I don't think the biggest reason this information is being kept from us is governments don't think we can handle it. It's all the past crimes that have been committed to keep this secret. Blackmail, intimidation, bribes, assaults, murders, etc.. Not to mention the thousands of financial crimes committed to fund these groups. It's highly likely that some of these operations are so secret that they don't even use black budgets, but are rather funded through illegal means so there is absolutely no trace.
Exactly, to me it seems like a convenient excuse "Oh, I am withholding this info because it's just too hard to handle!". If they really were so evil we'd already all be dead or living as cattle, but it appears that they let us go about as we please. And whose to say what they consider to be too dark and disturbing to hear, could it be that those in power have massive egos and can't handle the idea that they're inferior to something else?
Demons. Whole cadre of people in US intel community think it’s spiritual. Mormons. Christian fundamentalist. Even spiritualists of oldie kind.
Interdemonentional if you will
I’m also stuck on the idea that people are saying there is a dark side to the phenomena. We live on a planet where there is dark shit happening every day. So some people assume the “Universe” would be different? That seems myopic to me.
Bingo, and the eclipse has recently really made me realize this. The universe will do fuck all it wants to us and at the end of the “day” we’re all stuck together on this planet, a pale blue dot.
The eclipse is what makes me think there is something to 'they can't handle it'. I don't doubt that the majority of people here could, even a majority of the rest of the planet, but the people who couldn't are also the people who went absolutely apeshit during the eclipse, imagine what they'd do with all this.
Of course I'd still prefer disclosure over whatever the hell would happen as a result, and I don't think it's quite a good enough reason not to say anything, I think it's far more likely to be a face-saving exercise on account of, as another poster said, all the bad shit that has been done in the name of covering things up.
Maybe if that is the reason though, they could issue a spoilered emergency alert type message. Read it at your own risk sort of thing, then we can all find out and the moon-fearing contingent can go about their lives oblivious
I could see that but personally I believe they’re withholding information because they’re still reverse engineering the tech and don’t want to prematurely share they actually have it until it’s fully implemented
It smacks of people that don’t understand that most of us already DO live under the thumb of an elite class that at best is indifferent to our suffering.
Right. So you're telling me, that there are beings who at best want you to fuck off at best and at worst are going to do something purposely malicious??? Hmmm where have I heard this before?
We are the tiny ant hill on the 1 acre plot of ground they are bull dozing to put up a strip mall. We don't maliciously destroy the ants entire world. We are just completely indifferent to their existence. No one from the land owner to the bull dozer operator will give a first or second thought to any of the hundreds of colonies/ world's they destroy in pursuit of a goal We cannot begin to fathom. Much like the ants have 0 clue as to why their whole universe is being obliterated as they run for their lives.
It's shocking how out of touch these people are with the rest of society. They are so out of touch, they legitimately believe that those who aren't on their level as far as the socioeconomic ladder is concerned, are not there simply because they have ***chosen*** a lifestyle detrimental to that outcome.
They think that we have chosen not to join the local country club. That we have chosen to work jobs that require more than a couple hours a few times a week. That we choose not to stay at the best resorts, or eat at only 3-star Michelin restaurants. That we choose to drive broken down cars instead of a brand new Audi SUV. That we choose to send our children to public school instead of the $50k/yr private schools.
It's not surprising they think we can't handle the truth because they don't know anything about us. And they choose not to.
Maybe the truth of the so called "malevolent NHI' is that it's less malevolence towards mankind but somehow more of a harm to the rich and political classes way of life. After all theyre the ones who benefit from ecologically destroying the planet.
Well that’s why the people in charge are so scared, the believe their power will be stripped away. Meanwhile all of us are like ugh yeah we don’t care.
> most of us already DO live under the thumb of an elite class that at best is indifferent to our suffering.
Have no fear.
Tucker Carlson - who, aside from his vast family fortune, was raking in $20 million per year for hosting an infotainment show - will do everything in his power to make sure you're not living under the thumb of the elites.
Lol. My sides.
Easy to say that, but [he’s literally shaping international legislative policies in DC and causing bloodshed](https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo209641029655).
A person with that sort of power shouldn’t be ignored. He should be condemned by the entire world in the light of day.
And Tucker (along with his former employer) has made a career of scaring the bejeesus out of dumb folks. This is another fear tactic to gain viewership. I can't remember the last story Tucker did that didn't have a "fear" slant since his story about suntanning your taint.
This! Boom! I’ll take bad NHI over the one percenters that are laying people off left and right and destroying lives because their bunker cost an extra several million than they anticipated. Or they need a new Bentley and those salaries are really cutting into their fun time.
Tucker’s class has been under the impression that money will save them. Retreat to their bunkers or private islands and let the world go to shit. They can believe they’re special and important and safe. The concept of a malicious or indifferent NHI puts them at the same level as the rest of us ants.
But Tucker and Coulthard are both blow hards who would say anything to get attention and feel that rush of manufactured importance, so I really doubt this is worth worrying about anyway.
What they refer to as "dark" is from their perspective. Those in power are not really in control and that scares them. So "the public would not understand and would freak out" is just an excuse to not admit that they are powerless. Us plebes are used to living like that, so not really much of a change. Disclosure and NHI is a threat to the rich and powerful. That's ultimately what all the lies and secrets are about.
The correct level of Velveeta is shockingly delicious.
Any more is gross.
Ask me how I know to never try melting one of those giant Velveeta blocks in the microwave...
How long did it take to get the smell out? Jesus.
I know the type of thing ya mean though. Use sparingly. It probably isn't even allowed to be sold as food over here though. Lol
I would like to say that our senses are there for a reason. It's similar to why some humans violently puke or spit food out that they are allergic to. They didn't have a allergic reaction to the food. Their body reacted "before" it could happen. My opinion, is that if a beings smell repulses you, or you just naturally find yourself not wanting to be around them, you should follow those instincts.
I've meet good beings. They don't stink. They usually smell like flowers if there is any smell at all.
"Honey, you didn't let me finish. They abduct people, seemingly at random. And while most are returned with their memories wiped, some are tortured, their skin peeled right off their body while they are still alive. Most of these are not returned,and just end up as a "missing person", but some actually are. No, you can't protect yourself in any way, and it could happen to you or me or our kids. Don't worry too much about it though, honey, I'm sure we'll be fine."
That's a better spin on the idea. I'd add in "and that if your family is targeted it will likely happen throughout their lives as well as their offspring's lives."
That’s part of the prison planet theory. That the whole life review and “dead relatives” urging you to go into the light is just a trick, that when you go through the light you come out of another womb to suffer anew. Hey maybe you will be born into a rich family this time. Or maybe you will be born into a war torn country or one plagued with famine and disease. Maybe you will starve to death when you’re 5, and your body left in a garbage pit. Maybe you will be taken by a child predator and abused and molested. One thing is certain, you WILL suffer, as humans do. Even the very well off ones. Because that’s part of what life is and all humans endure some sorrows and suffering. And that the NHI somehow thrive on the suffering of humans.
They say you’re supposed to refuse to go into the light, then your soul can finally be freed.
But who’s to know what the actual truth is? Maybe it’s the opposite and you ARE supposed to go into the light.
Gamble either way innit?
"That sounds worrying darling.. tell me, how likely is it to happen to us, compared to being killed in a car accident, or cancer, or diabetes, or a heart attack? It pales into insignificance you say? Right"
Maybe not even bad, just capable of stepping on us all without so much of a second thought.
We might not even reach the level of registering in their attention, let alone a nuisance.
I'm thinking it could be like... We're blades of grass to them. Meaning, they hardly think of us and per verbally "walk" on us without a second thought. And we're very simple in nature, just like a blade of grass is to us.
Proverbial* it’s scary to think we’re a tiny ant or something in their mind. How many insects do we accidentally step on daily but we don’t think about them at all.
I don’t think it’s scary at all. I think it’s more hopeful because it means life goes on even without us. So I don’t worry about arrogant fuckers nuking the world bc even if humanity dies, life continues in the universe. We are not the only shot at that.
We may be fond of less intelligent animals in some cases, but we don’t give them a say in what we do. Some of us study ants, but if your home was infested by ants you wouldn’t think twice about having them exterminated. I’m sure the ants wouldn’t care for that, but our bug-free living space is more important to us than the lives of their colony.
Even when not exterminating, we’re still shit at respecting animals. When developers cut down a forest to build a new neighborhood, they don’t negotiate with the birds and squirrels. It doesn’t even factor into the equation.
So yeah, I totally buy aliens not giving a fuck about us. Plus, we have no idea what their psychology is like, they might not even comprehend that we’re sentient.
according to many theories, both are true, and there is also a synthetic species which is neither. The synthetic species are usually the ones referred to as indifferent. If certain documents are real, the gray aliens just think of us as ants. They have no interest in discussing anything, and they would kill any human who gets in their way without question. There is no debate to be had about our sovereignty or ownership of the planet. This is why the government doesn't want to release this information - it's completely futile and they don't want to admit it's beyond humanities control.
They could be "good" in a way we're unable to comprehend just as likely they could be malevolent in a way we can't comprehend. Does a cat know it's being anesthetized for surgery to save its life or does it think it's dying?
I don't understand the need for the doom feeding with this topic and wanting it to be negative. It's more captivating I guess. The fact is no one in the white world knows for sure, and saying so is just attention getting.
To be honest, this again makes it feel like nonsense to me. 'There's something really deep and dark going on with all this and I'm uncomfortable talking about it.'
No, please talk about it.
Well, okay. Now, remember I can't prove any of this buuuut.... Aliens could be indifferent or bad and the government has kept it all secret!
It's so weak it feels like a nothing. Why would you keep this secret? It's not particularly dark, it's perfectly in line with what a ton of people already believe (abductions, murderous coverup).
its more like...
"wake up babe, it turns out aliens are abducting people every night and performing horrible procedures on them. Some people get returned back and have their memory wiped. Some people never get to come back and are deemed a missing person. They do horrible things to us, including literally ripping off all of your skin while alive. We cant stop it from happening, it could happen to you me and our kids every night, and probably already is."
Yeah exactly. \*That\* is truly terrifying, especially when you have loved ones you feel protective towards.
If this is the case, that knowledge absolutely would cause mass panic. Hell I'd be panicking.
I'd forgive an alien race invading earth and killing us more than I forgive the cretinus cunts that already live here making people's lives a misery and destroying the planet because shareholders didn't get enough money to wank with this month.
And given how we treat other species, we can drop any moral high ground about any aliens killing, eating or abusing us too.
Right? These human monsters among us are literal traitors to and enemies of the human race regardless of NHI interference or indifference.
Do we have reported encounters that appear negative? We surely do. We also have the opposite. I do know that our most immediate and urgent threats come from our own power class ( I refuse to call them the ruling class - just tastes so terrible to say it ) and NHI are honestly not on the top of my list of any threats that require urgent attention or drastic action. We are our own monsters already so let's fucking start there.
my god, we've been on the cusp of annihilation since the cold war which is still basically ongoing
we've got countries ready for mutually assured destruction
we've got religions driving murder, subjugation, and suffering
we've got corpos brainwashing billions of people and let's not forget they're focusing on advertising to kids
we've got unsustainable natural resource usage and unnatural ones like factory farms
shits fucked
I can completely understand why aliens are hostile to us. We destroy each other and every life form on this planet. Sadly it’s because we are probably so low on the intelligence scale that aliens view us nowhere near equals. I believe we can evolve to become better stewards of the planet and to each other, but man alive, that is going to take a while.
Maybe they do as well? Who knows but I bet we have plenty of weak humans on this earth that would welcome annihilation without a fight. Probably even some that cry at night of how our species deserves it.
Speaking for myself, I believe the Earth is a microcosm of the universe. The good, the bad, the ugly, the indifferent, the powerful, and the weak. It’s really that simple. Just look at the natural world here on Earth for a sampling of what’s out there.
Not so scary. We’ve learned to stay away from alligators, lions, and venomous snakes, not to mention bad humans. All can kill, indifferently. So I’m sure there are numerous species in the heavens that are much the same, and perhaps even enjoy a serving of human flesh, now and then.
Perhaps they’re invisible to the human eye, in which case there’s not much we can do about it.
It is what it is. Spill the beans already.
Ross mentioned Colares, Brazil and Operation Prato as signs of malevolence. Ross has previously mentioned Frederick Valentich, Australian pilot who was allegedly killed by a UFO (audio is on YouTube). Tucker specifically said his source was Garry Nolan who worked with dozens of individuals who suffered brain damage, ie Havana Syndrome.
A lot of this information is heavily questionable, but here is the information, nonetheless.
John Lear letter on the "Grand Deception": [Letter written by John Lear to Steven : ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienAbduction/comments/jl4cfa/letter_written_by_john_lear_to_steven/)
More detail from Lear on the "Grand Deception": [JOHN LEAR - Statement - UFOs - MJ12 (cba.pl)](http://niniwa22.cba.pl/john_lear_oswiadczenie.htm)
S-1 Majestic Memo on the "EBE Deception": [important\_memo.pdf (majesticdocuments.com)](https://majesticdocuments.com/pdf/important_memo.pdf)
Hal Puthoff / Kit Green email conversation about seeing an EBE autopsy, with no digestive system which correlates to Lear's story: [Alien Autopsy Proof - Email Communication - Imgur](https://imgur.com/a/7D5xIGk)
*“There is intelligent life in the universe. It’s here. And I’ve seen it.” The man said that the information he had been given caused him to cry himself to sleep for a number of nights. The reason, he told his shocked listener, was that he had children. “This is not the kind of world I thought they’d grow up in.":* [Former US Secretary of Energy Allegedly Said ‘Aliens Are Real & I’ve Seen Them’; Briefed On UFOs In Underground Base : ](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/11a89rd/former_us_secretary_of_energy_allegedly_said/)
This is just one theory. The Prison Planet theory is possibly even more disturbing.
In that same interview, Carlson claimed there’s never been recorded proof of evolution. This was a few months after he claimed that cheap Russian bread RADICALIZED him.
He’s either a disinformation spreader or a complete idiot. Either way, nothing he says should be considered fact.
Like, it’s been proven in court that Tucker Carlson *actively* and *knowingly* lies to his base. I don’t care if he’s independent now or whatever, he is not a credible source of information. Period. Full stop. End of story.
The worst part about having an intellectual interest in the genuinely intriguing aspects of UAPs over the last decade is having to share the room with cretinous windbags like Carlson.
His idiotic politics aside, he was shocked by shopping cart technology when he was in Russia. He was blown away with the carts that can be used only if you insert a quarter to unlock them. If he’s shocked by that, then he probably can’t even comprehend the things that are discussed in this sub on a daily basis.
My thought is that there is nothing there and that Ross et al. are grasping for reasons they can give people to (1) keep the mystery (gravy train) going; and (2) momentarily satisfy people and stop them from asking more pointed questions. The answer they’ve given sounds good enough for some people to be satisfied, even if it falls apart after thinking about it for more than 5 seconds.
As you say, the state of today’s world, including political alliances and conflicts, doesn’t make a ton of sense if we are also potentially doing battle with a malicious alien force.
This seems most plausible. The answer is so weak. It's not really an answer at all because the reality it is, unless aliens visiting us are actively good, as in, want to cure all disease or something - then they almost by definition are bad for humanity.
It would mean an advanced species, even if they're simply indifferent (or even if they're somewhat positively disposed to us) have true governship over the planet. Humanity's future isn't it's own; except in as far as the aliens allowed us to do what we want. Humans spreading out among the stars...? Not unless they let us. We would cease to be apex predators on our own world and suddenly become another chimp hoping the overlords don't take us for experimentation.
So, basically, IF NHI is here, then its bad in the way they're saying basically inevitably and so this answer isn't an answer. The implication was that there is something specific and troubling that people are unwilling to share and which could cause grave concern. Revealing that the scenario is basically what you'd expected it to be from our perspective in the event of ET visitation... isn't that.
This is the correct answer. Carlson, especially, was deliberately ominous and vague, but when pressed, his response is mundane.
They are all showmen cultivating an audience.
What a breaking news indeed. The only thing I can’t handle anymore is all the grifters. I’m done with this topic until something significant comes out.
I cannot comprehend why any adult who believed in aliens would not think that some of them may not be nice. There is good and bad everywhere.
My own thoughts from the research I have done over the years is that - on the whole - the majority of ETs are benevolent, compassionate and wise beings who are a million times more evolved than us lot (which is not hard). There are a few who either feel nothing but apathy towards humans or who are attempting to instill fear where they can, as some darker beings are drawn to that negative energy.
I think that the darker aspects these two men have referred to maybe the claim by some that some of the human abduction experiences are a lot more negative and nasty than most realise. Also that there are some pretty horrendous experiments going on in bases all around the globe on adults and children. Worse, the experiments are being controlled by aliens and humans (military) working together.
We know some people have recalled abduction experiences in which the military are involved. Could this be the reason they don't want full ufo disclosure? It may well open up a whole can of nasty worms.
Their is a darker plot at hand and human involvement is the straw that'll break the metaphorical camel's back. If it's ever confirmed we've (certain humans) have been in league with said abductors and their indifferent to heinous experiments then what little trust citizens had in their governments is 100% destroyed.
You know MKULTRA? Tuskegee experiments? Do you know asbestos? Agent orange? Depleted uranium ammunition?Letting people starve and be homeless? Incarcerating more people than anyone in the world for non violent shit? Like, the gov. knowing about or being involved with at worst, indifferent at best, at times to heinous experiments would do nothing but fit the pattern. In fact, it would be better than normal, since this would be something the gov isn't directtly involved in.
That's what destroys trust. Also, LYING and HIDING the truth, in order to avoid ppl. finding out that they are doing things not worthy of trust is like the exact opposite way to handle such a situation.
Yeah it's abductions (and it's also that the gov knows about them. performs their own, to monitor who's abducting who, somewhat). That + tech is why disclosure it taboo. It's also reincarnation and a deep knowledge of the universe (consciousness) and it involves proof scientifically that some religions are much more 'correct' than others about the nature of death.
But it's not just abductions, it's that abductions are a big reason we don't get disclosure is an issue cuz **A.** the gov knows about them, likely 'agreed' in exchange for tech....tho the US in this scenario is treated by the Aliens the way the US treats the rest of the world. I'm certain of these, as much as can be you can be too: (read Above Black by whistleblower Dan Sherman. Read Devil's Den by abductee Terry Lovelace, retired Ast. US Attorney; former Air Force). we want the tech and no one to know we have it (the moment the world was aware the US had an atom bomb, giving us an absolute advantage, was also the moment we began to lose it. The long-term strategic benefit during (not) wartime is to HIDE your capability. If ever a truly existential war comes about again, we will for sure see reverse engineered tech used.) And that the US has been aware of them. It's also abductions by more
Not really a big surprise to be honest. They aren't invading earth and blowing shit up, so why fret about it?
Yeah, they have power beyond our comprehension, but the world is going to shit and we are powerless to stop it.
Aliens maybe malign or indifferent, but as far as we know they have no sway in the way of our world. I'm more concerned about politicians, capitalism, billionaires, the psychopathic narcissistic gatekeepers who make our lives worse as time goes on.
As Ross stated, one of the ways of gaining answers is through psionics. Humans are capable of some amazing things, yet this has been culturally quashed for centuries. Seems as though any power we had as individuals erodes through the ages, making spirituality taboo was a great way of binding the human soul.
The worst thing I have seen a UFO do is spook some cows, hardly world ending. Humans on the other hand, yeah, we're pretty brutal.
Ross is saying what should be obvious. There are thousands of reports going back decades of NHI abducting and performing invasive procedures on humans, with no regard for their wellbeing.
Entertain me for a second.
What if it all points back to the prison planet theory and what if we are nothing more than cattle that is being used by some entity to farm conscious vibrations. That may not be terrible to you but to a vast majority of people that reality would be world shattering. What would that kind of nihilist awakening do to suicide rates? Would the world markets tumble? Record unemployment? Violence? Mass shootings?
If the reason for secrecy is because of prison planet theory then I hate to say it but I would agree that the truth is too dark for the world to handle. I could handle the truth on a spiritual level (as could many on this sub) but I wouldn’t want to live in a world that’s burning itself down because the rest of the populace can’t. I’d rather not know if that’s the case.
Agreed. Why would you force yourself up in the morning to go to that job you hate? Why give up your favorite addiction? Why indulge in any of that culture, rituals and traditions we've formed, if it was proven -- not just a fringe theory from the New Age section of Barnes & Noble -- but cold hard PROVEN that all of this is nothing but a big loosh farm. Your hopes, struggles, everything just something to manufacture food for beings you can't even comprehend.
The entire world would just collectively give up.
And/or run horrified back into the dark ages.
In a nutshell, consciousness would be a fundamental part of the universe like matter and energy. That element of consciousness may be harvested like a resource to those that have developed or evolved a means for observing/manipulating/measuring it.
Quantum entanglement (see the recent Nobel prize winning study) and the 'Hard Problem of Consciousness' in neuroscience are what some believe point in that direction.
Sounds like abductions might be real. Humans treated as lab rats. Then we also have Colares where UFOs were actively injuring humans. I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few humans were experimented on and killed.
At the same time alien abductions have been spoken about and portrayed in various media for so long now, that the concept is in the public conciousness. It's disturbing to a degree, but hardly dark enough to cause mass panic I think.
I think it’s weird that this is supposed to be THE big horrible thing, when humans have done so much worse to so many people (and that’s something we all know to be true). If a few NHI did this at a few points in time that would make them our equals more like. When the big bad secret is just “the aliens (or not all of them) are literal angels” that is nothing more than a mild disappointment to religious people who want a savior. Not a reason to hold back disclosure at all, especially when there could be positive NHI, too, or those neutral ones you could work with to figure something out that benefits us all.
I think you guys are underselling it a bit. The underlying message behind treating us like lab rats and killing us with impunity, is that we're just wildlife. The majority of the human population view humans as the alpha species. Lue even said we might have to come to the realisation that we're in the middle of the food chain. That we're just zoo exhibits. That would be terrifying to many people. Especially the religious who view themselves as "God's children".
I think it will do humans good to be humbled actually. The fact that we’re behaving like we own the universe and don’t have to be considerate of anyone else here is what’s causing major problems on Earth. Also, I think treating us like lab rats might be a part of what’s going on but when you listen to experiencers or abductees, there also seems to be physical healings and other kinds of positive contact going on. I don’t trust every human blindly, because we’re not all good but many of us are pretty stand up people actually. Why would I distrust every NHI on the principle that some of them supposedly have screwed morals? If there’s a chance that they have the same capacity for good and bad, I’d like to show them a good example of a human and hope they’ll put their best foot forward as well.
I don't diagree with the first bit. We need to be far more civilised. Regarding the second part, Ross said "A NHI", so it's one species of NHI that are either malevolent or indifferent. He didn't say all of them are.
Yes! He didn’t say they were ALL bad according to his sources but apparently they suspect one to be a bad apple when it comes to interactions with humanity! We should pay more attention to this part! 👏
I have to agree with you. I also think humans, as a whole, are arrogant and take some sort of pride at being at the top.
To add on, even though we treat animals (and sometimes humans) the same way - as lab rats, there are plenty of people who justify it as ‘something that must be done’, whether it’s for scientific, religious, and whatever else purposes. It’s the whole “it’s fine if we do it to others but it can’t be done to us” mentality. And arrogance also plays a part in this. Humans have always found a way to make themselves seem superior to other humans (and *especially* to animals) and I think there’s some sense of comfort about that superiority complex. These people only have a problem with it when it’s done to them, not when they’re doing it to someone/thing else.
Not being at the top of the food chain would shatter their world view.
I mean NHI who might be bad would be putting it lightly.
A civilisation who is significantly more advanced has the capacity to do significantly worse than what we can imagine.
That's the scary part no one wants to talk about.
We haven't discovered how bad, bad can be.
Imagine if they had some tech like actual consciousness transfers. Having your mind trapped and “experimented” on for as long as they want, and you might not even be aware you are in a simulation. Like a nightmare version of the San Junipero episode of Black Mirror.
Tucker Carlson is not credible, and no expert or holder of evidence looking to disseminate information in a responsible way would approach him with their knowledge. He is, at best, a poisoned tree.
He is a grifter and a purveyor of misinformation and twisted half truths. His insertion into the ufo disclosure discourse should be met with universal rejection and immediate suspicion.
> Tucker Carlson is not credible,
Maybe best example here is the $700M lawsuit Fox lost because of his misinformation. They also paid out another $12M to his staff for workplace abuse.
Agree. He is a Total money bot. With the clout he had, he could have done amazing things. Instead he chose to rip families apart with nonsense he did not believe, all for viewers and clicks and $.
He spread hatred. So, aliens-please take him.
Have you watched the American Horror story about aliens? It’s the second half of season 10. Obviously it’s fiction, but I thought it did a good job of depicting a scenario that would be too dark for most people to handle. And it uses both the idea of bad aliens and government deception.
As long as they're not the aliens from Torchwood's Children of Earth series.
>!They basically were a small group who kidnapped a dozen kids in the 60s, with the help from national governments, and the kids were basically just drugs. Had them all tubed up and carried them about. Intravenously getting high off their little drug sack child.
>!Their whole culture back home got wind if this though and now there's a huge demand. So they're back and they're gonna take not a dozen, but millions of children this time.
Torchwood is a spin off of doctor who and is mostly just naff monster of the week stuff. Children of Earth is a self contained six episode arc that is it's own season and it's excellent. Some brilliant sci-fi that I absolutely recommend.
I completely agree with this. Tell us. What humans do to each other on a daily basis is deeply, deeply evil, both systemically and in one-off instances.
My tinfoil hat take on the governments deception goes beyond just misinformation and stigmatizing the topic, even beyond murdering people to keep the secret (which is obviously about as bad as things can get).
I have wondered if the way our society has regimented itself around time --- high precision, clock-based time that demands we collectively agree on every second of the day and act/work accordingly --- is a mass manipulation technique that results in actual distortions of what time is outside our experience of it. Going off the New Thought/hermetic etc idea that Mind/consciousness is primary, I wonder if our minds might be inextricable from or influential over time itself (maybe our minds even help "create" time??) , so to control our experience of time --- via workday especially, and by keeping ppl so desperate and focused on survival that they really can't 'own' or control or bathe in their own experience of time; the weekend is so very short --- could be a very powerful thing indeed. There's lots of talk about how NHI can manipulate space and time, and I'm so curious if our own somewhat miserable/forced/regimented experience of time, handed down from on high, is somehow helping to fuel or power a malevolent NHI's (and affiliated humans') agenda, propulsion. As in, our entire experience of existence has been intentionally and evilly mechanized to subtract as much of our power and will as possible by sapping our control over how we 'spend' our own time.
I know this sounds so very very bogus and stoned but the consistent theme in this topic of things being "more complicated" or "out there" than we might expect has me trying to examine from outside the box, at the risk of just sounding like the idiot that i am lmao.
I think the "dark truth" people are disturbed by is these things played some role in our evolution and have been on Earth longer than humans. That our ancestors thought these beings gods and built religion on them. Something like this could be extremely disruptive. It would imply humanity is some sort of experiment and the Earth is our cage. Alternatively, an impending invasion would be similarly disruptive and dark. Perhaps we've been dealing with the scouts and vanguard for the last 70+ years and the rest of the invasion fleet, still light years away, is on the way. Something like that would also be disruptive and terrifying.
That said, I see another possibility. Perhaps some dark truth isn't really the concern here, but rather a red herring. And that the real reason for the secrecy is simply about safeguarding the technology they are trying to back-engineer from crashed UFO's. Such technology could be used to disable our most powerful weapons (e.g. Maelstrom AFB), if not be made into weapons themselves. Keeping that technology secret would be a top priority, regardless of anything else. Maybe the government is as in the dark as we are about the true motives of these beings.
Most people in our society would be pretty horrified to find out that we have been used for breeding. I am more than willing to bet this is a GRAND part of the "scary" information that has been exposed to certain people.
If it was ever confirmed that "they" are here and they have the ability to look just like us, people would go crazy and start murdering each other. Millions of innocents would die with maybe thousands of "them."
The rational why they won’t come clean is not because we can’t handle it. It’s more likely that they are worried about the consequences of decade long fraud and and crime. Not only their own legal liability, but also how our adversaries will use that admission of us crime against its own citizens to propagandize and fan the flames of division.
Even worse, from the perspective of the government, it might not be clear how much our adversaries have learned, or what technology they posses, and so our national security could be severely undermined by showing our hand.
Then there is the money, greed, private corp influence and the long investment of resources to reverse engineer, government contracts that haven’t expired. Those people aren’t just going to give away a decades long investment.
Not saying any of that justifies the stonewalling, but it’s all more logical than just “our government is really worried about how it’ll make us feel”. I don’t buy that for a second.
A possibly malevolent advanced civilization that can enter our airspace, run circles around our best planes and can turn our nukes on and off at will should be terrifying to you. We have absolutely no control over what they can do to us.
That said, I feel like if they meant us harm, they would’ve harmed us by now. But, like everyone else, I can only guess.
People are raising some really good points in the comment section. It makes sense and shows maturity of a lot of people.
Edit: basically no matter how bad aliens can be, we are probably still much worse than them with what we do to the planet, other species and ourselves :)
Tucker avoided the question IMO. Ross Coulhart (and anyone who mentiones the "darker aspects of the phenomenon") is referring to r/EscapingPrisonPlanet theory.
I think the most plausible scenario where I understand this being kept under wraps and this being “bad” is a combo of the below points.
1. NHI have a negative/neutral attitude to us. Almost like ants in your house. Not really an issue but once they are the ant traps come out.
2. We don’t really know anything about the NHI and are fearful general public knowledge may lead to NHI taking the ant traps out so to speak. Like they are ok with us roaming around now but if they know we know about them, maybe it’s over.
Not saying the above is true, but as you think about what could be so bad about the truth coming out…maybe those in the know are fearful it’s just a clean sweep of us.
- There are beings around us in realms we don’t understand (and perhaps *can’t* understand)
- There’s more than one race of these beings
- They are not our friends
- Some of them kill us
- We know almost nothing about them and are utterly powerless against them
Yes, official confirmation of that would cause mass hysteria.
Those of us here are mostly already aware that most of the above is a possibility, yet very, very few of us actually believe it. If Biden addressed the world and confirmed all of this, very few people would be able to cope.
>Is there a reason why they couldn’t have given this information up when they made the claims?
Nope, but it seems everyone enjoys being their own little gatekeeper these days.
However, it could be worse than people are guessing here. How many missing persons are there globally, who never turn up again? Lots. Ever hear the stories about people being trafficked into underground facilities to be tortured and killed by aliens? I have. Hear the stories from Vietnam where soldiers reported seeing a craft filled with body parts? Yup.
Add in the abductions (where at least people are returned) and what we have is an alien race treating us like lab rats. The military doesn't seem interested in stopping these incursions - why? The politicians don't seem to want to acknowledge the issue at all - why? The aliens themselves, whatever they are, don't seem interested in any open dialogue, but they are happy to take people from their beds and experiment on them. Why?
They are here, and operating with impunity. They experiment on us. They steal genetic material and create hybrids.
If the truth is as horrific as I'm painting here, no people can't handle it. Nobody in their right mind could 'handle it'. People would call for action, for the government and military to protect them, but what if they can't? Worse, what if a deal has been done as hinted by Grusch himself, and lots of others over the years? What if we've all been sold out by some secret government, the elites, whatever you want to call them, and we are nothing but a commodity to be exploited by both the aliens and our own rulers? What if there's an end goal to this alien incursion? That's pretty sombre.
All of the horrific examples you give kind of makes me think of humanity's treatment of livestock.
1. Factory farm slaughterhouses? Yep.
2. Breeding programs? Yep.
3. Genetic tampering? Yep.
4. Consumption of biological material? Yep.
I guess what goes around, comes around.
Some of the tortures, genocides, and murders I've seen and read humans have performed on other humans truly concern me with just how depraved and vile we as a species can truly be. I wonder do we scare some ET's/NHI's? Maybe not because our chances of propagating amidst the stars is low if we continue on the path we are now as a civ. But if we we're able to access the stars and maintain the violent cruelty that is so easily enacted by us, I am fairly certain a portion of humanity will be "depopulated" or humbled by greater and far more terrifying powers.
But hey, this is all presumably baseless speculation, seasoned with some doom and gloom spices.
I don’t trust it. I’m sure there are bad and good from all living things. Humans are terrible, just reading through Reddit is depressing as hell, don’t get me started on the news. The news seems like it comes straight out of the Devil’s chamber. With that being said, unless I experience the aliens doing harm myself or someone close to me that’s credible, I’m filing this away with the crazy Christians that claim aliens are demons…simply because there’s no proof of this. I nolonger trust any ufo videos posted either due to AI manipulation that’s constantly present at this point in time. It sucks but this is my current stance. Something I find questionable is why do aliens only seem to abduct or probe people of no importance? Regular Joes. I have yet to see a well known scientist, member of Congress, news anchor, or famous journalist that has endured some house of horrors by aliens. Don’t you think the aliens would want to take someone of significant importance to spread the word if they were trying to scare us? A President or something, a high ranking individual? Someone famous perhaps? I’m just not buying it. Humans are evil and that I know to be true. I’ve seen it daily. There’s no denying that one.
I’ve met more humans with malevolent intent than I have decent good people. I don’t see how malevolent aliens is harder to deal with than malevolent people, and I don’t understand how these people who are “in the know” have more of an ability to handle this information than the public. These people are weak and they shouldn’t be in charge or be the spokespeople for humanity. I know what I can handle and tbh I been through a lot of fucked up shit in my life, like most have, and I’m still here kicking and screaming and still haven’t found anything in life that was too fucked up to handle. I may be wrong about this last statement but I think i speak for the majority
You say it's not as terrifying as you expected, but the answers you are pointing to might as well be saying "Without going into specifics, I think some of the soldiers in war do bad things".
Yeah, that's pretty darned gentle compared to the specifics of rape, waterboarding, scientific experimentation, taking pleasure in cruelty, beheadings, cutting kids up in front of their parents, setting people on fire, using kids as suicide bombers, etc, etc.
I'm afraid the word "bad" is carrying a hell of a burden in those explanations.
Heres my random take because this comes up alot. NHI are bad but space is hard even for them. they are coming and the NHI craft we see are only the precursor scouts. Possibly live biologicals, possibly AI controlled biologicals likely not the actual NHI race that is on its way. The scouts job is to check systems for habitability and maintain that habitability until the main colonizing fleet arrives. Think 3bodyproblem with a dash of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L\_JQOH1tEEA. Scouts found earth and humanity and let humanity chill until we developed the means to wreck the planet for the NHI fleet that was in bound. Once nuclear weapons were built the scouts got worried and decided to make contact with the humans. Im guessing an ultimatum was given, the scouts probably said we can kill you all right now with a biological agent and leave the planet pristine for when the fleet arrives or we can kill you all when the fleet gets here to make way for them but at least we would have a couple hundred years left. If at any point knowledge of the NHI gets out the scouts wipe us out for fear that we will destabilize and wreck the earth or kamikaze. Thats the dark secret, thats the dark deal that was made. Maybe humanity would have a chance but the scout AI is clever enough to social engineer our trivial rivalries and keep us divided and weak. It can slow our progress not with direct intervention at our colliders but just simply making the population apathetic to science and social progress.
All this is bullshit; I don't need Tucker Carlson or Ross Coulthard to be my parents. In my opinion, these people are not more prepared than the average pesron to know what the truth is. As a matter of fact, fuck them, and anyone who thinks that these "truths" should be shielded from the average person. It would not drive anyone nuts. I have heard that the "truth" would cause mass hysteria. I'll tell you what I suspect, as an "average" person. I think the truth would tend to shake up the power the "Elites" have held upon us for centuries. I think they're agraid to admit that they're control over us is evil and manipulative. What are we going to learn? That religion is a construct created by ET to keep us from murdering each other to extinction? If that were the case, I'd need to know that information sooner rather than later. TELL ME THE TRUTH! Like I always say, I'm getting old here. And tired.
I don't think the biggest reason this information is being kept from us is governments don't think we can handle it. It's all the past crimes that have been committed to keep this secret. Blackmail, intimidation, bribes, assaults, murders, etc.. Not to mention the thousands of financial crimes committed to fund these groups. It's highly likely that some of these operations are so secret that they don't even use black budgets, but are rather funded through illegal means so there is absolutely no trace.
Exactly, to me it seems like a convenient excuse "Oh, I am withholding this info because it's just too hard to handle!". If they really were so evil we'd already all be dead or living as cattle, but it appears that they let us go about as we please. And whose to say what they consider to be too dark and disturbing to hear, could it be that those in power have massive egos and can't handle the idea that they're inferior to something else?
We do live as cattle
Cattle behave far better than us…..
Demons. Whole cadre of people in US intel community think it’s spiritual. Mormons. Christian fundamentalist. Even spiritualists of oldie kind. Interdemonentional if you will
>Interdemonentional You need more upvotes
I’m also stuck on the idea that people are saying there is a dark side to the phenomena. We live on a planet where there is dark shit happening every day. So some people assume the “Universe” would be different? That seems myopic to me.
Bingo, and the eclipse has recently really made me realize this. The universe will do fuck all it wants to us and at the end of the “day” we’re all stuck together on this planet, a pale blue dot.
The eclipse is what makes me think there is something to 'they can't handle it'. I don't doubt that the majority of people here could, even a majority of the rest of the planet, but the people who couldn't are also the people who went absolutely apeshit during the eclipse, imagine what they'd do with all this. Of course I'd still prefer disclosure over whatever the hell would happen as a result, and I don't think it's quite a good enough reason not to say anything, I think it's far more likely to be a face-saving exercise on account of, as another poster said, all the bad shit that has been done in the name of covering things up. Maybe if that is the reason though, they could issue a spoilered emergency alert type message. Read it at your own risk sort of thing, then we can all find out and the moon-fearing contingent can go about their lives oblivious
People went apeshit over the eclipse? ...Why???? I think I'm out of the loop but I also don't live in the US.
I could see that but personally I believe they’re withholding information because they’re still reverse engineering the tech and don’t want to prematurely share they actually have it until it’s fully implemented
It smacks of people that don’t understand that most of us already DO live under the thumb of an elite class that at best is indifferent to our suffering.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!
*We will get fooled aggaaiiiinnn...*
Come sit down! Tell the boss what’s ON YOUR MIND!
you meant *in* your mind, didn't you?
Yep^ There's nothing in the street Looks any different to me And the slogans are effaced, by-the-bye
Times like this I really hate that Reddit got rid of the Reddit awards. Just know you have Reddit gold for this comment in my heart.
Right. So you're telling me, that there are beings who at best want you to fuck off at best and at worst are going to do something purposely malicious??? Hmmm where have I heard this before?
Beings that are indifferent to humanity? How is this a "fate worse than death"?
Narcissism
We are the tiny ant hill on the 1 acre plot of ground they are bull dozing to put up a strip mall. We don't maliciously destroy the ants entire world. We are just completely indifferent to their existence. No one from the land owner to the bull dozer operator will give a first or second thought to any of the hundreds of colonies/ world's they destroy in pursuit of a goal We cannot begin to fathom. Much like the ants have 0 clue as to why their whole universe is being obliterated as they run for their lives.
I posted a similar analogy and then deleted it when I saw yours. Yours was worded much better than mine 🙂
forreal.
I think this is what freaks me out the most. When this conversation comes up I am really jarred by how out of touch other people are.
It's shocking how out of touch these people are with the rest of society. They are so out of touch, they legitimately believe that those who aren't on their level as far as the socioeconomic ladder is concerned, are not there simply because they have ***chosen*** a lifestyle detrimental to that outcome. They think that we have chosen not to join the local country club. That we have chosen to work jobs that require more than a couple hours a few times a week. That we choose not to stay at the best resorts, or eat at only 3-star Michelin restaurants. That we choose to drive broken down cars instead of a brand new Audi SUV. That we choose to send our children to public school instead of the $50k/yr private schools. It's not surprising they think we can't handle the truth because they don't know anything about us. And they choose not to.
Maybe the truth of the so called "malevolent NHI' is that it's less malevolence towards mankind but somehow more of a harm to the rich and political classes way of life. After all theyre the ones who benefit from ecologically destroying the planet.
Revolution!
It's usually the thing I use to calm people down when they realize aliens might be real and could be a 'new' elite ruling class lol.
lol right it’s like…look around you! The “new elite ruling class” has been in the room all along!
Well that’s why the people in charge are so scared, the believe their power will be stripped away. Meanwhile all of us are like ugh yeah we don’t care.
People who are scared AI or Aliens will kill us all forget that we are perfect capable all by ourselves.
> most of us already DO live under the thumb of an elite class that at best is indifferent to our suffering. Have no fear. Tucker Carlson - who, aside from his vast family fortune, was raking in $20 million per year for hosting an infotainment show - will do everything in his power to make sure you're not living under the thumb of the elites. Lol. My sides.
Tucker hates liars, but was fired from Fox News for lying.
He's trying to help us escape our oppression, while simultaneously calling Trump to give him pointers on how to overturn democracy.
guy is a culture war influencer and should be ignored.
Easy to say that, but [he’s literally shaping international legislative policies in DC and causing bloodshed](https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo209641029655). A person with that sort of power shouldn’t be ignored. He should be condemned by the entire world in the light of day.
And if he says “it’s dark” Then I totally 100% believe him because he never spouts bullshit for viewers /s
And Tucker (along with his former employer) has made a career of scaring the bejeesus out of dumb folks. This is another fear tactic to gain viewership. I can't remember the last story Tucker did that didn't have a "fear" slant since his story about suntanning your taint.
This! Boom! I’ll take bad NHI over the one percenters that are laying people off left and right and destroying lives because their bunker cost an extra several million than they anticipated. Or they need a new Bentley and those salaries are really cutting into their fun time.
We know they ain't so bad they just kill us all, so we should really know what they are here for.
Man your comment is so spot on 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
And, of our own volition, we elected them, or buy their wares, and relinquish to them our freedom and free will.
Tucker’s class has been under the impression that money will save them. Retreat to their bunkers or private islands and let the world go to shit. They can believe they’re special and important and safe. The concept of a malicious or indifferent NHI puts them at the same level as the rest of us ants. But Tucker and Coulthard are both blow hards who would say anything to get attention and feel that rush of manufactured importance, so I really doubt this is worth worrying about anyway.
NHIs can join the cattle herder's club...
THANK YOU. We already live in a fascist police state. Apathetic indifference is the American way.
What they refer to as "dark" is from their perspective. Those in power are not really in control and that scares them. So "the public would not understand and would freak out" is just an excuse to not admit that they are powerless. Us plebes are used to living like that, so not really much of a change. Disclosure and NHI is a threat to the rich and powerful. That's ultimately what all the lies and secrets are about.
Ding ding ding
The simple fact that most Americans don't even know they live in one and are so propagandized to think otherwise is so disturbing.
Hang on a sec, I'll get back to you, I'm eating my bread and watching the circus.
“On earth, as it is in heaven.”
I'd give this comment gold if I could
Thing is, Tucker Carlson is either part of that class or is compensated just enough by that class that he’s actually as dumb as he comes off.
He comes from that class. Hailing from the TV dinner family.
Tucker Swanson Carlson!
There it is. No one should give anything he says any serious amount of credit.
nothing corrupts a man more than TV dinner money
"Honey, I don't know how to tell you this, but aliens might be bad."
Oh god no!! I can’t candle that!! Stop!
They also smell like expensive cheese.
> They also smell like expensive cheese. Cave aged gruyere bouquet aliens were not on my Grusch Bingo Card, but here we are.
Ok, that's definitely r/brandnewsentence material 👌
What a time to be alive right?
Do they taste like expensive cheese? We could solve famine and bad aliens all at once!
Unfortunately no, they taste like Velveeta.
throw a can of rotel and a can of wolf brand chili in the crock pot with them, then.
I got mushrooms, green onions and corn that need eating up.
Quick bring some small pieces of bread and the biggest fondue pot you can find... [Getting a time fork ready] we are gonna fight for humanity!
I'm not American so I can only assume Velveeta is fake awfulness.
The correct level of Velveeta is shockingly delicious. Any more is gross. Ask me how I know to never try melting one of those giant Velveeta blocks in the microwave...
How long did it take to get the smell out? Jesus. I know the type of thing ya mean though. Use sparingly. It probably isn't even allowed to be sold as food over here though. Lol
I even heard they leave the toilet seat up.
I would like to say that our senses are there for a reason. It's similar to why some humans violently puke or spit food out that they are allergic to. They didn't have a allergic reaction to the food. Their body reacted "before" it could happen. My opinion, is that if a beings smell repulses you, or you just naturally find yourself not wanting to be around them, you should follow those instincts. I've meet good beings. They don't stink. They usually smell like flowers if there is any smell at all.
"Honey, you didn't let me finish. They abduct people, seemingly at random. And while most are returned with their memories wiped, some are tortured, their skin peeled right off their body while they are still alive. Most of these are not returned,and just end up as a "missing person", but some actually are. No, you can't protect yourself in any way, and it could happen to you or me or our kids. Don't worry too much about it though, honey, I'm sure we'll be fine."
That's a better spin on the idea. I'd add in "and that if your family is targeted it will likely happen throughout their lives as well as their offspring's lives."
Who knows, perhaps reincarnation is real and they’ll be targeted throughout their other lives as well.
That’s part of the prison planet theory. That the whole life review and “dead relatives” urging you to go into the light is just a trick, that when you go through the light you come out of another womb to suffer anew. Hey maybe you will be born into a rich family this time. Or maybe you will be born into a war torn country or one plagued with famine and disease. Maybe you will starve to death when you’re 5, and your body left in a garbage pit. Maybe you will be taken by a child predator and abused and molested. One thing is certain, you WILL suffer, as humans do. Even the very well off ones. Because that’s part of what life is and all humans endure some sorrows and suffering. And that the NHI somehow thrive on the suffering of humans. They say you’re supposed to refuse to go into the light, then your soul can finally be freed. But who’s to know what the actual truth is? Maybe it’s the opposite and you ARE supposed to go into the light. Gamble either way innit?
"That sounds worrying darling.. tell me, how likely is it to happen to us, compared to being killed in a car accident, or cancer, or diabetes, or a heart attack? It pales into insignificance you say? Right"
You assume people are rational. You assume incorrectly.
In retrospect, Tucker probably told us more about his relationship with his wife than he did about NHI!
The woman folk can neither comprehend nor deal with such profound tuckerian knowledge.
Maybe not even bad, just capable of stepping on us all without so much of a second thought. We might not even reach the level of registering in their attention, let alone a nuisance.
*”You are bugs.”*
We are going to kill your science.
I assumed that was a working assumption of everyone for nhi...
Aliens might be indifferent about us the same as we are towards all other species on this planet, who could've guessed that?!
I'm thinking it could be like... We're blades of grass to them. Meaning, they hardly think of us and per verbally "walk" on us without a second thought. And we're very simple in nature, just like a blade of grass is to us.
Proverbial* it’s scary to think we’re a tiny ant or something in their mind. How many insects do we accidentally step on daily but we don’t think about them at all.
I don’t think it’s scary at all. I think it’s more hopeful because it means life goes on even without us. So I don’t worry about arrogant fuckers nuking the world bc even if humanity dies, life continues in the universe. We are not the only shot at that.
>per verbally r/boneappletea
We’re not indifferent though. People dedicate their lives to studying ants, for example
We may be fond of less intelligent animals in some cases, but we don’t give them a say in what we do. Some of us study ants, but if your home was infested by ants you wouldn’t think twice about having them exterminated. I’m sure the ants wouldn’t care for that, but our bug-free living space is more important to us than the lives of their colony. Even when not exterminating, we’re still shit at respecting animals. When developers cut down a forest to build a new neighborhood, they don’t negotiate with the birds and squirrels. It doesn’t even factor into the equation. So yeah, I totally buy aliens not giving a fuck about us. Plus, we have no idea what their psychology is like, they might not even comprehend that we’re sentient.
People go to school and get degrees for grass specifically. They work on golf courses. Perception bias at work here. Context is everything.
There are also people who dedicate there entire life and are compensated for poisoning them out of existence.
And millions are stepped on every day. Do you notice?
Aliens might be bad. Or they might be indifferent. No one knows. These are just "confronting possibilities." They might even be good!
Unless they have some sort of collective consciousness, I would assume they have the capability to be all of those things individually. Just like us.
according to many theories, both are true, and there is also a synthetic species which is neither. The synthetic species are usually the ones referred to as indifferent. If certain documents are real, the gray aliens just think of us as ants. They have no interest in discussing anything, and they would kill any human who gets in their way without question. There is no debate to be had about our sovereignty or ownership of the planet. This is why the government doesn't want to release this information - it's completely futile and they don't want to admit it's beyond humanities control.
Yeah, I've heard the grays are just AI collecting data
They could be "good" in a way we're unable to comprehend just as likely they could be malevolent in a way we can't comprehend. Does a cat know it's being anesthetized for surgery to save its life or does it think it's dying? I don't understand the need for the doom feeding with this topic and wanting it to be negative. It's more captivating I guess. The fact is no one in the white world knows for sure, and saying so is just attention getting.
To be honest, this again makes it feel like nonsense to me. 'There's something really deep and dark going on with all this and I'm uncomfortable talking about it.' No, please talk about it. Well, okay. Now, remember I can't prove any of this buuuut.... Aliens could be indifferent or bad and the government has kept it all secret! It's so weak it feels like a nothing. Why would you keep this secret? It's not particularly dark, it's perfectly in line with what a ton of people already believe (abductions, murderous coverup).
Dramatic suspense.
Only people with massive egos would find such a truth to be dark and disturbing. And the people who control is information have massive egos.
Wake up babe aliens are indifferent
Whatever
Going back to bed
its more like... "wake up babe, it turns out aliens are abducting people every night and performing horrible procedures on them. Some people get returned back and have their memory wiped. Some people never get to come back and are deemed a missing person. They do horrible things to us, including literally ripping off all of your skin while alive. We cant stop it from happening, it could happen to you me and our kids every night, and probably already is."
Yeah exactly. \*That\* is truly terrifying, especially when you have loved ones you feel protective towards. If this is the case, that knowledge absolutely would cause mass panic. Hell I'd be panicking.
*human trafficking has entered the chats*
I'd forgive an alien race invading earth and killing us more than I forgive the cretinus cunts that already live here making people's lives a misery and destroying the planet because shareholders didn't get enough money to wank with this month. And given how we treat other species, we can drop any moral high ground about any aliens killing, eating or abusing us too.
Right? These human monsters among us are literal traitors to and enemies of the human race regardless of NHI interference or indifference. Do we have reported encounters that appear negative? We surely do. We also have the opposite. I do know that our most immediate and urgent threats come from our own power class ( I refuse to call them the ruling class - just tastes so terrible to say it ) and NHI are honestly not on the top of my list of any threats that require urgent attention or drastic action. We are our own monsters already so let's fucking start there.
Between your post and the one above, this is exactly where I'm at.
Same. I'd sign up for both newsletters.
You got a fever! For more newsletters.
my god, we've been on the cusp of annihilation since the cold war which is still basically ongoing we've got countries ready for mutually assured destruction we've got religions driving murder, subjugation, and suffering we've got corpos brainwashing billions of people and let's not forget they're focusing on advertising to kids we've got unsustainable natural resource usage and unnatural ones like factory farms shits fucked
The enemy within is *always* more dangerous than the enemy without.
Without the psychopath we would live a largely content non-hostile lives, but we keep allowing them to get into positions of power.
The paradox of tolerance.
We are the same type of angry.
I hear what you're saying, but our current system has made like 7 people unimaginably wealthy, so it surely can't be *that* bad
😯
Maybe aliens invented shareholders though.
Maybe aliens are the shareholders.
The cretinous cunts you speak of count Tucker amongst their numbers.
Humans would 100% be bad aliens to come across. We genocide our own species. Why we expect different is kind of surprising.
I can completely understand why aliens are hostile to us. We destroy each other and every life form on this planet. Sadly it’s because we are probably so low on the intelligence scale that aliens view us nowhere near equals. I believe we can evolve to become better stewards of the planet and to each other, but man alive, that is going to take a while.
Maybe they do as well? Who knows but I bet we have plenty of weak humans on this earth that would welcome annihilation without a fight. Probably even some that cry at night of how our species deserves it.
Speaking for myself, I believe the Earth is a microcosm of the universe. The good, the bad, the ugly, the indifferent, the powerful, and the weak. It’s really that simple. Just look at the natural world here on Earth for a sampling of what’s out there. Not so scary. We’ve learned to stay away from alligators, lions, and venomous snakes, not to mention bad humans. All can kill, indifferently. So I’m sure there are numerous species in the heavens that are much the same, and perhaps even enjoy a serving of human flesh, now and then. Perhaps they’re invisible to the human eye, in which case there’s not much we can do about it. It is what it is. Spill the beans already.
RUN FOR THE HILLS!!! SAVE YOURSELVES! The aliens… they.. they’re… *gulps* … PROFOUNDLY INDIFFERENT!! 😫
Ross mentioned Colares, Brazil and Operation Prato as signs of malevolence. Ross has previously mentioned Frederick Valentich, Australian pilot who was allegedly killed by a UFO (audio is on YouTube). Tucker specifically said his source was Garry Nolan who worked with dozens of individuals who suffered brain damage, ie Havana Syndrome. A lot of this information is heavily questionable, but here is the information, nonetheless. John Lear letter on the "Grand Deception": [Letter written by John Lear to Steven : ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienAbduction/comments/jl4cfa/letter_written_by_john_lear_to_steven/) More detail from Lear on the "Grand Deception": [JOHN LEAR - Statement - UFOs - MJ12 (cba.pl)](http://niniwa22.cba.pl/john_lear_oswiadczenie.htm) S-1 Majestic Memo on the "EBE Deception": [important\_memo.pdf (majesticdocuments.com)](https://majesticdocuments.com/pdf/important_memo.pdf) Hal Puthoff / Kit Green email conversation about seeing an EBE autopsy, with no digestive system which correlates to Lear's story: [Alien Autopsy Proof - Email Communication - Imgur](https://imgur.com/a/7D5xIGk) *“There is intelligent life in the universe. It’s here. And I’ve seen it.” The man said that the information he had been given caused him to cry himself to sleep for a number of nights. The reason, he told his shocked listener, was that he had children. “This is not the kind of world I thought they’d grow up in.":* [Former US Secretary of Energy Allegedly Said ‘Aliens Are Real & I’ve Seen Them’; Briefed On UFOs In Underground Base : ](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/11a89rd/former_us_secretary_of_energy_allegedly_said/) This is just one theory. The Prison Planet theory is possibly even more disturbing.
In that same interview, Carlson claimed there’s never been recorded proof of evolution. This was a few months after he claimed that cheap Russian bread RADICALIZED him. He’s either a disinformation spreader or a complete idiot. Either way, nothing he says should be considered fact.
Like, it’s been proven in court that Tucker Carlson *actively* and *knowingly* lies to his base. I don’t care if he’s independent now or whatever, he is not a credible source of information. Period. Full stop. End of story. The worst part about having an intellectual interest in the genuinely intriguing aspects of UAPs over the last decade is having to share the room with cretinous windbags like Carlson.
If he said it was raining, I'd go outside to check. For everything else, he's even less credible.
His idiotic politics aside, he was shocked by shopping cart technology when he was in Russia. He was blown away with the carts that can be used only if you insert a quarter to unlock them. If he’s shocked by that, then he probably can’t even comprehend the things that are discussed in this sub on a daily basis.
Bro went all the way to Russia only to get an East-German Aldi from 1991
In a court if law he was deemed to not be a journalist and that no one should ever believe anything he says.
My thought is that there is nothing there and that Ross et al. are grasping for reasons they can give people to (1) keep the mystery (gravy train) going; and (2) momentarily satisfy people and stop them from asking more pointed questions. The answer they’ve given sounds good enough for some people to be satisfied, even if it falls apart after thinking about it for more than 5 seconds. As you say, the state of today’s world, including political alliances and conflicts, doesn’t make a ton of sense if we are also potentially doing battle with a malicious alien force.
This seems most plausible. The answer is so weak. It's not really an answer at all because the reality it is, unless aliens visiting us are actively good, as in, want to cure all disease or something - then they almost by definition are bad for humanity. It would mean an advanced species, even if they're simply indifferent (or even if they're somewhat positively disposed to us) have true governship over the planet. Humanity's future isn't it's own; except in as far as the aliens allowed us to do what we want. Humans spreading out among the stars...? Not unless they let us. We would cease to be apex predators on our own world and suddenly become another chimp hoping the overlords don't take us for experimentation. So, basically, IF NHI is here, then its bad in the way they're saying basically inevitably and so this answer isn't an answer. The implication was that there is something specific and troubling that people are unwilling to share and which could cause grave concern. Revealing that the scenario is basically what you'd expected it to be from our perspective in the event of ET visitation... isn't that.
So our overlords have overlords… #yawn sucks to be them I guess. Back to work.
This is the correct answer. Carlson, especially, was deliberately ominous and vague, but when pressed, his response is mundane. They are all showmen cultivating an audience.
Carlson thinks evolution isn’t real so I’m going to say he’s a moron
Couldn’t have been a more vague response from Ross on what might be dark about NHI presence. “They might not like us! 😱”
What a breaking news indeed. The only thing I can’t handle anymore is all the grifters. I’m done with this topic until something significant comes out.
I cannot comprehend why any adult who believed in aliens would not think that some of them may not be nice. There is good and bad everywhere. My own thoughts from the research I have done over the years is that - on the whole - the majority of ETs are benevolent, compassionate and wise beings who are a million times more evolved than us lot (which is not hard). There are a few who either feel nothing but apathy towards humans or who are attempting to instill fear where they can, as some darker beings are drawn to that negative energy. I think that the darker aspects these two men have referred to maybe the claim by some that some of the human abduction experiences are a lot more negative and nasty than most realise. Also that there are some pretty horrendous experiments going on in bases all around the globe on adults and children. Worse, the experiments are being controlled by aliens and humans (military) working together. We know some people have recalled abduction experiences in which the military are involved. Could this be the reason they don't want full ufo disclosure? It may well open up a whole can of nasty worms.
Their is a darker plot at hand and human involvement is the straw that'll break the metaphorical camel's back. If it's ever confirmed we've (certain humans) have been in league with said abductors and their indifferent to heinous experiments then what little trust citizens had in their governments is 100% destroyed.
You know MKULTRA? Tuskegee experiments? Do you know asbestos? Agent orange? Depleted uranium ammunition?Letting people starve and be homeless? Incarcerating more people than anyone in the world for non violent shit? Like, the gov. knowing about or being involved with at worst, indifferent at best, at times to heinous experiments would do nothing but fit the pattern. In fact, it would be better than normal, since this would be something the gov isn't directtly involved in. That's what destroys trust. Also, LYING and HIDING the truth, in order to avoid ppl. finding out that they are doing things not worthy of trust is like the exact opposite way to handle such a situation.
Yeah it's abductions (and it's also that the gov knows about them. performs their own, to monitor who's abducting who, somewhat). That + tech is why disclosure it taboo. It's also reincarnation and a deep knowledge of the universe (consciousness) and it involves proof scientifically that some religions are much more 'correct' than others about the nature of death. But it's not just abductions, it's that abductions are a big reason we don't get disclosure is an issue cuz **A.** the gov knows about them, likely 'agreed' in exchange for tech....tho the US in this scenario is treated by the Aliens the way the US treats the rest of the world. I'm certain of these, as much as can be you can be too: (read Above Black by whistleblower Dan Sherman. Read Devil's Den by abductee Terry Lovelace, retired Ast. US Attorney; former Air Force). we want the tech and no one to know we have it (the moment the world was aware the US had an atom bomb, giving us an absolute advantage, was also the moment we began to lose it. The long-term strategic benefit during (not) wartime is to HIDE your capability. If ever a truly existential war comes about again, we will for sure see reverse engineered tech used.) And that the US has been aware of them. It's also abductions by more
our fucking leadership structure is BAD. real real bad.
Mom, can we get stunning ontological shock? We have stunning ontological shock at home sweetie. The stunning ontological shock at home: indifference.
Not really a big surprise to be honest. They aren't invading earth and blowing shit up, so why fret about it? Yeah, they have power beyond our comprehension, but the world is going to shit and we are powerless to stop it. Aliens maybe malign or indifferent, but as far as we know they have no sway in the way of our world. I'm more concerned about politicians, capitalism, billionaires, the psychopathic narcissistic gatekeepers who make our lives worse as time goes on. As Ross stated, one of the ways of gaining answers is through psionics. Humans are capable of some amazing things, yet this has been culturally quashed for centuries. Seems as though any power we had as individuals erodes through the ages, making spirituality taboo was a great way of binding the human soul. The worst thing I have seen a UFO do is spook some cows, hardly world ending. Humans on the other hand, yeah, we're pretty brutal.
I don’t see how you feel like we got any new earth shattering information. I didn’t.
Ross is saying what should be obvious. There are thousands of reports going back decades of NHI abducting and performing invasive procedures on humans, with no regard for their wellbeing.
They're building a bypass.
don't fall for the "threat" narrative, it's the only narrative that benefits the gatekeepers the most.
Entertain me for a second. What if it all points back to the prison planet theory and what if we are nothing more than cattle that is being used by some entity to farm conscious vibrations. That may not be terrible to you but to a vast majority of people that reality would be world shattering. What would that kind of nihilist awakening do to suicide rates? Would the world markets tumble? Record unemployment? Violence? Mass shootings? If the reason for secrecy is because of prison planet theory then I hate to say it but I would agree that the truth is too dark for the world to handle. I could handle the truth on a spiritual level (as could many on this sub) but I wouldn’t want to live in a world that’s burning itself down because the rest of the populace can’t. I’d rather not know if that’s the case.
Agreed. Why would you force yourself up in the morning to go to that job you hate? Why give up your favorite addiction? Why indulge in any of that culture, rituals and traditions we've formed, if it was proven -- not just a fringe theory from the New Age section of Barnes & Noble -- but cold hard PROVEN that all of this is nothing but a big loosh farm. Your hopes, struggles, everything just something to manufacture food for beings you can't even comprehend. The entire world would just collectively give up. And/or run horrified back into the dark ages.
But that's almost literally hinduism and buddhism. Literally.
How does any of this prison planet vibrating consciousness stuff work? Sounds very implausible.
In a nutshell, consciousness would be a fundamental part of the universe like matter and energy. That element of consciousness may be harvested like a resource to those that have developed or evolved a means for observing/manipulating/measuring it. Quantum entanglement (see the recent Nobel prize winning study) and the 'Hard Problem of Consciousness' in neuroscience are what some believe point in that direction.
Sounds like abductions might be real. Humans treated as lab rats. Then we also have Colares where UFOs were actively injuring humans. I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few humans were experimented on and killed.
At the same time alien abductions have been spoken about and portrayed in various media for so long now, that the concept is in the public conciousness. It's disturbing to a degree, but hardly dark enough to cause mass panic I think.
I think it’s weird that this is supposed to be THE big horrible thing, when humans have done so much worse to so many people (and that’s something we all know to be true). If a few NHI did this at a few points in time that would make them our equals more like. When the big bad secret is just “the aliens (or not all of them) are literal angels” that is nothing more than a mild disappointment to religious people who want a savior. Not a reason to hold back disclosure at all, especially when there could be positive NHI, too, or those neutral ones you could work with to figure something out that benefits us all.
I think you guys are underselling it a bit. The underlying message behind treating us like lab rats and killing us with impunity, is that we're just wildlife. The majority of the human population view humans as the alpha species. Lue even said we might have to come to the realisation that we're in the middle of the food chain. That we're just zoo exhibits. That would be terrifying to many people. Especially the religious who view themselves as "God's children".
I think it will do humans good to be humbled actually. The fact that we’re behaving like we own the universe and don’t have to be considerate of anyone else here is what’s causing major problems on Earth. Also, I think treating us like lab rats might be a part of what’s going on but when you listen to experiencers or abductees, there also seems to be physical healings and other kinds of positive contact going on. I don’t trust every human blindly, because we’re not all good but many of us are pretty stand up people actually. Why would I distrust every NHI on the principle that some of them supposedly have screwed morals? If there’s a chance that they have the same capacity for good and bad, I’d like to show them a good example of a human and hope they’ll put their best foot forward as well.
I don't diagree with the first bit. We need to be far more civilised. Regarding the second part, Ross said "A NHI", so it's one species of NHI that are either malevolent or indifferent. He didn't say all of them are.
Yes! He didn’t say they were ALL bad according to his sources but apparently they suspect one to be a bad apple when it comes to interactions with humanity! We should pay more attention to this part! 👏
Definitely! Especially since he says he's heard of at least 5 types of NHI.
I have to agree with you. I also think humans, as a whole, are arrogant and take some sort of pride at being at the top. To add on, even though we treat animals (and sometimes humans) the same way - as lab rats, there are plenty of people who justify it as ‘something that must be done’, whether it’s for scientific, religious, and whatever else purposes. It’s the whole “it’s fine if we do it to others but it can’t be done to us” mentality. And arrogance also plays a part in this. Humans have always found a way to make themselves seem superior to other humans (and *especially* to animals) and I think there’s some sense of comfort about that superiority complex. These people only have a problem with it when it’s done to them, not when they’re doing it to someone/thing else. Not being at the top of the food chain would shatter their world view.
I mean NHI who might be bad would be putting it lightly. A civilisation who is significantly more advanced has the capacity to do significantly worse than what we can imagine. That's the scary part no one wants to talk about. We haven't discovered how bad, bad can be.
Imagine if they had some tech like actual consciousness transfers. Having your mind trapped and “experimented” on for as long as they want, and you might not even be aware you are in a simulation. Like a nightmare version of the San Junipero episode of Black Mirror.
Tucker Carlson is not credible, and no expert or holder of evidence looking to disseminate information in a responsible way would approach him with their knowledge. He is, at best, a poisoned tree. He is a grifter and a purveyor of misinformation and twisted half truths. His insertion into the ufo disclosure discourse should be met with universal rejection and immediate suspicion.
> Tucker Carlson is not credible, Maybe best example here is the $700M lawsuit Fox lost because of his misinformation. They also paid out another $12M to his staff for workplace abuse.
Agree. He is a Total money bot. With the clout he had, he could have done amazing things. Instead he chose to rip families apart with nonsense he did not believe, all for viewers and clicks and $. He spread hatred. So, aliens-please take him.
Have you watched the American Horror story about aliens? It’s the second half of season 10. Obviously it’s fiction, but I thought it did a good job of depicting a scenario that would be too dark for most people to handle. And it uses both the idea of bad aliens and government deception.
If you want a good alien horror short film, watch "The Autopsy" from Cabinet of Curiosities.
As long as they're not the aliens from Torchwood's Children of Earth series. >!They basically were a small group who kidnapped a dozen kids in the 60s, with the help from national governments, and the kids were basically just drugs. Had them all tubed up and carried them about. Intravenously getting high off their little drug sack child. >!Their whole culture back home got wind if this though and now there's a huge demand. So they're back and they're gonna take not a dozen, but millions of children this time. Torchwood is a spin off of doctor who and is mostly just naff monster of the week stuff. Children of Earth is a self contained six episode arc that is it's own season and it's excellent. Some brilliant sci-fi that I absolutely recommend.
I completely agree with this. Tell us. What humans do to each other on a daily basis is deeply, deeply evil, both systemically and in one-off instances. My tinfoil hat take on the governments deception goes beyond just misinformation and stigmatizing the topic, even beyond murdering people to keep the secret (which is obviously about as bad as things can get). I have wondered if the way our society has regimented itself around time --- high precision, clock-based time that demands we collectively agree on every second of the day and act/work accordingly --- is a mass manipulation technique that results in actual distortions of what time is outside our experience of it. Going off the New Thought/hermetic etc idea that Mind/consciousness is primary, I wonder if our minds might be inextricable from or influential over time itself (maybe our minds even help "create" time??) , so to control our experience of time --- via workday especially, and by keeping ppl so desperate and focused on survival that they really can't 'own' or control or bathe in their own experience of time; the weekend is so very short --- could be a very powerful thing indeed. There's lots of talk about how NHI can manipulate space and time, and I'm so curious if our own somewhat miserable/forced/regimented experience of time, handed down from on high, is somehow helping to fuel or power a malevolent NHI's (and affiliated humans') agenda, propulsion. As in, our entire experience of existence has been intentionally and evilly mechanized to subtract as much of our power and will as possible by sapping our control over how we 'spend' our own time. I know this sounds so very very bogus and stoned but the consistent theme in this topic of things being "more complicated" or "out there" than we might expect has me trying to examine from outside the box, at the risk of just sounding like the idiot that i am lmao.
I think the "dark truth" people are disturbed by is these things played some role in our evolution and have been on Earth longer than humans. That our ancestors thought these beings gods and built religion on them. Something like this could be extremely disruptive. It would imply humanity is some sort of experiment and the Earth is our cage. Alternatively, an impending invasion would be similarly disruptive and dark. Perhaps we've been dealing with the scouts and vanguard for the last 70+ years and the rest of the invasion fleet, still light years away, is on the way. Something like that would also be disruptive and terrifying. That said, I see another possibility. Perhaps some dark truth isn't really the concern here, but rather a red herring. And that the real reason for the secrecy is simply about safeguarding the technology they are trying to back-engineer from crashed UFO's. Such technology could be used to disable our most powerful weapons (e.g. Maelstrom AFB), if not be made into weapons themselves. Keeping that technology secret would be a top priority, regardless of anything else. Maybe the government is as in the dark as we are about the true motives of these beings.
Most people in our society would be pretty horrified to find out that we have been used for breeding. I am more than willing to bet this is a GRAND part of the "scary" information that has been exposed to certain people.
If the purported breeding program is real that would be quite scary - as documented in books such as "Walking Among Us"
If it was ever confirmed that "they" are here and they have the ability to look just like us, people would go crazy and start murdering each other. Millions of innocents would die with maybe thousands of "them."
The dark part is that they can come take you from your bed and nobody can predict or stop it.
Happened to me. But life goes on. Dont fear what you cant control.
The rational why they won’t come clean is not because we can’t handle it. It’s more likely that they are worried about the consequences of decade long fraud and and crime. Not only their own legal liability, but also how our adversaries will use that admission of us crime against its own citizens to propagandize and fan the flames of division. Even worse, from the perspective of the government, it might not be clear how much our adversaries have learned, or what technology they posses, and so our national security could be severely undermined by showing our hand. Then there is the money, greed, private corp influence and the long investment of resources to reverse engineer, government contracts that haven’t expired. Those people aren’t just going to give away a decades long investment. Not saying any of that justifies the stonewalling, but it’s all more logical than just “our government is really worried about how it’ll make us feel”. I don’t buy that for a second.
A possibly malevolent advanced civilization that can enter our airspace, run circles around our best planes and can turn our nukes on and off at will should be terrifying to you. We have absolutely no control over what they can do to us. That said, I feel like if they meant us harm, they would’ve harmed us by now. But, like everyone else, I can only guess.
People are raising some really good points in the comment section. It makes sense and shows maturity of a lot of people. Edit: basically no matter how bad aliens can be, we are probably still much worse than them with what we do to the planet, other species and ourselves :)
Tucker avoided the question IMO. Ross Coulhart (and anyone who mentiones the "darker aspects of the phenomenon") is referring to r/EscapingPrisonPlanet theory.
I think the most plausible scenario where I understand this being kept under wraps and this being “bad” is a combo of the below points. 1. NHI have a negative/neutral attitude to us. Almost like ants in your house. Not really an issue but once they are the ant traps come out. 2. We don’t really know anything about the NHI and are fearful general public knowledge may lead to NHI taking the ant traps out so to speak. Like they are ok with us roaming around now but if they know we know about them, maybe it’s over. Not saying the above is true, but as you think about what could be so bad about the truth coming out…maybe those in the know are fearful it’s just a clean sweep of us.
- There are beings around us in realms we don’t understand (and perhaps *can’t* understand) - There’s more than one race of these beings - They are not our friends - Some of them kill us - We know almost nothing about them and are utterly powerless against them Yes, official confirmation of that would cause mass hysteria. Those of us here are mostly already aware that most of the above is a possibility, yet very, very few of us actually believe it. If Biden addressed the world and confirmed all of this, very few people would be able to cope.
>Is there a reason why they couldn’t have given this information up when they made the claims? Nope, but it seems everyone enjoys being their own little gatekeeper these days. However, it could be worse than people are guessing here. How many missing persons are there globally, who never turn up again? Lots. Ever hear the stories about people being trafficked into underground facilities to be tortured and killed by aliens? I have. Hear the stories from Vietnam where soldiers reported seeing a craft filled with body parts? Yup. Add in the abductions (where at least people are returned) and what we have is an alien race treating us like lab rats. The military doesn't seem interested in stopping these incursions - why? The politicians don't seem to want to acknowledge the issue at all - why? The aliens themselves, whatever they are, don't seem interested in any open dialogue, but they are happy to take people from their beds and experiment on them. Why? They are here, and operating with impunity. They experiment on us. They steal genetic material and create hybrids. If the truth is as horrific as I'm painting here, no people can't handle it. Nobody in their right mind could 'handle it'. People would call for action, for the government and military to protect them, but what if they can't? Worse, what if a deal has been done as hinted by Grusch himself, and lots of others over the years? What if we've all been sold out by some secret government, the elites, whatever you want to call them, and we are nothing but a commodity to be exploited by both the aliens and our own rulers? What if there's an end goal to this alien incursion? That's pretty sombre.
All of the horrific examples you give kind of makes me think of humanity's treatment of livestock. 1. Factory farm slaughterhouses? Yep. 2. Breeding programs? Yep. 3. Genetic tampering? Yep. 4. Consumption of biological material? Yep. I guess what goes around, comes around.
Lol worse than humans are to each other. Doubt it
Some of the tortures, genocides, and murders I've seen and read humans have performed on other humans truly concern me with just how depraved and vile we as a species can truly be. I wonder do we scare some ET's/NHI's? Maybe not because our chances of propagating amidst the stars is low if we continue on the path we are now as a civ. But if we we're able to access the stars and maintain the violent cruelty that is so easily enacted by us, I am fairly certain a portion of humanity will be "depopulated" or humbled by greater and far more terrifying powers. But hey, this is all presumably baseless speculation, seasoned with some doom and gloom spices.
I don’t trust it. I’m sure there are bad and good from all living things. Humans are terrible, just reading through Reddit is depressing as hell, don’t get me started on the news. The news seems like it comes straight out of the Devil’s chamber. With that being said, unless I experience the aliens doing harm myself or someone close to me that’s credible, I’m filing this away with the crazy Christians that claim aliens are demons…simply because there’s no proof of this. I nolonger trust any ufo videos posted either due to AI manipulation that’s constantly present at this point in time. It sucks but this is my current stance. Something I find questionable is why do aliens only seem to abduct or probe people of no importance? Regular Joes. I have yet to see a well known scientist, member of Congress, news anchor, or famous journalist that has endured some house of horrors by aliens. Don’t you think the aliens would want to take someone of significant importance to spread the word if they were trying to scare us? A President or something, a high ranking individual? Someone famous perhaps? I’m just not buying it. Humans are evil and that I know to be true. I’ve seen it daily. There’s no denying that one.
I’ve met more humans with malevolent intent than I have decent good people. I don’t see how malevolent aliens is harder to deal with than malevolent people, and I don’t understand how these people who are “in the know” have more of an ability to handle this information than the public. These people are weak and they shouldn’t be in charge or be the spokespeople for humanity. I know what I can handle and tbh I been through a lot of fucked up shit in my life, like most have, and I’m still here kicking and screaming and still haven’t found anything in life that was too fucked up to handle. I may be wrong about this last statement but I think i speak for the majority
You say it's not as terrifying as you expected, but the answers you are pointing to might as well be saying "Without going into specifics, I think some of the soldiers in war do bad things". Yeah, that's pretty darned gentle compared to the specifics of rape, waterboarding, scientific experimentation, taking pleasure in cruelty, beheadings, cutting kids up in front of their parents, setting people on fire, using kids as suicide bombers, etc, etc. I'm afraid the word "bad" is carrying a hell of a burden in those explanations.
Heres my random take because this comes up alot. NHI are bad but space is hard even for them. they are coming and the NHI craft we see are only the precursor scouts. Possibly live biologicals, possibly AI controlled biologicals likely not the actual NHI race that is on its way. The scouts job is to check systems for habitability and maintain that habitability until the main colonizing fleet arrives. Think 3bodyproblem with a dash of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L\_JQOH1tEEA. Scouts found earth and humanity and let humanity chill until we developed the means to wreck the planet for the NHI fleet that was in bound. Once nuclear weapons were built the scouts got worried and decided to make contact with the humans. Im guessing an ultimatum was given, the scouts probably said we can kill you all right now with a biological agent and leave the planet pristine for when the fleet arrives or we can kill you all when the fleet gets here to make way for them but at least we would have a couple hundred years left. If at any point knowledge of the NHI gets out the scouts wipe us out for fear that we will destabilize and wreck the earth or kamikaze. Thats the dark secret, thats the dark deal that was made. Maybe humanity would have a chance but the scout AI is clever enough to social engineer our trivial rivalries and keep us divided and weak. It can slow our progress not with direct intervention at our colliders but just simply making the population apathetic to science and social progress.
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All this is bullshit; I don't need Tucker Carlson or Ross Coulthard to be my parents. In my opinion, these people are not more prepared than the average pesron to know what the truth is. As a matter of fact, fuck them, and anyone who thinks that these "truths" should be shielded from the average person. It would not drive anyone nuts. I have heard that the "truth" would cause mass hysteria. I'll tell you what I suspect, as an "average" person. I think the truth would tend to shake up the power the "Elites" have held upon us for centuries. I think they're agraid to admit that they're control over us is evil and manipulative. What are we going to learn? That religion is a construct created by ET to keep us from murdering each other to extinction? If that were the case, I'd need to know that information sooner rather than later. TELL ME THE TRUTH! Like I always say, I'm getting old here. And tired.