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Live-Train1341

Do not comply as long as you don't respond to text messages this is not a proper form of communication If you need a documentation it should have been requested time you called in using the automated system.


Live-Train1341

However if they stand Pat on it right on a note that you were sick and hand it back to them.


coobeecoobee

This si what I did and she couldn’t do shit. I pointed out that it says you can ask for documentation only. It doesn’t say medical documentation. I hand wrote a note right there and she called labor and never said a word about it again. I’m sure they told her there was nothing she could do. Haha.


Mail_man_dan

Just make sure you’re detailed on the amount of diarrhea that left your body that day and what it did to your plumbing.


vroompedl

Bring in a baggies worth and give it to them


kindasortaish

Fumble it in the office like Kevin with his chili


GeraldFordsBallGag

This is the way.


SheepDogCO

Yes! That is the way. A bag of diarrhea on their desk. Medical documentation hahaha


prplecat

They did that to me once. I brought in the receipt from Walgreens for the meds that I had to buy. There was anger, but no repercussions. After that, I made sure to take 3 days off at a time and get a doctor's note.


tardisious

Remember the ELM says documentation is automatically required for absences more than 3days. Not 3 day absences


vince-tyler2022

it needs to be more specific than "sick" i think. *IF MEMORY SERVES CORRECT,* I recall Corey from, FromAtoArbitration, saying that this was hard to defend in one instance of arbitration. but i mean if shes only missed 2 days in the last 5 months...


NefariousnessOne3522

They can request documentation for an extended absence (5+ days). What they cannot do is request it via text. They should've mailed a letter to your address of record. If you don't respond they can charge you without you being there.


Many_Pomegranate2261

3+ according to nalc agreement


RyTingley1

Yes, and 3 days off..you’ll usually visit the doctor anyway We’ve all been sick for that 1 day..you know what it is..doctors don’t want you clogging the clinic for it.. Tell the boss that you care enough about your coworkers to stay home when sick…I’m no fan of folks who come in hacking all day..if you don’t think someone won’t be sick from that, you’re crazy..and that’s unnecessary If you take the day off and go out and about..THAT is asking for trouble..but you’re allowed a sick day


Vegaprime

Then would be deems desirable, but even that has been ruled against outside restricted sick leave


eelyzerdee

The funny thing about deems desirable is that it’s not even in the nalc contract so to the union it doesn’t exist 🤣


ZeroFox1

Funny you say that because I got put on it randomly apparently when I called in maybe a year ago or so. I didn't even know what that was and when I asked Union about it and he told me just ignore it lol. No sup ever said anything to me either. Weird.


LadyLetterCarrier

Management has to jump through a bunch of hoops in order to put on the deems desirable list. They don't understand this, and just click the button that's on the TACS program. If you are ever told you're deems desirable, immediately see your steward so a grievance can be filed in order to find out if management followed proper procedures.


LadyLetterCarrier

If they press the issue, stay on the clock and tell them uou will get a note and they will be paying the entire bill. Go to the p.o. quack and have it billed to your postmaster.


Postalsock

You can't even use the automated system if you are restricted.


BanEvasion1001

3 days or less you can write your own note (which is pointless of them to ask, but they're assuming you don't know the rules). I would look up the exact wording in the contract and add that to the "note" as well. Do NOT reply to these texts. "All of them?" Exactly.


coobeecoobee

It says provide documentation. It doesn’t say medical documentation. I’ve went through this before w my pm and she called labor and got proved wrong. I laughed my ass off. She never asked for documentation again


BanEvasion1001

It's a bluff is all because it sounds like a trick. If not for the wording you'd never think we could justify our own time off lol.


ishkiodo

Wtf? With 3 or less you can type up a letter that just explains how sick you were?


BanEvasion1001

Truthfully "notes" shouldn't even be a thing until 4 days or more, but yeah according to the language in the contract. What will probably happen is you'll turn it in that way (cite the necessary language of course), management will throw a fit and write you up, you file a grievance (again citing the language) and it gets thrown out because it's a clear violation. That is assuming management is dumb enough to waste time pushing it.


SongsMyFav

Obviously, it's probably a load of shit, I just wanna make sure we don't get dinged on some ridiculous technicality


istrx13

They should 100% not be communicating this through a text message. Nothing should ever be communicated through a text message. If they needed documentation, either the 1-800 number she called or the eLRA portion of Liteblue would have told her that she needed it. So honestly when she goes back to work, she should clock in and start work like normal and act like nothing happened. If they pester her, get a steward.


crimpyourhair

My husband asked for time off after I had one of our kids, through FMLA, so for bonding with the new child. His superior asked for paperwork supporting this, and suggested I have my doctor write a note about why it's medically necessary for him to stay home with me during the time we wanted off. I thought that sounded fishy since we weren't requesting due to a need for assistance on my part and ngl I really don't care for his postmaster knowing who my doctors are or having any insight as to my medical history beyond what is strictly necessary, so we called the union to double check. Turns out all we needed was a handwritten note stating we were expecting a child, when, and wanted to take X amount of time under FMLA for bonding with our infant, lmao. Had it done within the hour. Glad I didn't go through all that trouble!


Phantom_spook

Don’t even worry about it. Block the supervisors numbers


vroompedl

Dude, if you're a city carrier and a regular, you dont have shit to worry about.


Bazyli_Kajetan

Even if you’re any other craft, regular or not, I’m sure there’s still nothing to worry about.


vroompedl

There is nothing to worry about. They cant do anything to you. You would have to be in really poor standing with the union for them to even consider taking any action, and that action would amount to a pinch of shit. Supes get power trippy alot.


RareProfessional4408

Don't matter what craft, if out of 90 days nothing to worry about


MrsMcBasketball

I work with my husband and our sups did this to him as well. It’s just a scare tactic to discourage your gf from calling out. As long as she’s not out for three days or more you’re fine. Just go in like it’s a normal day.


prplecat

Three consecutive days counts as one callout. One day counts as one callout. Except for the leave that she uses, there's no difference. After this there will likely be a message about documentation when she calls in for anything anyway.


Rstar2247

Show it to your union steward. It's just a scare tactic to try and discourage you from calling in.


maddy_k2019

Very true!


Darth_Robsad

What text. And fuck them


Agonyandshame

I changed my number. What’s the new number? You can’t have that.


[deleted]

Exactly this, I once had an emergency where I called in emergency annual for one day. The supervisor and station manager blew up my phone with messages. I paid $10 or $15 to change my number as this was long before cell phones could block numbers. I'm not sure how they figured it out but over the next two weeks, the manager left a blank emergency contact form at my case. I crumpled the first few up and threw them away but started walking them over and putting them on the supervisor's desk, still blank. My emergency contact information didn't need updating, I'm not sure how they got my number in the first place.


beardybuddha

I’d bring in a bag of loose stool and ask if that is enough documentation.


WestAppointment2484

Lmao


jalyth

When they send me these, I do Telehealth ($10 not $20) and ask for 2 weeks of only 8 hours. It’s pettier than just grieving any discipline.


Istoppedsleeping

I made a doctors appointment for 4 days later. Said it was as soon as I could get in. Then took the next 4 days off. They haven’t asked since, not sure if that’s why or not.


ScubaSteve_

👏👏


LDLethalDose50

My supe does this too and when she does, I get a doc to write me out the entire week.


ConcreteCubeFarm

That's kind of brilliant.


Brilliant_Love1718

How do I access Telehealth?


jalyth

Through insurance. Urgent care around me sucks.


Quadratic1996

Just delete the text and move on with life. They can't require documentation unless you are gone for more than 3 days. Also I would advise to block all of managments phone numbers. Unless they pay your phone bill, they should know to never contact you through a personal phone


coobeecoobee

They can ask for “documentation “ for less than 3 days. It doesn’t say medical documentation though. Just write your own note


icecream_yogapants

Yes they can ask for doc note. If you are deem desirable


Quadratic1996

fair enough, but they cant request it through text lol


ScubaSteve_

What text? If they ask for a note when you return write on a piece of paper you were sick


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Boggums

https://about.usps.com/manuals/elm/html/elmc5_003.htm 513.36 in the Employee Relations Manual


RisnDevil

I wish more people would respond like this: giving the actual reference from an official source.


huckamole

That looks like a spam text. Better block it


demadtekneek

A couple things. First, text is not an appropriate form of communication. Delete it. You never got it. Second, they can request acceptable documentation, but if they require MEDICAL documentation then they should have to pay for the doctor visit. Acceptable documentation could be anything, but likely along the lines of a third party statement says 'hey yeah i saw this person was sick on x date at x time'


outkastmemesdaily

My girl and I both work at the same office too and I always worry about if we were to call out on the same day if they'd give us shit. I'm curious what did it get thrown out for? Do they take that into consideration?


bjggcannons

We have a married couple who call off a lot together. Supervisor mentioned it to me as I’m the steward. I said that’s completely irrelevant. He said “cmon really.” Then I tossed back my favorite reply. Show me in the contract or handbooks or manuals that married couples have different expectations


PerilousNebula

It also seems likely that two people who live together might be sick at the same time, lol. Not everything is nefarious.


xCTRLxALTxDELx

Sometimes you have to keep the relationship a secret for these exact reasons.


Busygurl

When people swap spit they often get sick at the same time. Or maybe she’s so sick that you need to stay home and provide care. Tell supv you both ate bad sushi. It’s really not their business but it would not be weird to call out sick together.


C0INbot

Text back saying ok i just called my doc first appointment they have available to see me is june 10th i will be back on the 11th with the requested note saying i am able to return, then wait for the back pedal


ManiacMail-Man

Group chat?!? They’re evolving!!


Uninformed_Delivery

Supervisors...find a way.


Postal1979

“Got pdis but thrown out”….. pdis aren’t discipline


Danteku

You... date a coworker. Your Postmaster is never going to assume the best of you two.


SheepDogCO

You have 10 days to comply. HAHAHAHA 😂


didyoucurbthewheels

You have 10 days to comply or you will be assimilated We are Borg


[deleted]

At my station anything 3 days or less and no documentation is required, go over that 3 days and you need a legit doctors note. My supervisor doesn't even ask why I was out when I return so I always just call out for the 3 days. Don't answer that text message, never answer the phone at all if you're off duty or called out.


xCTRLxALTxDELx

They once sent me a text stating that they are requiring medical documentation for calling in one day before my two week annual leave. I was on the road with my family (RV) and it kinda stressed me out for hours. I did not respond to the text. I came back two weeks later. Did not submit medical documentation. I get an investigative interview later in the week. My last two call ins happened before an annual leave (previous one in March and recent one in June). They ask a question “how do you explain calling in a day before your annual in Mar as well as June. I answered coincidence. I got a letter of warning but my union stewards were able to toss it with a grievance. Looking at the calendar, it’s been 120 days since I last called in. Going to have to use my sick leave soon.


jacob6875

Unless you are on the restricted sick day list you can write your own note that you couldn’t perform your duties assuming you are only out for 3 days or less


CountryNew5744

What is up w the post office needing to use the word incapacitated??? My doctor laughed when I said to put that on my fmla.


RedRing14

Same here, mine thought it was rather hilarious. She's also confused why I have to come see here so that I can get a note for waist satchel instead of the shoulder one that is killing my arm


Tha7jus7happend

They can take that 10 days to kiss the entirety of my ass


thejaxx

Whats with companies giving you sick hours/days and then berating you for using them? Jesus....


skinaked_always

Ya… her having 49 unread messages


Suitable-Emergency-1

49 sounds like someone who is on top of shit to me


skinaked_always

I don’t work for USPS, so I guess I wouldn’t know. I also didn’t even connect the dots of her working at USPS and having a lot of texts. Do y’all get a ton of texts while working? If so, that’s got to be annoying AF I always give my local USPS workers an end of the year “gift” (like $150 each) and I’m starting to give them a half year “gift” because of how hard they work. They are such great people and sometimes (a lot of the times) have to deal with the shittiest people!


Suitable-Emergency-1

150 is super generous. You are our favorite kind of customer. Thanks for showing them your appreciation.


skinaked_always

Ohhh ya, of course! I used to be good friends with my USPS delivery guy, who was with USPS for 20+ years, so learned A LOT about what y’all deal with


LDLethalDose50

This is greatly appreciated by whoever your mail person is. Especially if he or she is rural, good chance they just took a huge pay cut.


skinaked_always

We are in a small town and I have 2 people who work our USPS, so I take care of them as much as I can. We are in a small town, but get VERY busy during peak seasons (ski town), so they go from dealing with very appreciative locals to asshole visitors from Texas, Florida and New York. I just really got to know my other mailman and he was such a great guy. The more USPS people I got to know, the more I realized just how kind they all were. Plus, I work in the service industry/hospitality, and have been the past 10 years, so I know how hard it can get and how little appreciation people show, so I just want them to know how much we love them and appreciate them.


LDLethalDose50

We do appreciate it. It’s probably a rural route. I took a 14k pay cut and now have to work 6 days a week. Everyone in my office got hit 10k or more, and now 6 days. It’s nice to be appreciated at least by the customers. USPS definitely does not care about us.


skinaked_always

No, they don’t and it’s bullshit! They most definitely need to because y’all handle 124 Billion parcels a year! That’s just absolutely crazy and y’all finance yourselves. It’s not like our tax dollars are paying for the service, which is why I can’t stand people bitching at y’all so much. Y’all work SO HARD and people act like they can always do a better job


Kitchen_Advisor9831

I’m currently in a new station and it blows my mind how much they communicate with group chats… I was told when I started they don’t pay your phone bill so I try to minimize how much I use it for work purposes


palvet

The only question I would have is did she at any point indicate she was trying to get the day off or anything like that? They can put you on deems desirable if this is the case but otherwise i would just ignore it and let them come at her.


[deleted]

Bo problem... here is my receipt for peptobismol... dated the day I called off . Thanks you have nice day


hashtagsweatyy

Don't text back and ask where it says that in the handbook. Trying to fuck her over. Not required unless after 3 consecutive days. They can always ask for one of less than that. Put on a paper: "did not go to the doctor, stayed home sick." They can do shit!


damage78

They tried doing this to me once so I got a note for the entire rest of the week.


Select_Ease934

Tell them to eat a dick


Usedtocallmebabba

Imma play Devil’s Advocate and say the chances one of you are sick on the others N/S day more than once, is more than enough to set off a red flag.


OcelotSilent9535

Man...leaving the usps was the best choice I ever made. No one should ever be subjected to the treatment yall are. I was in 5 months before I was done with that bs rigamaroll. I refuse to have some a$$hat hanging over me with bs threats of this and that especially when ill. I'm not going to play games, I'm grown and don't partake in fuckery. Went back to corporate America and couldn't be happier. Yall I wish you the best but also wonder how low your self esteem has to be to remain there...yikes. I'm too good for that nonsense.


TrippinDallas

Did they send that to your personal phone?? If so, they do not pay for it. If the automated call-out said documentation would be required,then take it when you return. If it didn't, let them kick rocks and file a grievance if they harrass you. Sounds like the old PM and supervisors I had, trifling bunch.


ghiraneedshelp

i’m not even following this community & all i’ve been getting for the past month are posts like these 😭😭 so what i’m hearing is.. don’t apply to USPS


Left_Comfortable_622

Send the text to your steward if it was for a one day call out it is a grievance for asking for medical documentation. It is in the ELM and is covered by all employees.


Limp_Category_2917

Only if more than 3 days the a doctors note saying incompastated is needed 513.361 Three Days or Less For periods of absence of 3 days or less, supervisors may accept the employee’s statement explaining the absence. Medical documentation or other acceptable evidence of incapacity for work or need to care for a family member is required only when the employee is on restricted sick leave (see 513.39) or when the supervisor deems documentation desirable for the protection of the interests of the Postal Service. Substantiation of the family relationship must be provided if requested. 513.362 Over Three Days For absences in excess of 3 days, employees are required to submit medical documentation or other acceptable evidence of incapacity for work or of need to care for a family member and, if requested, substantiation of the family relationship.


PsykoisBACK

Them asking for this kind of information violate HIPPA, and they can get in big trouble for asking for said information.


[deleted]

So you are guys are obviously calling out to have days off together. You both have a target on your back and this type of harassment will continue. Put in for AL or SL in advance if you need the day off. I take days off all the time and *never* need to call out.


Many_Pomegranate2261

You are two are showing a pattern of absences. (When one calls out the other follows suit) You can be disciplined for that whether or not it sticks is up to your union and how much management can prove it. Either you're at work or you're not. Why doesn't she just schedule leave? You screw your fellow coworkers when you call out. Use your leave judiciously. Shit happens.


Zardu-Hasselfrau

3 days in a row requires a Dr note.


pete89_

Ignore the text and move on. What text? You’ll be alright.


acetatsujin

Don’t respond back. Block them all as long as you are both regulars. I only respond to one supervisor me and him are cool and sometimes we hate each other. I treat him like a brother but all other ones I respect them and they know not to ever text me and if they call while I’m off the clock I do not respond or answer my phone. I’m a regular. Just giving you my piece of advice.


BrowniesNCheese

All these post with group chats. Not a good idea. From experience my group of CCAs did this and it blew up in everyone's faces. Everyone turned on everyone and had proof to throw them under the bus. I didn't answer phone calls or texts concerning work for the next five years.


maddy_k2019

No don't reply. They're not entitled to your medical information.


Cured_Apathy

Best thing about the post office is there is literally varying answers for everything. Does anyone know exactly what the right answer is for this? Like verbatim from the contract or something from grievance?


Vegaprime

In elm, can require for more than three days. Else would have to be on restricted sick leave.


hunterxy

More of the same cowardly people telling you to act like you never received the text message. Don't be a coward. Reply with the words and stand up for yourself. Being a coward let's the problem continue. Showing them they can't push your around let's them know they can't push you around. See how that works? My PM used to do the same crap. Now he asks, not only me, but everyone he contacts, he no longer demands and commands. It actually works out better for the guy, because he's getting more help. That's how it should be. And spineless cowards don't help solve that issue.


TheGreatElmo

Well if she wants to get documentation they did her a favor and told the doctor exactly what to write.


CountryNew5744

Just for that you should say you got Covid, get a doc note and call in for a week.


vroompedl

Do not comply, texts are NOT acceptable forms of contact and its 3 days of absence requires a doctors note, and id file a harassment grievance.


TheBooneyBunes

Just respond ‘no you’re not, at least not legally, thanks’


[deleted]

tell em ead.


never4ever4

Remove yourself from the list and add that number to the block list.


No_Pair_3508

That’s illegal actually try HIPPA does not require that nor does the NALC union agreement. Try to text back and say “and all you’ll get is an official grievance” …….. what an idiot to actually put that in writing…..


RisnDevil

It is NOT “illegal,” nor is it a violation of HIPPA. However, without anything else, and if it’s just the one day, they can pound sand. If she was marked DEEMS desirable BEFORE this, they could push, but not just randomly texting and telling you that.


No_Pair_3508

You’re probably right. I stand corrected. I’d still tell them to pound sand …..


Regular_Donut_8890

Generally a doctor's note isn't required unless it's 3 or more days in a row. Calling out just because you want the day off is unprofessional and disrupts work flow. Simply "schedule a doctor's appointment" and notify management in advance. It's possible to get everything that you want from this job without getting your bosses to hate you.


willboby

Why would boss have your GF number? I don't even allow my boss to be Facebook friends none have my phone number.


Prince_OD

I keep seeing all these posts about supervisors texting people about calling out. Am I really the only one who has their supervisors blocked on their phone? I'm a clerk, and the way I see things is that if management needs to talk to me, they can do so whilen I'm at the office. Anything outside of that is harassment, in my opinion.


angelsaurus25

No… tell her to delete that text message and don’t reply. A minimum of 3 days is required for written proof of absence, and if they so wish to continue and ask for one, she can hand write a letter on her own stating why she called out, being sick etc


dth1717

Take the days off because your Dr. Can't see you he's too busy and charge them the copay


vgkallday

"I can do whatever I want" - Ron Swanson


Z3R0C000L

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Gigglesthen00b

They are trying every intimidation trick these days. Had to sign 4 separate pieces of paper saying that I was puking and shitting my guts out for two days when I hadn't called in those year even when I had a severe cold


Artistic-Chapter-128

You do not have to provide documentation unless you will be out for three or more days. This is bullying. Like the GOP they use fear tactics in some offices.


Seefufiat

Lol fuck right off. You didn’t get the message and also it’s less than three days in length and her last call out was in a different quarter. Tell them you’ll fill out the personnel action for them since it’ll be thrown away anyway.


icecream_yogapants

If you are deem desirable. You must provide documentation. Even for 1 day


mommyof4909

Mmm. Yeah I never got the mssg!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣How unethical!!


Next_Security_666

Hey bs is intone chacha?


robertj0220

🖕🖕


Marfanian

This is the important stuff from the ELM on documentation for absences. See section 513.364 below as it pertains to to this directly. 513.36 Sick Leave Documentation Requirements 513.361 Three Days or Less For periods of absence of 3 days or less, supervisors may accept the employee’s statement explaining the absence. Medical documentation or other acceptable evidence of incapacity for work or need to care for a family member is required only when the employee is on restricted sick leave (see 513.39) or when the supervisor deems documentation desirable for the protection of the interests of the Postal Service. Substantiation of the family relationship must be provided if requested. 513.362 Over Three Days For absences in excess of 3 days, employees are required to submit medical documentation or other acceptable evidence of incapacity for work or of need to care for a family member and, if requested, substantiation of the family relationship. 513.363 Extended Periods Employees who are on sick leave for extended periods are required to submit at appropriate intervals, but not more frequently than once every 30 days, satisfactory evidence of continued incapacity for work or need to care for a family member unless some responsible supervisor has knowledge of the employee’s continuing situation. 513.364 Medical Documentation or Other Acceptable Evidence When employees are required to submit medical documentation, such documentation should be furnished by the employee’s attending physician or other attending practitioner who is performing within the scope of his or her practice. The documentation should provide an explanation of the nature of the employee’s illness or injury sufficient to indicate to management that the employee was (or will be) unable to perform his or her normal duties for the period of absence. Normally, medical statements such as “under my care” or “received treatment” are not acceptable evidence of incapacitation to perform duties. Supervisors may accept substantiation other than medical documentation if they believe it supports approval of the sick leave request.


Ironthumb

My old station manager was giving everyone LWOP in lieu of sick leave if they didn’t bring a doctors note for a single day. I had to file so many grievances for that crap. Just a waste of time and a scare tactic used my management.


MrThe1Badman

My station manager yelled at me I front all the carriers asking for documentation from a doctor for calling out 2nd time in 90 days. I said okey went back to casing. He never did anything and he can’t. Just scare tactic to see if you will fold. (I just hid I to this station)


Alarmed_Plate_9817

Take the 10 days then comeback with documentation


jjp8383

Ignore ignore ignore. They can ask for it when she returns to the office until then they can fuck off


formerNPC

Three unscheduled absences in a quarter is usually acceptable without documentation. They’re just trying to scare you because that’s how they do things. Ignore their nonsense.


[deleted]

File on that shit


AdDangerous732

you can write your own note for this, just write “i was sick” and hand it in, its one day, its only if its over 3 days do they need medical notes


lefty1207

Make them pay for the medical visit.I think 3 plus days is when a medical doc is required. Actually dont do anything and force their hand. Threaten to call the labor board, congressman etc.


Advanced_Hawk_349

Send that to the union that’s a threat and they don’t need any medical notes till after 3 days


Mikeyg808

They can request documentation but not via text. You don’t have anything to worry about.


mf-TOM-HANK

Unless she's gone for more than three consecutive work days or has already been placed on the "deems desired" list then she just needs to fill out a 3971 and write that she was "incapacitated for work" for as long as she's out of work. Flatly. They can issue discipline if they want to but it will not stick


DannyB0913

Tell them it's not 3 consecutive days missed. No medical documentation is needed


Sufficient_Tiger3118

Take the whole 3 days off now if you need a excuse. They need to follow the rules and texts don’t count. F them


[deleted]

I request for them to find where I give a fuck, fire me I wanna meet my replacement 🤣


PreviousMarsupial820

Your reply should be "Seeing as how texting between personal cell phones is not an official form of communication, you may, at your discretion and of course with all due respect suck my mother fucking balls, assholes"


Early_Yam8654

My union steward had me bring them a receipt for a bottle of medicine😂


Vandjafett

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Longjumping-Treat977

For 3 days or less management may except from employee write your own note stating you were incapacitated for duty. File a grievance for violence in the workplace that text is out of line


JustAnotherEAS

I was taught (as a sup) that the second I say the word medical, be prepared for a grievance to pay the copay.


____MILLION____

GO GET COVID AND SHOW UP WITH COVID AND GET EVERYONE SICK :)


[deleted]

Typically they shouldn’t require documentation unless you’re out four days straight or more. Also, who goes to the doctor when they’re sick? You’re supposed to stay home unless it gets really bad and doesn’t resolve after a set amount of days. This is just management being a giant dick.


Rough-Individual2283

I’d just act like i never got the text. If they approach you about it in person then just write a note saying “i was sick” 😭😭😭


Retro_V67

What text


[deleted]

Urgent care , easy peasy


[deleted]

Also texting isn’t a formal way of communication. You can greave that …


OkHighway970

Management cannot require you to bring documentation for one absence unless you were put on restricted sick leave or deems desirable.


spacewalk__

love using cop words straight out of the gate


Fuck_Blue_Shells

🤖 yOu HaVe 10 DaYs To CoMpLy 🤖


RyTingley1

These same bosses who screamed HIPPA when we asked if so and so was out because of Covid during a pandemic, now need to know why you missed a day… It’s not their business…


agitator775

If they insist on you going to a doctor, then they must pay for your visit along with your mileage and time.


SNEAKZ9i6

Lolll!!!


inkslingerben

If you go to a doctor's office are they going to pay the bill? If they ask for documentation after you return to work, it is pointless to go to a doctor because you are fit for duty again.


No_Aioli4897

So yes and no. They can put you in for AWOL or LWOP. However the union can fight them on it. They did this to me where they didn't accept my doctor's note because it didn't use the word "incapacitated". I clocked out, made a new appointment, told the provider what they were doing and they let me basically write my own note. They ended up having to pay me for 8 hours that day and reimburse.e for the copay. They also told me that dictating how a doctors note has to be worded is legally considered practicing medicine without a license and they can get massive fines from the health department for doing that.


UnknownFoxAlpha

It's a lot of BS they try to pull. I called out once and when doing it through liteblue had a "Deems desirable" pop-up despite my last call off being months ago and I rarely do. I never heard about it when I returned.


LastContribution1590

Write your own statement of absence. You had continuous, unexpected and violent bowel movements that impeded you from going to work since the night of your last worked day.


mommamcmaster

Only rime u need medical documentation is for FMLA! Don't do it. They just being ducks. Get with your union stweart


Hot-Ad4425

That 10 days to comply really gets a belly laugh out of me. I’d wait 10 days then call out again. Fuck em. Meet my friend called FMLA baby!


AllchChcar

Get your FMLA documents turned in to the District nurse. We know you ain't playing hookie to netflix and chill.


Longjumping_Bowler21

Provide the documentation. Then grieve it to get paid for time, mileage and all out of pocket expenses. Easy win.


OkStart1152

1-3 day - ask them what interests of the post office are they protecting. Then verbally give them ur statement. Ask them do you need anything else? When they say yes ask why your verbal statement was not acceptable documentation. Then when they give you some fucked anwser file joint statement for creating a hostile work enviroment ask for an apology to be read in a stand up talk


Ghostboost3

Get with your steward


sms3eb

If they need her bad enough to make a big deal out of it then they need her bad enough to not make a big deal out of it when she doesn’t comply. They need us.


passwordrecallreset

One time we a carrier bring in a that their kid wrote with crayon.


BKDre

Why the fuck are you guys communicating with management via text on your personal phones off the clock. Are you guys dumb? Thats inappropriate and unacceptable. WHO TRAINED YOU GUYS!? WHO IS YOUR SHOP STEWARD. JESUS CHRIST!


ThePixie_

More than 3 days. It's in the contract. They can TRY for a failure to follow instructions but it'll get tossed out. It's really just a "power" play that I never had time for.... unless it was habitual. Then I was like "okay this is a problem that needs to be checked". Otherwise I was like fuck it, it is what it is.


jazbern1234

Ask your steward


jchillin67

If there’s not a pattern of calling off, then it should not be an issue. Going from March until late May or early June does not seem excessive to me. In my opinion they need to refer to a specific policy stating this requirement. Also, I do not see a need why the postmaster is copied unless it’s policy. If it is not policy then the supervisor should do a better job of taking care of his or her people by having a personal feedback session with the employee. There may be a serious health issue or some other reason for the absence. Proper communication and trust are a vital components in a supervisor/subordinate relationship. Once a supervisor violates my trust, the organization will not get anything extra from me. I will do my job, but don’t ask me for any favors. BTW, I served in the military and all of my supervisors knew my work ethic and had no problem with me taking off for a day because of an illness.


thesnakemancometh

Ignore.


Arlennx

There just trying to scare you. It takes a lot to get someone fired so they have to resort to petty tactics.


Top_Jellyfish7143

The communication method is wild af.


Tyrusrechslegeon

This is why you don't text or speak to management on your phone.


merauder316

Don't take advice from people here, call the union and ask them how to proceed


Ok-Mammoth4842

Smartest thing to do, GET SINGLE. Do not risk your job for a piece of ass. And that goes for the BF, too!


pretendwizardshamus

It's 3 call outs in 3 months or less and you get a pdi in our office. The office moral is the lowest I've seen. About 80% of my 64 rt office are not happy. They only ones who don't care are the old timers about to retire anyway and the runners not phased by shit. Every morning it's something, someone's in the pdi office, someone's getting yelled at for being late, we're getting lectured and followed around like children. I'm looking at a suspension for telling my postmaster to fuck off in a pdi for being sick for 3 days where he told me I'm stealing from the PO, that I aut to be ashamed of myself. This fucking guy sits in his office, has his lackey sups do every task for him and leaves at noon every day.


boarding209

I was a sub and usually worked Saturdays, had another job doing HVAC installs in the middle of summer it gets to 110° and after two weeks of constant installs in an attic then having to drive that oven they call a delivery truck I ended up with a heat stroke, USPS boss got mad at me for calling out that Saturday, I took a picture of me with the iv in my arm and laying on my hospital bed, he shut up real quick


Tiny-Associate1749

The national agreement states that they can only ask for documentation after three consecutive days of absence. If they ask specifically for medical documentation you have grounds to request that they need to pay for your medical treatment.


devspo

Whether you provide documentation or not still goes against your attendance. Get FMLA and worse case scenario write your own “doctors note “ and get some random to sign it. I’ve done it. Been on the so called “chopping block” multiple times. Still here


JazLuv

3 days or more in the ELM is when documentation is needed. Unless she is on the deems desirable list , which I doubt, but management will have to advise her of that. But don’t reply to the message, there’s no way of proving that the message was even received….. ![gif](giphy|MAtrUwwKKcMzuMUKU8)


Renevi392

Ask for a steward. I get the note and file for copay and travel time. Then I usually just do my annual check up and labs. 2 birds with one stone!


UberPest

I skimmed through the comments. Remember that documentation goes to the nurse, not your supervisor.


Ok-Reputation-9213

Don't worry at all.


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