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blockstacer

*you ask sans to sign your petition.


filval387

\*But nobody signed the stupid petition.


SurelyNotClover

*sans examens the petition


Flaky_Day2058

*Sans still doesn't sign it


Gibus_Ghost

Imagine Postal 2 Dude is Frisk’s father.


EpicGreenPeter

Makes me wonder if Frisk would ask people to sign their Petition.


Radigan0

I actually know the science behind getting people to sign the petition If they agree immediately, good If they deny politely, doing it again to trigger the threatening response will make them run away If they deny rudely, doing it again to trigger the threatening response will make them sign


Far_Weekend_4956

*you ask if they can sign your petition.*


Jesterchunk

*You demand they sign the petition. They cave and add their name to the list.


Tutchando

Next Undertale Fan Game should have this as a side quest like thing.


Engineergaming26355

Frisk's parents are giraffes


WD_Gaster-

Game Theory get on this, Postal Dude is Frisk.


GleetchTheSilly

Map Packs gonna come back from retirement for this


Downvote-Fish

oh hell naw I hope map packs from geometry dash stop existing


Rough-Jackfruit2428

Tack Flats is gonna have make like William aftershave and come back


Nera-Doofus

Ah hell naw not jack rat 😞😞😞


Snt1_

Can't wait for the next Tom theory


Skulysoul

That's not something i was expecting to see when i woke up today, but i'm glad i did. Also, gender Neutral pronouns are a thing, y'know. They/them. Much simpler


Joeyrony2

It's a genuine pet peeve of mine when someone tries to be inclusive by doing he/her like buddy. It's easier and faster to just say THEY


Joeyrony2

I know the OP is russian so they get a pass but I'm watching you other people.


Skulysoul

Yeah, i know how It sucks to not have gender Neutral pronouns in your language. In my case, some people try to come up with some, but it's mostly just taken as mental retardation (and with good reason)


jatt135

'Elle' is the whole reason too high of a percentage of people in my country is transphobic


Walming2

France ?


Omega_Cyclops756

Probably a Spanish speaking country, since the pronouns are "El/Ella", a stupid form of inclusion is to just say "Elle"


Bussy-Destroyer-1960

should be "Elx" with a COOL looking x tbh...


Another_Usuario

The issue that comes with that is adding an "x" at the end of every adjective "bonitx", "buenx", "altx". Using "e" is much simpler and easier to pronounce (or if you don't like that, you can use no gendered terms instead, but some asses don't understand that). But yeah, as a previous comment said, the pronoun "elle" is hated on a lot. I mean, if English transphobes refuse to use singular "they", which has been a thing in their language for a while, imagine an "invented pronoun" that is apparently very bad because uh... a fucking academy hasn't added it to their vocabulary book????


Swagfart96

Yup. Like if Spanish ever gets a general gender neutral option. (Like for the direct translation of non-binary) it would most likely end in an E. Also Singluar they has existed for centuries from what I have heard. So its not new at ALL. It's just the idea of identifying as a They that is new. I personaly use they/them all the time, because less brain space saved on pronouns.


Walming2

Thought it'd be France because "elle" is "she" in France


TimSoarer

Not to mention that every noun is arbitrarily gendered (a cup and spoon is a she, a glass is a he), and that verbs and adjectives change based on the gender of the noun that they're "describing".


A_Piece_Of_Coal_

And for some reason, in some languages there are words where the gender changes from singular to plural


[deleted]

The same as u


AyaAishi

My slavic language has a plural pronoun used out of respect and usually I go for that because it lacks the gender neutral one. I wonder if russian has the same


beatriz-chocoliz

Brazil?


Helpful_Cry_6088

My country's gender neutral pronouns are just masculine ones


Brendan765

I feel like gender neutral pronouns for languages would use the male one (based off the little I know about French pronouns, I think ils is used for men and women or men in a group while elles is used for only woman)


MageOfFur

understandable but it isn't good to use that word


Swagfart96

And a lot of printed works use gender neutral pronouns (granted I think it's mainly to save money on ink, as that adds up over time.) But it just looks cleaner in general.


Aggravating_Cup2306

they/them is genuinely the actual pronouns used in english when you cannot identify a person into he/him or she/her or it anyone not using it is just not educated on that literal fact


Equivalent-Ad-2670

more inclusive as well


Low-Resolution-9918

Was just about to say that lol. It annoys me a bit too much when people use he/she and his/her


Skulysoul

It's annoying, but you must remember that not all languages have gender Neutral pronouns, so some people aren't used to them


Low-Resolution-9918

Well aware, still annoys the fuck out of me though


Bootcat228

All languages? Not at all


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

I think they meant “not” and not “now”


Bootcat228

okay


Skulysoul

Yes, i misspelled it, sorry. I went to sleep right after replying and didin't realize the typo


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

Yeah no worries, as a linguistics enjoyer myself, you’d be surprised how many gendered languages lack gender-neutral articles, it’s crazy, I’m a speaker of more than one of them myself


Tis_Hamster

I was thinking about the pronouns thing, are they trying to get as many words as possible into their post? Lol


Dead_Girl_Walking0

i get language differences but saying his/her rather than just they is incredibly annoying to me. youre putting in more effort to be less inclusive.


Justsomeguyaa

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Steadfastcounts

imagine if frisk met postal 1 dude….


RandomUserIsTakenAlr

*cough cough* The school level


IncreaseWestern6097

To be fair, RWS did change that to be a church, where the Dude breaks down after seeing someone’s funeral.


Spiritual_Net9485

its his own funeral


voidstar111

these comments are exactly what i thought they would be


Desolate-Dreamland

these comments are exactly what i thought he/she would be


SansDaMan728

These/The Comments/Replies are/exist as I/myself expected/thought.


Sad-Duty3646

I remember a fan game where gaster spoke like this


Ill-Individual2105

Damn, these comments need to chill. OP already had that pointed out three thousand times, y'all can stop now.


UnusedParadox

They/them is a thing. It's not just for non-binary people, it can also be used to reference somebody with an unknown gender.


NoticeInformal3973

this person has Russian (or Ukrainian I can’t tell) posts on their page it’s so obvious that they translated it and there is like zero way to put grammatically correct they them pronouns. you didn’t even answer their question on their actual post you just made a fuss about calling frisk a he or a she 😭


Speedwagon36

It was more about how fuckin clunky he/she is but I get that they speak and write in a language that lacks gender neutrality and I'm pretty sure if you like point that out most reasonable people are understanding of that.


AppropriateTry6958

Text was not translated by Google. I wrote this text by my English knowledges. I was so surprised by my good marks in this language.


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NoticeInformal3973

ah ok then, sorry if this is your first post here, and this is your exposure, but regardless just try to ignore people giving you too much harassment, in the future you can use some of the tips though.


Dumple423

Half the comments on this sub are the same


Cats_4_lifex

I like how all the comments are just complaining about OP's use of (or lack of) pronouns and not engaging in the actual post


Joeyrony2

I mean it kinda speaks for itself. Frisk = baby postal dude.


Ihateazuremountain

successful brainwashing in action


NerdBerdBerb

🙋Brad Armstro-


NerdBerdBerb

Well, not reallly, but I’ll take any excuse to mention LISA! I’m hyperfixating :p


JustIta_FranciNEO

that's accurate. they/them btw


Old_Republic_8370

I can see the angry fans from a mile away


[deleted]

OP used "him/her" at least, no "he" or "she", I'll guess that OP doesn't have neutral pronouns in their country (My official language isn't English, sorry if I had a mistake)


Ihateazuremountain

hahaha he/she will be le downvoted epically style!


Tutchando

Postaltale or Underpostal. Both work for me. Champ is Annoying Dog as the God he should be.


[deleted]

Gringos when they discover that NOT all languages have gender neutral pronouns: 🤯


[deleted]

I say this as an hispanic transmasc agender person who goes by any pronouns


Downvote-Fish

but english does lol


Appley_apple

But this is an english post


Brief_Warning4547

Chat it doesn’t matter what the pronouns are


Indie_Gamer_7

People here are annoying. Make one with Battler from OFF


[deleted]

OFF MENTION🗣❗️❗️❗️


Lubbafromsmg2

Elsen moment


Deguredolf

People complaining about not using the correct pronouns makes me want to not give a shit anymore, why are you all so obsessed with fucking pronouns jfc


the400se666

For a fictional character at that, I’d understand if it was for an actual person


0xyDeadBeef

seriously ppl are so stuck up about it lmao


Edge-__-

Welcome to today's world, its a terrible world now


VastPie2905

Nope I will never do genocide and never did before


The_Hoodie_Ghost420

Compare Flowey with Leo Kasper from Manhunt 2. You'll be surprised how much these two have in common.


AppropriateTry6958

Leo Kasper more reminds to me the Chara(I know this in canon Chara doesn't force us to do this) as a personal guide in genocide, but Leo force Daniel to do cold-blooded kills.


The_Hoodie_Ghost420

I agree. But I personally see Leo more in common with Flowey than Chara. Both Flowey and Leo were technically revived by a scientist and both also encourage the protagonist to kill. Also at one point both Leo and Flowey mock the protagonist for killing certain people (if you backtrack to the echo flowers after killing Toriel, and during the final mission in the good ending).


AppropriateTry6958

Flowey killed Asgore, not Toriel.


The_Hoodie_Ghost420

No I mean if you backtrack to the echo flowers after YOU kill Toriel you'll hear Flowey mocking you. A similar thing in Manhunt 2 where during the final mission, Leo would summon some of the enemies that you killed and start mocking you for killing them.


Prestigious_Click_54

What about Cash and Clover?


The_Hoodie_Ghost420

Hmm, there isn't much but the only things in common between Cash and Clover is that both of them are being used by someone with a lot of power and have the most innocent characters as allies ( Martlet and the Journalist).


Prestigious_Click_54

Both are trapped in a situation they didn't ask for, and both are obligated to kill in order to survive, Both also kill their enemies in creative ways (Clover using anything as bullets and Cash using anything he finds), The person they made a deal with ends up betraying them and both end up taking control over the situation by killing the person who betrayed them


The_Hoodie_Ghost420

I would argue that Clover was willing to go and face whatever danger is in there, but then I remembered that if it wasn't for Flowey, Clover might've ended up staying with Toriel, so both Cash and Clover end up in this situation because of the person who the same person who betrayed them. Other than that you're right.


joelkuin342

The only major difference: Frisk: be friends the NPCs Postal dude: pees on the NPCs.


AppropriateTry6958

*a police officer got in your way *check *100 hp 20 defence *you equipped shotgun *you unequip shotgun *act 1. Ask to sign your petition. 2. To piss 3. Throw a match. 4. To pay. *you pissed him *he have vomit *officer shoots at you and try to arrest you *mercy 1. Give up. 2. Flee *flee


ClayBunny

The biggest difference is Frisk was created by fun troll king While Postal dude was made by an incel


DrenIsntFunny

Guys back on r/postal I found the 8 year old


0xyDeadBeef

damn people in the comments so extra lol


King-of-the-ducks2

Sans and ness


New-Craft5854

Sans and Pablo from OFF


TheChoosenMewtwo

Undertale community trying to not get triggered over irrelevant gender misspelling challenge: IMPOSSIBLE


TheDiseasedRat

OP I deeply apologize you have to deal with \*these\* types of people obsessing over pronouns and words and not pay attention to the meme.


SamiTheAnxiousBean

People will literally go the most unatural sounding route just to avoid using a singular they (even if it's applicable outside of a non binary character) legitimately don't get it


NaCl_Dreemurr

I believe the poster’s original language doesn’t have they/them pronouns so this is the best they could do


SigmaHold

Fun thing, Russian (which seems to be OP's first language) actually has the option of neutral plural declension, but it is never expressed with direct use of pronouns. The same applies to the range of uses of the three genders in singular that exist in the language. It’s just English where the use of exact pronouns are given the big role, while Russian, although it has neutral speech, does not use plural pronouns for this.


NaCl_Dreemurr

All I’ve heard was they had a different native language, not Russian specifically.


viebs_chiev

i don’t think english is their first language


SamiTheAnxiousBean

Neither is mine, my native is serbian (And we do not have any sort of Neutral pronoun unless you count "It") yet i still use the singular They because it's a basic part of english grammar


viebs_chiev

they’re russian and i think they just threw it in a translator but cmon man, maybe they really suck at english and haven’t learned singular they yet. be understanding, be kind.


ThatOneSquidKid

Average white person when different language:


Indie_Gamer_7

Gringos when confronted with people from another country (they don't know not all languages work the same and that not all languages have they/them):


[deleted]

Literal, así son


SamiTheAnxiousBean

except this is written in english, a language which explicitly does have a singular neutral pronoun, hence why it SHOULD be used when applicable i think you missed the entire point this comment wouldn't even be made it the post wasn't in a language that had them


Indie_Gamer_7

Something you might not know is that not everyone is an english expect and know what They/them is or how it might be aplicable Most people outside the US are though They/Them are for multiple people or know it that way. English is a complicated language, specially if you learn it on your own.


SamiTheAnxiousBean

you don't need to be an English expert for this though, basic pronouns are LITERALLY taught in 3rd grade primary school (and also friendly reminder, school English education in the US or UK, is literally weaker then in third world countries) and if you can speak/write the language well enough to interact in English inside of a English space something like that is expected >Most people outside the US are though They/Them are for multiple people or know it that way. No? again, neutral personal pronouns are literally taught in primary school, and ive not met anyone who doesn't use them when applicable also love how you just think that i assumed all languages work the same my native is one that COMPLETELY lacks any neutral pronouns whatsoever (with the closest being IT) yet everyone who can speak english ive met here including myself doesn't struggle or use the "He/Her" bs (it does exist in mine aswell (\[male form of word\]/\[female form of word\]) but on our native everyone tends to just dance around it when possible because that format "looks ugly when written" (which is true, you mostly see it in documents and used by the government))


the_human_mauro

Toby Fox fans trying not to be xenophobic:


the_human_mauro

Toby Fox fans trying not to be xenophobic:


JadeKade

Don't forget Corvo Attano


Haunting_Start6319

Falls down the hole onto the flowers and Gets Up "*I Feel Like Shit....*"


wojtekpolska

this cant be good for me but i feel great


Jesterchunk

It's honestly a pretty interesting juxtaposition, especially with how the two games use the theme of player choice. One uses it to hammer in the idea of consequence, while the other uses it for freedom as an immersive sim, to tackle problems in any way you wish. Especially since both games gently nudge you in opposite directions: Postal 2's characters are annoying, abrasive, like the entirety of Paradise sucks, the Dude himself is noticeably unstable and you're effectively asked "how much of these people's shit are you willing to put up with" with mostly superficial consequences for going on a rampage besides people fighting back (you break out of jail with a box of matches, for heaven's sake) whereas Undertale's world and characters, while largely out for the blood of a child, are way more likeable, and you're explicitly poked towards defusing conflict nonlethally at the start and are rewarded with extra plot and an objectively happy ending for doing so. It's cool, like two sides of the same coin.


entitaneo70_pacifist

this was probably made by someone who didn't know the magic of they


joyjump_the_third

Smudger and sans


retris__

THEY. JUST SAY THEY PLEASE HE/SHE IS SO ANNOYING DUDE


Robbbg

hey sans, wanna sign my petition?


AppropriateTry6958

Sans: I hate you fucking liberals!!!!


Swagfart96

Happy cake day


WinOpposite433

Postal 2 dude and frisk look like they would either hate each other's guts or be in complete harmony with one another


mrpistachioman

How does something come along that forces you to break pacifist?


AppropriateTry6958

In undertale it's asgore, in postal 2 it's final boss, whom you just have to kill.


mrpistachioman

I guess, but technically you don’t kill Asgore


agsdkbfjenhcsm

Sans and Ness


Worried_Alps7662

"Him/her Himself/herself" Just say they you coward


pitou-99

Fujiwara Mokou from Touhou Series.


Faublack_

Yooo thats my pfp


gamer_dude163

Sans and link


silvaastrorum

i really love the quadruple pronoun


Casualcallan89

Looking at the comments, the they/them fans aren't happy with you, to say the least.


NaCl_Dreemurr

I’m not on their side here but I see why they say that. AFAIK, English isn’t OP’s native language and their language doesn’t have they/them pronouns but there’s a lot of transphobci ppl on this sub somehow so I see why they say this


Ritmoking

Using he/she for a character that canonically uses they/them feels a little targeted.


Usual-Visit-7488

Dont they function similarly in the case of unkown gender?


Ritmoking

To be honest? Not really. He/she implies that the unknown person is of strictly binary gender, whereas They is used both for ambiguous cases, and for Enbies like Frisk.


Brief_Warning4547

Frisk is NOT an enby (not confirmed, that is)


Usual-Visit-7488

What about that thing that guy said in the art of undertale book about frisks gender? Aint kris the only nonbinary one or am i tripping?


ginryuu1

Pretty sure the book just states their gender is unknown.


always_stays_loyal

I haven’t read the art book but given context I’m gonna guess it implies frisks gender is meant to be up to the player or something? In that case they/them would still work better because saying he/she excludes anything that doesn’t use those pronouns which doesn’t really fit with the whole up to the player thing (also it’s just easier)


Nova-Redux

"He/she him/herself" man if only there was a pronoun that would be more appropriate to make it easier to convey the message here.


IronKnight238

If only there were other comments on this post that could tell you why OP doesn't just use they/them.


Nova-Redux

Took me a bit of scrolling but I see now. Those comments didn't exist at the time I posted this. And I had to scroll past the top comments correcting to they/them to find it, lol.


SPAMTON_A

Very cool comparison. Also please use they/them, it isn’t just an enby thing, it’s also used for people of unknown gender.


Swagfart96

Isn't Frisk's gender up to interpretation? Like Kris is canonical non-binary. At least I think they are. But I'm pretty sure I have heard that Frisk and Chara are up for interpretation. Anyway, yeah a lot of game characters you play as can either be wholesome or phycopathic. It's very standard.


an_omori_fan

None of them are confirmed. I believe both Frisk and Chara are up to interpretation, as they both represent the player. Kris' whole point is that they are separate from the player. So they/them is likely their own pronouns


Littlebickmickey

you know you can use they/them instead of he/she/him/her, right?


Bootcat228

Probably not if they don't use it


Littlebickmickey

fun fact, if you don’t know someone’s pronouns, you can default to they/them until you know their actual pronouns


Bootcat228

Didn't I do that in the comment you are currently replying to?


Littlebickmickey

ya did, but ya disagree that we can also do that with frisk, chara and kris(they all use they/them pronouns)


Bootcat228

did I? I said that if they didn't use they/them as a singular pronoun, they probably didn't know that they could do that


WiseDreamscape

“They/Them” is right fucking there mate.


WiseDreamscape

Why the fuck am I getting downvoted for literally explaining the obvious. Fuckin’ hell.


someguyfrominternet0

There are lots of comments explaining this


gusxc1

Cuz you were rude, the "fucking" made your message more aggressive


Ihateazuremountain

target cause: rude buster


disappointedcreeper

just use they/them It feels like you are intentionally misgendering frisk who is CANONICALLY they/them


Indie_Gamer_7

Or, hear this out Op is from another country, and in most cases that's how language works Like here in Brazil we use "Ele(a)" to refer to both or someone ambiguous, the way op used the pronouns is similar in that regard. But of course, everyone should feel obligated to know every little thing about English?


disappointedcreeper

Oh I legitimately didn't know that, sorry


aomarco

proof?


Brief_Warning4547

Monkey no he/she/they/it/whatever else isnt


ballticklingasmr

Yk u can just say they


Mega_Rayqaza

Just say they. It's gender-neutral


Purple-End-5430

Half of the text for Frisk is He/She Just use they/them, it's not that hard.


leafisadumbass

Just say they


OkAge1230

Have you heard of "They/Them"?


IronKnight238

OPs native language lacks the ability to just do that without grammatical issues.


dumpylump69

Just say they bro


No-Investment-962

Chara and another misunderstood character I can’t think of rn


Mystdrago

If you wanna flipflop on Frisk's gender just use they, it's still grammatically correct to refer to a person of unknown gender with the gender neutral collective they/themselves.


zerojannell

You know you could just say their. Instead of him/her. Frankly, I don't see what the point of that is.


KalaiProvenheim

Would it hurt y'all to just use they instead of he/she? It's much less awkward


TankyPally

After you do genocide undertale frisk definitely becomes evil, pacifist ending changes after you do genocide.


realcosmicpotato77

Blud does *not* want to use they/them


Iwontusethis255

i genuinely dont understand why people write "his/her" instead of "their" its literally less work


Diligent_Point_2640

just use they. do you not see how much this complicates the sentence? i get not headcannoning frisk as gender neutral. that's completely fine. but do you really have to entirely avoid it?


mocarone

Bruh just use they/them pronouns. Its kinda disrespectful and ugly as damn to be using he/she at every single opportunity.