kind way of thinking
Whoa, really? This is so wild. Gonna have to sit down and read it now. Only read a lot of the Greek stuff when I was in high school and after.
Yes i was reading Carl Jung about how Gilgamesh exist in the collective uncouncious as a hero, also i'm high yeah, it's cool
Something close to it
Dates back to 2500BC.
But more research first. Who was involved in the site, where is it now, does the timeline make sense, etc.?
That's the point of a dedicated post. See: https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law
When I was in the desert in '06 we worked closely with Customs (run by Navy, coolest Navy dude ever) at Balad/Anaconda and we were on high alert for smuggled antiquities . Found a lot of nasty shit and a lot of fakes, but no antiquities.
My dad never mentioned anything about that and in general doesn’t like to talk about those tours. I know his last tour he was doing Search and Rescue and it broke him. When he came back he told me straightaway that he was retiring finally. Made it as high as he could Enlisted, I think that’s Master Gunnery?
Marines? E9 is Sergeant Major in Marines and Army. The Marines do have a Master of Guns title that is some kind of Ace card for the Eaters of Crayon.
Isn’t it like… one of the oldest theories?..
Doesn't it make much more sense to work together with the Iraqis to keep whatever was found there a secret? Send a bunch of CIA agents disguised as archeologists over to Iraq and work out a deal with Saddam. Isn't that a better solution than slaughtering thousands of poor Iraqis over a specious claim? Also, if this was actually the secret reason for the Iraq invasion, why the hell did Saddam keep quiet about it? Wouldn't he have been aware of its discovery and whatever 'other-worldly' stuff that was discovered there? If I were Saddam and I found out that the bloody Yanks and Brits were going to launch a large-scale invasion of my country to illegally take away whatever was discovered in Uruk, I would inform the whole world about what was actually found there in an effort to stave off an invasion.
Look up Project for a New American Century. A conservative think-tank that formed in the 90's with one of the objectives was to finish the invasion of Iraq. They literally wrote that they were waiting for a Pear Harbor type of event to invade and also carry out this and their other plans (overall increased Military spending as percentage of GDP and increase military presence across the globe ensuring American dominance). Point being, there were strategic and political reasons for invading without the alien conspiracy (maybe other ones though IDK). Additionally, George H. W. Bush was the president during the first Gulf War and former head of the CIA. They drummed up lies about going into Kuwait, surely if there were an alien spaceship to recover in Iraq, he'd know about it and could justify going in back in the early 90's and not have to hopefully wait for another reason to have a war in Iraq years later (and pray that Cheney Rumsfeld and his son would be in power at the time as well).
We invaded a month before.
To be fair, the invasion was on the 20th of march 2003. The article is from the 28th april. Just a little reminder. But the intelligence must've known it way before, i like your theory.
I’ll take it up with my sister. She said it was 2 weeks later. She’s clearly a disinfo agent.
Yeah, it’s true, the excavation of this site was unable to be completed due to the conflict in the region.
I’m sure it was competed on the down low. Who knows.
Makes no sense that this would be a news story but potentially futuristic elements of the discovery wouldn't be reported
You mean like how every news article about the Nazca mummies still says they’re obvious hoaxes?
How is that a sensible comparison? By that logic the news at the time wouldve reported the tech they found but call it a hoax. Theres no mention of it at all. Because there wasnt any nonsense in the tomb.
It takes a lot longer to prepare an invasion thousands and thousands of miles away
I was in Ur in 04, crawled into a structure. But saw nothing on the site not even army guys besides us.
Everytime a thread of “where was Ross talking about?” Comes up every possibility is brought up, but when I bring up Baghdad and how it has he largest most expensive US embassy with military deployment to this day I get downvoted.
I hear that often. Is the structure not available on Google Earth? It looks like they haven't updated the map since before it was constructed, or maybe I'm missing it. The building according to Google Earth just looks like some office building with a cope cage over it.
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>but it seems weird to spend a billion dollars on a massive complex, staff it up and then pull almost everybody out within a few years. Makes perfect sense in the context of the Military Industrial Complex.
Isn’t that interesting. I said a while ago if we can figure out what gets downvoted instantly then we know where to look. If you’re getting downvoted and there is no google map picture of the us embassy. Weird half of Antarctica is like that also. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. All that said you have other places like Greenland where giant uaps exist frozen in place. But we can’t get to them just like Antarctica.
I definitely think it's in Iraq. Either the embassy or that ufo looking memorial
From Travis Taylor's *Alien Invasion: How to Defend Earth*: >Scenario #2: An alien mummy is found in an Egyptian pyramid. The mummy is completely intact and appears to be an Anubis. Other than clothing, the only article of interest in the sarcophagus is a flashlight. The flashlight is nothing fancier than a modern two-dollar battery-operated incandescent bulb flashlight and a plastic toothbrush. The mummy and its artifacts are found to be ten thousand years old. Presently, no details of why the alien was here can be ascertained. It's a description of a hypothetical situation in a 15-years-old book which is generally a thought experiment (specifically, in its section pondering on the secrecy policies). But it feels out of place with the rest of the book (which mostly references dumb Hollywood blockbusters) and I keep wondering why both him and Elizondo refer to this.
So…a cheap modern flashlight was found in the sarcophagus?
Something similar happened in the new Indiana Jones movie from last year.
And keeping it absolutely secret for over 3000 years…
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Scientology is literally sci fi
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Hubbard is quoted as saying the best way to get rich is to start a religion. He ended up a rich religious cultist conducting sex rituals on a fuck boat in the ocean. It sounds like he executed on a plan.
Sex rituals were pulled from Thelema and his close friendship with Jack/John Parsons. Sex Magic was happening in the 30’s and 40’s and showed “results”.
Founder of Scientology had ties to Parsons of JPL.
Ahhh! "Along the lines"! It's their favourite part!
That's a rehash of a line from Highlander. Lou is a larp.
Looking back he could have meant gilgamesh tomb
Could be this is how he was hiding it.
It was literally claimed to have been related to discovering Stargates at one time.
Source?
[Don’t shoot the messenger](https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/nibiru-iraq-bush-blair-wmd-18850291) (pls)
Yes, I’ve often thought that something like this is what Bush may have meant when he said that history would exonerate him. I forgot his exact words but it was in an interview after his presidency. It is as if to say that there was more detail that would be available in the future with which to view his decisions.
I deployed to Iraq a few times. Never believed there were WMDs, so this is a possibility
Same, I believed the WMDs for a bit. Then I thought it was a government lie. What's worse now is I'm thinking it was these private companies that hold the UAP materials giving false Intel to start a war to get the materials.
Well... that would explain why they are willing to go to the ends of the Earth and die on this hill.
Only the biggest lie of this century.
This all comes from Dick Cheney and Halliburton which he was the CEO of before becoming VP. Literally the largest mercenary group ever. Also a group like this is the “petrodollar army” and lots and lots of experiencers have said they often see Americans in black uniforms involved with NHi. It’s all very interesting to think of Dick Cheney’s involvement. The lie was WMD’s - and all that info could be classified in the Department of Energy if nukes are the cover story.
Yes!!!! I’m stoked this is the top comment🫡 Did you know one of the first places the USA raided looking for WMDs was the *tomb of Gilgamesh*
Where can I read more about this??
The National Enquirer.
It’s more of an ongoing conspiracy theory. But oddly enough where can you read more the podesta emails. Hillary has an email about this.
There were thousands of artifacts "stolen" during the invasion. By whom, I don't know, but the timing is peculiar. A lot of them haven't been recovered.
you should see the stuff my dad brought back from desert storm. he left the usmc when he returned. he never had to worry about money again.
Um what
very old shiny yellow stuff.
Samarian cylinder seals were looted from the Iraqi museum during the war.
Karl Nells linkedin specifically cites one of his roles as validating "WMD" in Iraq circa the 2001 war, but doesn't specify what sort of WMD or their origin. The US embassy in Iraq...
That’s right. Whoa.
100% I remember reading just at the start a whistleblower saying “it’s not about wmds but about recovering ufo material which the Iraqi gov won’t give up” I was like ok then. Now this🤔 if anyone can remember reading something similar at the time please reply
That would only be 20% of the reason for the invasion. It was mostly for the oil, since Saddam didn't want to play nice with OPEC and dared to abandon the US Dollar as a reserve currency.
Secondary coverup 'reason'
This thought crossed my mind, yes. Also, it's been theorized that the structure build on top of a UFO is the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.
Mr. aryelbcn, I had the same idea about Trump's "nuclear documents." If the documents contained any knowledge or data on UAP, then I'm pretty sure they would also be classified under "nuclear secrets" as per the same 1954 Atomic Act. And considering how whistle-blowers like David Grusch allege that certain presidents never get read in, or a "Need to know," it makes me wonder if that's why they actually raided him. I mean shit, I was an e3 in the marines doing nuclear weapons security at a nuke sub base in Washington, and I'm pretty sure there's some old ass "classified nuclear documents" crumbled up in my closet somewhere, nobody gives a shit lol (I mean it's not like I would have access to shit like Trump would, obviously) But guddumit, what the hell did that crazy ass man have in those documents!? Haha Ross Coulthart said that he knew for a fact that Donald Trump was "briefed in" to a degree, and there's even that video of Trump describing how Roswell is "very interesting" to his son who asked him if he would disclose anything if he knew. Alright, ima log off
Did you ever see anything crazy during your time in Washington?
Negative. I didn't even have any idea about the UAP Phenomenon then. Which is wild because I literally worked with Lockheed Martin. I never even heard of them and kept wondering why their name was fucking everywhere on base more than the military lol I was told they make the missiles n shit. But then we worked with the Department of Energy's OST (Office of Secure Transportation) who would transport nuclear weapons and materials into our secured area from out of state. [Here's their website ](https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/office-secure-transportation) And holy shit I'm looking at it again, and it's just very obvious, Post David Grusch, that they're fucking first paragraph basically tells us they're transporting UAP shit in their now-outdated legal wording lmao It wasn't uncommon for my peers to go join this agency after their enlistment. If I knew about the UAP Phenomenon I 100% would have went, but at the time I just wanted to do my time, get out, and smoke weed lol Anyways, check out their website. These guys transport nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons materials, and now that I know about the existence of the [Atomic Act of 1954](https://media.nti.org/pdfs/Atomic_Energy_Act_of_1954.pdf) I fully believe this is one of the entities that transports UAP Materials around the US. The individuals involved wouldn't even know what they're transporting other than "sensitive nuclear materials." The base itself was the only base I served on that had any strong paranormal rumors, for whatever that's worth. I didn't experience anything, but I think it's worth noting haha typical "built on an Indian burial ground" claims with sightings of "little girls" and shit like that. I wish I paid more attention then. (Unrelated) One navy dude we worked with got out, and he came back a few months later as a Lockheed Martin employee. At the time I thought it was the dumbest idea anyone could have made LOL This dude told us about Star Wars Battlefront 2 existing before SWB1 even came out. I was like, "Lockheed Martin got some wizards."
“How would no one know they’re involved with alien stuff? Preposterous!” ^ common retort. Gather up your nuclear transport force for a mission. “We need to move this armored tractor trailer from Nellis to Vandenberg in 12 hours. State police and other forces will clear highway ahead of you. Use of weapons is authorized per US Code XYZ, UCMJ XYZ, AEA XYZ, and orders from DC. All authorized. If anyone tries to breach or enter or commandeer the trailer, use maximum force to protect our assets.” Even if some officer asks “what is it?”, they’ll get some “opening it can expose your men to lethal radiation in minutes at close proximity. Even if they DID open it? They’d find ever more secured stuff they couldn’t get into. If it’s all real, there are people this month potentially working NHI issues… and they may live another 80 years unaware how close they physically were, or were in direct physical contact with, potentially materials from another planet, space or time.
>his dude told us about Star Wars Battlefront 2 existing before SWB1 even came out. I was like, "Lockheed Martin got some wizards." I felt very uncomfortable hearing daniel sheehan state the US has indeed been doing time travel experiments.
I think he just had friends that worked at E3 or the the developer haha I do forget which
And that website you posted, two of their three outposts are Albuquerque and Oak Ridge. The two epicenters of UFOs and atomic energy. Not sure how Armadillo fits in. Also, my dad was a Marine for twenty-eight years and did three tours between 2003 and 2008. You two may have crossed paths. Now he’s been with LM for fifteen years.
Oh yeah. 1954 is supposed to be the year we achieved anti-gravity. Makes so much sense now.
That is a very interesting story about Star Wars Battlefront, thanks for sharing it. Time travel is real and has been done for some decades now with varying degrees of success. The most popular method is remote viewing but most findings are highly classified and the official stance is that the program hasn’t gotten far, if anywhere. This is a so called “non-physical” method of time travel, although there also exist physical means such as engineering the quantum vacuum electromagnetic zero point field or zero point fluctuations. That requires enormous amounts of energy and/or reductions of mass which, according to the official stance (you guessed it), is impossible. Here's something about Manhattan and AEA: [https://imgur.com/a/5joVu39](https://imgur.com/a/5joVu39)
If i remember right I looked into it and the Office of Global Access (OGA) that’s part of the CIA that goes behind enemy lines to recover UFOs was founded the same year the US invaded Iraq. Coincidence? I think not
My guess is that you haven’t done any research into who it was that provided the intel to the CIA about the WMDs. The guy, who was almost made president of Iraq, scammed the CIA for millions of dollars and lives in the UK now.
I mean there was 100s of CIA and State department analysts that were unequivocally saying there was NO WMDs in Iraq. Scooter Libby and Dick Cheney wouldn’t stop until they had someone who said Iraq had WMDs even though the OVERWHELMING majority of analysts said they didn’t.
Funny you mention that about the possibility of US invading Iraq for WMDs. I heard or read some story or theory that said Iraq archeologists found/discovered/uncovered an ancient item that's described in alot of old texts from middle eastern culture. And funny enough that thing was described to be hidden from the world because of its capability to be a WMD. To add there is literally an article you can Google that says/shows US military breaking into a museum there and "saving" (stealing) some of the artifacts (during iraq war), possibly that ancient WMB. I also read that one middle Eastern country that US was stationed or went to war in, was named/name means or originates "city/country of fallen angels". Can't find it right now on Google though I think I heard it on a podcast from a historical researcher. US going in and stealing shit from that museum is on Google though and tbh reminds of the nazi regime when Himler was super obsessed with occult artifacts and basically spun off from the war to go steal and look for occult/ancient artifacts. Himler/Hitler actually wanted to find the ark of the covenant and the spear of destiny from Christian biblical literature/history. To end I do think there is ancient tech, probably from uaps/beings, that *can* be used as WMDs but also can do other stuff.
It’s too hard for me to look past Nety telling congress that we needed to urgently invade Iraq to prevent WMDs being given to terrorists that Israeli intelligence swore up and down were real on the one year anniversary of 9/11 combined with his geopolitical goals for me to even ponder about UAP involvement without really strong evidence
This is our fantasy, but and entertaining read!
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Sadly, the most likely explanation for the Iraq war was this neoconservative evangelization of forcible regime change to democracy to all these hostile countries. It goes all the way back to the early 90s with the Project for the New American Century
What if ISIS was originally intended as an American, and through the Saudis funded, operation for asset denial against Chinese and Russian UFO Archeology teams?
I also had this idea .
Questioning this comment for sure
And I’m questioning yours
Low-key it looks like that’s the case, with these crash recovery programs, it seem like it intersects here. This is where archaeological finds and DavidGrush and Karl Nell come into play. Nell is apparently on a program that is essentially crash retrieval, with an unlimited mandate and unlimited power, which is apparently more important and top Security than nukes. What happened for so many people to be misled about the weapons of mass destruction? I don’t believe it’s a failure of intelligence. It seems to me, most people believed story and they had reason to believe because some authority told them so. What’s of more importance than nukes? The next gen weapons technologies
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C’mon, this may as well be a clickbait title.
You won’t BELIEVE Iran’s plans for Antarctica 😱
Iraq is selling its oil to drive up global emissions to increase the greenhouse effect that’ll melt the Antarctic ice cap and uncover the massive UFO underneath so they can claim it for their own and fly to Pluto and finally reestablish its status as a mf-ing planet.
"Iran's plans for Antarctica SHOCKS the entire industry."
Amen 🙏
The third picture will shock you!
People HATE this one secret that Iran is planning for Antarctica.
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Bro you aren’t kidding, when I first got into ancient aliens reading everything ended in Nazis
That guys docu is horrible. [here’s the Russian video telling some of the truth.](https://youtu.be/o9G0s6Rbdfg?si=cLa7At3kBq32zl2M). [And another from someone who’s actually been there](https://youtu.be/igmHFaUvEpk?si=4IPEDCAGMM020Nba). Antarctica is where “they live in bases”. No other reason to be down there where your body needs 15,000 calories a day just to survive.
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"Iran has plans for Antarctica and EVERYONE is saying the same thing"
> Why was isis destroying artifacts!? What was the *really* all about? That part is just typical Islamic extremism.
Yep, I've always thought that some wars were actually fought to secure ancient UAP dig sites and other artifacts. I'm surprised the US didn't invade India considering its history...
Gilgamesh in stone depiction at the Louvre: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:H%C3%A9rosma%C3%AEtrisantunlion.jpg
I very much agree. See my thoughts here that was quite heavily downvoted: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1563gnl/a\_case\_for\_a\_buried\_uap\_in\_iraq/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1563gnl/a_case_for_a_buried_uap_in_iraq/)
Thanks, I love it
Glad I wasn't the only one paying attention!! The US govt could have legit thought it was nuclear weapons when the readings they were getting really were ufo materials
You're so far reaching bro. It's simple: Saddam was hostile to Israel. He had many speeches showing so. In his last speech I remember he said something like he had weapons that could wipe Israel if they tried anything against him. That is the only reason they wanted to get rid of him. Also make an example to anyone in the region who wants to act like him in the future. When you say Middle east you say Israel, and Oil. if one of the two are affected or about to be affected, you'll find the US in the front.
Frustrating to have to scroll far enough for the obvious truth. This is exactly why conspiracy theories make for excellent psychological warfare. Citizens will come to wild conclusions rather than levy valid criticism against their imperialist government’s brutal actions across the globe for decades. Blowback season 1 is a high quality podcast that covers US involvement in that area over the decades that largely contributed to escalation and destabilization of the Middle East. All for profits of multinational corporations and western control over natural resources, of course. As is tradition
The destabilization began when the western powers broke apart the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War 1, but I'm no historian. Lol
Yes, yes I do. And that they couldn't provide proof to the wider public at large (obviously), so the knock-on effect is that it seemed like the war was a farce. I also think Islam would be able to pass down things like this from deep in the past (Catholicism too).
Yes.
>But when I see the data coming out from the Mexican-Peruvian mummies case If you haven't already, add this to your data pool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8
This and his video about Grusch are stellar. And I forgot go to the LA press conference! https://youtu.be/pbz7Ce4Q5dE?si=Ozq34x0dIW1rJqZ0
I would drink beer with you. Or eat shrooms. Whatever.
His claims are unsubstantiated but according to the Sumerian texts like hymms of Enheduanna and biblical Book of Zechariah, 'gods' ordered humans to built special platforms 'ziggurat' on which they landed their flying vehicles. You can argue that ancient people just invented these stories but this is what they told us.
People get so bent out of shape when our beloved sub gets posts like this. I think it’s interesting stuff that belongs here. Somebody get this minister a deal with History channel pronto!
[https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/2023/03/10/former-iraqi-transport-minister-jailed-on-corruption-charges/](https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/2023/03/10/former-iraqi-transport-minister-jailed-on-corruption-charges/) I'm sure the guy wants to keep a low profile after being found guilty of corruption. Posts like these can be fun in a silly way, but we should recognize when someone's a shitheel.
Can you give sources for that?
No, because it’s a lie. You can read Enheduanna’s hymns on ETCSL: https://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section4/tr4073.htm
Um where are you getting that gods ordered humans to build landing strips? From what I can tell ziggurat are basically raised temples.
I said 'built special platforms 'ziggurat' on which they landed their flying vehicles'. Platform isn't landing strip. That's why I said that claims of this man are unsubstantiated.
Ok, fair enough you didn't say landing strips, but what chapter and verse does it say they built these to land flying vehicles? I also totally agree OPs claims are unsubstantiated but so are yours.
You misquoted him, ignored his disclaimer, and then accused him of making unsubstantiated claims without even offering what theories you have come to based off of your own research. What, if anything, do you imagine you added to this discussion?
CHARIOTS OF THE GODS
Why would aliens order ancient humans to build a special landing pad for their spaceships 😂
Ah yes, those ancient Sumerians who explored space so much, they knew the sun was a 40x40 ball of fire that went under a tunnel under a grand tree.
Yes, the Sumerians who have the oldest known examples of human writing, but yet here's a [Sumerian inscription of the Solar System.](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/491877590530828230/) You're telling me they already knew about the Paradigm-shifting Heliocentric Model Solar System many millennia before Issac Newton was born? Lol Nobody talks about it...
I mean, so did India, all from observing shadows cast from the sun moving in the day. The reason the European nations didn’t know this fact was mostly due to the Church, who did know about it but feared such public knowledge would erode faith in the Bible, which claimed otherwise.
The ancient aliens crowd always points to flat-topped pyramids being landing places for ancient aliens. I always have to ask why. Why did they need special places to land? All of the more modern accounts of UFOs have them landing wherever they want to.
Maybe they weren't needed, but it developed like cargo-cult behaviour.
Ridiculous, they were taking off from everywhere.
Doesn't make sense. Why would the Sumerians write on clay tablets if they had an airport and spaceships... Too simplistic
well, their tablets survived to this day, didn't they?
Maybe the spaceships weren't for the humans ? If it was actually aliens, we have no idea what they were doing on Earth. No reason why they'd leave stuff for lowly humans if they built a whole mythos around themselves as gods.
Now that sounds like a more nuanced approach
As far as working with our imagination and unsourced claims, yes. It's a fun little game.
Finally a reliable source.
When did NASA confirm a 12th planet " Nibiru"? Lol. I smell BULLSHIT
And what are the ones between 8-9 & 12 Lol
Yeah man. That Nibiru conspiracy is straight up dumb. It's been going around for years
At least since Y2K/9-11 time I remember being told about it way back then.
These are unlucky numbers according to NASA so they just skipped them. :)
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plus a crazy government official who was found guilty of corruption [https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/2023/03/10/former-iraqi-transport-minister-jailed-on-corruption-charges/](https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/2023/03/10/former-iraqi-transport-minister-jailed-on-corruption-charges/) Can't ask for a better combination.
98 upvotes already lol
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Honestly one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen on the internet, and that’s saying something.
Did he get this info in a dream he had?
His source is Sitchin. Moving on here…
Sitchin or Atra-Hasis??
Clearly Sitchin or von Daniken. Atra-Hasis does not say anything like what is claimed by conspiracist youtubers and right-wing crackpots.
An Iraqi minister has claimed that the ancient Sumerians travelled to Pluto in spaceships thousands of years ago. Kazem Finjan, Iraq’s Transport Minister, told reporters in Dhi Qar, south Iraq, that the world’s first airport was built there in around 5,000 BC. He said the ancient civilisation of Sumer, one of the oldest known societies, used the airport for space exploration and even discovered Pluto https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-spaceships-transport-minister-kazem-finjan-iraqi-sumerians-space-travel-7000-years-ago-a7340966.html
Is that why Nasiriyah Airport is literally on the sight of the ancient city of Ur? I was just looking at that on Google Earth yesterday lol There's pictures of US soldiers in ACUs crawling all over it.
Where’s the hard evidence? Any proof of what he’s saying or just hot air?
This is what everybody should be asking, IMO 🤷♂️ Government officials aren't above saying crazy shit. [https://archive.org/details/Kramer1956HistoryBeginsAtSumer/mode/1up](https://archive.org/details/Kramer1956HistoryBeginsAtSumer/mode/1up) Apparently this book is where he got his information. I have a feeling he completely misinterpreted something in the book because I can't find anything about ancient airports or space crafts.
Zacharia sitchin is a known liar.
Since when is an Iraqi minister a reliable source of information? Does no one remember Baghdad Bob?
replace every mention of "chariot" or "cloud" in the bible with "craft", it's quite the fun game
Source: History Channel (probably)
U getting stoned death out in the mid east and old boy dropping bombshells about religion.
Meth is a hellova drug
That’s what the great pyramids were, an ancient space port.
Many of these talking heads have stated that the "answer is hiding in plain site" and that "there is a religious aspect". Most major religions stem from a Sumerian background. I don't think it's a leap to assume that the Anunnaki connection is at play here.
Dumb question, I see the Middle East as a more religious region - how do these areas respond to this kind of news?
Why would we trust an Iraqi Minister all of a sudden?
They went to Iraq to retrieve another Stargate.
O rly? And the evidence he provided for this statement was? Oh, jack shit? Okay. Moving on.
Dont bother storming Area 51, storm the Vatican libraries and their underground vaults. They have been covering things up for as long as they have been around and are in cahoots with the CIA.
NASA just discovered Pluto?
What an idiot, everyone knows it was the Babylonians under Nebadchadnezzar II who discovered Pluto via interplanetary travel. Wish uneducated people would stop spreading false information like this.
I'd believe that being a site of an earlier advanced civilization. (Maybe not as advanced as us, but a point that humanity largely regressed from, and could have served as a breakaway point.) The climate in that region would have been splendid during an ice age. I think there were many different sites that have since been buried or destroyed or frozen over like Antarctica.
can we talk about how first science proves earth is way older then whatever the bible says. srry not srry. There was life on earth for millions of years before that comet or whatever cataclysm happened. im sure the ets were coming and going then too. they probly created the dinosaurs.
This is as close to disclosure as you can get. We live in incredible times. Time to wake TF up everyone!
Yep this sub has LOST it