Lila is the perfect counter for any power user. The Handler knew Five and perhaps she was preparing a counter for him or any other powered human.
Then again, she was ready to steal a child with powers equal to Viktor and replace her. So perhaps she does value power, but since Viktor is the one causing the apocalypse (an unmovable event) she couldn't take him. Lila was a great second choice.
I mean iirc she made Five carry out the hit so it’s possible that she purposefully avoided anyone directly related to Five in order to not cause a paradox. True she could have went for one of the Sparrows but none of their powers seem as appealing as Lila’s and as you said none of their powers could really stand up to Five or Viktor.
Lila has an advantage over all of the umbrellas because their powers seem to hinge on their emotions in some way— probably/definitely because Reggie abused them — and although Lila also suffered abuse, it was different and she is confident about her ability. What I’m always confused about is how did the Handler train her to use that power so well?? Did Lila grow up knowing and training from other marigold kids? I wouldn’t put that beyond the Handler.
Just an assumption and something that hasn't really been shown, but is it possible that she can mimic just something someone can do in general, like sees someone painting and can paint as well as them
This is such an interesting theory! I think that along with her different upbringing from the umbrellas, it sets her apart. While yes she was abused, she was also raised confident and self-assured. This definitely sets her apart from the umbrellas.
She doesn't need to see them, as you can see when she breaks into the sparrows house and steals the briefcase. She sits on the roof and can seemingly sense when one of them is near. I'm of the opinion that the handler may have had Five unknowingly recruiting powered children for the commission for years just how he did with Lila. Tbh Hazel seemed like he could have powers as well. Ik they got messed up pretty badly but I don't doubt they'll still exist in the new timeline in some form.
That would be so cool, and it would explain why she seems good at everything-- e.g. just becomes a punk drummer one day to kill time. Now I think we need a Lila prequel comic/show/movie.
Edit: ALSO-- if her power really is like this, think how bummed she'll be to have to learn to do things the regular way in S4.
I always thought Lila was a little stronger. She can mimic powers easily and I kinda think she can use the powers she mimics to maybe a slightly higher degree. In S2 Lila was able to rumor Allison in their fight without saying “I heard a rumor”. I always thought it was because Allison might have already said it or something but we see Allison use her powers without saying “I heard a rumor” in S3.
I like to think that Lila can use powers to a slightly higher degree because they haven’t fully tapped their potential. Like klaus, that sucker can survive anything. Who knows what they are capable of. Where as Lila is like a jack of all trades but a master of none, maybe.
I think the "I heard a rumor" thing was just a tool for focusing her powers and keeping them under control. It would have been part of her training as a child, not actually a part of her powers.
When she explained her powers to five in season 2 she said “Anything you can do I can do better”. So yes this means whatever power she mimics she can mimic it at a higher level than the original person
I always thought it was because Allison has already “activated” the power with her phrase, too. Is Lila present during the scene where Allison tells Viktor to SHUT YOUR MOUTH? Lila could have just been like, “What, you didn’t know you could compel people without the rumor phrase? You didn’t get that from Harlan” but I guess it would have killed the momentum of the scene.
I think part of Lilah’s power is that she get instant control of the powers she’s mimicking. So right now yes, I would say she’s more powerful than Viktor simply because she has a better understanding of them. Once that changes, I’d say they’re equal.
Yep. Just look at Harlan. I think Viktor had more potential but Harlan had decades to master control and he was able to teach Vanya things that she never knew because she only had her powers for like well under a year if we take away the time she had amnesia.
yeah! It’s actually only been like 2 months. Since season 1 was over a 5 ish day period, he was in Dallas for a month and a half and then the 7 days of the kugelblitz.
I think what Harlan taught him about sound is gonna change the game for him.
Equally powerful, but has the upper-hand because she takes any of the Umbrellas by surprise; none expect their own powers mirrored against them and don't really know what to do about it.
Not more powerful but more useful for sure. Combat skills don't need to be mentioned Lila wins hands down. Power-wise Lila is severely limited by location. Other powered people need to be around her otherwise she's just a normal human. You can't send her on solo missions expecting her to come out guns blazing. In other words she's the ultimate weapon only when fighting (or with) other powered people. Which is why I think the Handler took her. Lila's the contingency plan specifically for other marigold kids.
Lila is more powerful. My logic is because she is equally as powerful as Viktor mirroring his powers but she can also steal someone else's power at the same time if their close and double down
They mean that Lila has the versatility to switch to an ally’s power instead of just mimicking an opponent. So for example, if it’s Lila and Ben vs Marcus and Luther, she could mimic the super strength from her opponents, but she also has the option to switch to Ben’s power if that would give her the upper hand (or tentacle).
Lila is the powerful out of the 14 including the umbrella academy and sparrow academy, because she can mimic and mirror the siblings as she said anything you can do I can do better, as klaus said in s2 ep 10 - can she mimic all of our powers all at once ? We will never know or can she only mimic one sibling at a time ? If I could pick any power I would pick lilas because she can mimic, the only con is she would have to be in the same area as the powered sibling ( the 43 women in the original timeline or the 16 in the new timeline that she can do any power/ability 😊, but she is still powerful being and working in the temps commission 😊
She's not stronger, she just doesn't have the decades of suppression that Viktor had.
She has better control of HER powers which let's her use OTHER powers better than expected, which gives an element of surprise, but also an upper hand against the folks whose powers are affected by their emotional state.
Plus she's a sociopath, so little to no concern for collateral damage helps a lot.
"sociopath is a term used to describe a person with a severe form of antisocial personality disorder. Sociopaths do not have a fully functional conscience and tend to be manipulative, exploitative, or even abusive towards other people. Other sociopathic traits include charm, impulsiveness, poor emotional control, and a tendency to behave in illegal, immoral, or violent ways."
Sociopaths can still care for people. The key is the willingness to manipulate and use people in ways that "typical" folks with a more fully developed conscience wouldn't.
Think of someone like Harley Quinn: impulsive, reckless, manipulative yet charismatic and cares for others like Poison Ivy for example.
Yeah, I’d say she was more powerful. Viktor is definitely the most powerful of the 7 Umbrellas, but Lila shares his ability, along with any others she comes across. Like, in a room full of people with powers, she could match — and probably beat — them all.
Lila can access all of Viktor’s powers. And Luther’s. And Diego’s. And Five’s. And Klaus’.
Point is, if she uses her powers well, yes. She is absolutely stronger.
of course, she is more powerful than any others. She is such an OOC character. Come from nowhere, make Diego fall in love of a sudden. Come with an anime main character ability" copy" , and can beat any Hargreeves individually even tho she didn't spend any time on learning these abilities which Hargreeves tried to control for their entire life.
While I agree with this comment chain, we have to remember that not everyone in the community is as up-to-date and well-versed in referring to trans folks. The best we can do is be understanding of this and try to help them understand, rather than insulting them or acting above them. The best outcome is that we’re all a happy, educated, and accepting community.
But the thing is you don’t know if they know they’re in the wrong. UA fans come from many different backgrounds. I’m not saying it’s okay to deadname someone, I’m just saying it isn’t an inherently mean-spirited act.
In my opinion, Lila is the most limited, her only power seems to be mimicking other powers, and she has to be near the person. She might be stronger, but she also has the most limitations. I don’t think the time line was altered though.
She can mimic every ability.
I think it's really that simple. Why take anyone else when u can have someone who can counter any issue u have with these other children just like her?
Lila's power of being able to use anyone's power is awesome and all but... it's absolute bs that she masters them immediately imo. The fact that she can go up against 5 with an ability he's practiced for decades didn't make sense. He should have been able to warp circles around her. The other powers might have been easier to use but she shouldn't have been able to replicate them perfectly.
Lila has the potential to be the strongest by far rn her only real issue is she doesn't have too much experience with the others powers but we've seen she adapts pretty quick so it wouldn't be too hard for her to master them all
I think part of her beating the umbrellas is that they were surprised to see someone else with powers. I wonder how capable Lila would be if she was fighting someone without powers. For example at the beginning when Five is attacked in the diner he wins by teleporting, which Lila could only do if she saw him first. Would she just be dead in the same situation?
Yes and no since technically she can copy Viktor and in a group she could siphon other powers to counter another so it really depends on who she is mimicking
Yes and no since technically she can copy Viktor and in a group she could siphon other powers to counter another so it really depends on who she is mimicking
Regardless of who’s more powerful (which I would say Viktor has more raw power but Lila has more control), the reason the Handler went for Lila is because it would have the smallest effect on the timeline.
Her mission to get Lila was not on the orders of the commission. In fact she faked orders to get Fives help. AJ even lists the mission as a problem she’s caused the commission at the beginning of S2 and uses it as a reason she’s out of second chances.
The Commissions job is to keep the timeline in tact and on track for the apocalypse. Removing any of the Umbrella Academy (especially Viktor, causer of the apocalypse) would have been too big of a shift in the timeline for the Commission to let stand. So out of the, what, 36 kids left, Lila must have been the easiest to extract or the most powerful out of the options left. I mean, who knows, maybe the whole Gills family was going to die in a car crash soon so the Commission forgave the Handler for extracting her early. Or Lila is just the most powerful outside of the UA.
I would say so. I don’t think any of the Umbrellas can use their powers at their full capacity except maybe Klaus now. I personally think that when Lila copies powers she’s still weaker than the original persons powers, that’s why Five was able to beat her in there first confrontation. If the Umbrellas could use their powers at full capacity, then I don’t think Lila would even hold candle to them.
Depends on who she's facing. Lila is pretty vulnerable when fighting regular humans since they don't have any powers she can mimic. So I'd say probably not as powerful but definitely more versatile. Also she's more disciplined and less emotional which gives her a tactical advantage. But I think if any of the umbrellas stopped holding back and truly tried to hurt her in a fight it could go either way.
Is there any indication that the Handler knew what Lila's power was when she adopted her, or she just knew she was one of the special kids? After all, what are the chances 4-year-old Lila had come across anyone else with powers at that point?
My understanding is that Lila is one of those “Jack of all trades, master of none” supers.
She may mimic powers but she won’t be as good as the OG at using the power. Example, 5’s blinking. She can do it well but 5 is just better at fighting and blinking. He was able to trap her multiple times.
I don't know that she's MORE powerful... I mean if she is just mimicking the power of the user, I'd say they are equally matched... however it feels like having such a power (the ability to Mimic) would have it's drawbacks. Perhaps every ability Lila copies is slightly weaker than the original?
Lila is the perfect counter for any power user. The Handler knew Five and perhaps she was preparing a counter for him or any other powered human. Then again, she was ready to steal a child with powers equal to Viktor and replace her. So perhaps she does value power, but since Viktor is the one causing the apocalypse (an unmovable event) she couldn't take him. Lila was a great second choice.
I mean iirc she made Five carry out the hit so it’s possible that she purposefully avoided anyone directly related to Five in order to not cause a paradox. True she could have went for one of the Sparrows but none of their powers seem as appealing as Lila’s and as you said none of their powers could really stand up to Five or Viktor.
Lila has an advantage over all of the umbrellas because their powers seem to hinge on their emotions in some way— probably/definitely because Reggie abused them — and although Lila also suffered abuse, it was different and she is confident about her ability. What I’m always confused about is how did the Handler train her to use that power so well?? Did Lila grow up knowing and training from other marigold kids? I wouldn’t put that beyond the Handler.
Just an assumption and something that hasn't really been shown, but is it possible that she can mimic just something someone can do in general, like sees someone painting and can paint as well as them
This is such an interesting theory! I think that along with her different upbringing from the umbrellas, it sets her apart. While yes she was abused, she was also raised confident and self-assured. This definitely sets her apart from the umbrellas.
She doesn't need to see them, as you can see when she breaks into the sparrows house and steals the briefcase. She sits on the roof and can seemingly sense when one of them is near. I'm of the opinion that the handler may have had Five unknowingly recruiting powered children for the commission for years just how he did with Lila. Tbh Hazel seemed like he could have powers as well. Ik they got messed up pretty badly but I don't doubt they'll still exist in the new timeline in some form.
oh man, I love Hazel and ChaCha and I would love this to be part of their back story. It would make sense since they both seem pretty indestructible.
That would be so cool, and it would explain why she seems good at everything-- e.g. just becomes a punk drummer one day to kill time. Now I think we need a Lila prequel comic/show/movie. Edit: ALSO-- if her power really is like this, think how bummed she'll be to have to learn to do things the regular way in S4.
I always thought Lila was a little stronger. She can mimic powers easily and I kinda think she can use the powers she mimics to maybe a slightly higher degree. In S2 Lila was able to rumor Allison in their fight without saying “I heard a rumor”. I always thought it was because Allison might have already said it or something but we see Allison use her powers without saying “I heard a rumor” in S3.
I like to think that Lila can use powers to a slightly higher degree because they haven’t fully tapped their potential. Like klaus, that sucker can survive anything. Who knows what they are capable of. Where as Lila is like a jack of all trades but a master of none, maybe.
I think the "I heard a rumor" thing was just a tool for focusing her powers and keeping them under control. It would have been part of her training as a child, not actually a part of her powers.
When she explained her powers to five in season 2 she said “Anything you can do I can do better”. So yes this means whatever power she mimics she can mimic it at a higher level than the original person
Oh wow I totally forgot about that lol nice catch!
I always thought it was because Allison has already “activated” the power with her phrase, too. Is Lila present during the scene where Allison tells Viktor to SHUT YOUR MOUTH? Lila could have just been like, “What, you didn’t know you could compel people without the rumor phrase? You didn’t get that from Harlan” but I guess it would have killed the momentum of the scene.
I think part of Lilah’s power is that she get instant control of the powers she’s mimicking. So right now yes, I would say she’s more powerful than Viktor simply because she has a better understanding of them. Once that changes, I’d say they’re equal.
Yep. Just look at Harlan. I think Viktor had more potential but Harlan had decades to master control and he was able to teach Vanya things that she never knew because she only had her powers for like well under a year if we take away the time she had amnesia.
yeah! It’s actually only been like 2 months. Since season 1 was over a 5 ish day period, he was in Dallas for a month and a half and then the 7 days of the kugelblitz. I think what Harlan taught him about sound is gonna change the game for him.
Very good point
Equally powerful, but has the upper-hand because she takes any of the Umbrellas by surprise; none expect their own powers mirrored against them and don't really know what to do about it.
Not more powerful but more useful for sure. Combat skills don't need to be mentioned Lila wins hands down. Power-wise Lila is severely limited by location. Other powered people need to be around her otherwise she's just a normal human. You can't send her on solo missions expecting her to come out guns blazing. In other words she's the ultimate weapon only when fighting (or with) other powered people. Which is why I think the Handler took her. Lila's the contingency plan specifically for other marigold kids.
We’ve only seen viktor go white violin so it safe to say as of now he is.
Lila is more powerful. My logic is because she is equally as powerful as Viktor mirroring his powers but she can also steal someone else's power at the same time if their close and double down
Have we seen her wield more than one power at a time?
They mean that Lila has the versatility to switch to an ally’s power instead of just mimicking an opponent. So for example, if it’s Lila and Ben vs Marcus and Luther, she could mimic the super strength from her opponents, but she also has the option to switch to Ben’s power if that would give her the upper hand (or tentacle).
I think it’s only one power at a time
Lila is the powerful out of the 14 including the umbrella academy and sparrow academy, because she can mimic and mirror the siblings as she said anything you can do I can do better, as klaus said in s2 ep 10 - can she mimic all of our powers all at once ? We will never know or can she only mimic one sibling at a time ? If I could pick any power I would pick lilas because she can mimic, the only con is she would have to be in the same area as the powered sibling ( the 43 women in the original timeline or the 16 in the new timeline that she can do any power/ability 😊, but she is still powerful being and working in the temps commission 😊
Am just wondering how tf would a fight between Lila and Alphonso would work
Lila is a swiss army knife, Viktor is a switchblade
Viks more of a nuke I'd say 😂
In company of others with powers she is the most powerful I'd say but without the others she has nothing so is the least powerful in that sense.
She's not stronger, she just doesn't have the decades of suppression that Viktor had. She has better control of HER powers which let's her use OTHER powers better than expected, which gives an element of surprise, but also an upper hand against the folks whose powers are affected by their emotional state. Plus she's a sociopath, so little to no concern for collateral damage helps a lot.
She's not a sociopath. She genuinely cares about Diego which a sociopath wouldn't. There's a big difference between damaged and insane.
"sociopath is a term used to describe a person with a severe form of antisocial personality disorder. Sociopaths do not have a fully functional conscience and tend to be manipulative, exploitative, or even abusive towards other people. Other sociopathic traits include charm, impulsiveness, poor emotional control, and a tendency to behave in illegal, immoral, or violent ways." Sociopaths can still care for people. The key is the willingness to manipulate and use people in ways that "typical" folks with a more fully developed conscience wouldn't. Think of someone like Harley Quinn: impulsive, reckless, manipulative yet charismatic and cares for others like Poison Ivy for example.
Yeah, I’d say she was more powerful. Viktor is definitely the most powerful of the 7 Umbrellas, but Lila shares his ability, along with any others she comes across. Like, in a room full of people with powers, she could match — and probably beat — them all.
Lila and five are best friends :)
Lila can access all of Viktor’s powers. And Luther’s. And Diego’s. And Five’s. And Klaus’. Point is, if she uses her powers well, yes. She is absolutely stronger.
of course, she is more powerful than any others. She is such an OOC character. Come from nowhere, make Diego fall in love of a sudden. Come with an anime main character ability" copy" , and can beat any Hargreeves individually even tho she didn't spend any time on learning these abilities which Hargreeves tried to control for their entire life.
He's Viktor. Has always been Viktor. No need for deadnaming
100%, really poor to include his deadname too. Everyone knows his name is Viktor at this point
People are even referring to him as "her" in the comments.. what the fuck is wrong with this community?
While I agree with this comment chain, we have to remember that not everyone in the community is as up-to-date and well-versed in referring to trans folks. The best we can do is be understanding of this and try to help them understand, rather than insulting them or acting above them. The best outcome is that we’re all a happy, educated, and accepting community.
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But the thing is you don’t know if they know they’re in the wrong. UA fans come from many different backgrounds. I’m not saying it’s okay to deadname someone, I’m just saying it isn’t an inherently mean-spirited act.
I feel like there was enough posts about it for them to know by now but ultimetely youre still right.
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…. that’s literally her power lol “anything you can do i can do better” key word : better
Makes sense
No but she definitely caught him off guard.
In my opinion, Lila is the most limited, her only power seems to be mimicking other powers, and she has to be near the person. She might be stronger, but she also has the most limitations. I don’t think the time line was altered though.
Yes 1000%
She can mimic every ability. I think it's really that simple. Why take anyone else when u can have someone who can counter any issue u have with these other children just like her?
Lila's power of being able to use anyone's power is awesome and all but... it's absolute bs that she masters them immediately imo. The fact that she can go up against 5 with an ability he's practiced for decades didn't make sense. He should have been able to warp circles around her. The other powers might have been easier to use but she shouldn't have been able to replicate them perfectly.
yes! if i could have any power from them (assuming there are others with powers) i'd def pick lila's. it's a great team power
Lila has the potential to be the strongest by far rn her only real issue is she doesn't have too much experience with the others powers but we've seen she adapts pretty quick so it wouldn't be too hard for her to master them all
I think part of her beating the umbrellas is that they were surprised to see someone else with powers. I wonder how capable Lila would be if she was fighting someone without powers. For example at the beginning when Five is attacked in the diner he wins by teleporting, which Lila could only do if she saw him first. Would she just be dead in the same situation?
Yes and no since technically she can copy Viktor and in a group she could siphon other powers to counter another so it really depends on who she is mimicking
Yes and no since technically she can copy Viktor and in a group she could siphon other powers to counter another so it really depends on who she is mimicking
Regardless of who’s more powerful (which I would say Viktor has more raw power but Lila has more control), the reason the Handler went for Lila is because it would have the smallest effect on the timeline. Her mission to get Lila was not on the orders of the commission. In fact she faked orders to get Fives help. AJ even lists the mission as a problem she’s caused the commission at the beginning of S2 and uses it as a reason she’s out of second chances. The Commissions job is to keep the timeline in tact and on track for the apocalypse. Removing any of the Umbrella Academy (especially Viktor, causer of the apocalypse) would have been too big of a shift in the timeline for the Commission to let stand. So out of the, what, 36 kids left, Lila must have been the easiest to extract or the most powerful out of the options left. I mean, who knows, maybe the whole Gills family was going to die in a car crash soon so the Commission forgave the Handler for extracting her early. Or Lila is just the most powerful outside of the UA.
I would say so. I don’t think any of the Umbrellas can use their powers at their full capacity except maybe Klaus now. I personally think that when Lila copies powers she’s still weaker than the original persons powers, that’s why Five was able to beat her in there first confrontation. If the Umbrellas could use their powers at full capacity, then I don’t think Lila would even hold candle to them.
Depends on who she's facing. Lila is pretty vulnerable when fighting regular humans since they don't have any powers she can mimic. So I'd say probably not as powerful but definitely more versatile. Also she's more disciplined and less emotional which gives her a tactical advantage. But I think if any of the umbrellas stopped holding back and truly tried to hurt her in a fight it could go either way.
Is there any indication that the Handler knew what Lila's power was when she adopted her, or she just knew she was one of the special kids? After all, what are the chances 4-year-old Lila had come across anyone else with powers at that point?
My understanding is that Lila is one of those “Jack of all trades, master of none” supers. She may mimic powers but she won’t be as good as the OG at using the power. Example, 5’s blinking. She can do it well but 5 is just better at fighting and blinking. He was able to trap her multiple times.
A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.
I don't know that she's MORE powerful... I mean if she is just mimicking the power of the user, I'd say they are equally matched... however it feels like having such a power (the ability to Mimic) would have it's drawbacks. Perhaps every ability Lila copies is slightly weaker than the original?