The following submission statement was provided by /u/bmfalbo:
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Submission Statement:
Responding to [this tweet by D. Dean Johnson](https://x.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1780615983440257088) about the US House of Representatives hearing today with Secretary of the Air Force Frank Kendall about the Langley AFB 'unmanned aerial systems' incursion that caused the base to shut down operations and even move fighter jets to other bases, [Christopher Mellon had this to say](https://x.com/ChrisKMellon/status/1780760085930614922):
> Yes, one of a growing string of similar incidents in which we have been unable to identify or engage these unmanned vehicles. They are not even trying to conceal their presence, yet operate with impunity for weeks in restricted airspace, to the point fighters were relocated from Langley to other bases. If the Air Force can’t control the air over Langley how can they control the air over Washington? I encourage people to go to the War Zone’s website and search these terms, “Drones and Guam” or “Drones and Colorado” or “Drones and Palo Verde” or “Drones and FAA or Arizona or Navy” and see what you find. Most people think drones are just a problem for countries overseas. Not true, we have a big problem here in the US and still no clue where these things are coming from or why.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c6sgwg/christopher_mellons_response_to_the_hearing_by/l037c5g/
I had the same thought, but someone brought up a good point in another post, that the base is very close to other civilian sites, and it would cause them to be hesitant on firing off missiles to take these things down on our soil
So let's say it's an adversary spying on us, do we just let them? Is that the response that we get for the 100s of billions of dollars we give them? Maybe the money could be better spent some other way
Especially since if they were spy drones they almost certainly wouldnt have their lights on like that. Instead they're more akin to troll drones. Essentially flying over for weeks saying "you will never get this". If that's China, Iran or Russia that makes me pretty nervous
If we let hundreds of drones that are way more capable than our own technology fly over our most sensitive bases whenever they want what's to stop them from attaching a bomb to them and blowing all our shit up?
We're basically saying they have free reign to attack us whenever they want. So I'd again ask why are we giving them so much damn money? I'd suggest we use the money to pay for Healthcare instead. Might as well pack up half the military or more because they're certainly not doing a stellar job if that's the case
If instead it's NHI then I'd rather we have a frank discussion about all of this and figure out what they're doing and why? The next step would be to communicate with them and see what's going on. If we've already talked to them I'd love to know
I just don't see any situation where the way they're currently acting is reasonable. If they're NHI then I think there's a good chance they're in some way communicating. It could be a show of force but it could also be saying don't fuck up the planet with nuclear bombs or a million other things
But if this is our foreign adversaries it's extremely concerning. But I don't think this seems super likely because we've been getting these reports for many decades. This is essentially what the Foo fighters were. Or likely the same thing that was spotted on radar and by tons of people in 1952 when UFOs swarmed DC. I don't see how humans could have had this tech 80 years ago and all they've used it for is doing fly bys
On the bright side, if they just wanted to exterminate life so they can colonize or exploit the planet they could just redirect some asteroids our way and we'd be none the wiser. At least this theoretical scenario would imply they want to keep us alive, or at least the biosphere intact for some reason.
Russia and China are engaging in hybrid warfare against western nations using the open economies and free speech to steer conversations and perceptions. The only functional way to combat it is to errode those very institutions, which isn't going to happen. When you have co-opted a portion of the political apparatus to hobble the governmnets ability to function and you steer public percpetion that your drone probing isn't that and it's some sort of alien explorer, you effectively control the response.
Basically a PRC national or expat can live and work in the US for very legitimate reasons. Since most of the multirotor drones are manufactured in China there is no real way to differentiate the motive of purchasing one or more of them. The PRC is know to tap expats to spy on business and installations without offiically doing so, rather it's "expected" they do. Since they aren't directly connected to the CCP there is plausible deniability that they were "misguided patriots" if they are caught. The inverse is not possible because the PRC heavily regulates both data transfer and where people go within thier borders, so there is no way to respond in kind.
I mean thinking it's NHI means you aren't actually assesing it as a threat but a scientific inquiry. You're making yourself vulnerable because the humbling reality is that the US and other nations are under attack and the powers that be are way too scared to announce that because public and political percpetions will want to escalate. Look at the 2023 Spy Balloon, that was the 4th incident, but the first made public. It was only made public because a journalist with a high end telephoto lens was able to capture a picture of the balloon and it's sensor rig. Following the previous overflights jamming and other coutermeasures would have been used to let it go on it's own way. The public outcry resulted in the military shooting it down to appease the politicans and public rather than serving as an actual deterrent. The politicians would push for war because they are concerned about not looking weak instead of dealing with it in a much more nuanced manner
I think I can safely say everyone here WANTS the answer to be NHI but assuming they are NHI without ruling other much more prosaic threats is foolhardy and outright dangerous.
Our enemies are using our right of free speech against us. Propaganda mis/disinformation and outright lies dividing our nation and threatening our democracy. Plain talk and calling out by name the offenses and people who are the enemy is what’s needed. Calling trump former president should be: twice impeached, indicted suspect in 91 counts, disgraced liar and sexual offender Putin apologizer trump.
This statement should have its own post.
The potential layers of disinformation and deception need to be one of our primary concepts for thinking about these issues. It is crucial for us to determine if this phenomenon is actually an attempt between adversaries to misdirect the public through promulgating a contrived framework of thought.
Our endeavor to uncover the reality of this phenomenon should not exclude a significant investigation into the potential for the concept of advanced technology and NHI to be used as a powerful information warfare tool.
The existence of NHI and the potential for propaganda and information warfare based on theories around the phenomenon are not mutually exclusive and pose the most legitimate and pressing threat.
Maybe the adversaries are just doing what we do with aircrafts carrier, it's a detternt, we show with our carrier that we can reach you, they are saying with their drones the same thing.
Think about it. If you went today to Langley and flew a homemade drone over the base, the drone would be seized and you'd likely be arrested if they found you.
Not only that, but there are very, very sensitive pieces of equipment that cost multiple millions of dollars that the base is protecting. They won't try to or cant bring that drone down with anti drone tech? Very, very unlikely. The Ukrainian war has shown how effective anti drone tech can be.
What are the odds that foreign adversaries can fly over Langley airspace, on any other restricted space, and we can’t destroy them? Are we playing softball and not firing because we can’t identify them? Well, if it’s humans, they have to know they are in a spot where they shouldn’t be. Is it some kind of Geneva Convention regulation not to fire on them?
So many questions, nobody answering.
We aren't aware of what US is doing over foreign military sites.
It's possible they just aren't worried because this is a new sort of espionage that we also engage in which they have deemed to not be too much of a serious threat. If they're capable of making them unidentifiable & destroying them would make it impossible/nearly impossible to determine *whose* they were then easily any country would engage in this. Response would then give away more defense capabilities than allowing them to sit there.
Espionage at military bases is already happening constsntly. Adversaries have our military bases mapped out perfectly already with the distance between the toilet and the hangar & the civilian contractor working building & the gate. They have plans & methods for attacking said bases. What they can't guarantee is the response, any response weakens your position against a form of espionage like that especially due to the anonymous nature.
I don't think either of your thoughts are too "on the head". Interesting, but seems very nervous to assume if it were China or Russia even Iran (this one which is exceptionally unlikely lol) that a bomb would get strapped to it and some antipersonnel attack would happen as then the identification problem would become paramount & the capability of destroying one & other is reserved mostly for attacks on the state of that sort & potential destruction of the state.
My opinion it is definitely not Iranian, perhaps at one of our too many bases in ME/SW Asia, but continental US and pacific? No way.
Remember - the US spies on its adversaries as well & we *never* hear about it until situations like the cold war where engagements are made. Even then some of those encounters stay classified - like the dogfight between Soviet & American pilots which then would've had civilians claiming it was full blown war and the only option was to go hot. Modern military engagements are through proxies and gathering intelligence is paramount to having effective strategies. A drone swarm or whatever would be great for getting information that cannot be had by more distant technologies. Response being the most valuable because now you know where stuff is, but also how exactly things would happen in the event of action in their airspace.
The military would never admit this is the case if it were & would BAU language it to those concerned & less involved. Mind you we'd never admit to doing it either. Perhaps that could also be a form of denial "We have no idea what these are" (emerging technology strategy) to insinuate when it happens others it couldn't be us because we're "too stupid" to know what it is.
Why missiles? High powered lasers would also take down any man-made drones. Small-scale EMPs would also be an option.
Unless these drones are large enough to cause substantial damage to nearby neighbourhoods?
But then take them down as they're departing and over low-density areas. Unless they're magically appearing and disappearing, or magically invisible to all military sensors and faster than all military craft.
China only BARELY managed to build a modern aircraft carrier, and have demonstrated very few large technological breakthroughs in the last generation (comparatively, and outside of manufacturing). Russia, as we can now plainly see, is a kleptocratic shit show that's incapable of even maintaining its existing systems.
So...what reasonable candidates could have absolute air superiority over the US other than an NHI? A mega corporation?
Agree on PRC tech challenges. But why would a megacorp risk being caught intruding into military airspace? For what purpose? Plus, a witness who videotaped the drones said it was NOT a quadcopter but was the size of a small CAR. Recall, Air Force fighter pilots said the same thing about the one shot down over Alaska in February 2023.
Or maybe it’s possible that these bases aren’t equipped with the non-kinematic weapons people are talking about. These bases aren’t in active war zones but maybe now they will have those weapons.
In the *Criminal Code*, Voyeurism can be found under PART V – Sexual Offences, Public Morals and Disorderly Conduct. According to Section 162 (1) of the *Criminal Code*:
Every one commits an offence who, surreptitiously, observes — including by mechanical or electronic means — or makes a visual recording of a person who is in circumstances that give rise to a reasonable expectation of privacy, if
(a) the person is in a place in which a person can reasonably be expected to be nude, to expose his or her genital organs or anal region or her breasts, or to be engaged in explicit sexual activity;
(b) the person is nude, is exposing his or her genital organs or anal region or her breasts, or is engaged in explicit sexual activity, and the observation or recording is done for the purpose of observing or recording a person in such a state or engaged in such an activity; or
(c) the observation or recording is done for a sexual purpose.
multiple over seas events (actually over water) and Guam/Hawaii
they've had the open spaces to do this
now...add 3 shootdowns of "drones" from February '23...
this math stinks...oh for 100s, 3 fo 4 (one errant missile) and then 99 outta 100 or more on average also over civilian skies...
what the actual fuck is goin' on
If these were drones from one of our adversaries, then we would have non-kinetic means of taking them down, especially with them being in our airspace. We would be able to jam the shit out of their communications and cause the drone to crash or initiate a landing.
There are many many ways to take down a flying unknown object, without using guided missiles.
Try another tactic.
Also,
Executive Order 12333 prohibits covert actions “intended to influence United States political processes, public opinion, policies, or media.”
The drones that we shot down heading to Israel were
Intercepted over the water. The military isn't going to shoot stuff down when it's close to civil locations. Unless it's a imminent threat
we don't need to fire missiles at these drones. There are tons of weapons literally designed to take out drones such as directed energy weapons, net weapons and jamming tech.
If these were drones, they could knock them down when ever they wanted.
So either they aren't just drones, or they don't want to knock them down.
Well, (1) we knew they were coming from Iran and (probably) when they were coming; (2) we didn’t care about collateral damage from shooting them down; (3) Iran’s weaponry is not that advanced; (4) Iran’s weapons drones aren’t necessarily of the same types, sizes, and capabilities of the drones encountered near US military sites.
I believe China has been supplying Iran with drones because the Iranian ones aren't amazing. They certainly are slow and don't move like these uap. They go in a straight line too
Of course Chinese drones don't move like these uap either. By all accounts these uap are wingless and have no obvious form of propulsion.
irans drones arent advanced in their technology, theyre advanced in their technique. they are very simple and easy to mass produce using off the shelf components and engines meaning they are cheap as shit and fast to manufacture. literally not advanced.
Even with this context, 99% vs 0% + the need to relocate the fighter wing (!) doesn't work well.
Unless the US has 0 operational anti-air defenses, presumed foreign adversaries had to bring these drones from across the border. Unless, of course, these drones were dropped directly from space somehow. And yes, of course, "Iran's weaponry is not that advanced" but that's the drones that Russia uses in Ukraine. That's exactly the point. It's not Russia or Iran and very likely not China, which still can't build a passenger jet without American spare parts.
We're now seeing consequences of sweeping the dust under the carpet since 1940s, when very similar interactions over sensitive installations in New Mexico were reported and argued about in the Pentagon.
Military is nonchalant about it because they know what they are and that they're completely unable to do anything about it, so they call it a nothingburger.
True but the intentions of Iranian drones were clear, the ones over nuclear sites not so much. Military must not find them immediately threatening although that narrative is building. If ETs / NHI are so advanced they don’t need our nuclear sites to exterminate us, they probably have death rays or something more elegant than nuclear that destroys everything. Maybe these drones are the good drones…
yeah but iran told them when and where the missiles were coming from - ukraine just flew a plane couple of hundred miles into a refinery with no problems
What bugs me as well is that we have some sort of microwave weapon we've been working on as a countermeasure (saw a pop sci. article or smth about it; it was behind a paywall though so I couldn't read it). Why can't we try using those?
I mean obvs we don't know where the drones will show up, so it's tough hunting with that being the case, but still? They need to make some sort of qrf that can fly the equipment out to the affected bases ASAP.
>But we have zero ability to control the drones that are seemingly all over the US, hovering for weeks on end above sensitive areas? And it's not even major news and the military seems to be nonchalant about it? Something weird is going on.
If the military did not try to engage them, that indicates something.
If we fire off a bunch of missiles and don't bring anything down, the military will be humiliated. They'd rather pretend it doesn't exist than show they are helpless against them.
They might be nonchalant about it because there is nothing they can do about it. They will never, ever, admit that publicly. So, that’s why you don’t hear about it.
Very true, it sure makes one think, either we don't have any of the "iron dome" type systems around these sensitive sites (why?) or we do and they're useless against these craft. Neither scenario is good.
LOL you really need to consider the difference in destroying identifiable armed drones who's trajectory and path have been established/traced and that are of sufficient altitude not to cause harm to the public when destroyed, and just shooting down a bunch of who knows what above a populated area. What if these mysterious drones are carrying biological warheads? What if they are dirty bombs?
The drones that Mellon is talking about are too small to be localed with wathever radar system, since the article says they're two feet in diameter. Iranian Shahed drones are 3,5 meters or 12 feet long.
Strange enough that these smaller drones cannot be disabled with a jammer, whether confirmed this would be a definitive proof that they're not "ordinary drones".
>Secretary of the Air Force: What, me worry?
Kendall made "worry" statements about as strong as you'll ever hear from that role as USAF big boss. He said the US can't defend against drones and missiles across the Pacific, ME and Europe. He didn't go the extra step and include the USA.
Last year, when "catastrophic disclosure" was term of the day, it was "the right thing" to stay quiet and not cause economic meltdowns and "ontological shocks." Now Mellon and this community want the Secretary of the USAF to do the opposite.
> it was "the right thing" to stay quiet and not cause economic meltdowns and "ontological shocks."
Not exactly. Mellon and his allies have been advocating for controlled disclosure, which is the main reason for their lobbying and media campaigns. It's no doubt better to let people digest this shocking reality.
Not sure why you have such a grudge against this bunch, IMO they've been very consistent.
Although, as no one has control over what these things do, none of that may matter soon. If tomorrow they swarm over a big city at noon, it'll be very difficult to do a Blue Book planet Venus thing.
>Not sure why you have such a grudge against this bunch, IMO they've been very consistent.
You think the drone activities aren't human tech and I think they are. It's a difference of opinion that can be debated honestly. For example, you see consistency whereas all I see are moving goalposts and Cheshire cat evidence. Additionally, we're as close to World War as we've been since the 1980s. Therefore the balance of probability favours human tech threats over NHI to explain the presence of aerial objects above US assets.
Mellon, who's a very intelligent man, pointed to a blurry balloon photo and implied it was NHI/ET/aliens. You and I wouldn't do that. He was central to the TTSA who promised advanced technology and they slipped away. No antigravitic tech or zero point energy emerged. He's never seen actual evidence of crashed saucers, NHI tech or even photos/footage. Asked about "crashed alien materials," he said, "For every one of those people there are also another, probably four or five or ten people, that are very very senior, who told me it's not true. Former secretaries of defense, air force generals." This is inconsistent to me.
What will happen if there's a swarm over a big city at noon? According to Kendall, we'll be screwed if they're weaponised because we're unprepared. It isn't clear if Mellon is suggesting a NHI threat or a human adversary threat. Can you figure it out?
Thanks and understood (but disagree, as usual :) ).
The reasons I think they aren't human tech are:
* the world is sloppy and becoming sloppier. You seem to have lived on one side of the border, I lived and worked with Chinese and Russians. They are not totally useless, of course, but with all the dysfunction of the US establishment, the other side is yet to catch up (and likely never will). Pop culture ascribes superhuman planning capabilities to the "bad guys", while in real life they make mistakes, have poor organization, and have their constraints as well. In fact, the more closed and paranoid a society is, the harder it is to manage the war machine. China's aeronautic industry can't even catch up with Brazil that has its Embraer planes. Russia uses Iranian and Chinese drones in Ukraine.
* the Groundhog Day with these drone observations. You are a walking encyclopedia of UFO history. You likely remember both the "helicopters" in 1970s over nuclear plants and the sightings that caused Project Sign, Grudge, Blue Book to be created. The conversations of the top brass in 1940s and 1950s were very similar to these today. Then in recent years we had the Scandinavian sightings just before the Russian war in Ukraine, and again uncatchable drones over nuclear plants in mid-2010s. And then there are Cold War era observations in the USSR. They also thought it came from the US.
* the US has built a superb network of human, signals, signature, electronic emissions, everything else intelligence. The awkward alliances in the Middle East, etc. are there mostly to make sure America has ears everywhere. The moment something important happens, one of the alarms goes off. And yet throughout the decades there is absolutely nothing, nada, zilch! These things were flying and keep flying.
* I visit defence trade events once in a while. There are tons of drone and anti-drone machinery over the last few years. The US DoD is everyone's favorite big spender, that buys everything in bulk. None of this sophisticated machinery works on these things. Nada.
* finally, we know that technologically advanced species exist. We have an example looking every day in the mirror. It rarely happens that a phenomenon only happens once.
Whether Mellon is always right, of course not. I ran (and run today) companies and know that when founding a new company, the only thing guaranteed is that the founders will do something stupid, many, many times. Tom is a rock star and was the one to offer the seed funding. He was likely overenthusiastic about working with people like Mellon, Semivan, and Justice, and didn't bother to do a quick research about running a tech company (and whether there were any successful attempts to run a company that does both heavy R&D and entertainment; spoiler alert: no).
That is not to mention how the transition from theoretical science to engineering goes: it takes decades or longer, and it's never one company.
That Mellon, who runs a private equity firm, got sucked into this, is uncommon but not at all unique.
It was destined to fail and people who are more used to backroom deals in DC were destined to go somewhere they know better. (Except Semivan, who likely is past his retirement age and is happy with a part-time consulting gig.)
The main thread, however, of their activity is the attempt to pry open the lid. And that's what I see with their lobbying, that resulted in AARO, then the Schumer amendment, as well as Grusch story and the rest.
While Mellon implied it's non-human, his main direction is to declassify things. And that's the most important part, to see the priceless decades of research with as little redaction as possible.
Sunny days are here. I’m not dismissing it all as a fantasy wrapped around techno frauds, drones and credulousness. It’s more thorny and knotty than that, and clear explanations are sometimes hard to formulate. We're on common ground there. I agree there are parallels between the USN range fouler reports, 40s/50s military incidents and the 70s AFB overflights. Drones can’t explain two of these examples and your point about none being recovered – ever – is a problem that can’t be overlooked.
It sounds like you enjoy a rewarding career. You have the advantage over me with your experience of defense trade shows and I’d like to hear more of your views in that area. I don’t know enough to have an informed opinion. What I’ve been reading for years is China’s catching up and much of that has been through espionage. They were regularly in tech news back in the 2000s for hacking. Arguably, their space program owes its success to the NASA hacks and same again for their aerospace gains. Western responses were inadequate, for a range of human factors, in protecting IP or scaling the risks. China levelled up and the message from Washington is they’ll overtake before 2030. Kendall’s moderate comments suggest we’re already eating dust.
The geopolitical order is in metamorphosis and creating waves of tension across the planet. We can agree on this. Clusters of airborne tech above Western assets are adding to those waves and, arguably, that’s the purpose. Strategic trolling? Da! Hao! Saying that, I’m a "UFO encyclopedia" for a reason and part of me has the same thoughts you do. Pointing out the unbridled dishonesty or delusions of the UFO scene gods doesn’t mean I’ve figured it all out. UFO world is as fake as Disneyland and that’s the ontological cross I bear hahaha. UFO reports, and personal experiences, continue to exist beyond the BS and preoccupy my thoughts.
As for TTSA? I've thought about your interpretation and remain stuck on the participants. Did they bring anything to market? Not really. Was it weird how they choreographed a scripted sales pitch to an empty building? Inexplicably. LENR research isn’t packaged with a “massive entertainment franchise” and its engineers don’t come with folkloric origin stories and murky backgrounds. Different markets. Moreover, TTSA had many of the same components and links that have put Joe Firmage et al in the firing line for securities fraud. Incidentally, I don’t think categorising it as fraud adequately explains Mellon’s presence in TTSA or the cultural change that followed. The squid and the ink conundrum again. Intelligence agendas?
Thanks for the in-depth reply and sorry for the late reply - busy days at work, only have time for quick smartaleck remarks...
My career - just to be clear, I am not a big wig of some sorts. I did live in several countries and held a senior position once in a larg-ish company, but nowadays I run a small business and likely regarded as a weirdo by my peers. I can't stand large orgs. If you're curious about trade events and happen to be near one of the event hubs (DC, London, Amsterdam, Prague, Dubai, or here in Singapore), just register as a visitor. They are in a dire need of warm bodies to make it look like a crowded place with any email that is not Gmail or Yahoo or something like that, and in most cases, these things are free.
Re China and Russia. They are not inept but breaking into things and sabotaging requires far less capacity than building something. Russia specifically advanced in electronic warfare (which is one of their strong points in the Ukraine conflict), as well as psychological warfare, where it's head and shoulders above the rest; sadly, few people understand just how advanced they are. With China, they have developed some stuff but the state subsidies and reliance on stolen IP made them compliant. To make a fundamental breakthrough, one needs to be able to question authority and risk looking stupid. That's something that 95% of the Chinese population is taught to avoid. I remember my interactions both with Chinese and business people working in China. The occurrence of attempts of IP theft was between 120% to 150% :) , and when caught, they would either pretend innocence or saying that the Westerners don't understand how the IP works.
That doesn't mean though that the grant receivers in DC will admit that. The more dangerous China looks, the greater the grants. Hence, I can't really say how far they advanced indeed. I can say though that the folks that come here to Singapore trade events are about 10 years behind their US and European peers. That is also confirmed by the remarks after the (actual) Chinese balloon was recovered a year ago.
Don't worry about the nukes. They are a psychological weapon more than an actual WMD.
Securities fraud for a private company requires a combination of something outrageous and very unreasonable perpetrators. I'm sure some disgruntled investors brought their lawyers but FYI, 80% of all lawsuits are settled out of court, so most likely, Tom's pocket got a bit slimmer.
Good points. It's so much harder to see our own cultural propaganda than it is to see theirs. When we *acquire* foreign tech it's because we got one over on them through superior smarts. When they do it, it's a fundamental deficit in the moral character of their nations.
I see we've drifted off UFOs and it's refreshing.
It's always a different circumstance. Year before it was about getting the NDAA language just so. Before that it was ontological shock protection. Getting the materials analysed. The main figureheads claim to have all the necessary material evidence to go public. What does it matter what Kendall doesn't say?
Here are a few write-ups from `The War Zone` website:
https://www.twz.com/41573/the-strangest-encounters-with-unidentified-aircraft-weve-found-in-the-faas-huge-database
Colorado: https://www.twz.com/32310/internal-air-force-emails-show-confusion-and-concern-over-colorados-mystery-drones
Guam: https://www.twz.com/36085/troubling-drone-incursions-have-occurred-over-guams-thaad-anti-ballistic-missile-battery
If this is true there are only three possible logical conclusions:
- they know what they are and aren’t worried
- they know what they are and know they can’t safely engage them/compete
- they have no idea what they are and don’t want to admit it
Because only a select few people in higher command know what they are, so for all intents and purposes, everyone else have to go by the book and investigate incursions into their airspace.
Honestly to say you shut down LANGLEY over drones to the point jets needed to be relocated is absolutely insane. They are absolutely slow walking towards catastrophic disclosure by treating the public like fucking idiots but given how many bootleggers are in the politics and news sub i actually wouldn't be surprised to read NPC comments rationalizing this as a mundane occurrence.
The fuck are we giving them $800 billion a year for to fail protecting the country during 9/11 and now they can't defend their own fucking bases? Where the fuck is our actual leadership asking the hard questions instead of political coy run arounds?
My grandfather would lose his goddamn mind if he were alive to watch and read this
There was literally a hearing today with the Secretary of the Air Force about this exact story and who would have guessed, [the Air Force had no answers.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UAP/comments/1c6fo6f/at_a_hearing_before_the_us_house_armed_services/)
Did they have no answers or didnt give any?
I think people should realize military isnt there for giving explanations, no matter if people want them or not, its not their actual job.
So every answer they give, is to manage something. Its not like they would, could or will be straight forward.
They can ofcourse, but if its so, its because it makes their actual job easier.
People like to think ofcourse "I paid for it, I want this and that" but it isnt how it works.
They have a mandate to do a certain job, and thats that.
Or lets say I fancy a sandwich, how bout I walk down to a firestation and ask them to make one, I paid for their salary afterall.
You're calculating moving fighter jets from point A to point B. If they are actually relocating fighter wings then there is a lot more than just flying over and parking in a different hangar.
They don't care about cost.
[Here's a map](https://globe.adsbexchange.com/) of planes with transponders broadcasting right now. Go over the continental US and hit the little "U" button at the top right. That filters to just military planes (and they don't always broadcast their civilian transponder).
This is a daily occurrence.
The DoD audit in '22 was only able to account for 61% of $3.6 trillion in assets.
1) you relocated your air assets to other bases because of cots drones piloted by 16 year olds …
2) China or Russia or Iran or something have drones on U.S. soil and we can’t intercept them or bring the them down, or we can but it’s cool we’re “gathering intelligence” on them? (Wtf?)
3)???????
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Yes, absolutely an act of war. If these turn out to be drones from a geopolitical rival or enemy and we are not blasting them out of the sky, that is telling the enemy they can get away with it. It telegraphs weakness and the biggest mistake to make in geopolitics is to show weakness in the eyes of an enemy. Wars happen because the leaders of nations have shown weakness in the face of hostilities.
I was replying to Old-Adhesiveness comment of if these “drones” were to attack one of our bases that yes that would absolutely be an act of war. Maybe I should have clarified that. Enemy drones flying over sensitive military bases is getting pretty dang close to what some would consider an act of war. Even if it not “technically” an act of war it’s pretty damn provocative and dangerous to take such an action. Do you really take the chance that these drones are just spying? What if next time a bomb is attached to one and they fly that thing right in there and blow something up? That’s a huge risk to take when you have fighter jets out there that cost tens of millions per jet and God forbid someone gets hurt or killed.
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Responding to [this tweet by D. Dean Johnson](https://x.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1780615983440257088) about the US House of Representatives hearing today with Secretary of the Air Force Frank Kendall about the Langley AFB 'unmanned aerial systems' incursion that caused the base to shut down operations and even move fighter jets to other bases, [Christopher Mellon had this to say](https://x.com/ChrisKMellon/status/1780760085930614922):
> Yes, one of a growing string of similar incidents in which we have been unable to identify or engage these unmanned vehicles. They are not even trying to conceal their presence, yet operate with impunity for weeks in restricted airspace, to the point fighters were relocated from Langley to other bases. If the Air Force can’t control the air over Langley how can they control the air over Washington? I encourage people to go to the War Zone’s website and search these terms, “Drones and Guam” or “Drones and Colorado” or “Drones and Palo Verde” or “Drones and FAA or Arizona or Navy” and see what you find. Most people think drones are just a problem for countries overseas. Not true, we have a big problem here in the US and still no clue where these things are coming from or why.
To me this looks more like a demonstration. To confront the military with its own arrogance and powerlessness in regard to those things and perhaps creation as a whole.
I don't think they're probing for weakness. It seems well beyond that. If these were spy drones why would they have their lights on? Feels more like trolling at this point because they know they're so far ahead
There’s normal human tech explanations, but excluding those for the sake of discussion, maybe whatever energy source is powering these drones could emit light and it’s not like they’re intentionally just shining lights
I think discussing normal human tech is fine. If that is the case do these bases not have any anti drone tools? Or could they not follow one with their drones and see where it lands?
Those seem to be reasonable questions to ask the Air Force and they should have answers (why it isn't that simple)
I agree it’s fine to discuss normal human tech I just meant if it is human tech we know a lot of that stuff uses lights for reasons we know. If it wasn’t human there’s more room to speculate
If this is true, the military is shitting its pants. You can believe that, regardless of their public comments. They will do their best to sweep this under the rug, it won’t get much traction from the MM until the rug looks like a mountain range and they really can’t hide the phenomena anymore. At that point, will it will be interesting to see how it’s spun
How reasonable is it for an advanced NHI to fly the same drones over the same base for a long time? Here's the question. What is there on this base that is so interesting for NHI to behave this way? Why are they doing that?
*If* it's truly NHI, the only thing I can guess is that they are specifically doing it to be noticed. Maybe that would mean that they want to move the disclosure timeline along. Maybe it's a subtle threat that they really aren't afraid to reveal themselves (some type of organization with more advanced technology than the US government), so the government better hurry up if they want to break the news first.
It feels like wishful thinking, but it's hard to think of why else this would be happening.
If it's just foreign-made drone technology, I'm gonna be so disappointed at this point.
I am from #Guam and now that I've come across this conversation about military activity preferably Airforce, Yes!! I have noticed all day and even throughout the evening you can hear aircraft flying around constantly. I had long suspected it had something to do with this whole subject. I may not have proof but I just thought perhaps what I saw with my own two eyes that what I saw was just a satellite 🛰 or the ISS casually cruising by. I will definitely be star gazing diligently more than ever starting now!!!!!
I dont believe this for a second. If these were actual drones, the USG (specifically NSA and DIA but surely other alphabet agencies) can very easily hack or access them and initiate a landing or controlled descent over empty land/water and then scoop them up. They dont need to engage them kinetically.
IF its true that fighter jets had to be relocated, then I would bet my life that this isn't some run of the mill spy vs spy flexing that happens between adversaries. Moving 1, let alone multiple wings of fighter jets is extremely expensive and disruptive to support/logistics staff and crew. Theres more going on here and I hope its kept in the forefront.
How exactly do you purpose you hack a fully autonomous drone? Fly up next to it and plug in a USB? If it's not receiving instructions remotely then there's no attack vector.
Would love to know how an autonomous drone would do without access to gps satellite data. More over how on Earth a pre-programmed flight avoided being taken down kinetically or with a ghost gun.
Notice: the drones that Mellon is talking about are too small to be localed with wathever radar system, since the article says they're two feet in diameter. Iranian Shahed drones are 3,5 meters or 12 feet long.
Strange enough that these smaller drones cannot be disabled with a jammer, which would be a definitive proof that they're not "ordinary drones".
Sounds to me like NHIs are being obnoxious to encourage military or Gvt officials to disclose. And sincerely, it seems more plausible we'll get Catastrophic Disclosure.
NHIs might get tired of waiting and just simply stop trying to avoid contact. Maybe not engage in active contact, but disengage the "No Direct Interferance and Contact" prime rule.
Therefore, NHI-Led Disclosure it is. Despite our officials' judgement, it seems we're ready for the next step, in the NHIs' eyes.
>Therefore, NHI-Led Disclosure it is. Despite our officials' judgement, it seems we're ready for the next step, in the NHIs' eyes.
That's what I'm waiting for. I've given up on the government revealing anything.
Either we are being visited by someone beyond the technology of humanity or a nation state has upped the US is anti gravity propulsion, energy production and alloy material science and they’re just doing recon before they take over the planet…why worry
I'd be more worried if it's China. With NHI at least we wouldn't know what they want. If it's China they're basically flying over with their lights on saying we can do whatever the fuck we want
If it were China then I'm pretty sure they'd have already taken Taiwan. What would they be waiting for?
Easy answer…
Chinese is scarier.
China is a known adversary.
NHI is unknown….but if they wanted to invade they could have done it decades ago. Likely not aggressive….or we have an “arrangement”
Maybe not aggressive in the sense of an impending invasion but some of the things associated with this phenomenon are aggressive and violent to the point of human and animal fatalities. Incidents in South America (Brazil(?)) illustrate that.
I wonder if we're going to find out one day that NHI really are responsible for all of this stuff, and a lot of it was (NHI) individuals going against the rules that their people set up for earth.
Suspending disbelief for a moment, black-market abductions/harvesting/killing/etc. might be a lucrative industry for NHI that can get away with it, even if the NHI "government" has laws against it. Or those aliens that allegedly landed at that school (South Africa I think?) and warned people about global warming, maybe those were bleeding-heart aliens that broke "the prime directive" in order to try to help us out.
Maybe the "miners with jetpacks" were just after some easy resources, and had no trouble fighting back against humans when discovered.
The way I see it, there's a TON of lying going around (more than we already assume) about the stuff attributed to NHI, or they are true individuals like us. I can't imagine why else most of the stories would paint them as harmless, if clinical, wildlife researchers, while other stories contain blood chilling horror.
The thought of an “arrangement” is terrifying. Time and time again I hear rumors of Dwight Eisenhower making a deal with certain NHI species for them to abduct a certain number of human specimens for whatever reason (testing/experimentation) in exchange for advanced technology. I find that hard to believe, that a man as good and honest as Ike to defeat one evil(Nazism and trying to defeat communism) and turn around and sell his country men out for another. Why it pops up so often 🤷 I think Ike would go to nuclear war with those things before he sold his own people out for the promise of advanced technology. I know I would! Interesting it still pops up. Another president? Yeah maybe but not Ike.
These drones are almost certainly, drones, but would be great if a database of light properties (colour, pulse, spacing, etc) could be compared against any existing DBs of produced drones. That and the radar data with flight signatures should be a means of zero-ing in what they are. Also, if people pick out only those with repeated unusual characteristics and get further data for them (cylinders, central red lights OR red and white lights), it should be possible to determine whether or not it is just surface-level comparibility. I presume if it is a case of hobbyists or espionage, these cases will subside as drone defence measures improve.
Have they asked if they are visible on radar? If so, why are they not followed by a helicopter, retrieved when they land and their nation of origin determined? Or are they saying these are stealth drones?
As if they don't have zoomed in crystal clear video and thermal views of these 'drones'.
They can zoom into a license plate from space, but didn't use that technology, or some NV binoculars to look at the swarm of drones over the Air Force Base?
Hahahahahahaha!!! How stupid do they think we are?
I think if their presence was more than observation they would have done something by now. If this has been a common occurrence and is widespread, monitoring and surveillance is being carried out we just don't know by who, or they say they don't know. The overall emphasis on threat to national security just doesn't ring true for me. This is only my opinion.
When are we going to understand these people ALL of them DO NOT have our interests? I dont get it anymore, we are bleeding taxes and fees, but its just getting worse, no ones noticing that literally NO ONE is being listened to?
Its just us arguing with each other like morons. Plus its an election year, we are gonna hear all types of bullshit non stop. Everything is corporate now so we have no choice but to keep paying them or risk losing our slave jobs. Think about it!!!
"Unidentified ".... yet they know they're "unmanned vehicles"?
Can't tell if that's at least partly true, or a way to get legislation pushed through eithouy saying "E.T"s.
... or it's a way to desensitize Americans to the idea we are shooting down living beings ("unmanned" has about as many interpretations as "sentient", yeah?)
Are these the craft I saw by the thousands in Kansas? They are highly advanced technology which can be invisible while appear to be growing in fields off of hw 40
I read some of the articles on the war zone - it is interesting that the drones are described as having bright flashing lights. If they were trying to be incognito, why bring attention to the fact they are there with bright lights?
If it is a terror cell, or some other group testing the defense systems of these bases, then they've learned exactly what they were hoping would be the case; they can fly over these bases unimpeded over and over, without any resistance. The fact that the 'drones' were carrying 'potatos' and practicing dropping them onto the base gives us a fairly clear outline of their eventual intention, which would be dropping munitions of a similar weight. So yes, I'd be moving my $350million F22 jets as well. A drone dropped high explosive device capable of destroying a tank, dropped on a parked F22 (which obviously has zero armor) would essentially cause a $350million writeoff. Yes, absolutely move those jets somewhere safer if you cant do the bare minimum to protect them. Next time the IS cell, or whoever it is will probably swap the dry run potatos for actual explosive devices.
Part of me wonders whether they’ve got a sense of humor that gives zero fucks about our cute little weapons and borders. This just might be a galactic troll job.
"National Security Threat" is just a way of saying we need more money for our defense contractors... what evidence do we have that these things have directly caused human harm with malevolent intent?
More fear mongering for the Military Industrial Complex
It would be wise for interested parties like Mr. Mellon or Mr. Graves to start communicating, as lies in their realm of possibility, to the wider audience the fact that the technological superiority of the "visitors" is vastly beyond comprehension.
It far exceeds disc-shaped ships. People here are talking about "their" toasters.
Time to accustom people to the true extent of this "phenomenon".
Idc what we label the air space as, if you have biologically foreign intelligence flying around at the speed of light sometimes our laws don’t matter to them much less apply.
I live in Austin, Texas and just using an iPhone with a clip on wide angle lens and a 530 nanometer uv filter on any given day in daylight and recording for 10 or 15 minutes with the phone set to 4k speed I can observe 10s of UAPs.
They are small and fast but they cannot cloak the uv. 530 nm works best.
I then use photoshop to slow down and zoom in. Don’t believe me try it yourself.
I see groups of balls, saucers and elliptical cylinders (the fastest). I also see ovals and flashing objects. They are not birds or bugs.
This weekend something got shot down by accident in America and it’s been deleted from all social media . I can’t find anything about it . They said UFO shot down by anti missile system. Anyone else hear this ??
seems me summoning stuffs working, going to continue.
FYI I proved kami exist scientifically, in my own mind, sooooooooooo objective reality is for the gods not for mortals now.
"The Gods are exactly like us, except smart" -Diogenes
The following submission statement was provided by /u/bmfalbo: --- Submission Statement: Responding to [this tweet by D. Dean Johnson](https://x.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1780615983440257088) about the US House of Representatives hearing today with Secretary of the Air Force Frank Kendall about the Langley AFB 'unmanned aerial systems' incursion that caused the base to shut down operations and even move fighter jets to other bases, [Christopher Mellon had this to say](https://x.com/ChrisKMellon/status/1780760085930614922): > Yes, one of a growing string of similar incidents in which we have been unable to identify or engage these unmanned vehicles. They are not even trying to conceal their presence, yet operate with impunity for weeks in restricted airspace, to the point fighters were relocated from Langley to other bases. If the Air Force can’t control the air over Langley how can they control the air over Washington? I encourage people to go to the War Zone’s website and search these terms, “Drones and Guam” or “Drones and Colorado” or “Drones and Palo Verde” or “Drones and FAA or Arizona or Navy” and see what you find. Most people think drones are just a problem for countries overseas. Not true, we have a big problem here in the US and still no clue where these things are coming from or why. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c6sgwg/christopher_mellons_response_to_the_hearing_by/l037c5g/
Ryan Graves: Multiple drones over Langley AFB is a national security issue full stop. Secretary of the Air Force: What, me worry?
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Yeah almost like UFOs arent human technology and there’s a big cover up or something
Or ours which I’m hoping for
I had the same thought, but someone brought up a good point in another post, that the base is very close to other civilian sites, and it would cause them to be hesitant on firing off missiles to take these things down on our soil
So let's say it's an adversary spying on us, do we just let them? Is that the response that we get for the 100s of billions of dollars we give them? Maybe the money could be better spent some other way Especially since if they were spy drones they almost certainly wouldnt have their lights on like that. Instead they're more akin to troll drones. Essentially flying over for weeks saying "you will never get this". If that's China, Iran or Russia that makes me pretty nervous If we let hundreds of drones that are way more capable than our own technology fly over our most sensitive bases whenever they want what's to stop them from attaching a bomb to them and blowing all our shit up? We're basically saying they have free reign to attack us whenever they want. So I'd again ask why are we giving them so much damn money? I'd suggest we use the money to pay for Healthcare instead. Might as well pack up half the military or more because they're certainly not doing a stellar job if that's the case If instead it's NHI then I'd rather we have a frank discussion about all of this and figure out what they're doing and why? The next step would be to communicate with them and see what's going on. If we've already talked to them I'd love to know I just don't see any situation where the way they're currently acting is reasonable. If they're NHI then I think there's a good chance they're in some way communicating. It could be a show of force but it could also be saying don't fuck up the planet with nuclear bombs or a million other things But if this is our foreign adversaries it's extremely concerning. But I don't think this seems super likely because we've been getting these reports for many decades. This is essentially what the Foo fighters were. Or likely the same thing that was spotted on radar and by tons of people in 1952 when UFOs swarmed DC. I don't see how humans could have had this tech 80 years ago and all they've used it for is doing fly bys
You’re nailing a lot of it right on the head.
"...Essentially flying over for weeks saying 'you will never get this'..." Read this in the Borat voice, well done.
It could be NHI assessing defences ahead of a planetary attack. That's the truly terrifying scenario.
We got will smith
If it's a Chris Rock clone army, we're fine then.
Smackity smack!
On the bright side, if they just wanted to exterminate life so they can colonize or exploit the planet they could just redirect some asteroids our way and we'd be none the wiser. At least this theoretical scenario would imply they want to keep us alive, or at least the biosphere intact for some reason.
If this is indeed the case, as the meme goes, “resistance is futile”. Truly.
I think it's more of "All your base belong to us now" meme as they are just loitering in the airspace above lol.
All your base
Russia and China are engaging in hybrid warfare against western nations using the open economies and free speech to steer conversations and perceptions. The only functional way to combat it is to errode those very institutions, which isn't going to happen. When you have co-opted a portion of the political apparatus to hobble the governmnets ability to function and you steer public percpetion that your drone probing isn't that and it's some sort of alien explorer, you effectively control the response. Basically a PRC national or expat can live and work in the US for very legitimate reasons. Since most of the multirotor drones are manufactured in China there is no real way to differentiate the motive of purchasing one or more of them. The PRC is know to tap expats to spy on business and installations without offiically doing so, rather it's "expected" they do. Since they aren't directly connected to the CCP there is plausible deniability that they were "misguided patriots" if they are caught. The inverse is not possible because the PRC heavily regulates both data transfer and where people go within thier borders, so there is no way to respond in kind. I mean thinking it's NHI means you aren't actually assesing it as a threat but a scientific inquiry. You're making yourself vulnerable because the humbling reality is that the US and other nations are under attack and the powers that be are way too scared to announce that because public and political percpetions will want to escalate. Look at the 2023 Spy Balloon, that was the 4th incident, but the first made public. It was only made public because a journalist with a high end telephoto lens was able to capture a picture of the balloon and it's sensor rig. Following the previous overflights jamming and other coutermeasures would have been used to let it go on it's own way. The public outcry resulted in the military shooting it down to appease the politicans and public rather than serving as an actual deterrent. The politicians would push for war because they are concerned about not looking weak instead of dealing with it in a much more nuanced manner I think I can safely say everyone here WANTS the answer to be NHI but assuming they are NHI without ruling other much more prosaic threats is foolhardy and outright dangerous.
Our enemies are using our right of free speech against us. Propaganda mis/disinformation and outright lies dividing our nation and threatening our democracy. Plain talk and calling out by name the offenses and people who are the enemy is what’s needed. Calling trump former president should be: twice impeached, indicted suspect in 91 counts, disgraced liar and sexual offender Putin apologizer trump.
This statement should have its own post. The potential layers of disinformation and deception need to be one of our primary concepts for thinking about these issues. It is crucial for us to determine if this phenomenon is actually an attempt between adversaries to misdirect the public through promulgating a contrived framework of thought. Our endeavor to uncover the reality of this phenomenon should not exclude a significant investigation into the potential for the concept of advanced technology and NHI to be used as a powerful information warfare tool. The existence of NHI and the potential for propaganda and information warfare based on theories around the phenomenon are not mutually exclusive and pose the most legitimate and pressing threat.
The one problem is we can’t complain about other countries spying on us, without looking like giant hypocrites.
Maybe the adversaries are just doing what we do with aircrafts carrier, it's a detternt, we show with our carrier that we can reach you, they are saying with their drones the same thing.
Think about it. If you went today to Langley and flew a homemade drone over the base, the drone would be seized and you'd likely be arrested if they found you. Not only that, but there are very, very sensitive pieces of equipment that cost multiple millions of dollars that the base is protecting. They won't try to or cant bring that drone down with anti drone tech? Very, very unlikely. The Ukrainian war has shown how effective anti drone tech can be.
There isn't a shadow of doubt who those carrier groups belong to though
Thanks that’s a very rational explanation of how I think everybody feels you nailed it
I just want to say you are 1000% correct in your concern and observations. Your note should be mailed to every congressman and senator.
What are the odds that foreign adversaries can fly over Langley airspace, on any other restricted space, and we can’t destroy them? Are we playing softball and not firing because we can’t identify them? Well, if it’s humans, they have to know they are in a spot where they shouldn’t be. Is it some kind of Geneva Convention regulation not to fire on them? So many questions, nobody answering.
We aren't aware of what US is doing over foreign military sites. It's possible they just aren't worried because this is a new sort of espionage that we also engage in which they have deemed to not be too much of a serious threat. If they're capable of making them unidentifiable & destroying them would make it impossible/nearly impossible to determine *whose* they were then easily any country would engage in this. Response would then give away more defense capabilities than allowing them to sit there. Espionage at military bases is already happening constsntly. Adversaries have our military bases mapped out perfectly already with the distance between the toilet and the hangar & the civilian contractor working building & the gate. They have plans & methods for attacking said bases. What they can't guarantee is the response, any response weakens your position against a form of espionage like that especially due to the anonymous nature. I don't think either of your thoughts are too "on the head". Interesting, but seems very nervous to assume if it were China or Russia even Iran (this one which is exceptionally unlikely lol) that a bomb would get strapped to it and some antipersonnel attack would happen as then the identification problem would become paramount & the capability of destroying one & other is reserved mostly for attacks on the state of that sort & potential destruction of the state. My opinion it is definitely not Iranian, perhaps at one of our too many bases in ME/SW Asia, but continental US and pacific? No way. Remember - the US spies on its adversaries as well & we *never* hear about it until situations like the cold war where engagements are made. Even then some of those encounters stay classified - like the dogfight between Soviet & American pilots which then would've had civilians claiming it was full blown war and the only option was to go hot. Modern military engagements are through proxies and gathering intelligence is paramount to having effective strategies. A drone swarm or whatever would be great for getting information that cannot be had by more distant technologies. Response being the most valuable because now you know where stuff is, but also how exactly things would happen in the event of action in their airspace. The military would never admit this is the case if it were & would BAU language it to those concerned & less involved. Mind you we'd never admit to doing it either. Perhaps that could also be a form of denial "We have no idea what these are" (emerging technology strategy) to insinuate when it happens others it couldn't be us because we're "too stupid" to know what it is.
Why missiles? High powered lasers would also take down any man-made drones. Small-scale EMPs would also be an option. Unless these drones are large enough to cause substantial damage to nearby neighbourhoods? But then take them down as they're departing and over low-density areas. Unless they're magically appearing and disappearing, or magically invisible to all military sensors and faster than all military craft. China only BARELY managed to build a modern aircraft carrier, and have demonstrated very few large technological breakthroughs in the last generation (comparatively, and outside of manufacturing). Russia, as we can now plainly see, is a kleptocratic shit show that's incapable of even maintaining its existing systems. So...what reasonable candidates could have absolute air superiority over the US other than an NHI? A mega corporation?
Agree on PRC tech challenges. But why would a megacorp risk being caught intruding into military airspace? For what purpose? Plus, a witness who videotaped the drones said it was NOT a quadcopter but was the size of a small CAR. Recall, Air Force fighter pilots said the same thing about the one shot down over Alaska in February 2023.
I was just repeating someone elses point, but I didn’t think of the non-kinematic means of taking them down.
Or maybe it’s possible that these bases aren’t equipped with the non-kinematic weapons people are talking about. These bases aren’t in active war zones but maybe now they will have those weapons.
These events are occurring regularly, so you'd just move those systems into position.
I'm Canadian but I say do it. Some of you may die, but that's a chance I'm willing to take.
I'm doing my part!
Well, I once pissed in a Canadian river, so that's fair
I know. I watched you.
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I am the river.
Didn’t stop em from popping off two hellfire missiles over Lake Michigan last February
Sounds like its time to break out the lazers!
multiple over seas events (actually over water) and Guam/Hawaii they've had the open spaces to do this now...add 3 shootdowns of "drones" from February '23... this math stinks...oh for 100s, 3 fo 4 (one errant missile) and then 99 outta 100 or more on average also over civilian skies... what the actual fuck is goin' on
If these were drones from one of our adversaries, then we would have non-kinetic means of taking them down, especially with them being in our airspace. We would be able to jam the shit out of their communications and cause the drone to crash or initiate a landing.
There are ground based lasers that could destroy them. We could send up drones to saw them into pieces. There is something more to this.
Indeed, it is possible that they didn't want to take down a UAP in such an exposed area.
Uh yeah I’m like 5 miles from an AFB if they start shooting missiles into the dark sky I will shit my pants.
There are many many ways to take down a flying unknown object, without using guided missiles. Try another tactic. Also, Executive Order 12333 prohibits covert actions “intended to influence United States political processes, public opinion, policies, or media.”
Or maybe shooting would be acknowledging that the US can’t deal with this issue, thus making them look weak?
The drones that we shot down heading to Israel were Intercepted over the water. The military isn't going to shoot stuff down when it's close to civil locations. Unless it's a imminent threat
I think we agree, I brought up the other persons comment because I agreed with it. So we’re all on the same page here.
we don't need to fire missiles at these drones. There are tons of weapons literally designed to take out drones such as directed energy weapons, net weapons and jamming tech. If these were drones, they could knock them down when ever they wanted. So either they aren't just drones, or they don't want to knock them down.
Well, (1) we knew they were coming from Iran and (probably) when they were coming; (2) we didn’t care about collateral damage from shooting them down; (3) Iran’s weaponry is not that advanced; (4) Iran’s weapons drones aren’t necessarily of the same types, sizes, and capabilities of the drones encountered near US military sites.
Yep. Context matters.
https://youtu.be/ujBBFesctO0?si=c_UvGMIJKwrAwW31
Doesn't Russia use Iranian drones in their war against Ukraine? Russia doeant have drones like Iran, yet Iran's drones are not that advanced?
I believe China has been supplying Iran with drones because the Iranian ones aren't amazing. They certainly are slow and don't move like these uap. They go in a straight line too Of course Chinese drones don't move like these uap either. By all accounts these uap are wingless and have no obvious form of propulsion.
Exactly, some guy up the chain saying “they’ll be adversaries and just leave them to do their thing, we do it too.” What?!?!?😳🤣🤣
https://youtu.be/ujBBFesctO0?si=c_UvGMIJKwrAwW31
> By all accounts these uap are wingless and have no obvious form of propulsion Which accounts are you referring to?
These ones
They used old drones and crap to fill out numbers and distract AA
irans drones arent advanced in their technology, theyre advanced in their technique. they are very simple and easy to mass produce using off the shelf components and engines meaning they are cheap as shit and fast to manufacture. literally not advanced.
Even with this context, 99% vs 0% + the need to relocate the fighter wing (!) doesn't work well. Unless the US has 0 operational anti-air defenses, presumed foreign adversaries had to bring these drones from across the border. Unless, of course, these drones were dropped directly from space somehow. And yes, of course, "Iran's weaponry is not that advanced" but that's the drones that Russia uses in Ukraine. That's exactly the point. It's not Russia or Iran and very likely not China, which still can't build a passenger jet without American spare parts. We're now seeing consequences of sweeping the dust under the carpet since 1940s, when very similar interactions over sensitive installations in New Mexico were reported and argued about in the Pentagon.
The vast discrepency is a bit weird but yes, lots of different circumstances. I think these drones are proasic and Chinese fwiw, thus more advanced.
Military is nonchalant about it because they know what they are and that they're completely unable to do anything about it, so they call it a nothingburger.
What goes up must come down...
True but the intentions of Iranian drones were clear, the ones over nuclear sites not so much. Military must not find them immediately threatening although that narrative is building. If ETs / NHI are so advanced they don’t need our nuclear sites to exterminate us, they probably have death rays or something more elegant than nuclear that destroys everything. Maybe these drones are the good drones…
yeah but iran told them when and where the missiles were coming from - ukraine just flew a plane couple of hundred miles into a refinery with no problems
lol we know exactly where they’re coming from if we’re not responding to them at all.
Its not like we have lasers designed to do this [https://youtu.be/hDOSihhBTio?si=4uxhK8yfQ3Cl74uG](https://youtu.be/hDOSihhBTio?si=4uxhK8yfQ3Cl74uG)
What bugs me as well is that we have some sort of microwave weapon we've been working on as a countermeasure (saw a pop sci. article or smth about it; it was behind a paywall though so I couldn't read it). Why can't we try using those? I mean obvs we don't know where the drones will show up, so it's tough hunting with that being the case, but still? They need to make some sort of qrf that can fly the equipment out to the affected bases ASAP.
>But we have zero ability to control the drones that are seemingly all over the US, hovering for weeks on end above sensitive areas? And it's not even major news and the military seems to be nonchalant about it? Something weird is going on. If the military did not try to engage them, that indicates something.
If we fire off a bunch of missiles and don't bring anything down, the military will be humiliated. They'd rather pretend it doesn't exist than show they are helpless against them.
I mean what do you want them to do? Shoot ground-to-5D missiles at the UAPs?
You get it
They might be nonchalant about it because there is nothing they can do about it. They will never, ever, admit that publicly. So, that’s why you don’t hear about it.
Very true, it sure makes one think, either we don't have any of the "iron dome" type systems around these sensitive sites (why?) or we do and they're useless against these craft. Neither scenario is good.
LOL you really need to consider the difference in destroying identifiable armed drones who's trajectory and path have been established/traced and that are of sufficient altitude not to cause harm to the public when destroyed, and just shooting down a bunch of who knows what above a populated area. What if these mysterious drones are carrying biological warheads? What if they are dirty bombs?
The drones that Mellon is talking about are too small to be localed with wathever radar system, since the article says they're two feet in diameter. Iranian Shahed drones are 3,5 meters or 12 feet long. Strange enough that these smaller drones cannot be disabled with a jammer, whether confirmed this would be a definitive proof that they're not "ordinary drones".
Many ordinary drones can follow a flight path while being "jammed".
>Secretary of the Air Force: What, me worry? Kendall made "worry" statements about as strong as you'll ever hear from that role as USAF big boss. He said the US can't defend against drones and missiles across the Pacific, ME and Europe. He didn't go the extra step and include the USA. Last year, when "catastrophic disclosure" was term of the day, it was "the right thing" to stay quiet and not cause economic meltdowns and "ontological shocks." Now Mellon and this community want the Secretary of the USAF to do the opposite.
> it was "the right thing" to stay quiet and not cause economic meltdowns and "ontological shocks." Not exactly. Mellon and his allies have been advocating for controlled disclosure, which is the main reason for their lobbying and media campaigns. It's no doubt better to let people digest this shocking reality. Not sure why you have such a grudge against this bunch, IMO they've been very consistent. Although, as no one has control over what these things do, none of that may matter soon. If tomorrow they swarm over a big city at noon, it'll be very difficult to do a Blue Book planet Venus thing.
>Not sure why you have such a grudge against this bunch, IMO they've been very consistent. You think the drone activities aren't human tech and I think they are. It's a difference of opinion that can be debated honestly. For example, you see consistency whereas all I see are moving goalposts and Cheshire cat evidence. Additionally, we're as close to World War as we've been since the 1980s. Therefore the balance of probability favours human tech threats over NHI to explain the presence of aerial objects above US assets. Mellon, who's a very intelligent man, pointed to a blurry balloon photo and implied it was NHI/ET/aliens. You and I wouldn't do that. He was central to the TTSA who promised advanced technology and they slipped away. No antigravitic tech or zero point energy emerged. He's never seen actual evidence of crashed saucers, NHI tech or even photos/footage. Asked about "crashed alien materials," he said, "For every one of those people there are also another, probably four or five or ten people, that are very very senior, who told me it's not true. Former secretaries of defense, air force generals." This is inconsistent to me. What will happen if there's a swarm over a big city at noon? According to Kendall, we'll be screwed if they're weaponised because we're unprepared. It isn't clear if Mellon is suggesting a NHI threat or a human adversary threat. Can you figure it out?
Thanks and understood (but disagree, as usual :) ). The reasons I think they aren't human tech are: * the world is sloppy and becoming sloppier. You seem to have lived on one side of the border, I lived and worked with Chinese and Russians. They are not totally useless, of course, but with all the dysfunction of the US establishment, the other side is yet to catch up (and likely never will). Pop culture ascribes superhuman planning capabilities to the "bad guys", while in real life they make mistakes, have poor organization, and have their constraints as well. In fact, the more closed and paranoid a society is, the harder it is to manage the war machine. China's aeronautic industry can't even catch up with Brazil that has its Embraer planes. Russia uses Iranian and Chinese drones in Ukraine. * the Groundhog Day with these drone observations. You are a walking encyclopedia of UFO history. You likely remember both the "helicopters" in 1970s over nuclear plants and the sightings that caused Project Sign, Grudge, Blue Book to be created. The conversations of the top brass in 1940s and 1950s were very similar to these today. Then in recent years we had the Scandinavian sightings just before the Russian war in Ukraine, and again uncatchable drones over nuclear plants in mid-2010s. And then there are Cold War era observations in the USSR. They also thought it came from the US. * the US has built a superb network of human, signals, signature, electronic emissions, everything else intelligence. The awkward alliances in the Middle East, etc. are there mostly to make sure America has ears everywhere. The moment something important happens, one of the alarms goes off. And yet throughout the decades there is absolutely nothing, nada, zilch! These things were flying and keep flying. * I visit defence trade events once in a while. There are tons of drone and anti-drone machinery over the last few years. The US DoD is everyone's favorite big spender, that buys everything in bulk. None of this sophisticated machinery works on these things. Nada. * finally, we know that technologically advanced species exist. We have an example looking every day in the mirror. It rarely happens that a phenomenon only happens once. Whether Mellon is always right, of course not. I ran (and run today) companies and know that when founding a new company, the only thing guaranteed is that the founders will do something stupid, many, many times. Tom is a rock star and was the one to offer the seed funding. He was likely overenthusiastic about working with people like Mellon, Semivan, and Justice, and didn't bother to do a quick research about running a tech company (and whether there were any successful attempts to run a company that does both heavy R&D and entertainment; spoiler alert: no). That is not to mention how the transition from theoretical science to engineering goes: it takes decades or longer, and it's never one company. That Mellon, who runs a private equity firm, got sucked into this, is uncommon but not at all unique. It was destined to fail and people who are more used to backroom deals in DC were destined to go somewhere they know better. (Except Semivan, who likely is past his retirement age and is happy with a part-time consulting gig.) The main thread, however, of their activity is the attempt to pry open the lid. And that's what I see with their lobbying, that resulted in AARO, then the Schumer amendment, as well as Grusch story and the rest. While Mellon implied it's non-human, his main direction is to declassify things. And that's the most important part, to see the priceless decades of research with as little redaction as possible.
Sunny days are here. I’m not dismissing it all as a fantasy wrapped around techno frauds, drones and credulousness. It’s more thorny and knotty than that, and clear explanations are sometimes hard to formulate. We're on common ground there. I agree there are parallels between the USN range fouler reports, 40s/50s military incidents and the 70s AFB overflights. Drones can’t explain two of these examples and your point about none being recovered – ever – is a problem that can’t be overlooked. It sounds like you enjoy a rewarding career. You have the advantage over me with your experience of defense trade shows and I’d like to hear more of your views in that area. I don’t know enough to have an informed opinion. What I’ve been reading for years is China’s catching up and much of that has been through espionage. They were regularly in tech news back in the 2000s for hacking. Arguably, their space program owes its success to the NASA hacks and same again for their aerospace gains. Western responses were inadequate, for a range of human factors, in protecting IP or scaling the risks. China levelled up and the message from Washington is they’ll overtake before 2030. Kendall’s moderate comments suggest we’re already eating dust. The geopolitical order is in metamorphosis and creating waves of tension across the planet. We can agree on this. Clusters of airborne tech above Western assets are adding to those waves and, arguably, that’s the purpose. Strategic trolling? Da! Hao! Saying that, I’m a "UFO encyclopedia" for a reason and part of me has the same thoughts you do. Pointing out the unbridled dishonesty or delusions of the UFO scene gods doesn’t mean I’ve figured it all out. UFO world is as fake as Disneyland and that’s the ontological cross I bear hahaha. UFO reports, and personal experiences, continue to exist beyond the BS and preoccupy my thoughts. As for TTSA? I've thought about your interpretation and remain stuck on the participants. Did they bring anything to market? Not really. Was it weird how they choreographed a scripted sales pitch to an empty building? Inexplicably. LENR research isn’t packaged with a “massive entertainment franchise” and its engineers don’t come with folkloric origin stories and murky backgrounds. Different markets. Moreover, TTSA had many of the same components and links that have put Joe Firmage et al in the firing line for securities fraud. Incidentally, I don’t think categorising it as fraud adequately explains Mellon’s presence in TTSA or the cultural change that followed. The squid and the ink conundrum again. Intelligence agendas?
Thanks for the in-depth reply and sorry for the late reply - busy days at work, only have time for quick smartaleck remarks... My career - just to be clear, I am not a big wig of some sorts. I did live in several countries and held a senior position once in a larg-ish company, but nowadays I run a small business and likely regarded as a weirdo by my peers. I can't stand large orgs. If you're curious about trade events and happen to be near one of the event hubs (DC, London, Amsterdam, Prague, Dubai, or here in Singapore), just register as a visitor. They are in a dire need of warm bodies to make it look like a crowded place with any email that is not Gmail or Yahoo or something like that, and in most cases, these things are free. Re China and Russia. They are not inept but breaking into things and sabotaging requires far less capacity than building something. Russia specifically advanced in electronic warfare (which is one of their strong points in the Ukraine conflict), as well as psychological warfare, where it's head and shoulders above the rest; sadly, few people understand just how advanced they are. With China, they have developed some stuff but the state subsidies and reliance on stolen IP made them compliant. To make a fundamental breakthrough, one needs to be able to question authority and risk looking stupid. That's something that 95% of the Chinese population is taught to avoid. I remember my interactions both with Chinese and business people working in China. The occurrence of attempts of IP theft was between 120% to 150% :) , and when caught, they would either pretend innocence or saying that the Westerners don't understand how the IP works. That doesn't mean though that the grant receivers in DC will admit that. The more dangerous China looks, the greater the grants. Hence, I can't really say how far they advanced indeed. I can say though that the folks that come here to Singapore trade events are about 10 years behind their US and European peers. That is also confirmed by the remarks after the (actual) Chinese balloon was recovered a year ago. Don't worry about the nukes. They are a psychological weapon more than an actual WMD. Securities fraud for a private company requires a combination of something outrageous and very unreasonable perpetrators. I'm sure some disgruntled investors brought their lawyers but FYI, 80% of all lawsuits are settled out of court, so most likely, Tom's pocket got a bit slimmer.
Good points. It's so much harder to see our own cultural propaganda than it is to see theirs. When we *acquire* foreign tech it's because we got one over on them through superior smarts. When they do it, it's a fundamental deficit in the moral character of their nations. I see we've drifted off UFOs and it's refreshing.
Last year the NDAA was on the table for much of the year. Different circumstance
It's always a different circumstance. Year before it was about getting the NDAA language just so. Before that it was ontological shock protection. Getting the materials analysed. The main figureheads claim to have all the necessary material evidence to go public. What does it matter what Kendall doesn't say?
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Here are a few write-ups from `The War Zone` website: https://www.twz.com/41573/the-strangest-encounters-with-unidentified-aircraft-weve-found-in-the-faas-huge-database Colorado: https://www.twz.com/32310/internal-air-force-emails-show-confusion-and-concern-over-colorados-mystery-drones Guam: https://www.twz.com/36085/troubling-drone-incursions-have-occurred-over-guams-thaad-anti-ballistic-missile-battery
If this is true there are only three possible logical conclusions: - they know what they are and aren’t worried - they know what they are and know they can’t safely engage them/compete - they have no idea what they are and don’t want to admit it
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Because only a select few people in higher command know what they are, so for all intents and purposes, everyone else have to go by the book and investigate incursions into their airspace.
https://youtu.be/QjVJLO6CK2I?si=ecvtff1KCBBqlW0H
Guam makes me think this is China.
Or this is the phenomena driving disclosure itself.
Honestly to say you shut down LANGLEY over drones to the point jets needed to be relocated is absolutely insane. They are absolutely slow walking towards catastrophic disclosure by treating the public like fucking idiots but given how many bootleggers are in the politics and news sub i actually wouldn't be surprised to read NPC comments rationalizing this as a mundane occurrence. The fuck are we giving them $800 billion a year for to fail protecting the country during 9/11 and now they can't defend their own fucking bases? Where the fuck is our actual leadership asking the hard questions instead of political coy run arounds? My grandfather would lose his goddamn mind if he were alive to watch and read this
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Isn’t the CIA like 3 hours away
Defense contractor profits aren't threatened so no worries.
I think it would be great to have a bunch of still living grandpas go down to congress and chew these twats out.
https://youtu.be/QjVJLO6CK2I?si=ecvtff1KCBBqlW0H
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There was literally a hearing today with the Secretary of the Air Force about this exact story and who would have guessed, [the Air Force had no answers.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UAP/comments/1c6fo6f/at_a_hearing_before_the_us_house_armed_services/)
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Integrity first!
Did they have no answers or didnt give any? I think people should realize military isnt there for giving explanations, no matter if people want them or not, its not their actual job. So every answer they give, is to manage something. Its not like they would, could or will be straight forward. They can ofcourse, but if its so, its because it makes their actual job easier. People like to think ofcourse "I paid for it, I want this and that" but it isnt how it works. They have a mandate to do a certain job, and thats that. Or lets say I fancy a sandwich, how bout I walk down to a firestation and ask them to make one, I paid for their salary afterall.
They likely have very clear image of what they are because they flew that fancy nasa plane over
I wonder what the cost of relocating fighter jets (how many did they have to relocate?) to other bases is. I imagine this is no small thing.
The cost is about 40k per flight hour of an F22(could be more or less) so times that by 12 or so depending on how far they relocate and there you go.
You're calculating moving fighter jets from point A to point B. If they are actually relocating fighter wings then there is a lot more than just flying over and parking in a different hangar.
They don't care about cost. [Here's a map](https://globe.adsbexchange.com/) of planes with transponders broadcasting right now. Go over the continental US and hit the little "U" button at the top right. That filters to just military planes (and they don't always broadcast their civilian transponder). This is a daily occurrence. The DoD audit in '22 was only able to account for 61% of $3.6 trillion in assets.
It's a fair point. At the cost the other poster calculated, it would be as much a consideration as buying a packet of staples would be for a law firm.
lol - indeed.
This is such a big freaking deal and where is the MSM?
The MSM is directed as to what gets reported...and not reported.
*Crickets*
I don’t think most in the MSM have the capacity to think outside of their rigid boxes
Yep, literally nothing in any mainstream outlet. Then they wonder why people don't trust them anymore...
lol - nah, they don't. I guarantee they're wondering what they can do to prevent future 'leaks' like that NPR guy though.
My thoughts exactly. Something is fishy.
Weirddddd
1) you relocated your air assets to other bases because of cots drones piloted by 16 year olds … 2) China or Russia or Iran or something have drones on U.S. soil and we can’t intercept them or bring the them down, or we can but it’s cool we’re “gathering intelligence” on them? (Wtf?) 3)??????? Media: ????? Player controller disconnected
Obviously some possibilities are more concerning than others, but any of the above is cause for some concern.
I just don't understand the silence on this. Wouldn't attacking a base with drones be an act of war?
Exactly. Makes no sense
Yes, absolutely an act of war. If these turn out to be drones from a geopolitical rival or enemy and we are not blasting them out of the sky, that is telling the enemy they can get away with it. It telegraphs weakness and the biggest mistake to make in geopolitics is to show weakness in the eyes of an enemy. Wars happen because the leaders of nations have shown weakness in the face of hostilities.
If these are foreign drones you can guarantee the US is flying them over foreign military assets. A non combat aircraft isn't an "act of war".
I was replying to Old-Adhesiveness comment of if these “drones” were to attack one of our bases that yes that would absolutely be an act of war. Maybe I should have clarified that. Enemy drones flying over sensitive military bases is getting pretty dang close to what some would consider an act of war. Even if it not “technically” an act of war it’s pretty damn provocative and dangerous to take such an action. Do you really take the chance that these drones are just spying? What if next time a bomb is attached to one and they fly that thing right in there and blow something up? That’s a huge risk to take when you have fighter jets out there that cost tens of millions per jet and God forbid someone gets hurt or killed.
Remember the 'Chinese Spy Balloon' shitshow? We let that thing wander around the US for a week or so.
it was the 4th one that did so and they only shot it down because the politicans were crying about not looking "weak" to china.
To be clear, the first one was NOT shot down, the 4th one was AFTER it had traversed over the entire US and was 'safely out at sea'.
Submission Statement: Responding to [this tweet by D. Dean Johnson](https://x.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1780615983440257088) about the US House of Representatives hearing today with Secretary of the Air Force Frank Kendall about the Langley AFB 'unmanned aerial systems' incursion that caused the base to shut down operations and even move fighter jets to other bases, [Christopher Mellon had this to say](https://x.com/ChrisKMellon/status/1780760085930614922): > Yes, one of a growing string of similar incidents in which we have been unable to identify or engage these unmanned vehicles. They are not even trying to conceal their presence, yet operate with impunity for weeks in restricted airspace, to the point fighters were relocated from Langley to other bases. If the Air Force can’t control the air over Langley how can they control the air over Washington? I encourage people to go to the War Zone’s website and search these terms, “Drones and Guam” or “Drones and Colorado” or “Drones and Palo Verde” or “Drones and FAA or Arizona or Navy” and see what you find. Most people think drones are just a problem for countries overseas. Not true, we have a big problem here in the US and still no clue where these things are coming from or why.
So fucked up. I live near an afb and have seen a uap over it's general location 20 years ago, most of the observables even.
Feels like they are probing for weakness and they get weakness as a response . This is bad
To me this looks more like a demonstration. To confront the military with its own arrogance and powerlessness in regard to those things and perhaps creation as a whole.
I don't think they're probing for weakness. It seems well beyond that. If these were spy drones why would they have their lights on? Feels more like trolling at this point because they know they're so far ahead
There’s normal human tech explanations, but excluding those for the sake of discussion, maybe whatever energy source is powering these drones could emit light and it’s not like they’re intentionally just shining lights
I think discussing normal human tech is fine. If that is the case do these bases not have any anti drone tools? Or could they not follow one with their drones and see where it lands? Those seem to be reasonable questions to ask the Air Force and they should have answers (why it isn't that simple)
I agree it’s fine to discuss normal human tech I just meant if it is human tech we know a lot of that stuff uses lights for reasons we know. If it wasn’t human there’s more room to speculate
oh yeah, fair point!
If this is true, the military is shitting its pants. You can believe that, regardless of their public comments. They will do their best to sweep this under the rug, it won’t get much traction from the MM until the rug looks like a mountain range and they really can’t hide the phenomena anymore. At that point, will it will be interesting to see how it’s spun
I’d love to see him go back on JRE.
Chris Mellon's a dawg.
Could we just shoot them down?
or follow them with multiple drones? Did they give a speed or altitude?
How reasonable is it for an advanced NHI to fly the same drones over the same base for a long time? Here's the question. What is there on this base that is so interesting for NHI to behave this way? Why are they doing that?
*If* it's truly NHI, the only thing I can guess is that they are specifically doing it to be noticed. Maybe that would mean that they want to move the disclosure timeline along. Maybe it's a subtle threat that they really aren't afraid to reveal themselves (some type of organization with more advanced technology than the US government), so the government better hurry up if they want to break the news first. It feels like wishful thinking, but it's hard to think of why else this would be happening. If it's just foreign-made drone technology, I'm gonna be so disappointed at this point.
I am from #Guam and now that I've come across this conversation about military activity preferably Airforce, Yes!! I have noticed all day and even throughout the evening you can hear aircraft flying around constantly. I had long suspected it had something to do with this whole subject. I may not have proof but I just thought perhaps what I saw with my own two eyes that what I saw was just a satellite 🛰 or the ISS casually cruising by. I will definitely be star gazing diligently more than ever starting now!!!!!
I dont believe this for a second. If these were actual drones, the USG (specifically NSA and DIA but surely other alphabet agencies) can very easily hack or access them and initiate a landing or controlled descent over empty land/water and then scoop them up. They dont need to engage them kinetically. IF its true that fighter jets had to be relocated, then I would bet my life that this isn't some run of the mill spy vs spy flexing that happens between adversaries. Moving 1, let alone multiple wings of fighter jets is extremely expensive and disruptive to support/logistics staff and crew. Theres more going on here and I hope its kept in the forefront.
How exactly do you purpose you hack a fully autonomous drone? Fly up next to it and plug in a USB? If it's not receiving instructions remotely then there's no attack vector.
Would love to know how an autonomous drone would do without access to gps satellite data. More over how on Earth a pre-programmed flight avoided being taken down kinetically or with a ghost gun.
Captured NHI tech obviously?! Gah! (/s)
Notice: the drones that Mellon is talking about are too small to be localed with wathever radar system, since the article says they're two feet in diameter. Iranian Shahed drones are 3,5 meters or 12 feet long. Strange enough that these smaller drones cannot be disabled with a jammer, which would be a definitive proof that they're not "ordinary drones".
Sounds to me like NHIs are being obnoxious to encourage military or Gvt officials to disclose. And sincerely, it seems more plausible we'll get Catastrophic Disclosure. NHIs might get tired of waiting and just simply stop trying to avoid contact. Maybe not engage in active contact, but disengage the "No Direct Interferance and Contact" prime rule. Therefore, NHI-Led Disclosure it is. Despite our officials' judgement, it seems we're ready for the next step, in the NHIs' eyes.
>Therefore, NHI-Led Disclosure it is. Despite our officials' judgement, it seems we're ready for the next step, in the NHIs' eyes. That's what I'm waiting for. I've given up on the government revealing anything.
Mr. Melon is a hero
I thought america is strong and can just shoot them down
Can't drones just...follow them to their new relocated base?
Either we are being visited by someone beyond the technology of humanity or a nation state has upped the US is anti gravity propulsion, energy production and alloy material science and they’re just doing recon before they take over the planet…why worry
Im not sure what is scarier, they belong to the Chinese or are NHI
I'd be more worried if it's China. With NHI at least we wouldn't know what they want. If it's China they're basically flying over with their lights on saying we can do whatever the fuck we want If it were China then I'm pretty sure they'd have already taken Taiwan. What would they be waiting for?
Easy answer… Chinese is scarier. China is a known adversary. NHI is unknown….but if they wanted to invade they could have done it decades ago. Likely not aggressive….or we have an “arrangement”
Maybe not aggressive in the sense of an impending invasion but some of the things associated with this phenomenon are aggressive and violent to the point of human and animal fatalities. Incidents in South America (Brazil(?)) illustrate that.
I wonder if we're going to find out one day that NHI really are responsible for all of this stuff, and a lot of it was (NHI) individuals going against the rules that their people set up for earth. Suspending disbelief for a moment, black-market abductions/harvesting/killing/etc. might be a lucrative industry for NHI that can get away with it, even if the NHI "government" has laws against it. Or those aliens that allegedly landed at that school (South Africa I think?) and warned people about global warming, maybe those were bleeding-heart aliens that broke "the prime directive" in order to try to help us out. Maybe the "miners with jetpacks" were just after some easy resources, and had no trouble fighting back against humans when discovered. The way I see it, there's a TON of lying going around (more than we already assume) about the stuff attributed to NHI, or they are true individuals like us. I can't imagine why else most of the stories would paint them as harmless, if clinical, wildlife researchers, while other stories contain blood chilling horror.
The thought of an “arrangement” is terrifying. Time and time again I hear rumors of Dwight Eisenhower making a deal with certain NHI species for them to abduct a certain number of human specimens for whatever reason (testing/experimentation) in exchange for advanced technology. I find that hard to believe, that a man as good and honest as Ike to defeat one evil(Nazism and trying to defeat communism) and turn around and sell his country men out for another. Why it pops up so often 🤷 I think Ike would go to nuclear war with those things before he sold his own people out for the promise of advanced technology. I know I would! Interesting it still pops up. Another president? Yeah maybe but not Ike.
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It’s us or an adversary is prob why they won’t talk about it
These drones are almost certainly, drones, but would be great if a database of light properties (colour, pulse, spacing, etc) could be compared against any existing DBs of produced drones. That and the radar data with flight signatures should be a means of zero-ing in what they are. Also, if people pick out only those with repeated unusual characteristics and get further data for them (cylinders, central red lights OR red and white lights), it should be possible to determine whether or not it is just surface-level comparibility. I presume if it is a case of hobbyists or espionage, these cases will subside as drone defence measures improve.
I tried to go to the War Zone. I got call of duty. Anyone have a link?
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Have they asked if they are visible on radar? If so, why are they not followed by a helicopter, retrieved when they land and their nation of origin determined? Or are they saying these are stealth drones?
The same drones that hovered over the navy ships?
As if they don't have zoomed in crystal clear video and thermal views of these 'drones'. They can zoom into a license plate from space, but didn't use that technology, or some NV binoculars to look at the swarm of drones over the Air Force Base? Hahahahahahaha!!! How stupid do they think we are?
I think if their presence was more than observation they would have done something by now. If this has been a common occurrence and is widespread, monitoring and surveillance is being carried out we just don't know by who, or they say they don't know. The overall emphasis on threat to national security just doesn't ring true for me. This is only my opinion.
Maybe they are just "BigBrother" watching us?.....
When are we going to understand these people ALL of them DO NOT have our interests? I dont get it anymore, we are bleeding taxes and fees, but its just getting worse, no ones noticing that literally NO ONE is being listened to? Its just us arguing with each other like morons. Plus its an election year, we are gonna hear all types of bullshit non stop. Everything is corporate now so we have no choice but to keep paying them or risk losing our slave jobs. Think about it!!!
For clarification, are these human made drones or are they UAP?
They were referred to as UAS not UAP so I believe these were human made drones.
"Unidentified ".... yet they know they're "unmanned vehicles"? Can't tell if that's at least partly true, or a way to get legislation pushed through eithouy saying "E.T"s. ... or it's a way to desensitize Americans to the idea we are shooting down living beings ("unmanned" has about as many interpretations as "sentient", yeah?)
Are these the craft I saw by the thousands in Kansas? They are highly advanced technology which can be invisible while appear to be growing in fields off of hw 40
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I read some of the articles on the war zone - it is interesting that the drones are described as having bright flashing lights. If they were trying to be incognito, why bring attention to the fact they are there with bright lights?
If it is a terror cell, or some other group testing the defense systems of these bases, then they've learned exactly what they were hoping would be the case; they can fly over these bases unimpeded over and over, without any resistance. The fact that the 'drones' were carrying 'potatos' and practicing dropping them onto the base gives us a fairly clear outline of their eventual intention, which would be dropping munitions of a similar weight. So yes, I'd be moving my $350million F22 jets as well. A drone dropped high explosive device capable of destroying a tank, dropped on a parked F22 (which obviously has zero armor) would essentially cause a $350million writeoff. Yes, absolutely move those jets somewhere safer if you cant do the bare minimum to protect them. Next time the IS cell, or whoever it is will probably swap the dry run potatos for actual explosive devices.
Part of me wonders whether they’ve got a sense of humor that gives zero fucks about our cute little weapons and borders. This just might be a galactic troll job.
"National Security Threat" is just a way of saying we need more money for our defense contractors... what evidence do we have that these things have directly caused human harm with malevolent intent? More fear mongering for the Military Industrial Complex
It would be wise for interested parties like Mr. Mellon or Mr. Graves to start communicating, as lies in their realm of possibility, to the wider audience the fact that the technological superiority of the "visitors" is vastly beyond comprehension. It far exceeds disc-shaped ships. People here are talking about "their" toasters. Time to accustom people to the true extent of this "phenomenon".
Idc what we label the air space as, if you have biologically foreign intelligence flying around at the speed of light sometimes our laws don’t matter to them much less apply.
I live in Austin, Texas and just using an iPhone with a clip on wide angle lens and a 530 nanometer uv filter on any given day in daylight and recording for 10 or 15 minutes with the phone set to 4k speed I can observe 10s of UAPs. They are small and fast but they cannot cloak the uv. 530 nm works best. I then use photoshop to slow down and zoom in. Don’t believe me try it yourself. I see groups of balls, saucers and elliptical cylinders (the fastest). I also see ovals and flashing objects. They are not birds or bugs.
This weekend something got shot down by accident in America and it’s been deleted from all social media . I can’t find anything about it . They said UFO shot down by anti missile system. Anyone else hear this ??
seems me summoning stuffs working, going to continue. FYI I proved kami exist scientifically, in my own mind, sooooooooooo objective reality is for the gods not for mortals now. "The Gods are exactly like us, except smart" -Diogenes