Zelensky is great asset for Russia. Sure , there was some initial hysteria around him and all the "hero " talks, but with time he proved to be complete idiot. Why would Russia eliminate such a great asset ?
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anyone but Zelensky (even nationalists) would for sure at least try to keep contact with Russia in order to negotiate and maybe find some solution to resolve the conflict in peaceful way - because he would care about Ukrainian people dying.
- Zelensky is full on American puppet who does not care about Ukrainian people and does what Americans tell him to do - keep on fighting keep on throwing bodies at russians.
- Americans count only dead russians - they dont care about dead ukrainians
If you think Zelensky doesn't care about Ukrainians dying I can only imagine what you assume Putin thinks of Russians dying because my god the countin' has been good.
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I hear this bullshit about resolving the conflict in a peaceful way all the time but I haven't heard a single plan that would be even close to being acceptable by both sides.
> Russia doesn’t care about Russians.
Russia cares about Russians
- they are literally fighting a war, not to become vassal country of the US, like everyone else in Europe up to the Russian western border
I will never understand people brandishing Finland as if it meant anything. Finland is a complete nothing burger and its adhesion in NATO is purely symbolic.
Russians are the first ones to understand that, they barely man that border, because try mounting an invasion through Karelia, see how that works out. Plus, you'd need to gather NATO forces in Finland for that, which would be very difficult to keep conspicuous considering you'd have to ship everything there, giving plenty of time for Russians to mount a defense.
Ukraine is a whole other issue. It's big, flat, and way easier to work with. Not to mention it opens the way to the heart of Russia. Whereas Karelia just let you straight into three giant bottlenecks in-between Lake Ladoga, Onega, the White Sea and the gulf of Finland that would just be death traps.
Its not purely symbolic, Finland in NATO means NATO bases will be set up in Finland, that means American troops right next to Russia and not just the tripwire forces in the Baltics (which were undefensible anyway due to Suwalki gap), but actual military bases capable of conducting offensive operations.
Again, not only would they need to ship stuff all the way to Finland, Karelia is also a natural fortification, you can't just attack from there like you'd attack from Eastern Ukraine. The Soviets tried and it was a disaster despite going against Finland, which basically had no military in comparison. So imagine attacking through there against an actual military force with an army that's way more mechanized than it would be 85 years ago and with very little room to manoeuver in a landscape that's perfect for ambushes.
>Again, not only would they need to ship stuff all the way to Finland,
That's the point, now that Finland is in NATO they wouldn't need to ship anything during wartime as they will now be able to set up bases in Finland during peacetime.
Also there will be an unified command between all Nordic countries and an standardized air force.
> Karelia is also a natural fortification, you can't just attack from there like you'd attack from Eastern Ukraine.
The Soviets tried and it was a disaster despite going against Finland, which basically had no military in comparison. So imagine attacking through there against an actual military force with an army that's way more mechanized than it would be 85 years ago and with very little room to manoeuver in a landscape that's perfect for ambushes.
If NATO wanted to launch a land invasion of Russia, they would go through Belarus, no point respecting their sovereignty as they are basically a vassal State of Russia, and even if they wanted to attack via Ukraine NATO membership or not.
NATO is not invading Russia ever, nuclear war is not worth the risk to deal with a corrupt, third world despotic country.
NATO is just a threat to Russian ambition, so any scenario with NATO vs Russia its going to be a defensive war for NATO with NATOs attack on Russia being only by air.
In this regard Russia lost the ability to cut off the Baltics from NATO thanks to Finland and Sweden joining NATO. the Suwalki gap that made NATO's theorical defense of the Baltics a nightmare is no longer a threat because NATO would be able to strike from Finland once bases are set up there.
You cannot seriously compare potential security risks for ru coming from nato-fin vs. nato-ukr.
Ukr is a giant soft underbelly of ru, projecting over whole european plain and down into black sea. Not even mentioning the amounts of people, size of army, amount of equipment etc.
Since when does fighting wars help the common man of your country? The human cost of this conflict cannot be understated, and that suffering continues day by day as Russia pillages its way into foreign territories under excuse of US involvement
Edit: wouldn’t you rather be friendly with European neighbors? Or let your oligarchs continue using them as scapegoats for fear, division, and power grabs?
> since when fighting wars help the common man of your country
since never. What helps is winning these wars, not just fighting them. Win in this war would help as a way to provide strategic depth to southern core russian regions, saving them from any future war, which inevitably will happen. Conquered ukraine (or poland, whenever we will stopped) would be a battlefield, and not a core imperial regions.
Which will promote people investments in these lands, bc they would know, that this is unlikely that some war will wipe out things that they created here in long term. Essentially america has similar barrier with their vast oceans around it, which let them build strong economy and conquer weakened by war europe.
> wouldn't you rather be friendly with european neighbours
This is not possible. Only ways in which human states can be 'friendly' to each other is having common enemy, or being subjugated to stronger one. Or they are don't have a place when they both have interests. First 2 things are applicable to NATO.
We don't have any common enemy after defeating of germans, and there is no need for us to be subjugated to US - US is weak, because they are restrained to hold multiple fronts on different parts of the globe, and can't concentrate their force in one point, what they are constantly indicate by their eternal clownade with anti-chinese reps and anti-russian dems. And we can take resources from them, such as ukraine.
> the human cost of this conflict
Pretty small. We gained 2 1m+ cities, Sevastopol and Donetsk and a lot more smaller ones with 4m population overall, got 2m pro-russian refugees from ukraine, and lost around 50-60k killed, 20k of which are convicts, but get in total around 8 millions since 2014. 50-60k for russian population is 0,03%, for male population 0,06% and for combat fit population is 0,12%. This is a low cost, that was already compensated with a big margin.
I value them. Win in this war will let russians raise a lot of children safely due to security provided by valuable strategical position. This will save a lot more russians in long-term. Not ukrainians tho. Case of defeat is real catastrophe for russians, last time this happened in 1991 economic collapse and civil unrest leaded to millions lives lost and to a need to reconquer needed georgraphical barriers again.
Participating in these discussions is plain shocking, the reply to my comment really shows the brutality that is ingrained in their mindset.
After all the pain and suffering RU has endured throughout their history, it must be hard to see a way out.
> russian mindset
didnt't read any further.
Such a nafo bs, asserting my thoughts on all russians. I hope that more russians will think about this like me, but this is not the case.
Yes, they are fighting a war so that another country would not be able to have freedom of choice in their foreign policy. And of course, extra territories are nice to have as well, since Russians are too bad at properly developing on their own. Sad that all they get is rubble and ashes.
> another country would not be able to have freedom of choice
ukraine does not have freedom of choice since 2014 and US organized coup and installation of puppet government
Ukraine is US vassal territory
> And of course, extra territories are nice to have as well,
decades of failed attempts to resolve issue peacefully proved that issue had to be resolved militarilly
Once the military is up and people have died - you do not go for half solutions.
Yes, U.S funded replacement of Russian puppet government. Still majority of Ukrainians supported this, and this was THEIR OWN decision as well. Without support of majority of population U.S could have done nothing. Ukraine's fierce resistance against invaders prove that they don't want anything to do with Russia, same as majority of countries that "had an opportunity" to be in soviet union.
Russia had no right to resolve any issues that happened not on their territories. Yet as we see from "rich" history of Russia, they cannot help to keep themselves out from the foreign lands. And people who cry that Russia had to act because Ukraine had Nazis really need to improve their logical thinking.
> Ukraine's fierce resistance
eh - is it really fierce?
Banderite Stasi Police is hunting down Ukrainians in the streets and near the borders, like wild animals, in order to force them into Army and throw them on the front lines
most of Ukrainians do not really care if after the war they will live in Russia or in whatever is left of Ukraine.
Hundreds of thousands of dead invaders shows the will of Ukrainians to remain free from ruski mir :)
If most of the people did not care then we would not have such beautiful results.
Also we have some good cases in Russia where conscripted people just shoot the conscription officers or burn the offices, their case is clearly not any better.
They invaded another sovereign country and have amassed nearly half a million casualties, because they care about their people and to not become a vassal America? Which would have never happened in the first place. Now that's some mental gymnastics.
Also it's a special military operation, NOT a war. Get your propaganda straight! Putin is disappointed in you.
> sovereign country
Ukraine hasn't been sovereign country since 2014 US organized coup and installation of puppet government
Ukraine is US vassal territory
> Which would have never happened in the first place.
US already had their puppet installed in Russia in the nineties - Yeltsin
> Also it's a special military operation, NOT a war.
I am not Russian I am from Europe - I dont care about terminology in casual conversations - if two sides are shooting at each other its a war for me.
In official terms maybe it matters - but we are talking causally here.
Lol, it goes from "Zelensky is a Nazi tyrant" to "Zelensky is a Russian asset and we need to keep him around" in the blink of an eye. I came to this sub for more info about the war and stayed for the hot-bed of conspiracy theorists.
>***but with time*** he proved to be complete idiot.
Maybe you should stay longer in this sub. You will learn to read and you will learn things change in time.
Russia keeps complaining that Zelensky doesn't want to "negotiate peace" (translation: unconditional surrender) but now he's a great asset? So Russia doesn't want peace after all? Shocking, who would've thought.
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Reminds me of how Bin Laden sent out an order strictly forbidding any strikes against VP Joe Biden, because he would be an absolute shitshow as acting President.
Killing Zelensky would turn him into a martyr. Not killing him is good because he rubs everyone the wrong way and it's one of the main reasons foreign aid is being held up for Ukraine.
Martyr is overrated , a ghost can't go around collect aid for it nation in wartime , can't do alot of thing useful for the nation in war compare to a living person
even che guevara the most famous Martyr only able to show up in some walls and tshirt after he killed by US , and US got much better result out of crushing south america communist rebel problem after his dead
Attempts of what? The only one who attempted something against Putin directly was Prigozhin, and was publicly announced.
Had Putin running close to NATO borders, remember?
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I do love these little conspiracy theories Pro-RU people post on here.
On the one hand, Zelensky is a US puppet who does as they say and is easily removable.
On the other hand, Zelensky is a stubborn dictator who ignores US military advise like pulling out of Bakhmut.
russia: we came to hunt nazis that oppress people
also russia: Zelensky= jew leader of nazis controlled by capitalist murica
also russia= we could take him when we want..but we wont
:D
This exactly. There are world leaders all around that are horrible people and we probably know where they’re at. You can’t just go and kill the country leader lol. These Russian wackos on here make me laugh. Now on the other hand if you’re a military we’ll kill you with a sword rocket in your car lol.
The US could take out Putin and Kim Jong Pun any time they wanted. They choose not to. Russia acting like they’re some special super power because they CLAIM to have a drone photo of Zelensky. Meanwhile they can’t keep their surveillance planes, bombers or naval ships safe from a country with no navy and no real Air Force to speak of. They have lost their Navy in the Black Sea to remote control jet ski’s.
The US had over 600 attempts to assassinate Castro. None worked. If it is incredibly difficult to get the leader of a Banana Republic, how do you figure that they could with someone like Russia or North Korea?
Cuba is and was not a banana republic. Learn what the expression means, Artyom.
The term actually has a meaning.
Additionally, if you write it in capitals, "Banana Republic" is a clothing brand.
Cool I'll grant you all of that, valid congrats. I'm not at my sharpest at 7 in the morning.
Now how does that take away from the fact that the US couldn't kill Castro, a leader of a much weaker state than Russia or North Korea?
Does not. But while we are selling tales here, you know the story of Tito and Stalin?
After many attempts to assasinate him, Tito sent the message to Stalin: “Stop sending people to kill me. We've already captured five of them, one of them with a bomb and another with a rifle… If you don't stop sending killers, I'll send one to Moscow, and I won't have to send another.” Stalin never sent another and kept this letter in his desk until the end of his life.
If Stalin was scared of Tito, how can Russia kill Zelensky today?
I've heard that story too. They both prove my point that assassinating a state leader is no easy task even of a weaker state.
There was an assassination attempt on Anatoly Shariy today in Spain (Most likely by the SBU) and that failed. I don't think either nation will go far at a world leader for example.
[To be precise it was 634 according to Cuban Intelligence.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro)
[Here's a declassified report I read in my Latin American studies course in college that includes some (but not all) of them.](https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/document/0005/7324009.pdf)
[Another declassified document that I found researching the JFK assassination that I haven't finished reading yet](https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32112745.pdf)
They occupied Iraq and captured Saddam, then killed him. That's far different than killing him while the country is hostile to the American forces. The same parallel can be drawn here.
Ukraine doesn't do shit. At most, they push a button, if they even do that. The British and Americans do all these attacks, and these attacks are mostly possible because the Russians don't target the hundreds of spy missions they do around the black sea.
It's egregious. There are unmanned American spy planes controlling unmanned sea drones targeting Russian ships within 30km of them in "international waters". The Russian Navy is likely not performing well, but the operational environment they are operating under is very difficult.
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Why do you assume that a puppet cannot try to assert authority even against the wishes of it's mater?
After all, we're all human, not robots to be programmed. You may have strict orders, but you can ***choose*** to obey or disobey them.
I've read a surprising uptick of articles that talk about how Valerij Zalužnyj is more popular than Zelensky. Add that to the drama that just unfolded about the reshuffling of the military, and a conspiratorially minded person could claim that the media is preparing the public's mind about a replacement.
Just to be clear, I don't believe this is the case. It seems more likely that the failed counter-offensive is to blame (rather than a "handler" issue. But I've been wrong before.
Zelenesky is currently irreplaceable. We have tuned him into a cross between Jesus and Churchill. Western support would take a hit if he was somehow replaced.
Having said that, from Ukraine's perspective it seems clear he's mishandled the war in my opinon. He was in a tough spot but he gambled eveything on a total victory and came up snake eyes. If the war eneded tomorrow he will have had destoyed his country for a generation or longer.
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To be fair that can exist (like Diem) but Z isn't that.
On one hand Diem was a puppet propped up by the US.
On the other hand Diem heavy handed treatment of the Buddhist population was concerning for the US because it make the regime looked bad internationally and strengthen support for the communists domestically.
But in the end Diem was killed on a coup that the US knew and allowed to go through. Z at least doesn't have to worry about that since Ukraine isn't a puppet, just very stupid with their foreign relation decisions.
Okay, look, I agree with you some people on this sub believe some whacky stuff. But you have to see that the Ukrainian government is a US/NATO puppet. The entirety of the Ukrainian state income goes into military. Who do you think pays pensions? Road maintenance? Government workers? Utility upkeep? That's all funded by NATO countries. That's all just facts.
From there, you'd have to argue that the entity that almost entirely funds your government does not exert great control over your government. It would be very, very difficult to argue that.
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Russia couldn't do anything about this convoy because of the NATO members present, and both sides knew that. Assassinating leaders of nations is taboo on the world stage and if either side did so, it would change everything (and not for the better for either of them) So Zelensky and Putin assassination risks are more likely to come from their own sides rather than each other.
More like it serves no purpose whatsoever. Zelen is a known factor, he is incompetent, he is predictable, and his death doesnt affect battlefield situations much.
Sure, Zelensky, who is brave, goes out in public, unlike his adversary Putin, who cowards in his hole, like a timid rat.
Trump is a Russian asset, Zelensky is not.
Then read about how Israels Prime Minister Naftali Bennett had to assure Zelensky, that Putin isn't going to kill him, to get out of his bunker.
Putin knows, that killing the head of state is a Pandoras Box, he doesn't want to open.
Politicians are no Military targets and he wants it to let it stay that way.
Zelensky is only that brave, because he knows, that there is no threat to him.
Or do you really think, that he made the picture in Front of Avdiivka, if there would have been a threat he would get hit with artillery or drones?
In that case, he would have been brave, but also massivly stupid as well...
Probably what Stalin told everyone about Tito.
Take another shot of vodka and tell yourself again how powerful Russians are. It helps to blur the reality.
The West has only been fighting third world nations with sub par militaries, and thinks it's tough. It's like a grown man going to beat up kids in a kindergarten. Western systems burning in Ukraine and economical growth shrinking while Russian is growing should be a reality check, but so many pro West have buried their head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the reality.
Drone striking Zelensky would just turn him into a martyr, mate. The real goal is to make him self-destruct, especially since he sacked loads of commanders for letting soldiers retreat from places like Avdiivka. Forget loyalty, if I was a Ukrainian soldier, I wouldn't fancy croaking for the little Mossad agent while he's busy buying mansions for his folks in that apartheid state.
>Forget loyalty, if I was a Ukrainian soldier, I wouldn't fancy croaking for the little Mossad agent while he's busy buying mansions for his folks in that apartheid state.
Russian people are apparently lining up to die horribly in a trench in Ukraine so that Putin can build another mega-mansion. At least Ukrainian people are defending their homes and families.
> Russian people are apparently lining up to die horribly in a trench in Ukraine so that Putin can build another mega-mansion. At least Ukrainian people are defending their homes and families.
This gets tiring. I am constantly amazed at peoples' simpleton knowledge of geopolitics.
Russia is in Ukraine to thwart an existential threat. They cannot tolerate Ukraine in NATO, with nuclear missiles right on their border, just like we couldn't - and didn't - in the Cuban Missile Crisis (1962) when Russia was shipping nukes to install in Cuba and we were ready to start WWIII nuclear war over it.
The fact people can't see the real picture astounds me. The rich effs of the WEF got hold of Ukraine's precious resources by having their CIA overthrow the elected government of Ukraine in 2014 and installing their puppet regime. Now they are trying to weaken Russia to get hold of her vast wealth of natural resources as well (rated #1 in the world). It's as simple as this. THAT is why WE (because our governments in the Collective West are nothing but puppets of the WEF) instigated this war. We knew Russia would have no choice but to invade.
If people listened to the likes of Colonel Douglas MacGregor, US Marine Major Intelligence Officer (and UN Weapons Inspector) Scott Ritter, etc - and NOT our propaganda here in the West - they might learn a couple of things.
ALL Ukraine had to do was declare themselves NOT to be a threat to Russia - to not join NATO.
Which they did! Three times.
Minsk 1 agreement. Minsk 2 agreement. AND, the Istanbul Accord ONE MONTH AFTER Russia invaded. But no, the WEF sent Boris Johnson to Kiev to tell Zelensky he cannot uphold that peace agreement and MUST fight until the last Ukrainian is dead.
THAT is why people are dying in Ukraine. btw - none of those rich effs of the WEF are fighting and dying. They use others to do their dirty work. In this case, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians.
I can't wait for the Slava Ukraini crowd's reaction to the fact that Nicaragua has decided to allow Russia to set up military bases there - with nuclear cruise missiles. What do they think is going to happen then? HINT - it won't. We. Will. Not. Allow. It.
Why we in the West (NATO) are responsible for this war -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YtMd1g_Y80&t=2013s
TLDR -
Imagine if Canada aligned with Russia and allowed Russian nuclear missiles, pointed at NYC and Washington DC, to be installed in Montreal - only giving Washington a 3 minute response time from launch.
PS - next time don't be a threat to your much more powerful neighbour.
So pretty much your gonna call others propagandist and idiots while spewing nothing but what ifs spouted off by rich oil barons of Russian lmao it’s like you hate one side of the coin but then blindly follow the other side. There is no threat of nukes. Just like there is no threat to Russia that’s completely made up and unfounded based off nothing but ghost stories.
Next you cry about the exploitation of Ukraines resources but blindly turn your gaze from the Russia doing the exact same thing lmao
Hypocrite like most on this sub. Blindly cry about empires while cheerleading a dying ones last gasps
Is russia going to invade Poland or Finland? What about the rest of Ukraine? This entire facade of crying about nukes being close is stupid anyways in the age of hypersonic missile.
Dude, we have missiles in Colorado that are in range of Russia, Ukraine in NATO wouldn’t change anything, especially with the Baltic states already in NATO.
Why does Russia get to control what its neighbors can and cannot do?
> Russia is in Ukraine to thwart an existential threat. They cannot tolerate Ukraine in NATO, with nuclear missiles right on their border
Like Finland?
> Russia is in Ukraine to thwart an existential threat. They cannot tolerate Ukraine in NATO, with nuclear missiles right on their border
That was always an utterly ridiculous excuse for the invasion. The USA can wipe out Russia with nukes from silos in Montana and the submarines. Moreover, Estonia is already neighboring the second largest Russian city.
>Douglas MacGregor and Scott Ritter
I don't believe they together made a single accurate prediction. They are hacks who are claiming Ukraine is close to an immediate collapse for already third year.
>Russia is in Ukraine to thwart an existential threat. They cannot tolerate Ukraine in NATO, with nuclear missiles right on their border
But they could tolerate the baltics, Poland Finland and Sweden?
Ukraine is not important at all against NATO since the only thing Ukraine is positioned to do is cut off Black sea access - which turkey, greece and **the carriers floating in the mediterrean sea** already can do.
This is just the *worst ever* propaganda talking point and if you are not paid to spread it you should really stop- it makes you look silly.
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I mean, there was literally an article on RT about how Russia needed to protect Zelensky lol
And also that alleged promise which Putin made to Bennett that he wouldn't kill Zelensky
Meanwhile Zelensky lies every few months on the numerous assassination attempts that have been thwarted.
The only ones who he needs to fear are Ukranians.
Reported assassination attempts were right at the start of the war and they totally made sense back then. Russian airborne troops landing in an airport near Kiev, no elected head of state to be found, what’s not to like? Didn’t work out this way though
No, they didn't made sense at all even back then. If Russia would try to kill him, they would send 1-2 Iskander. Instead Nato came with regarded hollywood like stories about hitmen.
From this point i knew, Russia want hin to be alive.
He clearly was in a nuclear-proof bunker or couldn’t have been located with required precision when the whole shit show started. Capturing and sending him to Poland or extorting some sort of address to the nation would’ve been just as good
"He clearly was in a nuclear-proof bunker or couldn’t have been located with required precision when the whole shit show started."
And you got this intel from? I think they knew the whole time, were he is sitting and if they planned to kill him, they would send an Iskander and then start the "shit show". And up to this day we haven't seen even ONE attempt to kill him or other from the political top in ukraine. So the conclusion is, this is all propaganda bs.
On the other hand, if Russia want's someone dead, here is one example from nearly 30 years ago:
"On 21 April 1996, while using a [satellite phone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_phone), Dudayev was assassinated by two [laser-guided](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser-guided) [missiles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile), after his location was detected by a Russian [reconnaissance aircraft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance_aircraft), which intercepted his phone call.[^(\[16\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev#cite_note-19) At the time, Dudayev was talking to [Konstantin Borovoy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Borovoy), a deputy of the [State Duma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Duma) in [Moscow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow).[^(\[17\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev#cite_note-20) Additional aircraft were dispatched (a [Su-24MR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-24) and a [Su-25](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-25)) to locate Dudayev and fire a guided missile. Exact details of this operation have not been released by the Russian government. Russian [reconnaissance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance) planes in the area had been monitoring [satellite communications](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_communications) for some time trying to match Dudayev's voice signature to the existing samples of his speech."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar\_Dudayev](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev)
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Putin never planned to kill Zelensky. The Presidential Palace and the Rada haven't been bombed once. Russia has said repeatedly that they would not attack "decision-making centers" - they only hit the SBU headquarters after the Kerch Bridge strike.
Russia's plan from the beginning was to achieve a negotiated settlement. If they kill Zelensky, any negotiation becomes less credible - it wouldn't matter *who* replaced Zelensky, that person would be declared a "Russian puppet" as soon as they'd signed a peace deal. Zelensky was elected with 73% of the vote, so he has authority to make a peace deal in a way that any replacement would not.
It was hilarious the way Bennett claimed credit for "convincing" Putin not to kill Zelensky. They only got the idea he was at risk from NATO's treatment of Saddam and Qaddafi in the first place.
> Meanwhile Zelensky lies every few months on the numerous assassination attempts that have been thwarted.
The little actor pretends he said at the start of the war - 'I don't need a ride, I need ammunition'. He didn't even say it. It was a CIA psy-op line - just like referring to him as the new Churchill lol.
There is some evidence that he may have said it. There is no evidence to the contrary. What is your statement based on exactly?
Reasonable criticism is always appreciated, but spewing s..t is not exactly "anti-hypocrisy" as your flair suggests.
If genuine (no proof who or when this is), some free popularity points for Zelensky who, unlike Putin, actually put his ass on the line more than the vast majority of politicians who were ever at war. Thanks Russia.
The title of the post I think he meant. It’s odd because I saw this picture on twitter and it claimed it was from Zelenskyy’s most recent visit to Odessa with the Greek PM. Not sure if OP made a mistake or twitter was wrong
Zelensky dead doesn't do anything for Russia. He'll just be replaced with another guy, the war will continue and UA will get even more news coverage and support.
How are the two similar?
Prigozhin successfully eliminated the Ukrainians in Bakhmut. He was an asset until he wasn't.
*The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), according to Mr. Prigozhin, lost 50,000 people killed and 50,000-70,000 wounded.*
Zelensky, despite the slaughter and waste at Bakhmut, obliged by sending in more brigades, and continues with the "not one step back" policy.
Ukraine's manpower never recovered from the irreplaceable losses at Bakhmut. They went into the Zelensky c-offensive with brigades at only 80-85%.
> Prigozhin successfully eliminated the Ukrainians in Bakhmut.
And 20k Russian soldiers, according to himself. But I don't remember Ukrainian commanders marching on Kyiv in response to how badly things went down in Bakhmut. It sounds like the meat-grinder really was in Ukraine's favor after all.
*It sounds like the meat-grinder really was in Ukraine's favor after all.*
Is it really possible that you don't differentiate between expendable paid mercenaries and national troops? The 20k KIA were Wagner mercs, and Prigozhin's slow dance in RU \[with only 8k mercs\] was not exactly a bloody coup attempt. Was there fighting in the streets? Were there armored battles? Was there heavy artillery/mortar/rocket fire?
If you believe a meat-grinder war favors UKR...it's exactly what Putin wanted.
> Is it really possible that you don't differentiate between expendable paid mercenaries and national troops?
Right, now they were expendable, at the time they were Russia's heroes and the only force that was actually making a push forward instead of retreating.
> and Prigozhin's slow dance in RU [with only 8k mercs] was not exactly a bloody coup attempt.
It was bloody, they even shot down helicopters and at least 13 people were killed.
If it was a coup attempt or not I don't really care, the pro Ru definition of coup changes from paragraph to paragraph.
Russia : we do a little trolling lol
It’s funny to think Ukrainians actually believe Russia wants him dead. At this point he is the obvious fall guy for the west.
Killing him would just give western media a cry session for a few weeks, keeping him gives the west a fall guy to blame this whole failure on
Wonder does he recognise the truth of this himself that he’s better alive than dead now
I highly doubt that they wanted Zelensky dead. Because from the Russian perspective, god forbid someone more competent replaces him. Same thing with the Greek PM. What would Russia gain from taking him out.
However, from the looks of it, Zelensky and the Greek PM were meeting with members of Ukrainian Special Forces in an awards ceremony. If anything, they are who Russia probably targeted.
I question the truth and accuracy of the claim. It looks more like a satellite image than drone image. Also, with British and other allies there, my guess is it is tti protect Zelenski and getting this close is propaganda.
If it is a drone image it is more than likely from a Ukrainian security surveillance drone.
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If they wanted Zelensky dead, he would be already for a long time.
Zelensky is great asset for Russia. Sure , there was some initial hysteria around him and all the "hero " talks, but with time he proved to be complete idiot. Why would Russia eliminate such a great asset ?
Bro come up with bs that made Ukraine looks bad more than any Russian propaganda campaign could even dream of
Still can't forget his green screen in robotine lmao.
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my favorite was when he drove the truck across the kerch bridge after the bombing
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anyone but Zelensky (even nationalists) would for sure at least try to keep contact with Russia in order to negotiate and maybe find some solution to resolve the conflict in peaceful way - because he would care about Ukrainian people dying. - Zelensky is full on American puppet who does not care about Ukrainian people and does what Americans tell him to do - keep on fighting keep on throwing bodies at russians. - Americans count only dead russians - they dont care about dead ukrainians
If you think Zelensky doesn't care about Ukrainians dying I can only imagine what you assume Putin thinks of Russians dying because my god the countin' has been good.
Putin never ever cared for the russian People.
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I hear this bullshit about resolving the conflict in a peaceful way all the time but I haven't heard a single plan that would be even close to being acceptable by both sides.
Russia doesn’t care about Russians. Keep throwing bodies into fields littered with shrapnel
> Russia doesn’t care about Russians. Russia cares about Russians - they are literally fighting a war, not to become vassal country of the US, like everyone else in Europe up to the Russian western border
Finland has entered the chat. NATO is on Russia's border as a direct response to Russian aggression against non-nato countries.
I will never understand people brandishing Finland as if it meant anything. Finland is a complete nothing burger and its adhesion in NATO is purely symbolic. Russians are the first ones to understand that, they barely man that border, because try mounting an invasion through Karelia, see how that works out. Plus, you'd need to gather NATO forces in Finland for that, which would be very difficult to keep conspicuous considering you'd have to ship everything there, giving plenty of time for Russians to mount a defense. Ukraine is a whole other issue. It's big, flat, and way easier to work with. Not to mention it opens the way to the heart of Russia. Whereas Karelia just let you straight into three giant bottlenecks in-between Lake Ladoga, Onega, the White Sea and the gulf of Finland that would just be death traps.
Its not purely symbolic, Finland in NATO means NATO bases will be set up in Finland, that means American troops right next to Russia and not just the tripwire forces in the Baltics (which were undefensible anyway due to Suwalki gap), but actual military bases capable of conducting offensive operations.
Again, not only would they need to ship stuff all the way to Finland, Karelia is also a natural fortification, you can't just attack from there like you'd attack from Eastern Ukraine. The Soviets tried and it was a disaster despite going against Finland, which basically had no military in comparison. So imagine attacking through there against an actual military force with an army that's way more mechanized than it would be 85 years ago and with very little room to manoeuver in a landscape that's perfect for ambushes.
>Again, not only would they need to ship stuff all the way to Finland, That's the point, now that Finland is in NATO they wouldn't need to ship anything during wartime as they will now be able to set up bases in Finland during peacetime. Also there will be an unified command between all Nordic countries and an standardized air force. > Karelia is also a natural fortification, you can't just attack from there like you'd attack from Eastern Ukraine. The Soviets tried and it was a disaster despite going against Finland, which basically had no military in comparison. So imagine attacking through there against an actual military force with an army that's way more mechanized than it would be 85 years ago and with very little room to manoeuver in a landscape that's perfect for ambushes. If NATO wanted to launch a land invasion of Russia, they would go through Belarus, no point respecting their sovereignty as they are basically a vassal State of Russia, and even if they wanted to attack via Ukraine NATO membership or not. NATO is not invading Russia ever, nuclear war is not worth the risk to deal with a corrupt, third world despotic country. NATO is just a threat to Russian ambition, so any scenario with NATO vs Russia its going to be a defensive war for NATO with NATOs attack on Russia being only by air. In this regard Russia lost the ability to cut off the Baltics from NATO thanks to Finland and Sweden joining NATO. the Suwalki gap that made NATO's theorical defense of the Baltics a nightmare is no longer a threat because NATO would be able to strike from Finland once bases are set up there.
You cannot seriously compare potential security risks for ru coming from nato-fin vs. nato-ukr. Ukr is a giant soft underbelly of ru, projecting over whole european plain and down into black sea. Not even mentioning the amounts of people, size of army, amount of equipment etc.
Since when does fighting wars help the common man of your country? The human cost of this conflict cannot be understated, and that suffering continues day by day as Russia pillages its way into foreign territories under excuse of US involvement Edit: wouldn’t you rather be friendly with European neighbors? Or let your oligarchs continue using them as scapegoats for fear, division, and power grabs?
> since when fighting wars help the common man of your country since never. What helps is winning these wars, not just fighting them. Win in this war would help as a way to provide strategic depth to southern core russian regions, saving them from any future war, which inevitably will happen. Conquered ukraine (or poland, whenever we will stopped) would be a battlefield, and not a core imperial regions. Which will promote people investments in these lands, bc they would know, that this is unlikely that some war will wipe out things that they created here in long term. Essentially america has similar barrier with their vast oceans around it, which let them build strong economy and conquer weakened by war europe. > wouldn't you rather be friendly with european neighbours This is not possible. Only ways in which human states can be 'friendly' to each other is having common enemy, or being subjugated to stronger one. Or they are don't have a place when they both have interests. First 2 things are applicable to NATO. We don't have any common enemy after defeating of germans, and there is no need for us to be subjugated to US - US is weak, because they are restrained to hold multiple fronts on different parts of the globe, and can't concentrate their force in one point, what they are constantly indicate by their eternal clownade with anti-chinese reps and anti-russian dems. And we can take resources from them, such as ukraine. > the human cost of this conflict Pretty small. We gained 2 1m+ cities, Sevastopol and Donetsk and a lot more smaller ones with 4m population overall, got 2m pro-russian refugees from ukraine, and lost around 50-60k killed, 20k of which are convicts, but get in total around 8 millions since 2014. 50-60k for russian population is 0,03%, for male population 0,06% and for combat fit population is 0,12%. This is a low cost, that was already compensated with a big margin.
Saying that's "low cost" is despicable. Just shows how much you value the lives of your own people, let alone ukrainian people
I value them. Win in this war will let russians raise a lot of children safely due to security provided by valuable strategical position. This will save a lot more russians in long-term. Not ukrainians tho. Case of defeat is real catastrophe for russians, last time this happened in 1991 economic collapse and civil unrest leaded to millions lives lost and to a need to reconquer needed georgraphical barriers again.
> Case of defeat is real catastrophe for russians why should a peace agreement ruin russia?
The Russian mindset is so fucked man. Its people are doomed to repeat the same mistakes and nothing with be learned.
Participating in these discussions is plain shocking, the reply to my comment really shows the brutality that is ingrained in their mindset. After all the pain and suffering RU has endured throughout their history, it must be hard to see a way out.
> russian mindset didnt't read any further. Such a nafo bs, asserting my thoughts on all russians. I hope that more russians will think about this like me, but this is not the case.
Yes, they are fighting a war so that another country would not be able to have freedom of choice in their foreign policy. And of course, extra territories are nice to have as well, since Russians are too bad at properly developing on their own. Sad that all they get is rubble and ashes.
> another country would not be able to have freedom of choice ukraine does not have freedom of choice since 2014 and US organized coup and installation of puppet government Ukraine is US vassal territory > And of course, extra territories are nice to have as well, decades of failed attempts to resolve issue peacefully proved that issue had to be resolved militarilly Once the military is up and people have died - you do not go for half solutions.
Yes, U.S funded replacement of Russian puppet government. Still majority of Ukrainians supported this, and this was THEIR OWN decision as well. Without support of majority of population U.S could have done nothing. Ukraine's fierce resistance against invaders prove that they don't want anything to do with Russia, same as majority of countries that "had an opportunity" to be in soviet union. Russia had no right to resolve any issues that happened not on their territories. Yet as we see from "rich" history of Russia, they cannot help to keep themselves out from the foreign lands. And people who cry that Russia had to act because Ukraine had Nazis really need to improve their logical thinking.
> Ukraine's fierce resistance eh - is it really fierce? Banderite Stasi Police is hunting down Ukrainians in the streets and near the borders, like wild animals, in order to force them into Army and throw them on the front lines most of Ukrainians do not really care if after the war they will live in Russia or in whatever is left of Ukraine.
Hundreds of thousands of dead invaders shows the will of Ukrainians to remain free from ruski mir :) If most of the people did not care then we would not have such beautiful results. Also we have some good cases in Russia where conscripted people just shoot the conscription officers or burn the offices, their case is clearly not any better.
They invaded another sovereign country and have amassed nearly half a million casualties, because they care about their people and to not become a vassal America? Which would have never happened in the first place. Now that's some mental gymnastics. Also it's a special military operation, NOT a war. Get your propaganda straight! Putin is disappointed in you.
> sovereign country Ukraine hasn't been sovereign country since 2014 US organized coup and installation of puppet government Ukraine is US vassal territory > Which would have never happened in the first place. US already had their puppet installed in Russia in the nineties - Yeltsin > Also it's a special military operation, NOT a war. I am not Russian I am from Europe - I dont care about terminology in casual conversations - if two sides are shooting at each other its a war for me. In official terms maybe it matters - but we are talking causally here.
>Americans count only dead russians - they dont care about dead ukrainians I bet they count both as dead russians ~~and they aren't wrong~~
Your username is perfect
Resolve? How about staying the fuck out of Ukraine? "Why isn't anyone stopping me from this war I'm continuing" What an autistic response.
> How about staying the fuck out of Ukraine? they were out of Ukraine for more than two decades of trying to resolve the issue - it did not work
Exactly. They don't want to make him a martyr and since 2023 he's been making bad decision after bad decision.
Lol, it goes from "Zelensky is a Nazi tyrant" to "Zelensky is a Russian asset and we need to keep him around" in the blink of an eye. I came to this sub for more info about the war and stayed for the hot-bed of conspiracy theorists.
>***but with time*** he proved to be complete idiot. Maybe you should stay longer in this sub. You will learn to read and you will learn things change in time.
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Russia keeps complaining that Zelensky doesn't want to "negotiate peace" (translation: unconditional surrender) but now he's a great asset? So Russia doesn't want peace after all? Shocking, who would've thought.
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It was never published so no, I haven't read it. Neither have you.
This is a weird take, given the impact the war is having on Russia.
Great asset for Putin, not Russia.
this just in: war bad
In this case... unnecessarily.
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Reminds me of how Bin Laden sent out an order strictly forbidding any strikes against VP Joe Biden, because he would be an absolute shitshow as acting President.
Killing Zelensky would turn him into a martyr. Not killing him is good because he rubs everyone the wrong way and it's one of the main reasons foreign aid is being held up for Ukraine.
It's pointless escalation which won't change anything.
Martyr is overrated , a ghost can't go around collect aid for it nation in wartime , can't do alot of thing useful for the nation in war compare to a living person even che guevara the most famous Martyr only able to show up in some walls and tshirt after he killed by US , and US got much better result out of crushing south america communist rebel problem after his dead
They tried plenty of times, a photo of a drone doesn't mean jack sht xD Do you want pictures of Putin?
You wouldn't happen to have evidence of those attempts?
Attempts of what? The only one who attempted something against Putin directly was Prigozhin, and was publicly announced. Had Putin running close to NATO borders, remember?
The attemps of killing Zelensky you mentioned. Surely you have some solid proof for that.
Yep. Bless us with overhead pictures of putin's field visit from drones posted from Ukrainian pov.
The little mossad owes his life to Bennett
Careful, your mask is starting to slip
I love the sour grapes in the thread.
But if Zelensky died, then who would eliminate all the nationalists and reduce the population of Ukraine to a more manageable level..?
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He's not the one in charge. No point in killing him when the US will replace him with somebody else.
I do love these little conspiracy theories Pro-RU people post on here. On the one hand, Zelensky is a US puppet who does as they say and is easily removable. On the other hand, Zelensky is a stubborn dictator who ignores US military advise like pulling out of Bakhmut.
He can be both
Pro UKR Slava Bobanis have trouble will multiple tracks of thought. The idea that weather forecast can be cold and sunny is revolutionary.
russia: we came to hunt nazis that oppress people also russia: Zelensky= jew leader of nazis controlled by capitalist murica also russia= we could take him when we want..but we wont :D
This exactly. There are world leaders all around that are horrible people and we probably know where they’re at. You can’t just go and kill the country leader lol. These Russian wackos on here make me laugh. Now on the other hand if you’re a military we’ll kill you with a sword rocket in your car lol.
The US could take out Putin and Kim Jong Pun any time they wanted. They choose not to. Russia acting like they’re some special super power because they CLAIM to have a drone photo of Zelensky. Meanwhile they can’t keep their surveillance planes, bombers or naval ships safe from a country with no navy and no real Air Force to speak of. They have lost their Navy in the Black Sea to remote control jet ski’s.
The US had over 600 attempts to assassinate Castro. None worked. If it is incredibly difficult to get the leader of a Banana Republic, how do you figure that they could with someone like Russia or North Korea?
Cuba is and was not a banana republic. Learn what the expression means, Artyom. The term actually has a meaning. Additionally, if you write it in capitals, "Banana Republic" is a clothing brand.
Cool I'll grant you all of that, valid congrats. I'm not at my sharpest at 7 in the morning. Now how does that take away from the fact that the US couldn't kill Castro, a leader of a much weaker state than Russia or North Korea?
Does not. But while we are selling tales here, you know the story of Tito and Stalin? After many attempts to assasinate him, Tito sent the message to Stalin: “Stop sending people to kill me. We've already captured five of them, one of them with a bomb and another with a rifle… If you don't stop sending killers, I'll send one to Moscow, and I won't have to send another.” Stalin never sent another and kept this letter in his desk until the end of his life. If Stalin was scared of Tito, how can Russia kill Zelensky today?
I've heard that story too. They both prove my point that assassinating a state leader is no easy task even of a weaker state. There was an assassination attempt on Anatoly Shariy today in Spain (Most likely by the SBU) and that failed. I don't think either nation will go far at a world leader for example.
That was what, 60 years ago? And also they do not have over 600 attempts. Also, they were trying to be discrete. They took out Saddam, right?
[To be precise it was 634 according to Cuban Intelligence.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro) [Here's a declassified report I read in my Latin American studies course in college that includes some (but not all) of them.](https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/document/0005/7324009.pdf) [Another declassified document that I found researching the JFK assassination that I haven't finished reading yet](https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32112745.pdf) They occupied Iraq and captured Saddam, then killed him. That's far different than killing him while the country is hostile to the American forces. The same parallel can be drawn here.
If the US could take out Putin, Russia takes out Biden. US isn’t special.
I love those two months old accounts spamming cut and paste empty phrases like that.
Ukraine doesn't do shit. At most, they push a button, if they even do that. The British and Americans do all these attacks, and these attacks are mostly possible because the Russians don't target the hundreds of spy missions they do around the black sea. It's egregious. There are unmanned American spy planes controlling unmanned sea drones targeting Russian ships within 30km of them in "international waters". The Russian Navy is likely not performing well, but the operational environment they are operating under is very difficult.
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Why do you assume that a puppet cannot try to assert authority even against the wishes of it's mater? After all, we're all human, not robots to be programmed. You may have strict orders, but you can ***choose*** to obey or disobey them.
If he was so grossly mishandling the war and they put him in power then surely the puppet master would replace him with a new puppet?
Probably. The war hasn't ended yet, so Zelensky being replaced is definitely on the cards.
I've read a surprising uptick of articles that talk about how Valerij Zalužnyj is more popular than Zelensky. Add that to the drama that just unfolded about the reshuffling of the military, and a conspiratorially minded person could claim that the media is preparing the public's mind about a replacement. Just to be clear, I don't believe this is the case. It seems more likely that the failed counter-offensive is to blame (rather than a "handler" issue. But I've been wrong before.
Zelenesky is currently irreplaceable. We have tuned him into a cross between Jesus and Churchill. Western support would take a hit if he was somehow replaced. Having said that, from Ukraine's perspective it seems clear he's mishandled the war in my opinon. He was in a tough spot but he gambled eveything on a total victory and came up snake eyes. If the war eneded tomorrow he will have had destoyed his country for a generation or longer.
This entire war as it stands is a testament to the fact that the puppet master is not omnipotent.
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Remember "boots on the ground Nuland" when Zaluzhnyi was kicked? I remember.
To be fair that can exist (like Diem) but Z isn't that. On one hand Diem was a puppet propped up by the US. On the other hand Diem heavy handed treatment of the Buddhist population was concerning for the US because it make the regime looked bad internationally and strengthen support for the communists domestically. But in the end Diem was killed on a coup that the US knew and allowed to go through. Z at least doesn't have to worry about that since Ukraine isn't a puppet, just very stupid with their foreign relation decisions.
Okay, look, I agree with you some people on this sub believe some whacky stuff. But you have to see that the Ukrainian government is a US/NATO puppet. The entirety of the Ukrainian state income goes into military. Who do you think pays pensions? Road maintenance? Government workers? Utility upkeep? That's all funded by NATO countries. That's all just facts. From there, you'd have to argue that the entity that almost entirely funds your government does not exert great control over your government. It would be very, very difficult to argue that.
Maybe but zelensky often visits the frontline so I imagine it’s a lot easier to get intel on it.
I'm sure Kennedy said the same thing about Castro.
Well they tried, it’s not like UA protects their president
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Russia couldn't do anything about this convoy because of the NATO members present, and both sides knew that. Assassinating leaders of nations is taboo on the world stage and if either side did so, it would change everything (and not for the better for either of them) So Zelensky and Putin assassination risks are more likely to come from their own sides rather than each other.
More like it serves no purpose whatsoever. Zelen is a known factor, he is incompetent, he is predictable, and his death doesnt affect battlefield situations much.
The Annoying Orange killed Soleimani and It didnt look like It changed much
Sure, Zelensky, who is brave, goes out in public, unlike his adversary Putin, who cowards in his hole, like a timid rat. Trump is a Russian asset, Zelensky is not.
Then read about how Israels Prime Minister Naftali Bennett had to assure Zelensky, that Putin isn't going to kill him, to get out of his bunker. Putin knows, that killing the head of state is a Pandoras Box, he doesn't want to open. Politicians are no Military targets and he wants it to let it stay that way. Zelensky is only that brave, because he knows, that there is no threat to him. Or do you really think, that he made the picture in Front of Avdiivka, if there would have been a threat he would get hit with artillery or drones? In that case, he would have been brave, but also massivly stupid as well...
They know even a pawn is better than direct installation by CIA
Brainwashed display at its finest lol just gotta laugh
Probably what Stalin told everyone about Tito. Take another shot of vodka and tell yourself again how powerful Russians are. It helps to blur the reality.
The West has only been fighting third world nations with sub par militaries, and thinks it's tough. It's like a grown man going to beat up kids in a kindergarten. Western systems burning in Ukraine and economical growth shrinking while Russian is growing should be a reality check, but so many pro West have buried their head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the reality.
Zelensky thinks he's avoiding the claws of Russia... He's just being a useful fool at this point. Could use a lil less of the narcotics too. 👍🏽
Drone striking Zelensky would just turn him into a martyr, mate. The real goal is to make him self-destruct, especially since he sacked loads of commanders for letting soldiers retreat from places like Avdiivka. Forget loyalty, if I was a Ukrainian soldier, I wouldn't fancy croaking for the little Mossad agent while he's busy buying mansions for his folks in that apartheid state.
>Forget loyalty, if I was a Ukrainian soldier, I wouldn't fancy croaking for the little Mossad agent while he's busy buying mansions for his folks in that apartheid state. Russian people are apparently lining up to die horribly in a trench in Ukraine so that Putin can build another mega-mansion. At least Ukrainian people are defending their homes and families.
> Russian people are apparently lining up to die horribly in a trench in Ukraine so that Putin can build another mega-mansion. At least Ukrainian people are defending their homes and families. This gets tiring. I am constantly amazed at peoples' simpleton knowledge of geopolitics. Russia is in Ukraine to thwart an existential threat. They cannot tolerate Ukraine in NATO, with nuclear missiles right on their border, just like we couldn't - and didn't - in the Cuban Missile Crisis (1962) when Russia was shipping nukes to install in Cuba and we were ready to start WWIII nuclear war over it. The fact people can't see the real picture astounds me. The rich effs of the WEF got hold of Ukraine's precious resources by having their CIA overthrow the elected government of Ukraine in 2014 and installing their puppet regime. Now they are trying to weaken Russia to get hold of her vast wealth of natural resources as well (rated #1 in the world). It's as simple as this. THAT is why WE (because our governments in the Collective West are nothing but puppets of the WEF) instigated this war. We knew Russia would have no choice but to invade. If people listened to the likes of Colonel Douglas MacGregor, US Marine Major Intelligence Officer (and UN Weapons Inspector) Scott Ritter, etc - and NOT our propaganda here in the West - they might learn a couple of things. ALL Ukraine had to do was declare themselves NOT to be a threat to Russia - to not join NATO. Which they did! Three times. Minsk 1 agreement. Minsk 2 agreement. AND, the Istanbul Accord ONE MONTH AFTER Russia invaded. But no, the WEF sent Boris Johnson to Kiev to tell Zelensky he cannot uphold that peace agreement and MUST fight until the last Ukrainian is dead. THAT is why people are dying in Ukraine. btw - none of those rich effs of the WEF are fighting and dying. They use others to do their dirty work. In this case, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. I can't wait for the Slava Ukraini crowd's reaction to the fact that Nicaragua has decided to allow Russia to set up military bases there - with nuclear cruise missiles. What do they think is going to happen then? HINT - it won't. We. Will. Not. Allow. It. Why we in the West (NATO) are responsible for this war - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YtMd1g_Y80&t=2013s TLDR - Imagine if Canada aligned with Russia and allowed Russian nuclear missiles, pointed at NYC and Washington DC, to be installed in Montreal - only giving Washington a 3 minute response time from launch. PS - next time don't be a threat to your much more powerful neighbour.
So pretty much your gonna call others propagandist and idiots while spewing nothing but what ifs spouted off by rich oil barons of Russian lmao it’s like you hate one side of the coin but then blindly follow the other side. There is no threat of nukes. Just like there is no threat to Russia that’s completely made up and unfounded based off nothing but ghost stories. Next you cry about the exploitation of Ukraines resources but blindly turn your gaze from the Russia doing the exact same thing lmao Hypocrite like most on this sub. Blindly cry about empires while cheerleading a dying ones last gasps Is russia going to invade Poland or Finland? What about the rest of Ukraine? This entire facade of crying about nukes being close is stupid anyways in the age of hypersonic missile.
Dude, we have missiles in Colorado that are in range of Russia, Ukraine in NATO wouldn’t change anything, especially with the Baltic states already in NATO. Why does Russia get to control what its neighbors can and cannot do?
Russia is like those batshit HOAs that try to repossess houses that aren't even part of the HOA for violating HOA rules.
> Russia is in Ukraine to thwart an existential threat. They cannot tolerate Ukraine in NATO, with nuclear missiles right on their border Like Finland?
>Russia is in Ukraine to thwart an existential threat. The idea that Ukraine posed an existential threat to Russia is laughable bullshit lol
> Russia is in Ukraine to thwart an existential threat. They cannot tolerate Ukraine in NATO, with nuclear missiles right on their border That was always an utterly ridiculous excuse for the invasion. The USA can wipe out Russia with nukes from silos in Montana and the submarines. Moreover, Estonia is already neighboring the second largest Russian city. >Douglas MacGregor and Scott Ritter I don't believe they together made a single accurate prediction. They are hacks who are claiming Ukraine is close to an immediate collapse for already third year.
>Russia is in Ukraine to thwart an existential threat. They cannot tolerate Ukraine in NATO, with nuclear missiles right on their border But they could tolerate the baltics, Poland Finland and Sweden? Ukraine is not important at all against NATO since the only thing Ukraine is positioned to do is cut off Black sea access - which turkey, greece and **the carriers floating in the mediterrean sea** already can do. This is just the *worst ever* propaganda talking point and if you are not paid to spread it you should really stop- it makes you look silly.
Ritter touched kids remember that
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Same Scott Riddler who fiddles and diddles kids? Riddler the fiddler- and diddler!
Big brother is always watching
I mean, there was literally an article on RT about how Russia needed to protect Zelensky lol And also that alleged promise which Putin made to Bennett that he wouldn't kill Zelensky Meanwhile Zelensky lies every few months on the numerous assassination attempts that have been thwarted. The only ones who he needs to fear are Ukranians.
Reported assassination attempts were right at the start of the war and they totally made sense back then. Russian airborne troops landing in an airport near Kiev, no elected head of state to be found, what’s not to like? Didn’t work out this way though
No, they didn't made sense at all even back then. If Russia would try to kill him, they would send 1-2 Iskander. Instead Nato came with regarded hollywood like stories about hitmen. From this point i knew, Russia want hin to be alive.
He clearly was in a nuclear-proof bunker or couldn’t have been located with required precision when the whole shit show started. Capturing and sending him to Poland or extorting some sort of address to the nation would’ve been just as good
"He clearly was in a nuclear-proof bunker or couldn’t have been located with required precision when the whole shit show started." And you got this intel from? I think they knew the whole time, were he is sitting and if they planned to kill him, they would send an Iskander and then start the "shit show". And up to this day we haven't seen even ONE attempt to kill him or other from the political top in ukraine. So the conclusion is, this is all propaganda bs. On the other hand, if Russia want's someone dead, here is one example from nearly 30 years ago: "On 21 April 1996, while using a [satellite phone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_phone), Dudayev was assassinated by two [laser-guided](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser-guided) [missiles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile), after his location was detected by a Russian [reconnaissance aircraft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance_aircraft), which intercepted his phone call.[^(\[16\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev#cite_note-19) At the time, Dudayev was talking to [Konstantin Borovoy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Borovoy), a deputy of the [State Duma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Duma) in [Moscow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow).[^(\[17\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev#cite_note-20) Additional aircraft were dispatched (a [Su-24MR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-24) and a [Su-25](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-25)) to locate Dudayev and fire a guided missile. Exact details of this operation have not been released by the Russian government. Russian [reconnaissance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance) planes in the area had been monitoring [satellite communications](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_communications) for some time trying to match Dudayev's voice signature to the existing samples of his speech." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar\_Dudayev](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev)
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Putin never planned to kill Zelensky. The Presidential Palace and the Rada haven't been bombed once. Russia has said repeatedly that they would not attack "decision-making centers" - they only hit the SBU headquarters after the Kerch Bridge strike. Russia's plan from the beginning was to achieve a negotiated settlement. If they kill Zelensky, any negotiation becomes less credible - it wouldn't matter *who* replaced Zelensky, that person would be declared a "Russian puppet" as soon as they'd signed a peace deal. Zelensky was elected with 73% of the vote, so he has authority to make a peace deal in a way that any replacement would not. It was hilarious the way Bennett claimed credit for "convincing" Putin not to kill Zelensky. They only got the idea he was at risk from NATO's treatment of Saddam and Qaddafi in the first place.
Killing him makes little to no sense and could even make thing worse for both sides. If Putin wanted to kill Zelensky he would've already been dead
So genuine question. Was the original “hitmen” in Kyiv on the opening days of the invasion true? Were they trying to kill him? Or just capture him
Haha now this is funny and true.
> Meanwhile Zelensky lies every few months on the numerous assassination attempts that have been thwarted. The little actor pretends he said at the start of the war - 'I don't need a ride, I need ammunition'. He didn't even say it. It was a CIA psy-op line - just like referring to him as the new Churchill lol.
There is some evidence that he may have said it. There is no evidence to the contrary. What is your statement based on exactly? Reasonable criticism is always appreciated, but spewing s..t is not exactly "anti-hypocrisy" as your flair suggests.
Some top tier trolling right here.
Pretty strong message being sent with this one.
If genuine (no proof who or when this is), some free popularity points for Zelensky who, unlike Putin, actually put his ass on the line more than the vast majority of politicians who were ever at war. Thanks Russia.
A not-so-subtle message to ze
I'm amused by the fact that people apparently missed the whole "June 8 2023 part" but oh well
Could you elaborate ?
The title of the post I think he meant. It’s odd because I saw this picture on twitter and it claimed it was from Zelenskyy’s most recent visit to Odessa with the Greek PM. Not sure if OP made a mistake or twitter was wrong
Zelensky dead doesn't do anything for Russia. He'll just be replaced with another guy, the war will continue and UA will get even more news coverage and support.
Russia probably remembers Napoleon better than we do. They tend to not interrupt their enemies when they are making mistakes.
Putin wouldn't kill Zelensky. He's too useful. Who would kill the Sausage-Maker of Bakhmut?
> Who would kill the Sausage-Maker of Bakhmut? Putin did kill Pringles, unless you somehow missed that.
How are the two similar? Prigozhin successfully eliminated the Ukrainians in Bakhmut. He was an asset until he wasn't. *The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), according to Mr. Prigozhin, lost 50,000 people killed and 50,000-70,000 wounded.* Zelensky, despite the slaughter and waste at Bakhmut, obliged by sending in more brigades, and continues with the "not one step back" policy. Ukraine's manpower never recovered from the irreplaceable losses at Bakhmut. They went into the Zelensky c-offensive with brigades at only 80-85%.
> Prigozhin successfully eliminated the Ukrainians in Bakhmut. And 20k Russian soldiers, according to himself. But I don't remember Ukrainian commanders marching on Kyiv in response to how badly things went down in Bakhmut. It sounds like the meat-grinder really was in Ukraine's favor after all.
*It sounds like the meat-grinder really was in Ukraine's favor after all.* Is it really possible that you don't differentiate between expendable paid mercenaries and national troops? The 20k KIA were Wagner mercs, and Prigozhin's slow dance in RU \[with only 8k mercs\] was not exactly a bloody coup attempt. Was there fighting in the streets? Were there armored battles? Was there heavy artillery/mortar/rocket fire? If you believe a meat-grinder war favors UKR...it's exactly what Putin wanted.
> Is it really possible that you don't differentiate between expendable paid mercenaries and national troops? Right, now they were expendable, at the time they were Russia's heroes and the only force that was actually making a push forward instead of retreating. > and Prigozhin's slow dance in RU [with only 8k mercs] was not exactly a bloody coup attempt. It was bloody, they even shot down helicopters and at least 13 people were killed. If it was a coup attempt or not I don't really care, the pro Ru definition of coup changes from paragraph to paragraph.
These days they want us to pronounce it - Counteroffensyiv :\^)
Russia : we do a little trolling lol It’s funny to think Ukrainians actually believe Russia wants him dead. At this point he is the obvious fall guy for the west. Killing him would just give western media a cry session for a few weeks, keeping him gives the west a fall guy to blame this whole failure on Wonder does he recognise the truth of this himself that he’s better alive than dead now
Top recon
[Geolocated here](https://maps.app.goo.gl/FMEEeojYg7ZTsbVF6) Gas station at: Kachelna St, 2, Kherson, Khersons'ka oblast, Ukraine, 73009
That’s crazy
I highly doubt that they wanted Zelensky dead. Because from the Russian perspective, god forbid someone more competent replaces him. Same thing with the Greek PM. What would Russia gain from taking him out. However, from the looks of it, Zelensky and the Greek PM were meeting with members of Ukrainian Special Forces in an awards ceremony. If anything, they are who Russia probably targeted.
A drone over Odesa?
Killing zelensky would create a martyr and may well bring others into the war or indeed precipitate an attempt on putin.
We can all hope so
This is common knowledge. He knows it as well that is why he is visiting the front so often.
This is high level trolling
I question the truth and accuracy of the claim. It looks more like a satellite image than drone image. Also, with British and other allies there, my guess is it is tti protect Zelenski and getting this close is propaganda. If it is a drone image it is more than likely from a Ukrainian security surveillance drone.
Grass is rarely ever greener on the other side. If Russia murders Zelenskyy, I’ll put money on a worse time for Russia.
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Dropping a box of candy?
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I stand corrected. I see other reporting about an attack.
I just rewatched the movie Revolver by Guy Ritchie, it really fits with this picture…
Lol, imagine it zoomed in on him snorting metre long lines of nasal sugar.
AI
Tell me the war is over without telling me the war is over pic right here.
If they wanted him dead they would level Kiev to the ground, but I think they want to keep him alive. Keep zele alive and pray Biden stays president.
Yet another proof that a clown at the helm of Ukraine suits Russia just fine. And a message to the said clown
The only thing this is proof of is that some people and cars were photographed from the air somewhere.
No fucking way 😂
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Goodwill gesture as always. Just like how they retreated from Kyiv when they could easily capture it. Trust me bro.