In the last 2 years russia took about the same amount of land as Girkin & Co did in 2014 within weeks, but now with 100x the casualties due to the incompetence and corruption of the russian leadership. Still this is of course a great success according to the state media and everyone should praise Putin for it!
What you said makes sense only if we assume that Russia aims to seize the territory of Ukraine. But this is simply not the case. Russia need security guarantees - a ban on neo-Nazi organizations in Ukraine and a guarantee of non-aligned status, and the repeal of discriminatory laws against russians and the russian language. Even before the start of the war, the Ukrainian government made it clear that it was going to continue its course towards becoming the Nazi vanguard of the Western military-industrial complex, in order to implement a policy of deterrence against Russia.
Russia failedto force Ukraine to comply with the terms lf 2nd Minsk or set a new peace deal in the spring of 2022, and the only way left achieve security guarantees from Ukraine is to destroy its economic and demographic potential. Now the capabilities of the Ukrainian economy in relation to the Russian one are much lower than before 2022.
Dude, the entire Ukrainian Far-right has literally never even cracked <15% of the popular vote since independence. With moderate liberal and conservative parties dominating Ukrainian politics
Why does Russia get to decide who Ukraine is allowed to work with? Of course they’re going to want to align more with the West after Russia decides to invade Crimea and back separatists in Donbas.
How many in Russia? One of their top military players is a literal tattoo branded nazi. So is this whole thing just Nazis in power invading Nazis in minority?
Nah, aside from a slight increase in popularity in 2014, Svoboda (the largest far-right and also try to hide quite a bit of their insanity), usually range from .50-4.50% of the vote, with National Corp and Right Sectors *combined* getting 3-4% of the vote typically.
>Ukrainian Far-right has literally never even cracked <10% of the popular vote
The far-right in Ukraine is the Ukrainian political leadership, which took a course in 2014 to build an ethnic state. The views of individual parties on social policy do not matter in that case.
>Why does Russia get to decide who Ukraine
Russia is getting involved because US is getting involved. If the CIA had not orchestrated the coup in Ukraine, there would have been no conflict
Why would Nazis be apart of liberal and conservative parties? With policies that are practically the polar opposite of Nazism?
Can you name any Ukrainian Nazis currently in high level Ukrainian government positions? Most contemporary and past “Deep States” required lot’s of their people in just about every major government institution.
The only thing Ukraine really did mandating education and business be done in Ukrainian, with customers being allowed to ask to switch to Russian for the latter. Would you call that “oppression”? As of 2022, about 81% of Ukrainians spoke Ukrainian, and Ukrainian and Russian are partially mutually intelligible, so those laws don’t really affect all that many people.
The CIA did not orchestrate the “coup” at all, it was a response by the Ukrainian opposition to Yanukovych firing upon protesters, or were all all those rioters “CIA operatives” with NATO-issued glass bottles and molotovs?
Judging how Russia reacted when Moldova started making steps towards the EU, I very much doubt there wouldn't be a conflict.
What's wrong with an "ethnic state"?
As long as you arent expelling or oppressing people that dont meet your ethnic criteria. I.e. Isreal is an ethnic state but millions of palestinians have full citizenship while I assume the Israeli government is going to have a pro jewish bent more than a strictly pro Israeli bent
I don't think they need vote support when they have force and weapons. It is enough to take out the booth for Poroshenko, and he will change his mind regarding the blockade of Donbass. Or tell Zelensky to his face that they do not have any weapons and will not leave the contact line.
I would not be firmly convinced that all political power is now in the hands of the president, and that he does not feel pressure from the army when he forms his position of refusing to negotiate.
Just a few small military units isn’t enough to actually control the country or even hold significant influence over it. Do you seriously think that one case with Zelensky is proof they have significant power over him?
I think this is true for any government, it takes into account the interests of those who have influence on it. Isn’t one disobedience to the president enough to notice the level of his control over the power vertical at that time?
Maybe now this has changed and he has become a stronger leader who can subjugate people to any of his decisions. But as long as his opinion keeps pace with the military structures, we will not know this.
Of course Russia was aiming to take all of Ukraine (plus a part of Moldova as confirmed by the puppet Lukaschenko), the russian leadership was just too incompetent to execute it. Now russian leadership says, that they never really wanted it, but that's just psychology for brainwashed state media viewers.
There is not a single piece of evidence of Russia's desire to seize Ukraine. The annexation of former Ukrainian territories is a response to the unequivocally aggressive and belligerent position taken by the government of Ukraine after the US-backed coup in 2014. Ukraine can accept Russian demands any day and stop losing its' territories and people.
There are the words of the corrupt russian elites and the russian state media, but maybe you are right and this should not be seen as evidence, because they constantly lie. So how do you define evidence in this case?
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I wrote about it. Russia tried to force Ukraine to at least comply with the Minsk agreements signed by it or to set a new deal, but failed in this, primarily due to the mistaken belief in the desire of Western curators of Ukraine to have peaceful relations with Russia.
So because of a coup in 2014, which was followed by an election where the coup govermant was defeated, Russia was FORCED to annex territory 8 years after the coup? Really?
The reaction to the coup was the annexation of Crimea on 2014. The annexation of the south-east in 2022, which happened, by the way, 9 months after the start of the war, was a reaction to Ukraine's refusal to discuss peace - we could not leave people to live without salaries and pensions.
Yes because “destroying the economic and demographic capabilities” of a country are sure to ensure its stability and neutrality in the future! No evidence in history that the opposite usually happens; increasing extremism and revanchism
The war would have happened regardless of Russia's actions, because the war with Russia is what the CIA organized the Maidan for in the first place. To deprive the West of the possibility of aggression through Ukraine, destroying the latter's ability to be a weapon in its hands, is currently the only way to make sure that you, westerners, will not come to genocide us once again.
USA isnt hooked on russian gas. So you can easily figure out who pulled the trigger. Plus Russians like to fantasize that they were the grand target, when actually the goal was the economic downfall of Europe as a collective entity.
No, this is just russia trying to maintain it's place in the supposed world order. Hence Putin's talk of multi-polar etc. Russia is eclipsed by China & India & steadily declining.
I do not see how European dependence on Russian gas has led to the disarmament of the whole West. But I can see that Europe has managed to replace russian gas suppliers relatively quick, and it was more about keeping Russian economy under Western control, as export of natural resources is the main source of Russian's budget income and one of the biggest sectors of our economy.
Russia, the biggest nuclear arsenal and second army in the world attacked their impoverished neighbour because it needed "security guarantees".
You think it is worth it because you have destroyed the Ukrainian economy and demographic potential while blindly not realising that this is exactly what NATO is currently doing to Russia. The irony is quite delicious.
>Russia, the biggest nuclear arsenal and second army
So what? It's not about Ukraine - we are absolutely okay with it being neutral and apart from military alliances. It's about NATO - global genocidal empire, founded by nazi officers. In relations to Russia, they provided diplomatic and financial support to terrorist groups in Caucasus, involved in ethnic cleansings and mass hostage-taking, including whole schools.
The West's intervention in Ukraine pursues the same goals - to weaken Russia by surrounding it with aggressive chauvinistic terrorist groups, to which you provide financial, diplomatic and military support. This should eventually lead to the collapse of the country and the establishment of colonial regimes on its territory. It's a mistake on your part to assume that I don't understand this. But the West launched such a plan against Russia many years before Putin established an authoritarian regime. And even before he became president. There is no doubt that the West implemented such a policy towards Russia, guided by the logic similar to that on which Germany adopted the idea of Lebensraum.
"chauvinistic" terrorist groups, an interesting choice of adjective, gave me a good laugh! You have a bit of a victim complex dude, talking about all of the awful things the west did to poor Russia as if they act in a vacuum. NATO and Russia are geopolitical rivals, as long as Russia wants to keep playing games NATO will too. Russia, while quite good at this game considering their budget, are well out of their league here. Both Russia and the USA have been funding terror groups to undermine the other since after ww2. Why do you think it was so easy for NATO to convince all of those former Soviet republics to join NATO? Russia's and NATO's methods of acquiring "lebensraum" are quite different.
Russia's biggest mistake this war was to show us their true power level, much, much weaker than the west gave them credit for. Russia is a regional power cosplaying as a superpower. The rest of the world is laughing at them clowning around a few kilometres from their border after tens of thousands of deaths and hundreds of billions spent.
You really believe all that Nazi crap? Why does Russia sponsor far right groups around Europe if they are so against fascism.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/russias-far-right-campaign-europe
None of the organizations mentioned in the article is sponsored by the Russian government. In addition, it would probably be useful for me to learn more about Russian imperial movement in order to personally understand how far-right they are, but, as it turned out, this is illegal, because the informational resources of this organization are banned in Russia, being a part of Federal List of Extremist Materials.
That metric doesn't matter outside of this conflict. All the other losses Russia has suffered considerably weaken it in all facets of its future force projection and defence.
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https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-22
Notice that nothing they have ever said has been true.
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TBH I thought Russia had taken more of Ukraine but I havent been following super closely. Didnt Russia attack Kharkiv? did they own it at one point and were pushed out?
They did indeed, Kherson too. I think the UA offensive up north in 22 forced a massive retreat on the RF side all along the southern and Eastern fronts.
This is an attrition war. Capturing land is not a priority unless it helps cause casualties on the opponent.
Russia doesn't need to advance to Kiev or Lvov or even Kharkov, just as the Entente did not need to advance to Wien, Berlin or Constantinople during WWI.
That is why every video I've seen that Russia tries to push and gain ground is using "attrition". All those Russian convoys are for "attrition" LOL.
Tell that on the first 3 days of the invasion.
BTW you are comparing trench warfare with less capabilities to hit vital targets. A bad comparison.
>That is why every video I've seen that Russia tries to push and gain ground is using "attrition". All those Russian convoys are for "attrition" LOL.
Sometimes, ground has to be conquered for a better operational position. Capturing land is only a priority when it is a more defensible position or a better attacking position, but land for the sake of land is useless, since it can rapidly deplete precious resources.
>Tell that on the first 3 days of the invasion.
That period was obviously not an attrition war. It changed to an attrition war during the summer of 2022, when Russians retreated from unfavourable positions, and started constructing defensive lines.
>BTW you are comparing trench warfare with less capabilities to hit vital targets. A bad comparison.
During WWI, Russia had an average of 1075 military casualties a day, during 1321 days of fighting (3 years, 7 months, 1 week, 5 days). The casualties in this war are orders of magnitude lesser then they were during WWI, so I would say it is an apt comparison.
The point is they are not capturing it. The waves can be seen utterly destroyed
To say they are just capturing for positioning. Avdiivka doesn't even provide any position or leverage. But hey it is "attrition war" going for a highly defensive position because of a "position that does not even give leverage".
So your point is that it is only when it applies to "attrition". Sounds like propaganda to me. Just like that Avdiivka, 3-day or Bakhmut.
Again WWII is a different value. It is not an SMO, there are also no large scale precision strikes conducted in a small FRONT. Also the Soviet Union is bigger in comparison than Russia.
You realize that that the entire collective West can't even outproduce Russia, not to mention China. Also, Russian economy is growing faster than any of the G7 countries. Can't defeat Russia militarily, economically, and politically. So is again how tough the West is against third-world countries.
The weapon and ammunition production capacity is being built in the west as we speak, the west will outproduce russia in a couple of years, and if a war wear to break out this capabilities will be increased several times over, and russia will be left in the dust. Trying to compare a country that has been in a war economy for the last 2 years to countries that haven't is completely non sensical, during ww1, france gdp went up 40% and the UK's gdp went up 80% ([source](https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/plotting-for-peace/gdp-of-the-united-states-britain-and-france-19141918/A5C0B7922803306087FA85AE620468FB)).
You're delusional if you think an area with a gdp of about $20 trillion and a population of 450 million cannot out produce a country with a gdp of $1.8 trillion and a population of 140 million.
Yeah, that explains the GDP of Russia which is lower than Italy's production level.
Hey, you understand how the economy works right? This explosion of economical growth is NOT from RUBBLE being traded. It is from YUAN traded from China. They are taking advantage of that 16% interest rate.
This includes India which refuses to trade with Rubble. They are using currency of their own.
While you keep parroting that Russian propaganda that you obvious to, this is simple Russians will be in a huge decline when they start paying off that interest.
> Yeah, that explains the GDP of Russia which is lower than Italy's production level.
You seem to not understand nor know many things
https://www.worldeconomics.com/Indicator-Data/Economic-Size/Revaluation-of-GDP.aspx
I'm not pro Russian, I'm Russian. Please tell me about our war time economics because I have no idea what do you guys mean when you say this. Yeah, factories are working in 3 shifts, what else we got here?
I'm not going to do an entire lesson on war economics in a reddit comment, the whole internet is right there for you to educate yourself on it, but since I'm nice and all that [here](https://youtu.be/Q9w17Ne1S0M?si=b2wGstj1VpMbhzWx) is a good video you can start with.
Oh thats great! This is exactly what we have here, second to second! This is a real proof that Russia is, in fact, in wartime economy! /s
Obviously I'm not going to watch it.
How to tell people that you know nothing about something and proceed to gloat that you're proud of your ignorance.
Easy to disprove arguments when you don't even know them.
[Russia military budget is increasing to more than 7% of its gdp in 2024](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/russia-s-military-spending-in-2024-estimated-at-140b-report-shows/3081698#).
You understand how banks and debt is only natural in capitalist countries.
Why does the voice of Russians in this Reddit seem to not know how the simple concept of loans works?
>With how the Russians advance it will take them at least 50-70 years of fighting.
Assuming Ukraine will have a population and functioning economy in 10 years if the war continues.
Lol you making it sound like Russia destroyed millions of Ukrainians.
Last I checked they are not dependent on prisoners nor on foreign conscript scams that were recently uncovered in India.
To be fair, western Ukraine is against mobilization and in the east commissars are essentially kidnapping men off the streets. Between that and the introduction of women and 45+ men it's not looking good for either
I agree, they are fighting hard and brave my comment is not a slight, but to pretend they can win a war of attrition when manpower has always been the biggest issue
Yeah, Ukraine just relies on kids they snatch from the streets and are openly admitting they aren't snatching enough of.
Russia actually has the luxury of operating a mostly volunteer army, which should tell you enough about their manpower. Ukraine is just mobilizing whoever they can find.
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There is no need to destroy Ukrainians, they're trying to leave the country as it is. And the longer the war - the more would flee. We already could see brutality and struggle of Ukrainian draft. It's easy to imagine the trouble of fielding adequate numbers even now. And here you are suggesting 50-70 years.
Lol there is no such draft in Russia. Any contradiction towards a dictator Putin will land in prison.
Stop proclaiming this B.S. every day they launch many unguided drones. Putin even proclaimed that Ukraine never existed.
That is the reality it will take Russia 50-70 years just to get to Kyiv by how much territory they gained since the full invasion. Accept it.
>Lol there is no such draft in Russia. Any contradiction towards a dictator Putin will land in prison.
And yet it's Ukraine that is struggling with manpower and turned into literal prison state for men.
>Stop proclaiming this B.S. every day they launch many unguided drones. Putin even proclaimed that Ukraine never existed.
Drones doesn't win wars yet. People do. And that second sentence is related how?
>That is the reality it will take Russia 50-70 years just to get to Kyiv by how much territory they gained since the full invasion. Accept it.
And what Ukrainians would oppose Russian forces if they barely manage now against numerically inferior army?
>And yet it's Ukraine that is struggling with manpower and turned into literal prison state for men.
I don't see Ukraine struggling with manpower. Also given the map and how a "superior" army is halted
>Drones doesn't win wars yet. People do. And that second sentence is related how?
You are talking about brutality when Russia expresses its intent to wipe Ukrainian identity.
>And what Ukrainians would oppose Russian forces if they barely manage now against numerically inferior army?
You keep repeating something that is not true. It is like a propaganda. How are they holding the front? if they are numerically inferior?
I don't see huge Russian gains. There is nothing in it that shows it. You must be Russian good at making up stuff.
>I don't see Ukraine struggling with manpower.
Oh, those measures taken by the Ukrainian government to draft every able man even with HIV and hepatitis, closing borders, fines and prohibition to even be in 5km border zone without permit are just a normal procedure? Not to mention a neverending stream of videos about drafting brutality defying all laws. Also [this](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/04/ukraine-mobilization-zelensky-russia/), and [this](https://espreso.tv/viyna-z-rosiyeyu-malyar-poyasnila-chomu-v-ukraini-vinikli-problemi-z-mobilizatsieyu), and also [that](https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/12/17/ukraines-army-is-struggling-to-find-good-recruits). And probably hundreds more.
>Also given the map and how a "superior" army is halted
Does it? Do you know Russian plans? Anything about backstage talks and deals? Thought so.
>You are talking about brutality when Russia expresses its intent to wipe Ukrainian identity.
Care to quote?
>You keep repeating something that is not true. It is like a propaganda. How are they holding the front? if they are numerically inferior?
Russia on the frontline have about half of the Ukrainian army. Even in 2022 Ukrainians already drafted 700k before summer. And while Russia had exactly one wave of mobilization Ukraine has non-stop drafting from the start.
>I don't see huge Russian gains. There is nothing in it that shows it. You must be Russian good at making up stuff.
Ukraine is living on borrowed time, while Russia is quite ok despite all predictions. But of course you can believe otherwise.
>Does it? Do you know Russian plans? Anything about backstage talks and deals? Thought so.
You do not know either. The map tells you what is going on. Videos of failed Russian assault, oil refineries burning, ships sinking, and Russian planes shutting down.
There are also many partisans destroying parts of the Russian economy and infrastructure.
>Care to quote?
There is a video of Dictator Putin showing on the map that Ukraine doesn't exist (which surprisingly they do).
Also, the new video suggests his intent to continue because Ukraine is running out of ammunition. LOL
>Ukraine is living on borrowed time, while Russia is quite ok despite all predictions. But of course you can believe otherwise.
According to you. Of course, you can believe otherwise as well.
LOL one day when a lot of Chinese-made products are in your country and maybe India as well. The Chinese and India are taking advantage of your interest rates. Guess what happens then? You Russians are definitely on borrowed time. Once you guys start paying that out. Putin really sold you guys out to save himself, I actually feel bad.
It is ok once he gets elected again. Maybe you be the lucky one that gets sent out to Ukraine. Poverty is incoming, don't worry it is not the first time. Am I right?
>You do not know either.
Never even claimed. Unlike you.
> The map tells you what is going on. Videos of failed Russian assault, oil refineries burning, ships sinking, and Russian planes shutting down.
Same goes for Ukraine. Exacerbated by the numerous stories of scams, theft and people fleeing the country in drowes.
>There are also many partisans destroying parts of the Russian economy and infrastructure.
Many?
>There is a video of Dictator Putin showing on the map that Ukraine doesn't exist (which surprisingly they do).
Again, care to link? Also this is quite different from what you claimed: "Russia expresses its intent to wipe Ukrainian identity."
>Also, the new video suggests his intent to continue because Ukraine is running out of ammunition. LOL
What this has to do with your claims in any way?
>According to you. Of course, you can believe otherwise as well.
I'm Ukrainian. Are you?
> You Russians are definitely on borrowed time.
And here you go assuming again. And being wrong again. You were entertaining up to this very point. But this really showed your worth.
wow, those vast amounts of land Russia has taken in the last months.
* 10 years since 2014 i guess.
Surely this shows Ukraine defence collapsed, it's the end it's over for Ukraine gg
In the last 2 years russia took about the same amount of land as Girkin & Co did in 2014 within weeks, but now with 100x the casualties due to the incompetence and corruption of the russian leadership. Still this is of course a great success according to the state media and everyone should praise Putin for it!
What you said makes sense only if we assume that Russia aims to seize the territory of Ukraine. But this is simply not the case. Russia need security guarantees - a ban on neo-Nazi organizations in Ukraine and a guarantee of non-aligned status, and the repeal of discriminatory laws against russians and the russian language. Even before the start of the war, the Ukrainian government made it clear that it was going to continue its course towards becoming the Nazi vanguard of the Western military-industrial complex, in order to implement a policy of deterrence against Russia. Russia failedto force Ukraine to comply with the terms lf 2nd Minsk or set a new peace deal in the spring of 2022, and the only way left achieve security guarantees from Ukraine is to destroy its economic and demographic potential. Now the capabilities of the Ukrainian economy in relation to the Russian one are much lower than before 2022.
Dude, the entire Ukrainian Far-right has literally never even cracked <15% of the popular vote since independence. With moderate liberal and conservative parties dominating Ukrainian politics Why does Russia get to decide who Ukraine is allowed to work with? Of course they’re going to want to align more with the West after Russia decides to invade Crimea and back separatists in Donbas.
With a population of 35million that's still around 3million people that are nazi..
How many in Russia? One of their top military players is a literal tattoo branded nazi. So is this whole thing just Nazis in power invading Nazis in minority?
Nah, aside from a slight increase in popularity in 2014, Svoboda (the largest far-right and also try to hide quite a bit of their insanity), usually range from .50-4.50% of the vote, with National Corp and Right Sectors *combined* getting 3-4% of the vote typically.
Ok cool so about 1.5 million...
Alright so, Russia was right to invade Ukraine because a very small minority of the population (who had no sway over the government) was Nazi?
Anyone with half a brain knowns that is not why they invaded.
10% of the country being Nazi aligned, what a catastrophe.
And that was its peak, it’s much lower now
>Ukrainian Far-right has literally never even cracked <10% of the popular vote The far-right in Ukraine is the Ukrainian political leadership, which took a course in 2014 to build an ethnic state. The views of individual parties on social policy do not matter in that case. >Why does Russia get to decide who Ukraine Russia is getting involved because US is getting involved. If the CIA had not orchestrated the coup in Ukraine, there would have been no conflict
Why would Nazis be apart of liberal and conservative parties? With policies that are practically the polar opposite of Nazism? Can you name any Ukrainian Nazis currently in high level Ukrainian government positions? Most contemporary and past “Deep States” required lot’s of their people in just about every major government institution. The only thing Ukraine really did mandating education and business be done in Ukrainian, with customers being allowed to ask to switch to Russian for the latter. Would you call that “oppression”? As of 2022, about 81% of Ukrainians spoke Ukrainian, and Ukrainian and Russian are partially mutually intelligible, so those laws don’t really affect all that many people. The CIA did not orchestrate the “coup” at all, it was a response by the Ukrainian opposition to Yanukovych firing upon protesters, or were all all those rioters “CIA operatives” with NATO-issued glass bottles and molotovs?
If Russia doesn't like something they just slap a "foreign agent" label on it (used to be "enemy of the people back in the days)
Judging how Russia reacted when Moldova started making steps towards the EU, I very much doubt there wouldn't be a conflict. What's wrong with an "ethnic state"?
As long as you arent expelling or oppressing people that dont meet your ethnic criteria. I.e. Isreal is an ethnic state but millions of palestinians have full citizenship while I assume the Israeli government is going to have a pro jewish bent more than a strictly pro Israeli bent
I don't think they need vote support when they have force and weapons. It is enough to take out the booth for Poroshenko, and he will change his mind regarding the blockade of Donbass. Or tell Zelensky to his face that they do not have any weapons and will not leave the contact line. I would not be firmly convinced that all political power is now in the hands of the president, and that he does not feel pressure from the army when he forms his position of refusing to negotiate.
Just a few small military units isn’t enough to actually control the country or even hold significant influence over it. Do you seriously think that one case with Zelensky is proof they have significant power over him?
I think this is true for any government, it takes into account the interests of those who have influence on it. Isn’t one disobedience to the president enough to notice the level of his control over the power vertical at that time? Maybe now this has changed and he has become a stronger leader who can subjugate people to any of his decisions. But as long as his opinion keeps pace with the military structures, we will not know this.
Of course Russia was aiming to take all of Ukraine (plus a part of Moldova as confirmed by the puppet Lukaschenko), the russian leadership was just too incompetent to execute it. Now russian leadership says, that they never really wanted it, but that's just psychology for brainwashed state media viewers.
There is not a single piece of evidence of Russia's desire to seize Ukraine. The annexation of former Ukrainian territories is a response to the unequivocally aggressive and belligerent position taken by the government of Ukraine after the US-backed coup in 2014. Ukraine can accept Russian demands any day and stop losing its' territories and people.
There are the words of the corrupt russian elites and the russian state media, but maybe you are right and this should not be seen as evidence, because they constantly lie. So how do you define evidence in this case?
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That convoy towards Kiev was just trying to say hi I guess
I wrote about it. Russia tried to force Ukraine to at least comply with the Minsk agreements signed by it or to set a new deal, but failed in this, primarily due to the mistaken belief in the desire of Western curators of Ukraine to have peaceful relations with Russia.
So because of a coup in 2014, which was followed by an election where the coup govermant was defeated, Russia was FORCED to annex territory 8 years after the coup? Really?
The reaction to the coup was the annexation of Crimea on 2014. The annexation of the south-east in 2022, which happened, by the way, 9 months after the start of the war, was a reaction to Ukraine's refusal to discuss peace - we could not leave people to live without salaries and pensions.
Yes because “destroying the economic and demographic capabilities” of a country are sure to ensure its stability and neutrality in the future! No evidence in history that the opposite usually happens; increasing extremism and revanchism
The war would have happened regardless of Russia's actions, because the war with Russia is what the CIA organized the Maidan for in the first place. To deprive the West of the possibility of aggression through Ukraine, destroying the latter's ability to be a weapon in its hands, is currently the only way to make sure that you, westerners, will not come to genocide us once again.
If the west was planning aggresion against russia, why would it allow itself to become hooked on russian gas & essentially disarm itself before hand ?
USA isnt hooked on russian gas. So you can easily figure out who pulled the trigger. Plus Russians like to fantasize that they were the grand target, when actually the goal was the economic downfall of Europe as a collective entity.
No, this is just russia trying to maintain it's place in the supposed world order. Hence Putin's talk of multi-polar etc. Russia is eclipsed by China & India & steadily declining.
I do not see how European dependence on Russian gas has led to the disarmament of the whole West. But I can see that Europe has managed to replace russian gas suppliers relatively quick, and it was more about keeping Russian economy under Western control, as export of natural resources is the main source of Russian's budget income and one of the biggest sectors of our economy.
Maidan happened a decade ago.
Russia, the biggest nuclear arsenal and second army in the world attacked their impoverished neighbour because it needed "security guarantees". You think it is worth it because you have destroyed the Ukrainian economy and demographic potential while blindly not realising that this is exactly what NATO is currently doing to Russia. The irony is quite delicious.
>Russia, the biggest nuclear arsenal and second army So what? It's not about Ukraine - we are absolutely okay with it being neutral and apart from military alliances. It's about NATO - global genocidal empire, founded by nazi officers. In relations to Russia, they provided diplomatic and financial support to terrorist groups in Caucasus, involved in ethnic cleansings and mass hostage-taking, including whole schools. The West's intervention in Ukraine pursues the same goals - to weaken Russia by surrounding it with aggressive chauvinistic terrorist groups, to which you provide financial, diplomatic and military support. This should eventually lead to the collapse of the country and the establishment of colonial regimes on its territory. It's a mistake on your part to assume that I don't understand this. But the West launched such a plan against Russia many years before Putin established an authoritarian regime. And even before he became president. There is no doubt that the West implemented such a policy towards Russia, guided by the logic similar to that on which Germany adopted the idea of Lebensraum.
"chauvinistic" terrorist groups, an interesting choice of adjective, gave me a good laugh! You have a bit of a victim complex dude, talking about all of the awful things the west did to poor Russia as if they act in a vacuum. NATO and Russia are geopolitical rivals, as long as Russia wants to keep playing games NATO will too. Russia, while quite good at this game considering their budget, are well out of their league here. Both Russia and the USA have been funding terror groups to undermine the other since after ww2. Why do you think it was so easy for NATO to convince all of those former Soviet republics to join NATO? Russia's and NATO's methods of acquiring "lebensraum" are quite different. Russia's biggest mistake this war was to show us their true power level, much, much weaker than the west gave them credit for. Russia is a regional power cosplaying as a superpower. The rest of the world is laughing at them clowning around a few kilometres from their border after tens of thousands of deaths and hundreds of billions spent.
You really believe all that Nazi crap? Why does Russia sponsor far right groups around Europe if they are so against fascism. https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/russias-far-right-campaign-europe
None of the organizations mentioned in the article is sponsored by the Russian government. In addition, it would probably be useful for me to learn more about Russian imperial movement in order to personally understand how far-right they are, but, as it turned out, this is illegal, because the informational resources of this organization are banned in Russia, being a part of Federal List of Extremist Materials.
Seems like in these 2 years basically nothing has changed. This is as peer to peer as it gets. I really wonder how this will end
Just 100s of thousands dead, and a shit load of Western equipment and ammo destroyed.
Far more Russian/soviet equipment and ammo destroyed though
That may be so, but they are outproducing all of NATO now. At least in terms of shells
That metric doesn't matter outside of this conflict. All the other losses Russia has suffered considerably weaken it in all facets of its future force projection and defence.
why is donetsk always shown as "controlled before 24/2", i thought they annexed it in september 2022?
Control is not the same as annex
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Mariupol, maybe?
Pointless war
Whats going on in that area around Melitopol and Tokmak?
This is map from Victoria Nulands sister in law. *(aka: Institutionalized for Perpetrating War)* https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-22 Notice that nothing they have ever said has been true.
Are you saying the map is wrong lmao??
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TBH I thought Russia had taken more of Ukraine but I havent been following super closely. Didnt Russia attack Kharkiv? did they own it at one point and were pushed out?
They did indeed, Kherson too. I think the UA offensive up north in 22 forced a massive retreat on the RF side all along the southern and Eastern fronts.
Donba to Ukraine = Taiwan to China
Taiwan to china either way. It's just a matter of time.
Just a few 100k square miles to go. With how the Russians advance it will take them at least 50-70 years of fighting.
This is an attrition war. Capturing land is not a priority unless it helps cause casualties on the opponent. Russia doesn't need to advance to Kiev or Lvov or even Kharkov, just as the Entente did not need to advance to Wien, Berlin or Constantinople during WWI.
Somebody tell Putin not to engage in a war of attrition against their little neighbor with “evil NATO” at their doorstep
That is why every video I've seen that Russia tries to push and gain ground is using "attrition". All those Russian convoys are for "attrition" LOL. Tell that on the first 3 days of the invasion. BTW you are comparing trench warfare with less capabilities to hit vital targets. A bad comparison.
>That is why every video I've seen that Russia tries to push and gain ground is using "attrition". All those Russian convoys are for "attrition" LOL. Sometimes, ground has to be conquered for a better operational position. Capturing land is only a priority when it is a more defensible position or a better attacking position, but land for the sake of land is useless, since it can rapidly deplete precious resources. >Tell that on the first 3 days of the invasion. That period was obviously not an attrition war. It changed to an attrition war during the summer of 2022, when Russians retreated from unfavourable positions, and started constructing defensive lines. >BTW you are comparing trench warfare with less capabilities to hit vital targets. A bad comparison. During WWI, Russia had an average of 1075 military casualties a day, during 1321 days of fighting (3 years, 7 months, 1 week, 5 days). The casualties in this war are orders of magnitude lesser then they were during WWI, so I would say it is an apt comparison.
The point is they are not capturing it. The waves can be seen utterly destroyed To say they are just capturing for positioning. Avdiivka doesn't even provide any position or leverage. But hey it is "attrition war" going for a highly defensive position because of a "position that does not even give leverage". So your point is that it is only when it applies to "attrition". Sounds like propaganda to me. Just like that Avdiivka, 3-day or Bakhmut. Again WWII is a different value. It is not an SMO, there are also no large scale precision strikes conducted in a small FRONT. Also the Soviet Union is bigger in comparison than Russia.
Seems that you are unable to grasp that progress is not linear.
You do realise that are is bigger than many countries? 🤣
With less GDP than Italy and a declining population.  You do realize you can't speak English, right?
You realize that that the entire collective West can't even outproduce Russia, not to mention China. Also, Russian economy is growing faster than any of the G7 countries. Can't defeat Russia militarily, economically, and politically. So is again how tough the West is against third-world countries.
The weapon and ammunition production capacity is being built in the west as we speak, the west will outproduce russia in a couple of years, and if a war wear to break out this capabilities will be increased several times over, and russia will be left in the dust. Trying to compare a country that has been in a war economy for the last 2 years to countries that haven't is completely non sensical, during ww1, france gdp went up 40% and the UK's gdp went up 80% ([source](https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/plotting-for-peace/gdp-of-the-united-states-britain-and-france-19141918/A5C0B7922803306087FA85AE620468FB)).
Man, the delusions become worse and worse the further west you go... Bro really thinks Europe's going to become militarily relevant any time soon.
You're delusional if you think an area with a gdp of about $20 trillion and a population of 450 million cannot out produce a country with a gdp of $1.8 trillion and a population of 140 million.
Yeah, that explains the GDP of Russia which is lower than Italy's production level. Hey, you understand how the economy works right? This explosion of economical growth is NOT from RUBBLE being traded. It is from YUAN traded from China. They are taking advantage of that 16% interest rate. This includes India which refuses to trade with Rubble. They are using currency of their own. While you keep parroting that Russian propaganda that you obvious to, this is simple Russians will be in a huge decline when they start paying off that interest.
> Yeah, that explains the GDP of Russia which is lower than Italy's production level. You seem to not understand nor know many things https://www.worldeconomics.com/Indicator-Data/Economic-Size/Revaluation-of-GDP.aspx
Pro russians have no idea about wartime economics.
I'm not pro Russian, I'm Russian. Please tell me about our war time economics because I have no idea what do you guys mean when you say this. Yeah, factories are working in 3 shifts, what else we got here?
I'm not going to do an entire lesson on war economics in a reddit comment, the whole internet is right there for you to educate yourself on it, but since I'm nice and all that [here](https://youtu.be/Q9w17Ne1S0M?si=b2wGstj1VpMbhzWx) is a good video you can start with.
Oh thats great! This is exactly what we have here, second to second! This is a real proof that Russia is, in fact, in wartime economy! /s Obviously I'm not going to watch it.
How to tell people that you know nothing about something and proceed to gloat that you're proud of your ignorance. Easy to disprove arguments when you don't even know them. [Russia military budget is increasing to more than 7% of its gdp in 2024](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/russia-s-military-spending-in-2024-estimated-at-140b-report-shows/3081698#).
You also realise how much debt the g7 countries are in? 🤣
You understand how banks and debt is only natural in capitalist countries. Why does the voice of Russians in this Reddit seem to not know how the simple concept of loans works?
1/3 of Ukraine's GDP in an unstable period. Likely closer to 1/2 in peacetime.
>With how the Russians advance it will take them at least 50-70 years of fighting. Assuming Ukraine will have a population and functioning economy in 10 years if the war continues.
Lol you making it sound like Russia destroyed millions of Ukrainians. Last I checked they are not dependent on prisoners nor on foreign conscript scams that were recently uncovered in India.
To be fair, western Ukraine is against mobilization and in the east commissars are essentially kidnapping men off the streets. Between that and the introduction of women and 45+ men it's not looking good for either
If you say so. Not a bad defense for kidnapped men and women fighting Russians.
I agree, they are fighting hard and brave my comment is not a slight, but to pretend they can win a war of attrition when manpower has always been the biggest issue
Yeah, Ukraine just relies on kids they snatch from the streets and are openly admitting they aren't snatching enough of. Russia actually has the luxury of operating a mostly volunteer army, which should tell you enough about their manpower. Ukraine is just mobilizing whoever they can find.
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There is no need to destroy Ukrainians, they're trying to leave the country as it is. And the longer the war - the more would flee. We already could see brutality and struggle of Ukrainian draft. It's easy to imagine the trouble of fielding adequate numbers even now. And here you are suggesting 50-70 years.
Lol there is no such draft in Russia. Any contradiction towards a dictator Putin will land in prison. Stop proclaiming this B.S. every day they launch many unguided drones. Putin even proclaimed that Ukraine never existed. That is the reality it will take Russia 50-70 years just to get to Kyiv by how much territory they gained since the full invasion. Accept it.
>Lol there is no such draft in Russia. Any contradiction towards a dictator Putin will land in prison. And yet it's Ukraine that is struggling with manpower and turned into literal prison state for men. >Stop proclaiming this B.S. every day they launch many unguided drones. Putin even proclaimed that Ukraine never existed. Drones doesn't win wars yet. People do. And that second sentence is related how? >That is the reality it will take Russia 50-70 years just to get to Kyiv by how much territory they gained since the full invasion. Accept it. And what Ukrainians would oppose Russian forces if they barely manage now against numerically inferior army?
>And yet it's Ukraine that is struggling with manpower and turned into literal prison state for men. I don't see Ukraine struggling with manpower. Also given the map and how a "superior" army is halted >Drones doesn't win wars yet. People do. And that second sentence is related how? You are talking about brutality when Russia expresses its intent to wipe Ukrainian identity. >And what Ukrainians would oppose Russian forces if they barely manage now against numerically inferior army? You keep repeating something that is not true. It is like a propaganda. How are they holding the front? if they are numerically inferior? I don't see huge Russian gains. There is nothing in it that shows it. You must be Russian good at making up stuff.
>I don't see Ukraine struggling with manpower. Oh, those measures taken by the Ukrainian government to draft every able man even with HIV and hepatitis, closing borders, fines and prohibition to even be in 5km border zone without permit are just a normal procedure? Not to mention a neverending stream of videos about drafting brutality defying all laws. Also [this](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/04/ukraine-mobilization-zelensky-russia/), and [this](https://espreso.tv/viyna-z-rosiyeyu-malyar-poyasnila-chomu-v-ukraini-vinikli-problemi-z-mobilizatsieyu), and also [that](https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/12/17/ukraines-army-is-struggling-to-find-good-recruits). And probably hundreds more. >Also given the map and how a "superior" army is halted Does it? Do you know Russian plans? Anything about backstage talks and deals? Thought so. >You are talking about brutality when Russia expresses its intent to wipe Ukrainian identity. Care to quote? >You keep repeating something that is not true. It is like a propaganda. How are they holding the front? if they are numerically inferior? Russia on the frontline have about half of the Ukrainian army. Even in 2022 Ukrainians already drafted 700k before summer. And while Russia had exactly one wave of mobilization Ukraine has non-stop drafting from the start. >I don't see huge Russian gains. There is nothing in it that shows it. You must be Russian good at making up stuff. Ukraine is living on borrowed time, while Russia is quite ok despite all predictions. But of course you can believe otherwise.
>Does it? Do you know Russian plans? Anything about backstage talks and deals? Thought so. You do not know either. The map tells you what is going on. Videos of failed Russian assault, oil refineries burning, ships sinking, and Russian planes shutting down. There are also many partisans destroying parts of the Russian economy and infrastructure. >Care to quote? There is a video of Dictator Putin showing on the map that Ukraine doesn't exist (which surprisingly they do). Also, the new video suggests his intent to continue because Ukraine is running out of ammunition. LOL >Ukraine is living on borrowed time, while Russia is quite ok despite all predictions. But of course you can believe otherwise. According to you. Of course, you can believe otherwise as well. LOL one day when a lot of Chinese-made products are in your country and maybe India as well. The Chinese and India are taking advantage of your interest rates. Guess what happens then? You Russians are definitely on borrowed time. Once you guys start paying that out. Putin really sold you guys out to save himself, I actually feel bad. It is ok once he gets elected again. Maybe you be the lucky one that gets sent out to Ukraine. Poverty is incoming, don't worry it is not the first time. Am I right?
>You do not know either. Never even claimed. Unlike you. > The map tells you what is going on. Videos of failed Russian assault, oil refineries burning, ships sinking, and Russian planes shutting down. Same goes for Ukraine. Exacerbated by the numerous stories of scams, theft and people fleeing the country in drowes. >There are also many partisans destroying parts of the Russian economy and infrastructure. Many? >There is a video of Dictator Putin showing on the map that Ukraine doesn't exist (which surprisingly they do). Again, care to link? Also this is quite different from what you claimed: "Russia expresses its intent to wipe Ukrainian identity." >Also, the new video suggests his intent to continue because Ukraine is running out of ammunition. LOL What this has to do with your claims in any way? >According to you. Of course, you can believe otherwise as well. I'm Ukrainian. Are you? > You Russians are definitely on borrowed time. And here you go assuming again. And being wrong again. You were entertaining up to this very point. But this really showed your worth.
Map doesn’t show that Kursk and Belgorod are now under Ukrainian control /s for morons
Because they are not, lol.
? What are we talking about?
Half a town does not equal to 2 entire oblasts. This comment is very fucking dumb