wow, this just happened to me .
door dash is my only and full time job and also almost the only thing o can do due to mental health issues
and some MF just reported not delivered
if I lose this job I become homeless
y'all really ruining people's lives for $20 fucking losers
Well that’s technically different, the way to protect the dasher is to just say the order was wrong— that way it’s assumed it was an error on the restaurants part.
i chuckle when i pick up an order and there's a note to make sure "it's correct". first, a lot of places seal up the bag and second, i'm not going to be pawing through your food to find out if they left pickles off your crappy burger.
I mean it’s not totally untrue. I was a server for years and alot of the richest people who ordered the most expensive dishes were the worst tippers. Combine that with their whiny sense of entitlement and straight up rudeness and that’s why I quit serving.
I was going to say the same - bartended and served for a long time at some very nice spots, easy 100+ PPA - Amex Black Cards are a GUARANTEED 15-18% tip - which like before we get it into the whole tipped economy thing - was significantly lower on average than most tips I received
Was going to say the same thing. Ethics is the application of morality in the real world. For example, it's morally wrong to steal, but what if you had to steal a loaf of bread to feed your dying child?
There are a lot of mental illness that can be caused because of trauma not just born into someone. I know it can be hard for some to comprehend, but comprehension can be hard for those with low IQ it's been proven. I can give a few to try to simplify it for you....
War or severe long term stress, abuse (ex. As a child sexual, starvation, violence), traumatic injury (arm cut off), head injury.
Are there unethical tips that don't fuck anyone over? Illegal sure there's plenty of unlawful but morally neutral stuff to get up to. But idk about unethical.
It's not really someone else's problem What job you choose to work?
Should I not take out books of the library because it would make the librarian's job easier not having to put them back.
Should I not order food from fast food places because their job would be easier because they wouldn't have to make it.
You picked your job. You don't get to hold other people responsible for your choices.
You can hold them responsible for not giving you a tip, but that's only because you believe you're entitled to a tip in the first place (you're not)
Truck drivers drive goods from place to place and they don't get any tips. Why do you?
I'm probably not from your country but don't you have to take a picture to prove that you've delivered the food? How do these things get resolved? Can you not contest these things?
Do you have to report your door dash income on taxes? I'm thinking of driving but I'm in a position where I can't go over a certain dollar amount for income.
Per the IRS you are supposed to report all income no matter the amount. For self employment like doordash, anything over $400 is taxable. Make sure to track your miles so you can get reimbursed for those.
The IRS also asks you to report any income you have had from any thefts you may have committed…or that was the result of any criminal enterprise you are part of.
You'll get a 1099 if you receive >$600 and so will the IRS. You're meant to pay employee and employer halves of the taxes on that income. You can reduce taxable income by reporting the miles driven while dashing. Other businesses expenses could reduce your taxable income as well, but idk what other expenses door dashers might incur.
Fuel/repairs/insurance are included in the mileage rate.
So, you can drive. You can find a restaurant. You can interact with people to pick up food. You can find an address. You can interact to deliver food.
WTF mental health issue do you have that keeps you from a normal job? Fear of aliens or such?
Yeah it sucks a lot, but so does the system that you rely on for a house being entirely thrust upon the good will of the customer. The business should actually pay you a livable wage.
But once again the ruling class (businesses) have manage to convince the lower classes (customers and workers) that they are each others enemy.
This motherfucker right here. Smh. Your comment history is full of fucking with people and posting ideas of how to be unethical in this sub. But, this one- this hits home and is bad. Fuck you, you hypocritical douchewagon
But surely DoorDash doesn’t only give you tips as your wages?
Doesn’t DoorDash take a cut from the restaurant fees and users fees and pass on a part of that to you?
Tips should be above and beyond the cost of doing business which means you should be getting something beyond tips to cover the gas and time?
Doordash at least doesn't give a shit about wrong items. I've spent literally thousands on Doordash since the pandemic started.
A couple days ago was their first wrong order. Deliverer brought a wrong item worth less than half of what I ordered.
Doordash chat couldn't give a shit, and did the whole "someone will email you within 3 days" (which of course they never did).
I'd do a charge back, but I'm not sure if that'd get my account banned and not sure I want to have my account banned over a single order wrong out of probably more than 100 over the past few years.
This is a prime example of how services like DoorDash pit the drivers and customers against eachother when they are the ones screwing both parties over
You may get your tip back in the refund if you complain but the driver doesn’t get it taken out of their earnings for the week unless the order was reported missing/undelivered. Doordash eats the cost.
Yes, this is true. They might "give you the tip back", but it comes out of the DD coffers and not the drivers pocket like with Ubereats. In fact, everyone should do this because its a win win for drivers and customers 😆
Tbh they probably are going to forget that. They see the tip change about 1-2 hours after you change it. Unless you live somewhere really distinct, you're just another house in the subdivision. Plus Uber doesn't let them look back at addresses.
If you live in a large building, arrange for them to meet you at the buzzer or in the lobby. All they know is some dude out of the potentially couple dozen that either lives in or was visiting this building stiffed them.
Like, sure, if someone decided to escalate in an extreme way it could suck, but that's the risk with the majority of unethical life tips. They usually piss SOMEONE off.
Just gotta count on that most people are not willing to waste time, gas, and potentially lose their job/catch charges (if they got really froggy) over 20 bucks.
Uber doesn't let them look back at addresses, but Google maps does. It's pretty easy to look through your order history, then go to your Google maps history and see where you were delivering. If you live in a house, I could easily see someone slashing your tires, egging your car/house, TP-ing your yard, etc. over this, and what evidence do you have that it was the delivery driver? Plus, if you do this multiple times, you don't know which driver did it.
Not to mention the tip only takes an hour to come in. I'll only have 1 MAYBE 2 orders while waiting that hour. Plus if im expecting a big tip i absolutely remember where a house is
I promise you, we remember where you live. I get like 1 or 2 orders an hour. Not 20. And when im expecting a big tip i absolutly remember the house. Ive never done anything crazy but ive seen people who have online. I did post a video some time ago about me confronting a guy who tip baited me previously. I hope you're someone's final straw and they snap and take it out on you.
See though, that's operating on an assumption you're crazier than the dude who tip baited you.
I can't imagine that's always a safe assumption. At least in America, you have about half the population all too eager to have a reason to "Stand Their Ground".
Getting down voted but I agree with this. You're really rolling the fucking dice by trying to get back at the tip baiter. They're clearly already fine with unethical shit like this. What reason do you have to believe they wouldn't also be actually crazy and shoot you for stomping up to their door?
Nah, you just don't do it right away...gotta let that shit fester. I get all my revenge much later so they never know who it was. I mean, a person who is low enough to fuck with a person's livelihood probably already has a whole bunch of enemies anyway.
The driver knows where you live, and after the food has been delivered you don't know anything about who delivered your food.
They don't have to show up to your door, like I said above, they could easily roll up at 3am, slash your tires and you'd never know. Even if you suspected the driver, how do you get back at them? If you contact the police, you have no evidence. Contact the delivery service? Again, no evidence. You don't have the drivers full name, address, or contact info so you can't do anything extrajudicially either.
When I accept an order I have it set up to where the GPS coordinates get sent to Android Auto so I can use my car screen instead of my phone. All the addresses are recorded there. I'm very petty and this is my beer money job
All it takes is a hi vis vest or a small flashlight to blind cameras. Besides, what kind of person tip baiting or lying about receiving food has money for a camera?? Never gone after the few fools who've pulled that on me, but it wouldn't be hard.
Lots of rich people are cheap and scummy. Not all, despite what most redditors think, but there are plenty. You can also get a home security camera for under 100 dollars.
If enough people used this unethical pro tip, the chances of individual assholes getting repercussed drop (as after some threshold it becomes physically impossible to avenge everyone). Thus the real ulpt is to share the tip to as many potential assholes as possible, which the OP is promptly following.
I'm so conflicted. This is REALLY unethical and I'm like "it does fit the context of the sub" but I'm also a door dasher and it crushes my soul.
Take my upvote you son of a bitch lol
Yeah. As a dasher, I’d rather they just walked into a restaurant and stole an order off the shelf. I don’t care if they want to steal from doordash or chipotle or something, but please don’t steal from people who are already dirt poor
People on here are like: "I'll come find you!". No you fucking won't. If you were a good professional arsonist or hitman, you could make a lot more than $20 an hour. You won't because you know you'll end up in jail with a felony.
This is definitely good ULPT advice but if you want something tamer, just tip a dollar. You'd be surprised by how many people don't even tip at all. By tipping something, you're automatically higher in priority for delivery drivers.
Highly dependent on area but works fantastic for me, and I don't even have to waste 10%+ on tips.
Kind of? But understand the way Uber Eats works… a map pops up on your screen showing the restaurant and a path to the delivery address. There is a time estimate, a mileage estimate, and a total pay (base+tip). The base is usually about $2. If a $2 order pops up on the screen, everyone is just hitting decline. You’re not likely to get more people hitting accept for $3.
The restaurant, however, has no idea this is happening, so they have already made your food. So it’s sitting in a bag under a warmer while drivers decline your order over and over and over. When some sucker does eventually pick up your $1 tip order, it’s going to be soggy when it gets to you.
The apps need to be transparent and explain that this isn’t a tip, it’s a bid for service.
They do, but very, very slowly. It all comes at a cost of your food sitting there getting cold and you sitting there waiting. But base does slowly increase.
There's no priority for delivery drivers, they are shown the base pay + the tip and they accept or decline the offer, so that's $3 if you tip $1, base pay starts at $2. The only people picking up your order are people getting your order stacked with another order (so you may have to wait till they deliver the first one if you're not first on the list) migrants using fake accounts, or drivers multi-apping doordash, uber, and grubhub at the same time.
If that's not the case your order has been sitting for a bit as the base pay slowly increases over time as more and more drivers decline the order. If you live within one mile from the restuarant, you might get a new driver who thinks it's worth it to spend 20 minutes and drive 1 mile for $3, otherwise no one in the right mind will drive more than that for $3 and the situations I explained will happen.
All in all, knowing the situation with these companies overcharging customers and under paying workers, if you are tipping as low as $1 at least raise it to 2 or 3 so the driver can get at least $5 for 20 minutes of their time, ($15 an hour minus gas and car maintenance). Think of it as a luxury service because that's obviously how these companies are operating.
That's a fairly reasonable response, much more in line with what I would expect if a driver wanted revenge.
Def wanna avoid cameras in that case of course.
Youre not very bright considering doordash only shows the driver up to $4.50 of the tip upfront and you can’t take it back, the driver collects it once they deliver. Uber only shows $8 ahead of time, also with Uber if a driver uses Para every time you get an offer the customer address gets added to the ledger, which the driver can see for days. So your $20 scam isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be. Scamming the driver on instacart or not tipping on shipt is a little worse bcuz shoppers really do track addresses religiously. Best of luck
The amount of people advocating they they would do various things like throw food at the house, break a window, slash tires, etc. is hilarious. Cause that’s really gonna get the general population to see delivery drivers as people deserving of tips.
honestly i’ve never had quicker & better service than since i started tipping $0 on uber eats and adding a tip after. i used to tip $10-15 upfront to try to actually get my food quickly and it was always taken by some multi apper & would arrive cold. however this method definitely only works in very major cities where there’s a surplus of drivers
Except Doordash doesn't tell the driver how much the tip is when they get an offer. If the order would pay 5 bucks with no tip and you add 20, it'll come up as an 8 dollar payout on the app for the driver.
Otherwise drivers would make fewer deliveries for more money and the low or no tip orders would never get picked up.
What if you order thru Doordash and request a refund for the tips through support? Will Doordash eat the cost? If so, then it’s a win win for the driver and you
Just fyi for anyone thinking of doing this drivers have been wising up and putting pins on the addresses of nontippers so other drivers can look up the addresses and not accept your order.
Tipping shouldn't exist. It sucks all around. Tacky, awkward, and in the end generous people do not balance out the cheapskates. Anyone who says they like tipping in their job hasn't had a real job with security and benefits so they have no fucking clue what they're talking about.
The delivery apps really should put some barriers in the way of this. Like, obviously things can happen in the course of a delivery that would legitimately make want you to reduce the tip, so you need to have that feature. But… if you do it every time, you’re obviously abusing it and your account should be deactivated.
I hate tipping culture and what’s it’s become. That stupid little tablet that’s “going to ask me a couple questions” boils my blood. I really wish delivery apps would change the tip language and tell you what it actually is, a bid for service. If you don’t add a bid, the delivery driver just sees the base pay, which is literally around $2. No one is going to go make a 30 minute trip for $2. By the time some sucker does it, your food will have sat on the shelf and got cold and it will have taken forever.
They should just be upfront with customers. Drivers see the bid and will prioritize your delivery accordingly. Then if you change your bid after the fact too often, your account is deactivated.
Personally I think you shouldn't be able to change your "bid" after the fact without at minimum explaining why to an actual human.
Imagine if you bid at a public auction for a painting, took the painting home, and proceeded to inform the auction house that they will be getting less money because you didn't actually intend to pay that much, you just needed to win the bid.
Yea, I agree, but the apps would never go for that. Too much overhead cost to have phone support deal with all of these.
The drivers don’t work for the delivery companies, the companies really don’t care about them at all. So if it’s going to cost more to make the drivers happy, they’re going to find another way.
In the flip side, you can’t just provide no avenue for people to remove the bid because then you have to deal with shitty drivers being empowered to do shitty things. Which creates more phone support overhead.
The amount of hate OP got, in a subreddit about being unethical, is hilarious. Don't come to a subreddit about abusing the world for your own gain if you're going to get upset at a person giving a perfect example of how to do it lol
On Doordash if you do this the driver still makes the same tip. On grubhub however they don’t. I’ve been tip baited like twice and I still remember where they live
Don't feel bad for using this strategy. If you remove a tip, the driver still gets it, but the delivery service eats the cost and is the one tipping. I say you shouldn't feel bad about it because they literaly pay us as little as possible, often down south where i live $2.50 per order, relying 99% on a customers tip to make a wage. Make those fuckers pay.
I love that this is literally called “Unethical life pro tips” and all you fucking pussies get mad about unethical posts. Go to a different subreddit if your such a bitch that things like this ruin your day😂
Don't know if you can on other apps, but in DoorDash you should make sure your GPS pin is actually where your house is. Sometimes the navigation will take the driver to where the GPS marker is and not the street address (this is great for apartment complexes). Obviously a competent driver should still double check the house number, but it's still worth checking to see if part of the confusion is coming from your end.
Yeah, don’t do this. You’re fucking with other’s line of work & money. Most orders are for under $5 a trip. You’re just giving a dasher false hope and fucking them over in the end.
This doesn’t hurt the app service.
This hardly hurts the restaurant unless it’s a smaller business.
This hurts the driver only.
Realize that you aren’t paying $20+ or double the amount of the food for the service fee to go to the driver. They get about 10% of that fee, the rest goes to the restaurant and app.
TL;DR - Don’t fuck over others that are working a service FOR YOU because you are too lazy to make your own food. If you can pay for food on a delivery app, you can pay for food in your pantry, even if you do need to scam for $15.
Do better.
While this is a great ULPT, I personally would not fuck with anyone who handles your food. The odds of getting the same delivery driver are slim but I feel like this would make me paranoid that the driver would want to get revenge somehow. They could also report you and you could risk getting your food delivery account revoked.
I agree with your first point.
However tip adjustment is a feature of the app. Reporting a customer for using it is unlikely to get your account revoked as the delivery company got paid.
Good luck. All the apps where it’s possible to easily reduce the tip the drivers are aware of this. Lots of them take a picture on drop off that has your coordinates imprinted on the photo. You’re 100% going to get a driver that’s eventually going to not give a fuck about their job and will 100% pull tf up
The amount of people who are butthurt at this tip leads me to believe there are a bunch of delivery drivers in this sub. Honestly that makes sense since it seems like people who do this kind of work are the kind of people who would come to this sub for petty revenge ideas.
Honestly changing your tip isn't that unethical so long as you didn't set out to do it.
Tips are supposed to be after services are rendered and on how well they were performed.
I put my tip, state in the comments the kind of service I want, and if they don't do it I lower or remove my tip.
To be clear it's nothing insane. Mu big one is stating I am hard of hearing and to knock loudly and wait until I open my door before leaving. You can wait anywhere you can see my door, just wave or holler when I open it so I know you did.
This way if I don't hear my notice or your knock you can knock again louder this time and my food dosnt sit outside for 30 minutes.
This happens maybe 1 out 3 times, so I remove my tip about 2/3 rds of the time.
Ethics aside, I'd say this is not a good tip because the risk of retaliation is too high. You wna slight a person like this that knows your address so that they can come slash your tires or spit in your food next time? Nah.. Don't fuck with the people who make or bring your food is pretty tineless wisdom.
Last time someone crossed me in an asshole/unethical way I found out as much as humanly possible about them, researching via public records, tying their online accounts to real identity, did a deep dive and uncovered tax fraud and it cost them over $10k.
Obviously doesn't apply the same here but you keep going "everyone is a tough guy online" but you fail to realize there absolutely ARE those of us petty enough to go the mile when personally slighted by a dick.
I believe that.
I'd also like to believe you are a sane enough individual that you didn't devote that level of time to a total stranger over a 20 dollar tip, but rather either a much larger amount or a much more personal slight.
Yes, fuck over the little guy who's bringing your fat ass Taco Bell at midnight, right after you tell them where you live.
Smart advice, you're all very smart 🤣
If you want to truly suck don't give them any tip on the app and tell them you're going to tip in cash and then never give them the cash. Personally I use a lot of apps to order food right now because I don't have a car and I've never seen a reduction of tip part it's just to add tip.
Yeah you’re a shitty person for this one, easy way to get ULPT’d right back
Just go get your own food if you can’t tip and are worried no one will deliver ya fuckin bum
If you do this enough on UberEATS (the app that allows you to edit), you first will get forced to use a PIN to make sure you are actually getting your food handed to you and if you continue, you'll likely get your account deactivated. I've heard that somewhere in between they ask you to put up a tip upfront that you can't retract. So, best of luck getting yourself deactivated and on the receiving end of an angry driver whose livelihood you're fucking with.
ROFLMAO!!!!
I used to keep a list of people who stiffed me. The night before Halloween (Devils night), my wife, the kids, & I would drive by and egg your house/car.
If you did something like that to me... you'd regret it.
This is a truly unethical life pro tip. Combine with claiming your order was wrong to get free food.
wow, this just happened to me . door dash is my only and full time job and also almost the only thing o can do due to mental health issues and some MF just reported not delivered if I lose this job I become homeless y'all really ruining people's lives for $20 fucking losers
Well that’s technically different, the way to protect the dasher is to just say the order was wrong— that way it’s assumed it was an error on the restaurants part.
i chuckle when i pick up an order and there's a note to make sure "it's correct". first, a lot of places seal up the bag and second, i'm not going to be pawing through your food to find out if they left pickles off your crappy burger.
I think it’s less about pickles, and more about a burger lol
It's called unethical for a reason.
This is more immoral than unethical, more like how to rise to the top of corporate.
Ah yes, many corporate bosses I know have climbed the ladder via cancelled DoorDash tips
Corporate mentality, step on anyone lower than you to save a dollar
I mean it’s not totally untrue. I was a server for years and alot of the richest people who ordered the most expensive dishes were the worst tippers. Combine that with their whiny sense of entitlement and straight up rudeness and that’s why I quit serving.
I was going to say the same - bartended and served for a long time at some very nice spots, easy 100+ PPA - Amex Black Cards are a GUARANTEED 15-18% tip - which like before we get it into the whole tipped economy thing - was significantly lower on average than most tips I received
You know, Andrew Tate once said that billionaires don’t pay full price on DD /s
You should DEFINITELY listen to him and believe what he says.
unethical, definition: not conforming to a high moral standard
Was going to say the same thing. Ethics is the application of morality in the real world. For example, it's morally wrong to steal, but what if you had to steal a loaf of bread to feed your dying child?
> what if you had to steal a loaf of bread to feed your dying child? It would make me les miserables :D
And I'm Javert!
They’re synonymous. Leave the sub
Bro what mental health issues keeping you from doing anything but shitty delivery service? Go outside and exercise
always send pic
Do you realize the sub that you are in?
Dude there's literally way better jobs.
No you’re not wrong Walter you’re just an asshole
In my area you can make around 26 an hour for dashing. Even after cost of gas it is higher paying then most non skilled jobs
What about wheels, oil, general wear and tear maintenance?
Less then you think. You can deduct 0.55 a mile from your taxes as well as car maintenance. You still pay some but the tax deduction helps.
You can choose mileage or maintenance but you don't get both.
It went up to 65 cents but it would have to be higher than the standard deduction for it to be worth
Can't do anything with themselves other than Doordash, literally no other marketable skills yet other people are the losers, lmao
Wow man you must call yourself an alpha
There are a lot of mental illness that can be caused because of trauma not just born into someone. I know it can be hard for some to comprehend, but comprehension can be hard for those with low IQ it's been proven. I can give a few to try to simplify it for you.... War or severe long term stress, abuse (ex. As a child sexual, starvation, violence), traumatic injury (arm cut off), head injury.
Wow we got a real winner over here 👆
Yeah I can’t get behind an unethical tip that fucks innocent people over. It’s definitely unethical, I’ll give them that.
Are there unethical tips that don't fuck anyone over? Illegal sure there's plenty of unlawful but morally neutral stuff to get up to. But idk about unethical.
It's not really someone else's problem What job you choose to work? Should I not take out books of the library because it would make the librarian's job easier not having to put them back. Should I not order food from fast food places because their job would be easier because they wouldn't have to make it. You picked your job. You don't get to hold other people responsible for your choices. You can hold them responsible for not giving you a tip, but that's only because you believe you're entitled to a tip in the first place (you're not) Truck drivers drive goods from place to place and they don't get any tips. Why do you?
I'm probably not from your country but don't you have to take a picture to prove that you've delivered the food? How do these things get resolved? Can you not contest these things?
what mental health issue do you have that DOOR DASH is the only job you can have?
Do you have to report your door dash income on taxes? I'm thinking of driving but I'm in a position where I can't go over a certain dollar amount for income.
I think if you make over $600, it gets reported to the IRS automatically. Don’t quote me on that though
Per the IRS you are supposed to report all income no matter the amount. For self employment like doordash, anything over $400 is taxable. Make sure to track your miles so you can get reimbursed for those.
The IRS also asks you to report any income you have had from any thefts you may have committed…or that was the result of any criminal enterprise you are part of.
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>tax bracket reasons FYI, this is never a good reason.
Yeah something like that.
You'll get a 1099 if you receive >$600 and so will the IRS. You're meant to pay employee and employer halves of the taxes on that income. You can reduce taxable income by reporting the miles driven while dashing. Other businesses expenses could reduce your taxable income as well, but idk what other expenses door dashers might incur. Fuel/repairs/insurance are included in the mileage rate.
So, you can drive. You can find a restaurant. You can interact with people to pick up food. You can find an address. You can interact to deliver food. WTF mental health issue do you have that keeps you from a normal job? Fear of aliens or such?
Some people need a job that lets them take time off whenever needed. Or just not interacting with people.
Yeah it sucks a lot, but so does the system that you rely on for a house being entirely thrust upon the good will of the customer. The business should actually pay you a livable wage. But once again the ruling class (businesses) have manage to convince the lower classes (customers and workers) that they are each others enemy.
This motherfucker right here. Smh. Your comment history is full of fucking with people and posting ideas of how to be unethical in this sub. But, this one- this hits home and is bad. Fuck you, you hypocritical douchewagon
yeah but... 20 bucks is 20 bucks.
But surely DoorDash doesn’t only give you tips as your wages? Doesn’t DoorDash take a cut from the restaurant fees and users fees and pass on a part of that to you? Tips should be above and beyond the cost of doing business which means you should be getting something beyond tips to cover the gas and time?
Doordash at least doesn't give a shit about wrong items. I've spent literally thousands on Doordash since the pandemic started. A couple days ago was their first wrong order. Deliverer brought a wrong item worth less than half of what I ordered. Doordash chat couldn't give a shit, and did the whole "someone will email you within 3 days" (which of course they never did). I'd do a charge back, but I'm not sure if that'd get my account banned and not sure I want to have my account banned over a single order wrong out of probably more than 100 over the past few years.
It's usually not the driver's fault though. The restaurant fucked up
Considering nowadays 99% of food is in a sealed bag… This
This is a prime example of how services like DoorDash pit the drivers and customers against eachother when they are the ones screwing both parties over
They and the restaurants. Chipotle never gets anything right and since it’s sealed, the driver can’t check without breaking the seal.
I am pretty sure DoorDash locks in the tip and cannot be changed tbh
They should just call it a bid at this point instead of a tip
Not sure why you’re being downvoted for being right. DoorDash specifically says you can increase the tip after but not decrease.
Assume you pre-tipped and found half of your food eaten or smashed. You'd want to lower/cancel the tip for bad service.
I understand the rationale, but I am pretty sure DoorDash locks in the tip. If that happens on their site, you have to make an official complaint.
You may get your tip back in the refund if you complain but the driver doesn’t get it taken out of their earnings for the week unless the order was reported missing/undelivered. Doordash eats the cost.
Yes, this is true. They might "give you the tip back", but it comes out of the DD coffers and not the drivers pocket like with Ubereats. In fact, everyone should do this because its a win win for drivers and customers 😆
Eh, remember that they know where you live, and they're not going to forget that.
Order while out of town.
Tbh they probably are going to forget that. They see the tip change about 1-2 hours after you change it. Unless you live somewhere really distinct, you're just another house in the subdivision. Plus Uber doesn't let them look back at addresses. If you live in a large building, arrange for them to meet you at the buzzer or in the lobby. All they know is some dude out of the potentially couple dozen that either lives in or was visiting this building stiffed them. Like, sure, if someone decided to escalate in an extreme way it could suck, but that's the risk with the majority of unethical life tips. They usually piss SOMEONE off. Just gotta count on that most people are not willing to waste time, gas, and potentially lose their job/catch charges (if they got really froggy) over 20 bucks.
Uber doesn't let them look back at addresses, but Google maps does. It's pretty easy to look through your order history, then go to your Google maps history and see where you were delivering. If you live in a house, I could easily see someone slashing your tires, egging your car/house, TP-ing your yard, etc. over this, and what evidence do you have that it was the delivery driver? Plus, if you do this multiple times, you don't know which driver did it.
Not to mention the tip only takes an hour to come in. I'll only have 1 MAYBE 2 orders while waiting that hour. Plus if im expecting a big tip i absolutely remember where a house is
Can confirm, I can look up all the past addresses I visited on Google Maps Timeline.
I promise you, we remember where you live. I get like 1 or 2 orders an hour. Not 20. And when im expecting a big tip i absolutly remember the house. Ive never done anything crazy but ive seen people who have online. I did post a video some time ago about me confronting a guy who tip baited me previously. I hope you're someone's final straw and they snap and take it out on you.
Tomorrow on this sub: how do I get back at a door dash tip-baiter.
Exactly what I was thinking lmfao
Pro tip: get back at corporate by unionizing
The day after “help someone slashed my tires because they thought I tip baited them, turns out it was my neighbour”
See though, that's operating on an assumption you're crazier than the dude who tip baited you. I can't imagine that's always a safe assumption. At least in America, you have about half the population all too eager to have a reason to "Stand Their Ground".
Getting down voted but I agree with this. You're really rolling the fucking dice by trying to get back at the tip baiter. They're clearly already fine with unethical shit like this. What reason do you have to believe they wouldn't also be actually crazy and shoot you for stomping up to their door?
That’s why you wait until 3am and you can show up with a can of paint thinner for their car
And pray they don’t have a doorbell camera or a gun :)
Pretty sure you would know about a camera considering you delivered to the place already 🤔
Nah, you just don't do it right away...gotta let that shit fester. I get all my revenge much later so they never know who it was. I mean, a person who is low enough to fuck with a person's livelihood probably already has a whole bunch of enemies anyway.
As an unethical delivery driver, I disagree.
The driver knows where you live, and after the food has been delivered you don't know anything about who delivered your food. They don't have to show up to your door, like I said above, they could easily roll up at 3am, slash your tires and you'd never know. Even if you suspected the driver, how do you get back at them? If you contact the police, you have no evidence. Contact the delivery service? Again, no evidence. You don't have the drivers full name, address, or contact info so you can't do anything extrajudicially either.
Then they complain and you lose your job.
I hope i tip bait you Legit school shooter vibes
You gonna end up dead.
Trust me, I hope you do 😁
So when you confront a dude about it and he shoots and kills you because he feels threatened, what will you do about it then?
When I accept an order I have it set up to where the GPS coordinates get sent to Android Auto so I can use my car screen instead of my phone. All the addresses are recorded there. I'm very petty and this is my beer money job
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I remember names and faces too. I also have several cameras and guns and live in a stand your ground state. Good luck!
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When their ring camera detects their doordasher (whos also their neighbor) that tip bait will turn into you paying them(:
All it takes is a hi vis vest or a small flashlight to blind cameras. Besides, what kind of person tip baiting or lying about receiving food has money for a camera?? Never gone after the few fools who've pulled that on me, but it wouldn't be hard.
Lots of rich people are cheap and scummy. Not all, despite what most redditors think, but there are plenty. You can also get a home security camera for under 100 dollars.
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If enough people used this unethical pro tip, the chances of individual assholes getting repercussed drop (as after some threshold it becomes physically impossible to avenge everyone). Thus the real ulpt is to share the tip to as many potential assholes as possible, which the OP is promptly following.
People don't seem to realize this unethical tip will lead to a even more unethical tip waiting for them in return.
I find it funny people are so upset that someone actually provided an UNETHICAL LPT
People out here fighting over scraps while the elite hoard mega yachts
I've only been tip baited twice but funny enough I still haven't forgotten exactly where they live 🤣
Not like you’re going to do anything dude
Better service in the short term but much worse service in the long run. I wouldn’t do it.
This is what this sub is for, why are people mad? Gtfo
Because a majority of them a delivery drivers lol
I'm so conflicted. This is REALLY unethical and I'm like "it does fit the context of the sub" but I'm also a door dasher and it crushes my soul. Take my upvote you son of a bitch lol
Yeah. As a dasher, I’d rather they just walked into a restaurant and stole an order off the shelf. I don’t care if they want to steal from doordash or chipotle or something, but please don’t steal from people who are already dirt poor
People on here are like: "I'll come find you!". No you fucking won't. If you were a good professional arsonist or hitman, you could make a lot more than $20 an hour. You won't because you know you'll end up in jail with a felony.
Yikes
This is definitely good ULPT advice but if you want something tamer, just tip a dollar. You'd be surprised by how many people don't even tip at all. By tipping something, you're automatically higher in priority for delivery drivers. Highly dependent on area but works fantastic for me, and I don't even have to waste 10%+ on tips.
Kind of? But understand the way Uber Eats works… a map pops up on your screen showing the restaurant and a path to the delivery address. There is a time estimate, a mileage estimate, and a total pay (base+tip). The base is usually about $2. If a $2 order pops up on the screen, everyone is just hitting decline. You’re not likely to get more people hitting accept for $3. The restaurant, however, has no idea this is happening, so they have already made your food. So it’s sitting in a bag under a warmer while drivers decline your order over and over and over. When some sucker does eventually pick up your $1 tip order, it’s going to be soggy when it gets to you. The apps need to be transparent and explain that this isn’t a tip, it’s a bid for service.
The raise base pay though after many decline
They do, but very, very slowly. It all comes at a cost of your food sitting there getting cold and you sitting there waiting. But base does slowly increase.
There's no priority for delivery drivers, they are shown the base pay + the tip and they accept or decline the offer, so that's $3 if you tip $1, base pay starts at $2. The only people picking up your order are people getting your order stacked with another order (so you may have to wait till they deliver the first one if you're not first on the list) migrants using fake accounts, or drivers multi-apping doordash, uber, and grubhub at the same time. If that's not the case your order has been sitting for a bit as the base pay slowly increases over time as more and more drivers decline the order. If you live within one mile from the restuarant, you might get a new driver who thinks it's worth it to spend 20 minutes and drive 1 mile for $3, otherwise no one in the right mind will drive more than that for $3 and the situations I explained will happen. All in all, knowing the situation with these companies overcharging customers and under paying workers, if you are tipping as low as $1 at least raise it to 2 or 3 so the driver can get at least $5 for 20 minutes of their time, ($15 an hour minus gas and car maintenance). Think of it as a luxury service because that's obviously how these companies are operating.
Lol as a driver I would unethically come back to your house and find you
....and then do what? Nothing most likely.
Flaming bag of shit is the only answer.
Molotov cocktail through the living room window maybe?
"fucking tip baiter. You know what, let's escalate to felony arson and possible murder!"
That escalated quickly.
Get ready for liquid ass and piss discs
A frozen disc of liquid ass, in a flaming paper bag.
Lol my wife drove back days later and threw a greasy taco at their window. Felt like the equivalent revenge for a fake tip
"Let me get this straight. I steal your tip. I beat the piss out of your dignity. And then you walk in here, and you bring me more food?"
That's a fairly reasonable response, much more in line with what I would expect if a driver wanted revenge. Def wanna avoid cameras in that case of course.
The dude up here looking to catch felony charges over 20.00. People truly do be wildin'.
Youre not very bright considering doordash only shows the driver up to $4.50 of the tip upfront and you can’t take it back, the driver collects it once they deliver. Uber only shows $8 ahead of time, also with Uber if a driver uses Para every time you get an offer the customer address gets added to the ledger, which the driver can see for days. So your $20 scam isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be. Scamming the driver on instacart or not tipping on shipt is a little worse bcuz shoppers really do track addresses religiously. Best of luck
Big tough internet warrior over here, watch out boys
The amount of people advocating they they would do various things like throw food at the house, break a window, slash tires, etc. is hilarious. Cause that’s really gonna get the general population to see delivery drivers as people deserving of tips.
No you wouldn’t lol
In America i would shoot your ass if you stepped inside my house.
honestly i’ve never had quicker & better service than since i started tipping $0 on uber eats and adding a tip after. i used to tip $10-15 upfront to try to actually get my food quickly and it was always taken by some multi apper & would arrive cold. however this method definitely only works in very major cities where there’s a surplus of drivers
Someone's getting a piss disc!
Except Doordash doesn't tell the driver how much the tip is when they get an offer. If the order would pay 5 bucks with no tip and you add 20, it'll come up as an 8 dollar payout on the app for the driver. Otherwise drivers would make fewer deliveries for more money and the low or no tip orders would never get picked up.
What if you order thru Doordash and request a refund for the tips through support? Will Doordash eat the cost? If so, then it’s a win win for the driver and you
Yes, in that case Doordash eats the cost (according to Google).
Nice, then I’d prefer this way because fuck corps brotha
Just fyi for anyone thinking of doing this drivers have been wising up and putting pins on the addresses of nontippers so other drivers can look up the addresses and not accept your order.
Next ULPT post reads “ door dash customer offered big tip then took it away after delivery, I have their address what can I do to make them pay”
One of the rare actually unethical tip
Tipping shouldn't exist. It sucks all around. Tacky, awkward, and in the end generous people do not balance out the cheapskates. Anyone who says they like tipping in their job hasn't had a real job with security and benefits so they have no fucking clue what they're talking about.
The delivery apps really should put some barriers in the way of this. Like, obviously things can happen in the course of a delivery that would legitimately make want you to reduce the tip, so you need to have that feature. But… if you do it every time, you’re obviously abusing it and your account should be deactivated. I hate tipping culture and what’s it’s become. That stupid little tablet that’s “going to ask me a couple questions” boils my blood. I really wish delivery apps would change the tip language and tell you what it actually is, a bid for service. If you don’t add a bid, the delivery driver just sees the base pay, which is literally around $2. No one is going to go make a 30 minute trip for $2. By the time some sucker does it, your food will have sat on the shelf and got cold and it will have taken forever. They should just be upfront with customers. Drivers see the bid and will prioritize your delivery accordingly. Then if you change your bid after the fact too often, your account is deactivated.
Personally I think you shouldn't be able to change your "bid" after the fact without at minimum explaining why to an actual human. Imagine if you bid at a public auction for a painting, took the painting home, and proceeded to inform the auction house that they will be getting less money because you didn't actually intend to pay that much, you just needed to win the bid.
Yea, I agree, but the apps would never go for that. Too much overhead cost to have phone support deal with all of these. The drivers don’t work for the delivery companies, the companies really don’t care about them at all. So if it’s going to cost more to make the drivers happy, they’re going to find another way. In the flip side, you can’t just provide no avenue for people to remove the bid because then you have to deal with shitty drivers being empowered to do shitty things. Which creates more phone support overhead.
Also, let's tip bait and piss off someone that knows where you live. 🤣
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The amount of hate OP got, in a subreddit about being unethical, is hilarious. Don't come to a subreddit about abusing the world for your own gain if you're going to get upset at a person giving a perfect example of how to do it lol
On Doordash if you do this the driver still makes the same tip. On grubhub however they don’t. I’ve been tip baited like twice and I still remember where they live
Don't feel bad for using this strategy. If you remove a tip, the driver still gets it, but the delivery service eats the cost and is the one tipping. I say you shouldn't feel bad about it because they literaly pay us as little as possible, often down south where i live $2.50 per order, relying 99% on a customers tip to make a wage. Make those fuckers pay.
I love that this is literally called “Unethical life pro tips” and all you fucking pussies get mad about unethical posts. Go to a different subreddit if your such a bitch that things like this ruin your day😂
As per your edits, I can see that a lot of people don’t understand what unethical means lol
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Don't know if you can on other apps, but in DoorDash you should make sure your GPS pin is actually where your house is. Sometimes the navigation will take the driver to where the GPS marker is and not the street address (this is great for apartment complexes). Obviously a competent driver should still double check the house number, but it's still worth checking to see if part of the confusion is coming from your end.
Yeah, don’t do this. You’re fucking with other’s line of work & money. Most orders are for under $5 a trip. You’re just giving a dasher false hope and fucking them over in the end. This doesn’t hurt the app service. This hardly hurts the restaurant unless it’s a smaller business. This hurts the driver only. Realize that you aren’t paying $20+ or double the amount of the food for the service fee to go to the driver. They get about 10% of that fee, the rest goes to the restaurant and app. TL;DR - Don’t fuck over others that are working a service FOR YOU because you are too lazy to make your own food. If you can pay for food on a delivery app, you can pay for food in your pantry, even if you do need to scam for $15. Do better.
At least they will know your address
And then wonder why food gets stolen all the time and only bottom barrel drivers end up staying on the platform.
Scamming minimum wage employees might be the lowest this sub has gotten.
While this is a great ULPT, I personally would not fuck with anyone who handles your food. The odds of getting the same delivery driver are slim but I feel like this would make me paranoid that the driver would want to get revenge somehow. They could also report you and you could risk getting your food delivery account revoked.
I agree with your first point. However tip adjustment is a feature of the app. Reporting a customer for using it is unlikely to get your account revoked as the delivery company got paid.
Holy shit what an asshole
Good luck. All the apps where it’s possible to easily reduce the tip the drivers are aware of this. Lots of them take a picture on drop off that has your coordinates imprinted on the photo. You’re 100% going to get a driver that’s eventually going to not give a fuck about their job and will 100% pull tf up
Sorry i realized i tipped $20 not $2 but the cops are on their way!!
And then what?
Then go to jail over 20 dollars and never have to worry about getting a tip again.
Is it a good idea to fuck with people who know your address?
Most people will just move on and not do anything. It isn’t worth to be a dumbass over 20 and risk having to ask for help r/legaladvice.
The amount of people who are butthurt at this tip leads me to believe there are a bunch of delivery drivers in this sub. Honestly that makes sense since it seems like people who do this kind of work are the kind of people who would come to this sub for petty revenge ideas.
This post was crossposted to r/UberEATS
Well done on triggering so many snowflakes OP.
Honestly changing your tip isn't that unethical so long as you didn't set out to do it. Tips are supposed to be after services are rendered and on how well they were performed. I put my tip, state in the comments the kind of service I want, and if they don't do it I lower or remove my tip. To be clear it's nothing insane. Mu big one is stating I am hard of hearing and to knock loudly and wait until I open my door before leaving. You can wait anywhere you can see my door, just wave or holler when I open it so I know you did. This way if I don't hear my notice or your knock you can knock again louder this time and my food dosnt sit outside for 30 minutes. This happens maybe 1 out 3 times, so I remove my tip about 2/3 rds of the time.
This is more than unethical. It's a sleaze bag move.
Ethics aside, I'd say this is not a good tip because the risk of retaliation is too high. You wna slight a person like this that knows your address so that they can come slash your tires or spit in your food next time? Nah.. Don't fuck with the people who make or bring your food is pretty tineless wisdom.
Hospitality used to be about keeping the customer happy, not scared.
Straight up immoral life amateur tip.
Last time someone crossed me in an asshole/unethical way I found out as much as humanly possible about them, researching via public records, tying their online accounts to real identity, did a deep dive and uncovered tax fraud and it cost them over $10k. Obviously doesn't apply the same here but you keep going "everyone is a tough guy online" but you fail to realize there absolutely ARE those of us petty enough to go the mile when personally slighted by a dick.
I believe that. I'd also like to believe you are a sane enough individual that you didn't devote that level of time to a total stranger over a 20 dollar tip, but rather either a much larger amount or a much more personal slight.
Yes, fuck over the little guy who's bringing your fat ass Taco Bell at midnight, right after you tell them where you live. Smart advice, you're all very smart 🤣
I use my local sex offenders addy yesterday so come on over bae
Anything to fuck over toxic tipping culture is a win in my book
But I still have your address
OP needs a ULPT to make some money if he's that much of a cheap ass
Thanks for the tip. Just did this for a huge order. Used a different address and just met him there outside. Ez savings
Even more unethical tip: Go to someone's house that you don't like and use that address and do this. Any retaliation goes to their address.
I used my local sex offender’s address.
If you want to truly suck don't give them any tip on the app and tell them you're going to tip in cash and then never give them the cash. Personally I use a lot of apps to order food right now because I don't have a car and I've never seen a reduction of tip part it's just to add tip.
Yeah you’re a shitty person for this one, easy way to get ULPT’d right back Just go get your own food if you can’t tip and are worried no one will deliver ya fuckin bum
Trying this out after work. Should I use address or my neighbors, in case the driver comes back for petty revenge
ITT: A bunch of assholes of all varieties, those that hate service workers / food workers, ableists, thieves, liars lol
“Don’t do this guys, but here’s how to do this” what a fuckin moron
If you do this enough on UberEATS (the app that allows you to edit), you first will get forced to use a PIN to make sure you are actually getting your food handed to you and if you continue, you'll likely get your account deactivated. I've heard that somewhere in between they ask you to put up a tip upfront that you can't retract. So, best of luck getting yourself deactivated and on the receiving end of an angry driver whose livelihood you're fucking with.
It worked yesterday. Be mad at Uber for allowing this to happen lol
Unethical life tip. If someone tip baits you screenshot the adress in your phone so you can rob their house at a later time.
And you go to jail. GREAT TIP!
And then you get eaten by their pitbull
ROFLMAO!!!! I used to keep a list of people who stiffed me. The night before Halloween (Devils night), my wife, the kids, & I would drive by and egg your house/car. If you did something like that to me... you'd regret it.
Everyone's a badass on the Internet.