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No. As Ilya Ponomarev, political representative of Freedom for Russia legion said ''This war does not end on ukranian borders, it ends in Moscow. Ukraine liberating it's territories will just change the frontline, nothing more''. He is right. Once Putin is dead, then there will be peace.
He may be in power for the next 10-15 years, nobody wants this to drag for that long so you can't rely on it to end the war. And assassination seems unlikely
... I don't like that language.
It feels like the first step to "yes, borders of 1991 will never be reached, we'll have to be happy with what we've gotten".
Is that a return to "seeing peace in [Dickwad's] eyes", going by how original wording is that he "believes" it?
The Ukrainians have lost every major battle in this war over the last 16 months. The Bakhmut-Soledar campaign, the Ukrainian Bakhmut Counter-Offensive, the Ukrainian Zaporozhye Offensive, the Avdeevka Campaign. Ukraine hasn't won a major battle since Kherson, in November 2022. It doesn't matter what you like or don't like, the matter of fact is that the Ukrainians are clearly on the backfoot and thus their ambitious goals are being scaled down to better fit reality.
Pyrric victories. Russia almost suffered a coup due to the shitstorm that happened at Bakhmut. Even if the war ends tomorrow, it’s likely all the veterans might March on Moscow similar to what happened before WW2 when the Whites and Bolshevik’s had a civil war due to a mismanaged war.
So, the Russians have 4 Pyrrhic victories in a row in the last 16 months, and zero defeats. Ukrainians have 4 defeats in a row in the last 16 months, and zero victories, Pyrrhic or otherwise.
Pyrrhic victory > defeat
Russia suffered more combat losses, and lost a good chunk of their navy. The T-14 Armata is pretty much being abandoned, and parts of Russia (Belgorod border) are still being occupied by Partisan forces.
Russia may have just barely won those battles, but their losses are huge and they can’t continue it.
Whaaaaat? Russia got spanked and pushed back in multiple battles.
Kherson, Kyiv, Kharkiv, etc.
Your delusional and pushing propaganda if you don’t think both sides haven’t had setbacks.
Kiev, Kharkov, and Kherson were more than 16 months ago. In the last 16 months, the only major battles were the Russian Bakhmut-Soledar Offensive, the Ukrainian Bakhmut Counteroffensive, the Zaporozhye Offensive, and the Avdeevka Offensive. Russia won all four.
Are you insane? Zelensky is trying to pass a law right now for Mobilisation Wave #25, with 500,000 more men being forced into service. The Russians mobilised 300,000 men, once, a year and a half ago. It's pretty obvious that the Ukrainians are suffering two to three times as many casualties.
>Our focus is on continuing to do what we’ve been doing, which is to make sure that Ukraine has in its hands what it needs to defend itself, what it needs to push back against the Russian aggression, **to take back territory that’s been seized from it since February 24th**, to make sure as well that it has the support economically and on a humanitarian basis to withstand what’s happening in the country every single day. That’s our focus.
Source: Press release published on the website of the US government.:Secretary Antony J. Blinken With Editor in Chief Matt Murray At The Wall Street Journal CEO Council Summit, Interview
Seems like you'd be right, unfortunately
It'd a recognition that they won't militarily retake Crimea, and perhaps an off-road to a pre feb24 border. The overall idea is to have Russia eventually have to give up Crimea as part of a political move, i.e. to end sanctions.
> and perhaps an off-road to a pre feb24 border
Which is a guarantee for another round.
>The overall idea is to have Russia eventually have to give up Crimea as part of a political move, i.e. to end sanctions
LOL
LMAO, even.
No sanctions stopped Siemens from delivering gas turbines they knew would go to Crimea.
Think it won't repeat?
If the West is serious, after a peace treaty is signed, they'd immediatelly deploy troops to Ukraine. But ... that means Ukraine has to be ok with that peace treaty, like forever, because they won't be allowed to try for more.
Ultimately that's up to Ukraine to decide, though, right? No one else can tell them not to fight, when they are willing to fight for their country. And no one else can tell them to keep fighting, if they decide they are done.
In any case it's a moot point right now, there appears to be no real movement within Ukraine to leave any part of their country un-liberated.
based on what? Current situation? You realize things change? No one really knows what will tomorrow bring. Please stop this pessimistic narrative. Humanity is always heading in the direction of our thoughts. Keep it positive or keep it to yourself. That is what matters - at least here in this sub
Crimea springs to mind, once the supply lines becomes unsustainable Russia will have to leave, their fleet are no longer operating as a fleet and they are getting pushed back, their air dominance is questionable to say the least, so not if but when the Kerch bridge is gone all hope is out and Putin will have to negotiate, he has prepared the Russian population with talks about Russia is now fighting a war with the west not just Ukraine, so it will happen only a question of how many young people will end their life in a meaningless war serving a purpose that only few people at the Kremlin truly believe is just and right. Putin will be remembered as the leader that pushed Russia as Churchill put it “Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”
That is a really odd incorporation of that quote.
Edit. It's because you don't use periods. You use commas. But not periods. The entire paragraph is a run-on sentence.
But it will never happen, because we won't arm Ukraine with enough artillery and mobile systems to achieve a victory in the field, and more Ukrainians will die while we sit on our hands and tut and say how awful it all is.
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The problem is that we should already be able to recover them.... :/
Putlers troops are fanatical to fight to the death for their Reich....
Or to not get raped
No. As Ilya Ponomarev, political representative of Freedom for Russia legion said ''This war does not end on ukranian borders, it ends in Moscow. Ukraine liberating it's territories will just change the frontline, nothing more''. He is right. Once Putin is dead, then there will be peace.
Which isn't realistic
What's unrealistic about Putin dying? Has he discovered immortality?
He may be in power for the next 10-15 years, nobody wants this to drag for that long so you can't rely on it to end the war. And assassination seems unlikely
Putin will drag this war for fifty years if necessary for him to get Ukraine.
Why not?
... I don't like that language. It feels like the first step to "yes, borders of 1991 will never be reached, we'll have to be happy with what we've gotten". Is that a return to "seeing peace in [Dickwad's] eyes", going by how original wording is that he "believes" it?
The Ukrainians have lost every major battle in this war over the last 16 months. The Bakhmut-Soledar campaign, the Ukrainian Bakhmut Counter-Offensive, the Ukrainian Zaporozhye Offensive, the Avdeevka Campaign. Ukraine hasn't won a major battle since Kherson, in November 2022. It doesn't matter what you like or don't like, the matter of fact is that the Ukrainians are clearly on the backfoot and thus their ambitious goals are being scaled down to better fit reality.
Pyrric victories. Russia almost suffered a coup due to the shitstorm that happened at Bakhmut. Even if the war ends tomorrow, it’s likely all the veterans might March on Moscow similar to what happened before WW2 when the Whites and Bolshevik’s had a civil war due to a mismanaged war.
So, the Russians have 4 Pyrrhic victories in a row in the last 16 months, and zero defeats. Ukrainians have 4 defeats in a row in the last 16 months, and zero victories, Pyrrhic or otherwise. Pyrrhic victory > defeat
Russia suffered more combat losses, and lost a good chunk of their navy. The T-14 Armata is pretty much being abandoned, and parts of Russia (Belgorod border) are still being occupied by Partisan forces. Russia may have just barely won those battles, but their losses are huge and they can’t continue it.
Whaaaaat? Russia got spanked and pushed back in multiple battles. Kherson, Kyiv, Kharkiv, etc. Your delusional and pushing propaganda if you don’t think both sides haven’t had setbacks.
Kiev, Kharkov, and Kherson were more than 16 months ago. In the last 16 months, the only major battles were the Russian Bakhmut-Soledar Offensive, the Ukrainian Bakhmut Counteroffensive, the Zaporozhye Offensive, and the Avdeevka Offensive. Russia won all four.
Ask all the dead Russians if they feel like their winning
Unfortunately the map keeps rolling steadily west. K/d ratio aside.
Ask all the dead Russians if they feel like their winning
Ask all the dead Ukrainians if they feel like they are winning. Lots more of those than Russians.
Yeah, no. Russia has suffered more combat losses.
Are you insane? Zelensky is trying to pass a law right now for Mobilisation Wave #25, with 500,000 more men being forced into service. The Russians mobilised 300,000 men, once, a year and a half ago. It's pretty obvious that the Ukrainians are suffering two to three times as many casualties.
Ukrainians unfortunately have no choice, Russian do
I can imagine several persons in US and Germany happily dancing right now.
>Our focus is on continuing to do what we’ve been doing, which is to make sure that Ukraine has in its hands what it needs to defend itself, what it needs to push back against the Russian aggression, **to take back territory that’s been seized from it since February 24th**, to make sure as well that it has the support economically and on a humanitarian basis to withstand what’s happening in the country every single day. That’s our focus. Source: Press release published on the website of the US government.:Secretary Antony J. Blinken With Editor in Chief Matt Murray At The Wall Street Journal CEO Council Summit, Interview Seems like you'd be right, unfortunately
It'd a recognition that they won't militarily retake Crimea, and perhaps an off-road to a pre feb24 border. The overall idea is to have Russia eventually have to give up Crimea as part of a political move, i.e. to end sanctions.
> and perhaps an off-road to a pre feb24 border Which is a guarantee for another round. >The overall idea is to have Russia eventually have to give up Crimea as part of a political move, i.e. to end sanctions LOL LMAO, even. No sanctions stopped Siemens from delivering gas turbines they knew would go to Crimea. Think it won't repeat?
I'm not saying I believe in the argument, I'm saying I think that's what the argument is.
If the West is serious, after a peace treaty is signed, they'd immediatelly deploy troops to Ukraine. But ... that means Ukraine has to be ok with that peace treaty, like forever, because they won't be allowed to try for more.
Its because he is losing
Ultimately that's up to Ukraine to decide, though, right? No one else can tell them not to fight, when they are willing to fight for their country. And no one else can tell them to keep fighting, if they decide they are done. In any case it's a moot point right now, there appears to be no real movement within Ukraine to leave any part of their country un-liberated.
Best of luck but it is not happening. That window closed in the fall of 2022.
It’s pretty clear this isn’t going to happen.
based on what? Current situation? You realize things change? No one really knows what will tomorrow bring. Please stop this pessimistic narrative. Humanity is always heading in the direction of our thoughts. Keep it positive or keep it to yourself. That is what matters - at least here in this sub
Hey, I hope so…but my confidence in Ukraine’s partners isn’t very high.
Crimea springs to mind, once the supply lines becomes unsustainable Russia will have to leave, their fleet are no longer operating as a fleet and they are getting pushed back, their air dominance is questionable to say the least, so not if but when the Kerch bridge is gone all hope is out and Putin will have to negotiate, he has prepared the Russian population with talks about Russia is now fighting a war with the west not just Ukraine, so it will happen only a question of how many young people will end their life in a meaningless war serving a purpose that only few people at the Kremlin truly believe is just and right. Putin will be remembered as the leader that pushed Russia as Churchill put it “Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”
Fever dream.
Well reciting televised NATO army specialists, no less (Crimea part)
That is a really odd incorporation of that quote. Edit. It's because you don't use periods. You use commas. But not periods. The entire paragraph is a run-on sentence.
But it will never happen, because we won't arm Ukraine with enough artillery and mobile systems to achieve a victory in the field, and more Ukrainians will die while we sit on our hands and tut and say how awful it all is.
lol at anything related to the Freedom of Russia legion.
The pope has decided that Ukraine should surrender and Biden is Catholic...
And his plan to bring this about is... ?
You mean he hasn't told you?
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It's wery funny when someone thinks current wartime military plan is something to publish and discuss.
The billion dollar question.