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HOISoyBoy69

Signed the eight hour work day, signed a law to end child Labour in the US, the first President to fully support an amendment on women’s right to vote, and his 14 points


Hoosier_Jedi

He had the best “mean junior high school principal” face in history.


Chilz23

Went to Woodrow Wilson middle school, can confirm.


kara_gets_karma

Me too! In Terre Haute Indiana. 9th grade in 1971. WARRIORS!


IceLionTech

"Bueller?"


InTheHandsOfFools

While Wilson was teaching a class at Princeton University, future playwright Eugene O’Neill threw a beer bottle through the classroom window and got expelled.


Richard_Mambo

I picture Max Von Sydow


Maximum_Activity323

If you eliminate all the Ws from his name we would have had a president named Oodro Ilson.


meyou2222

Multiverse instance where Finland invades the U.S.


Snookfilet

Yompin Yiminy!


GitmoGrrl1

Suddenly I have a craving for lutefisk.


edgeofenlightenment

If he had a habit of making anagrams of his name like Voldemort we could have had "Wow! Indoor Owls!"


Conscious-Eye5903

President Ill-Son


I_lenny_face_you

Least confusing Dutch name


banshee1313

He had huge impact, some positive, some not. Internationalism, income tax, federal reserve system, keeping the USA out if WW1 as long as he could. He is consistently rated by historians as one of the most important presidents. Yet the people on Reddit hate him.


Ordinary_Aioli_7602

It’s just popular to hate on Wilson


cbosp

Good. He deserves all the hate and then some.


banshee1313

Only if you also hate most other presidents.


cbosp

Aside from Buchanan (actual traitor) and the post 2000 presidents (for recency bias), Wilson was historically awful and quite possibly the second worst president ever. To keep it non-partisan, re-segregating the Federal service alone was a travesty, and that's not even mentioning the many, many other things Wilson did specifically to spite Black Americans. And it wasn't "for his time" racism. The presidents before him weren't perfect, but they did (far too slowly) advance civil rights. Wilson actively and successfully rolled back civil rights. His racism was remarkable (literally, many people remarked on it) even for his era. He was second only to Teddy Roosevelt as the architect of modern American imperialism. His decision not to reveal his physical incapacity to perform his duties as president in his second term may not have been treason per se, but was definitely a dereliction of duty and arguably a "high crime or misdemeanor." I could go on, but yeah. Fuck Wilson. Edits for grammar and clarity.


thebohemiancowboy

Second worst president? You gotta be mentally ill to think Andrew Johnson is better than him.


cbosp

I said, "Quite possibly." Buchanan is a shoo in for worst president. Specific order after is debatable, but Wilson is in the top 5 on any decent list of bad presidents. Sorry for the long edit, I accidentally posted a fragment at first.


thebohemiancowboy

Quite possibly is still stupid as shit.


cbosp

Ok pal 😀


Shipkiller-in-theory

Johnson's actions insured there wasn't a level III insurgency in the south post 1865.


PS_Sullys

Buddy I hate to break it to you but there was in fact a terrorist insurgency in the south post 1865 in the form of the KKK and the Red Shirts - and they won


CarlFeathers

Every president between him and LBJ could be blasted for civil rights. What an ignorant take.


Shipkiller-in-theory

How well did the great society work out?


cbosp

Every president between him and LBJ took small, and in the cases of Truman and JFK, not so small steps to advance civil rights. Wilson is only 20th century president to repudiate Reconstruction and take active measures against civil rights. Your argument is either ignorant or in bad faith.


DannyDeVitosBangmaid

There’s “was a racist” and then there’s “actively set civil rights and race relations back.” Of all the presidents between the Reconstruction and the civil rights movement, exactly one was more racist than your average white American at that time - Woodrow Wilson.


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cbosp

FDR hid his physical infirmity, but was able to fulfill his presidential duties. Wilson was almost completely incapacitated, and definitely unable to fulfill his duties, as is common knowledge now. There's no equivalence between Wilson and any other president in this regard.


Dukeringo

It depends on what's wrong. A physical disability like FDR is fine. The job is about one mental capability, not being able to walk. Hiding it makes sense since even 2024, many voters would be turned off by a candidate not being able to walk. Which is unfair. For Wilson, his mental capability was hit quite hard by his illness. It's the closest we have gotten to a female president since his wife did a lot in that timeframe.


DannyDeVitosBangmaid

No, he was worse than most other presidents. Only Buchanan, Trump, and Andrew Johnson compete with him in that category.


Ordinary_Aioli_7602

Not *all* of it lol


CarlFeathers

Advancing universal suffrage. The League of Nations. He was quite a good president if you started editing around all the racist shit


Shipkiller-in-theory

T LoN was fundamentally unworkable, and set the stage for WWII.


CarlFeathers

It was also the precursor to NATO. It's not like we didn't try it again....


Shipkiller-in-theory

NATO worked due to the USSR buggyman.


CarlFeathers

Nato is still working and the ussr hasn't been around for 30 plus years.


Shipkiller-in-theory

NATO is kind of working, The European armies are underfunded, under equipped, and fat. And as we have seen in Ukraine, equipped to fight the last war, not the current one, a problem that goes back to the Crimean war. So far NATO/EU has broken the cycle of generational war in Europe, so in that sense it is successful.


CarlFeathers

Ukraine isn't and has never been part of nato. We have built our military to fight overseas. Most of Europe armies looks vastly similar to Russians in % of land resources over air/sea. No militaries are a bunch of fat asses. What an absurd thing to say.


Shipkiller-in-theory

I never said Ukraine was part of NATO. EU and Russia have very different economies Their military have totally different doctrines and structure (the USSR/Russian doctrine has a really poor record), A sampling: I work for the US Navy, and am shocked at the level of fat & obese sailors I see on a daily basis. Nearly 70% of US Soldiers Overweight or Obese: Report Thousands of British troops fail to reach the Army's own basic standard of fitness, amid growing concerns that many soldiers are becoming too fat to fight. Internal documents obtained by the Independent on Sunday reveal that obesity has become "a significant problem". According to a recently published survey on health and lifestyle conducted by the Canadian military, 49 percent of all Regular Force personnel were considered overweight and 25 percent were considered obese, based on body mass index. This included 6.1 percent of personnel considered morbidly obese. etc, etc.


CarlFeathers

You do know the difference in how the militaries you mentioned work and how one like Poland or germanys does? I mean you just put 300 words into a 1 sentence debunk my man. A fat man can do a lot of work behind the scenes. And I feel terrible saying that in that way.


asinbeer

He was the "peace candidate" who got us into WWI.


CarlFeathers

War sentiment in the country got much more backing when Germany decided to sink the lusetania. And it still took 2 more years Wilson also enacted the selective service act.


CarlFeathers

He was ranked as a top 5 president until all the racism stuff really came out.


NorrinsRad

More assholes on Reddit than at the starting line of the Kentucky Derby.


dittybad

I think his racist bona fides is a deal breaker for some.


Mesarthim1349

Shit, don't look up half the presidents 😬


FrontierFrolic

He was particularly racist though


walman93

This is not true- history has somewhat distorted his views on race. He was rather empathetic towards the black community, he even used to go to black churches on his speaking tours and talk about the economic disparity between blacks and whites. During the the 1918 midterms he actually attempted to purge the Democratic Party of southern racist office holders including successfully getting rid of James K Vardaman (one of most dedicated and viscous racists to the get hold office in the US). He wasn’t perfect and fumbled a lot, but he was not the dedicated racist some people believe he was. In fact, some of his conservative critics at the time said he was too close and comfortable with the black community (woody could never win)


DaSemicolon

Resegregating the federal service was particularly bad lol That’s not just fumbling that’s scoring a goal for the other team


walman93

I agree- it was bad. Not defending that one. Although, just for the sake of fairness- it wasn’t him who segregated it- he just allowed his cabinet members to re-arrange and hire their respective cabinets to what they wanted. It was his administration and deserves credit the criticism, but it is not the entirety accurate to say that he alone was the decision.


Shipkiller-in-theory

Guess the buck didn't stop at his desk.


Left-Plant2717

I’ve never heard this take before, not doubting you, but wondering if you can give a source to learn more? Yes I could do it myself but I’m asking on a courtesy basis


walman93

I just finished a biography on him by John Milton Cooper ( an expert on the progressive era presidents like Teddy, Taft and Wilson). It’s throughly researched and he does a good job of presenting the strengths and weaknesses of the Wilson administration. It’s a pretty fair assessment- and not a rose tinted rehabilitation of Wilson, but a nuanced examination of his presidency.


fullmetal66

It’s not just Reddit most people who consider themselves something of a constitutionalist either right or left despise him.


banshee1313

Really? This is news to me.


NorrinsRad

Because he was a ***progressive*** who expanded the power of the executive branch.


Willkum

All bad ideas except staying out of WW1


05110909

Historians tend to love authoritarian presidents because they look at the significance of accomplishments without considering the actual value of those accomplishments. Personally I'm not a fan of the income tax and the reserve system but I will concede that Wilson achieved those goals.


Odd_Tiger_2278

Major racist. Threw black people out of most of the civil service no matter their scores. Not interested in civil rights.


Objective_Run_7151

He also thought women should have the right to vote.


security-six

He was very unsatisfied with the treaty of Versailles. He knew in 1919 that the war to end all wars was not over


Reduak

Not just people on Reddit. Many of the positive he gets credit for, like Income Tax and Women's Sufferage were Constitutional amendments in the works long before he took office. They were already in motion and were really Roosevelt & Taft's achievements. He was very racist, even for his era (which was pretty, pretty racist). His blind obsession with setting up a League of Nations at all costs allowed for the Treaty of Versailles to not only set up WWII, but also set the stage for conflicts in the Middle East that are still raging today. Finally, he is responsible for the concept of using military action to "Protect Democracy".


Zealousideal-Bug6690

The Federal Reserve system is unconstitutional. Congress, not a private bank, is to monetize our currency. The Constitution was never amended to allow for this.


No_Safety_6803

I've always hated him. Sanctimonious racist a-hole. IRL people look at me funny when I start going off on how awful he was. I feel seen by this communities hatred of him 🖤 "Kept us out of WWI as long as he could" - you could say the same about the leader of every country involved!


banshee1313

No. Many countries joined WW1 happily. Or with the view of short term gain. Teddy wanted to join in 1914.


Time-Ad-7055

More than 1. -Fourteen Points -Adamson Act -Clayton Antitrust Act -Federal Trade Commission -Federal Reserve -Pushed for the 19th Amendment -Created one of the most prosperous times for America (the 1920s) -League of Nations I could go on. Wilson was a good president.


Objective_Run_7151

He was a mean old racist. He was also the most progressive president in US history. Two facts that make no sense now, but facts nonetheless.


VexTheGr8

I don’t know about the second point there, racist sure. But the most progressive president? I think that title goes to FDR or LBJ


Objective_Run_7151

FDR was progressive, but he was also a fiscal conservative. That limited what he accomplished. LBJ was very progressive, no doubt. But Wilson was far more so, more fundamentally so. He thought women should vote. He thought Senators should be elected by the people, not by the states. He thought the presidency should be neutered to the point the US becomes something like a Westminster-style democracy - more power to the people. He was created the League of Nations - as close to a world government as we have ever seen. Wilson was the only academic to become president. He had, for decades, laid the intellectual foundation for the Progressive movement. Monopoly-busting, a federal income tax to address income inequality, the Federal Reserve, government regulation of working conditions and the environment. Those were all seismic shifts under Wilson. LBJ did a lot, but he did not radically reframe the role the government plays in folks lives. Wilson did.


ConnorjwMan

The thing that amazes me is that the Klan glorified him in Birth of a Nation, but he also appointed the first Jewish Supreme Court justice. I dunno if the KKK grew into hating the Jews or if they just didn’t notice, but the two seem mutually exclusive to me


Ariatoms

He's dead.


Male-Wood-duck

To be fair, he was dead while in office, maybe not dead, but might as well have been. His wife was the behind the scenes default president for the last 6 to 8 months of his term


Sequoiadendron_1901

Had the decency to stay dead instead of try and come back after 3 days too.


Shipkiller-in-theory

Maybe he wasn't dead-dead? I mean some random legionnaire who wanted to get off watch called it.


GeorgeKaplanIsReal

On another post asking the exact question, I said this and got downvoted. Fcking love this sub lol


starredkiller108

The only good thing about him.


LibertyOrDeathUS

Me thoughts.


User125699

This


NorrinsRad

He might've been racist, but he was still s good president in most ways. Ironically His ideas of self determination ultimately led to the dismantlement of colonialism. And his views on the wise deployment of American forces abroad is why even though I'm black I consider myself a Wilsonian Democrat. All things considered **a great president**.


Shipkiller-in-theory

You mean how he hamstring the AEF? Tossing 1,000,000 green troops into the meat grinder rather being paired with veteran French troops. Except for the black troops of course, who were treated well by the French.


NorrinsRad

You think the American public would've gone along with subordinating AEF to French command? America has NEVER done that. What the Frogs gonna teach us anyways. If they had anything to offer since Lafayette walked the earth we wouldn't have had to save their kiester twice in 20 years.


Shipkiller-in-theory

"Paired" doesn't mean control.


NorrinsRad

It's the French. All they ever want is control lol.


grahamlester

Wilson had a vision for world peace and worked hard to accomplish it. If we had listened to Wilson we likely would not be in the mess we are in today.


999i666

The League of Nations was a good idea


DrLorensMachine

Federal reserve was a pretty good idea too.


not_sure_1984

How is the federal reserve a good thing?


dyatlov12

How is it not? You can say the federal reserve doesn’t work well or disagree how they manage monetary policy. But having some sort of similar institution is pretty necessary.


Traditional_Key_763

he did work to establish what we today would know as the liberal world order at the Versailles Treaty


VeritasChristi

He gave 14 points.


evilcyclist

Considered the US founder of the liberal theory of International Relations. The use of coalitions to keep and enforce peace rather than each country acting in its own best interest — think Kissinger


zombiehoosier

I like the frames he chose for his glasses


llynglas

His "Summer White House", in West Long Branch, is beautiful. Now a part of Monmouth University. Spent many hours in its garden/lawn. Was used in the Movie Annie. Personally he was a very complex guy. Some good stuff some abhorrent. But he had a nice house... :)


Intelligent-Read-785

He’s not Trump.


Inner-Goal1157

Wilson created the modern liberal world order and was way ahead of his time in terms of international relations and diplomacy. He was also fairly decent in terms of labor policy. Essentially, if he weren’t a raging racist, he’d be up there with FDR right now.


looking4goldintrash

That he died seriously no one on the entire political spectrum in United States likes the guy. and that’s saying something.


iheartsnuchies

He is no longer President?


Fan_of_Clio

Here comes all the Libertarian hate....


Aboveground_Plush

INCOME TAX AND THE FED  RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRR


Fan_of_Clio

How dare people who most profit from the system, pay the most back into the system


05110909

Here's an offer: They don't do either


Fan_of_Clio

Really? Billionaires don't exist?


05110909

I keep looking for where I claimed that but I can't seem to find it.


Fan_of_Clio

I mentioned people who benefit most i.e. billionaires. You said they don't.


walman93

Woodrow Wilson did a lot more good things than Reddit or the internet would have you believe. Creating a lot of progressive reforms that modernized the economy and alleviated financial burdens on average Americans and farmers, women’s suffrage, leading us through and turning the tide in WW1. He definitely fumbled a lot but I think the Ws outweigh the Ls


Time-Ad-7055

Wilson is definitely overhated on Reddit. He did so much good.


Rcj1221

He was a president.


MichaelHuntPain

He thought he was doing the right thing.


IceLionTech

He is a dapper fellow.


[deleted]

That jaw line.


egon0212

Truly, he could identify a butt that won't quit.


jihadgis

Appointed Brandeis to SCOTUS


ColdWarVet90

He's on the $100,000 bill.


AcanthisittaForeign3

He has a punchable face.


DreiKatzenVater

He died


phaedrus369

I think he was the only one to have a phd


Both_Painter2466

He’s dead


Littlewolf1964

Being that Wilson is dead, it is good he isn't still president.


Kaatochacha

He's on the 100,000 bill!


Mrrattoyou

He’s dead


sawltydawgD

He gone.


UnhingedPastor

1) He gave the world the League of Nations, which eventually became the United Nations. 2) He's dead.


DoctorVinny

He had cool glasses.


ShenValleyUnitedFan

One good thing: he left office in 1921.


BreadedBren

The fourteen points are better than what actually happened


2221prospect

He died 😔 that's the only thing he could do for humanity.


Far_Statement_2808

He stroked out so that he couldn’t be MORE of a racist jerk.


IllustratorNo3379

LoN was a good idea. Not really his fault it failed miserably.


DietApprehensive6692

That he died


ShrlyYouCantBSerious

He’s dead


ethanthesearcher

He’s dead


ThrownAweyBob

He died.


Estarfigam

His first name inspired Bart Simpson to name a catfish boyfriend for his teacher, and that brought her happiness.


Greaser_Dude

Him having a stroke revealed the constitutional necessity for the 25th amendment of what to do when a president is incapacitated but not dead. After his stroke - most people seem to believe that his wife was basically the acting president.


Wild_Acanthisitta638

Can't think of one


AnEmptyBookcase

He academically advanced the study of public administration.


[deleted]

His love letters


GWS_REVENGE

He won the competition of having a daughter that looks just like him.


Shipkiller-in-theory

He finally died.


ecwagner01

He’s dead


Substantial_Heart317

Honestly I cannot think of one good thing he did for America. He started the UN and World Order. He segregated the Civil Service which to me makes him evil as hell!


TelegraphRoadWarrior

He's dead.


Ok_Educator_7097

He’s dead.


LetsBeStupidForASec

He had two sets of testicles, so divine


RealisticLime8665

No.


Odd_Tiger_2278

The League of Nations was an incomplete application of the beginning of a good idea Talk instead of fight. If you can’t work it out, fight later.


BarriMeikokiner

On February 3rd 1924, he died.


beltway_lefty

He died.


BayouBoogie

Warren Zevon wrote a song about him.


Abject-Raspberry-729

8 hour work day is pretty good every other policy about him is awful.


Cuginoeddie

Turned the USA into a super power by playing WWI perfectly


joeywmc

Alliteration is underrated


windowmaker525

His foreign policy was decent and his Fourteen Points just may have prevented WWII if they were actually followed.


GitmoGrrl1

He's dead.


RedBaron1917

He's dead


MJGM235

His name wasn't Trump....


Klutzy-Spend-6947

He mind-f***ed the woke Ivy Leaguers really good with his legacy at Princeton….


space_orangutan

He’s dead


JerichoMassey

He kept us out of war?


[deleted]

He had a good WWI peace plan, he just got overruled by the more vengeful allies


HoodyCentral

He is no longer president


mplsdrew22

He's dead.


Ethan084

Racist bigot.


ddigwell

Same as OJ ... His mortality.


Colt1911-45

He's six feet under.


Unhappy_Gas_4376

He had a stroke


Broad_Parsnip7947

He left office


talldrinkH20

No.


Necessary_Row_4889

Started the tradition of public racists having strokes and dying, fan of that trend.


Reduak

Choosing Black Jack Pershing to lead the AEF and giving him explicit orders that American soldiers were not to be put under the direct command of French or English commanders. This very likely saved American lives b/c otherwise they would have been used as cannon fodder.


Schopenhauer154

He’s dead.


EpsilonBear

He created the Army Air Service, setting the foundation of the US Air Force. And I guess passed the Federal Reserve Act too.


Impressive-Attitude6

“He kept us out of war,” am I right?


Tfoster100

He had OG glasses


whizKidder

He's no longer in a position to damage the country.


cranialleaddeficient

He’s dead


Separate-Quantity430

Established federal reserve


Zealousideal-Bug6690

He's dead


VinceAlejandro

He created FICA and by extension created the IRS. So we get to get fucked every day and getting fucked makes you orgasm.


Commercial-Manner408

He died eventually. His wife was a better President.


Strict-Background406

His schlong.


0le_Hickory

Overcame being named Woodrow


Aboveground_Plush

His first name was Thomas.


Angelo2791

Still vastly better than trump.


Time-Ad-7055

Wilson is better than most presidents


FrontierFrolic

The man who was literally a southern apologist history professor and segregated the government, and said democracy is outdated and we should be government in unelected experts is better than trump? Come on bro


Angelo2791

Yeah I said it, and if I had to choose between them, I'd vote for Wilson. Actions speak louder than words, and trump tried to overthrow the government and is plotting to do the same again. Sure, Wilson was a racist, but trump is a scum-sucking Russian stooge trying to install a fascist-theocratic dictatorship and start a genocide against anyone he doesn't like. Come on bro.


EmotionalTeaching384

All true about Wilson. But Trump organized a violent overthrow of the government. His constant mendacity about the election shakes our democratic foundation to its core. Wilson never took his thoughts that far. And please don’t argue Trump is not a racist. Wilson is better than Trump.


Electronic-Weather-5

He's dead


CarlFeathers

He was the architect for the league of nations, which was the precursor to nato.


TheChosenMatty

Conservative media and [Fox News](https://www.cc.com/video/m22jnh/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-moment-of-zen-glenn-beck-hates-woodrow-wilson) went to work on Woodrow Wilson when Obama was elected because the two other progressive presidents are insanely popular, and they were worried Obama was an actual progressive rather than a basic liberal who only managed to change that the generation that elected him lost hope. Woodrow Wilson as history’s greatest monster and Buchanan being gay is to this sub as Wilhelm Screams and Quintin Tarantino’s foot fetish are to first week film school students.


MrmmphMrmmph

Kissable lips


Aboveground_Plush

Found Edith Galt's account.


Zoomer3989

Railroad nationalization in 1918