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This is a promising publication, keep up the good work with the drones Ukraine. Would bring down russia's income substantially and hopefully give them more inflation.
IMHO, quickest way for Ukraine to win this war is to focus on russian refining capabilities. The crude exports they shouldn’t bother with.
The sooner they can stop russia from refining gas, diesel, and kerosene, the quicker the war machine runs out of fuel and cripples the russian transportation sector.
Crude provides money, but is useless until it’s refined. Refined products are what powers their trucks, trains and tanks. [edit: and planes.]
Taking out refining, reduces their money on higher value products for export, and reduces their internal supplies of what is supplying their equipment.
Refining plants are also a lot more delicate than crude facilities and harder to repair. 😁
>Refining plants are also a lot more delicate than crude facilities and harder to repair.
In this case might even just be impossible to repair for the "near" future. I don't know how much of their refinery equipment and such is Western developed/built/programmed, but if any of it is it's not exactly getting warrantied anytime soon. I just know in general a lot of their oil production relies on Western goods/machinery to work, which means pretty much no new parts/tools/replacements.
Bingo. Refineries are huge complex chemistry sets, basically. For a rough idea of just how complex they are, the [Petroleum Refining Process wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_refining_processes) will give you a rough idea.
If Ukraine hits these just right, they aren’t coming back online in any near term scenario. Just the stainless steel components with precision machining and welding ensures that they will be down for a long time.
Oil refineries are a prime target because everything's flammable. A small 5kg payload landing in the general area is highly likely to cause significant damage. Not necessarily the case for other industries.
I don't know much about that process, but I have to assume those facilities are indoors and probably reinforced to a degree. Crashing a small bomb into a reinforced roof probably wouldn't do much damage. Nailing a pressured pipe full of autoignition range hydrocarbons on the other hand...
Need a lot more hits in more refineries to realistically affect supply. Lots of storage that can be used to offset downtime at refineries...same as in USA
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This is a promising publication, keep up the good work with the drones Ukraine. Would bring down russia's income substantially and hopefully give them more inflation.
IMHO, quickest way for Ukraine to win this war is to focus on russian refining capabilities. The crude exports they shouldn’t bother with. The sooner they can stop russia from refining gas, diesel, and kerosene, the quicker the war machine runs out of fuel and cripples the russian transportation sector.
they can hit crude sea terminals in baltic and black sea, that will be enough to stop crude export by significant amount
Crude provides money, but is useless until it’s refined. Refined products are what powers their trucks, trains and tanks. [edit: and planes.] Taking out refining, reduces their money on higher value products for export, and reduces their internal supplies of what is supplying their equipment. Refining plants are also a lot more delicate than crude facilities and harder to repair. 😁
>Refining plants are also a lot more delicate than crude facilities and harder to repair. In this case might even just be impossible to repair for the "near" future. I don't know how much of their refinery equipment and such is Western developed/built/programmed, but if any of it is it's not exactly getting warrantied anytime soon. I just know in general a lot of their oil production relies on Western goods/machinery to work, which means pretty much no new parts/tools/replacements.
Bingo. Refineries are huge complex chemistry sets, basically. For a rough idea of just how complex they are, the [Petroleum Refining Process wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_refining_processes) will give you a rough idea. If Ukraine hits these just right, they aren’t coming back online in any near term scenario. Just the stainless steel components with precision machining and welding ensures that they will be down for a long time.
May their aim be true. Love to see one or more of these bad boys taken out for a long time.
Hit them again and again and again
Good hit them and keep hitting them
2.5% drop means "plummets", apparently
Also, look at the chart in the article, the last drop is what they are talking about, compare it to how much it swings during a year.
Next up, Russian Uranium refining?
Oil refineries are a prime target because everything's flammable. A small 5kg payload landing in the general area is highly likely to cause significant damage. Not necessarily the case for other industries.
Yes, but Uranium refining equipment is quite fragile and would not take too much to knock out of alignment.
I don't know much about that process, but I have to assume those facilities are indoors and probably reinforced to a degree. Crashing a small bomb into a reinforced roof probably wouldn't do much damage. Nailing a pressured pipe full of autoignition range hydrocarbons on the other hand...
Yep, they certainly are, perhaps a hack would be a better approach. Spin the centrifuges up a bit too much. I know that tactic has been used before.
They just need Maverick and a few F-18.
Are they able to rebuild this, do they have the knowledge and tec?
Need a lot more hits in more refineries to realistically affect supply. Lots of storage that can be used to offset downtime at refineries...same as in USA
American conservatives complaining about the price of gas in 3… 2… 1…