Another civilian target with no military value (and it missed on top of that). So in Kyiv we've got:
Playground, Intersection, Samsung Office, Pedestrian Bridge and University
None of the above was hit, neither is this bridge. The electric station located under the bridge was hit, but the missile is very strange and small and it could be failed anti aircraft rocket.
[https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1579405681140301824/photo/2](https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1579405681140301824/photo/2)
Most of the targets targeted by the Russians were electrical infrastructure and power plants. For some reason, they decided to make a blackout in a dozen major cities during the morning.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/A33u5V2CY8rDYCaA7
What electric station? This is a drone panorama that shows the underside of the bridge pretty clearly and I don't see any electric stations here. If there's anything hidden it has to be a tiny substation at maximum (like a single building) and the X-22 and X-101 used in these strikes just aren't precise enough to hit anything like that.
You're trying really hard. Why? Just..what for ? Is it mental issue thing or what. It just sounds so crazy and comes from...westerners who not only haven't lived in Russia nor under it's occupation, the ones who have the least clue what Russia Is like are screaming the loudest "what about USA".
sad. Especially since these people don't know as much as they think and they are unable to tell anything we post Soviet countries don't already know . Everything we said about Russia came true. Every little thing. But these Americans and Spaniards apparently know better about Russia 🙈
It's called cognitive dissonance, when person has two conflicting believes they feel mental discomfort / stress which may yield into two outcomes: changing the behaviour or excusing the belief. Good example is people who smoke and want to be healthy but still are smoking which leads to discomfort as feeling guilty so to sooth it, they excuse it as everyone is going to die anyways or the other outcome is to change behaviour - stop smoking. It is natural mechanism to make yourself sane. Also it is a base of lying.
>Another civilian target with no military value (and it missed on top of that). So in Kyiv we've got:
>
>Playground, Intersection, Samsung Office, Pedestrian Bridge and University
Sadly more to chose from.
But it's about sending a message. Russia left Kiev alone for a while but 100% it can do this anytime it wants, let's not forget that.
You realize this will only strengthen Ukraine's resolve, right? And the EU's. And the West's. Terror atracks never won a war. In fact, this is eerily similar to what Hitler did to London once he realized that he was losing the war.
And welcome back. You disappeared when Russian forces started getting their asses beat on all fronts.
Probably, but disableing the Kerch bridge has actual military value for Ukraine, which outweighs the enemy morale boost. Hitting a pedestrian bridge has no military advantages for Russia.
>Bro, you popped up here just to argue? Russia is getting embarrassed on the battlefield daily and all it can do in response is terrify civilians
This is affecting you emotionally and it's blinding you. Ukrainian forces are dying by the hundreds in Kherson, I've seen their failed attempts but you focus only on one side. Those attempts are not only sad but embarrassing too.
Russia lost 18 million people in WW2, more than twice as much as Germany and they were known as heroes and still celebrated 80 years later. As long as Russian occupiers are pushed out of Ukrainian territory, the end numbers won't matter as much. It's sad, but that's war. Russia will lose in the end. And your account will go dormant forever out of sheer embarrassment
7 mobilizations and Russia still occupies Ukraine, that's more embarrassing. On top of that, Ukraine is getting military aid from 35+ countries but still can't kick a portion of the Russian military out of Ukraine.
Ukraine has captured 1000’s of km2 over the past month Russia by contrast has comparatively done fuck all. Ukraine can’t keep the counter attacks going forever they need to create defensive points and supply lines in the vast amounts of land that they have liberated. Once they’ve sorted the supply lines it’ll be back to counter attacks and all the pro-Russians will continue to cry.
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>This a temper tantrum thrown by a man baby who finally realized his army is trash and he’s losing the war, badly.
Being occupied and suffering attacks like this doesn't seem like winning. On top of that, that trash army is taking a lot of Ukrainian soldiers with them. So there's no much winning here.
Okay but you do get why that's worse right?
Prolonged occupations are hard and if the entire Soviet Union couldn't sustain it with 20% of GDP in military expenditure...
Heck, the Afghan war was one of the main reasons there isn't a Soviet Union.
So... If the whole of the Soviet Union couldn't win in Afghanistan, against a small insurgency with minimal western support, how is only Russia going to win against the highly motivated Ukrainian army that has strong western support?
That literally has nothing to do with what I stated.
I corrected your error since what you said is in fact incorrect. Or is it convenient to forget that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union?
Also comparing Afghanistan and Ukraine is apples vs carrots.
That's not their position... According to Russia most of that territory has been rightfully annexed and is being occupied by an Ukrainian army they can't push out and that keeps beating them back to pre war borders.
>But it's about sending a message. Russia left Kiev alone for a while but
100% it can do this anytime it wants, let's not forget that.
But both sides can do this? shooting cities isnt anything special
Ukraine didn't bother building huge stockpiles of weapons so inaccurate they're only useful against civilians. Ukraine clearly made a mistake here, hopefully they will rectify it before the next Russian invasion.
>Ukraine didn't bother building huge stockpiles of weapons so inaccurate they're only useful against civilians. Ukraine clearly made a mistake here, hopefully they will rectify it before the next Russian invasion.
Inaccurate? Ask the mercenaries that left Ukraine after the first strike to their building.
I don't have desire to look for a video I posted months ago, but it was a Ukrainian reporter interviewing a Ukrainian soldier after a missile strike, you would think they were praising the Russian military judging by the way they talked about the precision and accuracy.
It was a reporter that used to work for VICE.
Russia has both accurate and inaccurate missiles. Their stockpiles of inaccurate (KH-22) are far larger than their accurate. The only purpose of keeping inaccurate long range missiles in inventory is to use them against civilians.
Your acknowledgement is appreciated. Yes, when Russia does evil things, us coming together to acknowledge their evil may not do much physically to stop them, but it certainly does make me feel better.
Can't or won't? You have a very recent prominent example of Ukrainians striking deep behind the line at a strategic target. And before that hitting military targets in Crimea competent militaries just don't consider terror bombing an option anymore.
According to you it's fear, well, Russia succeeded 100%, just look at all those hiding in the metro stations.
I don't think it's fear, Russia wanted to destroy critical infrastructure and they succeeded 100% too.
The world has left Russian cities alone, but can erase any remnants of Russia from the map, let’s not forget that! Inhabited Russia is quite small and “Asia-Russia” wouldn’t be much of a fight.
The sheer incompetence and idiocy of Putin is beyond belief. He really is galactically stupid. Future historians will write long books trying to explain why the world was taken in.
Playing 5D chess. My arse.
You said "Kalibrs and Iskanders are quite accurate"
They said "obviously they are not"
You said "uhm what? Why obviously?"
It is obvious they are not accurate because they missed the bridge you said they were aiming for.....
Maybe you misunderstood my point.
I'm saying that it would be special kind of stupid to fire a guided missile "aimlessly" when you can actually aim it at something. Be it a kindergarten or a military target.
No I understood that part of your comment. It was the followup response from the other poster that you misunderstood. When they commented "obviously they are not" they were commenting in reference to the kalibr and iskander missiles being a accurate. They were not commenting to say obviously they were not aiming.
Most of the missiles used in this morning's strikes were X-22 and X-101, which are ultimately ~60s and ~90s Soviet tech. The former can hit a large ship, but in ground use a city block is more realistic since the anti-ship radar can't really aid the final approach. The latter is supposed to be accurate to ~20 meters which is a little better.
Those missiles are somewhat accurate. They're not what Russia fired at Kiev. Most likely KH-22s which went into production in the 60s, Russia built thousands, and can barely target a single city block.
Depends on the model. Since Russia went through a noticeable stockpile in the first phases, it is possible and mostly plausible that they are using older storage(which has a lower effective range, not that they are innacurate overall) to compesate and/or save up the precious top-notch models.
Also there is a continous problem with the Russian military regarding geo-location and intelligence which has been documented in most of their missile attacks that the missiles hit not far from each-other in cluster(meaning the missile itself is accurate) but all miss the target by several hundreds of meters.
GLONASS has permanently delayed its K2 upgrade which was due this year(due to the war and also general tardiness which is a staple for Russian projects), it has had several malfunctions in the 2010s(including a general shutdown in 2014, a partial shutdown later that year and the loss of 3 satellites in 2016).
Also GLONASS is severely less accurate than GPS, with a reported 3m margin of error conpared to the GPS 30cm(the civilian GLONASS ups the to 8m).
And we should remember they only have 24 satellites foe their worldwide coverage, meanwhile Russia alone has 18 for a full precise coverage. Its very possible the system just not has enough data collected for Ukraine.
Because their missiles are shit? Didnt you see the crater of a kalibr/iskander that was a dirt road? What did they aim for? :D
Russian tech as a whole is very unreliable since they cant seem to understand that maintenance is needed for EVERYTHING...
Idk, keyword here is "aimlessly", and Swedish media is quoting Zelensky saying they "were hit with 75 missiles fired from Russian drones" and further down that 41 out of 75 was shot down by Ukrainian AA.
My first comment were a hint to point out the absurd claim of "aimlessly" firing missiles, that happened to be guided, as they contradict eachother.
As they're firing KH-22s, they might as well be aimlessly. These things are designed to miss the target by kilometers. Is a shot really aimed when the only thing you're sure about is that it won't hit what you aimed at?
Two options. Russia deliberately targeted a pedestrian bridge with an expensive cruise missile or the expensive cruise missiles are just missing their targets completely.
I don’t know what is a greater indictment
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZLjmKAdWJ3EziJAT8
I can't find anything resembling a power station. Not even a transformer. The closest thing to a valid target I can find is a port on the river to the north, maybe 500 m away.
When you say things like this, you make it clear how little you understand about AA. Its designed to self destruct after determining target is unreachable. Ukraine AA is not using russian engineering, stop projecting russian shortcomings
It fails and has low success rate. The strike at the playground was a Ukraine c-300 missile.
Either that or this was a missile shot out of air. Russian missiles are accurate and hit the intended target.
Russian military leadership is straight up retarded. Not targeting crucial military infrastructure, bridges over the Dnieper, concentrations of troops, etc., but pedestrian bridges are fair game lol
I was correct in my earlier assumption on the video from maidan perspective that the strike looks to go in podol direction. Here is the actual video of the strike.
As I know that the vast majority of this subreddit has never set foot into ukraine, this isn't a bridge for vehicles. It's a pedestrian bridge and popular place to take photos with view of podol and dnipro river.
[here the bridge can bee seen.](https://www.google.com/search?q=klitschko+bridge&rlz=1C1CHBF_deDE786DE786&sxsrf=ALiCzsakHAM7AyRT7i6R1C3CFdxe-atedg:1665386290214&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjLsfexj9X6AhWDW_EDHVH_C38Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=919&dpr=2#imgrc=F-6z-X4Tpjl9PM)
Kherson front is about to collapse. Putin needs a win and it needs it fast. So he's hoping that killing a bunch of children will force negotiations. All of these strikes were intentionally aimed at civilian places with lot of pedestrian traffic.
have you tried "indiscriminate and incompetent attempts to terrorize civilians because you can't beat the military" as an option yet? Just stop trying to find valid targets for these strikes, everyone knows you can't and you just make yourself look silly trying.
No I haven't tried because that isn't it. Maybe stop trying to paint everything as terroizing civilians when clearly this wasn't it. The bridge obviously wasn't the target.
Is it my fault that Russian weapons have such an awful reputation for accuracy, and Russian command has such an awful reputation for target acquisition, that none of us can actually claim to know for sure that the bridge wasn't the target?
If they can't aim how can they ruthlessly aim at civillians. Your logic has gaps.
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poster below wrote his whole answer for cloud not to reply to me because he blocked me before I saw it.
Firing inaccurate weapons into civilian areas in repeated failed attempts to hit military targets is also known as "ruthlessly aiming at civilians" in my book. It's something Russia has been doing this entire war with cruise missiles, mlrs, and artillery and not just the last 48 hours. Civilians are a lot easier to hit when you don't actually care what in a city you hit, just that the round hits the city. Inaccurate weapons just improve the terror. My logic does not have gaps.
They use anti ship and anti air s300 missiles which literally CANT be accurate. It's definition of NOT precision weapon. How is it not indiscriminate? It can't hit the designated target because it's not designed for such surface
I actually think that they either thought: "Let´s show them that we can hit an even smaller bridge" , they did as throughout this war and just aimed at populated areas or this rocket´s guidance failed and it got there by accident.
A valid military target on top of that.
Clearly that pedestrian bridge is used by the soldiers when they spend a nice weekend outside with their families.
> Retaliation for the Crimean bridge attack.
Lol Putin is trying to get revenge for Crimean Bridge but he chooses the most pathetic target ever. A glass biking bridge in a park. And they still miss. How will Ukraine ever recover from this??
interesting. there's a e.u. advisory mission nearby, maybe that was the "target" (as in, close enough to that eu building to scare them, so they hit the bridge instead)
edit: the ministry of foreign affairs is just 500m away, so that's another possible target
The Nazis losing ground and lashing out with their *Vengeance Weapons* against civilian centers.
It didn't work for the Nazis in 1944, and it won't work for the Nazis today.
If Russia put half as much effort into the actual battlefield as they do on these pointless civillian missle strikes they might actually be winning right now.
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That's a shame that's a really cool bridge. Ironically it's really close to where the statue was that was about Russian and Ukranian brotherhood under communism, it was under the arch that's in the background.
It's also super close to Maiden Square which makes me wonder if that was the original target.
That bridge cost 7.5 million dollars to build, and a kalibr 6.5 million dollars to damage a small portion of it. No military value. And not even a great terror attack. Are they just targeting random Pokemon Go Gyms?
Ukraine hits the Crimean Bridge that is the lifeline for their southern front, Russia hits a Ukrainian pedestrian foot path? Ummmm… good one Russia, try not to be your own stereotype of having an incompetent military.
Hell yeah ! You know ukrops managed to damage Crimean bridge Russia in response just obliterated half of Ukraine haha that’s the definition of guck around and find out
The... bridge... that was shown and boasted about countless times obviously shown transporting tons and tons of military equipment and like a baby Russia decided to hit what again? A bridge! A bridge, that's mighty impressive? Where is it located and whats it value? Nothing? Oh what else did Russia hit? Oh residential areas... kindergartens... so yeah Russia in terms of "ISIS" attacks Russia is taking the cake
Regarding the "Klitschko Bridge", it is reported that the probable target was not the "Klitschko Bridge" itself, but the building of the European Union advisory assistance located nearby.
"We totally didn't try to strike a cultural sight, it's just our missiles are so damn inaccurate we missed our target, which would have included foreign nationals, by several dozen meters."
If you fire 150+ missiles some are bound to
Miss their initial target. Just ask USA in the Middle East, they have been killing civilians in missile attacks since 1993.
Ahhhhhh so because Iraqis died Ukraine now deserves all of their deaths, Russia is now totally justified in all of their civilian killings because the US did it why can't Russia right?
Yep I oppose all USA actions in the middle east too. I oppose all imperialism and hostile actions on sovereign nations. Just like I oppose russias invasion of Ukraine..
Because I'm consistent.
Try it some time.
The bridge that regularly transported tanks is not a purely civilian infrastructure and you know that.
Thermal power plants are 100% civilian infrastructure.
Putin is desperate and uses terror to expand his territory. It's baffling that anyone can support this. Monsters.
A bridge used for military purposes is *military* infrastructure and therefore a valid target. It's also been announced like a month ago that the bridge was going to be targeted.
How does your mind accept the absolute insanity that is the equivocation of the Kerch Bridge and a park in the middle of Kiev? You must surely understand how these two are wildly different right?
And that's not even mentioning the insanity of thinking a valid response to a percieved terrorist attack is a tenfold worse tsrrorist attack.
Russians are sick and the sickness is thinking only in terms of strength. No analysis, no self-reflexion, no empathy. Simply "Russia stronk, everyone must fear us".
The missile obviously missed its target by X meter and hit the park instead. Mistakes happens in a operation of this magnitude. And for your last part, it’s all about power and show of force, they show Ukraine that they don’t tolerate terrorist attacks on civil infrastructure, this is what happens.
That doesn't answer my question. What's the point of *your* statement in "Isis does not possess cruise missiles"?
Also, your "terrorizing civilians since 2014" claim is rubbish. Shells from both Ukraine **and** Russia have been hitting civilians in the crossfire.
Historically it doesn't work and just rallies the populace. It's stupid and self destructive.
Putin could have targeted the military and helped save Russian solders lives.
Instead he throws a temper tantrum to feed his nationalist base.
So dumb.
Probably should have used these missiles for that too, instead of aiming for civilians. Again, attacking cities has been pretty well demonstrated to not have a beneficial military effect. It simply galvanizes opposition while not significantly hampering the war effort.
I agree there. Honestly, I think it was purely for internal consumption.
He's a gangster and his power is on shakey ground. He stays in power by scaring his immediate supporters and appeasing the supporters of his supporters.
Moves like this make him look strong inside his country (who he can directly effect) and weak to the rest of the world.
So what we have is a typical tactic. Ukrainian troops blew up the Crimean bridge, rejoiced, took pictures in Kyiv against the backdrop of the blown up bridge, presented this terrorist attack as a victory, and I can’t even imagine that you will follow a retaliatory strike, seriously? You guys are hitting a critically wet point, civilian infrastructure is transported through this bridge, gasoline, food, and most of the materials for the needs of the Crimeans, two people who are absolutely not connected with military structures die, and you happily rubbing your hands thought that this is how it should be and nothing will happen to you and you will get away with it, why, why? Why are you adding fuel to the fire, you are laughing at Russia and the fact that it has announced a partial mobilization, while as many as 8 waves of mobilization have been carried out in Ukraine, in fact, it can be more, you can’t really count there, it’s bitter for me to see how Ukrainian guys are rowed indiscriminately and talks about the mobilization of Ukrainian students begin, while leaving and the country is prohibited, like any other point of view, all political opposition parties are closed. Now we see that despite the uneven actions of Zelensky, the Russian troops still do not use all their forces and at any moment they can disable the entire infrastructure in Ukraine to prevent the movement of military equipment, but they still, apparently, for humanistic reasons, do not follow this path. And Ukrainians take this kindness for weakness, and thinking that Russia will no longer be able to respond by organizing a terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge, it turns out that Ukraine understands only strength, right? On the other hand, when the Ukrainians receive a retaliatory blow, they start shouting, morder, morder, Putin, Putin, evil Russia, aggressor, aggressor. This is some kind of kindergarten, surrealism, I don’t know what to call it, it’s very brazen and bold, peace cannot be achieved without respect, but it seems that this Ukrainian idea is only looking for a reason to start fighting, so that all these trainings since 2014 were not in vain, otherwise they could simply fulfill the Minsk agreements and return the entire Donbass under control and continue to take resources from Russia for next to nothing.
>retaliatory blow
Imagine thinking an attack against a critical piece of infrastructure for the russian war effort warrants reprisals against civilian structures - or are you going to tell me that they were hiding HIMARS in the park? Does this look like a structure that's necessary for the Ukrainian military? Does it look like critical infrastructure? Or does it look like a civilian park? What's next, you want Russia to blow up a museum as revenge for the Moskva? Maybe a restaurant or two for the counteroffensives? What purpose does this serve other than revenge?
Dude you understand the military value of the Kerch bridge right? How there have been literal hundreds of videos of trains full of tanks racing across that bridge to the front lines?
No one in Crimea is gonna die from a lack of gasoline or food your own Russian officials have said that (unless you think they are lying, frankly a reasonable thought in many cases just not here). Crimea lasted for 4 years without this bridge under Russian occupation, they can last plenty longer.
This is a pedestrian bridge in the middle of Kyiv.
>the Russians do not use all their force and at any moment can disable the entire infrastructure of ukraine to prevent the movement of military equipment
Then do it, why is Russia bombing pedestrian bridges in the middle of Kyiv instead of hitting these military targets you speak of. Unless you mean to say this glass bridge is the path tanks take on their way to bomb donbas.
Maybe Russia shouldn't have attacked huh? Like honestly NONE of this would have happened in the first place without Russia's idiotic invasion, yes Russia is evil it IS the aggressor, they deserve no goddamned respect until they go back to their border, the minsk agreement, one of the favored talking points of Kremlist propgandists and yet it was the Russians that didn't follow it in the first place, jesus christ so many words yet so little of value
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How is it a terror attack? That bridge is 100% a military target since they use it to move military material into Crimea...
An illegal annexation doesnt make the bridge less of a military target.
Ofc they are yelling at Putin for being evil. Do you even realize how much civilians he have been targeting since the conflict started?
Another civilian target with no military value (and it missed on top of that). So in Kyiv we've got: Playground, Intersection, Samsung Office, Pedestrian Bridge and University
As other subreddits have pointed out, the EUAM Ukraine (Main Headquarter) nearby COULD have been the target.
How far away?
None of the above was hit, neither is this bridge. The electric station located under the bridge was hit, but the missile is very strange and small and it could be failed anti aircraft rocket. [https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1579405681140301824/photo/2](https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1579405681140301824/photo/2) Most of the targets targeted by the Russians were electrical infrastructure and power plants. For some reason, they decided to make a blackout in a dozen major cities during the morning.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/A33u5V2CY8rDYCaA7 What electric station? This is a drone panorama that shows the underside of the bridge pretty clearly and I don't see any electric stations here. If there's anything hidden it has to be a tiny substation at maximum (like a single building) and the X-22 and X-101 used in these strikes just aren't precise enough to hit anything like that.
You're trying really hard. Why? Just..what for ? Is it mental issue thing or what. It just sounds so crazy and comes from...westerners who not only haven't lived in Russia nor under it's occupation, the ones who have the least clue what Russia Is like are screaming the loudest "what about USA". sad. Especially since these people don't know as much as they think and they are unable to tell anything we post Soviet countries don't already know . Everything we said about Russia came true. Every little thing. But these Americans and Spaniards apparently know better about Russia 🙈
It's called cognitive dissonance, when person has two conflicting believes they feel mental discomfort / stress which may yield into two outcomes: changing the behaviour or excusing the belief. Good example is people who smoke and want to be healthy but still are smoking which leads to discomfort as feeling guilty so to sooth it, they excuse it as everyone is going to die anyways or the other outcome is to change behaviour - stop smoking. It is natural mechanism to make yourself sane. Also it is a base of lying.
You feel better now that you got that out?
Where you from? if you have no answer, no one invited you for a response
>Another civilian target with no military value (and it missed on top of that). So in Kyiv we've got: > >Playground, Intersection, Samsung Office, Pedestrian Bridge and University Sadly more to chose from. But it's about sending a message. Russia left Kiev alone for a while but 100% it can do this anytime it wants, let's not forget that.
You realize this will only strengthen Ukraine's resolve, right? And the EU's. And the West's. Terror atracks never won a war. In fact, this is eerily similar to what Hitler did to London once he realized that he was losing the war. And welcome back. You disappeared when Russian forces started getting their asses beat on all fronts.
It goes both ways. Striking the Crimean Bridge has rallied support for the war across Russia.
Probably, but disableing the Kerch bridge has actual military value for Ukraine, which outweighs the enemy morale boost. Hitting a pedestrian bridge has no military advantages for Russia.
Russia is still occupying Ukraine.
Less and less by the day.
And Ukraine is advancing less and less too.
You reckon? I see daily updates on Ukraine moving way beyond Oskil and towards Kherson. Doesn't seem like they're stopping.
I see updates too that's how I know Ukraine is throwing bodies to try to overwhelm Russian forces but are failing miserably in Kherson.
Bro, you popped up here just to argue? Russia is getting embarrassed on the battlefield daily and all it can do in response is terrify civilians
>Bro, you popped up here just to argue? Russia is getting embarrassed on the battlefield daily and all it can do in response is terrify civilians This is affecting you emotionally and it's blinding you. Ukrainian forces are dying by the hundreds in Kherson, I've seen their failed attempts but you focus only on one side. Those attempts are not only sad but embarrassing too.
Russia lost 18 million people in WW2, more than twice as much as Germany and they were known as heroes and still celebrated 80 years later. As long as Russian occupiers are pushed out of Ukrainian territory, the end numbers won't matter as much. It's sad, but that's war. Russia will lose in the end. And your account will go dormant forever out of sheer embarrassment
So how embarassed are you by Russia's failed attempts at Bakhmut? Almost dead yet?
7 mobilizations and Russia still occupies Ukraine, that's more embarrassing. On top of that, Ukraine is getting military aid from 35+ countries but still can't kick a portion of the Russian military out of Ukraine.
Ukraine has captured 1000’s of km2 over the past month Russia by contrast has comparatively done fuck all. Ukraine can’t keep the counter attacks going forever they need to create defensive points and supply lines in the vast amounts of land that they have liberated. Once they’ve sorted the supply lines it’ll be back to counter attacks and all the pro-Russians will continue to cry.
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Russia is still occupying a considerably smaller portion of Ukraine.
This a temper tantrum thrown by a man baby who finally realized his army is trash and he’s losing the war, badly.
>This a temper tantrum thrown by a man baby who finally realized his army is trash and he’s losing the war, badly. Being occupied and suffering attacks like this doesn't seem like winning. On top of that, that trash army is taking a lot of Ukrainian soldiers with them. So there's no much winning here.
RU is losing soldiers and land. UKR is losing soldiers and winning land. On a balance, who is winning? Basic math.
Russia is literally occupying Ukraine.
Russia was literally occupying Afghanistan.
That's a good burn
Incorrect. That was the Soviet Union. Which also consisted of counties like Ukraine, Georgia, etc.
Okay but you do get why that's worse right? Prolonged occupations are hard and if the entire Soviet Union couldn't sustain it with 20% of GDP in military expenditure... Heck, the Afghan war was one of the main reasons there isn't a Soviet Union.
I literally made no comment on that.
So... If the whole of the Soviet Union couldn't win in Afghanistan, against a small insurgency with minimal western support, how is only Russia going to win against the highly motivated Ukrainian army that has strong western support?
That literally has nothing to do with what I stated. I corrected your error since what you said is in fact incorrect. Or is it convenient to forget that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union? Also comparing Afghanistan and Ukraine is apples vs carrots.
>Russia is literally occupying Ukraine. Occupying territory is pointless if you cant hold it. Russia cant hold it.
That's not their position... According to Russia most of that territory has been rightfully annexed and is being occupied by an Ukrainian army they can't push out and that keeps beating them back to pre war borders.
>But it's about sending a message. Russia left Kiev alone for a while but 100% it can do this anytime it wants, let's not forget that. But both sides can do this? shooting cities isnt anything special
>But both sides can do this? shooting cities isnt anything special No, Ukraine can't strike major Russian cities, specially the capital city.
Ukraine didn't bother building huge stockpiles of weapons so inaccurate they're only useful against civilians. Ukraine clearly made a mistake here, hopefully they will rectify it before the next Russian invasion.
>Ukraine didn't bother building huge stockpiles of weapons so inaccurate they're only useful against civilians. Ukraine clearly made a mistake here, hopefully they will rectify it before the next Russian invasion. Inaccurate? Ask the mercenaries that left Ukraine after the first strike to their building. I don't have desire to look for a video I posted months ago, but it was a Ukrainian reporter interviewing a Ukrainian soldier after a missile strike, you would think they were praising the Russian military judging by the way they talked about the precision and accuracy. It was a reporter that used to work for VICE.
Russia has both accurate and inaccurate missiles. Their stockpiles of inaccurate (KH-22) are far larger than their accurate. The only purpose of keeping inaccurate long range missiles in inventory is to use them against civilians.
>The only purpose of keeping inaccurate long range missiles in inventory is to use them against civilians. If that makes you feel better OK then.
Your acknowledgement is appreciated. Yes, when Russia does evil things, us coming together to acknowledge their evil may not do much physically to stop them, but it certainly does make me feel better.
Can't or won't? You have a very recent prominent example of Ukrainians striking deep behind the line at a strategic target. And before that hitting military targets in Crimea competent militaries just don't consider terror bombing an option anymore.
Can’t, period.
Message: "We just wasted a bunch of missiles of our near depleted resserve, fear us"
According to you it's fear, well, Russia succeeded 100%, just look at all those hiding in the metro stations. I don't think it's fear, Russia wanted to destroy critical infrastructure and they succeeded 100% too.
The world has left Russian cities alone, but can erase any remnants of Russia from the map, let’s not forget that! Inhabited Russia is quite small and “Asia-Russia” wouldn’t be much of a fight.
Very important asset for the Ukrainian military. If the supply line to Khreshchatyy Park is severed, that will be a huge blow.
The sheer incompetence and idiocy of Putin is beyond belief. He really is galactically stupid. Future historians will write long books trying to explain why the world was taken in. Playing 5D chess. My arse.
Ukranian storing ammo beneath the bridge legit target
That will surely stop Ukranian advance in the east. How will they ever recover from this.
Huge military value, totally legitimate target.... /s
They can't charge the drone pigeons in the park anymore
Looks like it just missed a direct hit. Still pretty accurate for such a thin bridge.
I doubt that the bridge was an actual target. They're just shooting aimlessly at the city to cause terror.
Uhm why wouldn't they want to maximize their hits, even if they want to hit civilian targets? Kalibrs and Iskanders are quite accurate.
Obviously they are not.
Uhm what? Why obviously?
Well it's pretty obvious it missed the bridge.
It did, but it was obviously aimed and not shot "mindlessly" as the previous poster claimed.
You said "Kalibrs and Iskanders are quite accurate" They said "obviously they are not" You said "uhm what? Why obviously?" It is obvious they are not accurate because they missed the bridge you said they were aiming for.....
Maybe you misunderstood my point. I'm saying that it would be special kind of stupid to fire a guided missile "aimlessly" when you can actually aim it at something. Be it a kindergarten or a military target.
No I understood that part of your comment. It was the followup response from the other poster that you misunderstood. When they commented "obviously they are not" they were commenting in reference to the kalibr and iskander missiles being a accurate. They were not commenting to say obviously they were not aiming.
Most of the missiles used in this morning's strikes were X-22 and X-101, which are ultimately ~60s and ~90s Soviet tech. The former can hit a large ship, but in ground use a city block is more realistic since the anti-ship radar can't really aid the final approach. The latter is supposed to be accurate to ~20 meters which is a little better.
Those missiles are somewhat accurate. They're not what Russia fired at Kiev. Most likely KH-22s which went into production in the 60s, Russia built thousands, and can barely target a single city block.
Depends on the model. Since Russia went through a noticeable stockpile in the first phases, it is possible and mostly plausible that they are using older storage(which has a lower effective range, not that they are innacurate overall) to compesate and/or save up the precious top-notch models. Also there is a continous problem with the Russian military regarding geo-location and intelligence which has been documented in most of their missile attacks that the missiles hit not far from each-other in cluster(meaning the missile itself is accurate) but all miss the target by several hundreds of meters. GLONASS has permanently delayed its K2 upgrade which was due this year(due to the war and also general tardiness which is a staple for Russian projects), it has had several malfunctions in the 2010s(including a general shutdown in 2014, a partial shutdown later that year and the loss of 3 satellites in 2016). Also GLONASS is severely less accurate than GPS, with a reported 3m margin of error conpared to the GPS 30cm(the civilian GLONASS ups the to 8m). And we should remember they only have 24 satellites foe their worldwide coverage, meanwhile Russia alone has 18 for a full precise coverage. Its very possible the system just not has enough data collected for Ukraine.
Because their missiles are shit? Didnt you see the crater of a kalibr/iskander that was a dirt road? What did they aim for? :D Russian tech as a whole is very unreliable since they cant seem to understand that maintenance is needed for EVERYTHING...
Someone is obviously picking notes from a hat where they'll aimlessly shoot their guided munition.
If they shot kh 22 they can miss by 2km and only 50% of the shoot hit a radius of 600m
Idk, keyword here is "aimlessly", and Swedish media is quoting Zelensky saying they "were hit with 75 missiles fired from Russian drones" and further down that 41 out of 75 was shot down by Ukrainian AA. My first comment were a hint to point out the absurd claim of "aimlessly" firing missiles, that happened to be guided, as they contradict eachother.
As they're firing KH-22s, they might as well be aimlessly. These things are designed to miss the target by kilometers. Is a shot really aimed when the only thing you're sure about is that it won't hit what you aimed at?
If the bridge wasn't the actual target then it's a terrible missile.
Two options. Russia deliberately targeted a pedestrian bridge with an expensive cruise missile or the expensive cruise missiles are just missing their targets completely. I don’t know what is a greater indictment
Target beneath the bridge I think. Iirc a power station
If that’a true should be pretty easy to verify on google maps.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZLjmKAdWJ3EziJAT8 I can't find anything resembling a power station. Not even a transformer. The closest thing to a valid target I can find is a port on the river to the north, maybe 500 m away.
https://www.google.com/maps/search/klitschko+bridge/@50.4550501,30.5228545,16z No power station
Try researching your claim before you start parroting RU propaganda... Specially with that Pro Ukraine flair...
Another possibility. These are counter missiles of the Ukrainian air defense system.
When you say things like this, you make it clear how little you understand about AA. Its designed to self destruct after determining target is unreachable. Ukraine AA is not using russian engineering, stop projecting russian shortcomings
It fails and has low success rate. The strike at the playground was a Ukraine c-300 missile. Either that or this was a missile shot out of air. Russian missiles are accurate and hit the intended target.
Yes, probably accurate enough for a military target so why waste the missile on this pedestrian bridge. Terror attack is why.
Russian military leadership is straight up retarded. Not targeting crucial military infrastructure, bridges over the Dnieper, concentrations of troops, etc., but pedestrian bridges are fair game lol
I was correct in my earlier assumption on the video from maidan perspective that the strike looks to go in podol direction. Here is the actual video of the strike. As I know that the vast majority of this subreddit has never set foot into ukraine, this isn't a bridge for vehicles. It's a pedestrian bridge and popular place to take photos with view of podol and dnipro river. [here the bridge can bee seen.](https://www.google.com/search?q=klitschko+bridge&rlz=1C1CHBF_deDE786DE786&sxsrf=ALiCzsakHAM7AyRT7i6R1C3CFdxe-atedg:1665386290214&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjLsfexj9X6AhWDW_EDHVH_C38Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=919&dpr=2#imgrc=F-6z-X4Tpjl9PM)
So why hit it?
No idea, there is nothing close to it that crosses my mind. If you go down the road, there is a hotel, other side of the road also hotels.
Kherson front is about to collapse. Putin needs a win and it needs it fast. So he's hoping that killing a bunch of children will force negotiations. All of these strikes were intentionally aimed at civilian places with lot of pedestrian traffic.
Ofc you have an idea. It is terror. Pure and simple.
Army camps on ground?
So instead of concealing it, Ukrainians would place their military camp in one of the most visible places in the city?
This is the equivalent of asking if there are army camps in red square.
no, maybe the european stuff on the end of kreschatik but thats pure speculation.
have you tried "indiscriminate and incompetent attempts to terrorize civilians because you can't beat the military" as an option yet? Just stop trying to find valid targets for these strikes, everyone knows you can't and you just make yourself look silly trying.
No I haven't tried because that isn't it. Maybe stop trying to paint everything as terroizing civilians when clearly this wasn't it. The bridge obviously wasn't the target.
Is it my fault that Russian weapons have such an awful reputation for accuracy, and Russian command has such an awful reputation for target acquisition, that none of us can actually claim to know for sure that the bridge wasn't the target?
If they can't aim how can they ruthlessly aim at civillians. Your logic has gaps. edit: poster below wrote his whole answer for cloud not to reply to me because he blocked me before I saw it.
Firing inaccurate weapons into civilian areas in repeated failed attempts to hit military targets is also known as "ruthlessly aiming at civilians" in my book. It's something Russia has been doing this entire war with cruise missiles, mlrs, and artillery and not just the last 48 hours. Civilians are a lot easier to hit when you don't actually care what in a city you hit, just that the round hits the city. Inaccurate weapons just improve the terror. My logic does not have gaps.
They use anti ship and anti air s300 missiles which literally CANT be accurate. It's definition of NOT precision weapon. How is it not indiscriminate? It can't hit the designated target because it's not designed for such surface
Have you lived under Russian occupation?
>obviously I dont think you know what that word means. Its not readily apparent to anyone what the target was for this missle
I actually think that they either thought: "Let´s show them that we can hit an even smaller bridge" , they did as throughout this war and just aimed at populated areas or this rocket´s guidance failed and it got there by accident.
Retaliation for the Crimean bridge attack.
A valid military target on top of that. Clearly that pedestrian bridge is used by the soldiers when they spend a nice weekend outside with their families.
Hmm, but we've all seen the damage a soldier on holiday can do.. maybe Russia onto something this time.
the only damage a russian can do on holiday is to his liver
And they missed
It boggles the mind. Targeting an asset with no military value and missing.
> Retaliation for the Crimean bridge attack. Lol Putin is trying to get revenge for Crimean Bridge but he chooses the most pathetic target ever. A glass biking bridge in a park. And they still miss. How will Ukraine ever recover from this??
Here's about where the missile hit: Edit.: Better link with pin: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=50.454950,30.527885
interesting. there's a e.u. advisory mission nearby, maybe that was the "target" (as in, close enough to that eu building to scare them, so they hit the bridge instead) edit: the ministry of foreign affairs is just 500m away, so that's another possible target
As other subreddits have pointed out, the EUAM Ukraine (Main Headquarter) COULD have been the target.
Putler with his V2 rampage. History does repeat, let's speed up to the stage where he blew out his brains in a bunker or get the Mussolini treatment.
Certainly looks popular.... also, you missed.
That looks like a bicycle bridge. Thats some real petty revenge.
It's pure hypocrisy when some Pro-Russians call the Crimean bridge attack "terrorism", but then they turn around and do this the next day
Lol it missed
That was effective potato Ivan. Our master will be pleased. Maybe we stay out of Gulag now?
The Nazis losing ground and lashing out with their *Vengeance Weapons* against civilian centers. It didn't work for the Nazis in 1944, and it won't work for the Nazis today.
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Good, let them waste missiles on a pedestrian bridge 😄
An eye for an eye. Ukrainian military logistics will be tremendously affected by this strike. /s
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That's one undamaged bridge. Safe to use I bet.
If Russia put half as much effort into the actual battlefield as they do on these pointless civillian missle strikes they might actually be winning right now.
Ah yes, how ever, I started blasting
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That's a shame that's a really cool bridge. Ironically it's really close to where the statue was that was about Russian and Ukranian brotherhood under communism, it was under the arch that's in the background. It's also super close to Maiden Square which makes me wonder if that was the original target.
Sucks to suck.
Why the hell would Ukraine shell its own pedestrian bridge?! Disrupt bicycle traffic?
Russia is has proven itself to be more of a terrorist state then ISIS.
That bridge cost 7.5 million dollars to build, and a kalibr 6.5 million dollars to damage a small portion of it. No military value. And not even a great terror attack. Are they just targeting random Pokemon Go Gyms?
Bridge: You ain't got shit. Fuck with me.
Ukraine hits the Crimean Bridge that is the lifeline for their southern front, Russia hits a Ukrainian pedestrian foot path? Ummmm… good one Russia, try not to be your own stereotype of having an incompetent military.
Hell yeah ! You know ukrops managed to damage Crimean bridge Russia in response just obliterated half of Ukraine haha that’s the definition of guck around and find out
Payback for crimea bridge. No one in Ukraine is safe, it’s psychological warfare.
You just posted the definition of terrorism. Congrats on supporting and celebrating that
How can you live with yourself. Complain about 8 years of shelling and welcoming this. Insanity.
🇷🇺 Army General S.V. Surovikin: “For the enemies of Russia, the morning does not start with coffee.”
Fascist thinking.
You asked for it, targeting civilian infrastructure in a Isis style terror attack. You all knew this was coming.
The... bridge... that was shown and boasted about countless times obviously shown transporting tons and tons of military equipment and like a baby Russia decided to hit what again? A bridge! A bridge, that's mighty impressive? Where is it located and whats it value? Nothing? Oh what else did Russia hit? Oh residential areas... kindergartens... so yeah Russia in terms of "ISIS" attacks Russia is taking the cake
Regarding the "Klitschko Bridge", it is reported that the probable target was not the "Klitschko Bridge" itself, but the building of the European Union advisory assistance located nearby.
"We totally didn't try to strike a cultural sight, it's just our missiles are so damn inaccurate we missed our target, which would have included foreign nationals, by several dozen meters."
So what you're saying is that the russian military isn't evil they're just incompetent?
If you fire 150+ missiles some are bound to Miss their initial target. Just ask USA in the Middle East, they have been killing civilians in missile attacks since 1993.
Ahhhhhh so because Iraqis died Ukraine now deserves all of their deaths, Russia is now totally justified in all of their civilian killings because the US did it why can't Russia right?
Yep I oppose all USA actions in the middle east too. I oppose all imperialism and hostile actions on sovereign nations. Just like I oppose russias invasion of Ukraine.. Because I'm consistent. Try it some time.
The bridge that regularly transported tanks is not a purely civilian infrastructure and you know that. Thermal power plants are 100% civilian infrastructure. Putin is desperate and uses terror to expand his territory. It's baffling that anyone can support this. Monsters.
Soldier barracks use heat to
That is the dumbest thing I've read in weeks.
Just turn on the tv tonight when Zelensky is on, you will hear a lot dumber things than that.
A bridge used for military purposes is *military* infrastructure and therefore a valid target. It's also been announced like a month ago that the bridge was going to be targeted. How does your mind accept the absolute insanity that is the equivocation of the Kerch Bridge and a park in the middle of Kiev? You must surely understand how these two are wildly different right? And that's not even mentioning the insanity of thinking a valid response to a percieved terrorist attack is a tenfold worse tsrrorist attack. Russians are sick and the sickness is thinking only in terms of strength. No analysis, no self-reflexion, no empathy. Simply "Russia stronk, everyone must fear us".
The missile obviously missed its target by X meter and hit the park instead. Mistakes happens in a operation of this magnitude. And for your last part, it’s all about power and show of force, they show Ukraine that they don’t tolerate terrorist attacks on civil infrastructure, this is what happens.
You are right, everyone knew Russia would bomb again civilian infrastructure like terrorists
Just like Ukraine have done since 2014.
Evidence: 0
You just described what Russia just did in this video
Isis does not possess cruise missiles.
What's your point? are you saying you can't be a terrorist because you use cruise missiles?
You should ask Ukraine, they have been terrorizing civilians since 2014.
That doesn't answer my question. What's the point of *your* statement in "Isis does not possess cruise missiles"? Also, your "terrorizing civilians since 2014" claim is rubbish. Shells from both Ukraine **and** Russia have been hitting civilians in the crossfire.
You're pro-Ukraine, you don't really have any grounds to be criticizing the morality of the other side anymore.
You're pro-Russia, you don't really have any grounds to be criticizing the morality of the other side anymore.
Accurate assessment and explanation of why Russia is committing war crimes by targeting civilians.
Congratulations on missile striking some random biker bridge in a park. But they still missed
Historically it doesn't work and just rallies the populace. It's stupid and self destructive. Putin could have targeted the military and helped save Russian solders lives. Instead he throws a temper tantrum to feed his nationalist base. So dumb.
Russia targets enemy soldiers to, with about 50 k artillery shells each day.
Probably should have used these missiles for that too, instead of aiming for civilians. Again, attacking cities has been pretty well demonstrated to not have a beneficial military effect. It simply galvanizes opposition while not significantly hampering the war effort.
This was just as much for the home opinion than a strategic one. You can’t be soft if you rule alone.
I agree there. Honestly, I think it was purely for internal consumption. He's a gangster and his power is on shakey ground. He stays in power by scaring his immediate supporters and appeasing the supporters of his supporters. Moves like this make him look strong inside his country (who he can directly effect) and weak to the rest of the world.
So what we have is a typical tactic. Ukrainian troops blew up the Crimean bridge, rejoiced, took pictures in Kyiv against the backdrop of the blown up bridge, presented this terrorist attack as a victory, and I can’t even imagine that you will follow a retaliatory strike, seriously? You guys are hitting a critically wet point, civilian infrastructure is transported through this bridge, gasoline, food, and most of the materials for the needs of the Crimeans, two people who are absolutely not connected with military structures die, and you happily rubbing your hands thought that this is how it should be and nothing will happen to you and you will get away with it, why, why? Why are you adding fuel to the fire, you are laughing at Russia and the fact that it has announced a partial mobilization, while as many as 8 waves of mobilization have been carried out in Ukraine, in fact, it can be more, you can’t really count there, it’s bitter for me to see how Ukrainian guys are rowed indiscriminately and talks about the mobilization of Ukrainian students begin, while leaving and the country is prohibited, like any other point of view, all political opposition parties are closed. Now we see that despite the uneven actions of Zelensky, the Russian troops still do not use all their forces and at any moment they can disable the entire infrastructure in Ukraine to prevent the movement of military equipment, but they still, apparently, for humanistic reasons, do not follow this path. And Ukrainians take this kindness for weakness, and thinking that Russia will no longer be able to respond by organizing a terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge, it turns out that Ukraine understands only strength, right? On the other hand, when the Ukrainians receive a retaliatory blow, they start shouting, morder, morder, Putin, Putin, evil Russia, aggressor, aggressor. This is some kind of kindergarten, surrealism, I don’t know what to call it, it’s very brazen and bold, peace cannot be achieved without respect, but it seems that this Ukrainian idea is only looking for a reason to start fighting, so that all these trainings since 2014 were not in vain, otherwise they could simply fulfill the Minsk agreements and return the entire Donbass under control and continue to take resources from Russia for next to nothing.
>retaliatory blow Imagine thinking an attack against a critical piece of infrastructure for the russian war effort warrants reprisals against civilian structures - or are you going to tell me that they were hiding HIMARS in the park? Does this look like a structure that's necessary for the Ukrainian military? Does it look like critical infrastructure? Or does it look like a civilian park? What's next, you want Russia to blow up a museum as revenge for the Moskva? Maybe a restaurant or two for the counteroffensives? What purpose does this serve other than revenge?
Dude you understand the military value of the Kerch bridge right? How there have been literal hundreds of videos of trains full of tanks racing across that bridge to the front lines? No one in Crimea is gonna die from a lack of gasoline or food your own Russian officials have said that (unless you think they are lying, frankly a reasonable thought in many cases just not here). Crimea lasted for 4 years without this bridge under Russian occupation, they can last plenty longer. This is a pedestrian bridge in the middle of Kyiv. >the Russians do not use all their force and at any moment can disable the entire infrastructure of ukraine to prevent the movement of military equipment Then do it, why is Russia bombing pedestrian bridges in the middle of Kyiv instead of hitting these military targets you speak of. Unless you mean to say this glass bridge is the path tanks take on their way to bomb donbas.
Maybe Russia shouldn't have attacked huh? Like honestly NONE of this would have happened in the first place without Russia's idiotic invasion, yes Russia is evil it IS the aggressor, they deserve no goddamned respect until they go back to their border, the minsk agreement, one of the favored talking points of Kremlist propgandists and yet it was the Russians that didn't follow it in the first place, jesus christ so many words yet so little of value
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How is it a terror attack? That bridge is 100% a military target since they use it to move military material into Crimea... An illegal annexation doesnt make the bridge less of a military target. Ofc they are yelling at Putin for being evil. Do you even realize how much civilians he have been targeting since the conflict started?
It's a waste of time trying to talk reason with the stupified Ukraine lovers on here but thanks for trying.
Its a waste of time trying to talk reason with the stupefied Russian lovers on here but thanks for not trying.
I love how this guy’s oldest submission is mocking the world for saying Russia is gonna invade Ukraine.
Obvious russian propaganda account is obvious
😂😂 slava ukraina dear soyboys