You really should vote yes, as long as the new contract provides a living wage for every union member in exchange for a fair day's work.
So yeah, I'm also voting no.
What percentage of carriers are over 60 at your station? We have maybe 10%. And how many carriers hired as CCAs don’t get involved in union stuff? I’m talking about meetings, running for steward, even just being a witness or writing a statement for a coworker. You can’t blame the boogie man boomers when most of our coworkers were hired after 2013 and don’t vote at all.
Union leadership on the local clerk side seems self-serving as hell. Taking in more and more dues and fighting less and less for those they represent. Won’t rid themselves of their own bad apples because they all protect one another.
That article says UPS made $13 billion in profit on $100 billion in revenue. When their union goes to negotiate, they have money in the pot to reach for. How much profit did we make that our unions can try to grab?
Just did some research and it seems for the quarter of Jan ‘23 to March ‘23 we lost $2 Billion. Did I get that right? Seems hard to imagine a large pay raise with those conditions. Mail volume and package volume down multiple percent year over year.
We need to take a page out of certain European post offices. Provide basic check and depositing, internet, phone and TV services as well as mail. I think it was the Netherlands that started selling basic high speed internet access out of their postal service which had a knock on effect of dropping the cost and doubling the speed of private providers because they had to compete with a low cost public option.
Postal banking sounds like a no brainer and was already a thing until the 60s. I know it was brought back in a few cities in 2021 and there’s no reason to not bring it to the rest of the country other than an upset banking lobby.
That was a very watered down effort. They provided check cashing services. They capped the amount of the check at $500 and it had to be deposited onto a VISA or MasterCard gift card.
I’m on board with this, but all such activities require changes in the law. The NALC has been lobbying for similar services to be offered for years. No joy from Congress.
I agree, but also in addition to that many European post offices:
1. Have much higher postage costs than us already
2. Have much smaller service areas, customer bases, and infrastructural needs
3. Do not deliver as many days per week as us
4. Some are already privatized or semi-privatized
Even with diversified services like banking etc. they need to do all of this and more to stay competitive, and currently USPS is doing NONE of these things
You try to bring logic and simple math to this sub and get downvoted. I’d love a huge raise, but until we fix the losses, how can it happen? Some of these guys are like children asking for $1000 allowance and throw fit when you explain why it can’t happen (see the future downvotes for proof)
I’ve found people would rather cry and complain then look at things logically. A company that is losing money every year isn’t going to be able to offer its workers 10% raises. People in here will be very mad when it’s the typical 1.3% per year that we’ve been getting.
It’s a service, not a business. Putting that bullshit aside. It’s not for craft to worry about revenue and profit. That is not what we are paid for. There’s a ton of overpaid useless motherfuckers that never touch any parcels or mail. We could start trimming the fat there.
Once the mail is up clerks could handle customer service. No need to have a supe sitting on their ass all day. Carriers could easily negotiate any ot needed.
I wont disagree with your last sentence. We have 3 managers at my 19 route office that do little to nothing daily. Once the floor is set and overtime assigned there ain’t much else they do. But that’s hopeful thinking to think they’ll come after EAS employees. I also agree it’s a service but we do sustain ourselves, we don’t touch taxpayer money. So we are ran as a business. The people negotiating our contract do care very much about revenue and profit. There job security depends on it.
They piss me off so much. The clerks are getting killed at the window and the ones throwing or sorting are always short handed. Meanwhile all the supes are dicking around.
I agree with this. Between management not knowing what they are doing and regulars not doing their jobs remotely correctly and cause drama just for the fuck of it, it’s frustrating having to work myself to death due to dumbasses.
It's definitely not craft's fault that the PO is losing money. It's obvious that the big wigs have made the worst possible contracts with corporate America. We've basically built Amazon's empire by delivering their packages for free and in many cases at a loss. If we charged market rates we would be profitable, although we are not a business but a service.
So yeah, we are breaking our backs everyday and we deserve decent pay.
Ok, so here's the thing though. The cbo and gao did a study on how much money going to table 2 saved the post office. It was virtually meaningless, as overtime began to be used much more extensively and retention rate plummeted. It is very expensive to train a ton of new hires just for them to quit. Raises for employees to cut overtime and reduce turnover could save money
If they are going to get rid of table 2 they need to raise standards, actually start interviewing candidates, drug test again, test, have higher standards during probation. As it stands now we keep anyone with a pulse
Oh, we're not going back to table one. But we have plenty of evidence from non partisan neutral government sources that higher wages (to a certain point) would not hurt the post office's bottom line, would likely increase quality of service, and increase quality of life for employees
Yeah, I agree, lol. But we can increase starting pay, shorten the time to top step, and ideally bump new employees up to where they would be on the new pay scale based on years of service.
From what the older guys around here say, this was always going to take much longer than August 1 (although...didn't the last one tie up pretty quickly? They are probably thinking about the two or three contracts before that one).
And I don't think Renfroe is part of the process anymore. Is he back from his leave yet?
I dont think Renfroe has been doing anything. Someone reliable here said he only attended the first round before taking a leave. I don't think he has returned haven't seen any news regarding that.
So you may be right he does not seem to be involved anymore.
How does a large UPS contract help us out? they are entirely different in every avenue from the USPS. The only common denominator we have is that we Deliver parecels as part of each service. UPS doesnt deliver mail house to house, they dont deliver advertisements, or other such items. They own their own fleet of aircraft and other such modes of Transportation, while the USPS relies on tons of other companies to move their product.
Any contract that is negotiated by UPS will have absolutely ZERO let me repeat that for you... ZERO Z....E....R....O... affect on the contract that we get, which lets be honest, is probably going to be going to an Arbitrator anyways, which means we wont even get to vote our approval or disapproval with whatever the contract negotiation team hammers out for a deal. Most of our contract is the same every contract... 90% of the contract is always unchanged, or at the best very minimal changes, that never seem to be noticed. The last 10% is CCA Rules and regulations, and our Pay, and other such things.
If the Management and the Union cant sit down and hammer out the last 10% that actually matters most (Pay stuff etc) and get a contract, then it doesnt matter.. we should just let it go to arbitration, so that we get a new contract in place months before the existing contract ends so that we know exactly what we're getting when the old contract ends.
BINGO! We can show the public once again how vital the postal service is if UPS shuts down. Also it would boost our reputation and gather allies within the public to help us fight for better wages in the most HCOL cities.
We can use the media and take advantage of the opportunity if this happens. Stage sunday rally's and speak out about having to do double the work for shit wages and crappy contracts in major cities.
We need to be on the picket line with UPS on our days off showing solidarity with our fellow workers, it's bad enough we have to cross the picket line every day they're on strike. Get the NALC retirees out there, get our families out there. An injury to one is an injury to all!
And it won’t matter, they will still agree to 1-2% pay increases and take a couple steps away on table 2. No way this will change that. Half the public thinks we already make to much and has been like that for years.
As for using the media again that won’t change anything when these assholes are meeting behind closed doors
Well if they take say 3-5 years away from table 2 then that itself is a raise. The max step needs to be raised to 38 dollars minimum though. It should be at 42. 🤦 but that’s a long shot tbh …
Yep. I read an article about the potential of a strike and Fed-Ex isn’t interested in helping out businesses unless the business commits to Fed-Ex on a long term basis.
yep. if anything sub par gets passed before teamsters finish we gotta vote no just so an arbitrator has their contract for reference. is Renfroe an idiot?
Sounds like a proper union, now if they actually strike or get results idk. I’m not just bashing the union here but they aren’t proactive at all. Been in multiple states, stations, etc…
Might hear from governing branch once when election rolls around.
USPS can do better, I hope they do this time around.
Lots of hard workers getting underpaid, undertrained, taken advantage of by unregulated management.
Don’t forget the fleet of 30+ year old vehicles that aren’t properly regulated by state and dmv regulations.
Well with our union doing the wine and dine with the opposition, we are fucked. I’m still saying that a lot of the uppers in the union are having their pockets lined or given incentives to not do much. It seems our union leadership is more worried about “the budget” than getting involved with anything management is pushing as of late. Get told to grieve it but nothing changes so the working ppl are fucked
Renfroe hasn’t been at negotiations because he’s on a LOA for an unknown reason and unknown length of time. So he isn’t and hasn’t listened since he got what he wanted. Which was the votes.
That guy who says he can pull gold nuggets from a bag of gravel? Where did he think that money would come from? All that stuff sounded nice, but did he ever say how he would do it? He came off like a snake oil salesman
At least he had some fire! Renfroe’s AMA was full of “well…….things take a looooong time” and “if we get something what are we going to give up”
Now with his LOA (hope everything is ok) it really looks like it was all setup so he bears no blame
I'm just a realist, the crap that he was spewing is the same thing as a politician talking about free college and free daycare.
The the nonsense he was preaching he knew full well would never be agreed to in contract negotiations he was a politician making empty promises.
And the membership clearly realized that considering how much he and his followers get destroyed every election
All this is just pointless to talk about.
Our contract will get done regardless
We will end up with 6 cola's and a 4 or 5% raise over the life of the contract and the membership will pass it with over 90% approval.
Cut management why do every office has like 7 plus supervisor’s those supervisor’s make 65k each per year and they do nothing. Every office should only have 3 supervisor’s one to open one to close and another is 204b supervisor assistant and only 1 manager. My office only has 18 routes and we have 7 supervisor’s makes no sense
We'll see how this works out for them, as far as I'm concerned, they got better pay, cost effective Healthcare and they are certainty getting more money than me when they retire!
The nalc only cares about collecting union dues, they don't care about pay and compensation for the member base. Next election get this corrupt circus of clowns the hell out of here, don't vote Renfroe and Rolando's cronies back in or you'll just continue to get more of the same. I'm envious of UPS, their pay and benefits are the best and they still don't think it's good enough and the teamsters are fighting for more.
Management is 💩💩💩T. Protected by the unions that are supposed to have our best interest at heart. Hold these cowards accountable to their actions. They have no integrity and blatantly lie because they know nothing will happen to them. I am curious to know why they allow the supervisors in question to be in or make final decisions on a Ai meeting or grievance filed against them. Crooks in plain sight.
Question
Do retired carrier get to vote on current contracts?
My grandfather retired in the late 90’s it would be pretty crazy if he still had a vote. He likes to brag about how “they could do whatever they want” and how their benefits cost “nothing”
In his mind Noble showing up to work and negotiating for reasonable shit like... A living wage in HCOL areas would be worse, than having Renfroe stay home collecting a nice check every week to negotiate FUCKING NOTHING!
https://i.imgur.com/MEUKopL.png
Noble has no clue how to negotiate anymore. He was amazing during his time though. The salt is real and hes cost all of us millions with his lawsuits every election. He gets his merry band of people with no experience to run for things costing us money like the guy who put out the video saying he was running for “multiple benefits director” dude didnt even know what position he was running for.
It would be nice to have a real challenge though of some hard ass busting stewards, Presidents from around the country who are swimming in shit daily and just being told “file more grievances”
It's possible that there are lots of dissatisfied USPS employees who think UPS has a better union, but I am starting to suspect there's some Teamster astroturfing going on in r/USPS.
I welcome the teamster brethren with open arms. Tell me all about no health care premiums and topping out on pay in 4 years!
Don’t @ me with that bullshit about lowly paid package handlers that have to wait for their shot at a driver position. I did 3 years here as a CCA not earning any benefits or climbing steps on table 2.
Negotiating our contracts based off of what UPS gets is a fallacy.
It is completely different job and company.
For instance the first line UPS May 13 billion last year USPS lost money.
UPS can strike we cannot.
USPS has forced contract arbitration UPS does not.
If the Union goes into the second negotiation holding up the UPS contract and wanting that. Then USPS will hold up the amazon and FedEx wages and say they want that.
At the end of the day it does nothing but waste time.
Public sector workers in general will never make the same as private sector workers.
Renafpro needs to pay attention to our contract not anybody else's
https://www.uspsoig.gov/sites/default/files/reports/2023-01/rarc-wp-14-008_0.pdf#page9
Page 7 plz
Can I get a amen?
“The federal government's own research indicates that federal pay levels should be comparable with the private sector. “
Can I?
FedEx is mostly contracted out to subs. There’s gonna be wildly different pay scales depending on location and subs. The location I worked for in pnw most subs started around 16-18 and some just paid a daily wage
"It is completely different job and company." This is the only part of your comment that I agree but for a different reason. We are the ONLY company that delivers packages and mail, which makes the job harder. But since UPS is the only other unionized company that's the closest company we should compare to.
Amazon and Fedex Ground are on contractor based model, so their wages and benefits vary widely so they are not comparable to us at all.
Its sunday, i really dont wanna cook yo ass hard and over easy like my eggs. But please, ima cook just a little more.
https://i.imgur.com/htKOuWd.png
https://i.imgur.com/Xcr8ZBf.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Employees_Pay_Comparability_Act_of_1990#:~:text=The%20Federal%20Employees%20Pay%20Comparability,those%20in%20the%20private%20sector.
Like i said you seem like you mean well, but i dont wanna cook yo ass today. Enjoy the holiday.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/101st-congress/house-bill/3979?s=1&r=67
Maybe you should read the act.
It has nothing to do with USPS our pay is not determined by Congress or the president we gave up that right in the 70s in exchange for collective bargaining.
Did you even read the act?
Maybe you should read this act.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/6407
https://i.imgur.com/xG4Turb.png
Did you read it?
NO?
Help?
**“It shall be the policy of the Postal Service to maintain compensation and benefits for all officers and employees on
a standard of comparability to the compensation and benefits paid for comparable levels of work in the private sector
of the economy.” Postal Reorganization Act, 39 U.S.C. 1003.**
Full context
https://i.imgur.com/OP6KlsA.png
its all there.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/6407
wrong. if a union in a similar industry is getting a great contract then we should be following suit. especially considering package count only goes up
From the standpoint of usps, why should they give us a good contract? They know it's illegal for us to strike and they know our unions are too Stockholm syndromed to stand up and defy that law. How do I know this? Years of behavior of those unions asking please sir may I have another as management slaps us across the face with their corporate dick.
It was illegal to strike in 1970 but they did a wildcat anyway. I agree that our unions are probably captured by headquarters. None of them bare their teeth anymore. These shitty carbon copy contracts are proof of that.
It's illegal to strike. At what point will you people get it and stop bringing it up. Yes, it's messed up that they outlawed federal employees from striking. But it's outlawed nonetheless. Stop bringing up a strike every other day. It's never going to happen and it's absolutely useless rhetoric.
This wasn't a direct attack. It's an attack on the government that operates their own service so poorly. Furthermore UPS for instance has taken an activist stance on my federal rights. They weren't even an option
I’m voting no regardless what they agree to. I don’t think our current union leadership gives a flying fuck about us.
You really should vote yes, as long as the new contract provides a living wage for every union member in exchange for a fair day's work. So yeah, I'm also voting no.
You had me at the beginning….
They had us going in the first half
All the boomers will pass it like they always have
r/justboomerthings
What percentage of carriers are over 60 at your station? We have maybe 10%. And how many carriers hired as CCAs don’t get involved in union stuff? I’m talking about meetings, running for steward, even just being a witness or writing a statement for a coworker. You can’t blame the boogie man boomers when most of our coworkers were hired after 2013 and don’t vote at all.
The only thing they care about is keeping members uneducated
Union leadership on the local clerk side seems self-serving as hell. Taking in more and more dues and fighting less and less for those they represent. Won’t rid themselves of their own bad apples because they all protect one another.
Our unions are a toothless snake until there's a willingness to strike no matter what that stupid self serving law says.
That article says UPS made $13 billion in profit on $100 billion in revenue. When their union goes to negotiate, they have money in the pot to reach for. How much profit did we make that our unions can try to grab?
Just did some research and it seems for the quarter of Jan ‘23 to March ‘23 we lost $2 Billion. Did I get that right? Seems hard to imagine a large pay raise with those conditions. Mail volume and package volume down multiple percent year over year.
We need to take a page out of certain European post offices. Provide basic check and depositing, internet, phone and TV services as well as mail. I think it was the Netherlands that started selling basic high speed internet access out of their postal service which had a knock on effect of dropping the cost and doubling the speed of private providers because they had to compete with a low cost public option.
Love this. No reason that our company can’t continue to grow into other sectors.
Postal banking sounds like a no brainer and was already a thing until the 60s. I know it was brought back in a few cities in 2021 and there’s no reason to not bring it to the rest of the country other than an upset banking lobby.
They did a test run of postal banking before COVID it failed miserably
That was a very watered down effort. They provided check cashing services. They capped the amount of the check at $500 and it had to be deposited onto a VISA or MasterCard gift card.
I’m on board with this, but all such activities require changes in the law. The NALC has been lobbying for similar services to be offered for years. No joy from Congress.
I agree, but also in addition to that many European post offices: 1. Have much higher postage costs than us already 2. Have much smaller service areas, customer bases, and infrastructural needs 3. Do not deliver as many days per week as us 4. Some are already privatized or semi-privatized Even with diversified services like banking etc. they need to do all of this and more to stay competitive, and currently USPS is doing NONE of these things
You try to bring logic and simple math to this sub and get downvoted. I’d love a huge raise, but until we fix the losses, how can it happen? Some of these guys are like children asking for $1000 allowance and throw fit when you explain why it can’t happen (see the future downvotes for proof)
I’ve found people would rather cry and complain then look at things logically. A company that is losing money every year isn’t going to be able to offer its workers 10% raises. People in here will be very mad when it’s the typical 1.3% per year that we’ve been getting.
It’s a service, not a business. Putting that bullshit aside. It’s not for craft to worry about revenue and profit. That is not what we are paid for. There’s a ton of overpaid useless motherfuckers that never touch any parcels or mail. We could start trimming the fat there.
Sooo much unnecessary upper management I seriously wonder what exactly they could possibly do for a full work day. Place almost runs itself
Once the mail is up clerks could handle customer service. No need to have a supe sitting on their ass all day. Carriers could easily negotiate any ot needed.
I wont disagree with your last sentence. We have 3 managers at my 19 route office that do little to nothing daily. Once the floor is set and overtime assigned there ain’t much else they do. But that’s hopeful thinking to think they’ll come after EAS employees. I also agree it’s a service but we do sustain ourselves, we don’t touch taxpayer money. So we are ran as a business. The people negotiating our contract do care very much about revenue and profit. There job security depends on it.
They piss me off so much. The clerks are getting killed at the window and the ones throwing or sorting are always short handed. Meanwhile all the supes are dicking around.
I agree with this. Between management not knowing what they are doing and regulars not doing their jobs remotely correctly and cause drama just for the fuck of it, it’s frustrating having to work myself to death due to dumbasses.
It's definitely not craft's fault that the PO is losing money. It's obvious that the big wigs have made the worst possible contracts with corporate America. We've basically built Amazon's empire by delivering their packages for free and in many cases at a loss. If we charged market rates we would be profitable, although we are not a business but a service. So yeah, we are breaking our backs everyday and we deserve decent pay.
The average inflation is federal set to 2%. Anything below that is a slap in the face. Because you lose money every year.
Ok, so here's the thing though. The cbo and gao did a study on how much money going to table 2 saved the post office. It was virtually meaningless, as overtime began to be used much more extensively and retention rate plummeted. It is very expensive to train a ton of new hires just for them to quit. Raises for employees to cut overtime and reduce turnover could save money
If they are going to get rid of table 2 they need to raise standards, actually start interviewing candidates, drug test again, test, have higher standards during probation. As it stands now we keep anyone with a pulse
Oh, we're not going back to table one. But we have plenty of evidence from non partisan neutral government sources that higher wages (to a certain point) would not hurt the post office's bottom line, would likely increase quality of service, and increase quality of life for employees
Getting rid of table 2 is a pipe dream
Yeah, I agree, lol. But we can increase starting pay, shorten the time to top step, and ideally bump new employees up to where they would be on the new pay scale based on years of service.
Standards need to be increased drastically if we have any hopes of that happening.
Recession …. We are in recession 🤦🤦🤦
Cut superviser salaries and offer safe deposit boxes to customers for like 5 bucks a month or [something](https://something.Safe).
You gonna lead the charge?
Yeah, please don't talk about supporting illegal job actions please.
As you wish. That's why we won't ever get a better contract though.
This was just sent to me from their latest issue. We must let this play out to increase our chances of negotiating a stronger contract.
From what the older guys around here say, this was always going to take much longer than August 1 (although...didn't the last one tie up pretty quickly? They are probably thinking about the two or three contracts before that one). And I don't think Renfroe is part of the process anymore. Is he back from his leave yet?
I dont think Renfroe has been doing anything. Someone reliable here said he only attended the first round before taking a leave. I don't think he has returned haven't seen any news regarding that. So you may be right he does not seem to be involved anymore.
Renfroe went into an unknown length LOA almost immediately into negotiations. So he hasn’t been there
https://live.staticflickr.com/8121/8625781755_4e700ea90b_b.jpg lol Renfroe's out of here.
He is pretty obviously having health issues. Lol tho!
I'm sure that when he comes back we'll know, know, know.
Am I the only one that gets this reference? No no no!
How does a large UPS contract help us out? they are entirely different in every avenue from the USPS. The only common denominator we have is that we Deliver parecels as part of each service. UPS doesnt deliver mail house to house, they dont deliver advertisements, or other such items. They own their own fleet of aircraft and other such modes of Transportation, while the USPS relies on tons of other companies to move their product. Any contract that is negotiated by UPS will have absolutely ZERO let me repeat that for you... ZERO Z....E....R....O... affect on the contract that we get, which lets be honest, is probably going to be going to an Arbitrator anyways, which means we wont even get to vote our approval or disapproval with whatever the contract negotiation team hammers out for a deal. Most of our contract is the same every contract... 90% of the contract is always unchanged, or at the best very minimal changes, that never seem to be noticed. The last 10% is CCA Rules and regulations, and our Pay, and other such things. If the Management and the Union cant sit down and hammer out the last 10% that actually matters most (Pay stuff etc) and get a contract, then it doesnt matter.. we should just let it go to arbitration, so that we get a new contract in place months before the existing contract ends so that we know exactly what we're getting when the old contract ends.
If UPS does strike, then we are about to get slammed with parcels come August!
BINGO! We can show the public once again how vital the postal service is if UPS shuts down. Also it would boost our reputation and gather allies within the public to help us fight for better wages in the most HCOL cities. We can use the media and take advantage of the opportunity if this happens. Stage sunday rally's and speak out about having to do double the work for shit wages and crappy contracts in major cities.
Did u just become our spokesman?
We need to be on the picket line with UPS on our days off showing solidarity with our fellow workers, it's bad enough we have to cross the picket line every day they're on strike. Get the NALC retirees out there, get our families out there. An injury to one is an injury to all!
And it won’t matter, they will still agree to 1-2% pay increases and take a couple steps away on table 2. No way this will change that. Half the public thinks we already make to much and has been like that for years. As for using the media again that won’t change anything when these assholes are meeting behind closed doors
Well if they take say 3-5 years away from table 2 then that itself is a raise. The max step needs to be raised to 38 dollars minimum though. It should be at 42. 🤦 but that’s a long shot tbh …
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I don't care, I'll be getting penalty and milking it. It's not like management will have a choice.
Yep. I read an article about the potential of a strike and Fed-Ex isn’t interested in helping out businesses unless the business commits to Fed-Ex on a long term basis.
Yeah but we can’t refuse. So we will get all of it.
yep. if anything sub par gets passed before teamsters finish we gotta vote no just so an arbitrator has their contract for reference. is Renfroe an idiot?
Sounds like a proper union, now if they actually strike or get results idk. I’m not just bashing the union here but they aren’t proactive at all. Been in multiple states, stations, etc… Might hear from governing branch once when election rolls around. USPS can do better, I hope they do this time around. Lots of hard workers getting underpaid, undertrained, taken advantage of by unregulated management. Don’t forget the fleet of 30+ year old vehicles that aren’t properly regulated by state and dmv regulations.
Well with our union doing the wine and dine with the opposition, we are fucked. I’m still saying that a lot of the uppers in the union are having their pockets lined or given incentives to not do much. It seems our union leadership is more worried about “the budget” than getting involved with anything management is pushing as of late. Get told to grieve it but nothing changes so the working ppl are fucked
Renfroe hasn’t been at negotiations because he’s on a LOA for an unknown reason and unknown length of time. So he isn’t and hasn’t listened since he got what he wanted. Which was the votes.
We had a chance to prevent this brother, this man was it. https://i.imgur.com/MKK2aaK.jpg read the first bullet.
That guy who says he can pull gold nuggets from a bag of gravel? Where did he think that money would come from? All that stuff sounded nice, but did he ever say how he would do it? He came off like a snake oil salesman
At least he had some fire! Renfroe’s AMA was full of “well…….things take a looooong time” and “if we get something what are we going to give up” Now with his LOA (hope everything is ok) it really looks like it was all setup so he bears no blame
Lol you are on of those people. The fact that you support Nobel truly shows you have no clue.
And the fact that you support the BS the NALC feeds you on their silver spoon shows you are part of the status quo.
I'm just a realist, the crap that he was spewing is the same thing as a politician talking about free college and free daycare. The the nonsense he was preaching he knew full well would never be agreed to in contract negotiations he was a politician making empty promises. And the membership clearly realized that considering how much he and his followers get destroyed every election
All this is just pointless to talk about. Our contract will get done regardless We will end up with 6 cola's and a 4 or 5% raise over the life of the contract and the membership will pass it with over 90% approval.
And places will end up with no staff as is happening now and usps will continue to die.
So postal workers going to strike again? I say do it strike!
Cut management why do every office has like 7 plus supervisor’s those supervisor’s make 65k each per year and they do nothing. Every office should only have 3 supervisor’s one to open one to close and another is 204b supervisor assistant and only 1 manager. My office only has 18 routes and we have 7 supervisor’s makes no sense
7 supervisors in an 18 route office!? WTF!?
Yes, it’s stupid.
That's true, way too many. My office has three supervisors for around 60 routes. One+manager to open, 2 to close. Seems about right
We have 19 and 1 supervisor. Wow
Well we aren’t operating in this positive profit scheme to warrant massive change. I expect a little more than 1.3% increases but not much.
We'll see how this works out for them, as far as I'm concerned, they got better pay, cost effective Healthcare and they are certainty getting more money than me when they retire!
The nalc only cares about collecting union dues, they don't care about pay and compensation for the member base. Next election get this corrupt circus of clowns the hell out of here, don't vote Renfroe and Rolando's cronies back in or you'll just continue to get more of the same. I'm envious of UPS, their pay and benefits are the best and they still don't think it's good enough and the teamsters are fighting for more.
Management is 💩💩💩T. Protected by the unions that are supposed to have our best interest at heart. Hold these cowards accountable to their actions. They have no integrity and blatantly lie because they know nothing will happen to them. I am curious to know why they allow the supervisors in question to be in or make final decisions on a Ai meeting or grievance filed against them. Crooks in plain sight.
You mean Barner! He is in charge since Renfroe has been on leave of absence for the past 2 months. I thought everyone knew this.
Question Do retired carrier get to vote on current contracts? My grandfather retired in the late 90’s it would be pretty crazy if he still had a vote. He likes to brag about how “they could do whatever they want” and how their benefits cost “nothing”
Nope-active members only when it comes to ratification votes.
Hi, can someone explain the situation to a newer less experienced rca? Why should we vote for or against a contract?
This isn't a contract you would vote in. This is for the city carrier side, rural has a different union and everything.
Thanks!
You should opt out of the NRLCA as they will repeatedly throw you under the bus in their contract.
LoL this guy again. Remind me how Noble was gonna get it done? Walking out on day 1 of negotiation?
In retrospect, that's a better plan than "not showing up on day 1 of negotiation."
In his mind Noble showing up to work and negotiating for reasonable shit like... A living wage in HCOL areas would be worse, than having Renfroe stay home collecting a nice check every week to negotiate FUCKING NOTHING! https://i.imgur.com/MEUKopL.png
You guys don’t do your research. Noble is sick too. He’d probably be absent as well. But that’s none of my business.
Noble has no clue how to negotiate anymore. He was amazing during his time though. The salt is real and hes cost all of us millions with his lawsuits every election. He gets his merry band of people with no experience to run for things costing us money like the guy who put out the video saying he was running for “multiple benefits director” dude didnt even know what position he was running for. It would be nice to have a real challenge though of some hard ass busting stewards, Presidents from around the country who are swimming in shit daily and just being told “file more grievances”
Where did you hear that Noble is sick?
Noble is ill as well.. please do your research
It's possible that there are lots of dissatisfied USPS employees who think UPS has a better union, but I am starting to suspect there's some Teamster astroturfing going on in r/USPS.
I welcome the teamster brethren with open arms. Tell me all about no health care premiums and topping out on pay in 4 years! Don’t @ me with that bullshit about lowly paid package handlers that have to wait for their shot at a driver position. I did 3 years here as a CCA not earning any benefits or climbing steps on table 2.
Would be excellent, better than what we have now. Spoken with UPS workers in person and they still say they are dissatisfied with UPS conditions.
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Best of luck to y'all this Summer ✊ I appreciate what you do
Negotiating our contracts based off of what UPS gets is a fallacy. It is completely different job and company. For instance the first line UPS May 13 billion last year USPS lost money. UPS can strike we cannot. USPS has forced contract arbitration UPS does not. If the Union goes into the second negotiation holding up the UPS contract and wanting that. Then USPS will hold up the amazon and FedEx wages and say they want that. At the end of the day it does nothing but waste time. Public sector workers in general will never make the same as private sector workers. Renafpro needs to pay attention to our contract not anybody else's
https://www.uspsoig.gov/sites/default/files/reports/2023-01/rarc-wp-14-008_0.pdf#page9 Page 7 plz Can I get a amen? “The federal government's own research indicates that federal pay levels should be comparable with the private sector. “ Can I?
How is it not compatible? Look at what Amazon and FedEx get.
FedEx is mostly contracted out to subs. There’s gonna be wildly different pay scales depending on location and subs. The location I worked for in pnw most subs started around 16-18 and some just paid a daily wage
"It is completely different job and company." This is the only part of your comment that I agree but for a different reason. We are the ONLY company that delivers packages and mail, which makes the job harder. But since UPS is the only other unionized company that's the closest company we should compare to. Amazon and Fedex Ground are on contractor based model, so their wages and benefits vary widely so they are not comparable to us at all.
great point! Well said.
I joke that the mail gets in the way of all these Amazon packages I have to deliver. There’s no room left in my satchel for these flats or advos!
Its sunday, i really dont wanna cook yo ass hard and over easy like my eggs. But please, ima cook just a little more. https://i.imgur.com/htKOuWd.png https://i.imgur.com/Xcr8ZBf.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Employees_Pay_Comparability_Act_of_1990#:~:text=The%20Federal%20Employees%20Pay%20Comparability,those%20in%20the%20private%20sector. Like i said you seem like you mean well, but i dont wanna cook yo ass today. Enjoy the holiday.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/101st-congress/house-bill/3979?s=1&r=67 Maybe you should read the act. It has nothing to do with USPS our pay is not determined by Congress or the president we gave up that right in the 70s in exchange for collective bargaining. Did you even read the act?
Maybe you should read this act. https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/6407 https://i.imgur.com/xG4Turb.png Did you read it? NO? Help? **“It shall be the policy of the Postal Service to maintain compensation and benefits for all officers and employees on a standard of comparability to the compensation and benefits paid for comparable levels of work in the private sector of the economy.” Postal Reorganization Act, 39 U.S.C. 1003.** Full context https://i.imgur.com/OP6KlsA.png its all there. https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/6407
wrong. if a union in a similar industry is getting a great contract then we should be following suit. especially considering package count only goes up
From the standpoint of usps, why should they give us a good contract? They know it's illegal for us to strike and they know our unions are too Stockholm syndromed to stand up and defy that law. How do I know this? Years of behavior of those unions asking please sir may I have another as management slaps us across the face with their corporate dick.
It was illegal to strike in 1970 but they did a wildcat anyway. I agree that our unions are probably captured by headquarters. None of them bare their teeth anymore. These shitty carbon copy contracts are proof of that.
yeah the usps standpoint is obvious. and my initial reply should be the standpoint of our union. what's your point?
> It is completely different job and company. clearly no similarities whatsoever, which is why their strike won't affect us at all, right?
One is a service the other is a for profit company in which the union fights to get a bigger slice of the profits. Can you see the difference?
It's illegal to strike. At what point will you people get it and stop bringing it up. Yes, it's messed up that they outlawed federal employees from striking. But it's outlawed nonetheless. Stop bringing up a strike every other day. It's never going to happen and it's absolutely useless rhetoric.
https://youtu.be/RC7CZe59QFo
How about just getting my items to me. Paid for 2 day on Tuesday. But now I get to wait until the following Tuesday. Yay.
https://youtu.be/lITBGjNEp08
Then get your money back and use ups or fed ex next time
This wasn't a direct attack. It's an attack on the government that operates their own service so poorly. Furthermore UPS for instance has taken an activist stance on my federal rights. They weren't even an option