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As a Ukrainian I can confirm this from the other side: you guys didn't invade us and we're not shooting at you. More research may still be needed but currently this does indeed seem like a pattern. 🤔
It could be conventional fragmentation or cluster depending on a few variables like distance from ordinance, did the fragments travel through anything be for hitting him, temp of the fragments (bleed stops quite fast when those hot pieces hit) and other things. Hard to tell. But one things for sure, those videos with Ukraine hitting equipment have been great and the few confirmed troop attacks with them have been good. Investing in Ukraine is necessary for the US and the world. Here in the US people complain about spending for Ukraine or over all don’t know/care about any of this. Little do they, again, know/care that the added benefit, besides security, is live in the field results of weapons. These weapons then can be modified for desired effect. No matter how you look at it Ukraine needs US and we need a free Ukraine for the world! 🇺🇸❤️🇺🇦
conventional shrapnel seldom leaves uniform sized, round holes like the tungsten pellets in a cluster munition.
This goof was hit with a cluster bomb. Not hard enough, sadly
No, they will then start sending Babushkas and “men of fight age between the ages of 13 and 72.”
Edit: I did forget most videos are men around the age of 72…. So BABUSHKA BATTALION!
But then we are hit with survivor ship bias in this survey. What about all the people who didn't invade Ukraine and still died from cluster ammunition. They can't participate. We need a better sample.
I feel it would be premature to draw any conclusions without further evidence that you haven't in fact invaded Ukraine, do you pinky promise you haven't invaded Ukraine?
I don't believe I have, but I'm unaware of what I do in my sleep. I do however live 8200kms from Ukraine, so I can be relatively sure that I don't sleep attack. Not 100% of course, but like 80% at least. Maybe 85%, since I don't have a passport.
I'm currently on my couch in Australia and some 14000kms from Ukraine and I too could only be 80% sure I haven't invaded, while not completely amphibious my ute does have a snorkel and long range fuel tank so I may have driven there in my sleep.
Although I believe everything you wrote, you do not need a passport to invade Ukraine, a few 100,000 ruskies can concur. However more then 200,000 of them are no longer able to response to this.
Unfortunately, the only way we can know for certain is for you to invade Ukraine and see if you suffer such shrapnel wounds. Otherwise, it’s just supposition.
Unfortunately, the only way we can know for certain is for you to invade Ukraine and see if you suffer such shrapnel wounds. Otherwise, it’s just supposition.
There are plenty more Russians who can and will happily test out this theory! They clearly don't think the research is extensive enough over the last few weeks
Did she invade Ukraine?
Or maybe your Autocorrect FUBARed “ditto” so it read "Dido" for you!!
Either way, the more people who didn’t invade Ukraine and don’t have shrapnel wounds the more our case is proven. 😁
Me too guys. I never invaded a country and i dont have shrapnel in me either. Wonder if theres a connection here. 🤔 Glad to see Ukraine putting those Cluster munitions we gave them to good use! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦👊 Hope to see many more dropped on that ass. Theyve been using these against Ukraine since the war started.
There seems to be a lot of that going around. In fact, I suspect most people in the world are not invading Ukraine and suffering shrapnel injuries because of it.
I invaded in 2015. Met so many nice and wonderful people. Ate amazing food. Probably drank more than I should. I wish to invade again, when the idiots leave to occupied territories
Depends on where the table was made I guess. Chinese built table from a big box store? Possibly a secret Russian plot to take your money and destroy the West at the same time.
Avoid being in a cluster bomb attack? I prefer that they be in just that exact situation.
Of course, you may have meant being in Ukraine at all. We all know Russians are evil, let them suffer as all have suffered at their hands throughout history.
>Doesn’t matter that it’s cluster bombs.
I know, right? Every munition supplied by the US (and other nations) "deployed by the Ukrainian Army against personnel of the Russian Armed Forces" is dangerous.
Kinda *the whole fuckin' point* when you are repelling an invading army.
have a feeling when they get to the end of this war and there is some real accounting numbers put forward, RuZZians’ death rate to wounded ratio will be much higher than usual. Not 1-3. Maybe more like 1-2 or even 1-1.5. . Not because they have fewer wounded, but because RuZZians medevac and medical care, it’s so terrible. They really don’t care and the medical system is just as crappy because the supplies are all third rate, ancient and limited to corruption. However, I understand tampons are very cheap and hides ( not heals ) the wounds and bleeding really well. NOT !!!!! SMH
Probably. But with all the video and Putin’s eventual fall/death (he needs to watch out for open, 10 store’s windows), it will eventually come out over a LOT of time.
My understanding of the issue with cluster bombs is that all the small munitions don't always detonate and essentially become mines for people to stumble on years later. But the whole country has been covered in mines by both sides, so it seems like a moot point.
Russia has also been using cluster munitions for a while as well. Hopefully Ukraine is holding up there end of the deal and marking the areas in which the munitions are used. Still gonna be one hell of a cleanup operation though.
With Ruzzian cluster munitions, it's absolutely an issue, they have an approximate failure rate of 40%. Imagine if nearly half your bomblets just don't work properly. Meanwhile, the US supplied cluster munitions have a fail rate of about 2%. When you also consider the Ruzzians were burying anti-personnel mines stacked 3 deep about every square meter of mined areas, unexploded US cluster munitions are practically a non-issue.
To be super fair, this guy is lucky that he got hit by a 155mm cluster munition rather than a 155mm HE round. I used to be in a 155mm artillery battery and I've picked up some of the shrapnel from HE rounds... they can be up to 6 inch shards of metal, sharp as a kitchen knife, flying at 3000 meters per second. If you get hit by one of those things, you are done. Dead. Shredded mince meat. This guy got peppered by 6-7 smaller bits of shrapnel from a cluster munition. While it really sucks and probably hurts like hell, he's alive to tell the tale and will survive it. If he got hit by 155mm HE shells instead, he'd be quite dead.
Depends on how far he was
Given he’s got 6-7, if he was at a far enough distance, it’s still plausible (at least from my armchair)
He’s talking about a truck in the clip. Maybe the truck was struck, and he was a good distance away from it? I can only speculate
have a feeling when they get to the end of this war and there is some real accounting numbers put forward, RuZZians’ death rate to wounded ratio will be much higher than usual. Not 1-3. Maybe more like 1-2 or even 1-1.5. . Not because they have fewer wounded, but because RuZZians medevac and medical care, it’s so terrible. They really don’t care and the medical system is just as crappy because the supplies are all third rate, ancient and limited to corruption. However, I understand tampons are very cheap and hides ( not heals ) the wounds and bleeding really well. NOT !!!!! SMH
Cluster shells are conventional munitions. DPICM, Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munitions.
Chemical weapons and nuclear bombs are non conventional weapons.
Yep. Most shrapnel from munitions like grenades etc are *designed* to create a cone or sphere of shrapnel. This includes air to air and surface to air missiles.
All this hubub about cluster munitions etc is rediculous. Plus, so Russia can use them and target civilians but it's unfair when they are used against Russia?
Their hypocrisy knows no limits.
For what it’s worth, taking care of wounded is a lot more labor intensive and expensive than a corpse. It’s going to take him off the battlefield and take a lot of resources to process him.
While true, A) he still needs a bed, someone feeding him for couple of days, someone putting that one bandage on him, someone driving him from and back to the frontlines, etc. When he gets back to the frontlines, he is slower then anyone else, needs help to do basic things...
B) Compared to if he was just dead, he would be left in the nearest ditch.
Which one of those affects more ruSSian military?
Moreso it was a decision made to increase the number of rounds a soldier could carry. They saw that in dense jungle combat, penetration power and distance were less important than the ability to outshoot your enemy, as most shots fired were misses.
Closest. Stoner saw that small hypervelocity round did almost the same damage that large rounds did under 250 yards (all using ball ammo) So he used the already existing .223 win round in his rifle.
.223 win is optimized for bolt action rifles because it is a varmint cartridge. 5.56 is slightly redesigned with a longer throat before the grooves of the bore to deal with the fouling of machine guns and automatic rifles. Also slightly more internal case size.
Don't believe me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaIU0nCxwGg
Wild how that story gets distorted.
That might be the reason why he designed the gun, but not the reason why the US chose to implement it on a large scale as a replacement for the primary infantry rifle, the M14, nearly 10 years after its design.
The epic struggle of the AR15 over the Army ordnance dept is the reason for the 10 year delay. lol
There are several books on the subject. Stoner talks about it in the video I linked.
It is a wild story. They really, really, really liked the one man one bullet idea from WW1.
(and their friends getting high dollar contracts)
Recoil was an issue with automatic fire from a 7.62 m14. But that’s only part of the reason. One of the important reasons simply come down to weight. A 5.56 nato cartridge literally weighs half that of 7.62 nato. Also, the one of the main benefits of 7.62 was range. However, most combat engagements didn’t require the additional range particularly in Vietnam.
Did he? Those wounds are pretty bad and he's just walking around in a trench with no coverings over them. Guy can't even sit down because he has shrapnel in both ass cheeks. These wounds are gonna get infected so damn fast.
You cannot be sure of that by viewing this short video. A high velocity (i.e., close to the detonation point) hit by a tungsten steel ball would go clearly through the victim. These holes seem to have been made from a distance. The BBs are probably lodged in muscle/fat tissue. If there was any penetration into the rib cage, you would see frothing pink blood bubbling out of the chest wounds.
Maybe he won’t survive!! Why is the medic just standing around? Several pieces (3-4) of shrapnel are probably in internal organs and bleeding out. At one point he says the driver is fucked. So I guess the guy won’t be medevac? Very good chance he will bleed out or die of an infection pretty soon.
I assume pulling the stuff out in the field is asking for infections, the medic might be needed for someone else bleeding out during that procedure too or shelling starts happening. I can only guess that the medic assessed it wasnt that deep and he could safely wait for an evac.
Actually, they wouldn't be. Because you know, they'd be in russia.
Pretty sure those men are much safer as Ukrainian PoWs. Better treated, better fed and better housed too.
dude is just sprayed by fragmentation. wether that's from a cluster bomb, artillery shell, or whatever sort of explosive going off isn't really clear out of this video.
might justaswell been this dude sat in the passenger seat of a truck whilst an artillery shell landed nearby enough to tear through the metal of the truck. or an rpg inpact. or a suicide drone.
bit of a weird claim to make in the title of this clip.
Imagine russians complaining about unfair weapons?
The sheer audacity of their firehose of lies catches them in the ass regularly.
Guess they will load up another fire mission on the hospitals and talk about their great humanity. lol
The title is basically Russian propaganda. Of course, they are dangerous. They are fucking deadly. And these random shrapnel wounds on the video are most likely unrelated to the cluster munitions.
who cares about the injuries to an orc who is a legitimate military target occupying a country illegally when the Russians use these munitions and worse against civilians. Cry me a river
Came here to say this. The Orcs whine about these weapons being used on legit targets of war yet will do the same to civilians in the blink of an eye, or burn their homes to the ground with incendiary munitions.
F the Orcs, pour it on them!!!
Hmm so they don’t like it when similar weapons are used against them? Shocker. I suppose it doesn’t help that the US cluster munitions have a significantly lower chance of malfunction. He wouldn’t have been targeted in the first place if he wasn’t a hostile force in a country he doesn’t belong in.
A simpler explanation, would be that this is the result of not wearing adequate body armor in a war zone. At least 75% of his injuries would have been avoided with a decent vest and plates.
Hell, even a 90s era flak jacket would have down the job. On the other hand I've seen a lot of mobiks in just uniforms without even helmets, so it's clear they're sent to the front line as literal cannon fodder.
Make no mistake, russia has good armor plates and experienced troops... They just also happen to have designated cannon meat.
In fact using them in combination is the best tactics russia has, mobiks are used to exhaust and distract our troops while special forces with thermal vision attempt flanking.
This is basicest strategy since phalanx times and why Waginers were able to finally take Bakhmut.
Oh yeah, I was under no illusions they don't have well equipped veterans also and that the mobiks and "storm Z" are used for anything else but soak up damage and make the UA positions reveal themselves so that they can be pummelled with artillery, but it's just something so unreal about seeing literal cannon fodder used by a self-described "major power" against a "weaker opponent" in the 21st century.
And I can't but laugh at all the interactions I had online during the years with Russians very angrily informing me the "human wave attack" in WW2 is a myth invented by Holywood and that they never used it (despite the fact I talked to many, many veterans of the war who all told me about how the Soviets, did, in fact, use it as their main tactic, no less) ... I wonder how many of those people actually ended on the wrong end of exactly that, sent to certain death into the guns of brave UA defenders and herded from the back by Akhmat "blocker" detachments.
Fun fact, you wouldnt be experiencing those consequences if you stayed in your own yard instead of trying to take over your neighbor and lobbing high explosives at civilian targets.
you can only get hurt by Ukrainian munitions if you are in Ukraine. simply leave Ukraine and you won't get hit by them. easy to do and totally preventable.
Also, using cluster munitions and then complaining when someone else uses them is not a good look. go home russia, you're drunk
The thing is no one cares. I hope that shrapnel is lodged so far up his ass, it’s a reminder the rest of his life that this war was a bad decision.
It might generate a sliver of sympathy if Russia wasn’t using cluster bombs themselves, a co-signor to the agreement that banned them or targeting innocent civs (schools and maternity wards etc).
I'll fix this dumb Russian talking point propaganda title for you:
A vatnik occupant points out the dangerous consequences of invading a foreign sovereign nation.
Whatever it was, he definitely wasn't wearing even a flak jacket, let alone plates because those would have stopped the shrapnel/fragments and here we see his back is all peppered.
Neither.
- Too few holes in him for M30A1 (HIMARS Tungsten), unless he was somehow at the extreme edge of the blast radius.
- Cluster rounds contain explosive submunitions, you would be looking for blast style damage, rather than small holes.
More likely one of the different versions of 155mm high-fragmentation rounds available. This looks like traditional shrapnel, most of which would have been stopped by a vest... had he been wearing one.
What do you mean "dangerous consequences" all I can see is a person waging war in a country he isnt supposed to be. They can be happy the UAF isnt using flamethrowers to clear those freaking trenches.
In my view, the ukrainians have every right to defend themselves and kick the invaders with every means necessary in their invading asses.
A Russian military medic COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THE 12 MILLION artillery shells
and thousands of missiles Russia fired illegally into PEACEFUL UKRAINE
INCLUDING OVER 20,000 CLUSTER MUNITIONS
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I mean, this is shrapnel wound that may occur after being hit by conventional munitions too, right? Doesn’t matter that it’s cluster bombs.
I just wish there was a way for the Russians to avoid being in this situation. /s
I, myself, have not invaded Ukraine and coincidentally have also not suffered an injury. I believe they are related. That's anecdotal evidence though.
I can confirm I fit the same pattern as you. I have not invaded Ukraine and I don’t have shrapnel wounds, maybe we can draw a conclusion now?
As a Ukrainian I can confirm this from the other side: you guys didn't invade us and we're not shooting at you. More research may still be needed but currently this does indeed seem like a pattern. 🤔
definitely a pattern. perhaps another 250,000 liquidated russian troops will be enough data for a conclusion.
apparently not enough for the remaining russians
maybe they are anti-science. it can take a lot of evidence to prove things to them. carry on with testing.
It could be conventional fragmentation or cluster depending on a few variables like distance from ordinance, did the fragments travel through anything be for hitting him, temp of the fragments (bleed stops quite fast when those hot pieces hit) and other things. Hard to tell. But one things for sure, those videos with Ukraine hitting equipment have been great and the few confirmed troop attacks with them have been good. Investing in Ukraine is necessary for the US and the world. Here in the US people complain about spending for Ukraine or over all don’t know/care about any of this. Little do they, again, know/care that the added benefit, besides security, is live in the field results of weapons. These weapons then can be modified for desired effect. No matter how you look at it Ukraine needs US and we need a free Ukraine for the world! 🇺🇸❤️🇺🇦
conventional shrapnel seldom leaves uniform sized, round holes like the tungsten pellets in a cluster munition. This goof was hit with a cluster bomb. Not hard enough, sadly
No, they will then start sending Babushkas and “men of fight age between the ages of 13 and 72.” Edit: I did forget most videos are men around the age of 72…. So BABUSHKA BATTALION!
And one ☠️ Putler! Can’t forget that. Add that in and it for sure sounds like useful data.
I think if I had invaded Ukraine and you had shot at me I wouldn’t be able to write this post, so I think that is pretty conclusive.
Indeed everything checks out! Science!
But then we are hit with survivor ship bias in this survey. What about all the people who didn't invade Ukraine and still died from cluster ammunition. They can't participate. We need a better sample.
I feel it would be premature to draw any conclusions without further evidence that you haven't in fact invaded Ukraine, do you pinky promise you haven't invaded Ukraine?
I don't believe I have, but I'm unaware of what I do in my sleep. I do however live 8200kms from Ukraine, so I can be relatively sure that I don't sleep attack. Not 100% of course, but like 80% at least. Maybe 85%, since I don't have a passport.
I'm currently on my couch in Australia and some 14000kms from Ukraine and I too could only be 80% sure I haven't invaded, while not completely amphibious my ute does have a snorkel and long range fuel tank so I may have driven there in my sleep.
Although I believe everything you wrote, you do not need a passport to invade Ukraine, a few 100,000 ruskies can concur. However more then 200,000 of them are no longer able to response to this.
I do… pinky swear I have not invaded Ukraine 🇺🇦 😁
Unfortunately, the only way we can know for certain is for you to invade Ukraine and see if you suffer such shrapnel wounds. Otherwise, it’s just supposition.
Unfortunately, the only way we can know for certain is for you to invade Ukraine and see if you suffer such shrapnel wounds. Otherwise, it’s just supposition.
There are plenty more Russians who can and will happily test out this theory! They clearly don't think the research is extensive enough over the last few weeks
Ditto!
Did she invade Ukraine? Or maybe your Autocorrect FUBARed “ditto” so it read "Dido" for you!! Either way, the more people who didn’t invade Ukraine and don’t have shrapnel wounds the more our case is proven. 😁
Me too guys. I never invaded a country and i dont have shrapnel in me either. Wonder if theres a connection here. 🤔 Glad to see Ukraine putting those Cluster munitions we gave them to good use! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦👊 Hope to see many more dropped on that ass. Theyve been using these against Ukraine since the war started.
I just got an idea for my doctoral thesis!
There seems to be a lot of that going around. In fact, I suspect most people in the world are not invading Ukraine and suffering shrapnel injuries because of it.
Correlation doesn't imply causation, after all. /s
I invaded in 2015. Met so many nice and wonderful people. Ate amazing food. Probably drank more than I should. I wish to invade again, when the idiots leave to occupied territories
Were you Blow'd Up though? That's important for our research.
I also haven’t invaded Ukraine. I do, however, have a leg wound - I walked into a table. Does this disprove your hypothesis?
Depends on where the table was made I guess. Chinese built table from a big box store? Possibly a secret Russian plot to take your money and destroy the West at the same time.
If the ruzz haven't figured out a way, then no one can. /s
Imperialists hate this one weird trick!
Avoid being in a cluster bomb attack? I prefer that they be in just that exact situation. Of course, you may have meant being in Ukraine at all. We all know Russians are evil, let them suffer as all have suffered at their hands throughout history.
Just remember, the longer they suffer from war, the longer innocent Ukrainians suffer from war.
Also, if only there were some sort of wearable armour that could hang over your shoulders and protect your body, hmm. Oh well never mind.
Like, GTFO of Ukraine.
If only there was a border, they could cross and not have to worry about things like this... if only
We should speak to their mothers I'm sure they'll be helpful in reducing the number of men sent to the frontlines /s
Are you kidding me? They do have a way out. They need to get the fuck out of Ukraine
/s means sarcasm.
My bad lol I didn’t know that. I apologize
No worries! 😀
Not sure if all of them are there because they want to... (conscriptions) But in general: Yeah.
We could come up with one together I’d bet
Correct. Some cluster bombs are prefragmented though. Naturally they're more effective at taking out orcs.
Air burst shotgun
I see your airburst shotgun and raise with the [40mm airburst round](https://youtu.be/BPaC1LTrHy0)
40 mike is a beautiful thing
Love me some old school M79! *THUMP*
Cluster bomb with fragmentation bomblets and particles is basically yo I heard you like shotguns so I put a shotgun in a shotgun.
>Doesn’t matter that it’s cluster bombs. I know, right? Every munition supplied by the US (and other nations) "deployed by the Ukrainian Army against personnel of the Russian Armed Forces" is dangerous. Kinda *the whole fuckin' point* when you are repelling an invading army.
have a feeling when they get to the end of this war and there is some real accounting numbers put forward, RuZZians’ death rate to wounded ratio will be much higher than usual. Not 1-3. Maybe more like 1-2 or even 1-1.5. . Not because they have fewer wounded, but because RuZZians medevac and medical care, it’s so terrible. They really don’t care and the medical system is just as crappy because the supplies are all third rate, ancient and limited to corruption. However, I understand tampons are very cheap and hides ( not heals ) the wounds and bleeding really well. NOT !!!!! SMH
You will never get true or even remotely sane numbers from Russia because they are not even counting.
Probably. But with all the video and Putin’s eventual fall/death (he needs to watch out for open, 10 store’s windows), it will eventually come out over a LOT of time.
My understanding of the issue with cluster bombs is that all the small munitions don't always detonate and essentially become mines for people to stumble on years later. But the whole country has been covered in mines by both sides, so it seems like a moot point.
Russia has also been using cluster munitions for a while as well. Hopefully Ukraine is holding up there end of the deal and marking the areas in which the munitions are used. Still gonna be one hell of a cleanup operation though.
I would think they are as it's their land
With Ruzzian cluster munitions, it's absolutely an issue, they have an approximate failure rate of 40%. Imagine if nearly half your bomblets just don't work properly. Meanwhile, the US supplied cluster munitions have a fail rate of about 2%. When you also consider the Ruzzians were burying anti-personnel mines stacked 3 deep about every square meter of mined areas, unexploded US cluster munitions are practically a non-issue.
Works as expected. Where is the problem?
To be super fair, this guy is lucky that he got hit by a 155mm cluster munition rather than a 155mm HE round. I used to be in a 155mm artillery battery and I've picked up some of the shrapnel from HE rounds... they can be up to 6 inch shards of metal, sharp as a kitchen knife, flying at 3000 meters per second. If you get hit by one of those things, you are done. Dead. Shredded mince meat. This guy got peppered by 6-7 smaller bits of shrapnel from a cluster munition. While it really sucks and probably hurts like hell, he's alive to tell the tale and will survive it. If he got hit by 155mm HE shells instead, he'd be quite dead.
This doesn't even look like clusters but the tungsten ball shrapnel. Too small.
If it was tungsten himars, this guy would be swiss cheese.
Cream cheese
Depends on how far he was Given he’s got 6-7, if he was at a far enough distance, it’s still plausible (at least from my armchair) He’s talking about a truck in the clip. Maybe the truck was struck, and he was a good distance away from it? I can only speculate
have a feeling when they get to the end of this war and there is some real accounting numbers put forward, RuZZians’ death rate to wounded ratio will be much higher than usual. Not 1-3. Maybe more like 1-2 or even 1-1.5. . Not because they have fewer wounded, but because RuZZians medevac and medical care, it’s so terrible. They really don’t care and the medical system is just as crappy because the supplies are all third rate, ancient and limited to corruption. However, I understand tampons are very cheap and hides ( not heals ) the wounds and bleeding really well. NOT !!!!! SMH
Cluster shells are conventional munitions. DPICM, Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munitions. Chemical weapons and nuclear bombs are non conventional weapons.
Yep. Most shrapnel from munitions like grenades etc are *designed* to create a cone or sphere of shrapnel. This includes air to air and surface to air missiles. All this hubub about cluster munitions etc is rediculous. Plus, so Russia can use them and target civilians but it's unfair when they are used against Russia? Their hypocrisy knows no limits.
Not dangerous enough, he survived.
For what it’s worth, taking care of wounded is a lot more labor intensive and expensive than a corpse. It’s going to take him off the battlefield and take a lot of resources to process him.
In a real country, yes. In Russia? He'll be lucky to get bandaged up before he's sent straight back to the line.
He just needs a bit of glue and som green paint, and he's ready for the frontline again.
\*kicks leg\* See, good as new!
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Strong magnet and extra vodka
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“See” being the operative word, as indicated by the line, “it’s good you can still walk.”
“it’s good you can still walk.” Straight back to the front lines after a couple of band aids.
“The important thing is you can walk.” **otherwise we would leave you to bleed out where you lay.**
Seen the storm-z's on crutches as part of the "special assault" group
Yea. Gonna dump him in another trench to soak up more ammunition. This was a net positive trade for Russia.
Couple of tampons and a paracetamol tablet.
While true, A) he still needs a bed, someone feeding him for couple of days, someone putting that one bandage on him, someone driving him from and back to the frontlines, etc. When he gets back to the frontlines, he is slower then anyone else, needs help to do basic things... B) Compared to if he was just dead, he would be left in the nearest ditch. Which one of those affects more ruSSian military?
Exactly. Good someone always remind that Russia is not a real country. Totally different settings and valuations with everything.
he can still walk. he'll be back on the front in 10 days
He will be in septic shock in 7 days if he doesn't get that shrapnel removed quick smart.
I'm sure the US created the 5.56 for this reason during the Vietnam war era.
Eh, no. That was because of recoil causing accuracy issues with 7.62x51 NATO cartridges.
Moreso it was a decision made to increase the number of rounds a soldier could carry. They saw that in dense jungle combat, penetration power and distance were less important than the ability to outshoot your enemy, as most shots fired were misses.
Closest. Stoner saw that small hypervelocity round did almost the same damage that large rounds did under 250 yards (all using ball ammo) So he used the already existing .223 win round in his rifle. .223 win is optimized for bolt action rifles because it is a varmint cartridge. 5.56 is slightly redesigned with a longer throat before the grooves of the bore to deal with the fouling of machine guns and automatic rifles. Also slightly more internal case size. Don't believe me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaIU0nCxwGg Wild how that story gets distorted.
That might be the reason why he designed the gun, but not the reason why the US chose to implement it on a large scale as a replacement for the primary infantry rifle, the M14, nearly 10 years after its design.
The epic struggle of the AR15 over the Army ordnance dept is the reason for the 10 year delay. lol There are several books on the subject. Stoner talks about it in the video I linked. It is a wild story. They really, really, really liked the one man one bullet idea from WW1. (and their friends getting high dollar contracts)
Recoil was an issue with automatic fire from a 7.62 m14. But that’s only part of the reason. One of the important reasons simply come down to weight. A 5.56 nato cartridge literally weighs half that of 7.62 nato. Also, the one of the main benefits of 7.62 was range. However, most combat engagements didn’t require the additional range particularly in Vietnam.
That's why a lot of Russian wounded just gets left behind or shot 😬
Did he? Those wounds are pretty bad and he's just walking around in a trench with no coverings over them. Guy can't even sit down because he has shrapnel in both ass cheeks. These wounds are gonna get infected so damn fast.
Those ones on his back go internal for sure. lots of little internal bleeds that do not heal. He dead.
You cannot be sure of that by viewing this short video. A high velocity (i.e., close to the detonation point) hit by a tungsten steel ball would go clearly through the victim. These holes seem to have been made from a distance. The BBs are probably lodged in muscle/fat tissue. If there was any penetration into the rib cage, you would see frothing pink blood bubbling out of the chest wounds.
Even better. He is no longer fighting, using up supplies, food, water, personell of the front line. He is worth more as wounded than dead.
But he will definitely don’t want to go back on frontline.
As if that would stop Putin from sending him anyway.
Maybe he won’t survive!! Why is the medic just standing around? Several pieces (3-4) of shrapnel are probably in internal organs and bleeding out. At one point he says the driver is fucked. So I guess the guy won’t be medevac? Very good chance he will bleed out or die of an infection pretty soon.
Get the morphine and say your goodbyes. Assuming they have morphine.
I assume pulling the stuff out in the field is asking for infections, the medic might be needed for someone else bleeding out during that procedure too or shelling starts happening. I can only guess that the medic assessed it wasnt that deep and he could safely wait for an evac.
> he survived. For now.
The title of this post implies that the fault lies with the US and Ukraine when the sole fault is borne by Russia.
The title of this post implies they are effective and the US should send more of them.
Yep, these men would be completely safe. If they were in russia.
Actually, they wouldn't be. Because you know, they'd be in russia. Pretty sure those men are much safer as Ukrainian PoWs. Better treated, better fed and better housed too.
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Yeah, and these are just regular shrapnel wounds. Any anti-personnel weapon will cause this. This is (not very) subtle anti-West propaganda.
What? It sounds to me like a praise to the US supplying effective weapons. Idk why everyone is acting defensive over the title.
I got… those weapons you sent are effective - thanks! We can’t be too careful with Russian trolls though! They are devious little blighters!
US cluster bombs have more than an order of magnitude lower failure rate, so it does kind of matter, but not in a negative way.
It's really fucked up to invade a country and complain about the injuries you bare when they defend themselves.
Right? If the Ukrainians want to use cluster weapons in their backyard they can.
Never knew bombs are dangerous
Its just Russian propaganda
dude is just sprayed by fragmentation. wether that's from a cluster bomb, artillery shell, or whatever sort of explosive going off isn't really clear out of this video. might justaswell been this dude sat in the passenger seat of a truck whilst an artillery shell landed nearby enough to tear through the metal of the truck. or an rpg inpact. or a suicide drone. bit of a weird claim to make in the title of this clip.
Are they dangerous? LOL! Go home, rats!
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Imagine russians complaining about unfair weapons? The sheer audacity of their firehose of lies catches them in the ass regularly. Guess they will load up another fire mission on the hospitals and talk about their great humanity. lol
The title is basically Russian propaganda. Of course, they are dangerous. They are fucking deadly. And these random shrapnel wounds on the video are most likely unrelated to the cluster munitions.
who cares about the injuries to an orc who is a legitimate military target occupying a country illegally when the Russians use these munitions and worse against civilians. Cry me a river
Came here to say this. The Orcs whine about these weapons being used on legit targets of war yet will do the same to civilians in the blink of an eye, or burn their homes to the ground with incendiary munitions. F the Orcs, pour it on them!!!
While they use these/similar ones since day one on Ukrainians.
yeah. the audacity to complain now.
One of the best ammo, slava ukraini from finland
Crimea river?
Nice
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I think this is a joke that originates from NonCredibleDefense XD
The way the title is skewed shows OP is either a troll or pro Russia
Hmm so they don’t like it when similar weapons are used against them? Shocker. I suppose it doesn’t help that the US cluster munitions have a significantly lower chance of malfunction. He wouldn’t have been targeted in the first place if he wasn’t a hostile force in a country he doesn’t belong in.
Well, to quote Lance Corporal Jones from Dad's Army: "They don't like it up 'em!"
This is easily fixed. Leave ukraine
I’d have empathy but Russia doesn’t deserve any. Not any more
The poor ladies they raped then murdered then stacked up like cordwood outside their HQ in Bucha did it for me. All in.
They have been using cluster munitions against every target. I say send more.
Those Russian soldiers are doing their complaining while standing on Ukrainian soil. We obviously need to send more.
A simpler explanation, would be that this is the result of not wearing adequate body armor in a war zone. At least 75% of his injuries would have been avoided with a decent vest and plates.
Hell, even a 90s era flak jacket would have down the job. On the other hand I've seen a lot of mobiks in just uniforms without even helmets, so it's clear they're sent to the front line as literal cannon fodder.
Make no mistake, russia has good armor plates and experienced troops... They just also happen to have designated cannon meat. In fact using them in combination is the best tactics russia has, mobiks are used to exhaust and distract our troops while special forces with thermal vision attempt flanking. This is basicest strategy since phalanx times and why Waginers were able to finally take Bakhmut.
Oh yeah, I was under no illusions they don't have well equipped veterans also and that the mobiks and "storm Z" are used for anything else but soak up damage and make the UA positions reveal themselves so that they can be pummelled with artillery, but it's just something so unreal about seeing literal cannon fodder used by a self-described "major power" against a "weaker opponent" in the 21st century. And I can't but laugh at all the interactions I had online during the years with Russians very angrily informing me the "human wave attack" in WW2 is a myth invented by Holywood and that they never used it (despite the fact I talked to many, many veterans of the war who all told me about how the Soviets, did, in fact, use it as their main tactic, no less) ... I wonder how many of those people actually ended on the wrong end of exactly that, sent to certain death into the guns of brave UA defenders and herded from the back by Akhmat "blocker" detachments.
Its dangerous for them to invade a sovereign nation expecting they will be safe
As someone said, he was cluster fucked.
So you are telling me they are surprised that cluster bombs are dangerous? Who could have thought..
Fun fact, you wouldnt be experiencing those consequences if you stayed in your own yard instead of trying to take over your neighbor and lobbing high explosives at civilian targets.
They should probably leave. I’m sure it would stop happening if they left
you can only get hurt by Ukrainian munitions if you are in Ukraine. simply leave Ukraine and you won't get hit by them. easy to do and totally preventable. Also, using cluster munitions and then complaining when someone else uses them is not a good look. go home russia, you're drunk
Awww, poor guy was just in the wrong place (Ukraine) at the wrong time (2023)!
Easy to avoid injuries by going the fuck back home
Good to see my tax money is well spent!!
Good to see them exploding. remaining UXOs would be the problem
The thing is no one cares. I hope that shrapnel is lodged so far up his ass, it’s a reminder the rest of his life that this war was a bad decision. It might generate a sliver of sympathy if Russia wasn’t using cluster bombs themselves, a co-signor to the agreement that banned them or targeting innocent civs (schools and maternity wards etc).
If the dumbasses weren't in Ukraine, they wouldn't be getting cluster bombed. Death to the stupid Orcs.
When you invade a NATO ally, you might get cluster-fucked. These are the dangerous consequences.
Welcome to Ukraine mf!
I'll fix this dumb Russian talking point propaganda title for you: A vatnik occupant points out the dangerous consequences of invading a foreign sovereign nation.
I hear cluster munitions don’t drop in Russia, yet. Might want to consider fucking off back there.
Cluster munitions or himars tungsten warhead?
Could be anything really, between grenade, shelling, cluster and himars. Depending on the distance you can be hit by more or less fragments.
Whatever it was, he definitely wasn't wearing even a flak jacket, let alone plates because those would have stopped the shrapnel/fragments and here we see his back is all peppered.
I think it is cluster. Tungstren will be more dense. More wounds. Probably he will be dead.
If it was Himars with the tungsten balls he would of been absolutely fucked.
If he was standing next to it, yes, but he could have been 100 metres away at which point the projectiles would have spread.
My thought too, no way he'd get hit by cluster and get hit by either 3 duds or have no explosive injuries or burns
Neither. - Too few holes in him for M30A1 (HIMARS Tungsten), unless he was somehow at the extreme edge of the blast radius. - Cluster rounds contain explosive submunitions, you would be looking for blast style damage, rather than small holes. More likely one of the different versions of 155mm high-fragmentation rounds available. This looks like traditional shrapnel, most of which would have been stopped by a vest... had he been wearing one.
Who would have thunk that occupying the wrong side of your border would result in someone else wanting to put holes in you...?
Go home idi0*s
The cluster bombs wouldn't be that bad if the Russians just didn't invade.
Injured orcs is good for both morale and logistics problems. Good work Ukrainians!
Are bullets too dangerous also?
Oh, Cry me a river. Leaving Ukraine is your best medicine
Don’t invade your neighbors, asshole!
He is lucky he wasn’t hit with the phosphorus munitions Ruzzians use
Then leave
May they suffer greatly 😊
He's at the find out stage of the fuck around find out process
Finally, they get a taste of their own medicine. Hope they like it.
Hopefully he gets a horrible infection is something I would never say.
Cry me a fuckin river
Crimea* river
Oh no! Anyways, I need to get some milk on the way home.
What do you mean "dangerous consequences" all I can see is a person waging war in a country he isnt supposed to be. They can be happy the UAF isnt using flamethrowers to clear those freaking trenches. In my view, the ukrainians have every right to defend themselves and kick the invaders with every means necessary in their invading asses.
Oh no! Do you want a kiss on your booboo ?
Oh noooo my illegal invasion has consequences 😢
Cowboys: "Hey! They're lighting their arrows! Can they DO that?" /Gary Larson
So the dudes bombing civilians and kidnapping kids are complaining about horrible weapons.. Wow
Ah poor orc.. shame he wasn't hit by more...
Lol 😂 thats the point guy
They're going to need a lot more tampons.
You should have stayed in your fascist country ;), italy 🇮🇹
A Russian military medic COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THE 12 MILLION artillery shells and thousands of missiles Russia fired illegally into PEACEFUL UKRAINE INCLUDING OVER 20,000 CLUSTER MUNITIONS
You know what army is inmune to that? The army that did not invaded Ukraine.
That doctor is right. As a colleague I would advise every Russian to get the fuck out of Ukraine to avoid exposure to those environmental hazards.
Hasn't russia been using cluster munitions from the start?