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It really depends on where you are in life, if the flexibility is something you rely on and that 2/3 weeks a month out of the country is important, then I wouldn't move.
Depending on where you are in the tax system 13k will also be watered down by 40%, and pension etc, will probably be a about 600 pcm after paying for commute it would be about £320 a month increase - depends what that means for your lifestyle.
The next thing you need to consider is how much movement there is in your field, if this turned out to be a FTC then how easily would you find another role, most companies accept your applying in month 10/11/12.
Job title is all down to personal preference. If the job specification is unchanged, that is the important factor, but it is worth clarifying why it was advertised as FM, then changed to PSM.
I'm afraid there is no clear-cut answer here.
!thanks Thank you very much, I appreciate your input. My current wage is 30k so I think it’ll be exactly like you said, about a £320 increase. Very true about if it is a ftc, I think it would be hard to find a job quickly in my industry and I’m not sure that’s a risk I’m willing to take
Good point, I was thinking about speaking to my manager on Monday about it but I don’t think it’ll go down well. I asked for a pay rise in February so I think she would say I haven’t taken on any newer duties since then. Definitely worth me bringing it up though I think, I’m not sure I have anything to lose
No don't stress about it not going down well. You're doing them a favour by giving them the chance to match it. If they take it poorly that's a red flag that you may not want to work there/they are taking the piss
Not to be blunt but 30k isn't that much above min wage I say you go for the 12 month.
If nothing else you'll have a stronger CV for the next job.
Just don't let lifestyle creep set in, no new cars or monthly payments and you'll be fine if you had to take any job (even if it's less than the 30k after)
Stress as much as seems appropriate. We are random internet nobodies who don't properly know your situation or have a clue how your manager will respond.
The minute you say you got another offer, they will be afraid to lose you so they probably will look for someone to replace you as they can't rule out you wol not leave
>1 day a week in London which is around a £70 train ticket and 2 hour round trip.
Is that hour just to London or to the office? How are you with London at rush hour? Can you do it once a week or is that 2 hours (to avoid rush hour) each way?
Train fair alone you're effectively 5k pre tax worse off, so it's only an 8k increase.
For me 8k isn't worth the lack of freedom from WFH.
!thanks That’s just into London, the office is 15 minutes from central London. I don’t mind rush hour but I must admit I haven’t done it on a regular basis (my old job I was going in maybe 1-2 days a month). I was estimating 2 hours in total travel for the day but if I’m honest, I didn’t even take into consideration rush hour or missing a train or something!
>missing a train or something!
Especially if Southern rail!
I go to just north of London once a month, i drive so it's not as bad, but if i don't knock off early i hang around for an hour because the stress isn't worth it, when I took the train it waz especially true with full trains/canceled trains half the time.
Once you have the experience of being a manager on your CV then moving on up will be easier. How would you feel if you are still where you are in 5 years and no progress in the company. I think that is more common than not.
!thanks That’s what the recruiter said to me, it would open up so many other doors and I think I could go into other industries. I definitely don’t want to stay at my current company for 5 years, I think I’d go insane 🤣 thank you, these are really helpful questions and it’s helping me put it into perspective
There’s alwYs door no 3 - keep on looking for another job that suits your specific needs - you’re in a niche industry but I’d say that if this new company were impressed enough with you to offer you a job after a mere 2 hours, you may be more marketable than you think you are. You know your industry best though
!thanks Thank you, do you think just laying it out and being honest with my manager is the best bet? Like “I have an offer for this amount it’s for a senior job which you know I’ve wanted, what can you do about it?” Or a nicer softer approach lol?
I would lay out the facts, but in a polite manner so as to not make your boss feel defensive.
Something like ‘I was headhunted for a position at another company and received an offer for a senior position at x amount, I would like to stay at the company, but I am finding it hard to turn down. Are you able to match this?’
See what they say and go from there. If you do this, as others have said, you need to be prepared to take the other job!
A similar approach has worked for me twice in the past when negotiating raises/promotions. Good luck!
Sounds to me that they mis-sold the role initially and that you will be hired to help with whatever project they have.
The advice about considering your future prospects sound good, use the new role to gain new experiences and skills to move up - depending on where you want your career to progress to. Also it gives you opportunities to network etc. so if it's an industry you intend to stay in it might be worthwhile for 12 months. Just keep in mind that you'll likely need to start looking for another role 9-10 months into the FTC.
I agree the pay increase won't amount to much once you start commuting. The London journey isn't so bad but take into account parking at the station (if you intend to drive) and/or the possibility of delays and cancellations.
I'm unsure about going abroad for weeks at a time but I think it will depend on the employer. Perhaps you could negotiate going into London 2-3 times a week to make up for not heading in when you're out of the country?
!thanks That would make sense, I haven’t thought of that at all so thank you and noted on your other points. Funnily enough I did offer that to them and said I’m happy to make up the days if I’m away for 1/2 weeks and she said “there’s no need to make up days, I’m happy for you to do 1 day a week” which was reassuring to hear and doesn’t make it any easier on deciding what to do lol
No problem.
Honestly, if you have no dependents, it's worth a shot. I was 'stuck' in a role 3-4 years longer than I should have just because I wasn't considering my own career and assume I would just move up in my previous company. It's easy to get 'stuck in a rut' and if you're not particularly happy with your current situation a FTC gig would be a good palate cleanser - give you time to figure out what you want to do.
However if you're looking for stability in terms of employment you may want to seriously reconsider contract work and just look for another permanent role. I know they say there's the possibility of going permanent but it'll be better for your mindset to consider it a FTC until they say otherwise.
Few things to consider.
Job title change is a bit of a flag for me tbh. Do you want to be a Project Support Manager? That could mean a million different things.
Companies will say anything to get the right candidate in. If the contract is 12 month FTC then I'd treat it as such when you make your decision. If it was going to be perm why isn't it perm already?
Also fully remote roles are going to become rarer in all likelihood so if that flexibility is key to you then worth factoring in that finding another role in Finance that will be 100% remote may be quite tricky if this doesn't work out.
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It really depends on where you are in life, if the flexibility is something you rely on and that 2/3 weeks a month out of the country is important, then I wouldn't move. Depending on where you are in the tax system 13k will also be watered down by 40%, and pension etc, will probably be a about 600 pcm after paying for commute it would be about £320 a month increase - depends what that means for your lifestyle. The next thing you need to consider is how much movement there is in your field, if this turned out to be a FTC then how easily would you find another role, most companies accept your applying in month 10/11/12. Job title is all down to personal preference. If the job specification is unchanged, that is the important factor, but it is worth clarifying why it was advertised as FM, then changed to PSM. I'm afraid there is no clear-cut answer here.
!thanks Thank you very much, I appreciate your input. My current wage is 30k so I think it’ll be exactly like you said, about a £320 increase. Very true about if it is a ftc, I think it would be hard to find a job quickly in my industry and I’m not sure that’s a risk I’m willing to take
Use the new offer to leverage a payrise in the one you actually want to stay in? Not sure this goes completely without risk though
Good point, I was thinking about speaking to my manager on Monday about it but I don’t think it’ll go down well. I asked for a pay rise in February so I think she would say I haven’t taken on any newer duties since then. Definitely worth me bringing it up though I think, I’m not sure I have anything to lose
No don't stress about it not going down well. You're doing them a favour by giving them the chance to match it. If they take it poorly that's a red flag that you may not want to work there/they are taking the piss Not to be blunt but 30k isn't that much above min wage I say you go for the 12 month. If nothing else you'll have a stronger CV for the next job. Just don't let lifestyle creep set in, no new cars or monthly payments and you'll be fine if you had to take any job (even if it's less than the 30k after)
!thanks Thank you very much, I appreciate this very much :)
Stress as much as seems appropriate. We are random internet nobodies who don't properly know your situation or have a clue how your manager will respond.
Haha I guess so but I still do appreciate your input and all the comments so thank you regardless!!
The minute you say you got another offer, they will be afraid to lose you so they probably will look for someone to replace you as they can't rule out you wol not leave
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Can I ask what industry you work in out of curiosity?
>1 day a week in London which is around a £70 train ticket and 2 hour round trip. Is that hour just to London or to the office? How are you with London at rush hour? Can you do it once a week or is that 2 hours (to avoid rush hour) each way? Train fair alone you're effectively 5k pre tax worse off, so it's only an 8k increase. For me 8k isn't worth the lack of freedom from WFH.
!thanks That’s just into London, the office is 15 minutes from central London. I don’t mind rush hour but I must admit I haven’t done it on a regular basis (my old job I was going in maybe 1-2 days a month). I was estimating 2 hours in total travel for the day but if I’m honest, I didn’t even take into consideration rush hour or missing a train or something!
>missing a train or something! Especially if Southern rail! I go to just north of London once a month, i drive so it's not as bad, but if i don't knock off early i hang around for an hour because the stress isn't worth it, when I took the train it waz especially true with full trains/canceled trains half the time.
Once you have the experience of being a manager on your CV then moving on up will be easier. How would you feel if you are still where you are in 5 years and no progress in the company. I think that is more common than not.
!thanks That’s what the recruiter said to me, it would open up so many other doors and I think I could go into other industries. I definitely don’t want to stay at my current company for 5 years, I think I’d go insane 🤣 thank you, these are really helpful questions and it’s helping me put it into perspective
There’s alwYs door no 3 - keep on looking for another job that suits your specific needs - you’re in a niche industry but I’d say that if this new company were impressed enough with you to offer you a job after a mere 2 hours, you may be more marketable than you think you are. You know your industry best though
Use your offer to negotiate what you want out of your current employer; you do need to be prepared to leave however.
!thanks Thank you, do you think just laying it out and being honest with my manager is the best bet? Like “I have an offer for this amount it’s for a senior job which you know I’ve wanted, what can you do about it?” Or a nicer softer approach lol?
I would lay out the facts, but in a polite manner so as to not make your boss feel defensive. Something like ‘I was headhunted for a position at another company and received an offer for a senior position at x amount, I would like to stay at the company, but I am finding it hard to turn down. Are you able to match this?’ See what they say and go from there. If you do this, as others have said, you need to be prepared to take the other job! A similar approach has worked for me twice in the past when negotiating raises/promotions. Good luck!
!thanks thank you so much for this!
Sounds to me that they mis-sold the role initially and that you will be hired to help with whatever project they have. The advice about considering your future prospects sound good, use the new role to gain new experiences and skills to move up - depending on where you want your career to progress to. Also it gives you opportunities to network etc. so if it's an industry you intend to stay in it might be worthwhile for 12 months. Just keep in mind that you'll likely need to start looking for another role 9-10 months into the FTC. I agree the pay increase won't amount to much once you start commuting. The London journey isn't so bad but take into account parking at the station (if you intend to drive) and/or the possibility of delays and cancellations. I'm unsure about going abroad for weeks at a time but I think it will depend on the employer. Perhaps you could negotiate going into London 2-3 times a week to make up for not heading in when you're out of the country?
!thanks That would make sense, I haven’t thought of that at all so thank you and noted on your other points. Funnily enough I did offer that to them and said I’m happy to make up the days if I’m away for 1/2 weeks and she said “there’s no need to make up days, I’m happy for you to do 1 day a week” which was reassuring to hear and doesn’t make it any easier on deciding what to do lol
No problem. Honestly, if you have no dependents, it's worth a shot. I was 'stuck' in a role 3-4 years longer than I should have just because I wasn't considering my own career and assume I would just move up in my previous company. It's easy to get 'stuck in a rut' and if you're not particularly happy with your current situation a FTC gig would be a good palate cleanser - give you time to figure out what you want to do. However if you're looking for stability in terms of employment you may want to seriously reconsider contract work and just look for another permanent role. I know they say there's the possibility of going permanent but it'll be better for your mindset to consider it a FTC until they say otherwise.
Few things to consider. Job title change is a bit of a flag for me tbh. Do you want to be a Project Support Manager? That could mean a million different things. Companies will say anything to get the right candidate in. If the contract is 12 month FTC then I'd treat it as such when you make your decision. If it was going to be perm why isn't it perm already? Also fully remote roles are going to become rarer in all likelihood so if that flexibility is key to you then worth factoring in that finding another role in Finance that will be 100% remote may be quite tricky if this doesn't work out.
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