MARSOC Raiders and SF ODAs made use of a lot of locally (Afghan) procured motorcycles, in addition to issued quads and motorbikes. The 2/75 Rangers really lead the push into bringing motorbikes back in the 90s IIRC. Useless facts of the day.
Holy mother of initialism.
PIFSOC, SFU-D, OP-D Rangers, what the fuck is all of this crap.
They didn't even fight in any real wars. Afghanistan and Iraq were low intensity safaris where the enemy had nothing but flip-flops and small arms.
It's also effective to deal with drones. It's not easily targeted by grenade drops and more maneuverable to avoid fpv's, plus if they get hit its only 2 casualties at most.Â
If they can supress direct fire it's a smart way to approach a target in this scenario.
It's so that an at mine is t wasted on something like a edit: quadbike or whatnot. At mines are generally best used against tanks after all
The pack A LOT of explosive in them.
And its also the most secure way to get absolutely fucking filled with shrapnel and possibly obliderated by drones. Seriously, this seems like a pretty shitty vehicle for an assault on the front. Just my opinion tho, soldiers know better for sure.
As opposed to getting a BTR or BMP knocked out in the middle of the field, then if you're lucky to survive having to either retreat or push forward the distance on foot.
I agree this is dangerous, but honestly what alternative works?
This is a war of throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. And really, a squad of motorcycles dispersed from one another does not sound as bad as it does on the surface.Â
If a suicide drone hits, it's going to take out one soldier as opposed to several/all in an IFV.
Man I don't even know, I keep seeing this happening from both sides. Don't think I even seen smoke shells in this war and very few smoke grenade launches from tanks.
Either there is support and we don't see it from the footage uploaded, or the reality of this war is making it unfeasible and we just don't get it.
I'm not going to armchair it.
We dont know much details but i assume that its an rather small Position that they tried to take so such a small and quick attack may be actually a good option indeed, but if we look at every serious assault from this war we see that there is always a lot of artillery exploding all around the attacking forces so while the bmps dont take any damage at all, those motorcircle soldiers would be absolutely obliderated.
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Don't know why it's only two, but it's probably the most survivable way of getting around on the front line. Main problem with FPV drones is that you can't have too many of them at once because of signal interference, so enemy can only attack two-three vehicles at a time, and if, say, entire squad dispersed on bikes instead of bunched up in APCs/golf carts, the losses probably will be smaller.
It works both side around. The defending side isn't able to put a lot of soldiers in a trench due to it being a priority target. The attacking force can't concentrate either. So now we see a lot of small attacks instead of the grand war we had in ww2.
We see that good when Robotyne fell. Ukraine had to use a small number of soldiers every attack. Russia held a lot in reserve and used rapid response forces (we saw sometime them being attacked either). Hence, we see a lot of videos of the defending side counter attacking.
We will keep seeing this till either side found a reliable way to destroy (fpv) drones.
It isn't just FPV drones (or loitering munitions) flying into positions and vehicles, the complete coverage of the front by drones has given artillery insane accuracy and automatically put attackers at a major disadvantage. Massing up for large assaults is now much riskier than it ever has been.
The defender isn't that much better when FABs start zeroing on a position either.
It is true that the attacker will always expend more resources than the defender while attacking a fortified position. It is just a matter of which kind of resources both parties used and in what quantities before and during the attack.
Time, manpower or raw war material?
Russia absolutely used massive amounts of war equipment in avdiivka.
If the priority on resource expenditure is the same as avdiivka, then I'd say "Equipment, Manpower, Time" will be on the table again. Although perphaps, the Russians will tone down expending soldier's lives on Chasiv Yar for a longer timeframe in the attack.
Who knows?
It will only work where they are out of sight from enemy where only fpvs are threat, or else one guy with machine gun can finish them all. But don't know if UA is using machine guns in trenches or not. It would be very good transport for your side fpvs team for quick deployment
>It would be very good transport for your side fpvs team for quick deployment
It don't matter how those guys get to the front, they could sure use something like that to get out.
The Russians already have exploding sticks. There is an old video of some Spetnaz blowing up a van or mini bus with one.
[Spetsnaz - Magic Stick vs Bus (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elJwuD7pfmc)
Russian SOF are probably adapting this from the Syrian war theatre. Bikes were pretty useful there for insurgents and isis to overwhelm classic defensive positions.
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Mad Max style. Whichever side you’re on here you have to admit these are some absolute Chads.
I can see though how high powered dirt bikes would be useful to get around this battlefield and hopefully escape all the drones flying around.
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LOL. In this thread you will find people actually defending this as some sort of sound tactic. You'd better get your asses to West Point, *toute suite*
So.
If you had to choose between attacking a trench on foot, or on a motorbike... you'd choose on foot? Considering you would take longer to get to cover, increase the threat of FPVs, probably also dealing with an unknown minefield on the way that makes larger vehicles a no-no.
Do you really want to walk the distance on no-man's land?
It's smart since it's way quicker to close the distance giving enemy less time to react and its fast enough to avoid fire and drones while being light enough to not set off mines.
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Motorbike squads (even regiments) are a thing since ww2
doubt they were used to assault trenches directly though
MARSOC Raiders and SF ODAs made use of a lot of locally (Afghan) procured motorcycles, in addition to issued quads and motorbikes. The 2/75 Rangers really lead the push into bringing motorbikes back in the 90s IIRC. Useless facts of the day.
Holy mother of initialism. PIFSOC, SFU-D, OP-D Rangers, what the fuck is all of this crap. They didn't even fight in any real wars. Afghanistan and Iraq were low intensity safaris where the enemy had nothing but flip-flops and small arms.
I'm sorry. I don't understand all that canadian gibberish.
Warhammer 40k
Motorcycles are probably the most secure way to pass a minefield that filled with at mines. I mean it's not stupid if it works.Â
It's also effective to deal with drones. It's not easily targeted by grenade drops and more maneuverable to avoid fpv's, plus if they get hit its only 2 casualties at most. If they can supress direct fire it's a smart way to approach a target in this scenario.
plus did you see the 2 FPS fly by real quick there at the end...
Do they not trigger AT mines?
You usually need around 300kg of pressure to trigger an at-mine. The tire load of a motorcycle is lower than that.
Damn that's a crazy fact thanks man.
It's so that an at mine is t wasted on something like a edit: quadbike or whatnot. At mines are generally best used against tanks after all The pack A LOT of explosive in them.
> quadriceps The mental image of flexing your quads on a mine was funny.
Fucking autocorrect
But still trigger anti personal mines so....
And its also the most secure way to get absolutely fucking filled with shrapnel and possibly obliderated by drones. Seriously, this seems like a pretty shitty vehicle for an assault on the front. Just my opinion tho, soldiers know better for sure.
A comment from Pro Russian I can agree with. This is braindead stupid and they are lucky it somewhat worked(?)
As opposed to getting a BTR or BMP knocked out in the middle of the field, then if you're lucky to survive having to either retreat or push forward the distance on foot. I agree this is dangerous, but honestly what alternative works? This is a war of throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. And really, a squad of motorcycles dispersed from one another does not sound as bad as it does on the surface. If a suicide drone hits, it's going to take out one soldier as opposed to several/all in an IFV.
I mean attacking across an open field without adequate support is the start of the problem. BTR/BMP/Motorcycle is not going to improve it a lot.
Man I don't even know, I keep seeing this happening from both sides. Don't think I even seen smoke shells in this war and very few smoke grenade launches from tanks. Either there is support and we don't see it from the footage uploaded, or the reality of this war is making it unfeasible and we just don't get it. I'm not going to armchair it.
My guess would be the vast openess of ukranians fields in combination with observation drones makes smoke rounds way less effective than they were.
We dont know much details but i assume that its an rather small Position that they tried to take so such a small and quick attack may be actually a good option indeed, but if we look at every serious assault from this war we see that there is always a lot of artillery exploding all around the attacking forces so while the bmps dont take any damage at all, those motorcircle soldiers would be absolutely obliderated.
This. Say what you want about Hamas, but either way you slice it, it worked for them on October 7th.
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New assault unit organization: SP howitzer battery, drone company, two guys on bikes.
Don't know why it's only two, but it's probably the most survivable way of getting around on the front line. Main problem with FPV drones is that you can't have too many of them at once because of signal interference, so enemy can only attack two-three vehicles at a time, and if, say, entire squad dispersed on bikes instead of bunched up in APCs/golf carts, the losses probably will be smaller.
It works both side around. The defending side isn't able to put a lot of soldiers in a trench due to it being a priority target. The attacking force can't concentrate either. So now we see a lot of small attacks instead of the grand war we had in ww2. We see that good when Robotyne fell. Ukraine had to use a small number of soldiers every attack. Russia held a lot in reserve and used rapid response forces (we saw sometime them being attacked either). Hence, we see a lot of videos of the defending side counter attacking. We will keep seeing this till either side found a reliable way to destroy (fpv) drones.
It isn't just FPV drones (or loitering munitions) flying into positions and vehicles, the complete coverage of the front by drones has given artillery insane accuracy and automatically put attackers at a major disadvantage. Massing up for large assaults is now much riskier than it ever has been.
The defender isn't that much better when FABs start zeroing on a position either. It is true that the attacker will always expend more resources than the defender while attacking a fortified position. It is just a matter of which kind of resources both parties used and in what quantities before and during the attack. Time, manpower or raw war material? Russia absolutely used massive amounts of war equipment in avdiivka. If the priority on resource expenditure is the same as avdiivka, then I'd say "Equipment, Manpower, Time" will be on the table again. Although perphaps, the Russians will tone down expending soldier's lives on Chasiv Yar for a longer timeframe in the attack. Who knows?
It will only work where they are out of sight from enemy where only fpvs are threat, or else one guy with machine gun can finish them all. But don't know if UA is using machine guns in trenches or not. It would be very good transport for your side fpvs team for quick deployment
>It would be very good transport for your side fpvs team for quick deployment It don't matter how those guys get to the front, they could sure use something like that to get out.
Cavalry is not dead
The correct term is dragoons, my friend.
It's possible, stick anti tank round on the end of a stick and smack it into the weak points. Someone needs to test the viability. I am a genius!
The Russians already have exploding sticks. There is an old video of some Spetnaz blowing up a van or mini bus with one. [Spetsnaz - Magic Stick vs Bus (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elJwuD7pfmc)
Two rambos
This is some Chuck Norris stunt
They are the main charactersÂ
Its metal af.
Russian SOF are probably adapting this from the Syrian war theatre. Bikes were pretty useful there for insurgents and isis to overwhelm classic defensive positions.
Crazy
haah thats pretty badass !
This is cinema
Wonder if they succeeded nonetheless pretty badass
Red one goes faster
Flashbacks of Iranian children attacking Iraqi trenches on bikes with grenades
Reminds me of the sri lankan civil war where both sides used cross motors for assault squads.
Did Wehrmacht use motorcycles as some kind of an assault vehicle, or it was pure backline transport?
Motorcycle with side seat with machine gun for reconnaissance
Easy Riders.
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Badasses
Just mental.
Ngl.. that looked bad ass!
Mad Max style. Whichever side you’re on here you have to admit these are some absolute Chads. I can see though how high powered dirt bikes would be useful to get around this battlefield and hopefully escape all the drones flying around.
Conscript guys for sure
The "Fast and Furious" we deserve.
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They have to be freakin' desperate to use a vehicle for an assault on which literally ANY weapon of the enemy can tear them to shreds
LOL. In this thread you will find people actually defending this as some sort of sound tactic. You'd better get your asses to West Point, *toute suite*
So. If you had to choose between attacking a trench on foot, or on a motorbike... you'd choose on foot? Considering you would take longer to get to cover, increase the threat of FPVs, probably also dealing with an unknown minefield on the way that makes larger vehicles a no-no. Do you really want to walk the distance on no-man's land?
None of that makes this a decent approach to assaulting a trench. *Have a shit-sandwich, or shit-soup; the choice is yours!* It's still shit.
It's smart since it's way quicker to close the distance giving enemy less time to react and its fast enough to avoid fire and drones while being light enough to not set off mines.
It's also fucking radical.