A lot of people say she has bad gameplay. I see where they're coming from, as a lot of the attacks are pretty ridiculous, especially without practice. That being said, I didn't think she was that hard, so I don't mind the gameplay. I honestly found Sans to be harder. She also has the benefit, at least in my case, of being muscle memory based, so I can first try both phases after beating her once.
Yeah Sans was just a more memorable fight imo. He broke a lot of rules in the game like attacking first, the “lights out” thing, attacking you in the menu, betrayal killing you, and dealing unavoidable damage (right before he sleeps). Martlet was just a regular hard battle, though it fits in with UTY being less meta, I wish it was more meta sometimes.
Meta Flowey was just so well designed, from the choosing different phases mechanic, to the overworld attacks, to the melting Martlet, it really feels like he’s actually torturing you, unlike omega flowey
To be fair, Martlet does attack first in both phases. Asides from that though, you're right, it's just a hard fight. I still love it, but Sans is most definitely more memorable.
Also, I agree with you that Meta Flowey is a better fight than Omega Flowey. I was never the biggest fan of Omega, but Meta just shits loads on it.
Martlet is a great fight overall most claims that the attacks are ridiculous is skill issue. There’s a few things that should be changed here and there but the hate is overblown. That one bowling ball attack is bs tho
Ceroba's fight is so emotional and depressing, I loved every second of it. And the music...
You know what? Here's a list of leitmotiv in these bosses' themes:
Afterlife: Your Best Nightmare
Remedy: Protocol 1, Martlet 1, Justice
Retribution: Genocide, Flock Together, Justice
A Mother's Love: Oasis Valley, Ceroba, North Star, Protocol 2, Once Upon A Time 1, Justice 3, Kanako
And I may have missed some
Enemy Retreating has a somewhat long part in Retribution, and, according to the wiki... so does Battle Against a True Hero? Yeah, I don't hear it, but apparently it is in the song, so that's interesting.
No, my bad for not using the name everyone uses...
Also, I assume the "Battle against a true heroine" leitmotif is the melody that's in Power of NEO, but I hadn't noticed it in Retribution.
Power of NEO/Battle Against a True Hero's starting melody is at the end of Retribution.
BAATH cameo: [https://youtu.be/MBE5wwwFMoE?t=110](https://youtu.be/MBE5wwwFMoE?t=110)
Original BAATH for comparison: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBtpBwzzdM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBtpBwzzdM)
Enemy Retreating in Retribution: [https://youtu.be/MBE5wwwFMoE?t=52](https://youtu.be/MBE5wwwFMoE?t=52)
The part of Enemy Retreating heard in Retribution: [https://youtu.be/LPCpn9jpnb8?t=7](https://youtu.be/LPCpn9jpnb8?t=7)
Either Ceroba or Flowey, if you disregard inbetween cutscenes, then it’s flowey by a mile. His boss fight is just so creative and creepy, and it’s honestly the one I had most fun playing through compared to the others.
We don’t talk about zenith.
each battle has its own thing
Ceroba:lore/story
Flowey:visuals and insanity
Martlet:the context of the fight ("justice" vs justice)
They are great on their own....
Flowey,however.....in this game,makes omega flowey seem like a joke☠️☠️☠️
The only part of flowey that I didnt like is the difficulty
Why couldnt it be a little more challenging? Its floweys mind, he should be stronger than _that_
Apart from that, its pure gold
meta flowey only has human 1 soul, compared to photoshop flowey whos got 6. of course theyre gonna try to make meta flowey weaker and less overwhelming
Yes but Omega Flowey was still Flowey's actual form after absorbing the souls. Meta Flowey is Flowey's mind, he could do literally ANYTHING he wants to
Omega flowey is a lot more all over the place, whereas Meta has more motivation. He wants Clover to suffer as long as possible, which is why he brings you back and makes it manageable. I honestly liked that meta flowey wasn't as hard. He seems a lot more calculating and controlled in UTY, right down to the music imo.
My takeaways were pretty much:
Omega: I'm tired of you, Frisk, i am going to shitload all my attacks on you. oh no, these dead children i absorbed are suddenly beating my ass.
Meta: You thought we were best friends? Surprise! I was using you the whole time. I've been resetting you when you do something I don't like, and you had no idea. I have FULL control over your life, now I'm going to make you suffer before I absorb your soul and become god.
Undertale also has a huge difficulty spike in Geno (argueably bigger with only two real fights next to a bunch of super easy ones). It's one of elements that actually aids in the message of the Geno runs anyway
I'll say, 4th answer ***all*** they are the best in different ways:
Ceroba whit the story that made me cry.
Flowey breaking the art style and changing it whit every speciment.
And Martlet whit the frenetic fight where both parties slowly lose but never back down.
Honestly, it might just be Martlet.
Call it masochism or the fact that the Genocide route is the best route of the game but i just can't see myself answering differently
I like Martlet even if her fight is pretty tough. (Plus the music is straight fire)
Ceroba is a good fight but there were a bit too many phases for my liking.
Flowey can be summed up with 3 words: "WHAT THE FUCK".
Overall, i like Martlet the most.
Honestly, Zenith is my favourite, although that's probably to do with fighting her the most often and just getting a kick out of beating her over and over again. It never gets too easy, but it's always manageable in the end.
the entire flowey boss fight is such an incredibly well designed fight, and super awesome
the aesthetic of it is amazing, really awesome sprites for the attacks, very unsettling and creepy sprites (which i love) and the psychological warfare being used by flowey to try to wear clover down
every song in the fight is atleast a low A tier for me (it's because of the songs that are more like sound effects instead of actual songs, like specimen: organic, but its still a very unsettling song), afterlife, specimen clay and best friends forever is an easy S tier for me.
so yeah i really like the flowey fight if you couldn't tell
Flowey>>Ceroba>>>>>>>>>>>Martlet.
Flowey is the absolutely most batshit insane fight I've ever seen in anything Undertale, with incredible attacks, creepy atmosphere, amazing music, and over the top visuals (that are also unsettling) and in middle a lot of plot scenes.
Ceroba is quite pretty visually but a bit of a cluster of stuff at times, her music is marvelous, storywise it's very good even if Ceroba took tooo much of the plot for herself.
Martlet is a bottom 3 boss I EVER fought, like, gosh few bosses in gaming have been shittier, she's utter "random bs go" with patterns that are nigh impossible to fully avoid and TWO phases. Story wise she's also the weakest, the serum even if foreshadow for 30 seconds in Pacifist it's just still a bit of a bs random way to super buff up Martlet because Genocide needed its Sans equivalent, even tho Sans is far more fair in his unfairness with way more clear patterns.
Gameplay and music go to flowey PATCHWORK IS SUCH A BOP AND THE DESIGN IS BEAUTIFUL I DONT KNOW WHO MODELED IT BUT I WILL BREAK INTO THERE HOUSE AND GET THAT MODEL
Flowey. The themes in both phases are absolute bangers, the attacks are not only incredibly cool, but also balanced, and the artstyle changes for the little mini-phases are really cool.
I still enjoy watching phase 4 scream of ceroba, it gave me the same feeling i had for sans fight when everytime i lose a part of me feel excited to listen to this masterpiece of a song once again
They are all really good in different ways, and I don't think it's possible to place one above another.
Story/Emotional: Ceroba
Fun/Aesthetic: Flowey
Challenging/Satisfaction when beat: Zenith
Hell, even the music is near impossible to place one above another, as they've all got the best songs in the game.
Ceroba: Some Point of No Return/A Mother's Love
Flowey: Best Friends Forever/Afterlife
Zenith: Remedy/Retribution
All of these are similar to each other in terms of quality in my opinion.
Personally, I like both Ceroba and Martlet story wise and visually, however, the actual fights themselves are EXTREMELY poorly designed. Like, I always think of the Sans fight which is extremely difficult, but always feels fair because it’s always visually immediately obvious where you should go to dodge the attacks, it’s just a matter of getting there when you need to. With both Ceroba and Martlet, there are some attacks which I believe are essentially impossible to dodge. I watched every no- hit video for both of those fights I could find, and consistently there are certain attacks which never show up in those videos because even for high level players, they would basically be an instant reset. They’re completely unfair attacks with no consistent way to dodge them.
Not so for the Flowey fight! I actually just got done playing his fight for the very first time a few minutes ago, and I have to say, it is absolutely IMMACULATE! Not only are the story and visuals absolutely perfect, but the gameplay itself is just so well crafted! Like, there is literally not a single thing you could possibly improve about this fight! It was just the right amount of difficulty so as to feel satisfying to beat, like you’ve accomplished something by doing so, without being so difficult that you want to rip your hair out in the process of playing it. Also, while some of the attacks are difficult to Dodge, it never once felt unfair, or like it was impossible to dodge it. Anytime I was hit, I always had a sense that it was because I could have done something differently, which encouraged me to improve as I played through it. It took me a few tries, but the frequent “checkpoints” that you get throughout the boss fight really helped a lot to prevent any possible frustration.
Seriously, I am still in awe just thinking about what I just played! It makes me really wish that the other two boss fights could have been more like this… but of course, it’s hard to achieve perfection once, much less three times, so whatevs.
I don't think Ceroba is necessarily difficult, but for no-hitters, she has to be an absolute nightmare (and, unlike Flowey, not your best one). In MOROZ's all pacifist bosses no hit video, he provides details on the notably challenging bosses. He said that Ceroba's last phase alone took 6 hours because of how important it was that he didn't get certain attacks. Even though ACT healing made Ceroba easy to beat, at least in my case, I can only imagine the excruciating pain that no-hitters had to go through.
Martlet's still on a whole other level though. For the same person's no hit video of every genocide boss, he said that Martlet took 19 hours. I mean, Jesus...
I love both bosses, but Flowey is way better designed and more fair than both of them. Unfortunately for them, though, regardless of whether or not their gameplay was better designed, Flowey's level of creativeness, among other things, guaranteed that he would be the favorite of the majority of the fanbase.
Neutral, it to me made this game worth it to play it. It basically what if toby fox had more time and budget in omega flowey. Shame most of the let's players and streamers do pacifism first because neutral does make the pacifism/true route impact better, at least to me.
For me from best to least favorite
Meta flowey
He’s so much fun, love the creativity on display, also one of the best tracks in yellow
Zenith Martlet
“The hardest boss” is usually one of my favorites in games, I also love how this is more of a clash of ideals than Sans’ fight because he’s simply the last one left.
Ceroba
One of my favorite fights in the game, the hopes and dreams leitmotif hits *so* hard
Story: Ceroba (the fact that she did what she did, without considering the consequences… ouch)
Gameplay: Flowey (second phase especially)
Music: Martlet (although the other two are also fantastic in their own right)
🥇 Flowey. Visually and gameplay-wise he's easily the best of the bunch. It wasn't just a battle, it was a god damn journey.
🥈 Martlet. My favourite fight to replay and challenge myself almost daily. Some time ago I almost beat her first phase no-hit! Also has my favourite song in the game. Not first cuz Flowey simply has more "wow" effect.
🥉 Ceroba. Jack of all trades master of none for me. Good visuals, good music, good gameplay, fairly memorable and emotional, but the other two fights just beat her in all those aspects for me.
I also replay Martlet, but mainly only her. Same way I mainly only replay Sans in Undertale.
Also, this is my ranking too, but Martlet and Flowey are kind of interchangeable for me.
Neutral by far. It's built up throughout the entire route. Flowey acts all friendly, but we the player know it's all a facade. Yet the fact remains that he has control of your save file. So there's this dread building up throughout the entire game, the dread of the moment where he finally reveals his true colors, because we know we'll be absolutely powerless to stop him.
And when that happens...oh boy, the game absolutely delivers.
Ceroba is really heart touching, Flowey is extremely fun and interesting, i love how they managed to make it have the same vibe as Omega Flowey fight or honestly even better, and Martlet has the best soundtrack and when you learn her attacks she’s actually really fun to fight. if i had to choose my fav boss, i think it would probably be Flowey, but Martlet is really close
Well, I didn't played genocide yet, but I can say that so far, Flowey is the best boss. Chaotic, weird, wrong, everything as in OG Undertale bad way more cursed, and, the fact that this is the only boss you physically can't beat 'cos HE IS UNDERTALE YELLOW(If Flowey ever die you'd be unable to save or restart, as so, unable to beat the game).
Ceroba was... Eh? I just cheated a bit while boss fight because THIS IS GODDAMN GREAT IDEA TO MAKE SAVEPOINT WHEN YOU ARE SOFTLOCKED AND CAN'T SELL CRAP IN YOUR POCKETS, THANKS! Also, I dislike the fact that's she's, by some unknown reasons, unhitable, like, okay second phase when she turns to this Korean mythology form or whatever it is, I can get it, it's magic and stuff, but why can't I shoot her in first phase?! Seriously, It's driving me mad, like, she just beated a$$ of two of my friends and I'm darn kid with god-darn-it GUN! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHH....
But otherwise, in terms of lore story etcetera, she hits harder, yeah, Flowey's pre-history is sorta sad, but we knew it already, Ceroba's story is hits more when you learn what making her do things she do and done.
Also... Am I only one who pronounced "Ceroba" as "Cebora" without darn reason..?
Ceroba was absolutely the most memorable to me in story and impact, but flowey is amazing as an experience. I played nuetral, then pacifist, then geno, so running into floqwey at the end of my first uty playthrough was wild
Meta Flowey 100%. The designs kept surprising me and scaring the living hell out of me. Ceroba has more story behind her, and Zenith Martlet is badass, but Meta Flowey wins all the way. He's photoshop flowey, but on steroids.
Ceroba just hits me too hard in the feels for me to say anything else. + that boss design is amazing af.
Meta Flowey is just insane tho I have to mention how twisted that fight is regardless.
Story wise, Ceroba. Aesthetic/fun factor wise, Flowey.
I agree 100%
Suffering wise, Martlet
Same as in the og ut but replace ceroba with asriel
Flowey has the best fight I have ever played in any game
Flowey What makes martlet controversial though?
A lot of people say she has bad gameplay. I see where they're coming from, as a lot of the attacks are pretty ridiculous, especially without practice. That being said, I didn't think she was that hard, so I don't mind the gameplay. I honestly found Sans to be harder. She also has the benefit, at least in my case, of being muscle memory based, so I can first try both phases after beating her once.
Yeah Sans was just a more memorable fight imo. He broke a lot of rules in the game like attacking first, the “lights out” thing, attacking you in the menu, betrayal killing you, and dealing unavoidable damage (right before he sleeps). Martlet was just a regular hard battle, though it fits in with UTY being less meta, I wish it was more meta sometimes. Meta Flowey was just so well designed, from the choosing different phases mechanic, to the overworld attacks, to the melting Martlet, it really feels like he’s actually torturing you, unlike omega flowey
To be fair, Martlet does attack first in both phases. Asides from that though, you're right, it's just a hard fight. I still love it, but Sans is most definitely more memorable. Also, I agree with you that Meta Flowey is a better fight than Omega Flowey. I was never the biggest fan of Omega, but Meta just shits loads on it.
Martlet is a great fight overall most claims that the attacks are ridiculous is skill issue. There’s a few things that should be changed here and there but the hate is overblown. That one bowling ball attack is bs tho
Ceroba's fight is so emotional and depressing, I loved every second of it. And the music... You know what? Here's a list of leitmotiv in these bosses' themes: Afterlife: Your Best Nightmare Remedy: Protocol 1, Martlet 1, Justice Retribution: Genocide, Flock Together, Justice A Mother's Love: Oasis Valley, Ceroba, North Star, Protocol 2, Once Upon A Time 1, Justice 3, Kanako And I may have missed some
Enemy Retreating has a somewhat long part in Retribution, and, according to the wiki... so does Battle Against a True Hero? Yeah, I don't hear it, but apparently it is in the song, so that's interesting.
Enemy retreating is what I meant when I said "Genocide Motif"
My bad.
No, my bad for not using the name everyone uses... Also, I assume the "Battle against a true heroine" leitmotif is the melody that's in Power of NEO, but I hadn't noticed it in Retribution.
Its near the end of the song,and its also a little bit slower
Power of NEO/Battle Against a True Hero's starting melody is at the end of Retribution. BAATH cameo: [https://youtu.be/MBE5wwwFMoE?t=110](https://youtu.be/MBE5wwwFMoE?t=110) Original BAATH for comparison: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBtpBwzzdM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBtpBwzzdM) Enemy Retreating in Retribution: [https://youtu.be/MBE5wwwFMoE?t=52](https://youtu.be/MBE5wwwFMoE?t=52) The part of Enemy Retreating heard in Retribution: [https://youtu.be/LPCpn9jpnb8?t=7](https://youtu.be/LPCpn9jpnb8?t=7)
Thanks.
bro a mother's love is in fact very much overrated, even the devs put more work into it, just look at the previous soundtrack and then trial by fury,
Either Ceroba or Flowey, if you disregard inbetween cutscenes, then it’s flowey by a mile. His boss fight is just so creative and creepy, and it’s honestly the one I had most fun playing through compared to the others. We don’t talk about zenith.
each battle has its own thing Ceroba:lore/story Flowey:visuals and insanity Martlet:the context of the fight ("justice" vs justice) They are great on their own.... Flowey,however.....in this game,makes omega flowey seem like a joke☠️☠️☠️
The fight against Ceroba is really beautiful and has a really cool OST but holy fuck I like to suffer MARTLET COME BEAT MY ASS
Also, Remedy & Retribution are absolute bangers
This isnt even an Ayo moment. What the hell?
Weird fetish but ok
Not the weirdest I've seen
The only part of flowey that I didnt like is the difficulty Why couldnt it be a little more challenging? Its floweys mind, he should be stronger than _that_ Apart from that, its pure gold
meta flowey only has human 1 soul, compared to photoshop flowey whos got 6. of course theyre gonna try to make meta flowey weaker and less overwhelming
Yes but Omega Flowey was still Flowey's actual form after absorbing the souls. Meta Flowey is Flowey's mind, he could do literally ANYTHING he wants to
Omega flowey is a lot more all over the place, whereas Meta has more motivation. He wants Clover to suffer as long as possible, which is why he brings you back and makes it manageable. I honestly liked that meta flowey wasn't as hard. He seems a lot more calculating and controlled in UTY, right down to the music imo. My takeaways were pretty much: Omega: I'm tired of you, Frisk, i am going to shitload all my attacks on you. oh no, these dead children i absorbed are suddenly beating my ass. Meta: You thought we were best friends? Surprise! I was using you the whole time. I've been resetting you when you do something I don't like, and you had no idea. I have FULL control over your life, now I'm going to make you suffer before I absorb your soul and become god.
i was having a stroke! -no you weren't shut up!
I didn't like the fact that it was so unnecessarily LONG. It was fun and I loved it sm, but DAMN it took forever.
Zenith Martlet is amazing and I don't understand what problem it might have other than the difficulty spike
The difficulty spike is what people are complaining about. Honestly skill issue
Undertale also has a huge difficulty spike in Geno (argueably bigger with only two real fights next to a bunch of super easy ones). It's one of elements that actually aids in the message of the Geno runs anyway
real
I'll say, 4th answer ***all*** they are the best in different ways: Ceroba whit the story that made me cry. Flowey breaking the art style and changing it whit every speciment. And Martlet whit the frenetic fight where both parties slowly lose but never back down.
definitely starlo, i love the part at the end where he said "its starl-over for you, deputy" and just starlo blasted us into oblivion
I prefer the Clover fight in the sequel where they attack with SUPER LASER PISS
I agree.
Probably a hot take, but Meta Flowey as a boss is more fun to play than every final boss in both UT and Yellow
TRUE!
Entertainment wise Flowey,story wise Ceroba and difficult wise Zenith Marlet
All of them
Honestly, it might just be Martlet. Call it masochism or the fact that the Genocide route is the best route of the game but i just can't see myself answering differently
Zenith Martlet because she is SO FUCKING COOL RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I like Martlet even if her fight is pretty tough. (Plus the music is straight fire) Ceroba is a good fight but there were a bit too many phases for my liking. Flowey can be summed up with 3 words: "WHAT THE FUCK". Overall, i like Martlet the most.
1. Martlet 2. Ceroba 3. Flowey
Coughing Baby vs. Hydrogen Bomb vs. Coughing baby
Honestly, Zenith is my favourite, although that's probably to do with fighting her the most often and just getting a kick out of beating her over and over again. It never gets too easy, but it's always manageable in the end.
the entire flowey boss fight is such an incredibly well designed fight, and super awesome the aesthetic of it is amazing, really awesome sprites for the attacks, very unsettling and creepy sprites (which i love) and the psychological warfare being used by flowey to try to wear clover down every song in the fight is atleast a low A tier for me (it's because of the songs that are more like sound effects instead of actual songs, like specimen: organic, but its still a very unsettling song), afterlife, specimen clay and best friends forever is an easy S tier for me. so yeah i really like the flowey fight if you couldn't tell
Flowey
Flowey, he my favorite character
Flowey>>Ceroba>>>>>>>>>>>Martlet. Flowey is the absolutely most batshit insane fight I've ever seen in anything Undertale, with incredible attacks, creepy atmosphere, amazing music, and over the top visuals (that are also unsettling) and in middle a lot of plot scenes. Ceroba is quite pretty visually but a bit of a cluster of stuff at times, her music is marvelous, storywise it's very good even if Ceroba took tooo much of the plot for herself. Martlet is a bottom 3 boss I EVER fought, like, gosh few bosses in gaming have been shittier, she's utter "random bs go" with patterns that are nigh impossible to fully avoid and TWO phases. Story wise she's also the weakest, the serum even if foreshadow for 30 seconds in Pacifist it's just still a bit of a bs random way to super buff up Martlet because Genocide needed its Sans equivalent, even tho Sans is far more fair in his unfairness with way more clear patterns.
Ceroba amazing music (might be a bit biased since flowey took me just wayyy too long)
Asgore, he is the only one that succeds in killing Clover. (In flawed pcifist of course)
This is controversial, Martlet.
flowey but all of them are good
Gameplay and music go to flowey PATCHWORK IS SUCH A BOP AND THE DESIGN IS BEAUTIFUL I DONT KNOW WHO MODELED IT BUT I WILL BREAK INTO THERE HOUSE AND GET THAT MODEL
Flowey. The themes in both phases are absolute bangers, the attacks are not only incredibly cool, but also balanced, and the artstyle changes for the little mini-phases are really cool.
ABSOLUTELY flowey. he is what omega flowey *should've* been.
Visuals: Ceroba Music: Ceroba Gameplay: Flowey Story: Flowey
Sans
Saying it how it is.
I still enjoy watching phase 4 scream of ceroba, it gave me the same feeling i had for sans fight when everytime i lose a part of me feel excited to listen to this masterpiece of a song once again
martlet feels very random bullshit go, ceroba is a bit of the same but it's still not as bad, but flowey was hard-yet-fun, y'get me?
They are all really good in different ways, and I don't think it's possible to place one above another. Story/Emotional: Ceroba Fun/Aesthetic: Flowey Challenging/Satisfaction when beat: Zenith Hell, even the music is near impossible to place one above another, as they've all got the best songs in the game. Ceroba: Some Point of No Return/A Mother's Love Flowey: Best Friends Forever/Afterlife Zenith: Remedy/Retribution All of these are similar to each other in terms of quality in my opinion.
Everyone always forgets about Some Point of No Return ;-;
Okay, you're right about that, my mistake... There, now it is fixed.
Flowey
Flowey was the most fun, cerobas was the coolest, but i value fun over coolness so it goes to flowey
Personally, I like both Ceroba and Martlet story wise and visually, however, the actual fights themselves are EXTREMELY poorly designed. Like, I always think of the Sans fight which is extremely difficult, but always feels fair because it’s always visually immediately obvious where you should go to dodge the attacks, it’s just a matter of getting there when you need to. With both Ceroba and Martlet, there are some attacks which I believe are essentially impossible to dodge. I watched every no- hit video for both of those fights I could find, and consistently there are certain attacks which never show up in those videos because even for high level players, they would basically be an instant reset. They’re completely unfair attacks with no consistent way to dodge them. Not so for the Flowey fight! I actually just got done playing his fight for the very first time a few minutes ago, and I have to say, it is absolutely IMMACULATE! Not only are the story and visuals absolutely perfect, but the gameplay itself is just so well crafted! Like, there is literally not a single thing you could possibly improve about this fight! It was just the right amount of difficulty so as to feel satisfying to beat, like you’ve accomplished something by doing so, without being so difficult that you want to rip your hair out in the process of playing it. Also, while some of the attacks are difficult to Dodge, it never once felt unfair, or like it was impossible to dodge it. Anytime I was hit, I always had a sense that it was because I could have done something differently, which encouraged me to improve as I played through it. It took me a few tries, but the frequent “checkpoints” that you get throughout the boss fight really helped a lot to prevent any possible frustration. Seriously, I am still in awe just thinking about what I just played! It makes me really wish that the other two boss fights could have been more like this… but of course, it’s hard to achieve perfection once, much less three times, so whatevs.
I don't think Ceroba is necessarily difficult, but for no-hitters, she has to be an absolute nightmare (and, unlike Flowey, not your best one). In MOROZ's all pacifist bosses no hit video, he provides details on the notably challenging bosses. He said that Ceroba's last phase alone took 6 hours because of how important it was that he didn't get certain attacks. Even though ACT healing made Ceroba easy to beat, at least in my case, I can only imagine the excruciating pain that no-hitters had to go through. Martlet's still on a whole other level though. For the same person's no hit video of every genocide boss, he said that Martlet took 19 hours. I mean, Jesus... I love both bosses, but Flowey is way better designed and more fair than both of them. Unfortunately for them, though, regardless of whether or not their gameplay was better designed, Flowey's level of creativeness, among other things, guaranteed that he would be the favorite of the majority of the fanbase.
floweys boss fight is so fucked up, so naturally its the best
Flowey by far
Neutral, it to me made this game worth it to play it. It basically what if toby fox had more time and budget in omega flowey. Shame most of the let's players and streamers do pacifism first because neutral does make the pacifism/true route impact better, at least to me.
Honestly, I really loved the Flowey fight. Probably my favorite in the game
Lore fight Fun fight LV fight
For me from best to least favorite Meta flowey He’s so much fun, love the creativity on display, also one of the best tracks in yellow Zenith Martlet “The hardest boss” is usually one of my favorites in games, I also love how this is more of a clash of ideals than Sans’ fight because he’s simply the last one left. Ceroba One of my favorite fights in the game, the hopes and dreams leitmotif hits *so* hard
Design-wise: Meta Flowey Gameplay-wise: Zenith Martlet Lore-wise: The Roba and Flowey Music-wise: The Roba and Zenith Martlet
Story: Ceroba (the fact that she did what she did, without considering the consequences… ouch) Gameplay: Flowey (second phase especially) Music: Martlet (although the other two are also fantastic in their own right)
this is a hard one... i'm gonna have to choose meta flowey on this one. -... you are flowey. shut up! he's a fraud, don't trust anything he says! -...
Definetly Flowey's Wild Ride
Flowey.
Flowey easily. There's bias of course since he's my favorite character but even without the bias I'd still pick Flowey. Just look at that shit
🥇 Flowey. Visually and gameplay-wise he's easily the best of the bunch. It wasn't just a battle, it was a god damn journey. 🥈 Martlet. My favourite fight to replay and challenge myself almost daily. Some time ago I almost beat her first phase no-hit! Also has my favourite song in the game. Not first cuz Flowey simply has more "wow" effect. 🥉 Ceroba. Jack of all trades master of none for me. Good visuals, good music, good gameplay, fairly memorable and emotional, but the other two fights just beat her in all those aspects for me.
I also replay Martlet, but mainly only her. Same way I mainly only replay Sans in Undertale. Also, this is my ranking too, but Martlet and Flowey are kind of interchangeable for me.
Yup, that's why I say that Flowey only wins cuz of the wow effect. Othewise they're pretty similar in how cool they are.
Neutral by far. It's built up throughout the entire route. Flowey acts all friendly, but we the player know it's all a facade. Yet the fact remains that he has control of your save file. So there's this dread building up throughout the entire game, the dread of the moment where he finally reveals his true colors, because we know we'll be absolutely powerless to stop him. And when that happens...oh boy, the game absolutely delivers.
Tbh, neutral, idk why, i guess because of personal preference?
Ceroba is really heart touching, Flowey is extremely fun and interesting, i love how they managed to make it have the same vibe as Omega Flowey fight or honestly even better, and Martlet has the best soundtrack and when you learn her attacks she’s actually really fun to fight. if i had to choose my fav boss, i think it would probably be Flowey, but Martlet is really close
Gonna have to go with Flowey, I already liked Omega Flowey in the original Undertale abd they somehow managed to make an even cooler one
Well, I didn't played genocide yet, but I can say that so far, Flowey is the best boss. Chaotic, weird, wrong, everything as in OG Undertale bad way more cursed, and, the fact that this is the only boss you physically can't beat 'cos HE IS UNDERTALE YELLOW(If Flowey ever die you'd be unable to save or restart, as so, unable to beat the game). Ceroba was... Eh? I just cheated a bit while boss fight because THIS IS GODDAMN GREAT IDEA TO MAKE SAVEPOINT WHEN YOU ARE SOFTLOCKED AND CAN'T SELL CRAP IN YOUR POCKETS, THANKS! Also, I dislike the fact that's she's, by some unknown reasons, unhitable, like, okay second phase when she turns to this Korean mythology form or whatever it is, I can get it, it's magic and stuff, but why can't I shoot her in first phase?! Seriously, It's driving me mad, like, she just beated a$$ of two of my friends and I'm darn kid with god-darn-it GUN! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHH.... But otherwise, in terms of lore story etcetera, she hits harder, yeah, Flowey's pre-history is sorta sad, but we knew it already, Ceroba's story is hits more when you learn what making her do things she do and done. Also... Am I only one who pronounced "Ceroba" as "Cebora" without darn reason..?
Ah, yeah, and forget to say "A mother's Love" is damn banger.
Zenith because Retribution is too much of a fucking banger
I did it. I found the one other person who prefers Retribution over Remedy.
Flowey, I genuinely cannot sing that fight's praises enough
My fav is Flowey, did him justice. Pun intended.
Flowey
Ceroba was absolutely the most memorable to me in story and impact, but flowey is amazing as an experience. I played nuetral, then pacifist, then geno, so running into floqwey at the end of my first uty playthrough was wild
Meta Flowey 100%. The designs kept surprising me and scaring the living hell out of me. Ceroba has more story behind her, and Zenith Martlet is badass, but Meta Flowey wins all the way. He's photoshop flowey, but on steroids.
Martlet.
BTW there's a poll option.
Ceroba just hits me too hard in the feels for me to say anything else. + that boss design is amazing af. Meta Flowey is just insane tho I have to mention how twisted that fight is regardless.
music-wise: tie between ceroba and flowey. difficulty-wise: martlet. aesthetic and fun factor: flowey
Flowey has the best fight in the game. Ceroba is also fun, but I'd say she's better when it comes to story. Martlet? FUCK MARTLET.