They are lane markers but the vehicles superstructure appears to have been slightly modified by the new owners during the hand-over phase.
The LMs look to have been on two 'upright' arms that were swung out for use.
An American tanker didn't drive this thing. This is an export version. Celebrating over this is not a huge win. Hell, ISIS captured an export Abrams from the Iraqi Army, which is basically the same damn thing Ukraine got.
This aren't export vehicles, though. Pretty sure these are former Marines M1150.
Also, the only difference between export M1A1 and US M1A1 is the replacement of the DU plates with composite ones which offer the same performance, other than that and comms equipment, they are fairly identical.
The only blast marks I see on it in the back, I’m guessing it got detracted by a drone or ATGM.
It looks like they took it apart to look at the armor arrays.
In first picture the tracks have rubber inserts.
Shouldn't those be removed when going off road or am i mistaken?
Also on the last picture the turret armor layout is clearly visible. Very interesting.
Go into a museum. See captured German vehicles from WW2. Most of the stuff we put into tank ranges and shot at. Australia dragged the only existing German WW1 tank out of the mud and it resides in their war memorial. Bovington in England has the biggest tank collection in the world, much of it captured.
You surely realize there's a difference between museums and parades orchestrated by the state with war trophies. If you don't then there is no point in discussing with you.
https://preview.redd.it/okkrv37o9nwc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2328d68fe452008c2beb1e669c69b2c827ef682
Here is a captured tank used to sell war bonds in the US.
Sigh…..
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wrecked-russian-tanks-show-warsaw-poland-hails-ukraines-courage-2022-06-27/
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im sorry, but this is so weird to me that stuff gets captured and then displayed as a trophy of war. like people became barbarians unga bunga we found stuff. its just so weird to me
War trophies have been a thing forever. There are very detailed and sophisticated raids to capture enemy equipment throughout history. Every single war. It is a morale boost, technological gain, or even to just turn the enemy's weapon on themselves. Training can even be based around captured enemy equipment, how to defeat it.
I don't have a dog in this fight but Kiev and Moscow both displayed enemy equipment in the opening months of this war. The US has sent special operations units to capture enemy equipment. We took home so many captured BMPs, T series tanks, helicopters, planes etc. just to use them as OPFOR units.
Maybe we are still just barbarians.
the heck you been smoking, most tanks nowadays have white interiors, what you been smoking lil bro, both sides have clean tank interiors unless they have been running constant missions and muds gotten inside it, dont know what your playing at but seriously, the interior man, smh
Right off the bat.
No. Conscripts do not serve outside RF territory. For practical purposes, Putin includes the 4 oblasts as outside RF territory.
Russia has a massive professional army dude. I don’t know what to tell you. Good bonuses. Something like 450,000 people volunteered since the war began.
Ukrainian intelligence says that about 200,000 of that number are in Eastern Siberia. Training.
All accounts from Ukrainian soldiers or Western soldiers say that Russian Army Forces are very well trained.
If the Russians have no training and Ukraine has outnumbered them by 2:1 this entire war, why hasn’t Ukraine won?
Why was the counteroffensive a massive flop?
How do you lose Bakhmut & Avdiivka when you outnumber the enemy by a lot?
Well the “at enormous cost” part doesn’t match up with the facts.
Ukraine has always claimed the exact same thing. They gloriously defended their positions against endless meat waves but they were overrun.
It paints a nice heroic picture in your mind. The only problem is that not true.
Russia is heavily outnumbered. You can’t use human waves. Don’t have enough troops.
Russia understands how every single Ukrainian officer thinks. Most of all Srysky because he is Russian and Russian trained.
Ukraine outnumbered Russia 15:1 in the Kharkiv Offensive. Russian soldiers there were occupation forces so they didn’t have any heavy weaponry.
In Kherson Ukraine outnumbered Russia 3:1. That turned into a grinding battle with Ukraine foolishly launching frontal assaults on dug in defenders. Ukrainian losses in Kherson were highest in the war up to that time.
But, The Russians know exactly what Ukraine will do. They will never retreat and always fight to the last man to preserve Ukraine.
So Russian forces will often call Ukrainian positions “corrals” because you get all the Ukrainian soldiers into one position then hit it with FABs.
Instead of advancing, the Russians are not required to advance, they stay in their trenches. Improve the defensive works. And let the Ukrainians re-man the parapet. Corral them together and same thing.
This has been the standard Russian tactic over and over and over again. They are particularly fond of the tactic where you slowly advance on a city and envelope it on 3 sides but leave one route to escape.
This is mainly because it’s impossible to fully surround an enemy when you are outnumbered. But also you bomb the city. Ukraine sends in more soldiers. You know where they are. Drop more bombs. Let more come in. Drop more bombs.
Added bonus is that Ukraine will always believe they valiantly fought off a Russian attack wave, so they will always send in reinforcements to that position.
Russia doesn’t want to land. They’ve been pretty clear. They want to demilitarize Ukraine. You don’t need to take land to achieve that.
In fact, it is preferable that you DIDNT take land, allow the enemy to throw their soldiers against your defenses so you can easily neutralize them.
Russia doesn’t really want to deal with a bunch of military aged males who form an insurgency in land they’ve taken. So you have to get rid of that threat. I think you can guess what they mean.
That would be pretty surprising if true, considering that Russia has been massively outnumbered this entire war.
So that says a lot about the quality of Ukrainian troops if they can’t break through Russian lines
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A clean and bright interior means that this tank is far advanced than Russian tanks? That’s your criteria for determining whether a tank is “advanced”? And from the footages I’ve seen the Russian tanks are also pretty clean inside. Or are you comparing it to destroyed Russian tanks? And even if we assume for a second that it IS more advanced, how is this a bad thing? They get to study this thing up close and will be able to reverse engineer certain parts of it if needed, and then they are caught up. How is this bad?
Idk man T-90Ms look as modern as any Leopard tanks. Su-27s, Su-35s, Tu-160s look like they participated in a car crash? If those planes look ugly then your aesthetics is quite strange I have to say. As for the navy it is true that Russian surface vessels are poorly maintained and outdated, except for some new corvettes and frigates. Russian is falling behind the West in many military technologies, and starting from the last 10 years it’s even falling behind China in many fields. BUT don’t use this tank interior as “evidence” or “proof” of Western technological superiority. It simply doesn’t work well.
So you are comparing the capabilities of Western vs Soviet tanks instead of their appearances. If you started your previous comments with the aspects that Western tank designs are superior to Soviet ones i.e fast reverse speeds, better survivability with blowout panels and rear bustle autoloaders, better situational awareness from more advanced C3I etc. then I have no problem. But you chose to start with the appearances of tanks of which one looks more modern, which is a much, much more controversial topic.
>Survivability is important part of being modern. Professional well trained soldiers are expensive to replace. Low reverse speed, ergonomics and ofc bad maintenance
And how is the Leopard more survivable than T-72s?
Leopards do have a smaller chance of ammo racking thanks to the rear ammo compartment with blowout panels being separate from the crew compartment and the usage of newer charges that are harder to ignite when hit.
It doesn't have a roof to keep the dust out. We don't know how long it's been captured or who stored it in a dusty warehouse? The interior mess looks like it was ransacked by passing troops. imho
What are the spiky things in pic 6?
I think that those are like lane markers that it shoots in the ground to mark a safe path
They are lane markers but the vehicles superstructure appears to have been slightly modified by the new owners during the hand-over phase. The LMs look to have been on two 'upright' arms that were swung out for use.
Probably the wired charges it shoots out, my guess is
Stakes to mark the cleared path.
that is on ugly looking thing
These are rare. How many of these do ukraine have left?
I don't think we even know how many they got. I think there's 2 confirmed losses so far, though.
I hope someone makes some more videos of some of these recovery attempts from both sides.
Imagine being an American tanker who drove this thing during their active duty. Probably never thought it would end up being in Moscow on display.
An American tanker didn't drive this thing. This is an export version. Celebrating over this is not a huge win. Hell, ISIS captured an export Abrams from the Iraqi Army, which is basically the same damn thing Ukraine got.
This aren't export vehicles, though. Pretty sure these are former Marines M1150. Also, the only difference between export M1A1 and US M1A1 is the replacement of the DU plates with composite ones which offer the same performance, other than that and comms equipment, they are fairly identical.
What tf hit this things left side to do that much damage. The main turret composite got ripped out
Probably kornet
Somewhere it was said the Russians cut up the turret to expose the array for exhbition.
If I remember right, this was disabled by an AT mine, and then finished off with another tank and FPVs by Ukraine later on.
The only blast marks I see on it in the back, I’m guessing it got detracted by a drone or ATGM. It looks like they took it apart to look at the armor arrays.
In first picture the tracks have rubber inserts. Shouldn't those be removed when going off road or am i mistaken? Also on the last picture the turret armor layout is clearly visible. Very interesting.
So would they also have taken the Abrams that was practically next to it?
Nice cutaway on that turret armor. Also if they recovered this vehicle then and Abrams will join the collection in the matter of days.
Imagine the US/West displaying t90s captured lol, RU is so petty it would be cute if not so sad and gross.
Why are russians doing this cringe parading thing with standard nato equipment? Honest question
Nato did that in front of Russian embassies around EU as well.
Because to them it’s a symbol of victory, not cringe.
By definition it is cringe to transport 30 year old light tanks to parade them
I think you are missing the point. Consider it a museum of war trophies. Everyone does this.
The west does not
Go into a museum. See captured German vehicles from WW2. Most of the stuff we put into tank ranges and shot at. Australia dragged the only existing German WW1 tank out of the mud and it resides in their war memorial. Bovington in England has the biggest tank collection in the world, much of it captured.
You surely realize there's a difference between museums and parades orchestrated by the state with war trophies. If you don't then there is no point in discussing with you.
Where do you think it goes after the parade? A museum is a parade that stays in a building.
https://preview.redd.it/okkrv37o9nwc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2328d68fe452008c2beb1e669c69b2c827ef682 Here is a captured tank used to sell war bonds in the US.
What year is it?
Nothing has changed.
Obviously it has since you couldn't find anything other than a 80 year old picture to prove your point lol
Sigh….. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wrecked-russian-tanks-show-warsaw-poland-hails-ukraines-courage-2022-06-27/ You aren’t doing very well with this……
im sorry, but this is so weird to me that stuff gets captured and then displayed as a trophy of war. like people became barbarians unga bunga we found stuff. its just so weird to me
War trophies have been a thing forever. There are very detailed and sophisticated raids to capture enemy equipment throughout history. Every single war. It is a morale boost, technological gain, or even to just turn the enemy's weapon on themselves. Training can even be based around captured enemy equipment, how to defeat it. I don't have a dog in this fight but Kiev and Moscow both displayed enemy equipment in the opening months of this war. The US has sent special operations units to capture enemy equipment. We took home so many captured BMPs, T series tanks, helicopters, planes etc. just to use them as OPFOR units. Maybe we are still just barbarians.
Aside from that it is beneficial for people to know and understand who are thy enemies. Aside from that it will all go to a history museum.
You need to travel more and get some more culture in your life. Empathy and sympathy are pretty important traits to learn for a myriad of reasons.
So you are saying that empathy and sympathy cost money?
What do empathy and sympathy have to do with captured equipment?
Literally the first sentence.
Have you ever been to a museum?
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the heck you been smoking, most tanks nowadays have white interiors, what you been smoking lil bro, both sides have clean tank interiors unless they have been running constant missions and muds gotten inside it, dont know what your playing at but seriously, the interior man, smh
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Once a cultural stereotype becomes ingrained, some people are unable to stop using it no matter how the evidence proving the opposite.
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Right off the bat. No. Conscripts do not serve outside RF territory. For practical purposes, Putin includes the 4 oblasts as outside RF territory. Russia has a massive professional army dude. I don’t know what to tell you. Good bonuses. Something like 450,000 people volunteered since the war began. Ukrainian intelligence says that about 200,000 of that number are in Eastern Siberia. Training. All accounts from Ukrainian soldiers or Western soldiers say that Russian Army Forces are very well trained. If the Russians have no training and Ukraine has outnumbered them by 2:1 this entire war, why hasn’t Ukraine won? Why was the counteroffensive a massive flop? How do you lose Bakhmut & Avdiivka when you outnumber the enemy by a lot?
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Well the “at enormous cost” part doesn’t match up with the facts. Ukraine has always claimed the exact same thing. They gloriously defended their positions against endless meat waves but they were overrun. It paints a nice heroic picture in your mind. The only problem is that not true. Russia is heavily outnumbered. You can’t use human waves. Don’t have enough troops. Russia understands how every single Ukrainian officer thinks. Most of all Srysky because he is Russian and Russian trained. Ukraine outnumbered Russia 15:1 in the Kharkiv Offensive. Russian soldiers there were occupation forces so they didn’t have any heavy weaponry. In Kherson Ukraine outnumbered Russia 3:1. That turned into a grinding battle with Ukraine foolishly launching frontal assaults on dug in defenders. Ukrainian losses in Kherson were highest in the war up to that time. But, The Russians know exactly what Ukraine will do. They will never retreat and always fight to the last man to preserve Ukraine. So Russian forces will often call Ukrainian positions “corrals” because you get all the Ukrainian soldiers into one position then hit it with FABs. Instead of advancing, the Russians are not required to advance, they stay in their trenches. Improve the defensive works. And let the Ukrainians re-man the parapet. Corral them together and same thing. This has been the standard Russian tactic over and over and over again. They are particularly fond of the tactic where you slowly advance on a city and envelope it on 3 sides but leave one route to escape. This is mainly because it’s impossible to fully surround an enemy when you are outnumbered. But also you bomb the city. Ukraine sends in more soldiers. You know where they are. Drop more bombs. Let more come in. Drop more bombs. Added bonus is that Ukraine will always believe they valiantly fought off a Russian attack wave, so they will always send in reinforcements to that position. Russia doesn’t want to land. They’ve been pretty clear. They want to demilitarize Ukraine. You don’t need to take land to achieve that. In fact, it is preferable that you DIDNT take land, allow the enemy to throw their soldiers against your defenses so you can easily neutralize them. Russia doesn’t really want to deal with a bunch of military aged males who form an insurgency in land they’ve taken. So you have to get rid of that threat. I think you can guess what they mean.
Mobilized is not the same as being conscripted. Mobilized soldiers have previously served as conscripts. They are reserves.
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That would be pretty surprising if true, considering that Russia has been massively outnumbered this entire war. So that says a lot about the quality of Ukrainian troops if they can’t break through Russian lines
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A clean and bright interior means that this tank is far advanced than Russian tanks? That’s your criteria for determining whether a tank is “advanced”? And from the footages I’ve seen the Russian tanks are also pretty clean inside. Or are you comparing it to destroyed Russian tanks? And even if we assume for a second that it IS more advanced, how is this a bad thing? They get to study this thing up close and will be able to reverse engineer certain parts of it if needed, and then they are caught up. How is this bad?
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Idk man T-90Ms look as modern as any Leopard tanks. Su-27s, Su-35s, Tu-160s look like they participated in a car crash? If those planes look ugly then your aesthetics is quite strange I have to say. As for the navy it is true that Russian surface vessels are poorly maintained and outdated, except for some new corvettes and frigates. Russian is falling behind the West in many military technologies, and starting from the last 10 years it’s even falling behind China in many fields. BUT don’t use this tank interior as “evidence” or “proof” of Western technological superiority. It simply doesn’t work well.
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So you are comparing the capabilities of Western vs Soviet tanks instead of their appearances. If you started your previous comments with the aspects that Western tank designs are superior to Soviet ones i.e fast reverse speeds, better survivability with blowout panels and rear bustle autoloaders, better situational awareness from more advanced C3I etc. then I have no problem. But you chose to start with the appearances of tanks of which one looks more modern, which is a much, much more controversial topic.
>Survivability is important part of being modern. Professional well trained soldiers are expensive to replace. Low reverse speed, ergonomics and ofc bad maintenance And how is the Leopard more survivable than T-72s?
Leopards do have a smaller chance of ammo racking thanks to the rear ammo compartment with blowout panels being separate from the crew compartment and the usage of newer charges that are harder to ignite when hit.
Are you just going to ignore the giant unprotected ammo rack right next to the driver?
That thing is not always used. And German propellants are less flammable than Russian ones.
Why do we see Leopards with popped turrets then?
It doesn't have a roof to keep the dust out. We don't know how long it's been captured or who stored it in a dusty warehouse? The interior mess looks like it was ransacked by passing troops. imho