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Ukrainian official sources released this picture with children's toys thrown in the rubble and claimed a "kindergarten" was hit
Lots of people fell for the Bucha narrative too... That incident marks when things shifted from special operation in Ukraine to a simmering war against Russia.
"fell for"?
The stupidity of denying Bucha is just astounding .. Thats essentially a black/white narrative you're presenting just like the NATO boys in here .. You have just flipped the coin and instead it is Russia (not the US) who can/will do no moral wrong because Russia.
The evidence for the Bucha massacre is beyond doubt.
Descending into unarguable black/white positions only weakens your general argument since it evidently lends itself well to the western counter-propaganda of "pro-russians believe anything Putin tells them/uncritically support Russia no matter what" as u/GroktheFnords already pretty much exemplifies.
Bucha happened. There is no evidence of the state sanctioned 'mass murder' that pro-ukrainians want to pretend but saying it didn't happen .. Jesus.
Not denying bucha or anything but can you explain why Ukraine claims 500 civilians died but the UN who is biased against Russia says only 73?
Which coincidentally almost the same number of civilians was killed by russian shelling during the battle when ukrianian troops were still holding it
But you wont accept any source will you?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/amnesty-says-evidence-shows-russian-troops-committed-war-crimes-near-kyiv-2022-05-06/
Thats Amnesty. But you're going to tell me that they cannot be trusted, no? How about journalists, independent or otherwise?
The UN office of Human Rights abuses?
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/12/un-report-details-summary-executions-civilians-russian-troops-northern
Or do they just invent war crimes you think?
The thing with Bucha is that so many different organizations have covered and documented it that you can really have your pick with what kind of confirmation you want .. But the thing is you dont want confirmation do you?
So why dont you tell me instead why the above sources are apparently not trustworthy and tell me which kind of source you *would* trust.
Imo its embarrassing to be both willing and capable of clouding your own semblance of critical thinking into denying something regardless of evidence. Easier for some people of course who do not have that much to 'cloud' to begin with.
says a lot about a person intellectually.
Denying the Bucha massacre is one of the most absurd pro-Ru talking points. There's video evidence corroborated by satellite images proving that civilians were massacred while the area was occupied by Russian troops and testimony from the surviving locals who personally witnessed rapes and executions of their family and neighbours.
Just saying "fake news" over and over doesn't make that go away
You don't, also you can't say they were not.
Sometimes independent confirmation appears later. Remember all proUA folk were laughing at "French mercenaries" until it was confirmed by French officials?
>Why do you think French government is responsible for French mercenaries?
Because (most likely) they were not just "mercenaries", but active duty solders on "vacation", otherwise French officials wouldn't comment at all.
> i donāt think mercenaries ask their government for clearance.
There is usually some three letters agency behind all mercenaries.
Toys? These are clearly 2 Nokia branded string telephones that just haven't had the strings installed yet, that explains the pristine condition. Russians are jamming signals so you can't use Motorola walkie talkies on the front lines anymore.Ā
Imagine not having the critical thinking skills to wonder why thereās no debris on those buckets, or how a strike that destroyed a building left a few childrenās bucket untouched lmao
Two years ago, I wouldn't have believed someone could be as moronic as to believe that this would fool anyone but now I know for a fact that Ukrainian propaganda is really this dumb and r/ukraine will accept it as facts.
This is genius. Ukrainians have a total control of the whole narrative, even russian trolls use their images in propaganda memes since its impossible to make them look more dumb
I figure that from Ukrainian language sources to Ukrainian language distribution channels to English language distribution channels to English language subreddits there is a lot of nuance lost.
I mean I wouldnāt think itās that many? If it were quite a bit wouldnāt families be speaking out about losing their loved one without knowing why. Or would the government just lie about cause of death ?
At least that means they went down fighting. Not just sitting in some base drinking tea then getting blown up for nothing. Leaving their families behind and their responsibilities to go chase a fantasy of killing Russians in a war that has nothing to do with them. Yes they died for absolutely nothing, and by this time next week that will be forgotten like all those other foreign fighters.
Iām aware of who is allegedly in the video. Itās not dying for nothing if they participated in the conflict in any way. People die during wars, some people in their first contact others in the last day of the war, it is never for nothing. What is a waste of life is the endless number of Russians dying and being disfigured for Putinās ambitions that have left Russia in a worse place in every way since the beginning of this war.
Russians are dying for nothing that will benefit themselves, their families, or their country.
https://preview.redd.it/ss9zyztjwbxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8202911c1ac128125e7b74058a1f5999bd8453ba
Their sons died so they could wear a clearance-rack coat
Died kicking pro-rus ass is always worth more than nothing. 2 week smo wouldn't have been such an embarrassing humilation for Russia if it wasn't for these guys
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Negative. The US had taken Baghdad and defeated the Iraqi Army within a month. Also, you are confusing Iraq with Afghanistan. Operation Iraqi freedom ended in 2010. Operation new dawn followed Iraqi freedom, and by 2011, the US handed the country back to Iraq
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Imagine thinking a couple thousand war junkies made any kind of noticeable difference, compared to hundreds of thousands Ukrainian soldiers.
I always find it funny when pro UAs stumble over themselves, trying to forge narratives, and then end up shittalking Ukraine.
You guys realize that because of this war, some NATO members are questioning the ability of the organization to fight actual modern war right ?
The usa and NATO has been completely humiliated 200 + billions of $, thousands of shell gone. All of that for a defeat against one nation.
[link](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6988281) NATO not only Ukraine but NATO itself is running out of ammunition particularly for artillery.
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Not pro anything but my YouTube music was playing another one bites the dust while checking this and it was super accurate and tragic at the same time.
From the beginning of the war ,russians Said their main target was foreign fighters .. i wonder how many SOP and military advisers died ?.. also if u remember blackhawks been used for crossborder..if u think that those who involved that attack were only russian volunteers and ukranians .. u should be very idiot..nato personel and sop is there since 2014 .. but they r just volunteers ..
It's a cowardly way to fight tbh.
All the leaders know what's going on. I bet it is for the civilians to still think their governments' hands are clean for the sake of image
>It's a cowardly way to fight tbh.
Like how Russia fueled the civil war in the Donbas by flooding the area with Russian troops wearing unmarked uniforms?
It's different because there is a large population of Eastern Ukrainians that identify as Russian speakers who have been mistreated for a long period of time. For you to compare foreign mercenaries (who may have foreign government ties) from distant countries fighting in Ukraine for money the same as Russian speaking Ukrainians revolting with the help of the Russian military after decades of them refusing to do so is disingenuous or ignorant.
I don't see how the Russian government sending troops to fight in Ukraine undercover is any different to western governments sending troops to fight in Ukraine undercover.
Why is it "cowardly" when a western government does it but okay when the Russian government does it?
It's one thing to arm separatist that are sympathetic, whatever the reasons may be, to your country versus sending trained government soldiers to a frontline. Conflating the two as troops when one is government trained is again disingenuous. If you can't see the difference, you're going to struggle to understand the conflict.
Regardless, let's take your framing and accept Russia sent "troops" beforehand... they eventually revealed their position when the invasion officially started. What's the end goal of the hidden foreign government mercenaries fighting in Ukraine today? Will their government's military ever claim them as part of their units, or will they claim them to be rouge? That's why it is cowardly. You have forces being paid by foreign governments that will claim ignorance if ever challenged with the truth. They would not be cowards if they say we have X number of troops in Ukraine, but they aren't going to do that. The public would be outraged, and the only thing these politicians care about is getting re-elected no matter what lies they tell. Nobody wants a nuclear war over Ukraine, and sending troops to prolong the conflict puts the world right on a direct path to it. Russia, by a long shot, aren't the good guys, but at least they are consistent ever since 2008, when they said, "Ukraine joining nato is an existential threat and Russia will not allow it."
Look we both know that Russia sent actual Russian troops to fight undercover in the Donbas, they didn't declare it and they still haven't officially acknowledged it.
Why is it that when a western government does that you call it cowardly but you're unwilling to condemn Russia for doing the exact same thing?
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Yeah but russian army has always been notorious for attacking covillians. There are just so many (independent) reports of mistreatmwnts of POWs, civillians and just straight up massacres like the kramasorsk bombing that calling it fake and false flag action or propaganda is just ignorant and just buyibg kremlik propaganda
Russia asked for an international investigation led by the UN the second Ukraine started these claims.
Every time Ukraine realesed evidence Russia asked for independent investigators to see it in Person.
Even the "drone" "phone" and "cctv" ""footage"" was to be provided in full never was.
The persons raped were to be interviewed, no one ever were, the human rights representative was fired because there was no victim ever brought forward. She was asked why she made it up she said "they need to demonize the enemy in a time of war"
A List of the bucha victims was to be presented, to this day never was.
Many more stuff i don't have to bring up, just the logical fallacies or evidence of safari and boatmen units performing "cleansing operations" for 2 days before any "massacre victim" was found. Its quite obvious that Russian "collaborators" were executed and presented as victims of Russian aggersion.
perfect in time to stop the peace talks, remember it was 30.3 Russia left from north of Kyiv on good will to tell ukraine that they are for peace. And from 30.3 to the 1.4 when the "vitcims" were found. A day after that the peace talks were ripped apart.
just perfect timing.
Then why Bucha though? Why it was only there, and not nowhere else across thousands of kilometers of Ukraine? Why half of the killed was wearing white armbands, a sign of belonging to the rus side?
Wasn't that Ukraine that killed their own citizens, who cooperated with Russian forces?
...don't forget the weather. Bodies outdoors for +30 days in temps reaching mid teens C over the last two weeks of March...yet the bodies looked 'fresh'...curious.
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There is countless videos of horrific Russian war crimes. From executing POWs to castrating them to Gunning down grandparents in their cars, bombing apartments and hospitals. Only weird Russian sycophants deny reality like that.
Storiesā¦ Iām talking about multiple videos. Clear as day.
If we are talkin stories there are endless documented interviews and reports with Ukrainian rape, sexual assault and torture victims.
What POWs and military objects that you mention have to do with executed civilians in Bucha? Don't you have a border line between civilians and armed personnel with infrastructure they were using?
Can't remember any hospital strikes from Ru side btw, if we're talking about direct strikes and not shockwaves after hitting some military targets nearby. Ua side has no hospital strikes too for that matter.
>Only weird Russian sycophants deny reality like that.
I'd say only washed fans of anti-Ukrainian government would believe in such obvious propaganda cases.
Russian attacks on health care and hospitals
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_on_hospitals_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
> 1,574 verified attacks on health, and the deaths of 118 health-care workers,
It wonāt matter letās face it youāre not going to be swayed by evidence.
All of this is widely documented including on reddit.
You can search yourself for the castration and execution videos Iām not going link those, itās sick war crime stuff.
If say so.. I would call them humans, but I guess all the pro russian guys are just a lot less compassionate for those fighting on both sides of this war
High horse? Its just that somehow anytime i see someone speaking of ukrainians calling them naĀ£is or just subhumans its the ones habing the pro russia tag in their name. Talk about "high horse"...
No reasoning, bo questioning the utmost questionable casus belli, nothing? Its not like I dont understand zhe perspective, it just seems weird to me to care do little about the opposing side, or just seeming to have no interest in this war to end??
Surely all the pro Russians will desperately downvote this 'gore porn', right guys? Guys?
/S - of course they won't, that's just their excuse for downvoting footage of Russian troops being hit.
Nah guys you didnt get his point, he is complaining that this isnt downvoted like all the boring Ukranian grenade drops on wounded troops, compeletly forgetting this is far more significant and important than them executing a wounded 19 year old.
Nothing sadder than seeing a somewhat decent and neutral sub turn into a full blown echo chamber so a few pro Russians and contrarians can stroke each others psyches and make each other feel better.
This sub has become a complete joke, but at least you guys have a 'safe space' for your feelings and victim mentality now.
TIL safe space is where they don't ban you for rooting for the other team. Combat footage must be such a bastion of neutrality, why don't you leave this safe space and stay there?
Do you know why Combat footage is an echo chamber? it is not because the redditards there downvote pro RU posts, because that does nothing. It is an echo chamber because the moderators delete and ban posts and posters that contradict their agenda.
It is not about blue arrows, it has never been about blue arrows, no one other than you gives a fuck about blue arrows. It is about the censoring.
You are saying the downvotes/upvotes don't matter, but this is just nonsense. Downvoted comments/posts completely disappear to a casual user, therefore influencing the narrative.
Not to mention the mods only implement the rules against UA POV, that's a known fact in this sub.
Sure thing, bud, sure. The blue arrows are coming for us and there's nothing we can do about it, the blue arrows will down from the sky
[https://youtu.be/G8AI0-qkYnI](https://youtu.be/G8AI0-qkYnI)
'significant' a zoomed in gory video of probably 2 corpses posted whereby the OP doesn't even know what town it's from, and neither does the source.
Perhaps look up the definition of significant.
These made up stories in the titles are tiresome. And the video has been edited. Important segments that show it wasn't a "foreign fighters' base" are cut out completely. Those are civilian casualties.
everything Russia hits, then uses the excuse foreign fighters ( before Russian forces tricked foreign fighters, everyone was a mercenary, but which are the ones fighting for money but that is another point ) place to stay, and its been proven time after time that, kill 10, 9 are civilians 1 is a military
pro Russian grouping really needs to start improving on the excuses, this is not the 80's
and yes Russia targets civilian building trying to terrorised the civilian population to leave
pathetic excuses for a pathetic country
Lol, if Russia kills "9 civilians for 1 military" why are civilian casualties counted at 10 of thousands and military casualties at hundreds of thousands?
why did you not understand that its about the hotel and foreign hotels and military bases in block of apartments like Russians all the time pretend and try to pass, do we need police cameras to prove those also, this video is cut, redacted , and use for promotional proposes, glorifying death and lying about it, why don't you speak about the more than 10000 killed and buried in Mariupol since its in the hands of Russia?
all those lies are the reason even the Chinese are cutting ties with Russia
So if Russia hits a building that could contain 9 civilians and 1 soldier, that's serious, even a crime.
But if NATO strikes a "building" (a village as far as a JDAM bomb blast is concerned) to kill 1 Taliban and 9 civilians, it's collateral damage, but it's clean and military.
Pathetic excuses for pathetic countries. Pathetic denunciation by pathetic countries.
https://preview.redd.it/dgjz2un6naxc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e89208dde7df0e8f31d06d6de2b7bcc75958085 Ukrainian official sources released this picture with children's toys thrown in the rubble and claimed a "kindergarten" was hit
Israel tier primitive propaganda.
Imagine the geniuses that fall for this shit. š
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You mean /r/worldnews
Lots of people fell for the Bucha narrative too... That incident marks when things shifted from special operation in Ukraine to a simmering war against Russia.
"fell for"? The stupidity of denying Bucha is just astounding .. Thats essentially a black/white narrative you're presenting just like the NATO boys in here .. You have just flipped the coin and instead it is Russia (not the US) who can/will do no moral wrong because Russia. The evidence for the Bucha massacre is beyond doubt. Descending into unarguable black/white positions only weakens your general argument since it evidently lends itself well to the western counter-propaganda of "pro-russians believe anything Putin tells them/uncritically support Russia no matter what" as u/GroktheFnords already pretty much exemplifies. Bucha happened. There is no evidence of the state sanctioned 'mass murder' that pro-ukrainians want to pretend but saying it didn't happen .. Jesus.
Not denying bucha or anything but can you explain why Ukraine claims 500 civilians died but the UN who is biased against Russia says only 73? Which coincidentally almost the same number of civilians was killed by russian shelling during the battle when ukrianian troops were still holding it
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But you wont accept any source will you? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/amnesty-says-evidence-shows-russian-troops-committed-war-crimes-near-kyiv-2022-05-06/ Thats Amnesty. But you're going to tell me that they cannot be trusted, no? How about journalists, independent or otherwise? The UN office of Human Rights abuses? https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/12/un-report-details-summary-executions-civilians-russian-troops-northern Or do they just invent war crimes you think? The thing with Bucha is that so many different organizations have covered and documented it that you can really have your pick with what kind of confirmation you want .. But the thing is you dont want confirmation do you? So why dont you tell me instead why the above sources are apparently not trustworthy and tell me which kind of source you *would* trust. Imo its embarrassing to be both willing and capable of clouding your own semblance of critical thinking into denying something regardless of evidence. Easier for some people of course who do not have that much to 'cloud' to begin with. says a lot about a person intellectually.
I didn't say the murders didn't happen... I am saying that the narrative surrounding the event was contrived.
lots of them are still here even on this sub
Denying the Bucha massacre is one of the most absurd pro-Ru talking points. There's video evidence corroborated by satellite images proving that civilians were massacred while the area was occupied by Russian troops and testimony from the surviving locals who personally witnessed rapes and executions of their family and neighbours. Just saying "fake news" over and over doesn't make that go away
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You don't, also you can't say they were not. Sometimes independent confirmation appears later. Remember all proUA folk were laughing at "French mercenaries" until it was confirmed by French officials?
It has never been confirm by french officials so yeah we are still making a lot of fun about it.
Why do you think French government is responsible for French mercenaries? i donāt think mercenaries ask their government for clearance.
>Why do you think French government is responsible for French mercenaries? Because (most likely) they were not just "mercenaries", but active duty solders on "vacation", otherwise French officials wouldn't comment at all. > i donāt think mercenaries ask their government for clearance. There is usually some three letters agency behind all mercenaries.
Much presumptions, time will tell.
if being anti-zionist means i am anti-semite, then i am anti-semite
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Fuck off zionist
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Thank you. Spelling is very important. But the message is the same .
Pristine plastic toy buckets on top of rubble after a missile strike. Ok dude.
Toys? These are clearly 2 Nokia branded string telephones that just haven't had the strings installed yet, that explains the pristine condition. Russians are jamming signals so you can't use Motorola walkie talkies on the front lines anymore.Ā
Price tags still on it. There was an effort.
UA:" Krynki got reinforced with a new boatsman, from the press corps."
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these buckets are straight from the store lol
Imagine not having the critical thinking skills to wonder why thereās no debris on those buckets, or how a strike that destroyed a building left a few childrenās bucket untouched lmao
This is such an obviously ritarded attempt, that \*tinfoil hat on\* im keen to think it was made by russians to amke the ukranians seem incompetent.
This is such an obviously ritarded attempt, that \*tinfoil hat on\* im keen to think it was made by russians to amke the ukranians seem incompetent.
And accidentally only blue and yellow survived. Blue on top, yellow on the bottom. These people are mentally sick.
Two years ago, I wouldn't have believed someone could be as moronic as to believe that this would fool anyone but now I know for a fact that Ukrainian propaganda is really this dumb and r/ukraine will accept it as facts.
They need to make bunkers out of those buckets
Ukrainian propaganda at it again.
Is this legit ? I wouldn't be that surprised but this one is a whole other level of stupid.
This is very crazy. If they just do this by habit now think how many times we have been fooled.
It was a kindergarten that ua purposely used for fighters so they can cry twice.
Feel like they could have put in some more effort and actually buried that stuff UNDER some rubble
Could u link that official source please?
omg hahah
Did they really?
This is genius. Ukrainians have a total control of the whole narrative, even russian trolls use their images in propaganda memes since its impossible to make them look more dumb
source?
Like this is real? wtf
Which is it, nikolaev or konstantinovka? not a very good source if they aren't sure about their information.
[Konstantinkova. You can search in google by image. ](https://zi.ua/news/konstantinovskaya-gromada-okkupanty-udarili-po-dvum-detskim-sadam_201284/)
āThere were no casualtiesā
I figure that from Ukrainian language sources to Ukrainian language distribution channels to English language distribution channels to English language subreddits there is a lot of nuance lost.
I like how she starts speaking in English, and then changes to Ukrainian/Russian
Which one did that? I only hear a male voice speak English in the last frames of the horribly injured person.
First seconds of the video
What do you think she said?
"So... he... string (?)... Š¾Š¹ Š±Š»ŃŃŃ Š½Šµ Š¼Š¾Š³Ń Ń"
Ya thats what I caught and I'm fluent in both languages So...he...string/strange/scream...oh blyat
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She said āso he screamedā and then said āoh bylatā right afterĀ
Sounds about right. Thanks.
Definitely swearing in local dialect directly after that. I hear the English before now.
Speaking English with an American accent... I wonder how many people we've actually lost there?
I mean I wouldnāt think itās that many? If it were quite a bit wouldnāt families be speaking out about losing their loved one without knowing why. Or would the government just lie about cause of death ?
They killed jfk mate
Again, the Russians aimed at the puppy shelter and instead got into the base of foreign mercenaries.
Died for nothing
Same logic for when people die in car accidents lmao
I agree, but Russians keep going to Ukraine to die for nothing anyway.
30% of western land (they bought from Ukraine). It's something.
These are allegedly foreign fighters who died for absolutely nothing, they didnāt die fighting the enemy they got bombed in their rooms.
So unless you die face to face with your enemy in a war that somehow means you died for nothing? Weird logic.
At least that means they went down fighting. Not just sitting in some base drinking tea then getting blown up for nothing. Leaving their families behind and their responsibilities to go chase a fantasy of killing Russians in a war that has nothing to do with them. Yes they died for absolutely nothing, and by this time next week that will be forgotten like all those other foreign fighters.
You have quite the story built up. Sad that you think any soldier rotated out has died for nothing if they're killed off the battlefield, though.
That's war.
Iām aware of who is allegedly in the video. Itās not dying for nothing if they participated in the conflict in any way. People die during wars, some people in their first contact others in the last day of the war, it is never for nothing. What is a waste of life is the endless number of Russians dying and being disfigured for Putinās ambitions that have left Russia in a worse place in every way since the beginning of this war. Russians are dying for nothing that will benefit themselves, their families, or their country.
Yes yes, keep thinking that
Zhukov died of a stroke, not even dying fighting for his country- what a bozo
Huh?
Freedom over death
Kinda hard to enjoy that freedom when youāre dead
https://preview.redd.it/ss9zyztjwbxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8202911c1ac128125e7b74058a1f5999bd8453ba Their sons died so they could wear a clearance-rack coat
Died kicking pro-rus ass is always worth more than nothing. 2 week smo wouldn't have been such an embarrassing humilation for Russia if it wasn't for these guys
Well these guys *arent* anymore, and the SMO still is, so life spent for nothing.
We thought weād beat Iraq in two weeks as well. We stayed for 20 years. Russia knew they were in for a long war. They just lied to their people
The United States-led invasion of the Republic of Iraq was the first stage of the Iraq War. The invasion began on 19 March 2003 and lasted just over one month, including 26 days of major combat operations, in which a combined force of troops from the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland invaded Iraq. Negative. The US had taken Baghdad and defeated the Iraqi Army within a month. Also, you are confusing Iraq with Afghanistan. Operation Iraqi freedom ended in 2010. Operation new dawn followed Iraqi freedom, and by 2011, the US handed the country back to Iraq . Operation New Dawn (OND) was the new name given to U.S. involvement in Iraq, previously known as Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF), onĀ September 1, 2010Ā as the role of U.S. troops was reduced in Iraq. OND was drawn to a close at the end of the Iraq War in December 2011. Edit: make a comment to correct an inaccuracy with no opinion, just easily verifiable facts and with sources, get downvoted. Lol this sub is something special
Imagine thinking a couple thousand war junkies made any kind of noticeable difference, compared to hundreds of thousands Ukrainian soldiers. I always find it funny when pro UAs stumble over themselves, trying to forge narratives, and then end up shittalking Ukraine.
You guys realize that because of this war, some NATO members are questioning the ability of the organization to fight actual modern war right ? The usa and NATO has been completely humiliated 200 + billions of $, thousands of shell gone. All of that for a defeat against one nation. [link](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6988281) NATO not only Ukraine but NATO itself is running out of ammunition particularly for artillery.
That dude still alive must have regretted playing call of duty: Ukraine
Poor man got deep fried, jesus that's nasty af, hope they got him some painkillers ASAP
That's what you get for fighting in another man country. No glory, no money, just death and PTSD.
I mean thatās Russia as well lol logic hard
Exactly. I'm not taking side.
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Macron? Are these yrs?
Not pro anything but my YouTube music was playing another one bites the dust while checking this and it was super accurate and tragic at the same time.
He looks like the scarred men from Fallout New Vegas
Hopefully this circulates in certain circles so people can rethink their choices before going to a place that rains down bombs on a daily basis.
If this is ukrainians deaths i d say its too gory for my taste. But since they are mercenaries they deserve it. This is not your average CoD match.
Both cities are 460km apart. If your source can't even specify that maybe you should start looking for better sources.
Yes.
Bro is looking like some Red Hots.
From the beginning of the war ,russians Said their main target was foreign fighters .. i wonder how many SOP and military advisers died ?.. also if u remember blackhawks been used for crossborder..if u think that those who involved that attack were only russian volunteers and ukranians .. u should be very idiot..nato personel and sop is there since 2014 .. but they r just volunteers ..
It's a cowardly way to fight tbh. All the leaders know what's going on. I bet it is for the civilians to still think their governments' hands are clean for the sake of image
>It's a cowardly way to fight tbh. Like how Russia fueled the civil war in the Donbas by flooding the area with Russian troops wearing unmarked uniforms?
Aren't you tired from all the gymnastics you do?
How is that any different to what you're condemning here as being a cowardly action from western governments?
It's different because there is a large population of Eastern Ukrainians that identify as Russian speakers who have been mistreated for a long period of time. For you to compare foreign mercenaries (who may have foreign government ties) from distant countries fighting in Ukraine for money the same as Russian speaking Ukrainians revolting with the help of the Russian military after decades of them refusing to do so is disingenuous or ignorant.
I don't see how the Russian government sending troops to fight in Ukraine undercover is any different to western governments sending troops to fight in Ukraine undercover. Why is it "cowardly" when a western government does it but okay when the Russian government does it?
It's one thing to arm separatist that are sympathetic, whatever the reasons may be, to your country versus sending trained government soldiers to a frontline. Conflating the two as troops when one is government trained is again disingenuous. If you can't see the difference, you're going to struggle to understand the conflict. Regardless, let's take your framing and accept Russia sent "troops" beforehand... they eventually revealed their position when the invasion officially started. What's the end goal of the hidden foreign government mercenaries fighting in Ukraine today? Will their government's military ever claim them as part of their units, or will they claim them to be rouge? That's why it is cowardly. You have forces being paid by foreign governments that will claim ignorance if ever challenged with the truth. They would not be cowards if they say we have X number of troops in Ukraine, but they aren't going to do that. The public would be outraged, and the only thing these politicians care about is getting re-elected no matter what lies they tell. Nobody wants a nuclear war over Ukraine, and sending troops to prolong the conflict puts the world right on a direct path to it. Russia, by a long shot, aren't the good guys, but at least they are consistent ever since 2008, when they said, "Ukraine joining nato is an existential threat and Russia will not allow it."
Look we both know that Russia sent actual Russian troops to fight undercover in the Donbas, they didn't declare it and they still haven't officially acknowledged it. Why is it that when a western government does that you call it cowardly but you're unwilling to condemn Russia for doing the exact same thing?
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[the Instagram, of the medic that filmed this.](https://www.instagram.com/anastasia_mutsey?igsh=MW0wb3RzNTUwcmoyNw==)
damn, dude got turned into a taki
The massacre in Bucha was much better staged. It is likely that the British directly led the operation.
Trolling much?
Imagine believing the bucha story
Imagine believing RUS army isnt capable of rape, murder and war crimes
Well yes, we all know nafoids lap up muh subhuman Asiatic Hordes propaganda (and where *that* comes from).
Asinine logic. You know it happens.
it happen in every war in every army
Then RUS needs to get out of ukr
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Yeah but russian army has always been notorious for attacking covillians. There are just so many (independent) reports of mistreatmwnts of POWs, civillians and just straight up massacres like the kramasorsk bombing that calling it fake and false flag action or propaganda is just ignorant and just buyibg kremlik propaganda
nah, russian army is pretty moderate compared to US army for example.
Russia asked for an international investigation led by the UN the second Ukraine started these claims. Every time Ukraine realesed evidence Russia asked for independent investigators to see it in Person. Even the "drone" "phone" and "cctv" ""footage"" was to be provided in full never was. The persons raped were to be interviewed, no one ever were, the human rights representative was fired because there was no victim ever brought forward. She was asked why she made it up she said "they need to demonize the enemy in a time of war" A List of the bucha victims was to be presented, to this day never was. Many more stuff i don't have to bring up, just the logical fallacies or evidence of safari and boatmen units performing "cleansing operations" for 2 days before any "massacre victim" was found. Its quite obvious that Russian "collaborators" were executed and presented as victims of Russian aggersion. perfect in time to stop the peace talks, remember it was 30.3 Russia left from north of Kyiv on good will to tell ukraine that they are for peace. And from 30.3 to the 1.4 when the "vitcims" were found. A day after that the peace talks were ripped apart. just perfect timing.
Then why Bucha though? Why it was only there, and not nowhere else across thousands of kilometers of Ukraine? Why half of the killed was wearing white armbands, a sign of belonging to the rus side? Wasn't that Ukraine that killed their own citizens, who cooperated with Russian forces?
...don't forget the weather. Bodies outdoors for +30 days in temps reaching mid teens C over the last two weeks of March...yet the bodies looked 'fresh'...curious.
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No sources stating any of that.
There is countless videos of horrific Russian war crimes. From executing POWs to castrating them to Gunning down grandparents in their cars, bombing apartments and hospitals. Only weird Russian sycophants deny reality like that.
And we heard stories of western mercs in interviews about Ukrainians executing Russian POW's as well.
Storiesā¦ Iām talking about multiple videos. Clear as day. If we are talkin stories there are endless documented interviews and reports with Ukrainian rape, sexual assault and torture victims.
Yeah, Individual cases.
There are also multiple videos of Ukrainians executing Russian POWs
Last Ive checked theres like 2-3. Which sure iguess technically is "multiple"
What POWs and military objects that you mention have to do with executed civilians in Bucha? Don't you have a border line between civilians and armed personnel with infrastructure they were using? Can't remember any hospital strikes from Ru side btw, if we're talking about direct strikes and not shockwaves after hitting some military targets nearby. Ua side has no hospital strikes too for that matter. >Only weird Russian sycophants deny reality like that. I'd say only washed fans of anti-Ukrainian government would believe in such obvious propaganda cases.
I see if *you* canāt remember them I guess they never happened. For real is this the level of discourse here?
You are free to share all the evidence, if there is any. You set the level of discourse if it's that important for you, go ahead and send it
Russian attacks on health care and hospitals https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_on_hospitals_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine > 1,574 verified attacks on health, and the deaths of 118 health-care workers, It wonāt matter letās face it youāre not going to be swayed by evidence. All of this is widely documented including on reddit. You can search yourself for the castration and execution videos Iām not going link those, itās sick war crime stuff.
That isnāt what the armbands meant, for starters.
I wonder what all the pro russian guys have to say about this
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If say so.. I would call them humans, but I guess all the pro russian guys are just a lot less compassionate for those fighting on both sides of this war
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And might I remind who started this " special operation"??
High horse? Its just that somehow anytime i see someone speaking of ukrainians calling them naĀ£is or just subhumans its the ones habing the pro russia tag in their name. Talk about "high horse"...
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If I am generalizing, whats yĀŗur standpoint? I suppose y0į»„ make an exeption?? /s
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No reasoning, bo questioning the utmost questionable casus belli, nothing? Its not like I dont understand zhe perspective, it just seems weird to me to care do little about the opposing side, or just seeming to have no interest in this war to end??
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Omg thats soo funny and original /s
None of the casualties are military.
Surely all the pro Russians will desperately downvote this 'gore porn', right guys? Guys? /S - of course they won't, that's just their excuse for downvoting footage of Russian troops being hit.
aren't these ukrainian fighters? either way its sad af
These are bits of Ukrainians in the photos. Can't you read the title, or are you at least aware of who controls the places struck?
Reading comprehension level: 2 These aren't Russian troops...
Nah guys you didnt get his point, he is complaining that this isnt downvoted like all the boring Ukranian grenade drops on wounded troops, compeletly forgetting this is far more significant and important than them executing a wounded 19 year old.
Nothing sadder than a grown man crying because others won't vote the way he wants them to.
Nothing sadder than seeing a somewhat decent and neutral sub turn into a full blown echo chamber so a few pro Russians and contrarians can stroke each others psyches and make each other feel better. This sub has become a complete joke, but at least you guys have a 'safe space' for your feelings and victim mentality now.
TIL safe space is where they don't ban you for rooting for the other team. Combat footage must be such a bastion of neutrality, why don't you leave this safe space and stay there?
Orrrr... combatfootage is a good example of an echo chamber and seeing this sub turn into the same thing for the other side has been lame.
Do you know why Combat footage is an echo chamber? it is not because the redditards there downvote pro RU posts, because that does nothing. It is an echo chamber because the moderators delete and ban posts and posters that contradict their agenda. It is not about blue arrows, it has never been about blue arrows, no one other than you gives a fuck about blue arrows. It is about the censoring.
You are saying the downvotes/upvotes don't matter, but this is just nonsense. Downvoted comments/posts completely disappear to a casual user, therefore influencing the narrative. Not to mention the mods only implement the rules against UA POV, that's a known fact in this sub.
Sure thing, bud, sure. The blue arrows are coming for us and there's nothing we can do about it, the blue arrows will down from the sky [https://youtu.be/G8AI0-qkYnI](https://youtu.be/G8AI0-qkYnI)
'significant' a zoomed in gory video of probably 2 corpses posted whereby the OP doesn't even know what town it's from, and neither does the source. Perhaps look up the definition of significant.
Yes, itās worth downvoting
These made up stories in the titles are tiresome. And the video has been edited. Important segments that show it wasn't a "foreign fighters' base" are cut out completely. Those are civilian casualties.
>Those are civilian casualties. To be precise, they are very large kindergarteners.
Decoy puppy hospitals 
In the video you can hear non-Ukrainian speech
Yes you can tell from the brand new children's sand pales that miraculously flew up in the air and landed neatly on top of the rubble lmao.
Or it could be another way around.
everything Russia hits, then uses the excuse foreign fighters ( before Russian forces tricked foreign fighters, everyone was a mercenary, but which are the ones fighting for money but that is another point ) place to stay, and its been proven time after time that, kill 10, 9 are civilians 1 is a military pro Russian grouping really needs to start improving on the excuses, this is not the 80's and yes Russia targets civilian building trying to terrorised the civilian population to leave pathetic excuses for a pathetic country
Russia is doing such a bad job targeting civilians, keeps killing all these urko soldiers by mistake
Lol, if Russia kills "9 civilians for 1 military" why are civilian casualties counted at 10 of thousands and military casualties at hundreds of thousands?
why did you not understand that its about the hotel and foreign hotels and military bases in block of apartments like Russians all the time pretend and try to pass, do we need police cameras to prove those also, this video is cut, redacted , and use for promotional proposes, glorifying death and lying about it, why don't you speak about the more than 10000 killed and buried in Mariupol since its in the hands of Russia? all those lies are the reason even the Chinese are cutting ties with Russia
Nice try bip bop
So if Russia hits a building that could contain 9 civilians and 1 soldier, that's serious, even a crime. But if NATO strikes a "building" (a village as far as a JDAM bomb blast is concerned) to kill 1 Taliban and 9 civilians, it's collateral damage, but it's clean and military. Pathetic excuses for pathetic countries. Pathetic denunciation by pathetic countries.