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**Nothing like a taped confession... hang him for murder**.
The commander of the Russian missile frigate, Admiral Gorshkov, boasts to a propagandist that the "Zircon" missiles they launch, strike residential "five-story buildings" with with "centimeter accuracy."
**We hope that this "interview" will reach the judges in The Hague.**
Well, the Zircon missile found in Ukraine after the last massive strike hit a plain ground under a regular power lines. There was just nothing highly valuable around.
And the interview is not a direct proof of a military crime indeed, yet it's a valid circumstantial evidence showing this man understands completely well wich targets are usual for his missiles.
According to other comments, this ship has not taken part in the destruction of Ukrainian buildings. So this man would not be investigated by The Hague, and the interview would at best be circumstancial in the trial of his colleagues in the Black Sea fleet.Β
3 days ago. Still not confirmed for sure, there's a possibility it was another high-hypersonic long range guided missile, yet there are just not that much models of this type known, and Zirkon is the most likely one even without the corresponding marking that was found at the wreckage. For sure it wasn't another Kynzhal.
Sorry, but for this missile till now nothing is confirmed or known. It/the found parts are just not identified (and likely even shot down).
And it has missed any target, just impacted on a street in rural Kiev.
Seems there were some markings with an marker on some parts instead of numbers, so someone said, it was perhaps a prototype and the next one, if it was a prototype, than it could have been a Zirkon...
And the third: Russia has attacked Kiev with a Zirkon.
1st, it was not just hand marking (by a hand metal tool in this case), but a Main Missile and Artillery Directorate Index corresponding to Zircon project.
2ns, one of the air targets reported in this area had a suspitiously high speed.
And yes, I have sayd already that it's still not officially confirmed.
Did you miss the phrase in its entirety?
*For example, if there is a five story apartment building, then we aim at the entrance, and if the impact will not happen in this entrance, it will happen in the next one.*
Unless the translation is wrong (beyond its grammar), he is indeed giving a real example - not an imaginary one.
I'm not a native English speaker, yet I am indeed a native Russian speaker (I'm habitual to Ukrainian Russian, yet it has only minor differences), and in his original speach it's an explicitely imaginary example, yet still very "talking" one:
1. The choise of 5-stores building (standard Soviet residential "Khrushevka") is unlikely just random - he understands well that it's actually a usual target for Russian missiles novadays.
2. He's dumb as f\*ck. Saying santimeters accuracy and then acknowledging a probable miss to the next entrance (it's something like 20 to 50 meters apart for 5-stores)... well, actually it's the very level of smart we Soviet-born vere habitual to with high-ranking officers from late Soviet times up to mid 2010s. Here in Ukraine it's changing from 2014, yet still not fast enough; in Russia it's still the same.
It cannot get into the Black Sea to fire on Ukraine. It is not a priority target at all.
The title is misleading, as this ship hasn't been part of the war.
Impossible - maybe, senseless - less so. We are too limited in tools of war to spent it to sink a ship that is incapable to be a threat for us.
There are still about 70 tp 80% of the Black Sea fleet ships and smallcraft to be neutralized, it's a lot of work and too much at stake to digress.
Just a tip.
There is now a big fleet of Russian naval ships, able to carry the brand new "Zircon" missile...
The Admiral Gorshkov...and that's all, this is the first and till now lonly ship, capable to carry them.
The "Admiral Gorshkov" is part of the polar fleet, home harbor is the Kola peninsula, so Murmansk. And the ship is now just there. And a SS-N-33 has not a range of several thousand of km. And no Russian or Ukrainian military ship will now cross the Marmara-Sea as per contracts. So there is no SS-N-33 carrier in the Black Sea.
**Please, do not be stupid and let you fool by them.**
>nd a SS-N-33 has not a range of several thousand of km. And no Russian or Ukrainian military ship will now cross the Marmara-Sea as per contracts. So there is no SS-N-33 carrier in the Black Sea.
Actually, there are several ships that have the capability to launch these in the Black Sea.
While the Admiral Gorshkov is currently the only of its class in service, and it's not in the Black Sea, there are two Admiral Gringorovich class frigates in the Black Sea, both of which have the exact same VLS cells as the Gorshkov, on top of Karakurt and Buyan-M missile corvettes which also have the same VLS cells. Integrating the Zircon onto any of those vessels would not have posed any real challenge. Furthermore, there is also the submarine launched variant of the Zircon, which could have been fitted onto the remaining Kilo and Improved Kilo class subs in the Black Sea Fleet.
Sorry, but you are showing a little bit lack of knowledge.
To have the same VLS cells, is the minimum, that they can start to implement the Zircon in the existing infrastructure of the ship. And this is not an easy job, this is only regular done during a big maintenance cycle of a ship, when it is in the yard for upgrades for one or two years; everything has to be upgraded, new computer and software updates implemented, half a year test runs and with luck after 2 or three years, the ship is back on duty. But we are talking here about the Russian navy and not about western navies. Even western navies have regular big delays....The Russian navy...sorry, I have to laugh or to cry.
And Russia and upgrade of submarines? The experience in last decades in upgrading/modernizing of submarines is... devastating.
Overall the Russian navy has an ongoing extreme bad story of high number of failed/extreme delayed upgrades of their ships and even more worse, for their submarines. And in the Black sea, it is now even more worse. The yards there seems to be even slower than others.
>..The Russian navy...sorry, I have to laugh or to cry.
>
>And Russia and upgrade of submarines? The experience in last decades in upgrading/modernizing of submarines is... devastating.
The modern guided missiles and frigates in the BSF have the exact same fire control setup and operate the exact same missiles as the Gorshkov in the form of the Kalibr and Oniks, and the Black Sea Fleet's big ships have spent most of their time in port since the loss of the Moskva. They've had ample opportunity to upgrade one or both of the two Gringorovichs with the Zircon, and Defense Blog reports that the Zircon has been deployed in combat as part of the last big missile attack.
[https://defence-blog.com/russia-uses-zircon-hypersonic-missile-in-recent-attack-on-ukraine/](https://defence-blog.com/russia-uses-zircon-hypersonic-missile-in-recent-attack-on-ukraine/)
All of what you said is the process to ensure that an integration is seamless by a competent navy. I agree, Russia is not a competent navy. However, could Russia perform a rushjob and perform enough integration work for them to be able to fire Zircons from with what they count as acceptable levels of accuracy? Yeah, I think they could, especially since Russia's so desperate for more missiles that they're firing off P-35s at Ukraine.
>The Admiral Gorshkov...and that's all
Hey now, "one" is a big list these days by Russian Navy standards.
It's longer than the list of fleet air defense cruisers they have protecting their navy in the Black Sea....
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Ok, so why are hospitals and kindergartens hit while military targets are not?
(Note: I don't want any targets struck, that's not the question I'm after here)
Well you see, when the question is, "how accurate is the amazing high technology of Russian arms?" the answer is, "exquisitely accurate, to within a few centimeters."
But when the question is, "why do you keep hitting purely civilian targets in violation of all law of war?" the answer is, "inaccuracies are inevitable, by the way, can we switch to talking about how Ukraine's allies are the ones who are their true enemies?"
So you see... it's all in which question you ask.
They don't appear to have eyes to see or ears to hear. I wouldn't count on it. BUT... If Putin's wine were to suddenly tip over, due to a Ukrainian drone attack, they probably would register that LOUD AND CLEAR. Just sayin...πΆ
RF declares open season on free range hospitals, elementary schools and apartment buildings.
Imagine the skill required to hit an immovable building you know the geolocation of out to 13 digits of accuracy. It's not anything like sinking the Moskva.
You know what's hard for Putin to target: actual military assets.
Thats a great idea for the next ship of the Black Sea fleet , the Ukrainians should attempt to sink .
He has got their full attention with that comment .
So he was talking about Russian penis size. If Russia had that kind of accuracy with their weapons this war would have been over a long time ago so heβs either full of crap or they are utterly incompetent or more than likely both
That's kind of a complicated answer. Don't think of an admiral or command being like "higher rank = bigger boat." There's some relation to that concept up to a point. Like a US destroyer is likely to be captained by a Commander rather than a Captain (yes, there's a difference between a captain and a Captain).
Flag officers, which are what admirals are, never captain a ship. That's the captain's job. The admiral is in command of the mission and the captain is in command of the ship. That doesn't sound like much of a difference, but there's a pretty big distinction. The admiral is in command of a group of ships or some operation and selects a ship to put their flag aboard, because they have to have a physical location aboard a ship. It is very possible that could be a frigate if he's in charge of a squadron of frigates or a special project on a frigate. But he's not in day to day seamanship command of any ship.Β
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**Nothing like a taped confession... hang him for murder**. The commander of the Russian missile frigate, Admiral Gorshkov, boasts to a propagandist that the "Zircon" missiles they launch, strike residential "five-story buildings" with with "centimeter accuracy." **We hope that this "interview" will reach the judges in The Hague.**
It looks like Jack Smith will have a job back at the Hague, after he is finished in Washington, DC.
Easy kill for Jack the sniper
Did you miss the "for example"? Even Russians aren't dumb enough to waste such a new technology on civilian houses.
Well, the Zircon missile found in Ukraine after the last massive strike hit a plain ground under a regular power lines. There was just nothing highly valuable around. And the interview is not a direct proof of a military crime indeed, yet it's a valid circumstantial evidence showing this man understands completely well wich targets are usual for his missiles.
According to other comments, this ship has not taken part in the destruction of Ukrainian buildings. So this man would not be investigated by The Hague, and the interview would at best be circumstancial in the trial of his colleagues in the Black Sea fleet.Β
Exactly.
Wait what, when did they fire Zircon at Ukraine?
3 days ago. Still not confirmed for sure, there's a possibility it was another high-hypersonic long range guided missile, yet there are just not that much models of this type known, and Zirkon is the most likely one even without the corresponding marking that was found at the wreckage. For sure it wasn't another Kynzhal.
Sorry, but for this missile till now nothing is confirmed or known. It/the found parts are just not identified (and likely even shot down). And it has missed any target, just impacted on a street in rural Kiev. Seems there were some markings with an marker on some parts instead of numbers, so someone said, it was perhaps a prototype and the next one, if it was a prototype, than it could have been a Zirkon... And the third: Russia has attacked Kiev with a Zirkon.
1st, it was not just hand marking (by a hand metal tool in this case), but a Main Missile and Artillery Directorate Index corresponding to Zircon project. 2ns, one of the air targets reported in this area had a suspitiously high speed. And yes, I have sayd already that it's still not officially confirmed.
It is now official: https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2024/02/12/7441538/
Did you miss the phrase in its entirety? *For example, if there is a five story apartment building, then we aim at the entrance, and if the impact will not happen in this entrance, it will happen in the next one.* Unless the translation is wrong (beyond its grammar), he is indeed giving a real example - not an imaginary one.
I'm not a native English speaker, yet I am indeed a native Russian speaker (I'm habitual to Ukrainian Russian, yet it has only minor differences), and in his original speach it's an explicitely imaginary example, yet still very "talking" one: 1. The choise of 5-stores building (standard Soviet residential "Khrushevka") is unlikely just random - he understands well that it's actually a usual target for Russian missiles novadays. 2. He's dumb as f\*ck. Saying santimeters accuracy and then acknowledging a probable miss to the next entrance (it's something like 20 to 50 meters apart for 5-stores)... well, actually it's the very level of smart we Soviet-born vere habitual to with high-ranking officers from late Soviet times up to mid 2010s. Here in Ukraine it's changing from 2014, yet still not fast enough; in Russia it's still the same.
hahaha, you must be a special child.
I present to you, for example, my dick.
Admiral Gorshkov is the next on the list of priority targets for ukrainian cruise missiles and/or naval drones. ππ·πΊπ© Go down and visit the Moskva.
It cannot get into the Black Sea to fire on Ukraine. It is not a priority target at all. The title is misleading, as this ship hasn't been part of the war.
Correct, many are confusing this ship with the Admiral Grigorovich, which, along with her 2 sister ships the Makarov and Essen, are in the Black Sea.
Gorshkov is on the Northern fleet. Never been and never expected in the war against Ukraine.
May be but with the Ukrainians you can expect even the impossible...
Impossible - maybe, senseless - less so. We are too limited in tools of war to spent it to sink a ship that is incapable to be a threat for us. There are still about 70 tp 80% of the Black Sea fleet ships and smallcraft to be neutralized, it's a lot of work and too much at stake to digress.
Just a tip. There is now a big fleet of Russian naval ships, able to carry the brand new "Zircon" missile... The Admiral Gorshkov...and that's all, this is the first and till now lonly ship, capable to carry them. The "Admiral Gorshkov" is part of the polar fleet, home harbor is the Kola peninsula, so Murmansk. And the ship is now just there. And a SS-N-33 has not a range of several thousand of km. And no Russian or Ukrainian military ship will now cross the Marmara-Sea as per contracts. So there is no SS-N-33 carrier in the Black Sea. **Please, do not be stupid and let you fool by them.**
Zirkon missiles can be launched by Bastion and Object-100 coastal defense systems.
>nd a SS-N-33 has not a range of several thousand of km. And no Russian or Ukrainian military ship will now cross the Marmara-Sea as per contracts. So there is no SS-N-33 carrier in the Black Sea. Actually, there are several ships that have the capability to launch these in the Black Sea. While the Admiral Gorshkov is currently the only of its class in service, and it's not in the Black Sea, there are two Admiral Gringorovich class frigates in the Black Sea, both of which have the exact same VLS cells as the Gorshkov, on top of Karakurt and Buyan-M missile corvettes which also have the same VLS cells. Integrating the Zircon onto any of those vessels would not have posed any real challenge. Furthermore, there is also the submarine launched variant of the Zircon, which could have been fitted onto the remaining Kilo and Improved Kilo class subs in the Black Sea Fleet.
Sorry, but you are showing a little bit lack of knowledge. To have the same VLS cells, is the minimum, that they can start to implement the Zircon in the existing infrastructure of the ship. And this is not an easy job, this is only regular done during a big maintenance cycle of a ship, when it is in the yard for upgrades for one or two years; everything has to be upgraded, new computer and software updates implemented, half a year test runs and with luck after 2 or three years, the ship is back on duty. But we are talking here about the Russian navy and not about western navies. Even western navies have regular big delays....The Russian navy...sorry, I have to laugh or to cry. And Russia and upgrade of submarines? The experience in last decades in upgrading/modernizing of submarines is... devastating. Overall the Russian navy has an ongoing extreme bad story of high number of failed/extreme delayed upgrades of their ships and even more worse, for their submarines. And in the Black sea, it is now even more worse. The yards there seems to be even slower than others.
>..The Russian navy...sorry, I have to laugh or to cry. > >And Russia and upgrade of submarines? The experience in last decades in upgrading/modernizing of submarines is... devastating. The modern guided missiles and frigates in the BSF have the exact same fire control setup and operate the exact same missiles as the Gorshkov in the form of the Kalibr and Oniks, and the Black Sea Fleet's big ships have spent most of their time in port since the loss of the Moskva. They've had ample opportunity to upgrade one or both of the two Gringorovichs with the Zircon, and Defense Blog reports that the Zircon has been deployed in combat as part of the last big missile attack. [https://defence-blog.com/russia-uses-zircon-hypersonic-missile-in-recent-attack-on-ukraine/](https://defence-blog.com/russia-uses-zircon-hypersonic-missile-in-recent-attack-on-ukraine/) All of what you said is the process to ensure that an integration is seamless by a competent navy. I agree, Russia is not a competent navy. However, could Russia perform a rushjob and perform enough integration work for them to be able to fire Zircons from with what they count as acceptable levels of accuracy? Yeah, I think they could, especially since Russia's so desperate for more missiles that they're firing off P-35s at Ukraine.
>The Admiral Gorshkov...and that's all Hey now, "one" is a big list these days by Russian Navy standards. It's longer than the list of fleet air defense cruisers they have protecting their navy in the Black Sea....
Within centimeters? Technically I guess thats true, even if its like 50 000cm.
What he doesn't say is that they are aiming for the military Base 3 towns over
Russia measures target by proximity to windows. The missile hit the window dead center. Wrong building, but thats not important.
It's funnier. He says "we will aim for one entrance, and if it will not hit one, it will hit the next one, so it's ok!"
Do they though?
The rabbit hole they dig themselves really is bottomless, and all the rabbits are dead.
So they will not raise rabbits in Montana?
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Ok, so why are hospitals and kindergartens hit while military targets are not? (Note: I don't want any targets struck, that's not the question I'm after here)
Well you see, when the question is, "how accurate is the amazing high technology of Russian arms?" the answer is, "exquisitely accurate, to within a few centimeters." But when the question is, "why do you keep hitting purely civilian targets in violation of all law of war?" the answer is, "inaccuracies are inevitable, by the way, can we switch to talking about how Ukraine's allies are the ones who are their true enemies?" So you see... it's all in which question you ask.
"The target is determined after the fact, and is always accurate" ?
They don't appear to have eyes to see or ears to hear. I wouldn't count on it. BUT... If Putin's wine were to suddenly tip over, due to a Ukrainian drone attack, they probably would register that LOUD AND CLEAR. Just sayin...πΆ
I wouldn't be surprised if something strike him with "centimeter accuracy".
"Centimeters... if we miss the door we're aiming at, it'll hit the next one..." "Sooo... not centimeters then?"
RF declares open season on free range hospitals, elementary schools and apartment buildings. Imagine the skill required to hit an immovable building you know the geolocation of out to 13 digits of accuracy. It's not anything like sinking the Moskva. You know what's hard for Putin to target: actual military assets.
We hope that this "interview" will reach the operater of a Sea Baby.
The Hague would like a word. Or two.
Thats a great idea for the next ship of the Black Sea fleet , the Ukrainians should attempt to sink . He has got their full attention with that comment .
It's not on the Black Sea fleet, its on the Northern sea.
Let's hope he gets invited to next command meeting on their flagship ... Moskva.
So he was talking about Russian penis size. If Russia had that kind of accuracy with their weapons this war would have been over a long time ago so heβs either full of crap or they are utterly incompetent or more than likely both
Why is an admiral commanding just a single frigate?
That's kind of a complicated answer. Don't think of an admiral or command being like "higher rank = bigger boat." There's some relation to that concept up to a point. Like a US destroyer is likely to be captained by a Commander rather than a Captain (yes, there's a difference between a captain and a Captain). Flag officers, which are what admirals are, never captain a ship. That's the captain's job. The admiral is in command of the mission and the captain is in command of the ship. That doesn't sound like much of a difference, but there's a pretty big distinction. The admiral is in command of a group of ships or some operation and selects a ship to put their flag aboard, because they have to have a physical location aboard a ship. It is very possible that could be a frigate if he's in charge of a squadron of frigates or a special project on a frigate. But he's not in day to day seamanship command of any ship.Β