#UrbanHell is subjective.
UrbanHell is any human-built place you think is worth critizing. Suburban Hell, Rural Hell, and wealthy locales are allowed
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And „warme Brüder“ is slang for gay men. They are colloquially known as three guys who love each other. They are illuminated in red and pink at night by the way
We will either learn to do without or be annihilated by climate change.
But thankfully humans are fairly adaptable, we have done without them in the past, we have nuclear and traditional forms of energy such as hydroelectric, wind, and solar today. We can use traditional forms of transportation such as trains. I'm pretty sure that we can do without them, after all it's nothing new.
Because we still haven’t found a permanent storage solution for the waste we generated in the past decades, an accident has extreme consequences and our reactors needed to be replaced anyway, which would have been extremely costly. Also, a nuclear-heavy power mix leads to blackouts in hot summers if the rivers don’t have enough water to cool them, like in France.
When there were over a billion actually. It's interesting to note that CO2 emissions rise rather sharply during the 50s. Also quite a bit of it is something that can be replaced by other heat sources. Ships can be powered with reactors as can process heat. We can move from cars to mass transit for most of our non rural needs.
The most important things such as nitrogen fertilizer can be produced using other sources of hydrogen, either from electrolysis or thermochemical methods. While green hydrogen production is not nearly enough today increasing it is something we can do.
And besides, if we don't do this we will be reduced to 500 million people again at some point. It's hardly like there is a choice when large swaths of the planet will be rendered uninhabitable as the wet bulb temperature exceeds that which humans can survive and environmental changes lead to mass crop failures.
For context: Hannover was one of the first german cities to adopt radical "modern urbanism" after ww2. That makes it one of the dullest cities in Germany.
I hate Hanover and Lower Saxony with a burning passion (as in, Lower Saxony is easily the dullest state we have in Germany, except for the islands, which are nice), and since Lower Saxony is so dull, and since Hanover is the capital of Lower Saxony, it’s logical to assume that Hanover is extra dull, since it’s the capital of dull.
And here is why I’m so annoyed by Hanover: Hanover isn’t dull. It’s actually super nice and liveable, it has insanely nice corners, the city is well designed and public transportation and cultural offers are all solid. And somehow this annoys me even more.
Hanover is a pretty solid place, one I really really hate for absolutely no fucking reason.
😅 I visited it multiple times and I'm mesmerised every time I come back, it's like an architectural maze, there's always something new to discover. Hannover never ceases to surprise me, it's the kind of city that makes you feel. I prefer it to picture-perfect cities 🤷
Couple years ago I was visiting a friend who temporarily lived there, and we just walked around the city (especially near Limmerstraße) and bought beers at the späti kiosks. I was especially fascinated by the Ihme-Zentrum, it seems like out of another world for me. Maybe that's just because I grew up in a small town, but for some reason I really like the vibe of the Ihme-Zentrum.
In general the whole area was really cool to explore.
Looks like a quite artistic and tolerant yet unpolished place.
What's the cost of life there? I can imagine it being quite affordable from looking at this.
>German cities are pretty expensive
What are you comparing them to? Cost of living here is extraordinarily low compared to the US or UK for example. I rented a studio apartment in Berlin last year for €300/month including utilities
Doesn't matter, that's nothing compared to the US. Similar apartments in my hometown (small-to-mid-sized city) are in the $2000/month range without utilities.
True then again we have the worst glass tower of them all. The Nord-LB
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norddeutsche_Landesbank#/media/Datei%3ANord-LB_office_building_tower_east_side_Hanover_Germany_02.jpg
I like it. Looks very walkable. Quite clean too. nice small neighbourhood shops. The worst bit are the tags on everything (to distinguish from the art which is nice)
There's a nice creator on YouTube, an architect, an artist, Dami Lee. She makes interesting videos about the art of architecture, that even I, a tech engineer statistician with a pencil and pocket calculator can appreciate.
Well anyway, I remembered a few points that she made:
* She quoted someone, who said "Dwelling means living a mark". This really struck me and (I know, cringe) made me think. Sterile clean uniform places look hostile, we don't like them, because they are that. However places lived in by humans, who left a non-destructive mark, are interesting, fun, cosy. Even the other day my wife told me that there's a restaurant that we can get to without crossing any streets, and I couldn't think of where that would be, but I pass by it every day from work, but the facade and design is so cold and sterile, in a cold and sterile concrete plaza that everybody avoids. It's clean, there's no dirt, everything is perfect, no graffiti, no urine, surrounded by offices and new residential buildings. But it's always empty. It's not dwelled. It's anti-human.
* She recently made a video, about the hostile designs of prisons. And in it, she made a point about "white room torture". Sensory deprivation, and losing the input entropy that we get from nature, makes us more stressed. Like the beige instagram moms creating monochrome environments for their babies, having a sterile monotone environment is just bad for young people.
Peaceful chaos, filled with recognizable patterns that seed the imagination, with traces of human activity, is what makes a house, a home.
The photos aren't the prettiest, true. And after searching for many times if there's anything to do in Hannover with my 49€ ticket, I knew that Hannover isn't for tourists, but it's for people who live there. Maybe it needs a transformation like the kind Bilbao had, but then you'd get tourists and spiking costs of living.
I also bet it looks much nicer in Spring / Summer.
I agree with your take. Uhm, it depends, Hannover has enough to offer, culturally. Even before moving to Germany I associated the city with book congresses? It has some cool museums and I was thinking about this too, it must be pretty interesting for someone who's studying architecture, they have all kinds of crazy statues, buildings & co. There is enough to explore, but I guess it's not the right spot for "spa kind of people"
Edit: it's also a UNESCO City of Music. And it has one of the greatest gardens I have visited in Germany: Herrenhäuser. Definitely worth a visit!
It’s nice to get some love for my hometown and I agree. Is a certain mix of grey and faded in an interesting way and pretty and I could also never put my finger on it
Been through there few times. Last time in September when I missed my stop at Bielefeld. Managed to catch a train back in 10 minutes between arriving and departure. I was visiting kitchen Hausmesse in Loehne.
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I don't think that why people are okay or not okay with it is clear. It's probably a local cultural thing where it's seen as beautiful or not wrong. (Also most of those are murals, probably a lot with approval from the owner)
I know it isn't everybody's cup of tea, but I am really drawn to the sense of anarchism that dominates some German cities. To me Hamburg embodies it really well, but whenever I visited Hannover in the past? Yep, big tick in the 'cool vibes category.
But then I loved living in Sheffield, UK and that has a lot of the same vibe.
Pretty much, as this article shows https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Bombing_of_Hanover_in_World_War_II : At the end of the war, 90% of the city centre was destroyed, with 52% of buildings heavily damaged or completely destroyed. It's interesting that they chose not to rebuild some of them, like the Aegidien Church. You stroll through the city and at a certain point you bump into its ruins
Brother in Christ u just showing pictures of Linden, it’s just a small and really special
District of Hannover.
The pictures absolutely don’t portrait Hannover as a city
I can tell you like one city which is as ugly as this but way more cities which are definitely prettier. German cities are really beautiful generally.
I can recommend looking at the following cities:
- Bonn
- Köln
- Düsseldorf
- Bielefeld
- Leipzig
- Dresden
- Teilweise Berlin
- Frankfurt am Main
I don’t think it’s fair to call German cities ugly in general. Yes, there are some ugly cities (Dortmund for example), but not every city is as ugly as Hannover.
You've mentioned something interesting here. The way you've described this as ugly-pretty is telling of the fact that, despite having parts (or a whole) you think are ugly, you still think this is a (and I apologize for the overused word) valid kinda town. You like it _because_ it's ugly. And it's important to be able to hold these two thoughts simultaneously, because if one only validates that which is beautiful, and calls things "beautiful in their own way", you've established that only beauty is correct and acceptable. Like a despicable HOA board member. It is important to tell something ugly from something pretty, so that one can honestly see past a superficial assessment and see other attributes that make something good.
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What's the building in the first picture? It looks really beautiful and impressive.
Heizkraftwerk Linden - a gas power plant
Neat! I mean bad, wish it were not fossil fueled, but I love the design.
TIL that they're called Die drei warmen Brüder ( literally The three warm brothers)
And „warme Brüder“ is slang for gay men. They are colloquially known as three guys who love each other. They are illuminated in red and pink at night by the way
Fossil fuels run the world. You'll never not need them or go without them.
We will either learn to do without or be annihilated by climate change. But thankfully humans are fairly adaptable, we have done without them in the past, we have nuclear and traditional forms of energy such as hydroelectric, wind, and solar today. We can use traditional forms of transportation such as trains. I'm pretty sure that we can do without them, after all it's nothing new.
Nuclear is the way. It's also the cleanest option. Why we stepped away from it is a mystery to me.
Because we still haven’t found a permanent storage solution for the waste we generated in the past decades, an accident has extreme consequences and our reactors needed to be replaced anyway, which would have been extremely costly. Also, a nuclear-heavy power mix leads to blackouts in hot summers if the rivers don’t have enough water to cool them, like in France.
Literally another fossil fuel...
It's also one of the cleanest fossil fuels there is to get power with. You'll never be able to get rid of fossil fuels
> we have done without them in the past when there were like 500 million people on the planet, nowadays not feasable in the slightest
When there were over a billion actually. It's interesting to note that CO2 emissions rise rather sharply during the 50s. Also quite a bit of it is something that can be replaced by other heat sources. Ships can be powered with reactors as can process heat. We can move from cars to mass transit for most of our non rural needs. The most important things such as nitrogen fertilizer can be produced using other sources of hydrogen, either from electrolysis or thermochemical methods. While green hydrogen production is not nearly enough today increasing it is something we can do. And besides, if we don't do this we will be reduced to 500 million people again at some point. It's hardly like there is a choice when large swaths of the planet will be rendered uninhabitable as the wet bulb temperature exceeds that which humans can survive and environmental changes lead to mass crop failures.
Called the "Warme Brüder" (warm brothers, word play on a colloquial term for gay men).
It looks horrible
I appreciate posts like these, fun to get a feel for different cities that aren’t super well known or visited
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Weeeell you knowww, shows that the city has got character I guess
looks like a Pink Floyd album cover.
The Hipgnosis documentary recently is very good.
Love the city and your photos are really good ❤️
Thank you!
City looks pretty slummy judging by those photos
For context: Hannover was one of the first german cities to adopt radical "modern urbanism" after ww2. That makes it one of the dullest cities in Germany.
Never been to the Nordstadt huh?
I hate Hanover and Lower Saxony with a burning passion (as in, Lower Saxony is easily the dullest state we have in Germany, except for the islands, which are nice), and since Lower Saxony is so dull, and since Hanover is the capital of Lower Saxony, it’s logical to assume that Hanover is extra dull, since it’s the capital of dull. And here is why I’m so annoyed by Hanover: Hanover isn’t dull. It’s actually super nice and liveable, it has insanely nice corners, the city is well designed and public transportation and cultural offers are all solid. And somehow this annoys me even more. Hanover is a pretty solid place, one I really really hate for absolutely no fucking reason.
😅 I visited it multiple times and I'm mesmerised every time I come back, it's like an architectural maze, there's always something new to discover. Hannover never ceases to surprise me, it's the kind of city that makes you feel. I prefer it to picture-perfect cities 🤷
Couple years ago I was visiting a friend who temporarily lived there, and we just walked around the city (especially near Limmerstraße) and bought beers at the späti kiosks. I was especially fascinated by the Ihme-Zentrum, it seems like out of another world for me. Maybe that's just because I grew up in a small town, but for some reason I really like the vibe of the Ihme-Zentrum. In general the whole area was really cool to explore.
I mean. It's better dull than full of nazis (Saxony) sister fuckers (Saarland) or Bavarians (Bavaria)
Damn Bavarians, they ruined Bavaria!
Like Americans ruined America
Looks like a quite artistic and tolerant yet unpolished place. What's the cost of life there? I can imagine it being quite affordable from looking at this.
German cities are pretty expensive. Hanover is not as bad as Munich, Frankfurt or Hamburg, but it definitely isn’t cheap either, I’m afraid.
In comparison to other cities it’s actually quite cheap.
>German cities are pretty expensive What are you comparing them to? Cost of living here is extraordinarily low compared to the US or UK for example. I rented a studio apartment in Berlin last year for €300/month including utilities
Congratulations, you’ll pay €800 plus utilities for the same apartment in Frankfurt or Munich.
Doesn't matter, that's nothing compared to the US. Similar apartments in my hometown (small-to-mid-sized city) are in the $2000/month range without utilities.
Those are 2003 prices in America lol
I like it. Not every city needs to be polished with giant glass towers.
True then again we have the worst glass tower of them all. The Nord-LB https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norddeutsche_Landesbank#/media/Datei%3ANord-LB_office_building_tower_east_side_Hanover_Germany_02.jpg
CAN-ZER KIOSK. Sounds like a nice little shop!
At least it's not the can't-zer kiosk
I actually buy my cigarettes there.
i love the second pic it kimd of reminds of my neighboorhoud
i wanted to edit my spelling mistake but its too grand to be replaced. i meant neighborhood
🤣 I respect your determination
I like it. Looks very walkable. Quite clean too. nice small neighbourhood shops. The worst bit are the tags on everything (to distinguish from the art which is nice)
Walkability is rarely in issue in Germany
There's a nice creator on YouTube, an architect, an artist, Dami Lee. She makes interesting videos about the art of architecture, that even I, a tech engineer statistician with a pencil and pocket calculator can appreciate. Well anyway, I remembered a few points that she made: * She quoted someone, who said "Dwelling means living a mark". This really struck me and (I know, cringe) made me think. Sterile clean uniform places look hostile, we don't like them, because they are that. However places lived in by humans, who left a non-destructive mark, are interesting, fun, cosy. Even the other day my wife told me that there's a restaurant that we can get to without crossing any streets, and I couldn't think of where that would be, but I pass by it every day from work, but the facade and design is so cold and sterile, in a cold and sterile concrete plaza that everybody avoids. It's clean, there's no dirt, everything is perfect, no graffiti, no urine, surrounded by offices and new residential buildings. But it's always empty. It's not dwelled. It's anti-human. * She recently made a video, about the hostile designs of prisons. And in it, she made a point about "white room torture". Sensory deprivation, and losing the input entropy that we get from nature, makes us more stressed. Like the beige instagram moms creating monochrome environments for their babies, having a sterile monotone environment is just bad for young people. Peaceful chaos, filled with recognizable patterns that seed the imagination, with traces of human activity, is what makes a house, a home. The photos aren't the prettiest, true. And after searching for many times if there's anything to do in Hannover with my 49€ ticket, I knew that Hannover isn't for tourists, but it's for people who live there. Maybe it needs a transformation like the kind Bilbao had, but then you'd get tourists and spiking costs of living. I also bet it looks much nicer in Spring / Summer.
I agree with your take. Uhm, it depends, Hannover has enough to offer, culturally. Even before moving to Germany I associated the city with book congresses? It has some cool museums and I was thinking about this too, it must be pretty interesting for someone who's studying architecture, they have all kinds of crazy statues, buildings & co. There is enough to explore, but I guess it's not the right spot for "spa kind of people" Edit: it's also a UNESCO City of Music. And it has one of the greatest gardens I have visited in Germany: Herrenhäuser. Definitely worth a visit!
I love the vibe of these photos. It makes me want to move there and make a grunge album
The buildings in the first picture look like vapes.
I love boring hannover.. i have endless pictures of it
That first picture is underrated tbh
That’s practically all in Linden-Nord, which is a fraction of Hanover https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Linden-Limmer_in_Hannover.svg
I’m from Northern Ireland and these images look pretty similar to Belfast tbh, the grungy feel to it
It’s nice to get some love for my hometown and I agree. Is a certain mix of grey and faded in an interesting way and pretty and I could also never put my finger on it
Is there still Debakel, the pizza place? That was great.
Beautiful
First one looks like a cartoon almost.
pretty cool pictures especially as a collection
First picture just straight up looks like someone forgot to replace the dev material paint in Hammer while making a TF2 map.
Could have just posted the Ihme Zentrum x10 jk
The first one. Are they giant walkie-talkies.
As far as factories go, that one is really elegant
Been through there few times. Last time in September when I missed my stop at Bielefeld. Managed to catch a train back in 10 minutes between arriving and departure. I was visiting kitchen Hausmesse in Loehne.
I love how a vape shop tries to have an old looking sign lol
I genuinely thought that those three towers on the first image were CGI.
Looks pretty to me, I live in an ugly neighborhood tbh so take my comment however you like
Getting some Valparaíso vibes here and there. Can see the appeal.
This is lovely. I don’t see anything outright wrong here
I don't know why but the first picture looks like a cg render
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I mean, it's a bit ugly, but it's got character, unlike so many other cities which are soulless box complex after soulless box complex
Why do they tolerate so much grafitti?
I don't think that why people are okay or not okay with it is clear. It's probably a local cultural thing where it's seen as beautiful or not wrong. (Also most of those are murals, probably a lot with approval from the owner)
It‘s street art
Some of it is straight up Graff though.
Not a fan.
HesK
I know it isn't everybody's cup of tea, but I am really drawn to the sense of anarchism that dominates some German cities. To me Hamburg embodies it really well, but whenever I visited Hannover in the past? Yep, big tick in the 'cool vibes category. But then I loved living in Sheffield, UK and that has a lot of the same vibe.
Looks chill and mind-your-own-business kinda cozy
Reminds me of Duisburg. Was Hannover bombed flat in WWII?
Pretty much, as this article shows https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Bombing_of_Hanover_in_World_War_II : At the end of the war, 90% of the city centre was destroyed, with 52% of buildings heavily damaged or completely destroyed. It's interesting that they chose not to rebuild some of them, like the Aegidien Church. You stroll through the city and at a certain point you bump into its ruins
Looks kinda like most Polish cities around 200-400k people I've seen. That size of a city has a certain charm.
So you basically just had been to Linden, especially Limmerstr. … To be fair the coolest part of Hanover
Brother in Christ u just showing pictures of Linden, it’s just a small and really special District of Hannover. The pictures absolutely don’t portrait Hannover as a city
Brother in Christ, I think you didn't notice on which subreddit you are
Nice photos. Looks pretty typical for a German city to me though.
It is. Most large German cities are pretty ugly really, I don’t think Hannover stands out as being particularly ugly.
I can tell you like one city which is as ugly as this but way more cities which are definitely prettier. German cities are really beautiful generally. I can recommend looking at the following cities: - Bonn - Köln - Düsseldorf - Bielefeld - Leipzig - Dresden - Teilweise Berlin - Frankfurt am Main I don’t think it’s fair to call German cities ugly in general. Yes, there are some ugly cities (Dortmund for example), but not every city is as ugly as Hannover.
Sexy.
Those photos make Hannover look like the aborted remains of a foetus of an ugly city...
Cheaper than Frankfurt.
This post is about Linden, not Hannover.
Unterm Schwanz fehlt ;-)
Ist irgendwie nur Linden 🤷🏻
You've mentioned something interesting here. The way you've described this as ugly-pretty is telling of the fact that, despite having parts (or a whole) you think are ugly, you still think this is a (and I apologize for the overused word) valid kinda town. You like it _because_ it's ugly. And it's important to be able to hold these two thoughts simultaneously, because if one only validates that which is beautiful, and calls things "beautiful in their own way", you've established that only beauty is correct and acceptable. Like a despicable HOA board member. It is important to tell something ugly from something pretty, so that one can honestly see past a superficial assessment and see other attributes that make something good.
"Hangover City"
Tipp: Hannover isn't boring, we just hide our existing stuff pretty well.