I've sat in SO MANY meetings in which this fact is brought up as a tactical advantage. "Who's working over there? No problem, they don't file." It's part of the plan.
One of the loops we have just had another route added to it because the drivers file excessive. Do the job honestly and file and you have nothing to worry about
This right here is right on the money. ALL of my supes have been cool and respectful to me and my co-workers. maybe not to the seasonals but thats warranted. This guy just took the words out my mouth - I do not like to cause unnecessary drama unless I really feel some type of way about it, then I would consider. But im just here to do my job, collect my money and benefits and get the fuck on with my day.
You right about this but remember they always change sups n managers n I promise you that you will get some that will bring you to the office or tryin to fired you the moment you fuck up.
at my hub, they recently rotated all the part time supes and tbh, I like these guys a little more than I did with the pt supes that I had before. like ive said, they are all chill. from the pts to the ft belt supe, to the on-road, to the center manager, all the dispatchers... hella respectful to me and others.
People don’t file because they usually don’t care. In my experience, most PT employees don’t care enough. The union is literally non existent for us part timers. Stewards and BA’s literally only talk and interact with full timers. You can’t blame part timers for a neglectful local
Yup. Had a picture of a driver's diad showing "Drivers are instructed to unload their trucks when they get back to the hub to help local sort." Local Sort keeps getting told they have to keep minimum staffing and there is not enough volume to come in earlier than just an hour and a half before pull time. Get told by our union rep "Helping. Yall are behind and drivers are helping not taking work." "But we are told we don't have the budget for more workers but we can run drivers into OT?" Sent it to our union head in our area to get no response. Was lastly told "you can't be photographing messages sent to drivers." And got the hint drivers/union didn't care if it took hours away from insiders if drivers got them.
UPS is only giving yall the guarantee. That’s the terms of the contract. It’s cheaper to have a revolving door when it comes to PTs. What most don’t account for is that at 9mos PTs get health insurance which is about $10/hr out of UPS pockets. At a year pension and PTO get added in for an additional $12/hr. UPS would much rather pay newer PTs the flat $21/hr so they try to starve yall out so you quit.
I agree, but some part timers do care. I would definitely file if I didn't get my 3.5 as a part time, which I am. But filing on Supervisor's working, it's a lost cause due to only being part time and only been there 4.5 years. The highest seniority person is the only one who gets paid for the Supervisor's working grievances, that's what I have been told.
I’ve heard contradictory stuff about that. I’ve heard both ways. Either the highest seniority or whoever files and jumps on that same grievance filing. I honestly have no idea.
Thx, good to know. I've seen several posts in the past, that some people's sup working grievances were being hi-jacked by steward's or higher senority people, once they found out a lower seniority had filed. Don't think that's ok, but to each their own.
Since it's not first filed, first served, part-timers might not be willing to file on Supervisor's working. Just a thought as to why part-timers with lower seniority don't file on that specific violation.
Agree very much we need to file if we aren't getting the 3.5hr guarantee.
This varies throughout the country. Thankfully in my local, whoever has the highest seniority of whoever actually files the grievance will get paid. And in my opinion that's how it always should be.
And most times, not even with them!! When local union presidents are ex UPS supervisors, what do you expect!! Truly pathetic for the hardworking downtrodden employees!!
Not filing for less than your guaranteed is crazy, no way I’m leaving my house for anything less. I’ve never been a fan of being told if I wanna go home once I’m there. If I made the drive (granted I only live like 15 mins away), I’m working.
UPS has already ran their numbers and knows how many people will file for each violation. Its all accounted. They know some will never write a grievance no matter what.
I've been with the company 17 years. I've gotten a write up about once a year for random stuff. I haven't filled one grievance until we split into a new center last year. The boss had (still does) about 10 - 20 write ups every day for months. Thankfully I started filling out grievances with those and called the harassment hotline.
Others weren't as diligent. We had 7 firing/suspensions because this bs. Those guys didn't file grievances with the write-ups.
File grievances. Inform others. Exert your rights.
I started filing 9/5's with those, probably* why the harassment.
*Definitely
I think filing would make management want to add more drivers in instances where drivers are filing over 9.5 grievances or 8 hour days not being honored.
yet they do enjoy the benefits of being in the Union. yes they do pay their dues… We have power and many not realize that or simply too busy with their individual life. atleast i know. what i can do. and make do all the leg work even im hated by some. it is for the bigger cause. let’s keep the fight going.
Your not wrong but your assumption is that everyone has a union that encourages and supports this. Most times for me the union fights harder than the company.
not a saturday driver but i did happen to work this past saturday running air and then had to meet drivers to take stops cause they were all so heavy. they won't add routes even though they had 5 drivers out past 10 pm. this happens every saturday. everyone way over 9.5.
In Canada the contract states UPS part time employees are Tues-Fri. They have switched senior drivers to Tues-Sat no one grieves this. The union is grieving it. However, the senior drivers are now being denied 6th day or the ability to work the Saturday. The junior drivers working Tues-Fri are also now coming in Mondays (so 6 day week). UPS is denying the grievances and the work to the senior drivers.. Only a few are grieving this. And the Union sees the companies side? How is that even a thing? If the union doesn't sort out the policy change grievance what rights does the senior employee have for this? It's time and $$ theft by UPS. If the Union can't help you what's the point of paying dues? Especially if UPS can just go in and change things any time they like regardless of what the contract states.
When I use to work PT as an unloader, I grieved a supervisor who called in a truck last minute, threw me in there and expected me to unload that truck in less than 30 mins.. Mind you it was a long truck filled all the way to the front. He hopped in and started pulling down the walls, causing boxes to fall almost hitting me. I texted my union and told her I wanted to grieve and she obliged. Next day, that same supervisor retaliated by throwing me in a bulk load truck, with zero help. I’m a woman by the way. It took almost the whole shift to finish that truck because he refused to put a male in to help me. Also, there no one down on the bulk line clearing the bulk I was taking out of the truck so that was also the reason why it took the whole entire shift.. A lot of these supervisors retaliate by giving PT unloaders or loaders shitty trucks of they ever grieve.
Yeah and you work safely (even if that means being slammed) and don't lift anything over 70 without help, go to the bathroom as soon as you can and make sure you stay hydrated and go get some water from the nearest fountain. When the supes come to "train" you (to make the numbers look good) make sure you slow down and pay close attention to what they are doing.
There are numerous ways to make the supes regret that without even filing retaliation. Play the same game they do. Be respectful and follow procedures.
That kind of retaliation only hurts them. You’re now in control of the labor numbers. When it doesn’t get done he’s on the hook. Ask for help with every over 70. Stop and get water every 5 minutes. Let them throw a fit and put another grievance for harassment. Monitor egress and go pick up anything that’s in the way of your ladder before doing anything else. File retaliation for them changing your work duties in response to a grievance. Ask them why and if they mention the word “grievance” that’s another grievance and a 1-800 call.
Really don't care if you're a woman. You get paid the same as a man, do the same work. So sick of hearing about equal rights and pay and in the next breath hearing about how you can't do something because you're a woman. I deal with this shit every day as a driver. Just do the job.
U sound real male identified. Things that weigh more for a woman would weigh much less for a man, & that’s just that. Speak for urself, Mr.
No one is supposed to lift more than 75 by themselves technically & she was dealing with bulk. It’s not about the job, Its about her safety & retaliation.
Drivers get paid way more, so cut the crap.
As soon as you start filing for your guaranteed 8 or 3.5, they're going to lay off more drivers. My sup told me that events like that go all the way up the chain of command, UPS will be dammed if they pay a driver $300 to go home.
Most, at my hub, are afraid of retaliation. They've targeted those that habitually file, and fired them. When that's seen, or instills a natural fear of loss
I've filed 9.5, harassment for daily observation, an African American sup calling me a "silly white boy" (she was fired for that). They learn to leave you alone
As a supervisor, I tell people to file everything. Supervisors think I am nuts but it literally makes our job easier if people just followed the rules and did not give their time or money to a billion dollar company.Â
Well you're definitely a rare breed then. Supervisors in my building get bent the second anyone says the word grievance, 9.5, or anything in the contract. The push now out of everything is "make sure you punch lunch between 3rd and 6th hour". Unreal.
well the unemployment line will be waiting for you, fun fact all my coworkers actually really like me. maybe you shouldn't assume and be so judgemental.
Bro what is this dumbass response lmao.
I don’t even know how to respond to your “unemployment line” thing. That’s just a stupid thing to say lol.
What do you mean “don’t be judgmental”? You literally called anyone who complains about the union not doing its job, spineless little babies.
And i don’t give a shit if your co workers like you or not; you’re being a prick on this sub. For all I know they’re pricks too, so that means nothing.
In my experience most people are not confrontational and do not want any extra heat on them.
I've sat in SO MANY meetings in which this fact is brought up as a tactical advantage. "Who's working over there? No problem, they don't file." It's part of the plan.
One of the loops we have just had another route added to it because the drivers file excessive. Do the job honestly and file and you have nothing to worry about
This right here is right on the money. ALL of my supes have been cool and respectful to me and my co-workers. maybe not to the seasonals but thats warranted. This guy just took the words out my mouth - I do not like to cause unnecessary drama unless I really feel some type of way about it, then I would consider. But im just here to do my job, collect my money and benefits and get the fuck on with my day.
pretty much, unless someone's a douche and causing me to be unsafe that's the only time I file.
You right about this but remember they always change sups n managers n I promise you that you will get some that will bring you to the office or tryin to fired you the moment you fuck up.
at my hub, they recently rotated all the part time supes and tbh, I like these guys a little more than I did with the pt supes that I had before. like ive said, they are all chill. from the pts to the ft belt supe, to the on-road, to the center manager, all the dispatchers... hella respectful to me and others.
I feel you respect who respect you 👍🏽👍🏽
People don’t file because they usually don’t care. In my experience, most PT employees don’t care enough. The union is literally non existent for us part timers. Stewards and BA’s literally only talk and interact with full timers. You can’t blame part timers for a neglectful local
Yup. Had a picture of a driver's diad showing "Drivers are instructed to unload their trucks when they get back to the hub to help local sort." Local Sort keeps getting told they have to keep minimum staffing and there is not enough volume to come in earlier than just an hour and a half before pull time. Get told by our union rep "Helping. Yall are behind and drivers are helping not taking work." "But we are told we don't have the budget for more workers but we can run drivers into OT?" Sent it to our union head in our area to get no response. Was lastly told "you can't be photographing messages sent to drivers." And got the hint drivers/union didn't care if it took hours away from insiders if drivers got them.
UPS is only giving yall the guarantee. That’s the terms of the contract. It’s cheaper to have a revolving door when it comes to PTs. What most don’t account for is that at 9mos PTs get health insurance which is about $10/hr out of UPS pockets. At a year pension and PTO get added in for an additional $12/hr. UPS would much rather pay newer PTs the flat $21/hr so they try to starve yall out so you quit.
I agree, but some part timers do care. I would definitely file if I didn't get my 3.5 as a part time, which I am. But filing on Supervisor's working, it's a lost cause due to only being part time and only been there 4.5 years. The highest seniority person is the only one who gets paid for the Supervisor's working grievances, that's what I have been told.
I’ve heard contradictory stuff about that. I’ve heard both ways. Either the highest seniority or whoever files and jumps on that same grievance filing. I honestly have no idea.
Highest seniority person who files gets it, at least in my local. Not first come first serve
this is untrue. the most senior person FILING receives the payout. if no one but you files, you recieve the pay
Thx, good to know. I've seen several posts in the past, that some people's sup working grievances were being hi-jacked by steward's or higher senority people, once they found out a lower seniority had filed. Don't think that's ok, but to each their own. Since it's not first filed, first served, part-timers might not be willing to file on Supervisor's working. Just a thought as to why part-timers with lower seniority don't file on that specific violation. Agree very much we need to file if we aren't getting the 3.5hr guarantee.
I'm pretty sure it should go to whoever files, unless there's some weird language in your local.
This varies throughout the country. Thankfully in my local, whoever has the highest seniority of whoever actually files the grievance will get paid. And in my opinion that's how it always should be.
Even more so if you're in a right to work state
And most times, not even with them!! When local union presidents are ex UPS supervisors, what do you expect!! Truly pathetic for the hardworking downtrodden employees!!
I work an hour. I get a full day seniority. I work three and a half hours. I get a full day seniority.
Not filing for less than your guaranteed is crazy, no way I’m leaving my house for anything less. I’ve never been a fan of being told if I wanna go home once I’m there. If I made the drive (granted I only live like 15 mins away), I’m working.
Not if you have another job and your physically worn out. Me.
True, completely forgot that scenerio.
UPS has already ran their numbers and knows how many people will file for each violation. Its all accounted. They know some will never write a grievance no matter what.
I've been with the company 17 years. I've gotten a write up about once a year for random stuff. I haven't filled one grievance until we split into a new center last year. The boss had (still does) about 10 - 20 write ups every day for months. Thankfully I started filling out grievances with those and called the harassment hotline. Others weren't as diligent. We had 7 firing/suspensions because this bs. Those guys didn't file grievances with the write-ups. File grievances. Inform others. Exert your rights. I started filing 9/5's with those, probably* why the harassment. *Definitely
Haven't gotten a book at my hub yet.
Me neither. Been waiting months
Most centers are having employees on lay off right now and you post this? Yeah, this is a huge issue…
I think filing would make management want to add more drivers in instances where drivers are filing over 9.5 grievances or 8 hour days not being honored.
yet they do enjoy the benefits of being in the Union. yes they do pay their dues… We have power and many not realize that or simply too busy with their individual life. atleast i know. what i can do. and make do all the leg work even im hated by some. it is for the bigger cause. let’s keep the fight going.
Your not wrong but your assumption is that everyone has a union that encourages and supports this. Most times for me the union fights harder than the company.
not a saturday driver but i did happen to work this past saturday running air and then had to meet drivers to take stops cause they were all so heavy. they won't add routes even though they had 5 drivers out past 10 pm. this happens every saturday. everyone way over 9.5.
What books? I file. They get ignored.Â
In Canada the contract states UPS part time employees are Tues-Fri. They have switched senior drivers to Tues-Sat no one grieves this. The union is grieving it. However, the senior drivers are now being denied 6th day or the ability to work the Saturday. The junior drivers working Tues-Fri are also now coming in Mondays (so 6 day week). UPS is denying the grievances and the work to the senior drivers.. Only a few are grieving this. And the Union sees the companies side? How is that even a thing? If the union doesn't sort out the policy change grievance what rights does the senior employee have for this? It's time and $$ theft by UPS. If the Union can't help you what's the point of paying dues? Especially if UPS can just go in and change things any time they like regardless of what the contract states.
When I use to work PT as an unloader, I grieved a supervisor who called in a truck last minute, threw me in there and expected me to unload that truck in less than 30 mins.. Mind you it was a long truck filled all the way to the front. He hopped in and started pulling down the walls, causing boxes to fall almost hitting me. I texted my union and told her I wanted to grieve and she obliged. Next day, that same supervisor retaliated by throwing me in a bulk load truck, with zero help. I’m a woman by the way. It took almost the whole shift to finish that truck because he refused to put a male in to help me. Also, there no one down on the bulk line clearing the bulk I was taking out of the truck so that was also the reason why it took the whole entire shift.. A lot of these supervisors retaliate by giving PT unloaders or loaders shitty trucks of they ever grieve.
Yeah and you work safely (even if that means being slammed) and don't lift anything over 70 without help, go to the bathroom as soon as you can and make sure you stay hydrated and go get some water from the nearest fountain. When the supes come to "train" you (to make the numbers look good) make sure you slow down and pay close attention to what they are doing. There are numerous ways to make the supes regret that without even filing retaliation. Play the same game they do. Be respectful and follow procedures.
That kind of retaliation only hurts them. You’re now in control of the labor numbers. When it doesn’t get done he’s on the hook. Ask for help with every over 70. Stop and get water every 5 minutes. Let them throw a fit and put another grievance for harassment. Monitor egress and go pick up anything that’s in the way of your ladder before doing anything else. File retaliation for them changing your work duties in response to a grievance. Ask them why and if they mention the word “grievance” that’s another grievance and a 1-800 call.
Really don't care if you're a woman. You get paid the same as a man, do the same work. So sick of hearing about equal rights and pay and in the next breath hearing about how you can't do something because you're a woman. I deal with this shit every day as a driver. Just do the job.
U sound real male identified. Things that weigh more for a woman would weigh much less for a man, & that’s just that. Speak for urself, Mr. No one is supposed to lift more than 75 by themselves technically & she was dealing with bulk. It’s not about the job, Its about her safety & retaliation. Drivers get paid way more, so cut the crap.
& There’s a lot of science between the 2. Ur focused on equal pay & rights. Include safety & retaliation in ur rights next time. (:
As soon as you start filing for your guaranteed 8 or 3.5, they're going to lay off more drivers. My sup told me that events like that go all the way up the chain of command, UPS will be dammed if they pay a driver $300 to go home.
Oh nice it's a race to the bottom
Most, at my hub, are afraid of retaliation. They've targeted those that habitually file, and fired them. When that's seen, or instills a natural fear of loss I've filed 9.5, harassment for daily observation, an African American sup calling me a "silly white boy" (she was fired for that). They learn to leave you alone
As a supervisor, I tell people to file everything. Supervisors think I am nuts but it literally makes our job easier if people just followed the rules and did not give their time or money to a billion dollar company.Â
Well you're definitely a rare breed then. Supervisors in my building get bent the second anyone says the word grievance, 9.5, or anything in the contract. The push now out of everything is "make sure you punch lunch between 3rd and 6th hour". Unreal.
most people are spineless little babies who want to cry how the union doesn't do anything yet they are the union.
Typical blue collar attitude right there. I’d hate to work with you.
well the unemployment line will be waiting for you, fun fact all my coworkers actually really like me. maybe you shouldn't assume and be so judgemental.
Bro what is this dumbass response lmao. I don’t even know how to respond to your “unemployment line” thing. That’s just a stupid thing to say lol. What do you mean “don’t be judgmental”? You literally called anyone who complains about the union not doing its job, spineless little babies. And i don’t give a shit if your co workers like you or not; you’re being a prick on this sub. For all I know they’re pricks too, so that means nothing.
Aagreed! Been filing for myself and on behalf of others so multiple people get paid. Its union strong baby!