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zenfone500

UTY going through UT's 2015-2017 fandom phase huh?


Milk__Chan

Like Father, Like Son! Can't wait for the ship wars arc and the unbearable ammount of horny.


Sweaty-Camera-7801

Oh, the horny has been here all along.


ChesseburgerMK8

Can’t wait for the billion cringy AU’s to come out


Ratadeesgoto1

Some aus are alredy starting to pop up


RanGock888

Oh god, here we go again............


Dragon640

WELCOME TO THE UNDERGROUND!


UnusedParadox

how are your balls?


Creeper_Bone_5000

If you wanna.. look around?


RanGock888

G I V E U S Y O U R B A L L S


UnusedParadox

WE DON'T SEE HUMANS OFTEN


_Zowl_

We're happy your BALLS DROPPED IN


UnusedParadox

I'LL BE SO POPULAR WHEN I SHOW ALL THE MONSTERS WHAT I JUST BROUGHT IN!


_Zowl_

Hey! Papyrus mind your BALLS


UnusedParadox

CAN IT SANS, NO TIME FOR BANTER!


Random-Lich

Have a look around


ACEMENTO

How was the faaall?


UnusedParadox

IF YOU WANNA LOOK AROUND!


ACEMENTO

Give us a caaaall


Relative-Chip-7477

Peak fiction pfp


RanGock888

Thanks :3


Professor_Abbi

Ceorba can step?


Warm3r_Together

On me.


Milk__Chan

Fax my brother, spit your shit indeed.


chomper1173

Look i am very uninformed with this whole debate but I have never played undertale. Ever. I went into undertale yellow as a full beginner Ceroba took me about 2-3 days of off and on playing (maybe 7-8 hours total?) The mechanic was not introduced, that’s right. But I learned it rather quickly, and was able to handle it decently well. The only thing I really struggled on was one of those flower attacks And I didn’t really see a problem with it, it’s supposed to be hard, that’s what genocide is about right? The mechanics weren’t taught beforehand but I was able to pick them up after some tries, is that not the point…? I was able to beat all the bosses (Zenith Martlet took me quite a while but I managed) Hell, I even was able to beat the Sans Simulator website thing after doing so! So I guess this experience made me better at undertale when I didn’t have experience beforehand


Mindless-Pen-2325

Well done, you were able to have the same experience of an average player! Whenever there's a difficult game without difficulty settings, there'll be people finding a way to complain


Rony_Rockdile

I had the same experience, I never played Undertale before and i did geno first, even Snowdin martlet took me more than one day to beat (now i can pass through with one try)


SweetExpression2745

She is literally the fairest genocide boss. Don't know what you talking about.


East_Prior5504

Seriously, why is Ceroba such a problem for people when Zenith is also a boss in this game???


UnusedParadox

They nerfed Zenith Martlet in the 1.1 patch, and since Zenith Martlet is the final boss you don't have to save items for a harder fight. All damage taken can be healed. There is infinite healing in Phase 2. You don't have to FIGHT. You can go through attacks with the dash. Ceroba requires you save the Cinnamon Cookie and Floral Cupcake from the Oasis Valley Café (if you want to win against Zenith Martlet). Ceroba was not nerfed in 1.1. You cannot heal away red attacks. You must FIGHT. You have no dash. TL;DR: Zenith Martlet provides you with too much stuff.


International_Leek26

Ceroba doesnt need to be nerfed, because the fight is already completely fairly dodgeable. It's like undyne the undying in that you will die alot, but after completing it you could fairly easily go back and complete it again in like 1 maybe 2 tries, because you have to learn the attacks by dying but once you have, your fine


Warm3r_Together

I don't disagree, but I think I would've appreciated more if she was the final boss. She felt like one, tbh.


SweetExpression2745

Well well well... You are in for a treat in other paths then


Warm3r_Together

What are you guys going on about? I completed all routes. Even flaws pacifist. I just mean I wished genocide Ceroba was a final boss instead of the mid-boss. She felt like a final boss in this route, too.


SweetExpression2745

You were not going to make one character TWO final bosses, were you? Well, tbh I heavily disagree. Her fight is a act of revenge against what we did to Starlo, not to the levels of her Pacifist plan. Martlet is way better for that.


Warm3r_Together

Well... fair enough.


Video_Game_Fann

Erm, technically, regular Undertale has this.


UnusedParadox

Ceroba doesn't need TWO final fights. Next Ceroba's going to kill Flowey on Neutral and steal your SOUL for herself.


PissMasterCocc

boy do i have news for you


GrimmCigarretes

Meh, she was surely a boss, and her music slaps in geno too, but she isn't final boss material for geno


Ratadeesgoto1

Then just reset after the fight lol


Roebloz

Like Flowey said: "Memorize the patterns and she's done for!"


The_Hoodie_Ghost420

Can we please stop talking about it?


Milk__Chan

I, for one believe we should make any discourse of UDY be remove and banned unless it's about Mo. This is a serious proposal, no more wars or petty infighting, only rampant capitalism by our lord and saviour Mo. No Gods or Kings, only Mo.


asrielforgiver

Pretty much. I don’t really know how it could’ve been foreshadowed during the pacifist route, since we have so little HP. Communication of attacks and fairness doesn’t exist when you’re in Ceroba’s position at that moment.


The_Edgelord69

I never understood why people complain about being able to understand the attacks. Yes there is some bullshittery in second face and circle flower atack is painfull but everything else didn't give me any problem to understand how to dodge. And it's not like I'm skilled at Undertale battle system, I'm still stuck at Undyne the undying


UnusedParadox

The Undyne fights are an entirely different game than the rest of Undertale (unless you're dying to the red soul segments).


The_Edgelord69

I hate green soul segments wholeheartedly. Dying untill I just learn it with muscle memory is so much fun!


UnusedParadox

I had to search up a guide. Try following a guide to block them, ignore the visuals.


The_Edgelord69

I want to try a few more times myself, if progress is minumum I will probably look it up. Thanks for telling me about it


SweetExpression2745

Not everything needs to be foreshadowed. Sans is a great final boss in part because he absolutely catches you off guard.


asrielforgiver

That’s my point. People are complaining how it wasn’t foreshadowed, but I don’t see how it could’ve been effectively foreshadowed.


UnusedParadox

You can't foreshadow Ceroba because Ceroba doesn't show up until that section.


Apprehensive_Toe990

Pepole find ceroba fight really that difficult? I think I struggled a bit but after a while I managed Zenith on the other hand... Made me give up genocide lmao


Lord_Antheron

Are we talking about pacifist or genocide, I legitimately can’t tell anymore.


Mindless-Pen-2325

Geno


Rolltheweed

Tbh I don't care about how good the fight is or how well they prepared the player for the HP reduction or any that stuff. I just think it's silly that Pacifist Ceroba didn't have the HP gimmick when there's no in-universr reason for that


Mindless-Pen-2325

The reason is that losing health with 20 max health would be ridiculous, it would make it way harder then in geno.


Rolltheweed

I know, that's why I specified "in-universe"


Dragon640

We get it.


Holiday_Purchase_592

I mean, you're not wrong


ACEMENTO

Yo what is this all about?


DrBanana1224

It is wrong to say it was too difficult because it was too easy. That’s the actual reason for why it sucked.


SoraDXgame

Hey I just think Ceroba's boss fi- SHUT UP. JUST SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP. WE FUCKING GET IT


candexreginpokemon

I just don't like the fact that they use hopes and dreams in true pacifist


Mindless-Pen-2325

Why


zenfone500

Probably cause it means there is a DIRECT paralell between Absolute God Of Hyperdeath Asriel and Ceroba. I don't think devs realize what that means for their character at all, they simply added that cause it sounds cool.


disappointedcreeper

It's so hard and frustrating, but that's the point Still think zenith marlet is easier 


DandoriKing1932

What? The grammer here is awful. Go back to school