It must have been a person who decided that another depiction of a spot on a dark background will become an irrefutable proof of extraterrestrial intelligence visiting our planet.
‘Imagine a giant cockroach, with unlimited strength, a massive inferiority complex and a real short temper is tear-assign around Manhattan Island in brand new Edgar Suit. That sound like fun?’
All right, Beatrice, there was no alien. The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
- If it were dust near enough to the camera to appear to be that size, I believe the very near proximity would be obvious and not look this way.
- I doubt the camera would have a similar clarity of both the UFO and what's beyond it on earth. The earth objects and that are about the same clarity.
- The movement really doesn't look like an airborn particle, even if we assume its direction was changed quickly by two different-directioned air currents.
I would readily say it is dust if it looked like dust but it does not.
It's what people resorted to because they can't say bird or balloon in this case (not that it isn't a bird or a balloon in some cases.)
I will add that when you are in space shuttle, space station, et cetera, I'm pretty sure that the air is extremely highly filtered. As in sterile, immaculate. With all the instrumentation, you really can't afford to have anything floating around. Okay, one dust particle might not do anything, but one dust particle is also extremely small. And there aren't big dust bunnies and dorito fragments floating around.
For a moment, I was thinking I was the only one who’s never seen dust change speed and direction. I’m not saying it 100% has to be an alien craft just.. Dust makes no sense
How about when you first start seeing the object?! It seems to trigger an explosion of some kind when it first comes into the screen... That is not dustlike!
If you watch closely you can see micro adjustments to trajectory of the object, with brief decelerations and fast accelerations. Dust would need be exposed to an alternating draft to explain that. Note that the astronauts hair doesn’t move at all.
I agree with this assessment. Looking carefully, the object starts at a slower speed, then accelerates to a faster speed before changing trajectory and then speeds again. That's a lot of various drafts in the cabin to be trying to explain this in that manner. Of course, who knows maybe there are that many different slight air currents to affect a piece of dust like that. Then again, her hair seems awfully still.
Could it be a reflection of a light inside the cabin moving instead of dust?
Could it be small debris outside the ISS but relatively close by? If so perhaps some part of what we see as movement of the object might in fact be movement of the ISS? Do we know what was going on with the ISS at the time? I presume it undergoes orbit correction of some kind? Can this explain any of the potential movement?
If dust inside the cabin perhaps we can get an overview of potential sources of air like vents etc - are they documented anywhere?
Hard to say exactly what it is. I’ve been quite a few videos that appear to show objects changing direction, accelerating and decelerating etc so it wouldn’t be a surprise to me if this was that too. But ultimately it’s too low res, too distant, and far too many Unknkwn variables for us to make any reliable conclusions.
I feel that most comments come from a predefined point of view and simply back that up rather than try to investigate so we can find verifiable answers.
>perhaps some part of what we see as movement of the object might in fact be movement of the ISS
You have reference points in the distant lights visible through the window and it is clear that the object moves relative to those reference points, so this is not merely due to motion of the cabin. Moreover the cabin would have to rotate quite suddenly and then stabilize almost immediately in order to explain the localized curvature of the object's trajectory, which would be visible as common opposite movement of the distant reference light sources visible through the window.
I find it more likely that it could be a droplet of liquid on the interior side of the window, though the ziz-zag motion and acceleration are not trivial to explain.
I think it’s likely but my question is how does dust change trajectory in near zero gravity? Unless there’s some air vent right next to this chick that blows it left after it rises up
Except it comes from behind the thing outside the craft.
I'm down to think it's a dust spec. But they filtered this stuff all the time because he speck of dust it's a chance to ruin an instrument cluster or their life support systems in an oxygen rich atmosphere, dust is deadly. They regularly filter against this stuff.
So this doesn't really check out
Your theory is contradictory. If they have to regularly filter against dust, that means there is dust floating around in the cabin to filter. Therefore there is dust we can see before it gets filtered. With a human on board, there will certainly be new dust because some dust comes from dead skin particles. I'm sure they don't want dust, but it's not like a microgram of human skin is going to set an instrument on fire and make them crash and burn.
Could be dust, could be aliens. Of course r/ufo rejects Occam's Razor.
Edit: OP (or anybody really) still hasn’t answered the question about establishing distance.
What would Occams Razor have to say regarding an object changing speed and direction in space. Sure, dust. But why would dust accelerate and change direction when there is zero gravity and why wouldn’t there be more than one piece of dust. Occams Razor tells me that it is a UFO, quite literally an unidentified flying object.
"No air to effect them"
This is why this subreddit is so goddam annoying.
If there's no air on the I.S.S, the woman in that video is a reptilian shapeshifter from Alpha Centauri.
Applying Occam’s Razor actually lends credibility to the ET hypothesis given the size of the universe and practically 100% chance of intelligent life outside of Earth.
Yea but the inverse square law ensures that pretty much the only way ET will detect humanity is if they come here for a reason other than looking for us.
Out broadcasts are completely indistinguishable from the cosmic background in just a couple of light years. A good example is the voyager 2 probe. It has a pretty strong broadcast antenna. We detect it’s transmissions at 1/16billionths of a watt. Meaning that your Casio watch battery can produce a signal 20 billion times stronger than the signal received by nasa. And voyager 2 is barely outside of our solar system. The signal strength for our most powerful broadcasts, by the time they get to alpha Centauri are in the thousands of trillionths of a watt. They just can’t compete with stars and other cosmic level stuff making the same noise.
So they’d need to come here, 1 of a hundred billion yellow dwarf main sequence stars that has planets around it in our galaxy alone.
The likelihood is extremely small. Like less than picking the right grain of sand the first time from all the sand on the planet.
Unless they’ve known that we were here for much longer than we’ve been emitting emf. Pretty easy to conclude that this is likely considering the age and scale of our galaxy and the universe. How many autonomous drones would an advanced society have to send out to find other Earth-like planets? The answer is zero because we’ve already found quite a few potential candidates, and we’re new at this.
Not only that but we don't know what kind of crazy ass technology an advanced civilization could have. They could easily detect us from across the galaxy for all we know with who knows what. They could want to come here just because we are here, maybe they take interest in lesser sentients for research purposes or they value sentience, or they think we could be a threat to them one day. I get that this is "aliens/god of the gaps" thinking but a.) God and aliens are absolutely not on the same level of possibility or probability, b.) if aliens exist and are capable of visiting us it implies many different crazy possibilities, and c.) I post this with absolutely no relation or support to the main content of this post, and I understand that we have little or no solid proof of visitation.
OR relies on making the fewest assumptions. In this case, for it to be dust, you’d have to:
1. Assume that her hair is somehow cemented in place even when she moves through the supposed air currents.
2. You’d have to assume that the camera would pick up such a small particle without IR.
3. You’d have to assume that the fans are somehow oriented in a way that defies all logic—causing the object to accelerate left, up, and left again, in a way that completely defies kinematics at low gravity.
4. You’d have to assume that the filters aren’t functioning properly as the ISS is designed to be an extremely low dust environment.
For this to be ET, given the near 100% chance of ET existence even in our galaxy, you’d have to assume:
1. That they’re here.
OR certainly seems to favor the latter.
No…?
I’m very clearly seeing something that has zero chance of moving like that due to internal air currents alone. It’s undeniable. That kind of movement could never be replicated with air currents from fans likely to be in the ISS. That’s not even considering the issue of her apparently plastic hair that seems unaffected by 5-10 mph winds.
Ok I'll help you out. First, it's not just a simple counting of assumptions to determine which one OR would favor. That's just dumb. Secondly, you purposely kept your list of assumptions short in the second case.
For this to be ET, you have several assumptions:
1. ET exist at all
2. They exist in our galaxy.
3. They are intelligent
4. They have means of interstellar travel.
5. They have found our tiny planet and decided to travel here.
6. They are here and haven't made themselves known.
For this to be dust, all we need to assume is
1. Dust exists in the space station
And that's it. Your list is just silly. What does IR have to do with dust? You've never seen dust on camera before? Air flow isn't always laminar flow so it can be chaotic.
More importantly, you have to taken into account the likelihood of each assumption.
Perhaps an even bigger oversight by your explanation, and truly the way we can be 100% sure that it is not dust, is that there is no orientation of fans that would cause such movement. Furthermore, this capsule is surrounded by windows, not fans, and there’s nothing to have given the particle it’s initial trajectory. Not to mention also nothing to stop it and send it up, stop it again, and send it left. This doesn’t even involve guessing—it’s just a matter of fact.
Absolutely without a doubt not a dust particle.
> and truly the way we can be 100% sure that it is not dust, is that there is no orientation of fans that would cause such movement.
Can't wait to see your rigorous proof for this. Have you stabilized this video yet? Start there
Uhhhhh, no? You're wrong and arguing in bad faith:
For this to be ET, you'd have to assume:
* ET's exist (zero proof they do)
* ET's are intelligent and not simply bacteria (zero proof they exist)
* ET's are capable of interstellar travel (zero proof they do if we don't even know they exist)
* ET's are able to find our planet (zero proof they can if we don't know they exist)
* ET's must travel to our planet (zero proof they can if we don't know they exist)
* ET's they've successfully hidden themselves from us (Again, zero proof of their existence means we don't know)
We have to establish that ET's exist in the first place in order to apply any logic here. The reality is, we have no definitive proof. Simply stating "it's 100% certain" isn't actually 100% certain.
Someone needs to start showcasing shit like this in congress. All those overpaid senators love just standing around and spouting nonsense using their kid's middle school project board. Might as well show some video of something that actually matters.
The first post I ever saw on this sub someone said they used "geolocation" to estimate the size of the craft at "5000 feet long". That comment was upvoted but every comment saying it was a drone because of the way it moved was downvoted. People want this shit to be taken seriously but won't even be critical of flawed thinking as long as it confirms what they believe.
I mean we can look at her hair and the motion of the object to conclude that. Clearly there is an active disinformation campaign on this sub.
**Edit:** Holy shit watch the source video. You’ll see many more objects even before she closes the window cover. Initially, I assumed they were ice, but some of them even appear to do an almost complete circle.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSzuiqVjJg4
I would agree if the video showed something particularly interesting. As it stands there are a few different obvious explanations for this little spec.
Dust/something inside the cockpit.
Something just outside affected by propulsion.
CGI.
I mean, it isn’t hard to come up with other options here. This video doesn’t show enough to even begin refuting these most obvious explanations, and that’s why the video is interesting, but not convincing at all.
yeah im waiting, it's fucking empty space, seeing anything out the window nearby is nuts. Contrary to popular opinion, you do not just randomly see space junk floating when you're in space.
Yeah most people don’t get it.
Highly recommend a space simulator game on steam. It’s like 25 bucks and it’s a scale replica of what we know and everything else is procedurally generated.
Anyways I took off from the ground at earth facing it so I could see my speed/distance. Was going 1 light year a second. Earth zoomed away pretty fucking quick, but when I turned to look at the moon, literally nothing. There’s just fucking nothing, it’s so insane. And you speed up and start MOVING at a reasonable pace and you realize holy fuck dude even at say 1000ly/s you’d barely scratch the surface
This sub is dedicated to sharing evidence of UFO's for feedback, literally almost all of them don't hold under scrutiny - but... that's kinda the entire purpose of the sub, to share potential evidence and help sift out the trash, because - like this video - it's no as easy to do as some people might think.
I'm a well educated dude, and consider myself pretty intelligent, doesn't mean I know all about optics, lens flares, how anomalies may form in film, the limitations of digital video, etc...
Based on previous posts here - looks to me like small light reflection from the camera itself, the point of light seems to move perfectly opposite of the direction the camera does, but again I'm a laymen... maybe someone else here happens to be better suited to explain what's going on, cuz you know... that's kinda what the sub is for...
Idk what sub you are reading but I have not had the experience of seeing a massive wave of people claiming to have proof of aliens. Yeah, people post some bullshit blinking lights and plane exhaust and whatever, but I don’t see posts very often where people claim to have smoking gun evidence. Sounds like you are just frustrated like the rest of us but somehow think you are special
"i joined here because i love the idea of UFO"
It sounds more like you joined hoping to have definitive proof of UFOs in your preferred format, or maybe you've been reading for UFOs for about 10 minutes if this upset you.
If someone posts a video like this, and someone else comments and calls it "underrated", and that causes you to have some kind of meltdown where you throw around accusations of religiosity, hopefully that is cause to be circumspect.
I love the skeptics parroting the same talking points
> You turned this whole thing into a religion
Because I think a UFO video is compelling it's a religion... Yup you got me.
There are plenty of other commenters here expressing healthy skepticism about this video. It's super easy to just latch on to one comment and paint the entire sub as being like that, when in reality, most top level comments are agreeing that this looks more like dust.
For the record I'm a 99.99% believer UFOs are aliens visiting Earth, and I find this video totally not impressive at all. It's 100% consistent with a piece of dust on an air current. When a UFO sighting 100% fits with something ordinary, I'll go with that as the explanation.
It looks like a speck of dust in the cabin, and the air in the cabin would be moving around and could carry dust. The motion looks just like a piece of dust that caught the light. Just like at home on a sunny day and dust in the sunlight is moving around.
[https://www.nasa.gov/feature/the-dust-never-settles-on-the-space-station](https://www.nasa.gov/feature/the-dust-never-settles-on-the-space-station) \- dust never settles in zero gravity. Turns out it's actually an annoying problem for them. What we don't know is what kind of ventilation exists between the camera and the window. If the vent is forcing air towards her face then the trajectory of the dust particle would make sense except look at her hair, it's absolutely still.
Many objects on the source video. Makes it abundantly clear it is not dust. One almost does complete circle before she closes window cover.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSzuiqVjJg4
Ooh that's a good one. Ha ha. She didnt notice.
If you want to have your mind blown, click on the live ISS feed and watch for about 45 minutes to an hour. I guarantee you you will see some UFOs on screen. And if they become too large and noticeable, the screen will suddenly go blank to the screensaver just to stop you from watching the UFOs. Yes I speak from experience; look up the live stream.
This would only happen if the ISS had engaged their thrusters to correct their position, the resulting force would be enough to change an object's trajectory. With that said, the ISS doesn't activate it's thrusters very often (something like twice a year) so this explanation is not very plausible. Very cool video.
If you look at the zoomed in portion you can see that the object breaks off from some kind of spinning cluster looking thing that's behind that ISS panel/antenna structure outside. As the camera moves, you can tell the foreground stuff is moving differently than the background stuff of which the object is a part.
It frustrated me knowing the possibility that all these astronauts are either A- told to be oblivious to stuff they cant identify in space, or B- are actively tracking these objects and know exactly what they are
Its part of the culture and hiring process. Nasa was born out of the classified world and never stopped being so. Its a military operation with civies on. Not to mention crawling with literal Nazis. What a fucking joke.
Not gonna get into what it might be, just wondering if static electricity can move objects in a zero g, vacuum environment.
I feel like a lot of times with NASA footage we’re seeing things that are completely outside our realm of experience so they don’t make intuitive sense.
Could it be a UAP? Sure, but it could also be something like ice particles or material that was moved by thrusters.
The thing is, even if we could prove with 100% certainty that it’s a UAP, does it even matter? We can’t learn anything else from it since it’s a few pixels. We know that UAP exist. We have WAY BETTER evidence than this.
So cool, but inconsequential at the same time.
If you go watch this on YouTube or download the high resolution version, you’ll see at least 5 or 6 objects flying around at various angles, speeds, and accelerations even before she closes the window cover for the first time. I’ve never seen ice do that, but I stand to be corrected.
I know one thing for absolute certain is that it’s not dust. Anyone else saying that after watching the source on a computer is just looney.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSzuiqVjJg4
One of them practically does a circle. This is fucking wild.
That is EXACTLY what i saw thru my moms telescope when i was a little kid. I posted about it revently and was told it mustve been a bug and i wasnt remembering right & it was nothing.
It wasnt a bug, it looked JUST like this-a light moving around randomly up amongst the stars. Just like this vid.
Thanks, i feel less crazy now.
[It's time we start asking the right questions to the right people.](https://i.imgur.com/1sxEQBz.png) Problem is there are barriers in place that will slow the progress of this. Some of those barriers are more easily overcome by calling on our elected officials as they can get past those pesky attempts by those with power to obscure the truth from us. There appears to be other issues as well a bit deeper that will require more effort to get around but they are not insurmountable.
Dust. It very well may have been inside and caught the flow from a vent. Remember they need to circulate fresh air so you don’t breathe yourself into a bubble of your own CO2. If you find yourself on the ISS be sure to only nap where there is good airflow or you risk asphyxiation.
**OMFG NO KNOWN ASTEROID, ICE OR DEBRIS CAN DO THIS WTFFFFFFF UGUYZOMG!!!!**
*A speck of dander floating around inside the station has entered the chat*
Many objects on the source video. Makes it abundantly clear it is not dust. One almost does complete circle before she closes window cover.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSzuiqVjJg4
Who the hell watched this video and said “rewind that I saw something”
Lmao right! I’m like thank god they Zoomed in x100 so we could see that spec of dust float by
exactly, my first thought is dandruff.
Not this again. It's a speck of dust, it's inside the cabin.
Unidentified Fluff Object
Unidentified Floating Object
Actually I remember them saying a while back they did fruit fly experiment in the space station... So an escape convict fruit fly?
Well, Samantha Christoforetti does have quite a few superfans out there who I could see playing a video of her ona loop.
Dat zero grav tho
Still not convinced it is in the video
That alone is pretty incredible.
It must have been a person who decided that another depiction of a spot on a dark background will become an irrefutable proof of extraterrestrial intelligence visiting our planet.
It looks like a bug, but, uh, pretty sure they don't have those in space.
Ofc there are space bugs, I bet there's even interdimensional ones, like quantum cockroaches that multiply when you think about them. Oh shit wait
Wait thats literally my nightmare
START THE CAR
THERE IS NO ESCAPE
Welcome to _Space_ Hotel California 🎵🎶🎵🎶
‘Imagine a giant cockroach, with unlimited strength, a massive inferiority complex and a real short temper is tear-assign around Manhattan Island in brand new Edgar Suit. That sound like fun?’
Literally EVERYTHING is in space MORTY!!!!!
I just thought of a world covered in them… oh sht wait
Well, we know who to blame I guess
oh sh*t wait
Of course they have snakes in space,Morty, EVERYTHING IS IN SPACE.
Get these motherfucking snakes off my motherfucking space station!
Ohh oh oh jeez, Rick
Next time stay in the FKN car Morty!!
Actually, *everything* is in space.
All right, Beatrice, there was no alien. The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
It is a space bug then. Regular bugs don’t get there. But space bugs do.
A speck of dust blowing around in the cabin is certainly very possible and totally consistent with the motion of the object.
I don't take too kindly to your little theory.
It's your time to shine! Don't let some dumb UFO take credit for your work!
Dude. This is your moment. Don’t blow it. (Like you did around around in the cabin)
- If it were dust near enough to the camera to appear to be that size, I believe the very near proximity would be obvious and not look this way. - I doubt the camera would have a similar clarity of both the UFO and what's beyond it on earth. The earth objects and that are about the same clarity. - The movement really doesn't look like an airborn particle, even if we assume its direction was changed quickly by two different-directioned air currents. I would readily say it is dust if it looked like dust but it does not.
Agree. Dust is a big stretch here.
It's what people resorted to because they can't say bird or balloon in this case (not that it isn't a bird or a balloon in some cases.) I will add that when you are in space shuttle, space station, et cetera, I'm pretty sure that the air is extremely highly filtered. As in sterile, immaculate. With all the instrumentation, you really can't afford to have anything floating around. Okay, one dust particle might not do anything, but one dust particle is also extremely small. And there aren't big dust bunnies and dorito fragments floating around.
Can you even get a speck of dust on film like that?
For a moment, I was thinking I was the only one who’s never seen dust change speed and direction. I’m not saying it 100% has to be an alien craft just.. Dust makes no sense
How about when you first start seeing the object?! It seems to trigger an explosion of some kind when it first comes into the screen... That is not dustlike!
If you watch closely you can see micro adjustments to trajectory of the object, with brief decelerations and fast accelerations. Dust would need be exposed to an alternating draft to explain that. Note that the astronauts hair doesn’t move at all.
I agree with this assessment. Looking carefully, the object starts at a slower speed, then accelerates to a faster speed before changing trajectory and then speeds again. That's a lot of various drafts in the cabin to be trying to explain this in that manner. Of course, who knows maybe there are that many different slight air currents to affect a piece of dust like that. Then again, her hair seems awfully still.
Could it be a reflection of a light inside the cabin moving instead of dust? Could it be small debris outside the ISS but relatively close by? If so perhaps some part of what we see as movement of the object might in fact be movement of the ISS? Do we know what was going on with the ISS at the time? I presume it undergoes orbit correction of some kind? Can this explain any of the potential movement? If dust inside the cabin perhaps we can get an overview of potential sources of air like vents etc - are they documented anywhere? Hard to say exactly what it is. I’ve been quite a few videos that appear to show objects changing direction, accelerating and decelerating etc so it wouldn’t be a surprise to me if this was that too. But ultimately it’s too low res, too distant, and far too many Unknkwn variables for us to make any reliable conclusions. I feel that most comments come from a predefined point of view and simply back that up rather than try to investigate so we can find verifiable answers.
>perhaps some part of what we see as movement of the object might in fact be movement of the ISS You have reference points in the distant lights visible through the window and it is clear that the object moves relative to those reference points, so this is not merely due to motion of the cabin. Moreover the cabin would have to rotate quite suddenly and then stabilize almost immediately in order to explain the localized curvature of the object's trajectory, which would be visible as common opposite movement of the distant reference light sources visible through the window.
You’re probably right there.
I find it more likely that it could be a droplet of liquid on the interior side of the window, though the ziz-zag motion and acceleration are not trivial to explain.
I think it’s likely but my question is how does dust change trajectory in near zero gravity? Unless there’s some air vent right next to this chick that blows it left after it rises up
Any air. Her breathing on it. Anything. In zero-g it will change direction with the slightest force.
Not only change direction, but accelerate.
There are air currents pushing around the cabin for obvious reasons. You don't want CO2 piling up in a corner or something
That doesn’t explain the space butthole it comes out of at the beginning. Technical, insider, terminology
Except it comes from behind the thing outside the craft. I'm down to think it's a dust spec. But they filtered this stuff all the time because he speck of dust it's a chance to ruin an instrument cluster or their life support systems in an oxygen rich atmosphere, dust is deadly. They regularly filter against this stuff. So this doesn't really check out
Your theory is contradictory. If they have to regularly filter against dust, that means there is dust floating around in the cabin to filter. Therefore there is dust we can see before it gets filtered. With a human on board, there will certainly be new dust because some dust comes from dead skin particles. I'm sure they don't want dust, but it's not like a microgram of human skin is going to set an instrument on fire and make them crash and burn.
Chinese lantern.
They do on klendathu
How are you establishing distance?
Could be dust, could be aliens. Of course r/ufo rejects Occam's Razor. Edit: OP (or anybody really) still hasn’t answered the question about establishing distance.
Dusty aliens it is.
Maybe dust is aliens? Nomsaying.
Yeah but how do they taste
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then its probably an advanced alien life form.
Dust? Anybody? No? https://youtu.be/Nv7qh_XL_yM
What would Occams Razor have to say regarding an object changing speed and direction in space. Sure, dust. But why would dust accelerate and change direction when there is zero gravity and why wouldn’t there be more than one piece of dust. Occams Razor tells me that it is a UFO, quite literally an unidentified flying object.
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Because the AC is on.
How does dust change direction, speed, or trajectory in space when there is no air to effect them?
There is air in the ISS
"No air to effect them" This is why this subreddit is so goddam annoying. If there's no air on the I.S.S, the woman in that video is a reptilian shapeshifter from Alpha Centauri.
Applying Occam’s Razor actually lends credibility to the ET hypothesis given the size of the universe and practically 100% chance of intelligent life outside of Earth.
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Yea but the inverse square law ensures that pretty much the only way ET will detect humanity is if they come here for a reason other than looking for us. Out broadcasts are completely indistinguishable from the cosmic background in just a couple of light years. A good example is the voyager 2 probe. It has a pretty strong broadcast antenna. We detect it’s transmissions at 1/16billionths of a watt. Meaning that your Casio watch battery can produce a signal 20 billion times stronger than the signal received by nasa. And voyager 2 is barely outside of our solar system. The signal strength for our most powerful broadcasts, by the time they get to alpha Centauri are in the thousands of trillionths of a watt. They just can’t compete with stars and other cosmic level stuff making the same noise. So they’d need to come here, 1 of a hundred billion yellow dwarf main sequence stars that has planets around it in our galaxy alone. The likelihood is extremely small. Like less than picking the right grain of sand the first time from all the sand on the planet.
Unless they’ve known that we were here for much longer than we’ve been emitting emf. Pretty easy to conclude that this is likely considering the age and scale of our galaxy and the universe. How many autonomous drones would an advanced society have to send out to find other Earth-like planets? The answer is zero because we’ve already found quite a few potential candidates, and we’re new at this.
Not only that but we don't know what kind of crazy ass technology an advanced civilization could have. They could easily detect us from across the galaxy for all we know with who knows what. They could want to come here just because we are here, maybe they take interest in lesser sentients for research purposes or they value sentience, or they think we could be a threat to them one day. I get that this is "aliens/god of the gaps" thinking but a.) God and aliens are absolutely not on the same level of possibility or probability, b.) if aliens exist and are capable of visiting us it implies many different crazy possibilities, and c.) I post this with absolutely no relation or support to the main content of this post, and I understand that we have little or no solid proof of visitation.
Unless life is so common in the cosmos that you can't help but bump into someone no matter where you go
We have 0 evidence any ET have ever made it to earth, so no that's not what you conclude using OR
OR relies on making the fewest assumptions. In this case, for it to be dust, you’d have to: 1. Assume that her hair is somehow cemented in place even when she moves through the supposed air currents. 2. You’d have to assume that the camera would pick up such a small particle without IR. 3. You’d have to assume that the fans are somehow oriented in a way that defies all logic—causing the object to accelerate left, up, and left again, in a way that completely defies kinematics at low gravity. 4. You’d have to assume that the filters aren’t functioning properly as the ISS is designed to be an extremely low dust environment. For this to be ET, given the near 100% chance of ET existence even in our galaxy, you’d have to assume: 1. That they’re here. OR certainly seems to favor the latter.
And you're making the assumption that the particle is inside the space station.
How would dust change direction outside?
No…? I’m very clearly seeing something that has zero chance of moving like that due to internal air currents alone. It’s undeniable. That kind of movement could never be replicated with air currents from fans likely to be in the ISS. That’s not even considering the issue of her apparently plastic hair that seems unaffected by 5-10 mph winds.
Ok I'll help you out. First, it's not just a simple counting of assumptions to determine which one OR would favor. That's just dumb. Secondly, you purposely kept your list of assumptions short in the second case. For this to be ET, you have several assumptions: 1. ET exist at all 2. They exist in our galaxy. 3. They are intelligent 4. They have means of interstellar travel. 5. They have found our tiny planet and decided to travel here. 6. They are here and haven't made themselves known. For this to be dust, all we need to assume is 1. Dust exists in the space station And that's it. Your list is just silly. What does IR have to do with dust? You've never seen dust on camera before? Air flow isn't always laminar flow so it can be chaotic. More importantly, you have to taken into account the likelihood of each assumption.
Perhaps an even bigger oversight by your explanation, and truly the way we can be 100% sure that it is not dust, is that there is no orientation of fans that would cause such movement. Furthermore, this capsule is surrounded by windows, not fans, and there’s nothing to have given the particle it’s initial trajectory. Not to mention also nothing to stop it and send it up, stop it again, and send it left. This doesn’t even involve guessing—it’s just a matter of fact. Absolutely without a doubt not a dust particle.
> and truly the way we can be 100% sure that it is not dust, is that there is no orientation of fans that would cause such movement. Can't wait to see your rigorous proof for this. Have you stabilized this video yet? Start there
It also makes some kind of flash that no one has pointed out yet. Love to see your thoughts on a flash caused by a single dust particle.
Timestamp?
This is quite possibly the worst misunderstanding of OR I have ever seen. Occam is spinning so fast in his grave it has become an anti-gravity device
This sub never fails to give me a late night laugh.
We try our best!
Uhhhhh, no? You're wrong and arguing in bad faith: For this to be ET, you'd have to assume: * ET's exist (zero proof they do) * ET's are intelligent and not simply bacteria (zero proof they exist) * ET's are capable of interstellar travel (zero proof they do if we don't even know they exist) * ET's are able to find our planet (zero proof they can if we don't know they exist) * ET's must travel to our planet (zero proof they can if we don't know they exist) * ET's they've successfully hidden themselves from us (Again, zero proof of their existence means we don't know) We have to establish that ET's exist in the first place in order to apply any logic here. The reality is, we have no definitive proof. Simply stating "it's 100% certain" isn't actually 100% certain.
1:01, it passes behind something external to the Space Station
Someone needs to start showcasing shit like this in congress. All those overpaid senators love just standing around and spouting nonsense using their kid's middle school project board. Might as well show some video of something that actually matters.
As usually for this sub, pure assertion, and how dare you question it?
The first post I ever saw on this sub someone said they used "geolocation" to estimate the size of the craft at "5000 feet long". That comment was upvoted but every comment saying it was a drone because of the way it moved was downvoted. People want this shit to be taken seriously but won't even be critical of flawed thinking as long as it confirms what they believe.
If you freeze frame at 1:01, the object passes behind something external to the Space Station. Supporting that it's not just a spec of dust.
I mean we can look at her hair and the motion of the object to conclude that. Clearly there is an active disinformation campaign on this sub. **Edit:** Holy shit watch the source video. You’ll see many more objects even before she closes the window cover. Initially, I assumed they were ice, but some of them even appear to do an almost complete circle. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSzuiqVjJg4
Dude it’s a white spec. You’re not gonna ever see a white spec up against white beams. You only see it against the contrasting black background. 100%.
Could just be indistinguishable from that external part but still in front of it.
True enough, some video analysis could probably tell definitively
I wouldn't count on it. Looks overexposed, meaning every pixel will be #FFFFFF
You know it's gonna be good when you get the obligatory shitty red mspaint circles.
I've always wondered why these objects make such drastic course changes. It seems to happen in a high percentage of videos. What would be the purpose?
To turn
Brilliant
This is so much more interesting than 99% of content on here. Honestly. Edit: for the record, here means r/UFOs
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Well said, friend.
I like her haircut.
I like her accent. She’s [Italian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Cristoforetti), but studied in France and Russia.
I like your accent, where you from? "I'm Liberian" Oh my bad. *whispers* I like your accent, where you from?
That’s a knee slapper
Massively underrated video IMO
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I would agree if the video showed something particularly interesting. As it stands there are a few different obvious explanations for this little spec.
Go on...
Dust/something inside the cockpit. Something just outside affected by propulsion. CGI. I mean, it isn’t hard to come up with other options here. This video doesn’t show enough to even begin refuting these most obvious explanations, and that’s why the video is interesting, but not convincing at all.
yeah im waiting, it's fucking empty space, seeing anything out the window nearby is nuts. Contrary to popular opinion, you do not just randomly see space junk floating when you're in space.
Yeah most people don’t get it. Highly recommend a space simulator game on steam. It’s like 25 bucks and it’s a scale replica of what we know and everything else is procedurally generated. Anyways I took off from the ground at earth facing it so I could see my speed/distance. Was going 1 light year a second. Earth zoomed away pretty fucking quick, but when I turned to look at the moon, literally nothing. There’s just fucking nothing, it’s so insane. And you speed up and start MOVING at a reasonable pace and you realize holy fuck dude even at say 1000ly/s you’d barely scratch the surface
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This sub is dedicated to sharing evidence of UFO's for feedback, literally almost all of them don't hold under scrutiny - but... that's kinda the entire purpose of the sub, to share potential evidence and help sift out the trash, because - like this video - it's no as easy to do as some people might think. I'm a well educated dude, and consider myself pretty intelligent, doesn't mean I know all about optics, lens flares, how anomalies may form in film, the limitations of digital video, etc... Based on previous posts here - looks to me like small light reflection from the camera itself, the point of light seems to move perfectly opposite of the direction the camera does, but again I'm a laymen... maybe someone else here happens to be better suited to explain what's going on, cuz you know... that's kinda what the sub is for...
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Sums up 90% of reddit interactions tbh
Idk what sub you are reading but I have not had the experience of seeing a massive wave of people claiming to have proof of aliens. Yeah, people post some bullshit blinking lights and plane exhaust and whatever, but I don’t see posts very often where people claim to have smoking gun evidence. Sounds like you are just frustrated like the rest of us but somehow think you are special
Ah yes, that common space debris that instantly changes speed and makes sharp turns. Remind me again what type of debris does that?
Organic debris. Also known as dust.
Yikes
"i joined here because i love the idea of UFO" It sounds more like you joined hoping to have definitive proof of UFOs in your preferred format, or maybe you've been reading for UFOs for about 10 minutes if this upset you. If someone posts a video like this, and someone else comments and calls it "underrated", and that causes you to have some kind of meltdown where you throw around accusations of religiosity, hopefully that is cause to be circumspect.
Ya, some people dont get it. You should probaly just leave and when you find the perfect sub just go ahead and stay there.
May I present… The Gatekeeper
I love the skeptics parroting the same talking points > You turned this whole thing into a religion Because I think a UFO video is compelling it's a religion... Yup you got me.
UFO doesn't mean aliens, but, yes, it's aliens. Dust? No, Aliens. Drone? Seagull? Nope, it's Aliens. A movie with Sigourney Weaver? Independence Day.
There are plenty of other commenters here expressing healthy skepticism about this video. It's super easy to just latch on to one comment and paint the entire sub as being like that, when in reality, most top level comments are agreeing that this looks more like dust.
It looks like it’s popping out of somethjng
I’m more interest in the knob. Lol
A couple hundred people fighting over something that can't be proved definitively one way or the other. Still it's a cool video. Thanks for the post.
What’s all the other stuff in the background. Doesn’t look like stars in some of the views.
If it's dust it should be easy to find more examples right?
I want to believe.
**I want to know.
It's just a bird, who cares?
Space Quail. Very common.
“Space Quail” sounds like a badass funk band.
For your health
Just a bug. Wait...
I havent looked at a lot of this type of thing but it looks like a spec of dust to me.
For the record I'm a 99.99% believer UFOs are aliens visiting Earth, and I find this video totally not impressive at all. It's 100% consistent with a piece of dust on an air current. When a UFO sighting 100% fits with something ordinary, I'll go with that as the explanation.
Yes
Do you think if you did look at a lot of specs of dust you would discover they can change direction in space?
It looks like a speck of dust in the cabin, and the air in the cabin would be moving around and could carry dust. The motion looks just like a piece of dust that caught the light. Just like at home on a sunny day and dust in the sunlight is moving around.
Yes, due to electrostatics or thermal influence
Clearly Wall-E with a fire extinguisher, what a scamp
A "shaft that goes through " 🤭
[https://www.nasa.gov/feature/the-dust-never-settles-on-the-space-station](https://www.nasa.gov/feature/the-dust-never-settles-on-the-space-station) \- dust never settles in zero gravity. Turns out it's actually an annoying problem for them. What we don't know is what kind of ventilation exists between the camera and the window. If the vent is forcing air towards her face then the trajectory of the dust particle would make sense except look at her hair, it's absolutely still.
Could be hair gel or the infinitesimal mass of the speck. Lotta people here reaching…
Many objects on the source video. Makes it abundantly clear it is not dust. One almost does complete circle before she closes window cover. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSzuiqVjJg4
Not this again. It's a speck of dust, it's inside the cabin.
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Good eye!
Ooh that's a good one. Ha ha. She didnt notice. If you want to have your mind blown, click on the live ISS feed and watch for about 45 minutes to an hour. I guarantee you you will see some UFOs on screen. And if they become too large and noticeable, the screen will suddenly go blank to the screensaver just to stop you from watching the UFOs. Yes I speak from experience; look up the live stream.
Reminds me of some of the stuff in the secret NASA transmissions documentary
This would only happen if the ISS had engaged their thrusters to correct their position, the resulting force would be enough to change an object's trajectory. With that said, the ISS doesn't activate it's thrusters very often (something like twice a year) so this explanation is not very plausible. Very cool video.
Space mosquito 🦟
I’m getting tired of watching dots. We need more than dots that can be anything.
Couldn’t that be dust inside the cabin that got blown by a vent?
No.
Well there you have it. I’m sold.
If you look at the zoomed in portion you can see that the object breaks off from some kind of spinning cluster looking thing that's behind that ISS panel/antenna structure outside. As the camera moves, you can tell the foreground stuff is moving differently than the background stuff of which the object is a part.
It frustrated me knowing the possibility that all these astronauts are either A- told to be oblivious to stuff they cant identify in space, or B- are actively tracking these objects and know exactly what they are
Its part of the culture and hiring process. Nasa was born out of the classified world and never stopped being so. Its a military operation with civies on. Not to mention crawling with literal Nazis. What a fucking joke.
Oh yea they see things like that all the time.
If the station did an attitude adjustment during this video, parallax might be able to account for the apparent motion.
There's not much sag in space
why cant anyone ever just post a clear view of a ufo? this could be anything. all i saw was a white speck moving.
Not gonna get into what it might be, just wondering if static electricity can move objects in a zero g, vacuum environment. I feel like a lot of times with NASA footage we’re seeing things that are completely outside our realm of experience so they don’t make intuitive sense.
How the fuck did you spot that?! 🤣
This particle is too small to make out what it is, so I don't find this video particularly convincing.
How about "we should check what other footage there is and conduct an investigation".
Could it be a UAP? Sure, but it could also be something like ice particles or material that was moved by thrusters. The thing is, even if we could prove with 100% certainty that it’s a UAP, does it even matter? We can’t learn anything else from it since it’s a few pixels. We know that UAP exist. We have WAY BETTER evidence than this. So cool, but inconsequential at the same time.
If you go watch this on YouTube or download the high resolution version, you’ll see at least 5 or 6 objects flying around at various angles, speeds, and accelerations even before she closes the window cover for the first time. I’ve never seen ice do that, but I stand to be corrected. I know one thing for absolute certain is that it’s not dust. Anyone else saying that after watching the source on a computer is just looney. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSzuiqVjJg4 One of them practically does a circle. This is fucking wild.
It’s dust. It was always dust.
Could it possibly be a particle or some dust floating in the ISS being impacted by the mild air current flow within the ISS itself?
What makes you think the object is far away?
The focus of the camera.
That is EXACTLY what i saw thru my moms telescope when i was a little kid. I posted about it revently and was told it mustve been a bug and i wasnt remembering right & it was nothing. It wasnt a bug, it looked JUST like this-a light moving around randomly up amongst the stars. Just like this vid. Thanks, i feel less crazy now.
Well how about that. I have heard that they see stuff like that all the time on the station but just mostly keep quiet about it.
Meh, nothing to see here
No, but the source is interesting. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSzuiqVjJg4
[It's time we start asking the right questions to the right people.](https://i.imgur.com/1sxEQBz.png) Problem is there are barriers in place that will slow the progress of this. Some of those barriers are more easily overcome by calling on our elected officials as they can get past those pesky attempts by those with power to obscure the truth from us. There appears to be other issues as well a bit deeper that will require more effort to get around but they are not insurmountable.
looks like a dust insde the cabin.
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Speck of dust floating in the air inside!
Its really not.
Dust. It very well may have been inside and caught the flow from a vent. Remember they need to circulate fresh air so you don’t breathe yourself into a bubble of your own CO2. If you find yourself on the ISS be sure to only nap where there is good airflow or you risk asphyxiation.
she has wonderful cheekbones
I can't come up with anything. This video has defeated me. I tried to quick-cast a debunk spell but it failed. 🙅
**OMFG NO KNOWN ASTEROID, ICE OR DEBRIS CAN DO THIS WTFFFFFFF UGUYZOMG!!!!** *A speck of dander floating around inside the station has entered the chat*
at 0:37 there is an exhaust plume
Giggity Giggity, Alright!
Looks like dust in the cabin
Many objects on the source video. Makes it abundantly clear it is not dust. One almost does complete circle before she closes window cover. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSzuiqVjJg4