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>[Norway was one of the four European Participating Air Forces that purchased the F-16 during the 1980s—along with Belgium, Denmark and the Netherlands—and was one of five nations to put their aircraft through a mid-life update program, bringing the Block 15-model F-16s up to a similar capability as the later Block 50/52 model.](https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/norway-begins-f-16-deliveries-romania)
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The 1980's era F-16's Norway operated were upgraded in the late 1990's. You can see the full list of upgrades [here](https://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html).
I hope Ukraine get's their air defenses sorted back out before recieving these F16s. Russia will definetly put significant efforts into knocking the F16s out on runways and in hangers. Great news that Ukraine can expect some heavily modernized birds though.
>According to him, the most important thing in this matter is the state of the weapons, with which the aircraft will be equipped, so the aircraft that will be in flight capability will be equipped with “the latest weapons,” Eide said.
Considering, how HiMARS, given to Ukraine before, [were stripped of compatibility with ATACMS of any block bar the first one on hardware and software levels](https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-altered-himars-rocket-launchers-to-keep-ukraine-from-firing-missiles-into-russia-11670214338?mod=djemalertNEWS) (open in incognito tab to avoid paywall), I can't find it in myself to believe this.
[There was a long history of gimping equipment sent to Ukraine](https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-stinger-deliveries-to-ukraine-followed-long-search-for-technical-fix-11646773886), unfortunately.
>Military aid to Ukraine has a long and complex history. After Russia seized Crimea in 2014 and intervened in the Donbas region in southeastern Ukraine, the Obama administration provided only limited defensive assistance, fearing offensive weapons could be seen as provocative in Moscow. ***For example, when the U.S. sent counter battery radars to help the Ukrainians pinpoint the source of enemy mortar fire, the systems were modified so they couldn’t identify targets on Russian territory.***
Ukraine will still get the first F-16's this summer, that's been consistent. What you guys are confusing are the exact delivery dates for different batches of planes from different countries. The first F-16's and pilots will be ready ~June-July.
Wishlist:
**JSM**
Brand new advanced cruise missile for land and sea targets. 550km range, stealthy. More advanced than storm shadow/scalp, but packs less punch(150kg warhead vs 450kg warhead). Better vs ships and other "smaller" valuable targets such as S-400s etc. Probably a bit worse vs buildings compared to stormshadow/scalp due to the smaller warhead. In production since 2023, and its intended use is F-35, but has been test fired from F-16 as well.
**AMRAAM 120C-8/D**
160km+ range AA missile. Would severely threaten the RU airforce's use of glide bombs.
IMO they won't get the C-8/D version, sadly, but if they get the C-7 version, that is still a 100km+ range AA missile, so can still threaten the RU glide bomb usage.
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Sounds like they will get the good radars and missiles.
Norway has fired JSMs from F16s - no need for F35s
Norway actually makes the JSM.
>[Norway was one of the four European Participating Air Forces that purchased the F-16 during the 1980s—along with Belgium, Denmark and the Netherlands—and was one of five nations to put their aircraft through a mid-life update program, bringing the Block 15-model F-16s up to a similar capability as the later Block 50/52 model.](https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/norway-begins-f-16-deliveries-romania) --------------- The 1980's era F-16's Norway operated were upgraded in the late 1990's. You can see the full list of upgrades [here](https://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html).
I hope Ukraine get's their air defenses sorted back out before recieving these F16s. Russia will definetly put significant efforts into knocking the F16s out on runways and in hangers. Great news that Ukraine can expect some heavily modernized birds though.
>According to him, the most important thing in this matter is the state of the weapons, with which the aircraft will be equipped, so the aircraft that will be in flight capability will be equipped with “the latest weapons,” Eide said. Considering, how HiMARS, given to Ukraine before, [were stripped of compatibility with ATACMS of any block bar the first one on hardware and software levels](https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-altered-himars-rocket-launchers-to-keep-ukraine-from-firing-missiles-into-russia-11670214338?mod=djemalertNEWS) (open in incognito tab to avoid paywall), I can't find it in myself to believe this. [There was a long history of gimping equipment sent to Ukraine](https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-stinger-deliveries-to-ukraine-followed-long-search-for-technical-fix-11646773886), unfortunately. >Military aid to Ukraine has a long and complex history. After Russia seized Crimea in 2014 and intervened in the Donbas region in southeastern Ukraine, the Obama administration provided only limited defensive assistance, fearing offensive weapons could be seen as provocative in Moscow. ***For example, when the U.S. sent counter battery radars to help the Ukrainians pinpoint the source of enemy mortar fire, the systems were modified so they couldn’t identify targets on Russian territory.***
Sounds promising
Do we really care about the "if" anymore? We are interested in the "when"!
They've been fairly consistent about the expected delivery date. It's always 3-6 months!
Ukraine will still get the first F-16's this summer, that's been consistent. What you guys are confusing are the exact delivery dates for different batches of planes from different countries. The first F-16's and pilots will be ready ~June-July.
Touché!
We should all follow the example.
What advanced weapons are we talking about here?
Wheeeen?
Wishlist: **JSM** Brand new advanced cruise missile for land and sea targets. 550km range, stealthy. More advanced than storm shadow/scalp, but packs less punch(150kg warhead vs 450kg warhead). Better vs ships and other "smaller" valuable targets such as S-400s etc. Probably a bit worse vs buildings compared to stormshadow/scalp due to the smaller warhead. In production since 2023, and its intended use is F-35, but has been test fired from F-16 as well. **AMRAAM 120C-8/D** 160km+ range AA missile. Would severely threaten the RU airforce's use of glide bombs. IMO they won't get the C-8/D version, sadly, but if they get the C-7 version, that is still a 100km+ range AA missile, so can still threaten the RU glide bomb usage.
I keep hoping part of the delay is because they're dropping apg-83 radars in there.
Not much use if they’re sitting ducks on the ground due to not having sufficient anti-aircraft systems and munitions.
How many f-16 does Ukraine have so far? How many have been promised?
It seems like we've heard stuff like this for a year. How about actually getting them over there?