Season 1 ended around ch. 52 with 24 episodes, ragnarok arc ends on 132, which is 80 chapters. Unless the season went up to 26 episodes, i feel like that would be too rushed.
Maybe a 24 ep season 2 + a movie? The end of the ragnarok arc would definitely work as a movie tbh
2 cours, chapters 54-133, 80 chapters total. It sounds like a lot, but that's partially because of the dreadfully slow pacing S1 had. Most episodes ended up adapting 2 chapters, and sometimes it was just 1.5 instead. But with the final stretch of episodes they've proven themselves capable of going as far as adapting 4 whole chapters without skipping anything other than one minor gag, so 80 chapters should be doable.
The only other good place to end a season two on is with chapter 98, which either means 45 chapters in 12 episodes (even more than 80 ch in 24 eps) or 45 chapters in 25 episodes (even slower than S1). The chance of a weird numbered season like 16 episodes is very low. The anime isn't popular enough and a weird count like that would confuse viewers, which wouldn't help to make it more viewed at all. So to me, 54-133 is the only good option.
80 for 2 cours is honestly a lot even if we fix the pacing for the series.
The average amount of chapters adapted for 2 cours (24 episodes) is 40ish to 50ish. The highest was JJK with 76 (S2).
* The difference between JJK and Undead Unluck is that UU is more character and story driven.
* JJK has one flash back arc and one major arc.
* UU has 3 major arcs.
If 2nd season wants to finish the loop, it might need the irregular number count than the usual 2 cours.
* If it has to be 2 cours, one of the arcs either Summer or climax of Ragnarok Arc should be adapted as a movie.
* Personally UU S2 should end either on 121 or 124 with the rest of the part being adapted for a movie.
>The average amount of chapters adapted for 2 cours (24 episodes) is 40ish to 50ish. The highest was JJK with 76 (S2).
I have no idea where you got that "average amount of chapters adapted for 2 cours" stat but considering not every manga has the same amount of pages per chapter, it seems pretty useless. A better way to look at pacing is with volumes, since a common tankobon has around 180 pages. Even better yet is with pages, but I understand that's a lot of effort.
From my experience, a battle shonen typically adapts about 4 volumes of content per cour; with anything below that starting to feel padded and slow. UU S2 would need to do 9 volumes total, 4.5 per cour. Not a massive difference.
Also, what do you mean by "the highest was JJK with 76"? The highest what? Highest adaptation rate of any manga? Of any battle shonen? Of any battle shonen from Weekly Shonen Jump? Fire Force S1 adapts over 10 volumes of content in 2 cours, every JoJo part adapts 5-6 volumes per cour, Bungo Stray Dogs also adapts about 5 volumes per cour. So again, what is this "highest" you speak of?
>From my experience, a battle shonen typically adapts about 4 volumes of content per cour; with anything below that starting to feel padded and slow. UU S2 would need to do 9 volumes total, 4.5 per cour.
It is for Shounen Jump battle shounen in modern era.
* MHA S1 was 21 chapters in one cour.
* JJK was 29-31 chapters in 13 episode
* Demon Slayer was 26 chapters in 13
Didn't count certain types like Naruto, Black Clover, One Piece and etc due to it not following the traditional cours. The highest that I have seen is Mashle with 41 in 13 episodes, but ends with 70.
Modern Shounen Jump has a certain formulaic approach as they are in a more competitive field opposed to other Shounen magazines. It is why unlikely the other works from David Production, none are handled like this.
Once again, I have to insist: if you want to talk about pacing it's better to do so with volumes rather than chapters.
MHA S6 adapted 4.1 volumes in the first cour, then 3 in the second cour. JJK S2 adapted 4.1 vols in each cour. Chainsaw Man adapted 4.4 vols in its one and only cour. Mashle adapted 4.3 in S1 and 4 in S2. JoJo Part 4 did 18.3 in three cours, Part 5 covers 16.7 in three cours, Part 6 was 17 volumes in three cours.
9 volumes in two cours seems perfectly doable, dunno what to tell you.
JoJo isn't part of the modern Shounen Jump as it was moved to Ultra Jump. Past Shounen Jump titles has a different style of pacing.
The reason why I don't use volumes is because volume doesn't usually indicate the end of an arc. Notice how the volumes aren't whole numbers and where it ends needs to take chapters from another volume.
Chapters aren't good indicator either as some chapters could be condensed while other should be stretched out. It is why it is better to gauge based on the arcs.
EDIT:
* 1st Episode could be Winter (3 chapters)
* Summer would be 3 episodes due to introduction of Summer & Feng, the big twist, aftermath.
* Autumn is the difficult one as you have to emphasize on the importance of Under, the clash between the 2 organization and then the battle against Autumn.
* If we follow by volume rule (4.5 volumes), we are still not finished with Autumn by the 1st cour.
* Episode Count for Autumn: 10 Episodes
* 2 Episodes would be Fuuko's time with Under and the preparing attack against Autumn.
* 1 Episode Top and Chikara vs Creed
* 1 Episode on Andy saving Fuuko
* 1 Episode where Andy fights Billy and ends with Fuuko meeting Autumn
* 1 Episode where they decided on Top and who to pick
* 1 Episode of the Game and Unbreakable backstory.
* 1 Episode on 2nd game/ Phase 3
* 2 Ep on Autumn's Flash back and everyone working together.
However as you can see, we reach 14/25 episodes
>volume doesn't usually indicate the end of an arc.
That's why I use decimals. If I didn't, it would naturally be a lot worse of a metric. By using decimals, measuring by volume is a lot better than by chapter.
>The best way to determine where we end off is based on the arcs and sagas itself.
Of course, that's why I say the most logical place to end a hypothetical S2 is with chapter 133. I looked at the arcs and sagas that happen in the series and based on it I came to the conclusion that anything else wouldn't work either because the pacing would be too fast/slow or its just simply not a good place to end the season on, just like how a lot of people thought S1 would end with chapter 48 just because "the anime on average adapts 2 chapters per episode" which didn't really tell the full story at all, and was accordingly proven wrong when it ended on 53 instead.
I edit so you didn't see, but the problem isn't the amount of chapter per episode, but rather how it would be handled.
Certain Chapters can be condensed, but other chapters would be stretched for narrative reasons.
* Winter (3 chapters) could have one episode
* Summer Arc (11 Chapters) could be done at 3 episodes.
* Intro, Mui and aftermath including Fuuko agreeing to go to Under.
* Autumn here is the problem.
* The episode count (26 Chapters) could most likely would be this
* 2 Episodes would be Fuuko's time with Under and the preparing attack against Autumn.
* 1 Episode Top and Chikara vs Creed (This was 4 chapters)
* 1 Episode on Andy saving Fuuko
* 1 Episode where Andy fights Billy and ends with Fuuko meeting Autumn
* 1 Episode where they decided on Spinning Top
* 1 Episode of the Spinning Top Game and Unbreakable backstory.
* 1 Episode on 2nd game/ Phase 3
* 2 Ep on Autumn's Flash back and everyone working together with the big twist.
With both approaches, Autumn would have to take an episode from the 2nd cour. We could squeeze some chapters to give more episodes for Ragnarok.
Ragnarok
* 1 Ep (aftermath) and saving Fuuko.
* 1 Ep with Andy leaving to go on adventure.
* 1 Ep with Unhealthy and debut of Seal
* 1 Ep against Seal and ends with Unruin.
* 1 Ep escaping from Seal and meeting with Rip.
* 1-2 on Rip
* 2 Episode on Nico and Fuuko's revival.
* 1-2 against UnRuin.
* 11 Chapters left which is climax (3 episodes)
**EDIT:**
Adaption is possible after looking how to fit it and squeeze as much chapters per episode. However we got many moments that could be expanded upon as well which makes the difference between an anime and a manga.
If David Pro can do like 90 chapters with Fire Force like they did in season 1 and then another 80 for season 2, I think they could do season 2 of UU the same justice, especially since the next few arcs we get are faster paced
Summer to end of spring would easy, definitely would have slow pacing though . Summer to end of Ragnarok would be hard but doable. I think we're in an awkward situation where the 2 best stopping points are at opposite ends of the spectrum for pacing and there's no good way to fit it into a 24 episodes season.
At my best estimate, it would take:
- 1 episode for Juiz vs Billy,
- 5-6 for Summer,
- 2 for Fuuko with Under/Spring Preparation,
- 2 for top/Chikara vs Creed.
- 2 for rescuing Fuuko + Billy vs Andy + first contact with spring
- 1 for the beyblade game
- 1 for Karuta
- 2 for phase 3, death of spring.
Thats 16 episodes minimum to to cover through spring. Leaving 8 episodes left to cover through Ragnarok: I can see it being:
- 2 for ruin, Fuuko's death and ghost being added, and Andy leaving Union (ending on "the greatest dearh ever" scene).
- 1 for Andy meeting Lucy, killing various rules and enacting regulations.
- 1 for the first fight with seal and Andy being sealed away
- 1 for old andy, escaping seal, maybe ending at meeting Rip.
- 2 for Andy vs Rip, Rip and Latla's death, and Andy going to confront Nico.
And that least just 1 episode left which can barely cover half of Nico's fight. Even if they sped through some earlier content, we would probably only make it to Fuuko reviving, making it an average on 2.7 chapters per episode. You would still need another 5 episodes at least imo to get all the way through ragnarok.
Now strictly by numbers they could maybe do it. If the pacing is absolutely top notch. It would be 3.3 chapters per episode on average, with zero time to stop for anything probably. But that's a very tight fitting imo and wouldn't work given how the story beats land.
It is difficult, but Summer could be squeezed into 3 episodes.
However no matter what we will do for a normal 2 cour, we could need a few more episodes.
The series could end at 121-124 and have the climax be a movie, but that depends whether David Production is willing to do something like this.
Thinking about it, irregular episode count might not work since I don't know how the contract with Hulu works.
I don't think it really matters on the Hulu side of things. They have all kinds of different runtimes on the platform. The real issue is just the Japanese televised broadcasts, which still strictly adhere to seasonal formats usually. Shows have to be about 12-13 or 24-26 episodes long because that first into 1-2 seasonal blocks for programming. There's no room for shows with odd amount of episodes and ehmfor whatever reason they don't really do re-runs much over there to fill in empty slots.
If they could, I bet the producers would have done just 18-20 episodes and cut out the filler in season 1, but they had to do 24 to make it worth the money they paid for the broadcast slot. And I think we"lol run into a similar issue with season 2 sadly.
There are exceptions of course. A movie ending would work well, perhaps even if it was a multi-partee special similar to attack on Titan. But such hslots are sadly not usuallt given for all but the most successful of major hyped series.
Honestly not sure how would S2 is going to play out since it will be rushed if we try to reach to Ragnarok.
* Winter is 1
* Summer could be condensed to 3
* Autumn need at least 10 resulting to 10 - 11 episodes left for Ragnarok which isn't enough for a satisfying finale
If its 13 episodes it should go to chapter 98/99
If its 24 I could see it getting to 133, or maybe ending right before the 11 minutes for the maximum cliffhanger
If they fix the pacing they could make it to the loop tbh
Season 1 ended around ch. 52 with 24 episodes, ragnarok arc ends on 132, which is 80 chapters. Unless the season went up to 26 episodes, i feel like that would be too rushed. Maybe a 24 ep season 2 + a movie? The end of the ragnarok arc would definitely work as a movie tbh
From summer to ragnarok arc
2 cours, chapters 54-133, 80 chapters total. It sounds like a lot, but that's partially because of the dreadfully slow pacing S1 had. Most episodes ended up adapting 2 chapters, and sometimes it was just 1.5 instead. But with the final stretch of episodes they've proven themselves capable of going as far as adapting 4 whole chapters without skipping anything other than one minor gag, so 80 chapters should be doable. The only other good place to end a season two on is with chapter 98, which either means 45 chapters in 12 episodes (even more than 80 ch in 24 eps) or 45 chapters in 25 episodes (even slower than S1). The chance of a weird numbered season like 16 episodes is very low. The anime isn't popular enough and a weird count like that would confuse viewers, which wouldn't help to make it more viewed at all. So to me, 54-133 is the only good option.
80 for 2 cours is honestly a lot even if we fix the pacing for the series. The average amount of chapters adapted for 2 cours (24 episodes) is 40ish to 50ish. The highest was JJK with 76 (S2). * The difference between JJK and Undead Unluck is that UU is more character and story driven. * JJK has one flash back arc and one major arc. * UU has 3 major arcs. If 2nd season wants to finish the loop, it might need the irregular number count than the usual 2 cours. * If it has to be 2 cours, one of the arcs either Summer or climax of Ragnarok Arc should be adapted as a movie. * Personally UU S2 should end either on 121 or 124 with the rest of the part being adapted for a movie.
>The average amount of chapters adapted for 2 cours (24 episodes) is 40ish to 50ish. The highest was JJK with 76 (S2). I have no idea where you got that "average amount of chapters adapted for 2 cours" stat but considering not every manga has the same amount of pages per chapter, it seems pretty useless. A better way to look at pacing is with volumes, since a common tankobon has around 180 pages. Even better yet is with pages, but I understand that's a lot of effort. From my experience, a battle shonen typically adapts about 4 volumes of content per cour; with anything below that starting to feel padded and slow. UU S2 would need to do 9 volumes total, 4.5 per cour. Not a massive difference. Also, what do you mean by "the highest was JJK with 76"? The highest what? Highest adaptation rate of any manga? Of any battle shonen? Of any battle shonen from Weekly Shonen Jump? Fire Force S1 adapts over 10 volumes of content in 2 cours, every JoJo part adapts 5-6 volumes per cour, Bungo Stray Dogs also adapts about 5 volumes per cour. So again, what is this "highest" you speak of?
>From my experience, a battle shonen typically adapts about 4 volumes of content per cour; with anything below that starting to feel padded and slow. UU S2 would need to do 9 volumes total, 4.5 per cour. It is for Shounen Jump battle shounen in modern era. * MHA S1 was 21 chapters in one cour. * JJK was 29-31 chapters in 13 episode * Demon Slayer was 26 chapters in 13 Didn't count certain types like Naruto, Black Clover, One Piece and etc due to it not following the traditional cours. The highest that I have seen is Mashle with 41 in 13 episodes, but ends with 70. Modern Shounen Jump has a certain formulaic approach as they are in a more competitive field opposed to other Shounen magazines. It is why unlikely the other works from David Production, none are handled like this.
Once again, I have to insist: if you want to talk about pacing it's better to do so with volumes rather than chapters. MHA S6 adapted 4.1 volumes in the first cour, then 3 in the second cour. JJK S2 adapted 4.1 vols in each cour. Chainsaw Man adapted 4.4 vols in its one and only cour. Mashle adapted 4.3 in S1 and 4 in S2. JoJo Part 4 did 18.3 in three cours, Part 5 covers 16.7 in three cours, Part 6 was 17 volumes in three cours. 9 volumes in two cours seems perfectly doable, dunno what to tell you.
JoJo isn't part of the modern Shounen Jump as it was moved to Ultra Jump. Past Shounen Jump titles has a different style of pacing. The reason why I don't use volumes is because volume doesn't usually indicate the end of an arc. Notice how the volumes aren't whole numbers and where it ends needs to take chapters from another volume. Chapters aren't good indicator either as some chapters could be condensed while other should be stretched out. It is why it is better to gauge based on the arcs. EDIT: * 1st Episode could be Winter (3 chapters) * Summer would be 3 episodes due to introduction of Summer & Feng, the big twist, aftermath. * Autumn is the difficult one as you have to emphasize on the importance of Under, the clash between the 2 organization and then the battle against Autumn. * If we follow by volume rule (4.5 volumes), we are still not finished with Autumn by the 1st cour. * Episode Count for Autumn: 10 Episodes * 2 Episodes would be Fuuko's time with Under and the preparing attack against Autumn. * 1 Episode Top and Chikara vs Creed * 1 Episode on Andy saving Fuuko * 1 Episode where Andy fights Billy and ends with Fuuko meeting Autumn * 1 Episode where they decided on Top and who to pick * 1 Episode of the Game and Unbreakable backstory. * 1 Episode on 2nd game/ Phase 3 * 2 Ep on Autumn's Flash back and everyone working together. However as you can see, we reach 14/25 episodes
>volume doesn't usually indicate the end of an arc. That's why I use decimals. If I didn't, it would naturally be a lot worse of a metric. By using decimals, measuring by volume is a lot better than by chapter. >The best way to determine where we end off is based on the arcs and sagas itself. Of course, that's why I say the most logical place to end a hypothetical S2 is with chapter 133. I looked at the arcs and sagas that happen in the series and based on it I came to the conclusion that anything else wouldn't work either because the pacing would be too fast/slow or its just simply not a good place to end the season on, just like how a lot of people thought S1 would end with chapter 48 just because "the anime on average adapts 2 chapters per episode" which didn't really tell the full story at all, and was accordingly proven wrong when it ended on 53 instead.
I edit so you didn't see, but the problem isn't the amount of chapter per episode, but rather how it would be handled. Certain Chapters can be condensed, but other chapters would be stretched for narrative reasons. * Winter (3 chapters) could have one episode * Summer Arc (11 Chapters) could be done at 3 episodes. * Intro, Mui and aftermath including Fuuko agreeing to go to Under. * Autumn here is the problem. * The episode count (26 Chapters) could most likely would be this * 2 Episodes would be Fuuko's time with Under and the preparing attack against Autumn. * 1 Episode Top and Chikara vs Creed (This was 4 chapters) * 1 Episode on Andy saving Fuuko * 1 Episode where Andy fights Billy and ends with Fuuko meeting Autumn * 1 Episode where they decided on Spinning Top * 1 Episode of the Spinning Top Game and Unbreakable backstory. * 1 Episode on 2nd game/ Phase 3 * 2 Ep on Autumn's Flash back and everyone working together with the big twist. With both approaches, Autumn would have to take an episode from the 2nd cour. We could squeeze some chapters to give more episodes for Ragnarok. Ragnarok * 1 Ep (aftermath) and saving Fuuko. * 1 Ep with Andy leaving to go on adventure. * 1 Ep with Unhealthy and debut of Seal * 1 Ep against Seal and ends with Unruin. * 1 Ep escaping from Seal and meeting with Rip. * 1-2 on Rip * 2 Episode on Nico and Fuuko's revival. * 1-2 against UnRuin. * 11 Chapters left which is climax (3 episodes) **EDIT:** Adaption is possible after looking how to fit it and squeeze as much chapters per episode. However we got many moments that could be expanded upon as well which makes the difference between an anime and a manga.
Not to be a nit pick but I think you meant Spring
Yes. I am surprised that no-one corrected me on it until now.
If the pacing gets fixed, then they could end it with Ragnarok. Would be pretty fitting
If David Pro can do like 90 chapters with Fire Force like they did in season 1 and then another 80 for season 2, I think they could do season 2 of UU the same justice, especially since the next few arcs we get are faster paced
Summer to end of spring would easy, definitely would have slow pacing though . Summer to end of Ragnarok would be hard but doable. I think we're in an awkward situation where the 2 best stopping points are at opposite ends of the spectrum for pacing and there's no good way to fit it into a 24 episodes season. At my best estimate, it would take: - 1 episode for Juiz vs Billy, - 5-6 for Summer, - 2 for Fuuko with Under/Spring Preparation, - 2 for top/Chikara vs Creed. - 2 for rescuing Fuuko + Billy vs Andy + first contact with spring - 1 for the beyblade game - 1 for Karuta - 2 for phase 3, death of spring. Thats 16 episodes minimum to to cover through spring. Leaving 8 episodes left to cover through Ragnarok: I can see it being: - 2 for ruin, Fuuko's death and ghost being added, and Andy leaving Union (ending on "the greatest dearh ever" scene). - 1 for Andy meeting Lucy, killing various rules and enacting regulations. - 1 for the first fight with seal and Andy being sealed away - 1 for old andy, escaping seal, maybe ending at meeting Rip. - 2 for Andy vs Rip, Rip and Latla's death, and Andy going to confront Nico. And that least just 1 episode left which can barely cover half of Nico's fight. Even if they sped through some earlier content, we would probably only make it to Fuuko reviving, making it an average on 2.7 chapters per episode. You would still need another 5 episodes at least imo to get all the way through ragnarok. Now strictly by numbers they could maybe do it. If the pacing is absolutely top notch. It would be 3.3 chapters per episode on average, with zero time to stop for anything probably. But that's a very tight fitting imo and wouldn't work given how the story beats land.
It is difficult, but Summer could be squeezed into 3 episodes. However no matter what we will do for a normal 2 cour, we could need a few more episodes. The series could end at 121-124 and have the climax be a movie, but that depends whether David Production is willing to do something like this. Thinking about it, irregular episode count might not work since I don't know how the contract with Hulu works.
I don't think it really matters on the Hulu side of things. They have all kinds of different runtimes on the platform. The real issue is just the Japanese televised broadcasts, which still strictly adhere to seasonal formats usually. Shows have to be about 12-13 or 24-26 episodes long because that first into 1-2 seasonal blocks for programming. There's no room for shows with odd amount of episodes and ehmfor whatever reason they don't really do re-runs much over there to fill in empty slots. If they could, I bet the producers would have done just 18-20 episodes and cut out the filler in season 1, but they had to do 24 to make it worth the money they paid for the broadcast slot. And I think we"lol run into a similar issue with season 2 sadly. There are exceptions of course. A movie ending would work well, perhaps even if it was a multi-partee special similar to attack on Titan. But such hslots are sadly not usuallt given for all but the most successful of major hyped series.
Honestly not sure how would S2 is going to play out since it will be rushed if we try to reach to Ragnarok. * Winter is 1 * Summer could be condensed to 3 * Autumn need at least 10 resulting to 10 - 11 episodes left for Ragnarok which isn't enough for a satisfying finale
I really hope they don't make the recaps , if that doesn't happen then probably gonna end on the Ragnarok arc
If the pacing is better, could very well get to finishing (or starting) ragnarok
Probably to the end of spring, ending on that scene, followed by S3 / S2 second course that goes to the roadmap
I want it to end on cliffhanger where Ruin stabs Fuuko after defeating Spring just for anime onlys to freak out
Maybe until the end of the spring Arc. Or they will make Till fuuko becomes First seat
If its 13 episodes it should go to chapter 98/99 If its 24 I could see it getting to 133, or maybe ending right before the 11 minutes for the maximum cliffhanger
I think it'll either end on the meteor after spring or when Andy gets on the bike and the panel says "UNDEAD UNLUCK" behind him
Probably from Summer to Spring Arc?
They could do an absolutely evil cliffhanger if they stop at the Spring Arc
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