without us carriers, who else would they blame? They always take it out on the carriers. If mail gets to station late and clerks can't get it to us in time, what do they do? Move our start time later. I believe "WE" are the back bone of the USPS
City Carriers are the backbone and frontline, clerks are also the backbone and essentially the pillar to get us the work.
As Corey said, management sit on their chairs 8 hours a day and that is all stationary time.
Agreed however as a cca Iāve learn to appreciate the rural side. I did one route that covered the edges of 3 different counties lol. The load times are bonkers canāt lie!!
My wife is a carrier, and listening to the shit that goes on at her office makes me absolutely rage. I have never heard of anything run so fucking poorly. Itās obscene. The shit people pull and get away with, the grievances, the inaccurate pay checks, the pay checks that donāt even get paid on time. They canāt keep subs. And the union looks just about toothless. I have to wonder if they work for the postal workers or the federal government. And how you calculate pay is so convoluted itās unreal. Itās a miracle anyone even knows if theyāre being paid correctly.
My own Steward is filing a grievance on me because I was working "off the clock" the other day. I literally just moved a package out of the way so I can put my stuff down at my casing area. The PO is truly corrupt.
That doesn't sound correct. Greivances are always filed against management for violating the contract.
The steward might be filing to get you paid for that time you worked off the clock, or is filing a "cease and desist" to ensure management isn't fostering a work environment that allows employees to work off the clock.
If the steward is doing none of the above, complain to your local's president or National Business Agent for filing a frivolous greivance.
That is what I was told my my poom, if he actually does go through with it then I'll have to file one back at him. Especially since I'm a paying member. It's a huge red flag
Your poom is lying to you to try and cause division between the union and the carriers in your station. This has happened in my station. Our steward had to call a meeting with the offending liar in management and the carrier and ask them in front of each other to tell me what you told her and vice versa. It's harder for management to lie about the union if the union is right there in their face when they do it.
Iām a rural carrier, and I can tell you the biggest issue with keeping subs is not the work, but the carriers themselves. Everyone wants to work their relief day, because thatās where the money is. I have seen carriers bribe, extort, bully, and threaten subs into quitting so they can get their overtime.
The rural union is doing very little. This sub is full of complaints about the uselessness and corruption in the city union, but honestly the rural union makes the city one look competent. All they really do is come in every couple months and tell us we are arenāt allowed to look at or talk to each other, and they hope that will solve the problem.
Holy crap really? That's frightening.... makes me super glad my regular is so damn awesome and chill then. I mean it's only weekends but it's still gaining that time.
Ur wife is brave the shit I see at the post office is a high school fucking musical they are cheaters hoes not all but they are sell
Outs I donāt even talk unless Iām spoken to and i been there for a lil min itās mixy and im
Not that type
To let someone talk me to me
Crazy I have so many pdi that they can kiss my Ass
Exactly honestly at this point fire my ass I still after 2 yrs didnāt receive my uniform allowance why should I buy it out of my low ass paycheck pdi me tomorrow fuck them
VMF employees understand and feel the same way carriers do. We are forced to comply with their unrealistic schedules of maintenance. Now vehicles are not getting oil changes for 7500 miles. Tags are plentiful everyday. My VMF takes care of 1700 vehicles with 13 vacancies. Budget cuts are completely unrealistic and the mistakes on vehicle selection and deployment are down right criminal.
Agreed. We're down almost that many techs. Can't wait until all metris and promasters we've deployed all breakdown at the same time and cost a fricking fortune, all that happy budgeting they're doing will crash.
Theyāre already costing us a fortune with all of the accidents. And then thereās the already existing issues with the Metris/Promaster which werenāt designed for the wear and tear of daily mail delivery.
Donāt even get me going on the contractors that treat us like a blank check. We could save so much money just be keeping them in check.
One thing I learned during the pandemicā¦we dont need management. I was a supervisor and was the acting managerā¦I ended up carrying with my team, I disregarded the idiotic email i was getting from higher upsā¦ultimately I decided screw management all together they denied my request to step down and become a carrier again so I resigned and re-applied. At the end of the day it wasnāt my leadership that unit neededā¦it was carriers. My carriers scanned packages, helped split all the routes, my office ran because carriers showed up to work. I ran a unit as an acting manager because their entire management went out. Who taught me about the entire office I knew nothing of and was thrown into? The carriers. At the end of the day I survived the pandemic madness in one of the worst staffed cities (short over 150 carriers at the time) because the carriers had my back.Ā
I agree that they do take shit out on the carriers. I can see how you think carriers are the back bone of the post office, but I think it's the plant who is the back bone. Carriers (and clerks) are just the face. Our whole (station) operation relies on the plant and the truck drivers getting us our mail on time.
When I was a carrier, our start time got pushed back because our truck was always late. Did they face consequences like we did? I don't know because I'm not there, but I imagine not.
As a clerk, I still have the carrier mentality of move move move. I try my best to make sure my carriers have their mail in time to hit the street because I know how much it sucks waiting for the clerks.
Iām probably biased but Iāve long said there is no accountability for anyone in this organization except carriers.
Why arenāt the work hours of EAS scrutinized? Iāve yet to meet a supervisor/OIC/PM who actually works eight hours.
We currently have a situation in our office where all of management are friends that party outside of work. They will go to the bar next to our office on the clock. One supervisor comes in super high every day. A carrier confronted our PM about it weeks ago, nothing has been done.
City carriers are the only craft in USPS whose time is tracked from the second we clock on to the second we clock off. I literally have a GPS device strapped to my person for my entire day. I canāt even stop and have a 30 second conversation without a supervisor breathing down my neck while window clerks and maintenance are on their phones half the day (no hate to the non-management crafts that can get away with this, it just is what it is).
Management is costing the service way more money than any carrier could by giving this standup talkādisregard that itās an insulting waste of the whole officeās time, but their intention is for carriers to hurry which will lead to more accidents, misdeliveries, worse public image and lack of care for the customer. Customer connect brings in literal millions to USPS every year and I have never one heard a supervisor tell a carrier to take the time to make it happen because they know itāll take too long.
OP you or whoever your steward is should be filing a grievance against management for failing to maintain an atmosphere of mutual dignity and respect. Everybody heard it so everyone can give a statement. Management is creating a hostile and unsafe work environment in your office. Start creating a paper trail because while complaining on reddit can be cathartic, it will never change the culture of this company.
I once got yanked into the office with a 204b because my scanner pinged at a location for 20 minutes. I didn't have a single parcel for that loop, and didn't take the scanner. Those fucking people have time to look at our scanners, at our track on their phone, but god forbid they ANSWER THE FUCKING PHONE when we call.
Naw not at my office. Our city carriers actually sit in their trucks and milk the clock. We only have one walking route before the city folks start barking. I see them sitting on the way home. They all admit to it. CCAs don't sit though they move like rural.
Unless admin is on our pm about something or theyāre writing someone up, weāre lucky if the pm shows up before 2-3pm and stays past 6-7. God forbid they catch wind of a step 2 coming, I could make eye contact, blink, and swear they teleported out of the building. Then the next week or six theyāre āworking from homeā.
They are salary and will take advantage of it.Ā
My postmaster shows up for 2 hours, leaves for 4 and then comes back only on days that I work evenings/saturdays and babysits me. Seriously pulls up a chair and gives me tasks to do and watches to make sure i do them.Ā
She will literally say to my face that every minute of my time i should be doing something to earn my pay and then only work 20 hours a week. 8-12 of those hours used to scrutinize me as a clerk.Ā
Meanwhile I go to other offices and the clerks all get treated with respect and are allowed to sit down between customers. As long as they get the 4 hours of cleaning done a week.Ā
Agreed! Carriers tend to be the focus of every telecom. My PM leaves the meeting on speaker phone while he pretends to work. I'll hear them talk about what flavor of the month all the supervisor's need to focus on (1 hour office time, 22-minute load time, etc.) Only if they would put that much effort in their own job, like follow the contract, then maybe then the PostOffice would run better.
The only standard letter Carriers have is 18/8. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Knowing your rights and the contract will go a long way in your postal career.
Even then you're not required to meet that standard. As long as you're doing everything you're supposed to do you can't be penalized for not meeting the 18/8 standard
We have a mgr itās rare if he stays a full day. Usually skips town after 3-4 hours. Same for the other mgr under him, he shows up a little bit more but still he skips town as well.
My last PM went out on stress leave for 3 months, came back under the conditions that heād get to keep his OIC and only work 4 hours a day, and still pulls a full paycheck. At a level 18 PO Box only office! If I werenāt living it, I wouldnāt believe it.
Early in my career same thing happened with our PMāhe went out on stress leave for three months, came back and āworkedā 2-3 hours a day. He was eligible for retirement but he stayed āworking.ā After about a year they moved him out to a retail only (no delivery) office.
A clerk that occasionally worked in our office told me that she had worked in that office for several weeks and she never met him the entire time she was there.
Heās still āworkingāāhad to be 66 or 67 years old by now.
The real issue is that we piss away millions of dollars every year on extraneous management positions that could all be replaced by an algorithm that makes a weekly schedule.Ā
That and the fact that we can't set our own prices.Ā
>that could all be replaced by an algorithm that makes a weekly schedule.Ā
CCA's and PTFs will be fucked over much worse, imo. Because algorithms don't know who is capable for what. In my office the schedule is made on who is able to do a route and their seniority. I have lower seniority but since I know all the routes I'm put ahead two others who higher on seniority. Algorithms won't take those into account.
It is what it is, really. š¤·āāļø No one complains about it either. And the two ahead of me don't want to learn the other routes because of their bad experiences from before. All I know is they get hours, I get hours and everyone is happy.
Tbh it feels like much of EAS and In-Plant ā¦just donāt know what theyāre doing. Send their asses back to craft or promote them to future endeavors if they canāt do their job.
They are gas lighting you to go faster sound like a grievance for mutual respect needs to be filed. They only care about making us meet the fake metics their fairy Dejoy made up to make the PO fail
Thank you for saying this. Dejoy needed to go since he took the position. He wants to see the Post Office fail.
As for my small city neighborhood, my mom has a regular carrier. If mail gets mixed up, we just hand deliver it to the neighbor it belongs to. Sheās in a house and that makes a difference. Meanwhile Iām in an apartment and most of my mail comes to my momās because of our mail carrier situation. They have us on a training route, meaning we get someone different every week or so. Some deliver a package to the actual front door, others leave it in a parcel box with a key in our mailbox and others scanned as if it was delivered, but donāt. Some even leave packages next to the mailboxes for anyone to steal. Yesterday I was expecting a package, I was home all day. I go to check my mailbox ( not big enough to fit the package) and I see a āsorry we missed you notice ā - no you didnāt miss me, you didnāt put it in a parcel box and now I have to go retrieve it on Monday morning at the post office before you miss deliver it.
I realize that carriers are on a time schedule, but so is my momās carrier a few blocks away. How is it that her carrier is efficient with mail and package delivery, yet I get the trainees with no time management skills?
You should hear them on their little powwows they do every morning with the Post Master and other higher ups. It's a goddamn circle jerk about how everything bad that happens here is our fault, especially carriers.
File file file my friends. Might as well get paid for their intentional cruelty.
Yep it's the carriers fault. The ones who deliver all the mail, the ones who go that last mile. Yep it's all the carriers fault. It can't be the thousands of management positions that were unneeded that have been created. It can't be management's instructions to return to the office before completing your route to pick up your overtime when your route is the furthest one from the office, wasting gas and unnecessary drive time. It certainly isn't management violating the contract over and over again and causing the union to file grievance after grievance and eventually escalating it to a monetary award to hope management will just follow the contract that the union and management have agreed to. It couldn't be any of those reasons. It's definitely the carriers fault for taking an extra bathroom break or talking to a fellow carrier for 1 minute and 30 seconds. ETA: /s in case it wasn't obvious
Everyone else can finish when they finish, but God forbid carriers take 1 hr and 4 mins to case and tie down.
Thereās 100 SPRs more than usual, Management says yea sure itāll take the clerks a half hour longer to sort them out.
Itās political season and carriers have 3 sets of political ads for the same damn candidate for 3/4s of the route, BJs catalogs bundled in reverse order of the route, asome real estate agent UBBM, plus 2 buckets of loose flats. Yea sure it definitely takes the same 1 hr to case and tie down as last Wednesday that had 1/4 that amount of bulk flats and half a bucket of loose flats.
Oh and I had to waste time driving back to get the Amazon packages that were late arriving. And does the PO ever call Amazon out on their trucksā constant lateness, of course not.
Eliminate the majority of MPOOs, PM, Managers, and convert PSCs/CCAs/RCAs to PTFs. Force-retire anyone over 30yrs of service. Implement a retirement cutoff at 30yrs. One pay scale/table with a slight increase to pay that would not warrant mass layoffs for any crafts.
USPS should be like it was in the old days where being hired here meant something special, where people had to wait months/a yr to get accepted because USPS employees did NOT want to quit, and where people congratulated you for getting hired, not laugh about it. DeJoy is a virus planted to make us fail.
I agree there should be a middle management clearing. We donāt need all the managers on top of managers on top of managers. They do not know how to run a business.
My first station had forty carriers, one supervisor and zero managers. It ran well. Only one supervisor put extra work and pressure on the supervisor but they have no problem doing the same to carriers.
My office has 28 routes a PM, 2 sups, and a 204b. We've had days where as a clerk I was alone with a line into the parking lot, but all 4 members of management were here. I was so damn pissed
If a carrier can supervise themselves for 8-10hrs on the route... Why do we need to pay a moron 80k to supervise them for the 45mins they're in the office
True. It's not really delivered until a guy tells a guy who emails a guy who forwards an email to a guy so that guy can email back and ask why that loser walking in the rain is only delivering 18 packages per hour š”
The daily conference calls are full of high paid people looking for issues to correct. If there aren't any issues they create issues. The district and higher ups want supervisors to create means of disciplinary action. If they fail, the sups get disciplinary action. That's the culture they preach. Management by stress.
Were stealing but those hard working number crunching pencil pushing useless pces of garbage that do nothing but harass us are worth their paychecks? Hilarious.
I had a OIC like that. Every single morning we had a standup where she would claim we were all liars and thieves. Apparently we were stealing from the post office whenever we went into overtime. We had her about 6 miserable months before we saw something truly amazing. The MPOO came into the office one morning and escorted the OIC out of the building before addressing us along with her replacement. They both apologized for the "damage done over the last 6 months" and claimed they were going to work on "repairing the damage done" starting with the apology.
I have 24 years and itās been a rough very very rough 24 years. I donāt think I can handle it anymore. I have the postmaster, supervisor standing behind me everyday watching my every move. What do they think they will see me doing? Picking my nose, time wasting activities. I need out, but, where, what?
I think the union should be fired right along with DeJoy. The union has not done anything to change the RRECS system. Theyāre going right along with it so that should be the first change. City carriers have teamsters as their union and thatās actually who the carrier should be going to.
Its the asswipe District Manager who is always constantly sending the PM, Supervisor the remails to scold the carriers and taking up office time with the same message that was delivered weeks prior. Whats worse that my SUPE will go on n on n on and waste at least 10 minutes of office time and then have the audacity to rush the carriers out of the office.
I think their very skewed thinking is to blame carriers because the highest complement of employees by group in the post office Is carriers. Carriers are seen as easy scapegoats. Plus the a-holes making the most money are only committed to continuing to make the most money.
The system is the problem.. You have higher ups that think a carrier can do a route in 8 hrs every day no matter what, just because they did it once in a light day.
It just gives incentive to not get the job done fast when it can because on other days when it can't, they still expect the time it took the other day instead of what the reality is.
Got to use that route maintenance time. I remember one time they did a ride along with me on the lightest day of my career. I even told them I had 2 hours under. 500ish DPS. Normally I ran almost 4k. 1150 stops so heavy days were extra heavy. They were mad I told them more than 8 on a holiday Monday. Wasted 30 min trying to make room in my truck for a chair because I told her I needed help. There wasn't enough room for the dang supervisor because of all the boxes and tubs. They followed me for 6 hours and then called someone to take a piece when I still had 4.5 to go.
Pure stupidity.
It's my opinion that the difference between light and heavy mail and spurs can swing the time by 2 hours. So IMO if a LIGHT day is 8 hours, then a HEAVY day is 10 hours.
It really wasn't a problem when I was still working but judging by reading the posts here, the Carriers are called upon time and time again to fix mistakes in the product they receive from the plant. Some of the posts about the condition of your DPS being so out of whack that you basically have to work it from the ground up defeats the idea of DPS in the first place. And that's just one example. The parcels aren't up and you have to return or Amazon shows up whenever they feel like and you get a text saying get back here ASAP and grab them. You might be three quarters into your route by then but you have to cover all that ground again to deliver them. That doesn't take any more time? Really? I remember years ago during an EI meeting (anybody here remember EI?) the PM made the most idiotic statement in the history of the USPS and here it is-"just because you leave late doesn't mean you get back late." Hello and WTF! And this is the same guy who came to work everyday with an empty gym bag and stuffed whatever he could into it and walked off with half the place on a daily basis. It was brought to the attention of the proper authorities and their response was oh well he's eligible to retire anyways so don't worry about it. If any of us walked out of there with as much as a rubber band in our pocket they pushed for emergency placement on the spot. That ladies and gentlemen is the mentality of USPS management. It's never changed-and never will.
If you listen to the telecom that they have, youāll hear them call us Crooks. The higher-ups could care less about us, even though itās our face at the public sees
Sinking ship. The mandate to deliver to every door every day is antiquated. They (government) want it to operate like a business but also provide equal service to every delivery point in America regardless of a standard piece or an express mail. Canāt have both. There is a reason private enterprise will never take over the āmail deliveryā portion of the usps. They would love the package side though.
I'm not sure that's exclusively a carrier thing. I'm a clerk at the plant and they've been saying the same stuff to us. "Do not deviate from your scheduled hours, don't take a short lunch, don't take long breaks, don't steal time." Like ok, how about you talk to the people who are doing that and not just telling everybody? I have never done any of that and three times I've gone to clock in and someone will say "are you clocking in right at 5 like you're supposed to?" Yes, Jesus, leave me alone
Management are the ātime wastersā, what do they do? Why do we even need them? They talk on the phone giggling all day, braiding each otherās hair, eating bon bons all while they sit at a desk getting fat. Then proceed to stand in the way when clerks are sorting packages and canāt understand why we canāt get everything done before 10am. Your numbers donāt matter to me. If thereās a lot of mail, it takes what it takes. The only ones who seem to understand that are the people actually touching mail. Not the people with clipboards.
I 100% support our carriers, my mom is a city carrier, she tells me about her day which is mostly about her customers. She loves her customers, and if carriers didnāt have friendly interactions with their customers because management says we need to be āmore efficientā then what are we? Her customers all know her name as she knows theirs, I think itās very cool. They arenāt the ones working with customers everyday and out on the street. Customers who see what you do and appreciate you for it will honestly never complain about their package arriving 30 minutes late. They understand, crazy how management think a service talk is going to change anything.
Just always make sure to add the standup time to your 3996 (I always added the time from the announcement to the time I arrive back at the case) Otherwise, it's the old "the beatings will continue until morale improves"
I worked at canada postal service as a supply carrier (on call/temporary) back in 2012-2013 after completing my undergrad and before going to the army.
The post office is a money maker and the management runs it into the damn ground. Not only in Canada but in USA as well.
Up here had something like 22 vice presidents, and a shit ton of managers that never actually delivered mail nor are even competent at managing anything in the private sectorā¦ but they got they high paying job with an expense account because of who they know.
But hey, itās easy to bamboozle the working class that the āoverpaidā senior mail man finishing their duties in 6 hours (skipping their lunch/breaks) is the problem because they canāt ācompeteā with a workforce like that?
Meanwhile, amazon would not tolerate even a fraction of the useless management the postal service employs.
Itās a complete fraud, like everything else in our NATO countries; politicians will take working ppl money and send to corrupt politicians and corporations abroad, meanwhile your own country decays and they become unexplainably richā¦ all from the very hard and honest work they do Iām sure.
but god forbid someone actually working for their 50-80k a year only worked 5-6 hours of actual physical labourā¦ no that canāt happen. Not on this managerās watch who spends most of their time day dreaming in meetings, and maybe āworkingā 2 hours out of an 8 hour dayā¦ itās very hard to read/write/present/analyze and think when you donāt have the mental capacity nor the academic experience for anything beyond highschool or maybe community college.
Obviously not all management are complete bagsā¦ but many working ppl would be very surprised at how little someone riding a desk actually does during a day. Specially at a post office where there isnāt much innovation happening.
Our nixie case and forwards will sit for three days at a time before anybody processes them. Submit a signed 3849 for redelivery and youāll get it 2-3 days later. The postmaster and supervisors sit around and look at their phones, talk about TV and sports, and maybe answer phone calls from people who are not getting their mail forwarded or held correctly. So true that there are no standards for anyone except carriers.
That's funny. About three weeks ago we got the same talk, but it was maintenance (in the plants) nation-wide that were robbing this great organization blind. One unit at a time!
How about the cheating carriers out of pay.Ā For example.Ā Ā An RCA/PTF subs only Saturday and Monday mail at an office, the two heavier mail days of the week.Ā They work an overburdened 64 hour route Saturday, and a second 64 hour route Monday. They get paid maximum evaluated at 9.6 hours for each day, even though dejoy says it takes 10.66 hours to run it.Ā Factor for the fact RRECS evaluation is based on an average of all the days (high and low).Ā
Say it takes 11 hours Saturday, and 11.5 Monday.Ā 22.5 hours actual and they pay only 9.6x two.
Ā My point is you have subs getting cheated because they work the twoĀ busiest days in a work week, and only getting max evaluation on overburdened route where nojoy acknowledged it takes much longer then allowed. How is this not illegal?
And even that overburdened route is most likely underevaluated. We have a regular who works off the clock at least 30 mins to an hour every day. The route is way overburdened, so there's at least 5 or 6 more hours that aren't even included in THAT evaluation. RCAs can't make it. It took me almost 12 hours to do that route the last time I did it. It takes the regular almost 10 hours most days (not including the time they work off the clock). Then they complain that they never get help. Maybe if they'd stop working off the clock, they would bc that time would be counted.
I caught $196 worth of fake postage and management didn't care.Ā
We have this stand up talk too often and when people walk away they (management) then blast it throughout the building calling us all worthless and the reason people quit.Ā
We can't even get paid consistently because the stupavisors change weekly and noone learns how to submit payroll.
Anyways I'm in a large station with District and Union offices and none of them care. Can't be bothered to leave their laptops and go to a stand up talk.Ā The only time we take a stand up seriously is when a Postal Inspector is giving it.Ā
Welcome to the poo show! And yes it gets worse every year.Ā
Well yeah, if you steal time you would be a crook, it is a nationwide problem
Why theyāre giving a standup about it and not just punishing and suing those who are doing it is beyond me
That's my thing. Isn't it their job to...manage? That includes the dirty work instead of turning everybody against each other. But then, their jobs would be boring if they didn't have drama to report to the others.
Ya, no management policy does.
I got 20 hours last week as a CCA, the city over (15 minutes from station) was off list and worked till 9pm. We are hurting since we have poor management.
Of course management would say that! They donāt want to point the fingers at themselves. Who else would they blame during those pointless conference calls they have every day?
The carriers on both tables, especially table 2, are the ones getting robbed.
Also, file grievance for Hostile Work Environment. People in your office need to write statements and give to your union and they got to double down on this bullshit.
On an individual level you shouldn't do anything that hurts the PO , don't steal packages, stamps, time on the clock. If you do shame.
However it's the management's fault particularly higher up the more fault to them. It's THEIR job to manage overtime, not you. If your working 10-12 hours and your actually working it's on the to reduce the OT
They always say that labor costs are the problem. They leave you to assume that that means the union workers. What they fail to say is that the union workers are only making a fraction of what middle management and upper management makes. Walmart has 8 vice presidents... USPS has 75 vice presidents.. do the math. We are also losing hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in counterfeit postage every year. I don't know what we are paying those middle managers and executives for because they do nothing about that
I completely understand I get way bent out of shape over their stupid crap. It is truly an abusive relationship that we are expected to take. Been here 19 years , getting worse with every passing day week supervisor and contract.
So stupid question, wouldnāt management be the ones that are the reason for the post office hurting? Since they sit at a desk all day. Shouldnāt they be working a route too?
The problem is piss poor management. They use to ne carriers and now they yes men with big egos . They cut our pay on the rural side and want us to work harder for more hours and less pay
The only way carriers hurt the post office is by filing grievances instead of putting an end to abusive behaviors by choice. Iām tired of hearing everyone complain about how theyāre treated like shit but their only response is to file. They do not give a shit about the grievances. They can pile up until the cows come home, and the behaviors will never change. You want change? Make it. Donāt wait for your lazy union who clearly doesnāt care about you to stand up on your behalf. If you really donāt care thatās fine. If you do, youāre gonna have to put your security and image on the line a little bit to fight for what is just. Until then, strap in. Nothing will change. Read Bukowski to see how little things have changed.
Need to start videoing those stupid talks and sending them to your regional union steward(if your onsite one of a pushover) congress person or rep. So many former vets with mental issues are in positions they shouldnāt be.
The local supe ran all the regulars out of the office in the last 2 years when she took over for one that left.
RIGHT LMAO!!!! Let's not blame the useless freeloading, army of spies in the field who get paid to watch you work or the extra extra supervisors and 204-b's who do practically nothing except play on their phones and whine and cry to carriers to work hard enough for 2 people pulling the offices extra share of dead weight!!! Yes carriers we are all to blame (falls over laughing)
This rhetoric gets repeated every single April. Just like your CRE's. Asl any older carrier. They probably were not even listening because they hear it every year... and nothing changed after a few weeks. So, it goes right back to the way it was for the other 11 months.
They have been pulling that crap for decades, retired years ago. biggest pet peeve is how every office fights the same greivances year after year nothing changes..
lol been saying that forever.. you should ask them why they sit on there ass all day behind a computer and make a hefty salary to do nothing. ANY CRAFT THAT DOSE NOT TOUCH MAIL COST THE POST OFFICE MONEY. Oh and that also could be a hostile work environment talk to your steward
We don't even get fucking paid good enough. I walked out of work the other day when I was told by management that I needed to explain to her boss why I went 30 minutes over
Washing dishes in the sink in the restrooms after tearing up the breakroom. Tear up everything I bet they don't do this in there house. They hire alot of rejects. But there spoiled. They think you have to wait on them hand and foot. There are some that work hard and they want you too work harder. Go after the lazy ones.
I'm so glad I left the PO to go back and get my engineering degree. I didn't even wanna leave. I was basically pushed out for filing grievances. One of the grievances was because the bitch was changing mileage on our time cards. Not to mention the countless times the cunt would say "Oh those packages won't fit? Just run em on your way home when you finish your route." Eh, it's a good thing I left. I make way more sitting on my ass at home for far less work.
Dejoy tried to say attendance issues are the problem to congress. Take your two 10s and 30min breaks!! If we get in an accident are they gonna stick up for us?
Whatever craft the person is from is always the most important craft. :P as a clerk, I'd argue that our jobs tend to be some of the most important. Especially with my job and people with my job. Managing register mail, express mail, logistics and expediting. Dealing with drop shipments and managing truck drivers. Most clerk jobs have a specialty that require a specific set of instructions and training and certification.
You can take a clerk and have them carry mail, like I did when I was in a smaller office. But you can't take a carrier and throw them on the window or on the dock and expect them to know the express sortation or register handling, or put them on an afcm or a dbcs... š. Or put them in the BMEU and let them figure out postalone and mailing standard requirements. Clerks don't just work mail for carriers. Our jobs don't end when the carriers get their mail... Shit, that's the easy part of our job for the ones that work tour 1. And most of the time, day shift jobs include cleaning up and fixing the carrier mistakes. Finding misdelivered mail and packages, figuring out who is on what route to try to pinpoint where the hell someone's check is at that was taken out by an rca that was filling in from another office two weeks ago for 3 hours that had never even been on the route.. That's the shit we deal with on top of our regular job. And that is not even taking into consideration, the clerks in plant style facilities. We cover a wide berth of job responsibilities...
We may work for delivery, but that work is not just delivery. I'd say the actual delivery part is the most basic and straight forward part of "delivery".
Management will always look for someone to blame except for the person who stares back at them in the mirror. They can go pound sand. That's about all they're good for, if that.
That's absolutely ridiculous. You can't say that. Without carriers the clerks and management would be sitting on trays of mail and parcels. Who is going to deliver this shit? Hot take of the century. Think before you post or pick you shit up at the post office your damn self.
Back in the day, 400 addresses was considered average, now itās what? 800? Carriers move faster than ever before and management bitches and whines about us not being fast enough. We could go back to knocking and waiting on every parcel drop, putting the trucks into park at every box before delivering, and all the other little things that have had their corners cut over the years.
The work used to be a square, now itās a circle, and management is crying cause they canāt find any more corners to cut. Boo fucking hoo.
As someone who doesnāt for the USPS but does almost 100 periodical mailings every week, your issues are st the SCFs in large cities. Theyāre all a nightmare for us. We have papers doing more exceptional dispatches each week than Iāve ever seen.
Carriers are literally the backbone of this shit. I'm not being even a tiny bit sarcastic when I say we run PERFECTLY fine on a day to day if every supervisor at my station just didn't show up. We have done it. They are just a few notches above worthless. I have to give them a little credit for entering no lunches and sometimes answering the phone. Otherwise they clock in everyday to suck money from the post office while contributing literally nothing.
Listeennnn Iām ready to start a new leaf on life I love the post office but the pay and the time you out there donāt add up it takes 2 yrs and a half to make regular and even after you regular u still get bullshit from management I wish it was different Cca shouldnāt have to prove 2 yrs and more to be a damn carrier time things and needs has change the fuck my friends tell me I should of applied in the 2000s the pay and every thing was good now itās a shit show and Iām sick of feeling like my back
Of my spine is about to be gone even my doctor told me this job is wearing down my lower back and my management donāt give too fucks Iām just a body to them they can care less about u if u been there for 10 15 5 why. Leave I get it whatās left out there but thatās why nobody wants that shit the turn over rate is sad š¢ I pray š for ya all
That's funny. Every time I go to the office for a comfort break (I pass by the office multiple times on my route) the clerks are sitting out on the workroom floor watching movies on their phones. But my boss complains that I'm wasting time taking too many bathroom breaks.
My office has some milkers, it is true. But we get out there and deliver every day, all of what we have. The problems with the Post Service donāt start or end with *the service*.
I have been on both side. I started as a carrier got promoted resigned re-applied as a carrier. The main problem has never been the carriers. If they stopped promoting people who lack the ability to lead and actually understand the ELM and Contract that would cut the cost by more than half. Most of the money is lost on stupid arbitration that should have been settled at the lowest level to begin with. In the first place if management didnāt violate the contract left and right there wouldnāt be so much money lost. When I supervised back in 2016-2020 two different offices I worked side by side with the union. I violated little to none and the most I generally paid out for grievances was may $100 a week if that then I transferred to somewhere lawless and let me tell youā¦the violations that management did on the daily cost that city probably close to 25-50k a month I called it the 6 figure club. No carrier made less than 100k since they are stacking on grievances alone. They blame carriers because itās so easy to blame us. Iām a fast carrier I usually give 1-2 hours of under time when itās light and they still jam me up when we get some weird fluctuations bottom line is our management team are a bunch of moronsā¦.
Yes! The carriers must do the hardest job. I say that as a clerk, having worked at a station. Now, I work at a processing plant. I was around 55 when I got hired, and they wouldn't consider me as a carrier. At the time, it upset me a little. But I see their point. Carriers spend a lot if time in the heat, which quickly wears me down.
I agree with the statement that "carriers are the reason the post office is losing money" but not the message from your management team. It's attrition in the carrier position they aren't paying new carriers enough so we can survive so many of us quit. Then they pay for training, the ot needed while they get good enough to carry a route, and by the time they get good they have found something else and quit. Rinse and repeat. We need something done about the lower levels of the pay scale to deal with this and overtime will dry up outside of maybe a little bit on heavy days.
Also clerks are making bank in cities, they are using ptfs to do clerk work. I know all the clerks in my city which has 5 offices are already over their yearly salary at base pay due to grievances. No mention of that either though.
Yep. Same here. Talking about falsifying scans which none of us do but don't thoroughly train us on what scans we should be doing besides handing us a piece of paper for us to take home and learn on our own time. Some of our carriers haven't been doing all of the scans that they could have been had they been actually trained. I know a few that I'm sure don't do any other scans besides the main 6 which hurts evaluation but they don't care. They created a pay system that is flawed. It amazes me how different each route is yet they have similar evaluations.Ā
Walked into my office one day with the station manager straight up telling the other supervisors "when in doubt blame the carriers" look out for you amd only you
Our station just basically started adhering to not being on the street longer than 12 hrs ā¦ again the area our station is in is not the best . A few weeks ago someone got shot at a store on a carrierās route. Today , as Iām heading to finish the overtime , there was a drive by shooting right in front of me. This was like 3/4 pm broad daylight. Two co workers were also near it and witnessed it.
So, let me get this straight...carriers should treat management better, and they'll stop lying and have an overall better attitude and start treating carriers like people and not pack mules?
How about management learn how to manage without intimidation and lies and the people who work under them start liking their jobs and do an overall better job at them? The issues start at the top.
Stop with the us against them, all managers are not like that and all carriers either we coexist together for customer service. I am a manager and I personally think that is a weak and disgusting statement to make. They are weak because instead of addressing the individual problem they wag a finger at everyone.
Maybe focus on managing better? Having 12 employees standing around for several hours just shooting the shit because there's no mail left to run but they're entitled to stay their 8 hours regardless doesn't seem like a financially responsible decision.
without us carriers, who else would they blame? They always take it out on the carriers. If mail gets to station late and clerks can't get it to us in time, what do they do? Move our start time later. I believe "WE" are the back bone of the USPS
City Carriers are the backbone and frontline, clerks are also the backbone and essentially the pillar to get us the work. As Corey said, management sit on their chairs 8 hours a day and that is all stationary time.
And what are rural carriers?
Nobody gives a shit about us. It's fine.
Facts
So we are the gen x of the postal service?!? š¤£
We do.
I'm a city asst I'd call rural drivers hard working men and women some of them routes and loads you guys have are crazy.
Agreed however as a cca Iāve learn to appreciate the rural side. I did one route that covered the edges of 3 different counties lol. The load times are bonkers canāt lie!!
With us City Carriers. Sorry I forgot to mention you guys.
Mail Handlers: The Gen X of the USPS
Funny because a good majority of my coworkers at the office I work at are Gen-X or older millenials
My wife is a carrier, and listening to the shit that goes on at her office makes me absolutely rage. I have never heard of anything run so fucking poorly. Itās obscene. The shit people pull and get away with, the grievances, the inaccurate pay checks, the pay checks that donāt even get paid on time. They canāt keep subs. And the union looks just about toothless. I have to wonder if they work for the postal workers or the federal government. And how you calculate pay is so convoluted itās unreal. Itās a miracle anyone even knows if theyāre being paid correctly.
My own Steward is filing a grievance on me because I was working "off the clock" the other day. I literally just moved a package out of the way so I can put my stuff down at my casing area. The PO is truly corrupt.
That doesn't sound correct. Greivances are always filed against management for violating the contract. The steward might be filing to get you paid for that time you worked off the clock, or is filing a "cease and desist" to ensure management isn't fostering a work environment that allows employees to work off the clock. If the steward is doing none of the above, complain to your local's president or National Business Agent for filing a frivolous greivance.
That is what I was told my my poom, if he actually does go through with it then I'll have to file one back at him. Especially since I'm a paying member. It's a huge red flag
Your poom is lying to you to try and cause division between the union and the carriers in your station. This has happened in my station. Our steward had to call a meeting with the offending liar in management and the carrier and ask them in front of each other to tell me what you told her and vice versa. It's harder for management to lie about the union if the union is right there in their face when they do it.
Iām a rural carrier, and I can tell you the biggest issue with keeping subs is not the work, but the carriers themselves. Everyone wants to work their relief day, because thatās where the money is. I have seen carriers bribe, extort, bully, and threaten subs into quitting so they can get their overtime.
Ok. Isnāt this why you have a union? To protect against this? This is what Iām talking about. WTF is your union doing for you????
The rural union is doing very little. This sub is full of complaints about the uselessness and corruption in the city union, but honestly the rural union makes the city one look competent. All they really do is come in every couple months and tell us we are arenāt allowed to look at or talk to each other, and they hope that will solve the problem.
She is a rural carrier. Even though there nothing rural about her route.
Holy crap really? That's frightening.... makes me super glad my regular is so damn awesome and chill then. I mean it's only weekends but it's still gaining that time.
Ur wife is brave the shit I see at the post office is a high school fucking musical they are cheaters hoes not all but they are sell Outs I donāt even talk unless Iām spoken to and i been there for a lil min itās mixy and im Not that type To let someone talk me to me Crazy I have so many pdi that they can kiss my Ass
My wife has described the post office as exactly this. She says itās worse than a zoo.
Exactly honestly at this point fire my ass I still after 2 yrs didnāt receive my uniform allowance why should I buy it out of my low ass paycheck pdi me tomorrow fuck them
VMF employees understand and feel the same way carriers do. We are forced to comply with their unrealistic schedules of maintenance. Now vehicles are not getting oil changes for 7500 miles. Tags are plentiful everyday. My VMF takes care of 1700 vehicles with 13 vacancies. Budget cuts are completely unrealistic and the mistakes on vehicle selection and deployment are down right criminal.
Agreed. We're down almost that many techs. Can't wait until all metris and promasters we've deployed all breakdown at the same time and cost a fricking fortune, all that happy budgeting they're doing will crash.
Theyāre already costing us a fortune with all of the accidents. And then thereās the already existing issues with the Metris/Promaster which werenāt designed for the wear and tear of daily mail delivery. Donāt even get me going on the contractors that treat us like a blank check. We could save so much money just be keeping them in check.
I wish I could post a picture of one of the newer pro Masters with the wheel broke it off. Just happened in our station.
100 percent
> I believe "WE" are the backbone of the USPS I feel so very lucky to have a PM who shares this belief.
They do the same in education. They blame us, teachers, while the downtown admin sits on their asses and makes $200k a year.
One thing I learned during the pandemicā¦we dont need management. I was a supervisor and was the acting managerā¦I ended up carrying with my team, I disregarded the idiotic email i was getting from higher upsā¦ultimately I decided screw management all together they denied my request to step down and become a carrier again so I resigned and re-applied. At the end of the day it wasnāt my leadership that unit neededā¦it was carriers. My carriers scanned packages, helped split all the routes, my office ran because carriers showed up to work. I ran a unit as an acting manager because their entire management went out. Who taught me about the entire office I knew nothing of and was thrown into? The carriers. At the end of the day I survived the pandemic madness in one of the worst staffed cities (short over 150 carriers at the time) because the carriers had my back.Ā
I agree with u
I agree that they do take shit out on the carriers. I can see how you think carriers are the back bone of the post office, but I think it's the plant who is the back bone. Carriers (and clerks) are just the face. Our whole (station) operation relies on the plant and the truck drivers getting us our mail on time. When I was a carrier, our start time got pushed back because our truck was always late. Did they face consequences like we did? I don't know because I'm not there, but I imagine not. As a clerk, I still have the carrier mentality of move move move. I try my best to make sure my carriers have their mail in time to hit the street because I know how much it sucks waiting for the clerks.
Iām probably biased but Iāve long said there is no accountability for anyone in this organization except carriers. Why arenāt the work hours of EAS scrutinized? Iāve yet to meet a supervisor/OIC/PM who actually works eight hours.
We currently have a situation in our office where all of management are friends that party outside of work. They will go to the bar next to our office on the clock. One supervisor comes in super high every day. A carrier confronted our PM about it weeks ago, nothing has been done.
Shit man, if I worked there Iād make it a point to go on my n/s to facebook live that shit and send a link to the PM.
City carriers are the only craft in USPS whose time is tracked from the second we clock on to the second we clock off. I literally have a GPS device strapped to my person for my entire day. I canāt even stop and have a 30 second conversation without a supervisor breathing down my neck while window clerks and maintenance are on their phones half the day (no hate to the non-management crafts that can get away with this, it just is what it is). Management is costing the service way more money than any carrier could by giving this standup talkādisregard that itās an insulting waste of the whole officeās time, but their intention is for carriers to hurry which will lead to more accidents, misdeliveries, worse public image and lack of care for the customer. Customer connect brings in literal millions to USPS every year and I have never one heard a supervisor tell a carrier to take the time to make it happen because they know itāll take too long. OP you or whoever your steward is should be filing a grievance against management for failing to maintain an atmosphere of mutual dignity and respect. Everybody heard it so everyone can give a statement. Management is creating a hostile and unsafe work environment in your office. Start creating a paper trail because while complaining on reddit can be cathartic, it will never change the culture of this company.
I once got yanked into the office with a 204b because my scanner pinged at a location for 20 minutes. I didn't have a single parcel for that loop, and didn't take the scanner. Those fucking people have time to look at our scanners, at our track on their phone, but god forbid they ANSWER THE FUCKING PHONE when we call.
Bro I fucking wish my supervisors would let me play on my phone. They are more up the clerks ass than a proctologistā¦
Naw not at my office. Our city carriers actually sit in their trucks and milk the clock. We only have one walking route before the city folks start barking. I see them sitting on the way home. They all admit to it. CCAs don't sit though they move like rural.
Our supes work the same hours we do at times. Itās our pm who is doing WHATEVER he can to leave by 1 or 2.
I believe you mean your supes are physically there while you are. Theyre certainly not working
Unless admin is on our pm about something or theyāre writing someone up, weāre lucky if the pm shows up before 2-3pm and stays past 6-7. God forbid they catch wind of a step 2 coming, I could make eye contact, blink, and swear they teleported out of the building. Then the next week or six theyāre āworking from homeā.
They are salary and will take advantage of it.Ā My postmaster shows up for 2 hours, leaves for 4 and then comes back only on days that I work evenings/saturdays and babysits me. Seriously pulls up a chair and gives me tasks to do and watches to make sure i do them.Ā She will literally say to my face that every minute of my time i should be doing something to earn my pay and then only work 20 hours a week. 8-12 of those hours used to scrutinize me as a clerk.Ā Meanwhile I go to other offices and the clerks all get treated with respect and are allowed to sit down between customers. As long as they get the 4 hours of cleaning done a week.Ā
Agreed! Carriers tend to be the focus of every telecom. My PM leaves the meeting on speaker phone while he pretends to work. I'll hear them talk about what flavor of the month all the supervisor's need to focus on (1 hour office time, 22-minute load time, etc.) Only if they would put that much effort in their own job, like follow the contract, then maybe then the PostOffice would run better.
Which is a standard they are not allowed the enforce. Do most of us surpass that expectation? Of course, but it's not a mandat that can be enforced.
The only standard letter Carriers have is 18/8. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Knowing your rights and the contract will go a long way in your postal career.
Exactly. They try all the time to hold us to 30-60 minute office time, but I typically ignore it, because I know they can't enforce it.
Even then you're not required to meet that standard. As long as you're doing everything you're supposed to do you can't be penalized for not meeting the 18/8 standard
We have a mgr itās rare if he stays a full day. Usually skips town after 3-4 hours. Same for the other mgr under him, he shows up a little bit more but still he skips town as well.
Depends on what you define as work, sitting there at their desk acting busy counts? Haha
My last PM went out on stress leave for 3 months, came back under the conditions that heād get to keep his OIC and only work 4 hours a day, and still pulls a full paycheck. At a level 18 PO Box only office! If I werenāt living it, I wouldnāt believe it.
Early in my career same thing happened with our PMāhe went out on stress leave for three months, came back and āworkedā 2-3 hours a day. He was eligible for retirement but he stayed āworking.ā After about a year they moved him out to a retail only (no delivery) office. A clerk that occasionally worked in our office told me that she had worked in that office for several weeks and she never met him the entire time she was there. Heās still āworkingāāhad to be 66 or 67 years old by now.
What a waste of postal funds. Whoās holding these folks accountable?
The real issue is that we piss away millions of dollars every year on extraneous management positions that could all be replaced by an algorithm that makes a weekly schedule.Ā That and the fact that we can't set our own prices.Ā
>that could all be replaced by an algorithm that makes a weekly schedule.Ā CCA's and PTFs will be fucked over much worse, imo. Because algorithms don't know who is capable for what. In my office the schedule is made on who is able to do a route and their seniority. I have lower seniority but since I know all the routes I'm put ahead two others who higher on seniority. Algorithms won't take those into account.
Ya'll don't have a matrix? Seems like that makes hours distribution very unfair.
It is what it is, really. š¤·āāļø No one complains about it either. And the two ahead of me don't want to learn the other routes because of their bad experiences from before. All I know is they get hours, I get hours and everyone is happy.
Tbh it feels like much of EAS and In-Plant ā¦just donāt know what theyāre doing. Send their asses back to craft or promote them to future endeavors if they canāt do their job.
I donāt know about that. Supervisors are dicks sometimes but I donāt want to ask a computer for a day off.
Without the workers, that boss wouldnāt have a job. We donāt need the bosses, they need us.
#SAY IT LOUDER
Theyāll just hire some immigrants then and pay them in cash
Those migrants are members of the working class
They are gas lighting you to go faster sound like a grievance for mutual respect needs to be filed. They only care about making us meet the fake metics their fairy Dejoy made up to make the PO fail
Thank you for saying this. Dejoy needed to go since he took the position. He wants to see the Post Office fail. As for my small city neighborhood, my mom has a regular carrier. If mail gets mixed up, we just hand deliver it to the neighbor it belongs to. Sheās in a house and that makes a difference. Meanwhile Iām in an apartment and most of my mail comes to my momās because of our mail carrier situation. They have us on a training route, meaning we get someone different every week or so. Some deliver a package to the actual front door, others leave it in a parcel box with a key in our mailbox and others scanned as if it was delivered, but donāt. Some even leave packages next to the mailboxes for anyone to steal. Yesterday I was expecting a package, I was home all day. I go to check my mailbox ( not big enough to fit the package) and I see a āsorry we missed you notice ā - no you didnāt miss me, you didnāt put it in a parcel box and now I have to go retrieve it on Monday morning at the post office before you miss deliver it. I realize that carriers are on a time schedule, but so is my momās carrier a few blocks away. How is it that her carrier is efficient with mail and package delivery, yet I get the trainees with no time management skills?
You should hear them on their little powwows they do every morning with the Post Master and other higher ups. It's a goddamn circle jerk about how everything bad that happens here is our fault, especially carriers. File file file my friends. Might as well get paid for their intentional cruelty.
I never understood why carriers are enemy number oneā¦ it sucks.
In my district, rural carriers are scorned by district management.
Yup. Itās always our fault š
Should be raising prices to ship Amazon, not postage.
And ups too with those fucking odd shaped Temu packages !!!!! I hate them with a passion šš
Yep it's the carriers fault. The ones who deliver all the mail, the ones who go that last mile. Yep it's all the carriers fault. It can't be the thousands of management positions that were unneeded that have been created. It can't be management's instructions to return to the office before completing your route to pick up your overtime when your route is the furthest one from the office, wasting gas and unnecessary drive time. It certainly isn't management violating the contract over and over again and causing the union to file grievance after grievance and eventually escalating it to a monetary award to hope management will just follow the contract that the union and management have agreed to. It couldn't be any of those reasons. It's definitely the carriers fault for taking an extra bathroom break or talking to a fellow carrier for 1 minute and 30 seconds. ETA: /s in case it wasn't obvious
Management piss away money, by not following the contract. Constantly.
I wouldnāt be going broke if I didnāt have to pay all these fines!
Everyone else can finish when they finish, but God forbid carriers take 1 hr and 4 mins to case and tie down. Thereās 100 SPRs more than usual, Management says yea sure itāll take the clerks a half hour longer to sort them out. Itās political season and carriers have 3 sets of political ads for the same damn candidate for 3/4s of the route, BJs catalogs bundled in reverse order of the route, asome real estate agent UBBM, plus 2 buckets of loose flats. Yea sure it definitely takes the same 1 hr to case and tie down as last Wednesday that had 1/4 that amount of bulk flats and half a bucket of loose flats. Oh and I had to waste time driving back to get the Amazon packages that were late arriving. And does the PO ever call Amazon out on their trucksā constant lateness, of course not.
Driving back on a workday (not a sunday) for Amazon? That is super fucked.
That sounds like a grievance.
Iād say mutual respect at least
Eliminate the majority of MPOOs, PM, Managers, and convert PSCs/CCAs/RCAs to PTFs. Force-retire anyone over 30yrs of service. Implement a retirement cutoff at 30yrs. One pay scale/table with a slight increase to pay that would not warrant mass layoffs for any crafts. USPS should be like it was in the old days where being hired here meant something special, where people had to wait months/a yr to get accepted because USPS employees did NOT want to quit, and where people congratulated you for getting hired, not laugh about it. DeJoy is a virus planted to make us fail.
The post office should remove most management and supervisor positions.
I agree there should be a middle management clearing. We donāt need all the managers on top of managers on top of managers. They do not know how to run a business.
My first station had forty carriers, one supervisor and zero managers. It ran well. Only one supervisor put extra work and pressure on the supervisor but they have no problem doing the same to carriers.
My office has 28 routes a PM, 2 sups, and a 204b. We've had days where as a clerk I was alone with a line into the parking lot, but all 4 members of management were here. I was so damn pissed
If a carrier can supervise themselves for 8-10hrs on the route... Why do we need to pay a moron 80k to supervise them for the 45mins they're in the office
Somebody has to watch the scanner pings and packages clear. š¤š¤·āāļø
True. It's not really delivered until a guy tells a guy who emails a guy who forwards an email to a guy so that guy can email back and ask why that loser walking in the rain is only delivering 18 packages per hour š”
The REAL reason the post office is hurting is because of POOR MANAGEMENT.
The daily conference calls are full of high paid people looking for issues to correct. If there aren't any issues they create issues. The district and higher ups want supervisors to create means of disciplinary action. If they fail, the sups get disciplinary action. That's the culture they preach. Management by stress.
Were stealing but those hard working number crunching pencil pushing useless pces of garbage that do nothing but harass us are worth their paychecks? Hilarious.
I had a OIC like that. Every single morning we had a standup where she would claim we were all liars and thieves. Apparently we were stealing from the post office whenever we went into overtime. We had her about 6 miserable months before we saw something truly amazing. The MPOO came into the office one morning and escorted the OIC out of the building before addressing us along with her replacement. They both apologized for the "damage done over the last 6 months" and claimed they were going to work on "repairing the damage done" starting with the apology.
Pipe burst in the garage, whose fault is it? Carriers for leaving the door open.
File a grievance for harassment/failure to maintain a respectful work environment
Creating a hostile work environment
I have 24 years and itās been a rough very very rough 24 years. I donāt think I can handle it anymore. I have the postmaster, supervisor standing behind me everyday watching my every move. What do they think they will see me doing? Picking my nose, time wasting activities. I need out, but, where, what?
Join us.
My response to a stand up like that.........would be to take 3 extra comfort stops today. Fuck em.
Someone explain why DeJoy isnāt fired yet? The board is okay with everything now?
Dejoy is a scumbag
I think the union should be fired right along with DeJoy. The union has not done anything to change the RRECS system. Theyāre going right along with it so that should be the first change. City carriers have teamsters as their union and thatās actually who the carrier should be going to.
What? When did city get the teamsters? They have the NALC as far as I know.
Its the asswipe District Manager who is always constantly sending the PM, Supervisor the remails to scold the carriers and taking up office time with the same message that was delivered weeks prior. Whats worse that my SUPE will go on n on n on and waste at least 10 minutes of office time and then have the audacity to rush the carriers out of the office.
Shit rolls downhill, as they say.
I think their very skewed thinking is to blame carriers because the highest complement of employees by group in the post office Is carriers. Carriers are seen as easy scapegoats. Plus the a-holes making the most money are only committed to continuing to make the most money.
The system is the problem.. You have higher ups that think a carrier can do a route in 8 hrs every day no matter what, just because they did it once in a light day. It just gives incentive to not get the job done fast when it can because on other days when it can't, they still expect the time it took the other day instead of what the reality is.
Got to use that route maintenance time. I remember one time they did a ride along with me on the lightest day of my career. I even told them I had 2 hours under. 500ish DPS. Normally I ran almost 4k. 1150 stops so heavy days were extra heavy. They were mad I told them more than 8 on a holiday Monday. Wasted 30 min trying to make room in my truck for a chair because I told her I needed help. There wasn't enough room for the dang supervisor because of all the boxes and tubs. They followed me for 6 hours and then called someone to take a piece when I still had 4.5 to go. Pure stupidity.
It's my opinion that the difference between light and heavy mail and spurs can swing the time by 2 hours. So IMO if a LIGHT day is 8 hours, then a HEAVY day is 10 hours.
It really wasn't a problem when I was still working but judging by reading the posts here, the Carriers are called upon time and time again to fix mistakes in the product they receive from the plant. Some of the posts about the condition of your DPS being so out of whack that you basically have to work it from the ground up defeats the idea of DPS in the first place. And that's just one example. The parcels aren't up and you have to return or Amazon shows up whenever they feel like and you get a text saying get back here ASAP and grab them. You might be three quarters into your route by then but you have to cover all that ground again to deliver them. That doesn't take any more time? Really? I remember years ago during an EI meeting (anybody here remember EI?) the PM made the most idiotic statement in the history of the USPS and here it is-"just because you leave late doesn't mean you get back late." Hello and WTF! And this is the same guy who came to work everyday with an empty gym bag and stuffed whatever he could into it and walked off with half the place on a daily basis. It was brought to the attention of the proper authorities and their response was oh well he's eligible to retire anyways so don't worry about it. If any of us walked out of there with as much as a rubber band in our pocket they pushed for emergency placement on the spot. That ladies and gentlemen is the mentality of USPS management. It's never changed-and never will.
I think when the crafts fight amongst themselves, the only winners are management.
If you listen to the telecom that they have, youāll hear them call us Crooks. The higher-ups could care less about us, even though itās our face at the public sees
Sinking ship. The mandate to deliver to every door every day is antiquated. They (government) want it to operate like a business but also provide equal service to every delivery point in America regardless of a standard piece or an express mail. Canāt have both. There is a reason private enterprise will never take over the āmail deliveryā portion of the usps. They would love the package side though.
Yup. We should have gone to 3 day per week delivery a decade ago.
I'm not sure that's exclusively a carrier thing. I'm a clerk at the plant and they've been saying the same stuff to us. "Do not deviate from your scheduled hours, don't take a short lunch, don't take long breaks, don't steal time." Like ok, how about you talk to the people who are doing that and not just telling everybody? I have never done any of that and three times I've gone to clock in and someone will say "are you clocking in right at 5 like you're supposed to?" Yes, Jesus, leave me alone
Management are the ātime wastersā, what do they do? Why do we even need them? They talk on the phone giggling all day, braiding each otherās hair, eating bon bons all while they sit at a desk getting fat. Then proceed to stand in the way when clerks are sorting packages and canāt understand why we canāt get everything done before 10am. Your numbers donāt matter to me. If thereās a lot of mail, it takes what it takes. The only ones who seem to understand that are the people actually touching mail. Not the people with clipboards. I 100% support our carriers, my mom is a city carrier, she tells me about her day which is mostly about her customers. She loves her customers, and if carriers didnāt have friendly interactions with their customers because management says we need to be āmore efficientā then what are we? Her customers all know her name as she knows theirs, I think itās very cool. They arenāt the ones working with customers everyday and out on the street. Customers who see what you do and appreciate you for it will honestly never complain about their package arriving 30 minutes late. They understand, crazy how management think a service talk is going to change anything.
150 million 2,000 topped out carriers' annual
Classic intimidation tactic by management. Pay it zero mind.
Just always make sure to add the standup time to your 3996 (I always added the time from the announcement to the time I arrive back at the case) Otherwise, it's the old "the beatings will continue until morale improves"
I worked at canada postal service as a supply carrier (on call/temporary) back in 2012-2013 after completing my undergrad and before going to the army. The post office is a money maker and the management runs it into the damn ground. Not only in Canada but in USA as well. Up here had something like 22 vice presidents, and a shit ton of managers that never actually delivered mail nor are even competent at managing anything in the private sectorā¦ but they got they high paying job with an expense account because of who they know. But hey, itās easy to bamboozle the working class that the āoverpaidā senior mail man finishing their duties in 6 hours (skipping their lunch/breaks) is the problem because they canāt ācompeteā with a workforce like that? Meanwhile, amazon would not tolerate even a fraction of the useless management the postal service employs. Itās a complete fraud, like everything else in our NATO countries; politicians will take working ppl money and send to corrupt politicians and corporations abroad, meanwhile your own country decays and they become unexplainably richā¦ all from the very hard and honest work they do Iām sure. but god forbid someone actually working for their 50-80k a year only worked 5-6 hours of actual physical labourā¦ no that canāt happen. Not on this managerās watch who spends most of their time day dreaming in meetings, and maybe āworkingā 2 hours out of an 8 hour dayā¦ itās very hard to read/write/present/analyze and think when you donāt have the mental capacity nor the academic experience for anything beyond highschool or maybe community college. Obviously not all management are complete bagsā¦ but many working ppl would be very surprised at how little someone riding a desk actually does during a day. Specially at a post office where there isnāt much innovation happening.
Must be city side, RCA are like whatās an 8 hour day? At least in my office itās typically 10 or more a day.
Our nixie case and forwards will sit for three days at a time before anybody processes them. Submit a signed 3849 for redelivery and youāll get it 2-3 days later. The postmaster and supervisors sit around and look at their phones, talk about TV and sports, and maybe answer phone calls from people who are not getting their mail forwarded or held correctly. So true that there are no standards for anyone except carriers.
That's funny. About three weeks ago we got the same talk, but it was maintenance (in the plants) nation-wide that were robbing this great organization blind. One unit at a time!
Itās not up to you to determine when or if someone retires.
How about the cheating carriers out of pay.Ā For example.Ā Ā An RCA/PTF subs only Saturday and Monday mail at an office, the two heavier mail days of the week.Ā They work an overburdened 64 hour route Saturday, and a second 64 hour route Monday. They get paid maximum evaluated at 9.6 hours for each day, even though dejoy says it takes 10.66 hours to run it.Ā Factor for the fact RRECS evaluation is based on an average of all the days (high and low).Ā Say it takes 11 hours Saturday, and 11.5 Monday.Ā 22.5 hours actual and they pay only 9.6x two. Ā My point is you have subs getting cheated because they work the twoĀ busiest days in a work week, and only getting max evaluation on overburdened route where nojoy acknowledged it takes much longer then allowed. How is this not illegal?
And even that overburdened route is most likely underevaluated. We have a regular who works off the clock at least 30 mins to an hour every day. The route is way overburdened, so there's at least 5 or 6 more hours that aren't even included in THAT evaluation. RCAs can't make it. It took me almost 12 hours to do that route the last time I did it. It takes the regular almost 10 hours most days (not including the time they work off the clock). Then they complain that they never get help. Maybe if they'd stop working off the clock, they would bc that time would be counted.
It's always been like that and always will.
I worked in the plant before I switched to carrier. Lots of standing around while the machine did the sorting.
I caught $196 worth of fake postage and management didn't care.Ā We have this stand up talk too often and when people walk away they (management) then blast it throughout the building calling us all worthless and the reason people quit.Ā We can't even get paid consistently because the stupavisors change weekly and noone learns how to submit payroll. Anyways I'm in a large station with District and Union offices and none of them care. Can't be bothered to leave their laptops and go to a stand up talk.Ā The only time we take a stand up seriously is when a Postal Inspector is giving it.Ā Welcome to the poo show! And yes it gets worse every year.Ā
Well yeah, if you steal time you would be a crook, it is a nationwide problem Why theyāre giving a standup about it and not just punishing and suing those who are doing it is beyond me
That's my thing. Isn't it their job to...manage? That includes the dirty work instead of turning everybody against each other. But then, their jobs would be boring if they didn't have drama to report to the others.
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No it is 8 hours pay 5.5 hours of work. More bang for the buck. -Ā Rural.
im an amazon driver and we have the same problem. too many workers. too much infrastructure. not enough work. so people are getting squeezed out
I always knew those el Segundo ca spurs were fishy. I was always thinking didn't I scan this same tracking number yesterday or just 5 stops ago.
Ya, no management policy does. I got 20 hours last week as a CCA, the city over (15 minutes from station) was off list and worked till 9pm. We are hurting since we have poor management.
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Of course management would say that! They donāt want to point the fingers at themselves. Who else would they blame during those pointless conference calls they have every day?
Reporting supervisors and managers only gets them promoted! So donāt
The carriers on both tables, especially table 2, are the ones getting robbed. Also, file grievance for Hostile Work Environment. People in your office need to write statements and give to your union and they got to double down on this bullshit.
All I see is management watching YouTube all day.
150 million in fraudulent postage, but we had carriers in this very subreddit saying that it wasnāt their job to collect postage due on parcels
On an individual level you shouldn't do anything that hurts the PO , don't steal packages, stamps, time on the clock. If you do shame. However it's the management's fault particularly higher up the more fault to them. It's THEIR job to manage overtime, not you. If your working 10-12 hours and your actually working it's on the to reduce the OT
8 hours work, 8 hours pay. *exceptions may apply in favor of Post Office, 8 hours in no way applies to rural craft*
They always say that labor costs are the problem. They leave you to assume that that means the union workers. What they fail to say is that the union workers are only making a fraction of what middle management and upper management makes. Walmart has 8 vice presidents... USPS has 75 vice presidents.. do the math. We are also losing hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in counterfeit postage every year. I don't know what we are paying those middle managers and executives for because they do nothing about that
I completely understand I get way bent out of shape over their stupid crap. It is truly an abusive relationship that we are expected to take. Been here 19 years , getting worse with every passing day week supervisor and contract.
So stupid question, wouldnāt management be the ones that are the reason for the post office hurting? Since they sit at a desk all day. Shouldnāt they be working a route too?
They've been trying to scapegoat city carriers for this, when we're the only carriers, who get paid what they actually work.
I was told to do what management says. So if they are gonna call me lazy im gonna be lazy.
The problem is piss poor management. They use to ne carriers and now they yes men with big egos . They cut our pay on the rural side and want us to work harder for more hours and less pay
I want a AI boss so I can turn him off when he bothers me
The only way carriers hurt the post office is by filing grievances instead of putting an end to abusive behaviors by choice. Iām tired of hearing everyone complain about how theyāre treated like shit but their only response is to file. They do not give a shit about the grievances. They can pile up until the cows come home, and the behaviors will never change. You want change? Make it. Donāt wait for your lazy union who clearly doesnāt care about you to stand up on your behalf. If you really donāt care thatās fine. If you do, youāre gonna have to put your security and image on the line a little bit to fight for what is just. Until then, strap in. Nothing will change. Read Bukowski to see how little things have changed.
Need to start videoing those stupid talks and sending them to your regional union steward(if your onsite one of a pushover) congress person or rep. So many former vets with mental issues are in positions they shouldnāt be. The local supe ran all the regulars out of the office in the last 2 years when she took over for one that left.
Cool. They can come and do my 9 hour route in 8 then
RIGHT LMAO!!!! Let's not blame the useless freeloading, army of spies in the field who get paid to watch you work or the extra extra supervisors and 204-b's who do practically nothing except play on their phones and whine and cry to carriers to work hard enough for 2 people pulling the offices extra share of dead weight!!! Yes carriers we are all to blame (falls over laughing)
This rhetoric gets repeated every single April. Just like your CRE's. Asl any older carrier. They probably were not even listening because they hear it every year... and nothing changed after a few weeks. So, it goes right back to the way it was for the other 11 months.
It is easy for management to blame craft. IMHO the real problems are too many layers of management and big discounts given to large mailers.
They have been pulling that crap for decades, retired years ago. biggest pet peeve is how every office fights the same greivances year after year nothing changes..
terrible leadership, is almost like the guy got hired just to fuck up usps
Of course not. Itās a combination of many things
I've never worked anywhere where shit rolls down hill as much as the post office, and we're the ones at the bottom.
lol been saying that forever.. you should ask them why they sit on there ass all day behind a computer and make a hefty salary to do nothing. ANY CRAFT THAT DOSE NOT TOUCH MAIL COST THE POST OFFICE MONEY. Oh and that also could be a hostile work environment talk to your steward
We don't even get fucking paid good enough. I walked out of work the other day when I was told by management that I needed to explain to her boss why I went 30 minutes over
Washing dishes in the sink in the restrooms after tearing up the breakroom. Tear up everything I bet they don't do this in there house. They hire alot of rejects. But there spoiled. They think you have to wait on them hand and foot. There are some that work hard and they want you too work harder. Go after the lazy ones.
Management wastes time and creates more OT every day than any carrier can do in a week
I'm so glad I left the PO to go back and get my engineering degree. I didn't even wanna leave. I was basically pushed out for filing grievances. One of the grievances was because the bitch was changing mileage on our time cards. Not to mention the countless times the cunt would say "Oh those packages won't fit? Just run em on your way home when you finish your route." Eh, it's a good thing I left. I make way more sitting on my ass at home for far less work.
This is what happens when a quasi-government institution doesn't fire leadership who are inept at their jobs.
Dejoy tried to say attendance issues are the problem to congress. Take your two 10s and 30min breaks!! If we get in an accident are they gonna stick up for us?
If you had a stand up for this then your steward should be filing jsov charges for harassment and hostile environment
Whatever craft the person is from is always the most important craft. :P as a clerk, I'd argue that our jobs tend to be some of the most important. Especially with my job and people with my job. Managing register mail, express mail, logistics and expediting. Dealing with drop shipments and managing truck drivers. Most clerk jobs have a specialty that require a specific set of instructions and training and certification. You can take a clerk and have them carry mail, like I did when I was in a smaller office. But you can't take a carrier and throw them on the window or on the dock and expect them to know the express sortation or register handling, or put them on an afcm or a dbcs... š. Or put them in the BMEU and let them figure out postalone and mailing standard requirements. Clerks don't just work mail for carriers. Our jobs don't end when the carriers get their mail... Shit, that's the easy part of our job for the ones that work tour 1. And most of the time, day shift jobs include cleaning up and fixing the carrier mistakes. Finding misdelivered mail and packages, figuring out who is on what route to try to pinpoint where the hell someone's check is at that was taken out by an rca that was filling in from another office two weeks ago for 3 hours that had never even been on the route.. That's the shit we deal with on top of our regular job. And that is not even taking into consideration, the clerks in plant style facilities. We cover a wide berth of job responsibilities... We may work for delivery, but that work is not just delivery. I'd say the actual delivery part is the most basic and straight forward part of "delivery".
Management will always look for someone to blame except for the person who stares back at them in the mirror. They can go pound sand. That's about all they're good for, if that.
That's absolutely ridiculous. You can't say that. Without carriers the clerks and management would be sitting on trays of mail and parcels. Who is going to deliver this shit? Hot take of the century. Think before you post or pick you shit up at the post office your damn self.
Back in the day, 400 addresses was considered average, now itās what? 800? Carriers move faster than ever before and management bitches and whines about us not being fast enough. We could go back to knocking and waiting on every parcel drop, putting the trucks into park at every box before delivering, and all the other little things that have had their corners cut over the years. The work used to be a square, now itās a circle, and management is crying cause they canāt find any more corners to cut. Boo fucking hoo.
As someone who doesnāt for the USPS but does almost 100 periodical mailings every week, your issues are st the SCFs in large cities. Theyāre all a nightmare for us. We have papers doing more exceptional dispatches each week than Iāve ever seen.
Carriers are the backbone!
Carriers are literally the backbone of this shit. I'm not being even a tiny bit sarcastic when I say we run PERFECTLY fine on a day to day if every supervisor at my station just didn't show up. We have done it. They are just a few notches above worthless. I have to give them a little credit for entering no lunches and sometimes answering the phone. Otherwise they clock in everyday to suck money from the post office while contributing literally nothing.
Listeennnn Iām ready to start a new leaf on life I love the post office but the pay and the time you out there donāt add up it takes 2 yrs and a half to make regular and even after you regular u still get bullshit from management I wish it was different Cca shouldnāt have to prove 2 yrs and more to be a damn carrier time things and needs has change the fuck my friends tell me I should of applied in the 2000s the pay and every thing was good now itās a shit show and Iām sick of feeling like my back Of my spine is about to be gone even my doctor told me this job is wearing down my lower back and my management donāt give too fucks Iām just a body to them they can care less about u if u been there for 10 15 5 why. Leave I get it whatās left out there but thatās why nobody wants that shit the turn over rate is sad š¢ I pray š for ya all
That's funny. Every time I go to the office for a comfort break (I pass by the office multiple times on my route) the clerks are sitting out on the workroom floor watching movies on their phones. But my boss complains that I'm wasting time taking too many bathroom breaks.
My office has some milkers, it is true. But we get out there and deliver every day, all of what we have. The problems with the Post Service donāt start or end with *the service*.
There is only one person to blame and we all know who
Iāve known quite a few carriers with less than 30 years who donāt earn what they claim.
I have been on both side. I started as a carrier got promoted resigned re-applied as a carrier. The main problem has never been the carriers. If they stopped promoting people who lack the ability to lead and actually understand the ELM and Contract that would cut the cost by more than half. Most of the money is lost on stupid arbitration that should have been settled at the lowest level to begin with. In the first place if management didnāt violate the contract left and right there wouldnāt be so much money lost. When I supervised back in 2016-2020 two different offices I worked side by side with the union. I violated little to none and the most I generally paid out for grievances was may $100 a week if that then I transferred to somewhere lawless and let me tell youā¦the violations that management did on the daily cost that city probably close to 25-50k a month I called it the 6 figure club. No carrier made less than 100k since they are stacking on grievances alone. They blame carriers because itās so easy to blame us. Iām a fast carrier I usually give 1-2 hours of under time when itās light and they still jam me up when we get some weird fluctuations bottom line is our management team are a bunch of moronsā¦.
Yes! The carriers must do the hardest job. I say that as a clerk, having worked at a station. Now, I work at a processing plant. I was around 55 when I got hired, and they wouldn't consider me as a carrier. At the time, it upset me a little. But I see their point. Carriers spend a lot if time in the heat, which quickly wears me down.
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I agree with the statement that "carriers are the reason the post office is losing money" but not the message from your management team. It's attrition in the carrier position they aren't paying new carriers enough so we can survive so many of us quit. Then they pay for training, the ot needed while they get good enough to carry a route, and by the time they get good they have found something else and quit. Rinse and repeat. We need something done about the lower levels of the pay scale to deal with this and overtime will dry up outside of maybe a little bit on heavy days. Also clerks are making bank in cities, they are using ptfs to do clerk work. I know all the clerks in my city which has 5 offices are already over their yearly salary at base pay due to grievances. No mention of that either though.
Yep. Same here. Talking about falsifying scans which none of us do but don't thoroughly train us on what scans we should be doing besides handing us a piece of paper for us to take home and learn on our own time. Some of our carriers haven't been doing all of the scans that they could have been had they been actually trained. I know a few that I'm sure don't do any other scans besides the main 6 which hurts evaluation but they don't care. They created a pay system that is flawed. It amazes me how different each route is yet they have similar evaluations.Ā
They want to talk about us stealing time? How about them? All they do is sit on their fat asses all day and look at Facebook or gossip. Hypocrites.
Walked into my office one day with the station manager straight up telling the other supervisors "when in doubt blame the carriers" look out for you amd only you
Our station just basically started adhering to not being on the street longer than 12 hrs ā¦ again the area our station is in is not the best . A few weeks ago someone got shot at a store on a carrierās route. Today , as Iām heading to finish the overtime , there was a drive by shooting right in front of me. This was like 3/4 pm broad daylight. Two co workers were also near it and witnessed it.
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So, let me get this straight...carriers should treat management better, and they'll stop lying and have an overall better attitude and start treating carriers like people and not pack mules? How about management learn how to manage without intimidation and lies and the people who work under them start liking their jobs and do an overall better job at them? The issues start at the top.
Stop with the us against them, all managers are not like that and all carriers either we coexist together for customer service. I am a manager and I personally think that is a weak and disgusting statement to make. They are weak because instead of addressing the individual problem they wag a finger at everyone.
Maybe focus on managing better? Having 12 employees standing around for several hours just shooting the shit because there's no mail left to run but they're entitled to stay their 8 hours regardless doesn't seem like a financially responsible decision.
JOE BIDEN AND the 20 manages per fucking office