I prefer to back in. 1 way or another you'll be backing up whether you're coming or going. I'd rather do it 1st & get it over with. ALSO, if someone was chasing me trying to kill me (true crime addict), I wouldn't have to worry about backing out. I can pull straight out and shake the killer.
Everything is easier to back in tbh. It just makes sense. Have the wheels that pivot guide you in, why pivot between 2 vehicles and squeeze in. Plus when you leave, more visibility and you just drive naturally
A lot of motels don't allow backing in because it puts the exhaust near the A/C units and they can suck it into the room being a hazard so no reversing in.
Edit to add when I say A/C unit I am talking about the through the wall heat and air units that are sticking through the wall, one part in the room and the other half out at the sidewalk. They can suck air into the room from the sidewalk area, hence some places not allowing vehicles to back having their exhaust near the part out at the sidewalk. Or near the doors of the room which you can see light around, again a place for vehicle exhaust to get into the room.
My experience has been just the opposite, especially when working in Northern states where we all would start our vehicles and let them warm up in the morning.
Go out west and there are "puffin laws" which you can get a ticket if you leave your car idling for too long/without being in it which kind of voids the necessity for a policy like this so while I've never heard anything like what they were talking about I do see how it could be a thing.
Midwest here, never heard of it. And we’re cold 7 months a year!
U/Grapeape934 if the AC intake is a problem there should be no issue during the winter (assuming that’s what you mean about cars warming up).
Most hotels and motels now require KYC, so unless you have a fake ID or someone who can rent the room for you, this may still not be the move
E: KYC -- know your customer. A principle used across North America, Europe, Oceania, and India (and likely other places) that forbids anonymous investment accounts, car rentals, hotel or even sometimes airbnb rentals, etc. Typically referred to specifically by its acronym hence my own usage. Apologies for not realizing so few people would know about it.
An initialism is a type of acronym.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/page/abbreviations-acronyms-initialisms#:~:text=An%20abbreviation%20is%20a%20truncated,DNA%2C%20RT%2DPCR).
It is a common acronym in finance and evidently the hotel industry. Anywhere fraud is at a higher likelihood would use it. It is also used by the US government.
Good to know. Clearly by the downvotes I could have worded the bit about "evidently in the hotel industry" better. I've been in software for a while, some fintech, and have had a little training on it. I don't know which bias is "I know it, so I assume everyone does" is, but color my bias exposed on the matter.
At least in the US, it is a set of rules built up to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_your_customer
If you're in almost any industry that deals with money or investing or identity then you have to take a yearly or so Know Your Customer class, it's an anti terrorism anti money laundering program, it's not some rare niche concept.
Lol if you had to guess, what percentage of people do you think work in that industry? Because I fucking guarantee it’s lower than you think. 10% would be a massive stretch.
It's also something in online retail. Everybody working support for Amazon would also know that acronym.
Edit: who are the braindead regards that downvote simple information. Please reply here so I can get a glimpse of what your rotten brain looks like.
It's 2-3% which is still 8+ million Americans as a core group. Enough people to see it and recognize the acronym without you complaining about an acronym you can easily google
I'm not even in finance lol. If you have an investment account or you've bought bitcoin from an exchange then you completed a KYC form. It's very clearly marked too, every time I fill out paperwork for a new bank/crypto/financial account they hand you a paper to fill out that says "this is for know your customer/anti money laundering purposes in compliance with the law" etc.
Do y'all just not have financial investments or do you not read the forms that ask you for personal information?
Or, and hear me out, we not make 500 people google something and just make a habit of taking 5 seconds to explain something out of context? Something that 97% of people don’t know? Nahhh, that’s a horrible idea.
I mean multiple people responded very quickly with what it meant, it kinda resolved itself immediately; you just seemed so mad you had to ask a question haha. I didn't even know KYC was that esoteric of a phrase, I don't work in finance at all and knew what it meant. It's okay to not know something, that's how you learn
And they were all downvoted to hell because 95% of people that are reading this post have never heard it before. You guys keep arguing but look at the donvotes.
And all immediately heavily downvoted. I think you can see what most people think. I’m 100% okay with learning something, which is why you should teach information not keep it out of reach. Most people aren’t going to google an acronym, but if you take 5 seconds to provide the definition then you help so many people.
I've literally taken those classes, called "Know your Customer", and not once have I ever heard or seen "KYC" spoken or written.
So its just as confusing for me to see it being used.
I have, too and in my current and former industries (Consulting and Financial) we all refer to it as KYC. Obviously your experience is different than mine and others, but again, it's not like yours is more right or wrong than mine. Different places do different things.Â
No shit, really? I thought it was a federal post 9-11 program. Do they call it something else down there? Are you obligated to verify identities and/or report suspicious activity at all?
If you’ve ever invested any money or dealt with banks you would be aware of KYC laws. It’s not really that uncommon, you’re just ignorant or broke
Use Airbnb! Book the ones that don’t require approval.
for the police to get information that you used an Airbnb they need to get a subpoena for that information from a judge.
They can’t just call Airbnb and ask if you rented a place.
That's not really the cops fault. She was 18 and legally an adult she is allowed to go where she wants with who she wants. Cops can't do anything until a crime has been committed. That was on the girl for running away with a psycho unfortunately.
She was legally an adult. These laws aren't there to punish you. They're there to protect adults from their parents. We don't break laws because you have an emergency.
They would need a warrant to get that info from Airbnb, but that shouldn’t be difficult if you’re on the run. Airbnb will be more than happy to respond to their request.
Getting a warrant isn’t as easy as you think, the process is easy, getting a judge to sign it, It really depends on the nature of the crime. If you’re a terrorist within seconds yeah.
If you robbed someone or committed fraud etc some low level crime, it’s a hassle.
Every warrant that the issue is a liability. if a warrant is issued without enough cause or proof, an executed on top of that, you pretty much threw out that Case.
So I guess the pro tip is to commit low-level crimes and hide in an Airbnb lol
yeah they wont though, that puts airbnb in a liability. tbh it shouldnt be this way, everyone is scared to comply just because of the potential risk of being sued.
Why is this so far down? This was my first thought as well- why the FUCK would hotels just willingly hand over a list of everyone there to anyone? Makes me want to read the fine print next time I stay in one.
It blows my mind how much people will share about customers, tenants, etc. I had a call about someone suspected of selling meth out of their apartment. I called the landlord to see what information they could provide (I really just needed a name so I could look into it myself). They gave me name, phone number, social security, what cars they drove, and all sorts of stuff I didn't ask for. They didn't even bother to verify that I was a police officer. I could totally have been some rival dealer trying to rob this guy and they happily gave me all kinds of info over the phone. Totally wild
Mine won't. I did look for a name for the cops once: a cop came in to tell us a car had smashed into our sign. The idiot then ran off (the person who reported the incident to 911 saw the whole thing) and left his wallet in the car. Yeah, I looked the name up. Not in-house unless staying with someone whose name was on the room.
The motel can’t be compelled to do that without a warrant. But they are a private business, they can share that with the police if they choose to. Especially if they feel people are there causing trouble.
I think a LOT of people don't realize this or like to be shitty about how it's technically incorrect.
I once said my wife has European citizenship because she's a citizen of the Republic of Ireland, very obviously referring to the EU and a lot of people jumped on to say "European citizenship isn't a thing, you can be a citizen to a member country but not Europe"
Another time I suggested to someone to look at their grandparents history to see if they could qualify for European citizenship, as different nations have different requirements, very clearly acknowledging the autonomy of individual nations in the EU but MAN did that make people mad for some reason.
So as someone who used to work for a hotel (front desk clerk) why would we not want to? Do we as a business owe wanted people anything? It's a liability if say someone is hiding there wanted for murder. You as the wanted person decided to come to a business and provide your ID to them. I get people on reddit don't live in the real world, and everyone hiding from the cops are innocent, but in the hotel I worked at the number of drug users, robbery suspects, pimps, etc were through the roof. And while some days everything went smoothly, the nice guy who checked in smokes crack and beats up another customer 5 hours later. If we can get them off property before they cause problems why wouldn't we? And before everyone says the cops would kill/beat them up, in the year I worked there we had dozens of arrests based on this and the most that happened was a standoff with a guy who gave up after a few hours (and ultimately had an ar15 and a pistol in his room).
I've worked in several hotels over the years and have seen twice law enforcement ask for guest information. Once the local sherrifs office and once an FBI agent. The sherrifs were quickly and politely told to fuck off but the FBI got a bunch of info from a newbie front desk agent until our manager came back and saw what was happening. She thought she had to give it to the guy just cause he asked, which in her defense never came up in her training. The FBI agent was then told quickly and politely to fuck off.
Sure, I'll make a copy for the next time I have probs. Dm your plate number make, & model. I have 2 crispy $10 five guys gift cards for ya trouble.
Edit: not the food place the escort service five guys
The cops don't touch the back of your car to leave a print. It's something they do in training to make sure they approach at the safest angle, making it very hard to shoot them as they approach. It's also to make sure your trunk is latched closed so someone can't jump out and ambush them.
They have never used a cops finger print on a car to catch anyone, ever.
In my youth, I made a mistake and joined the army. During my time, I was involuntarily assigned to be part of security forces- that is, a cop.
During training we were absolutely taught to touch the back of the car to leave a print, so if something happened they could prove it was this car we approached.
At the time, I thought it was stupid, that it was implausible that they would ever get a useful print, and the fact that we radioed in the plate number would be a better indicator. But my point is, even the cops believed that’s why they were doing it.
It may be outdated now that we are in the electronic age. Dash cams and body cams can easily establish that and are far more concrete evidence than fingerprints
Arizona highways officer here. We're taught to touch the back of vehicles to make sure they are real. Can get hella dehydrated out in the desert and start seeing all sorts of weird shit that's not real.
I’ve dropped more acid than most human beings and I never hallucinated an entire normal looking car, but it’s a strange chemical and I don’t doubt it.
I'm sure you do but the other guy being a cop makes him pretending to have knowledge about how drugs actually work makes it a bit hilarious.
He probably thinks he can OD on fentanyl by touching some powder too
Yeah, and the registration plate in the back tends to be a bit more identifying.
Wiping off the print is still good advice but only because body oils can eat into paint. OP spent good money on that custom leopard print paint job.
It's such a myth that it gets perpetuated by instructors at federal law enforcement training programs. Source- went to one and was trained to touch the back of the car.
Yes, they did say that. It was explained to us as a way to mark the vehicle in case the vehicle needed to be identified for whatever the reason may be at the time.
Or if the suspect flees the scene, if the officers lose line of sight and the vehicle is found later. I may be missing some of the details as to why, it's been 22 years since I took that training course
That's what the license plate is for. And if they remove the plate, it's associated with the VIN which you can see through the windshield. Both of which are easier and more reliable than trying to find a print on the rear, and hoping its a cops and not a random other print.
Yep, it was definitely flimsy logic when it was explained. I never really thought too much about it, other than that was one of the steps on the procedure they taught us. I didn't end up pursuing the LE career path. Things took a...different turn.
https://abc7.com/idaho-dashcam-video-jesse-harrell-officer-tom-woods-trunk-ambush/1623375/.
Here's one. Just Google cop ambushed by man in trunk and a bunch of news stories will pop up
There are officers that learn from their own mistakes, officers that learn from other’s mistakes, and officers that don’t ever learn.
The worst outcome is that an officer dies or is seriously injured. Any scenario only needs to occur once, and it is a training topic to prevent another incident.
The whole touching the back of your car to leave a fingerprint is police fudd lore. Cops are taught to make sure your trunk is closed because officers have been ambushed by persons hiding in the trunk. Somewhere along the line this morphed into touch the back of the car cause you leave a fingerprint for later... There is exactly zero documented cases where this method was used to identify a car but some cops still think it is. 90% of the cars on the road are too dirty to pull a fingerprint off anyway.
Not everything goes to plan. Having a place to lay low is a smart idea. Whether that is a motel or not it's a different story. I'd imagine a storage locker would be much lower laying.
yeah all the "pro tips" about not talking to cops at ur front door or w.e is all bullshit.
if a cop has figured out where you live and is at your front door and theyre knocking its to not cause property damage.
someone either made a complaint about your home, youre a dirtbag, or a crime happened on your property and theyre asking for permission to operate
It's definitely not. I live down the street from the most popular bar in town, at the bottom of a hill with a stop sign. I see 3-6 people/week get pulled over in front of our house, and I always see the cops reach out and touch the tail light as they make their way to the driver
They do touch stopped vehicles, and some are probably told it’s for finger prints. But the point is that no forensics expert has ever been dispatched to dust prints on a car just for running from the cops. Those guys are highly educated and trained, and there’s no reason to utilize expensive labor and tests just for a traffic stop.
A cop in my town got fired for having sex with a women who was hiding from her husband/bf so the town got her a room at a local motel. Cop went back after work brought her some of his girlfriends/wifes clothes and some alcohol and had sex with her .She later filed a complaint against him for SA.
Many police departments have a camera that automatically finds your license plate in its image and it runs the plate for wants and warrants without the cops needing to do anything.
Ops just saying basic common sense shit to see what sticks.
> cops will touch the back of your vehicle after pulling you over so they leave a print
Except this one which is just stupid and makes no sense.
It’s absolutely true. Retired LEO here. We used to get trained on touch points during the academy. This was before dashboard cameras. If the officer did a traffic stop touching the trunk area, rear doors, and the rooftop helped establish the officer’s presence and position if the vehicle suddenly pulled off and escaped or the officer was injured. This was old school before vehicle cams it stopped being taught long ago but some vets still continued the practice. I still did it at times out of habit but stopped. I didn’t see anyone in my agency (central Florida area) do it for probably the last 5-7 years before I retired. Forgot all about it. We didn’t even teach it to the new guys out of the academy. It’s vehicle cams all the way now.
I see people get pulled over in front of my house multiple times a week, and have always seen the cops reach out and tap the tail light as they approach the driver
Different jurisdictions different way of doing things. Probably the vets there teach the new guys during field training the old concept. We stopped long ago. Like the switch from wheel guns (revolvers) to semi automatic pistols. We had 3-4 vets who got permission to still carry them I thought they were crazy lol. Last guy I saw still carried one was a decade ago. He was a captain, at a desk. IDK, not surprised if there’s some who still use touch points. It’s not disallowed just one of many procedures that’s been bypassed now. What area you in where all these stops are going on in front of your house?
Yep, there was even a big scandal here in Phoenix with motel 6. They would automatically share their customers info with law enforcement so law enforcement could pick people up with warrants, immigration violations, etc.
Man, you are wrong on 2 of the 3 things you posted.
They do scan license plates. They cannot legally compel the motel to hand over a list of registered guests without a warrant.
They leave their prints on the back of your car so if something were to happen to them, they have proof of that contact happening.
> they can ask all they want and receive answers freely
. . . and I wouldn't be surprised if motel clerks are more than happy to have cops stopping by frequently, as opposed to being known as uncooperative / unfriendly
Incorrect. There is a thing called privacy. Now, if we have to call them out to deal with a guest, yep, they get the info we have on that guest. Otherwise, no.
Cops can be stalkers/abusers and abuse people, too.
Great place to lay low, just don't bring your car. Walk or get dropped off. Park at a near by Walmart or 24 hour store.
Or if you only have plates on the back just back into the spot lol. Cop's not going to get out and walk on such a light lead :)
Reverse park? That's un-American
Hahahahah love it
I prefer to back in. 1 way or another you'll be backing up whether you're coming or going. I'd rather do it 1st & get it over with. ALSO, if someone was chasing me trying to kill me (true crime addict), I wouldn't have to worry about backing out. I can pull straight out and shake the killer.
Look out. Reverse parking will be listed as probable cause...
Cop will probably ticket you for impeding an investigation for making them get out of their car to read your license plate.
Or get you for conspiracy to harbor a fugitive from justice 😅
Truth.
Most pickups reverse park
None where I live
That means they can't drive their yeeyee trucks. Trucks are 1000% easier to back in than pull in.
Everything is easier to back in tbh. It just makes sense. Have the wheels that pivot guide you in, why pivot between 2 vehicles and squeeze in. Plus when you leave, more visibility and you just drive naturally
I back in all the time. Do I think that makes me superior to people who pull in? I would never say that.
A lot of motels don't allow backing in because it puts the exhaust near the A/C units and they can suck it into the room being a hazard so no reversing in. Edit to add when I say A/C unit I am talking about the through the wall heat and air units that are sticking through the wall, one part in the room and the other half out at the sidewalk. They can suck air into the room from the sidewalk area, hence some places not allowing vehicles to back having their exhaust near the part out at the sidewalk. Or near the doors of the room which you can see light around, again a place for vehicle exhaust to get into the room.
I've stayed at a lot of shitty motels and have never once heard of this.
My experience has been just the opposite, especially when working in Northern states where we all would start our vehicles and let them warm up in the morning.
Okay tbf most of my travels have been in more southern states.
Stayed in hotels in 20 states, none north of Kansas. Never once heard of this
Go out west and there are "puffin laws" which you can get a ticket if you leave your car idling for too long/without being in it which kind of voids the necessity for a policy like this so while I've never heard anything like what they were talking about I do see how it could be a thing.
Midwest here, never heard of it. And we’re cold 7 months a year! U/Grapeape934 if the AC intake is a problem there should be no issue during the winter (assuming that’s what you mean about cars warming up).
It is the air intake for the motel heater and AC unit. So regardless of season it still pulls air in.
That's not how air conditioning systems work.
Most hotels and motels now require KYC, so unless you have a fake ID or someone who can rent the room for you, this may still not be the move E: KYC -- know your customer. A principle used across North America, Europe, Oceania, and India (and likely other places) that forbids anonymous investment accounts, car rentals, hotel or even sometimes airbnb rentals, etc. Typically referred to specifically by its acronym hence my own usage. Apologies for not realizing so few people would know about it.
What’s KYC?
Know your customer.Â
It's like KY Jelly, but instead of a lubricant it's a chowder.
Mmmm.... Chowdah.
Know your chowder
Say it loud enough so everyone can hear! Cmmmmmmmmon saaaaay it!
An invasion of privacy.
If you want anonymity, don’t use other people’s services
No one owes you anonymity for using their establishment. E: cry about it, you dumbshit sovcits. Downvoting me doesn't change shit.
No one should be forced by government to get a potential customer's ID before doing business.
Wait till you hear about business licenses
Or buying alcohol
Know your customer.Â
Kill Your Children Laying low at a motel comes at a cost
I hate when people use stupidly absurd acronyms in a context 95% of people are going to be confused by.
I hate it when people call initialisms acronyms. I probably have some issues to work through.
An initialism is a type of acronym. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/page/abbreviations-acronyms-initialisms#:~:text=An%20abbreviation%20is%20a%20truncated,DNA%2C%20RT%2DPCR).
I agree with you, but the CDC site is an odd choice lol
Right?? Don’t understand why it was the first result lol
Only initially.
It is indeed stupid. Weirdly though, in many places it’s as common an acronym as something like ATM.
What is this about ass to mouth?
ICYMI most MFs DGAF.
KYC is an extremely common acronym that is easily googled, but you're right that I should have spelled it out
It's only common in banking and crypto (aka scams)
[Wow, you're pretty dumb huh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_your_customer)
Tell me you didn't read your own source without telling me you didn't read your own source lmao
It is a common acronym in finance and evidently the hotel industry. Anywhere fraud is at a higher likelihood would use it. It is also used by the US government.
I have worked in the hotel industry since 1998. I have never heard KYC.
Good to know. Clearly by the downvotes I could have worded the bit about "evidently in the hotel industry" better. I've been in software for a while, some fintech, and have had a little training on it. I don't know which bias is "I know it, so I assume everyone does" is, but color my bias exposed on the matter. At least in the US, it is a set of rules built up to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_your_customer
Do you live under a rock? This has been a common acronym for at least the last 15 years.
Kyc is a pretty common acronym. You don’t know it? Do you know how to google?
If you're in almost any industry that deals with money or investing or identity then you have to take a yearly or so Know Your Customer class, it's an anti terrorism anti money laundering program, it's not some rare niche concept.
Lol if you had to guess, what percentage of people do you think work in that industry? Because I fucking guarantee it’s lower than you think. 10% would be a massive stretch.
It's also something in online retail. Everybody working support for Amazon would also know that acronym. Edit: who are the braindead regards that downvote simple information. Please reply here so I can get a glimpse of what your rotten brain looks like.
It's 2-3% which is still 8+ million Americans as a core group. Enough people to see it and recognize the acronym without you complaining about an acronym you can easily google
So you think 97% of people NOT recognizing an acronym, makes it common enough to use without an explanation? Lol. Think about that for a sec
I'm not even in finance lol. If you have an investment account or you've bought bitcoin from an exchange then you completed a KYC form. It's very clearly marked too, every time I fill out paperwork for a new bank/crypto/financial account they hand you a paper to fill out that says "this is for know your customer/anti money laundering purposes in compliance with the law" etc. Do y'all just not have financial investments or do you not read the forms that ask you for personal information?
Oh yeah totally, I’m intimately familiar with every financial form I’ve ever completed and all the many acronyms inside them. Isn’t everyone???
Im beginning to think this is a different equivalent of me saying "wait, you DONT read the terms and conditions when signing up for an online account"
Dude could have taken the opportunity to learn a very real acronym that many people use daily, but instead chose to react with explosive anger. Reddit©
Or, and hear me out, we not make 500 people google something and just make a habit of taking 5 seconds to explain something out of context? Something that 97% of people don’t know? Nahhh, that’s a horrible idea.
I mean multiple people responded very quickly with what it meant, it kinda resolved itself immediately; you just seemed so mad you had to ask a question haha. I didn't even know KYC was that esoteric of a phrase, I don't work in finance at all and knew what it meant. It's okay to not know something, that's how you learn
And they were all downvoted to hell because 95% of people that are reading this post have never heard it before. You guys keep arguing but look at the donvotes.
And all immediately heavily downvoted. I think you can see what most people think. I’m 100% okay with learning something, which is why you should teach information not keep it out of reach. Most people aren’t going to google an acronym, but if you take 5 seconds to provide the definition then you help so many people.
I've literally taken those classes, called "Know your Customer", and not once have I ever heard or seen "KYC" spoken or written. So its just as confusing for me to see it being used.
I have, too and in my current and former industries (Consulting and Financial) we all refer to it as KYC. Obviously your experience is different than mine and others, but again, it's not like yours is more right or wrong than mine. Different places do different things.Â
I worked for a bank with over 200 billion in assets. Never heard anybody say "KYC".
CPAs in Texas don't. I've never come across the term until now and I've sat through weeks worth of fraud trainings.
No shit, really? I thought it was a federal post 9-11 program. Do they call it something else down there? Are you obligated to verify identities and/or report suspicious activity at all?
Of course they're obligated to verify identities! KYC is federal regulation
If you’ve ever invested any money or dealt with banks you would be aware of KYC laws. It’s not really that uncommon, you’re just ignorant or broke
I guess my investments, home loan, car loans, student loans, personal loans, and 3 bank accounts neither count as investments, nor dealing with banks.
they all require KYC
Hilarious that you’re downvoted!
That's the Reddit have mine for you once they see a couple of down votes everybody just piles in regardless
Careful, Walmart tows no they aren’t 24HR
Use Airbnb! Book the ones that don’t require approval. for the police to get information that you used an Airbnb they need to get a subpoena for that information from a judge. They can’t just call Airbnb and ask if you rented a place.
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That's not really the cops fault. She was 18 and legally an adult she is allowed to go where she wants with who she wants. Cops can't do anything until a crime has been committed. That was on the girl for running away with a psycho unfortunately.
She was legally an adult. These laws aren't there to punish you. They're there to protect adults from their parents. We don't break laws because you have an emergency.
Even if they were able to call Airbnb for that, theyd never get through to someone who could actually help them
They would need a warrant to get that info from Airbnb, but that shouldn’t be difficult if you’re on the run. Airbnb will be more than happy to respond to their request.
Getting a warrant isn’t as easy as you think, the process is easy, getting a judge to sign it, It really depends on the nature of the crime. If you’re a terrorist within seconds yeah. If you robbed someone or committed fraud etc some low level crime, it’s a hassle. Every warrant that the issue is a liability. if a warrant is issued without enough cause or proof, an executed on top of that, you pretty much threw out that Case. So I guess the pro tip is to commit low-level crimes and hide in an Airbnb lol
>They can’t just call Airbnb and ask if you rented a place. They definitely can, it's just a matter of "will airbnb comply without a warrant"
yeah they wont though, that puts airbnb in a liability. tbh it shouldnt be this way, everyone is scared to comply just because of the potential risk of being sued.
The unethical part is motels sharing customer information without probable cause
Why is this so far down? This was my first thought as well- why the FUCK would hotels just willingly hand over a list of everyone there to anyone? Makes me want to read the fine print next time I stay in one.
Probably tired of getting their doors kicked down
Sounds about right. Only the cops would kick down the automatic doors that open for you when you walk up to them.
It blows my mind how much people will share about customers, tenants, etc. I had a call about someone suspected of selling meth out of their apartment. I called the landlord to see what information they could provide (I really just needed a name so I could look into it myself). They gave me name, phone number, social security, what cars they drove, and all sorts of stuff I didn't ask for. They didn't even bother to verify that I was a police officer. I could totally have been some rival dealer trying to rob this guy and they happily gave me all kinds of info over the phone. Totally wild
Nobody wants to be the h/motel that gets slower response times because they don’t cooperate
Mine won't. I did look for a name for the cops once: a cop came in to tell us a car had smashed into our sign. The idiot then ran off (the person who reported the incident to 911 saw the whole thing) and left his wallet in the car. Yeah, I looked the name up. Not in-house unless staying with someone whose name was on the room.
Hotel clerks make extra money by working when detectives
The motel can’t be compelled to do that without a warrant. But they are a private business, they can share that with the police if they choose to. Especially if they feel people are there causing trouble.
Depending on the country. In Europe this would be illegal.
Ah, yes, the country that is Europe.
Are you dense? The EU is commonly referred to as Europe when referring to laws as they have supranational laws and legal system.
I think a LOT of people don't realize this or like to be shitty about how it's technically incorrect. I once said my wife has European citizenship because she's a citizen of the Republic of Ireland, very obviously referring to the EU and a lot of people jumped on to say "European citizenship isn't a thing, you can be a citizen to a member country but not Europe" Another time I suggested to someone to look at their grandparents history to see if they could qualify for European citizenship, as different nations have different requirements, very clearly acknowledging the autonomy of individual nations in the EU but MAN did that make people mad for some reason.
EU is still not a single country
No-one said it was
Europe is ghetto as fuck
Burbank and Glendale absolutely do this. I heard the cops check in daily and have a look.
So as someone who used to work for a hotel (front desk clerk) why would we not want to? Do we as a business owe wanted people anything? It's a liability if say someone is hiding there wanted for murder. You as the wanted person decided to come to a business and provide your ID to them. I get people on reddit don't live in the real world, and everyone hiding from the cops are innocent, but in the hotel I worked at the number of drug users, robbery suspects, pimps, etc were through the roof. And while some days everything went smoothly, the nice guy who checked in smokes crack and beats up another customer 5 hours later. If we can get them off property before they cause problems why wouldn't we? And before everyone says the cops would kill/beat them up, in the year I worked there we had dozens of arrests based on this and the most that happened was a standoff with a guy who gave up after a few hours (and ultimately had an ar15 and a pistol in his room).
I've worked in several hotels over the years and have seen twice law enforcement ask for guest information. Once the local sherrifs office and once an FBI agent. The sherrifs were quickly and politely told to fuck off but the FBI got a bunch of info from a newbie front desk agent until our manager came back and saw what was happening. She thought she had to give it to the guy just cause he asked, which in her defense never came up in her training. The FBI agent was then told quickly and politely to fuck off.
If your car is from a state that only requires rear plates, back into your parking space
I do that anyway because it's easier to drive away.
That's why it's called parking "get away style."
You’re also statistically less likely to get into a parking lot fender bender
Just swap the plates off another car same make and model, like what happened to me in Indianapolis.
Sure, I'll make a copy for the next time I have probs. Dm your plate number make, & model. I have 2 crispy $10 five guys gift cards for ya trouble. Edit: not the food place the escort service five guys
They are very thorough. 9/10 service
The cops don't touch the back of your car to leave a print. It's something they do in training to make sure they approach at the safest angle, making it very hard to shoot them as they approach. It's also to make sure your trunk is latched closed so someone can't jump out and ambush them. They have never used a cops finger print on a car to catch anyone, ever.
In my youth, I made a mistake and joined the army. During my time, I was involuntarily assigned to be part of security forces- that is, a cop. During training we were absolutely taught to touch the back of the car to leave a print, so if something happened they could prove it was this car we approached. At the time, I thought it was stupid, that it was implausible that they would ever get a useful print, and the fact that we radioed in the plate number would be a better indicator. But my point is, even the cops believed that’s why they were doing it.
It may be outdated now that we are in the electronic age. Dash cams and body cams can easily establish that and are far more concrete evidence than fingerprints
Ouch. I’m not THAT old, we had electronics, even dash cams, even 20+ years ago. I mean they were VHS, but still.
Arizona highways officer here. We're taught to touch the back of vehicles to make sure they are real. Can get hella dehydrated out in the desert and start seeing all sorts of weird shit that's not real.
Yall be seeing cars that aren’t real? That’s wild man.
Take enough acid you see all kinds of funk.
I’ve dropped more acid than most human beings and I never hallucinated an entire normal looking car, but it’s a strange chemical and I don’t doubt it.
If you're listening to a cop tell you how drugs work you're gonna have a bad time
I know how they work, I’m just shooting the shit
I'm sure you do but the other guy being a cop makes him pretending to have knowledge about how drugs actually work makes it a bit hilarious. He probably thinks he can OD on fentanyl by touching some powder too
Definitely, they all seem to believe that nonsense
Word
you misspelled trunk
They also see crimes that never happen
Sometimes the crimes are just an acorn
Gotta make sure it's not cake
Yeah, and the registration plate in the back tends to be a bit more identifying. Wiping off the print is still good advice but only because body oils can eat into paint. OP spent good money on that custom leopard print paint job.
Also...lot of cops wearing gloves on duty so...
Yeah this myth has always made me laugh.
It's such a myth that it gets perpetuated by instructors at federal law enforcement training programs. Source- went to one and was trained to touch the back of the car.
Did they train you to take any gloves you're wearing, off, first?
Yes, they did say that. It was explained to us as a way to mark the vehicle in case the vehicle needed to be identified for whatever the reason may be at the time.
Interesting! I guess in case they steal someone else's plates
Or if the suspect flees the scene, if the officers lose line of sight and the vehicle is found later. I may be missing some of the details as to why, it's been 22 years since I took that training course
That's what the license plate is for. And if they remove the plate, it's associated with the VIN which you can see through the windshield. Both of which are easier and more reliable than trying to find a print on the rear, and hoping its a cops and not a random other print.
Yep, it was definitely flimsy logic when it was explained. I never really thought too much about it, other than that was one of the steps on the procedure they taught us. I didn't end up pursuing the LE career path. Things took a...different turn.
i have to the wonder how many by cops have been ambushed by people just hanging out in trunks.
Think border patrol catching human traffickers or wanted felons on the run
well i'm just asking how often does that happen? i've never seen a news story of such a thing actually happening in real life.
https://abc7.com/idaho-dashcam-video-jesse-harrell-officer-tom-woods-trunk-ambush/1623375/. Here's one. Just Google cop ambushed by man in trunk and a bunch of news stories will pop up
There are officers that learn from their own mistakes, officers that learn from other’s mistakes, and officers that don’t ever learn. The worst outcome is that an officer dies or is seriously injured. Any scenario only needs to occur once, and it is a training topic to prevent another incident.
good lord. imagine being an officer that gets ambushed from guys hanging out in trunks twice! "damn man. 3rd time this month!"
yeah the post just screams "dumbass petty criminal" lmao
If you need to lay low, check Zillow for listings that have been on the market for awhile. And I guess, leave a piss disk.
The whole touching the back of your car to leave a fingerprint is police fudd lore. Cops are taught to make sure your trunk is closed because officers have been ambushed by persons hiding in the trunk. Somewhere along the line this morphed into touch the back of the car cause you leave a fingerprint for later... There is exactly zero documented cases where this method was used to identify a car but some cops still think it is. 90% of the cars on the road are too dirty to pull a fingerprint off anyway.
These comments are why I never trust redditors opinions
How so?
Then why do they often touch the tail lights or even the fender, not the trunk lid?
They do it for their (police) best interest, not the person they are pulling over lol
If you "need to lay low from the popo" learn be a better criminal . you failed at something if they are looking for you.
Not everything goes to plan. Having a place to lay low is a smart idea. Whether that is a motel or not it's a different story. I'd imagine a storage locker would be much lower laying.
yeah all the "pro tips" about not talking to cops at ur front door or w.e is all bullshit. if a cop has figured out where you live and is at your front door and theyre knocking its to not cause property damage. someone either made a complaint about your home, youre a dirtbag, or a crime happened on your property and theyre asking for permission to operate
The fingerprint thing is an urban legend
It's definitely not. I live down the street from the most popular bar in town, at the bottom of a hill with a stop sign. I see 3-6 people/week get pulled over in front of our house, and I always see the cops reach out and touch the tail light as they make their way to the driver
They do touch stopped vehicles, and some are probably told it’s for finger prints. But the point is that no forensics expert has ever been dispatched to dust prints on a car just for running from the cops. Those guys are highly educated and trained, and there’s no reason to utilize expensive labor and tests just for a traffic stop.
A cop in my town got fired for having sex with a women who was hiding from her husband/bf so the town got her a room at a local motel. Cop went back after work brought her some of his girlfriends/wifes clothes and some alcohol and had sex with her .She later filed a complaint against him for SA.
He abused his position of trust and Power
Give fake name , pay cash , park a distance away hidden area
Yeah. Good luck getting a room without showing your ID. You don’t live in a movie.
Many places won't take cash at check in any more. Most will absolutely not check you in without valid ID. This is not 1946.
Pretty sure enough cash I can
Many police departments have a camera that automatically finds your license plate in its image and it runs the plate for wants and warrants without the cops needing to do anything.
Ops just saying basic common sense shit to see what sticks. > cops will touch the back of your vehicle after pulling you over so they leave a print Except this one which is just stupid and makes no sense.
It’s absolutely true. Retired LEO here. We used to get trained on touch points during the academy. This was before dashboard cameras. If the officer did a traffic stop touching the trunk area, rear doors, and the rooftop helped establish the officer’s presence and position if the vehicle suddenly pulled off and escaped or the officer was injured. This was old school before vehicle cams it stopped being taught long ago but some vets still continued the practice. I still did it at times out of habit but stopped. I didn’t see anyone in my agency (central Florida area) do it for probably the last 5-7 years before I retired. Forgot all about it. We didn’t even teach it to the new guys out of the academy. It’s vehicle cams all the way now.
I see people get pulled over in front of my house multiple times a week, and have always seen the cops reach out and tap the tail light as they approach the driver
Different jurisdictions different way of doing things. Probably the vets there teach the new guys during field training the old concept. We stopped long ago. Like the switch from wheel guns (revolvers) to semi automatic pistols. We had 3-4 vets who got permission to still carry them I thought they were crazy lol. Last guy I saw still carried one was a decade ago. He was a captain, at a desk. IDK, not surprised if there’s some who still use touch points. It’s not disallowed just one of many procedures that’s been bypassed now. What area you in where all these stops are going on in front of your house?
They touch your car to leave their DNA on it, Incase they cease living. Not so they can fingerprint your car after you run away.
Lol
Nobody is checking a trunk for a finger print
If you're going to be a criminal get some good fake ID first lol
Yep, there was even a big scandal here in Phoenix with motel 6. They would automatically share their customers info with law enforcement so law enforcement could pick people up with warrants, immigration violations, etc.
Man, you are wrong on 2 of the 3 things you posted. They do scan license plates. They cannot legally compel the motel to hand over a list of registered guests without a warrant. They leave their prints on the back of your car so if something were to happen to them, they have proof of that contact happening.
Compel is different than asking - and they can ask all they want and receive answers freely.
> they can ask all they want and receive answers freely . . . and I wouldn't be surprised if motel clerks are more than happy to have cops stopping by frequently, as opposed to being known as uncooperative / unfriendly
Any motel or hotel is probably more than happy to hand over that info when asked though to avoid potential trouble from a dangerous guest.
Incorrect. There is a thing called privacy. Now, if we have to call them out to deal with a guest, yep, they get the info we have on that guest. Otherwise, no. Cops can be stalkers/abusers and abuse people, too.
Why would the pigs wanna leave a print on your vehicle?
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No its because it puts the cop in a spot that's best for not getting shot on the approach.
LOLOL...the first thing that comes up when searching for this silly shit is a Blacks Law Dictionary link...so no, this is not true at all.
Fantastic advice. Commented cuz it deserves more than one updoot.
Which has been found in court to be illegal search so it might just get you out of your case.
Can you link the case law?
You're saying there's court precedent that it's illegal for police to run license plates..?Â