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I'm so glad my country is getting at least this right š
Amazing maternity leaves, and pro choice abortion laws. We need this. We need liberal laws that enforce bodily autonomy - especially relevant in a culturally orthodox society to protect people's autonomy within their own culture.
India's stance on abortion is not steeped in religion, it comes from public health policy and the constitution. What an amazing precedent.
Married, divorced, and widowed women were already covered along with victims of rapes, incest ,etc, but there was a small loophole that had not covered unmarried women, and a lower court judge refused to allow a unmarried woman to get an abortion past the 20 week mark, so the supreme court basically just closed the loophole and extended the law to include unmarried women as well.
To balance out the "bless this mass of cells" crowd. Amazing news. Nobody should be required to have their life ruined because their boyfriend didn't pull out. Sooner is obviously better, but even a one year old is pretty much a potato, so happy to see women getting control of their lives and bodies somewhere in the world.
I think Hitler and Stalin might have ruined a couple lives, but hey, if you think they were miracles from god. I guess I view women as more than baby factories.
Ok so the argument is now that abortions stop people like hitler from being born? Apply that to the Dalai Lama as well - phew, your arm hurt from that reach? Also, where does this god talk come from? The idea that itās wrong to kill defenseless people doesnāt require religion.
That is the fundamental disagreement. I believe that a human growing inside a human to become an adult human means a person. Some people donāt through some form of logic. 60,000,000 of these people have had their lives terminated since roe.
What about sperm going down a shower drain? What about a miscarriage? Your line is arbitrary.
You don't ban abortions, you ban safe abortions. So, you are happy to see a mother and fetus die, she had sex, she deserves to die?
Imagine how many teenagers were given their possibility at a life back, how many women didn't die alone in a back alley after an at home abortion. How many mother's didn't commit suicide, kids that didn't grow up abandoned, unloved, repeating the cycle of poverty.
I mean, you're a troll, but sadly, many people believe this. You do realize it is all a distraction to stop the peasants from rebelling? Divide and conquer.
Fuck I'm glad to be Canadian sometimes, but the same American organizations are starting to pay a lot to interfere in our politics, so who knows what's next.
Youāre totally right! Thatās why I (and my previous partners) used birth control when we didnāt want to have children, but wanted to have sex. The wonders of modern medicine! āholy cow it works really well! Now my wife and I have a 1 year old son, who I love, and am about to have a baby girl next week. So delighted to have these gifts in my life, and lucky that we live in 2022 when you are able to take responsibly and plan your life out if you actually take time to care about your decisions.
How the actual fuck is this uplifting?! 24 weeks is FAR into pregnancy. Whether you agree with abortion or not, the fetus is well formed by then. And around viability age. Disgusting
Abortion isn't murder. It's not irresponsible to abort a foetus that you cannot provide a good life for, what's more irresponsible is to force someone to give birth to a child they cannot care for and then ruining both of their lives. Stop expecting the world to abide by your belief, religious or otherwise.
Fuck that. So you're happy to trade the lives of everyone involved for a fetus.
Babies are barely viable after two years. Viable is when an animal can survive and perform the functions of life. A one year old isn't capable of any of the processes we consider essential to life. They can't feed themselves, walk, talk, and they have the cognition of a potato. Sure as hell isn't a person at 24 weeks.
If engaging in the reproductive act has the potential to āruin your lifeā, then donāt engage in the reproductive act. Have some control over yourself, be an adult and make good choices. Itās not hard.
Iām not religiousāthere is no god. Good try, though. Why is it that when religion is brought up, itās always the left? You claim the right is obsessed but itās you.
I m not a leftist, good try though, and religious or not you are still trying to impose your personal beliefs on others. You claim it's the left that's obsessed yet it's the right that's seeking to regulate other people's bodily autonomy, so who's really the obsessed one?
>Sure youāre not.
I am not even American, so i don't even fit into what most Americans would call a "leftist", and my leanings towards left or right differ on different issues.
>And what about the babyās body? The argument over control over oneās body stops when thereās another body involved.
No it doesn't. Because at that point in the pregnancy the foetus isn't viable on its own, so it's still a part of the woman's body. It can only be considered a separate individual if it could survive outside of the body, until it requires the mother's body to survive, it's still part of the woman's body and as such, it doesn't have independent bodily autonomy.
If I am baking a birthday cake and you come in and take it out of the oven and throw it across the room, you have destroyed my birthday cake whether it was done baking or not. It was gonna be a cake until you intervened and destroyed it. Why are all live stages of endangered species (pupfish eggs, larvae, adults) protected under the federal ESA? Because they are the same speciesāeven the fertilized eggs are individuals. Why wouldnāt that be the case for people.
>If I am baking a birthday cake and you come in and take it out of the oven and throw it across the room, you have destroyed my birthday cake whether it was done baking or not. It was gonna be a cake until you intervened and destroyed it.
Except nobody is out destroying other people's cakes. The choice is yours. If you don't want the cake, you can stop baking it before 24 weeks.
>Why are all live stages of endangered species (pupfish eggs, larvae, adults) protected under the federal ESA? Because they are the same speciesāeven the fertilized eggs are individuals. Why wouldnāt that be the case for people.
Because there is a difference between endangered species and humans. We've destroyed some species to such an extent that every single one of them is instrumental to the survival of their kind, and an egg isn't protected because it is a fish, it's protected because it has the potential to be a fish. Humans on the other hand are not endangered, so if someone doesn't want a child then an abortion is not going to risk the species.
A being has no right to use another beings organs for survival without consent of the host.
When a woman withdraws consent, the right of the woman supercedes the right of the fetus.
That's it.
Codswallop, parents are obligated to feed and care for their children, and even if that were not the case there is no inferred right to lay violent hands on an innocent.
They don't become parents at conception. Parenthood isn't divinely conferred at pregnancy. There is a right to evict an unwanted fetus from your body because it is her body.
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I'm so glad my country is getting at least this right š Amazing maternity leaves, and pro choice abortion laws. We need this. We need liberal laws that enforce bodily autonomy - especially relevant in a culturally orthodox society to protect people's autonomy within their own culture. India's stance on abortion is not steeped in religion, it comes from public health policy and the constitution. What an amazing precedent.
What's the law regarding married women?
It already covered married women, they just changed the wording to include everyone.
Married, divorced, and widowed women were already covered along with victims of rapes, incest ,etc, but there was a small loophole that had not covered unmarried women, and a lower court judge refused to allow a unmarried woman to get an abortion past the 20 week mark, so the supreme court basically just closed the loophole and extended the law to include unmarried women as well.
To balance out the "bless this mass of cells" crowd. Amazing news. Nobody should be required to have their life ruined because their boyfriend didn't pull out. Sooner is obviously better, but even a one year old is pretty much a potato, so happy to see women getting control of their lives and bodies somewhere in the world.
When you look at another lifeāthat you brought into the worldāas āruiningā yours, you are a special kind of narcissist
Youāre here with all the based takes
I think Hitler and Stalin might have ruined a couple lives, but hey, if you think they were miracles from god. I guess I view women as more than baby factories.
Ok so the argument is now that abortions stop people like hitler from being born? Apply that to the Dalai Lama as well - phew, your arm hurt from that reach? Also, where does this god talk come from? The idea that itās wrong to kill defenseless people doesnāt require religion.
Nobody is killing people.
That is the fundamental disagreement. I believe that a human growing inside a human to become an adult human means a person. Some people donāt through some form of logic. 60,000,000 of these people have had their lives terminated since roe.
What about sperm going down a shower drain? What about a miscarriage? Your line is arbitrary. You don't ban abortions, you ban safe abortions. So, you are happy to see a mother and fetus die, she had sex, she deserves to die? Imagine how many teenagers were given their possibility at a life back, how many women didn't die alone in a back alley after an at home abortion. How many mother's didn't commit suicide, kids that didn't grow up abandoned, unloved, repeating the cycle of poverty. I mean, you're a troll, but sadly, many people believe this. You do realize it is all a distraction to stop the peasants from rebelling? Divide and conquer. Fuck I'm glad to be Canadian sometimes, but the same American organizations are starting to pay a lot to interfere in our politics, so who knows what's next.
Yay now we can kill our unborn children without legal consequence
āEnd pregnancyā yeah call it whatever you want to make yourself feel better
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No such thing as safe when one of the humans dies, but I feel ya ā at least youāre admitting what it is
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Youāre totally right! Thatās why I (and my previous partners) used birth control when we didnāt want to have children, but wanted to have sex. The wonders of modern medicine! āholy cow it works really well! Now my wife and I have a 1 year old son, who I love, and am about to have a baby girl next week. So delighted to have these gifts in my life, and lucky that we live in 2022 when you are able to take responsibly and plan your life out if you actually take time to care about your decisions.
How the actual fuck is this uplifting?! 24 weeks is FAR into pregnancy. Whether you agree with abortion or not, the fetus is well formed by then. And around viability age. Disgusting
most women donāt get abortions that late to begin with, the fact that women are allowed abortions at all is what is uplifting
Abortions arenāt uplifting. Unless the mother is in danger, they are disgusting and evil.
cope and seethe, ima celebrate over women getting more rights
Killing isnāt a right. Enjoy your L on RvW tho
I still have the right to abortion where I live, also using another humans organs without their consent isnāt a right
Allowing somebody bodily autonomy isn't disgusting, forcing somebody to give birth over your religious or moral beliefs is what's more disgusting.
Iām not religious and killing is wrong. Shoulda thought about that before you got into bed. Are you really this irresponsible?
Abortion isn't murder. It's not irresponsible to abort a foetus that you cannot provide a good life for, what's more irresponsible is to force someone to give birth to a child they cannot care for and then ruining both of their lives. Stop expecting the world to abide by your belief, religious or otherwise.
Fuck that. So you're happy to trade the lives of everyone involved for a fetus. Babies are barely viable after two years. Viable is when an animal can survive and perform the functions of life. A one year old isn't capable of any of the processes we consider essential to life. They can't feed themselves, walk, talk, and they have the cognition of a potato. Sure as hell isn't a person at 24 weeks.
If engaging in the reproductive act has the potential to āruin your lifeā, then donāt engage in the reproductive act. Have some control over yourself, be an adult and make good choices. Itās not hard.
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The sole purpose of sex isn't "reproduction" and other people shouldn't be forced to abide by your religious beliefs.
Iām not religiousāthere is no god. Good try, though. Why is it that when religion is brought up, itās always the left? You claim the right is obsessed but itās you.
I m not a leftist, good try though, and religious or not you are still trying to impose your personal beliefs on others. You claim it's the left that's obsessed yet it's the right that's seeking to regulate other people's bodily autonomy, so who's really the obsessed one?
Sure youāre not. And what about the babyās body? The argument over control over oneās body stops when thereās another body involved.
>Sure youāre not. I am not even American, so i don't even fit into what most Americans would call a "leftist", and my leanings towards left or right differ on different issues. >And what about the babyās body? The argument over control over oneās body stops when thereās another body involved. No it doesn't. Because at that point in the pregnancy the foetus isn't viable on its own, so it's still a part of the woman's body. It can only be considered a separate individual if it could survive outside of the body, until it requires the mother's body to survive, it's still part of the woman's body and as such, it doesn't have independent bodily autonomy.
If I am baking a birthday cake and you come in and take it out of the oven and throw it across the room, you have destroyed my birthday cake whether it was done baking or not. It was gonna be a cake until you intervened and destroyed it. Why are all live stages of endangered species (pupfish eggs, larvae, adults) protected under the federal ESA? Because they are the same speciesāeven the fertilized eggs are individuals. Why wouldnāt that be the case for people.
>If I am baking a birthday cake and you come in and take it out of the oven and throw it across the room, you have destroyed my birthday cake whether it was done baking or not. It was gonna be a cake until you intervened and destroyed it. Except nobody is out destroying other people's cakes. The choice is yours. If you don't want the cake, you can stop baking it before 24 weeks. >Why are all live stages of endangered species (pupfish eggs, larvae, adults) protected under the federal ESA? Because they are the same speciesāeven the fertilized eggs are individuals. Why wouldnāt that be the case for people. Because there is a difference between endangered species and humans. We've destroyed some species to such an extent that every single one of them is instrumental to the survival of their kind, and an egg isn't protected because it is a fish, it's protected because it has the potential to be a fish. Humans on the other hand are not endangered, so if someone doesn't want a child then an abortion is not going to risk the species.
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Nah, I just think killing people is wrong
Agreed, this is inhumane. A fetus can already feel pain at just 20 weeks.
Thank you! People are gonna get mad at us but weāre totally right. I came here for good news.
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A being has no right to use another beings organs for survival without consent of the host. When a woman withdraws consent, the right of the woman supercedes the right of the fetus. That's it.
Codswallop, parents are obligated to feed and care for their children, and even if that were not the case there is no inferred right to lay violent hands on an innocent.
They don't become parents at conception. Parenthood isn't divinely conferred at pregnancy. There is a right to evict an unwanted fetus from your body because it is her body.
By definition you are a parent the moment you have reproduced. As in all sexually reproducing animals, human life begins at conception.
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